Classify and Place Venezuelan ex-President, Military and Politician Isaias Medina Angarita

[alnortedelsur]

He was from San Cristobal, Tachira state, in the Venezuelan Andes. He was president of Venezuela since 1941 until 1945.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsZZflmXYAAC1rn.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LELpWl99ngw/Vj-0t31GwXI/AAAAAAAAEtI/SszUK6smuPE/s1600/Billiken%2B1940%2B%252831%2529.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C-bwkGcskTQ/U7kxAF1dohI/AAAAAAAAAvg/D2FJktCbxGQ/s1600/156933_346777392087867_1942054076_n.jpg

http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/sites/default/files//styles/618x468/public/field/image/DEDIw-vXcAYV9YJ.jpg?itok=Q_jha1-G

Please classify him and where do you think he could pass, including Europe, Asia, Australia, NZ, North and South America?

Thanks in advance

[Knight Slayer]

Alpine + American-Indian passes in South America and North America.

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine + American-Indian passes in South America and North America.

Do you think he could has passing in Canada as Canadian Metis?

[Ruggery]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C-bwkGcskTQ/U7kxAF1dohI/AAAAAAAAAvg/D2FJktCbxGQ/s1600/156933_346777392087867_1942054076_n.jpg

Mussolini?

[Latinus]

Alpine + Dinarid.
Yes, he does resemble Mussolini.

[alnortedelsur]

Mussolini?

You're right. He resembled to him a lot, lol :lol:

Do you think him (Angarita) could have passed as Argentinian?

[Latinus]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81KZmXVB3VL._SY606_.jpg
http://archivo.entornointeligente.com/images-noticias/2017/09/gonzalo-morales-divo-Hoy-se-cumplen-64-a-os-del-fallecimiento-de-Isa-as-Medina-Angarita.jpg

Himmler vibe in the last pic.

[alnortedelsur]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81KZmXVB3VL._SY606_.jpg
http://archivo.entornointeligente.com/images-noticias/2017/09/gonzalo-morales-divo-Hoy-se-cumplen-64-a-os-del-fallecimiento-de-Isa-as-Medina-Angarita.jpg

Himmler vibe in the last pic.

But the guy in the second picture is Marcos Perez Jimenez, another Venezuelan president who ruled Venezuela between 1953-1958 (he was also from Tachira state).

[Latinus]

But the guy in the second picture is Marcos Perez Jimenez, another Venezuelan president who ruled Venezuela between 1953-1958 (he was also from Tachira state).

Picard to me:
https://media.tumblr.com/4f525e6d552406652dedf5b1a439c4c3/tumblr_inline_mruhpugord1qz4rgp.gif

[alnortedelsur]

Picard to me:
https://media.tumblr.com/4f525e6d552406652dedf5b1a439c4c3/tumblr_inline_mruhpugord1qz4rgp.gif

Is OK, you're human xD

[Tooting Carmen]

Alpine-Med with maybe a little Amerindian. Passes throughout Latin America.

[Ruggery]

You're right. He resembled to him a lot, lol :lol:

Do you think him (Angarita) could have passed as Argentinian?

Yes

[Latinus]

He looks Euro to me, but many of the pics are black & white.
http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/sites/default/files//styles/618x468/public/field/image/DEDIw-vXcAYV9YJ.jpg?itok=Q_jha1-G

[alnortedelsur]

He looks Euro to me, but many of the pics are black & white.
http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/sites/default/files//styles/618x468/public/field/image/DEDIw-vXcAYV9YJ.jpg?itok=Q_jha1-G

Venezuela was a more serious and decent country in the past, until the overthrown of Marcos Perez Jimenez. Most Venezuelan presidents until then were full or nearly full European.

[Tooting Carmen]

Venezuela was a more serious and decent country in the past, until the overthrown of Marcos Perez Jimenez. Most Venezuelan presidents until then were full or nearly full European.

IMO the second sentence is a moot point, but the first sentence is certainly debatable. Before Romulo Betancourt, I am not even sure one democratically-elected leader in Venezuela survived without being overthrown by a military coup.

[alnortedelsur]

IMO the second sentence is a moot point, but the first sentence is certainly debatable. Before Romulo Betancourt, I am not even sure one democratically-elected leader in Venezuela survived without being overthrown by a military coup.

But the Venezuelan politic class, most of them Tachirenses, were more patriotic and more aware of what was good for the development of Venezuela. Among other things, the common denominator in most of those governments is that they were interested to promote European immigration, and in creating good infrastructure.

The current shitty Venezuelan political class (and I don't only talk about Chavism/Madurism, but also about the democratic governments that came after Perez Jimenez and before Chavism) is only interested to become rich through corruption, and keep the population happy with nasty populism.

[Tooting Carmen]

But the Venezuelan politic class, most of them Tachirenses, were more patriotic and more aware of what was good for the development of Venezuela. Among other things, the common denominator in most of those governments is that they were interested to promote European immigration.

Don't kid yourself that if Venezuela were much whiter it would necessarily be a developed country. At best, it would be more like Argentina or Southern Brazil, not like Canada or Australia, and the first two places still suffer from largely the same problems of endemic corruption and mismanagement that the rest of the region does.

[alnortedelsur]

Don't kid yourself that if Venezuela were much whiter it would necessarily be a developed country. At best, it would be more like Argentina or Southern Brazil, not like Canada or Australia, and the first two places still suffer from largely the same problems of endemic corruption and mismanagement that the rest of the region does.

I have never said that it would be like Canada or Australia. Stop putting words on my mouth that i have never said.

If it was at least like Argentina, Southern Brazil or Chile that would be a great achievement, and I would be happy with that at least.

Edit: also, I edited my response after you answered.

[Tooting Carmen]

I had never said that it would be like Canada or Australia. Stop putting words on my mouth that i have never said.

If it was at least like Argentina, Southern Brazil or Chile that would be a great achievement, and I would be happy with that at least.

Edit: also, I edited my response after you answered.

But before the Chavez-Maduro era, Venezuela was as rich if not richer than Chile, Argentina and Southern Brazil anyway. The main long-term problem that well precedes the last two presidents is the lack of economic diversification beyond the oil industry. Also, Argentina and Brazil (North or South) have certainly been just as prone to "nasty populism" - in Argentina's case possibly more so even - as anywhere in the continent has been.

[alnortedelsur]

But before the Chavez-Maduro era, Venezuela was as rich if not richer than Chile, Argentina and Southern Brazil anyway. The main long-term problem that well precedes the last two presidents is the lack of economic diversification beyond the oil industry. Also, Argentina and Brazil (North or South) have certainly been just as prone to "nasty populism" - in Argentina's case possibly more so even - as anywhere in the continent has been.

Needless to say that the time since the overthrown of Marcos Perez Jimenez (in 1958) until the late 1980s was only about three decades, and the deterioration of Venezuela, after those three decades of populist and corrupt democracy, only started to become evident at that point (late 80s-early 90s). Since the times of the government of Juan Vicente Gomez (where the first petroleum deposits started to be exploited) until the government of Marcos Perez Jimenez, very likely Venezuela was going in the right direction of diversifying its economy, but the corrupt banana-like democracy that came after Perez Jimenez ruined it all.

[Tooting Carmen]

Needless to say that the time since the overthrown of Marcos Perez Jimenez (in 1958) until the late 1980s was only about three decades, and the deterioration of Venezuela, after those three decades of populist and corrupt democracy, only started to become evident at that point (late 80s-early 90s). Since the times of the government of Juan Vicente Gomez (where the first petroleum deposits started to be exploited) until the government of Marcos Perez Jimenez, very likely Venezuela was going in the right direction of diversifying its economy, but the corrupt banana-like democracy that came after Perez Jimenez ruined it all.

I agree that certain presidents such as Carlos Andres Perez and Jaime Lusinci were utter shits, but I thought Rafael Caldera for example was OK?

[alnortedelsur]

I agree that certain presidents such as Carlos Andres Perez and Jaime Lusinci were utter shits, but I thought Rafael Caldera for example was OK?

But he only governed 5 years (1969-1973). A very short period of time to have changed the outcome of decades of corrupt/populist governments, most of them from Accion Democratica.

[Tooting Carmen]

But he only governed 5 years (1969-1973). A very short period of time to have changed the outcome of decades of corrupt/populist governments, most of them from Accion Democratica.

Didn't he also take over in 1993 after CAP resigned due to a severe corruption scandal, basically in order to "steady the ship"? The funny thing is that, before Chavez-Maduro, Venezuela was seen as the darling of Latin America by many Westerners for maintaining its democracy while most other Latin American countries had either one-party governments (Cuba, Mexico and DR) or military governments (most of the others). All the same, much like Colombia's National Front, puntofijismo led to a very limited democracy where really only two parties had the slightest chance of winning elections.

[Zroota]

Alpine + Taurid I think

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine + Taurid I think

Do you think he could have passed as Assyrian?

[alnortedelsur]

Didn't he also take over in 1993 after CAP resigned due to a severe corruption scandal, basically in order to "steady the ship"? The funny thing is that, before Chavez-Maduro, Venezuela was seen as the darling of Latin America by many Westerners for maintaining its democracy while most other Latin American countries had either one-party governments (Cuba, Mexico and DR) or military governments (most of the others). All the same, much like Colombia's National Front, puntofijismo led to a very limited democracy where really only two parties had the slightest chance of winning elections.

That good fame of Venezuela was a false utopia. As I showed you in the thread about Marcos Perez Jimenez, there were many violation of human rights, including thousands of missing people during this false democracy (particularly more under the governments of Romulo Betancourt and Raul Leoni. and then during the events of "El Caracazo, under the second government of Carlos Andres Perez).

Regarding Rafael Caldera, his second government that you mention could not change the deterioration that Venezuela was already dragging during years of corrupt democracy.

[Tooting Carmen]

That good fame of Venezuela was a false utopia. As I showed you in the thread about Marcos Perez Jimenez, there were many violation of human rights, including thousands of missing people during this false democracy (particularly more under the governments of Romulo Betancourt and Raul Leoni. and then during the events of "El Caracazo, under the second government of Carlos Andres Perez).

Regarding Rafael Caldera, his second government that you mention could not change the deterioration that Venezuela was already dragging during years of corrupt democracy.

One of the things I remember from watching the 2008 film Che was the Cuban ambassador to the UN (obviously with more than a whiff of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy) publicly accusing the Venezuelan secret police of murdering dissident students. The Venezuelan ambassador in turn stood up and made an impassioned speech about how "la democracia es el patrimonio del pueblo venezolano" etc. etc.

[alnortedelsur]

As an interesting note, Isaias Medina Angarita was the Venezuelan citizen number 1.

He is the Venezuelan who got the first Venezuelan ID card (Cedula de Identidad) with the number 0001

[alnortedelsur]

One of the things I remember from watching the 2008 film Che was the Cuban ambassador to the UN (obviously with more than a whiff of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy) publicly accusing the Venezuelan secret police of murdering dissident students. The Venezuelan ambassador in turn stood up and made an impassioned speech about how "la democracia es el patrimonio del pueblo venezolano" etc. etc.

Without going too far, if you check the Wikipedia page of the Operation Condor (a cooperation plan of the south American dictatorships of Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay and Bolivia to exterminate leftist political dissidents), this is what you see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru appear in light green, as countries that also helped to some extent, even if in a more indirect way.

[Zroota]

Do you think he could have passed as Assyrian?
Perhaps atypically, because his head shape seems foreign for an Assyrian. But maybe he could pass as a Turk or Azeri.

[Papastratosels26]

Alpine

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine

Do you think he could has passed as Greek?

[alnortedelsur]

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[alnortedelsur]

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[alnortedelsur]

A video about him:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK8UBs3_sA8

[alnortedelsur]

An interesting point is that Medina Angarita was very likely full or mostly Spanish descent and yet he was Alpine + Dinarid, two phenotypes that are underestimated among ethnic Spaniards.

[Kamal900]

Kinda resembles me:
https://image.ibb.co/bygF1k/20170825-112359.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/buqm7Q/20170825-112413.jpg

Though, I have thicker eyebrows than him, rofl. Mostly Alpine.

[alnortedelsur]

Kinda resembles me:


Though, I have thicker eyebrows than him, rofl. Mostly Alpine.

Yeah, I see some resemblance.

[alnortedelsur]

He was part of a succession of military regimes (he was a military himself), but in his case in particular, he tried during his government to lay the groundwork for the democratization of Venezuela. Indeed, during his regimen there were many freedoms.

[alnortedelsur]

Many of the Venezuelan presidents (all of them military leaders) prior to the Venezuelan democracy were Tachirenses (natives from Tachira state). In the order they ruled:

Cipriano Castro (1899-1908)
Juan Vicente Gomez (1908-1935)
Eleazar Lopez contreras (1935-1941)
Isaias Medina Angarita (1941-1945)
Marcos Perez Jimenez (1953-1958)

In the Democratic period, only Carlos Andres Perez (1974-1979 and 1989-1992) was also from Tachira state.

[Odin]

Alpine-Med. Pass in Southern Europe.

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine-Med. Pass in Southern Europe.

Do you think he could have passed as white Murican?

[Latinus]

The question was not directed to me, he pass as white American, but not as a typical one: Anglo/Celtic/British/Germanic.

[Odin]

Do you think he could have passed as white Murican?

Yea in the Northeast. He looks Italian.