Biella (Piedmont) City Councillors: spot main phenotypes

[Marco94]

Spot main phenotypes among these ethnic North Italian city councillors. I excluded the ones with Southern Italian, Sardinian and North African surnames (they were a minority anyways). Do they look collectivily closer to French, Iberians, Swiss?

Fabrizio Merlo, President of the City Council:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Fabrizio%20Merlo.JPG

Manfrinato, Anna:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Anna%20Manfrinato.jpg

Marton, Gianluca:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Gianluca%20Marton.jpg

Galuppi, Paolo:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Paolo%20Galuppi.jpg

Iacobelli, Cinzia:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Cinzia%20Iacobelli.jpg

Bresciani, Riccardo:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Riccardo%20Bresciani_0.jpg

Menegon, Francesca:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Francesca%20Memegon.jpg

Rosso, Simone:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Simone%20Rosso.jpg

Furia, Paolo:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Paolo%20Furia.jpg

Ramella Gal, Antonio:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Antonio%20Ramella%20Gal.jpg

Zuccolo, Alessandro:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Alessandro%20Zuccolo.jpg

Rasolo, Giuseppe:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Giuseppe%20Rasolo.jpg

Regis, Filippo:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Filippo%20Regis.jpg

[savvas]

Donato Gentile is southern Italian (his family is from Trani, Apulia):

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Donato%20Gentile.jpg

Source: https://www.tranilive.it/news/cronaca/195702/trani-e-biella-gemellaggio-nel-segno-della-tranesita

[Marco94]

Donato Gentile is southern Italian (his family is from Trani, Apulia):

Source: https://www.tranilive.it/news/cronaca/195702/trani-e-biella-gemellaggio-nel-segno-della-tranesita

Oh, I know a few Gentile in my area and I assumed it was Piedmontes or Northern Italian, sinxe they are the vast majority here. My bad (I should’ve searched it as I did with other surnames that are not familiar to me).

EDIT: I excluded him.

[savvas]

Iacobelli is definitely not a native Piedmontese surname (it's originally from Lazio, Campania and Salento)

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Cinzia%20Iacobelli.jpg

[Rouxinol]

In my opinion, on average, they look closer to central and southern Italians, then to Swiss Italians. The French and Iberians are the ones they resemble the least (unless you only consider Corsica and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur). Of course there's some degree of overlapping among all those ethnic groups though.

[savvas]

Paolo Furia has relatives living in Sicily and Frosinone, Lazio (checked his FB profile), and Furia is not a native Piedmontese surname:

http://www.comune.biella.it/web/sites/default/files/schede-personali/Paolo%20Furia.jpg

[Vid Flumina]

Surnames cant be a reliable way for tracking ancestry in the NW anymore I'm afraid, especially in main cities. It's been almost a century of constant flow from the outside now.

I for one have Piedmontese name, but less than half of my ancestry is from here.

[Streuner]

In my opinion, on average, they look closer to central and southern Italians, then to Swiss Italians. The French and Iberians are the ones they resemble the least (unless you only consider Corsica and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur). Of course there's some degree of overlapping among all those ethnic groups though.

Mariolinepint/savvas doesn’t want to accept that North Italians are Italians after all lol. She just wants to be associated with French, Austrians and Germans. But not with other Italians. She’s basically a nordicist.
I find this attitude funny and also racist towards her own countrymen lol

[Vid Flumina]

Also Menegon, Marton and likely Zuccolo are not Piemontese names, most of the people here are non-native/mixed :D

Knowing a little bit about the region and its history as well as being familiar with its native population will certainly improve these threads

[savvas]

In my opinion, on average, they look closer to central and southern Italians, then to Swiss Italians. The French and Iberians are the ones they resemble the least (unless you only consider Corsica and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur). Of course there's some degree of overlapping among all those ethnic groups though.

Genetically they are closer to French than to southern Italians.

[Marco94]

Paolo Furia has relatives living in Sicily and Frosinone, Lazio (checked his FB profile), and Furia is not a native Piedmontese surname:

Furia is ambiguous, and is very prevalent in Lombardia, so I decided to include him. I clarified on the OP that I included ethnic Northern Italians, not only Piedmontese. That's why I included some who were from Veneto. I won't do a further research for every person I post because it makes no sense and is impossible to fully know, so I just apply some superficial or "prima facie" filters. My intention is just to get them passed or classified collectively :thumb001:


Surnames cant be a reliable way for tracking ancestry in the NW anymore I'm afraid, especially in main cities. It's been almost a century of constant flow from the outside now.

I for one have Piedmontese name, but less than half of my ancestry is from here.

Agreed. We can't start applying the one drop rule now, I just wanted to post some phenotypes and get them classified or passed as a whole.

I know my case doesn't count, but I have a Russian surname when I'm actually mainly Piedmontese (almost half) and little Russian. Surnames do not reflect the whole ancestry, and it should be noted.

[Marco94]

In my opinion, on average, they look closer to central and southern Italians, then to Swiss Italians. The French and Iberians are the ones they resemble the least (unless you only consider Corsica and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur). Of course there's some degree of overlapping among all those ethnic groups though.

Of course they overlap with Central Italians... the ones I posted are still Italians from the Padan plain, and not from isolated towns in the middle of the Alps. The point is where they can pass best outside Italy: Iberia, France, Switzerland, Austria, Croatia, Slovenia.

I think they look mostly Noric, Alpinid and Alpine-Med.

[Rouxinol]

Genetically they are closer to French than to southern Italians.

I know. :)

[Rouxinol]

Of course they overlap with Central Italians... the ones I posted are still Italians from the Padan plain, and not from isolated towns in the middle of the Alps. The point is where they can pass best outside Italy: Iberia, France, Switzerland, Austria, Croatia, Slovenia.

I think they look mostly Noric, Alpinid and Alpine-Med.

Norids, Dinarids/Dinaro-Meds, one very typical Alpino-Med (Simone Rosso), and different degrees of alpinization.

[Vid Flumina]

I clarified on the OP that I included ethnic Northern Italians, not only Piedmontese. That's why I included some who were from Veneto.

Read my first comment mate, there's no way of knowing going by name. Father could be Venetian and mother or grandfather Umbrian or Campanian and you'll never know..

As a general rule one should simply avoid main cities, however immigration has been pervasive in the small villages and remote valleys too to a lesser extent.

[JMack]

Read my first comment mate, there's no way of knowing going by name. Father could be Venetian and mother or grandfather Umbrian or Campanian and you'll never know..

As a general rule one should simply avoid main cities, however immigration has been pervasive in the small villages and remote valleys too to a lesser extent.

What's the percentage of full Northern Italians in Italy according to you?

[Marco94]

Read my first comment mate, there's no way of knowing going by name. Father could be Venetian and mother or grandfather Umbrian or Campanian and you'll never know..

As a general rule one should simply avoid main cities, however immigration has been pervasive in the small villages and remote valleys too to a lesser extent.

Hey, I agreed with you on your first comment. Sorry if I didn't express myself right lol

Yeah, but small towns usually don't have their websites with the complete list of councillors with pictures of them! I tried but I couldn't find them, so Biella ended up being my best option (I knew about the city since a guy from my town is playing rugby in there).

[Vid Flumina]

What's the percentage of full Northern Italians in Italy according to you?

I have no idea, 50% maybe in NI alone considering how densely populated Turin and Milan's metropolitan areas are. I'm talking strictly of what I consider Northern Italy: Piedmont, Valle d'Aosta, Lombardy, Trentino, Veneto and Friuli.