South French Bell Beaker GEDmatch results

[Peterski]

I've uploaded I3875 Southern French Beaker to GEDmatch Genesis:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#9/44.3835/6.8868

Kit number - MC3097516

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.03
2 Atlantic 26.16
3 West_Med 14.62
4 Eastern_Euro 10.12
5 Baltic 9.6
6 West_Asian 3.44
7 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 4.69
2 Southeast_English 6.74
3 South_Dutch 7.41
4 North_Dutch 7.81
5 West_German 7.89
6 Orcadian 8
7 West_Scottish 8.32
8 Irish 8.33
9 Danish 8.37
10 North_German 9.26
11 Norwegian 9.26
12 French 9.86
13 West_Norwegian 9.96
14 Swedish 10.93
15 East_German 12.82
16 North_Swedish 13.11
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.64
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.05
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.48
20 Hungarian 17.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% West_Norwegian + 33% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.01
2 68.1% West_Norwegian + 31.9% Southwest_French @ 4.28
3 83% West_Norwegian + 17% Sardinian @ 4.34
4 96.6% Southwest_English + 3.4% Sardinian @ 4.43
5 69.5% Norwegian + 30.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.55
6 97.4% Southwest_English + 2.6% Chuvash @ 4.56
7 95.7% Southwest_English + 4.3% Ukrainian @ 4.57
8 97.8% Southwest_English + 2.2% Mari @ 4.57
9 92.2% Southwest_English + 7.8% East_German @ 4.58
10 97.1% Southwest_English + 2.9% Erzya @ 4.58
11 86.8% Southwest_English + 13.2% West_German @ 4.59
12 96% Southwest_English + 4% Moldavian @ 4.6
13 96.3% Southwest_English + 3.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.61
14 97.2% Southwest_English + 2.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.61
15 96.7% Southwest_English + 3.3% East_Finnish @ 4.62
16 95.2% Southwest_English + 4.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.62
17 91.4% Southwest_English + 8.6% Norwegian @ 4.63
18 97.1% Southwest_English + 2.9% South_Polish @ 4.64
19 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% North_Swedish @ 4.64
20 96.4% Southwest_English + 3.6% Hungarian @ 4.65

Eurogenes K36:

108127 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.20 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.26 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.67 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.58 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.19 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.13 Pct
French 7.96 Pct
Iberian 21.38 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.21 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 18.66 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 17.02 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.74 Pct

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/kiNeCZN.png

Interesting how northern-shifted he was compared to modern South French.

Any comments?

[Ibericus]

Bell Beakers were very mobile , probably a recent migrant or descendant of a more northern bell beaker population (Britain, Nerherlands etc)

[Leto]

Very NW European. Interesting stuff!

[FilhoV]

Bell Beakers were very mobile , probably a recent migrant or descendant of a more northern bell beaker population (Britain, Nerherlands etc)

I would have to agree with you because the Bell_Beaker_Netherlands sample is essentially an Occitan.

[Peterski]

Which Beaker sample should I upload next? Any particularly interesting Beakers?

[JohnSmith]

Are they related to KN/Dinarics?

[Coastal Elite]

Me, me, I wanna be Beaker!

[celticdragongod]

I've uploaded I3875 Southern French Beaker to GEDmatch Genesis:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#9/44.3835/6.8868

Kit number - MC3097516

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.03
2 Atlantic 26.16
3 West_Med 14.62
4 Eastern_Euro 10.12
5 Baltic 9.6
6 West_Asian 3.44
7 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 4.69
2 Southeast_English 6.74
3 South_Dutch 7.41
4 North_Dutch 7.81
5 West_German 7.89
6 Orcadian 8
7 West_Scottish 8.32
8 Irish 8.33
9 Danish 8.37
10 North_German 9.26
11 Norwegian 9.26
12 French 9.86
13 West_Norwegian 9.96
14 Swedish 10.93
15 East_German 12.82
16 North_Swedish 13.11
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.64
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.05
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.48
20 Hungarian 17.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% West_Norwegian + 33% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.01
2 68.1% West_Norwegian + 31.9% Southwest_French @ 4.28
3 83% West_Norwegian + 17% Sardinian @ 4.34
4 96.6% Southwest_English + 3.4% Sardinian @ 4.43
5 69.5% Norwegian + 30.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.55
6 97.4% Southwest_English + 2.6% Chuvash @ 4.56
7 95.7% Southwest_English + 4.3% Ukrainian @ 4.57
8 97.8% Southwest_English + 2.2% Mari @ 4.57
9 92.2% Southwest_English + 7.8% East_German @ 4.58
10 97.1% Southwest_English + 2.9% Erzya @ 4.58
11 86.8% Southwest_English + 13.2% West_German @ 4.59
12 96% Southwest_English + 4% Moldavian @ 4.6
13 96.3% Southwest_English + 3.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.61
14 97.2% Southwest_English + 2.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.61
15 96.7% Southwest_English + 3.3% East_Finnish @ 4.62
16 95.2% Southwest_English + 4.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.62
17 91.4% Southwest_English + 8.6% Norwegian @ 4.63
18 97.1% Southwest_English + 2.9% South_Polish @ 4.64
19 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% North_Swedish @ 4.64
20 96.4% Southwest_English + 3.6% Hungarian @ 4.65

Eurogenes K36:

108127 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.20 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.26 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.67 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.58 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.19 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.13 Pct
French 7.96 Pct
Iberian 21.38 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.21 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 18.66 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 17.02 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.74 Pct

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/kiNeCZN.png

Interesting how northern-shifted he was compared to modern South French.

Any comments?

I guess the Roman Empire had a massive effect on the demographics of southern France.

[celticdragongod]

Which Beaker sample should I upload next? Any particularly interesting Beakers?

If you can why not upload all of them?

[Vid Flumina]

Which Beaker sample should I upload next? Any particularly interesting Beakers?

Do we have one from Switzerland?

[Peterski]

Do we have one from Switzerland?

No, but there is one from area between Mulhouse and Basel (near Swiss border) and one near Annecy (France, between Geneva and Aosta).


If you can why not upload all of them?

Processing the samples takes time.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I guess the Roman Empire had a massive effect on the demographics of southern France.
They did, but Bell Beakers like this guy were migrants from the Netherlands and Rhine area. No reason to believe he was the average population. Southern France was probably too populated for the Beakers to kill off the farmers like they did in Britain.

[Peterski]

to kill off the farmers like they did in Britain.

I think it was mainly infectious diseases that depopulated Neolithic Britain.

That outbreak of the plague started even before Beaker immigration, IIRC (archaeology shows a decline in population already before the Beaker period).

Could be also some major crop failure, causing starvation (in addition to plague).

[Vid Flumina]

No, but there is one from area between Mulhouse and Basel (near Swiss border) and one near Annecy (France, between Geneva and Aosta).


I wouldn't mind seeing the one from Basel.

Also are Tollense warriors still on Gedmatch by any chance?

[Bellbeaking]

I guess the Roman Empire had a massive effect on the demographics of southern France.


That is possible Mr dragon, but most likely this is just an immigrant who was yet to intergrate himself into the surrounding neolithic population, likely this guys children and granchildren would be with neolithic women

[Grace O'Malley]

I think it was mainly infectious diseases that depopulated Neolithic Britain.

That outbreak of the plague started even before Beaker immigration, IIRC (archaeology shows a decline in population already before the Beaker period).

Could be also some major crop failure, causing starvation (in addition to plague).

Yes. It's been shown previously that Ireland at any rate (so most probably Britain as well) had a significant population decline before the Beakers came.


Highlights

•Abrupt uptake of agriculture associated with ‘house horizon’ 3720–3620 cal BC.

•Fixed plot ‘garden’ agriculture inferred.

•Elm decline asynchronous, but associated in many places with early agriculture.

•Early boom followed by major archaeological & landscape changes 3500–3000 cal BC.

Observed changes in Ireland have parallels in Britain and further afield.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440313002987

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/131001-ancient-europe-farming-bust-neolithic-archaeology/

[J. Ketch]

In my PCA
https://i.postimg.cc/mDgjKHjb/SFRABB.png