Classify Redhead Roman Emperor Vitelius

[Joso]

http://www.romanemperors.com/08-emperor-vitellius-color-1.jpg
http://pictify.saatchigallery.com/files/works/peter-paul-rubens-roman-emperor-vitellius-1359626932_b.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRmbgmQWsAUF92I.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Pseudo-Vitellius_Louvre_MR684.jpg/220px-Pseudo-Vitellius_Louvre_MR684.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/28/61991759_1755c12190_b.jpg

[TheWolf97]

Alpine

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[Joso]

Emperor: Vitellius
Reign: AD 69
Hair Colour: "redheaded" (πυρράκης)
Source: Malalas, X, 259; cf. Sieglin (1935) 110
Eye Colour : " grey-eyed" (γλαυκός)
Source: Malalas, X, 259

[Knight Slayer]

Alpine according to the bust.

[Joso]

Alpine+brunn, i think.

[Tellerin]

http://remember.snimka.bg/other/fa.5146945.38914493

Central Europe - elements and influences I think - Faelid ,Borreby , Atlantid, Alpin ,Keltic[Alpin+Armenoid and Dinarid elements]

this tipe when a young, not so robust looking
Johannes Brahms
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914493.jpg
Johannes Brahms
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914505.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914508.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914510.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914538.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914512.jpg
my Grandfather
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914514.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914517.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914519.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914518.jpg

[Ryuk]

Alpine+fat

[Joso]

http://remember.snimka.bg/other/fa.5146945.38914493

Central Europe - elements and influences I think - Faelid ,Borreby , Atlantid, Alpin ,Keltic[Alpin+Armenoid and Dinarid elements]

this tipe when a young, not so robust looking
Johannes Brahms
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914493.jpg
Johannes Brahms
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914505.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914508.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914510.jpg?r=0
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914538.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914512.jpg
my Grandfather
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914514.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914517.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914519.jpg
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/6335/038914518.jpg

Thanks

[Token]

Bigonial not large enough to be Alpine. The face is only broad because of accumulated fat in the soft parts, the zygomatas are visibly flattened. Correct classification: obese Gracile Med.

[Suinthila]

It's a painting and a bust of stone

[Joso]

Bigonial not large enough to be Alpine. The face is only broad because of accumulated fat in the soft parts, the zygomatas are visibly flattened. Correct classification: obese Gracile Med.

But he was redhead and he maybe he was malnourished, this why he look more gracile, the long face also may be because of mouth breathening

[Token]

But he was redhead and he maybe he was malnourished, this why he look more gracile, the long face also may be because of mouth breathening

LOLLL. Vitelius was born into a noble family, of course he wasn't malnoursished. I doubt he was an actual ginger, he probably had brown hair, Romans were so wog that even brown hair would be considered subflavum in their society. You are being really pushy here, 'mouth breathing' :laugh:

[Smeagol]

Too fat to classify. Vitelius spent all his time as Emperor eating.

[Cumansky]

Ya right, Roman empire so great

Get this fatboy gym membership

[barkoo]

Not really Alpine imo, this is not because your fat your brachy. He looks somewhat Meso/Doli. I would go with Atlanto-Med + Alpine.

[JMack]

LOLLL. Vitelius was born into a noble family, of course he wasn't malnoursished. I doubt he was an actual ginger, he probably had brown hair, Romans were so wog that even brown hair would be considered subflavum in their society. You are being really pushy here, 'mouth breathing' :laugh:

hahahaha, yeah. Also, the Greek term glaukós which the nordicist Sieglin translated from Malalas as ''grey-eyed'' actually means 'hazel'. I'm pretty sure I could find the same biases or mistakes of translation (I studied ancient Greek) by Sieglin in all emperors listed in this TA list of Roman Emperors pigmentation.

[Token]

hahahaha, yeah. Also, the Greek term glaukós which the nordicist Sieglin translated from Malalas as ''grey-eyed'' actually means 'hazel'. I'm pretty sure I could find the same biases or mistakes of translation (I studied ancient Greek) by Sieglin in all emperors listed in this TA list of Roman Emperors pigmentation.

Thanks God we now have genetics to beat the shit out of the we wuz crowd. The Nordicists are still in a state of denial after the Ancient Roman genomes report, who would imagine that a Sicilian-like people would be the ultimate progenitors of the almighty Western civilization :laugh:

[JMack]

Thanks God we now have genetics to beat the shit out of the we wuz crowd. The Nordicists are still in a state of denial after the Ancient Roman genomes report, who would imagine that a Sicilian-like people would be the ultimate progenitors of the almighty Western civilization :laugh:

Most of the ''Alpine'' Romans probably looked like this guy:

http://www.monobrow.com/monobro/images/bro-43.jpg

haha

[Papastratosels26]

Alpine

[Smeagol]

Thanks God we now have genetics to beat the shit out of the we wuz crowd. The Nordicists are still in a state of denial after the Ancient Roman genomes report, who would imagine that a Sicilian-like people would be the ultimate progenitors of the almighty Western civilization :laugh:

But the report actually said that most Romans up until the Empire clustered with North Italians. I understand there weren't many samples but that can't just be ignored. It seems likely a North Italian-like people were the founders of Roman civilization.

[Token]

But the report actually said that most Romans up until the Empire clustered with North Italians. I understand there weren't many samples but that can't just be ignored. It seems likely a North Italian-like people were the founders of Roman civilization.

It said that 60% out of 5 samples (hardly sufficient to conclude that most Romans of this period were like North Italians) spanning from 700 to 70BC cluster with North Italians, while the other almost one hundred samples from later periods densely clustered with S. Italians/Sicilians and Aegean Greeks. These North Italian-like samples are in all likelihood the earliest Latins, and the 'South Italians' cohexisting with them in the earliest periods might actually be Greeks. The mixing between them produced the expansive Romans.

[Joso]

Thanks God we now have genetics to beat the shit out of the we wuz crowd. The Nordicists are still in a state of denial after the Ancient Roman genomes report, who would imagine that a Sicilian-like people would be the ultimate progenitors of the almighty Western civilization :laugh:

He is an outlier then. Most of Roman elite didn't looked like him.

[Joso]

LOLLL. Vitelius was born into a noble family, of course he wasn't malnoursished. I doubt he was an actual ginger, he probably had brown hair, Romans were so wog that even brown hair would be considered subflavum in their society. You are being really pushy here, 'mouth breathing' :laugh:

"He was the son of Lucius Vitellius and his wife Sextilia, as well as the brother of Lucius Vitellius. Suetonius wrote two accounts of the origins of the Vitelii, in a statement that descended from the ancient rulers of Lazio, while in the other he maintained that his origins were much more humble."

[Smeagol]

It said that 60% out of 5 samples (hardly sufficient to conclude that most Romans of this period were like North Italians) spanning from 700 to 70BC cluster with North Italians, while the other almost one hundred samples from later periods densely clustered with S. Italians/Sicilians and Aegean Greeks. These North Italian-like samples are in all likelihood the earliest Latins, and the 'South Italians' cohexisting with them in the earliest periods might actually be Greeks. The mixing between them produced the expansive Romans.

I think it was 8 samples and 5 of them clustered with North Italians wasn't it?. Regardless, we need more Republican samples to get the full story.

[Smeagol]

"He was the son of Lucius Vitellius and his wife Sextilia, as well as the brother of Lucius Vitellius. Suetonius wrote two accounts of the origins of the Vitelii, in a statement that descended from the ancient rulers of Lazio, while in the other he maintained that his origins were much more humble."


He was clearly not malnourished because he spent all his time at feasts according to Suetonius.

[Joso]

Most of the ''Alpine'' Romans probably looked like this guy:

http://www.monobrow.com/monobro/images/bro-43.jpg

haha

No. (I disagree with the part that the OP saids that they were not dinarid influenced) but they certainly looked more like this: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257247-The-ancient-Romans-were-not-Dinaric