Brazilians with Lebanese Surnames: State Main Phenotypes

[JMack]

Like in the case of Italians they range from 10% Lebanese to 100% Lebanese. Again like in the case of Italians, Brazil has the largest Lebanese diaspora in the world (more than in Lebanon itself). The next thread will be about Brazilians with German surnames.

Lebanese people (Christian Syrians too) are generally considered as White in Brazil.


1# Luciana Gimenez (Luciana Gimenez Morad) - half Lebanese and half Spanish

https://abrilveja.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/entretenimento-luciana-gimenez-20180604-0001.jpg

http://www.diarioonline.com.br/app/painel/modulo-noticia/img/imagensdb/original/destaque-529437-screenshot_129.jpg

2# Michel Temer (Michel Miguel Elias Temer Lulia) - fully Lebanese

https://p2.trrsf.com/image/fget/cf/460/0/images.terra.com/2018/12/28/2018-12-28T174540Z_1_LYNXNPEEBR0QJ_RTROPTP_4_TECH-REGULADOR-PROTECAO-DADOS.JPG

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMk6vA27j80y7YJwZVDUXcwvw3gPfom cviHhKNA3uny2Z1fXwW

3 # Ali Kamel - I'm not sure about him but both his parents had Lebanese surnames

http://memoriaglobo.globo.com/data/files/44/A2/6E/D3/9ABA7410D385087400000000/ali%20kamel.jpg

https://www.societyriosp.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Patricia-Kogut-e-o-marido-Ali-Kamel.jpg

4# Tânia Kalil (Tânia Kalil Padis Campos) - Lebanese + Spanish + Colonial

http://static1.purepeople.com.br/people/6/28/36/@/9314-tania-khalil-opengraph_1200-2.jpg

https://s2.glbimg.com/obmeXaHRSkaAQrKzOrqMTh5l30s=/640x424/top/i.glbimg.com/og/ig/infoglobo/f/original/2018/10/30/tania.png

5# Fernando Haddad - likely fully Lebanese

http://dc.rbsdirect.com.br/imagesrc/24713809.jpg?w=660

https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/ra/mega/Pub/GP/p4/2018/10/23/Republica/Imagens/Cortadas/fernando-haddad-entrevista-roda-viva-ID000002-1200x800@GP-Web.jpg

6# Paulo Maluf (Paulo Salim Maluf) - Fully Lebanese

http://www.esquerdadiario.com.br/IMG/arton25837.jpg

https://cdn-istoe-ssl.akamaized.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2017/06/1f61b0c9b5c6742734cf39699f849121e46d27c5.jpg

7# Maurício Mattar (Maurício Mattar Kirk de Souza) - Lebanese + English + Colonial

https://feirenses.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/mauricio-matar.jpg

https://www.kboing.com.br/fotos/imagens/54255b9a6a64c.jpg

8# Alexandre Kalil - Fully Lebanese

https://www.lance.com.br/files/article_main/uploads/2017/03/22/58d32e9b462c8.jpeg

http://www.itatiaia.com.br/Admin/Conteudo/noticias/outros/kalil01-02-2018_21-5.jpg

9# Alberto Youssef - Mostly Lebanese, I'm not sure if he has something else

http://www.emaisgoias.com.br/uploads/conteudo/550280c1b52a60020dcfd87512e6b12f.jpg

https://s.t1noticias.com.br/files/cache/10_02_2019/954faf0913267a2abe2dea48ae50ad97.jpg

10# Nadja Haddad - Lebanese + Colonial

https://cdn-istoe-ssl.akamaized.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2018/08/nadja-haddad.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--adxzeqcgPw/VcUwL3tafKI/AAAAAAAAAHc/uixPiIVl2R0/s1600/13357198-e1435863068205.jpeg

11# Tasso Jereissatti (Tasso Ribeiro Jereissatti) - Lebanese + Colonial

https://anoticiadoceara.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Tasso-696x392.jpg

http://edgblogs.s3.amazonaws.com/felipepatury/files/2012/06/Tasso-Jereissati-Foto-Antonio-Cruz-Ag%C3%AAncia-Brasil.jpg

12# Gilberto Kassab - fully Lebanese

https://abrilveja.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/brasil-gilberto-kassab-ministro-ciencia-tecnologia-20170113-03.jpg

https://conteudo.imguol.com.br/c/noticias/cd/2018/03/29/12mar2018---ministro-da-ciencia-tecnologia-inovacoes-e-comunicacao-gilberto-kassab-durante-de-cerimonia-de-assinatura-do-termo-de-adesao-ao-programa-internet-para-todos-1522352865418_1920x1271.jpg

13# Milton Hatoun - fully Lebanese

http://umbigoliterario.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/M-Hatoum.jpg

http://www.candido.bpp.pr.gov.br/arquivos/Image/Edicao8/DSC1655.JPG

14# Beto Richa (Carlos Alberto Richa) - Portuguese + Lebanese

https://www.tribunapr.com.br/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2018/09/beto-richa-encontro-campanha-825x509.jpg?a86372

https://www.correiodopovo.com.br/image/policy:1.319103:1549894694/Beto-Richa-e-reu-da-Lava-Jato.jpg?f=2x1&$p$f=07074ec&w=720&$w=3b33d2d

15# Malu Mader (Maria de Lourdes da Silveira Mader) - Lebanese + recent Portuguese + Luxembourgian

https://media.fstatic.com/k3PYwfQCDJK1VEO-ja2tWMyOdtE=/210x312/smart/media/artists/avatar/2013/07/malu-mader_a54718_1.jpg

https://img.7segundos.com.br/fV9NOQNSAhpSHV0gnXAvburyBZ4=/460x320/smart/s3.7segundos.com.br/uploads/imagens/93296-1522868423261_jpg.jpeg

[JMack]

16# Guilherme Afif Domingos - Lebanese + Colonial

https://static.poder360.com.br/2017/01/Guilherme-afif_-Foto-Renata-Castello-Branco-01-1-450x450.jpg

https://abrilveja.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/afif-domingos-20110319-original.jpeg

17# Adriana Behar (Adriana Brandão Behar) - Lebanese + Colonial

http://www.arenabiz.com.br//wp-content/uploads/2011/06/adrianabehar11.jpg

https://www.estadao.com.br/fotos/AdrianaBehar_Arquivo11102005_TassoMarceloAE.JPG

18# Branco (Cláudio Ibrahim Vaz Leal) - Lebanese + Colonial

http://www.alagoas24horas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Branco.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wepesclassicsall-stars/images/a/a8/Branco.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150907232659&path-prefix=pt-br

19# Patrus Ananias (Patrus Ananias de Souza) - Lebanese + Colonial

https://pt.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/patrusananias-371x500.jpg

http://www.ptmg.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Patrus-Ananias.jpg

20# Wanderléa (Wanderléa Chalup Boere Sallum) - fully Lebanese

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2WVedGqSxvY/VndkEtZczmI/AAAAAAAALIg/J_Ia_zd6r80/s320/jovemguarda88.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5ywltXN2M_g/0.jpg

21# Sabrina Sato (Sabrina Sato Rahal) - Lebanese + Portuguese + Japanese (a mix possible only in Brazil lol)

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2014325/rs_560x720-140425125905-sabrina-sato.jpg?fit=inside|900:auto&output-quality=90

https://cdn.informebaiano.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Sabrina-Sato.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

The majority look Southern European, with only some having a more stereotypical 'Arab' look.

[JMack]

The majority look Southern European, with only some having a more stereotypical 'Arab' look.

I have the same impression. Most people in Brazil don't perceive the Lebanese as stereotypical Arabs.

[Token]

Most of them look indistinguishable from Southern Europeans. I have a Lebanese neighbour and she doesn't look 'MENA' either.

[Latinus]

Strong overlap with Southern Euros (even the fully ones with no other ancestry).
Is Mauricio Mattar's phenotype "Brazilian" or Lebanese?

[JMack]

Strong overlap with Southern Euros (even the fully ones with no other ancestry).
Is Mauricio Mattar's phenotype "Brazilian" or Lebanese?

Hard to know. I've seen similar looking pure Lebanese people. But since he's also part British his colonial part likely carried some mix.

[Joso]

Very bad list bro

[Latinus]

Very bad list bro

Make a better one.:thumb001:

[Joso]

Make a better one.:thumb001:

the list i good actually, it is just that most don't look lebanese

[Sikeliot]

They can all pass in Sicily for the most part.

[JMack]

They can all pass in Sicily for the most part.

Even the last one (Sabrina Sato)?

[Smeagol]

Nearly all of them would be considered white in the United States.

[JMack]

bump

[Bolsonaro2018]

Tony Kanaan is fully maronite lebanese

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/rpm/players/full/45.png&w=350&h=254

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tony_Kanaan_2008_Indy_Japan_300.jpg/240px-Tony_Kanaan_2008_Indy_Japan_300.jpg

[lisarb]

Even the last one (Sabrina Sato)?

sabrina sato father is mix lebanese and Swiss
mother are japanese

[Sikeliot]

Even the last one (Sabrina Sato)?

No, not her. But the others yes.

[luc2112]

Nearly all of them would be considered white in the United States.

Syrian and Lebanese are considered white here.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Probably all New World consider Levantines immigrants as whites.

[Cristiano viejo]

Lebaneses are brown and nothing white. FACT.

[JMack]

Lebaneses are brown and nothing white. FACT.

Almost no one in the pics is ''brown'' and some are even lighter than average Spaniards. And I didn't even cherrypicked, I could cherrypick Lebanese-Brazilians much lighter than these.

BBut I know you can't discuss these matters rationally so I'm not wasting my time.

[Cristiano viejo]

Almost no one in the pics is ''brown'' and some are even lighter than average Spaniards. And I didn't even cherrypicked, I could cherrypick Lebanese-Brazilians much lighter than these.

BBut I know you can't discuss these matters rationally so I'm not wasting my time.

You can do what you want. These are typical Lebanese
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/227/475550822_c9422e9d5a_b.jpg

Veredict: brown.

[JMack]

You can do what you want. These are typical Lebanese
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/227/475550822_c9422e9d5a_b.jpg

Veredict: brown.

lol

[Cristiano viejo]

lol

Honestly I dont see difference between them and let say Kurds, Turks, Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, and even Moroccans, Algerians etc

[JMack]

Honestly I dont see difference between them and let say Kurds, Turks, Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, and even Moroccans, Algerians etc

Well, I don't live near these other ethnicities so I cannot say anything about them. Lebanese people I know here almost never look stereotypically 'MENA' or ''brown''.

The ones in this thread are quite representative for what I see daily here. And no one would say they are ''brown'' as a whole.

[Kamal900]

Honestly I dont see difference between them and let say Kurds, Turks, Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, and even Moroccans, Algerians etc

Some MENA peoples can easily pass in Europe and vice versa. Look at my family and myself as examples of that. Why do you deny this?

[archangel]

Some of them does not look Lebanese/Arab at all probably mixed with other ethnicites in Latin America
Here are some maps for skin color,eye color and hair color.

In the region we Türks and Caucasians stand out, the southeners(Levantines,İranians,North Africans) are predominantly southern looking.

https://resmim.net/f/ApwXhd.png
https://resmim.net/f/8a3KTI.jpg

[lameduck]

Lebanese/Syrians look best in MENA imo, for me there is no competition.

[lameduck]

You can do what you want. These are typical Lebanese
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/227/475550822_c9422e9d5a_b.jpg

Veredict: brown.

they will look similar to OP pictures , when groomed properly and posed images are taken.

[Rouxinol]

They can all pass in Sicily for the most part.

Yes. And some of them pass across Italy. Examples:

Michel Temer:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMk6vA27j80y7YJwZVDUXcwvw3gPfom cviHhKNA3uny2Z1fXwW

Alberto Youssef:
http://www.emaisgoias.com.br/uploads/conteudo/550280c1b52a60020dcfd87512e6b12f.jpg

Gilberto Kassab:
https://conteudo.imguol.com.br/c/noticias/cd/2018/03/29/12mar2018---ministro-da-ciencia-tecnologia-inovacoes-e-comunicacao-gilberto-kassab-durante-de-cerimonia-de-assinatura-do-termo-de-adesao-ao-programa-internet-para-todos-1522352865418_1920x1271.jpg

[rajputprincess]

they will look similar to OP pictures , when groomed properly and posed images are taken.
You can do what you want. These are typical Lebanese
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/227/475550822_c9422e9d5a_b.jpg

Veredict: brown.This is because of tanning those people in op are rich they don't tan

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[Cristiano viejo]

Some MENA peoples can easily pass in Europe and vice versa. Look at my family and myself as examples of that. Why do you deny this?

I dont deny it, I am speaking about a whole.

[Kamal900]

I dont deny it, I am speaking about a whole.

In general, yes. But that doesn't mean that there aren't any MENA people that can pass in Europe individually.

[Sp_loa]

Even the lighter ones don’t European to me. Maximum Southern Italy.
Lebanon, Syria and Turkey are the best fit IMO

[JMack]

This is because of tanning those people in op are rich they don't tan

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Most are not rich or of upper class background (some are rich now). Actually people here never mistake Lebanese for MENAs. I remember there was some Iraqi refugee in my town and he clearly stand out among Lebanese-Brazilians.

These people in the OP are far from stereotypical MENA looking, the only reason some are calling them as such is due to weird agendas. They would be white in nearly all of the world.

[rajputprincess]

Most are not rich or of upper class background (some are rich now). Actually people here never mistake Lebanese for MENAs. I remember there was some Iraqi refugee in my town and he clearly stand out among Lebanese-Brazilians.

These people in the OP are far from stereotypical MENA looking, the only reason some are calling them as such is due to weird agendas. They would be white in nearly all of the world.I think Caucasus Turkish Lebanese and Syrian irani even many north African look very Caucasian but then again some people just don't want to accept it (pretend to be surprised )

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[Kamal900]

Most are not rich or of upper class background (some are rich now). Actually people here never mistake Lebanese for MENAs. I remember there was some Iraqi refugee in my town and he clearly stand out among Lebanese-Brazilians.

These people in the OP are far from stereotypical MENA looking, the only reason some are calling them as such is due to weird agendas. They would be white in nearly all of the world.

I guess this is true for me and my family:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278596-Which-West-Asian-and-European-Group-Do-I-Look-Best-As

Many Brazilians here told me that I pass for White in Brazil.

[JMack]

I guess this is true for me and my family:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278596-Which-West-Asian-and-European-Group-Do-I-Look-Best-As

Many Brazilians here told me that I pass for White in Brazil.

Yeah, I told you that you pass unnoticed here as a White guy. I think you'd be seen as white in the whole world tbh. You're lighter than many Europeans.

[Kivan]

Even the lighter ones don’t European to me. Maximum Southern Italy.
Lebanon, Syria and Turkey are the best fit IMO

lol Stop being delusional. Some of the people in the OP look even Austrian or Swiss like 9# or 11#.

And your average Syrian and Lebanese just pass in Turkey as gypsies or semites living there.

[Kamal900]

lol Stop being delusional. Some of the people in the OP look even Austrian or Swiss like 9# or 11#.

And your average Syrian and Lebanese just pass in Turkey as gypsies or semites living there.

What about the light ones like myself and so on? Many people here claim that I can pass in Turkey as well.

[Kivan]

What about the light ones like myself and so on? Many people here claim that I can pass in Turkey as well.

You don't look Arab at all. You look like a lighter Armenian.

[Kamal900]

You don't look Arab at all. You look like a lighter Armenian.

I know, but I just saying that only the lighter ones could pass in west asia and southern Europe.

[Latinus]

There isn't an imaginary line between Europe and the non-white world that prevents overlap betweeen Levantines and Euros, that's why many Euros could fit in the Levant and vice versa.
The problem is the anthrotardism + blind nationalism that makes some people act/say things delusional.
I don't know how a textbook Lebanese looks, but the overlap does exist with Europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

There isn't an imaginary line between Europe and the non-white world that prevents overlap betweeen Levantines and Euros, that's why many Euros could fit in the Levant and vice versa.
The problem is the anthrotardism + blind nationalism that makes some people act/say things delusional.
I don't know how a textbook Lebanese looks, but the overlap does exist with Europe.

Indeed. What's more, I'd even argue that most Southern European groups (except Slovenians and Croatians) look at least as close if not closer to Levantines than to Scandinavians and Baltics.

[JMack]

Indeed. What's more, I'd even argue that most Southern European groups (except Slovenians and Croatians) look at least as close if not closer to Levantines than to Scandinavians and Baltics.

Of all the groups I posted until now which is the most distinctive?

I think German Brazilians stand out the most from the rest: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278623-German-Brazilian-Surnames-State-Main-Phenotypes-Among-These-Brazilians

[Sikeliot]

This woman would actually plot exactly with some Sicilians on GEDmatch.. half Lebanese, half Spanish. And she does look the part... she looks neither full Lebanese nor full Spanish.

http://www.diarioonline.com.br/app/painel/modulo-noticia/img/imagensdb/original/destaque-529437-screenshot_129.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Of all the groups I posted until now which is the most distinctive?

I think German Brazilians stand out the most from the rest: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278623-German-Brazilian-Surnames-State-Main-Phenotypes-Among-These-Brazilians

Yes, the German Brazilians stand out the most.

[Bolsonaro2018]

I am not sure, but most Lebanese weren't replaced by Arabs? I mean these Lebanese-Brazilian are all christians, but today Lebanon is a muslim country.

[JMack]

Yes, the German Brazilians stand out the most.

In Brazil no one walks around calling Lebanese people ''Araboids'' or ''terrorists''. Everyone see them as almost South Euro. They blend very fine with Colonial Brazilians of Portuguese descent, recent Spanish and Portuguese immigrants and Italians.

But when someone looks like Robert Scheidt he is usually nicknamed ''Alemão'' ( ''the German''). Of course majority German places are an exception.

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't know how a textbook Lebanese looks, but the overlap does exist with Europe.


No, it does not exist at all.

[Sikeliot]

In Brazil no one walks around calling Lebanese people ''Araboids'' or ''terrorists''. Everyone see them as almost South Euro. They blend very fine with Colonial Brazilians of Portuguese descent, recent Spanish and Portuguese immigrants and Italians.

But when someone looks like Robert Scheidt he is usually nicknamed ''Alemão'' ( ''the German''). Of course majority German places are an exception.

Where I live because most Lebanese are Catholic, they tend to intermingle with other Christian MENAs, Italian Americans, and Portuguese here also. Same with Syrian Christians.

Lebanese here are almost seen as the exception to the rule in the MENA world which shows people don't realize the largest Christian population numerically (not percentage wise) in the MENA world is Egyptian Copts.

Armenians on the other hand tend to gravitate toward Greeks, Balkan Slavs, and Orthodox people.

[Latinus]

No, it does not exist at all.

Yes, there are a good numbers of Lebanese that pass in Iberia/Italy, wtf are you talking about?

[Latinus]

This woman would actually plot exactly with some Sicilians on GEDmatch.. half Lebanese, half Spanish. And she does look the part... she looks neither full Lebanese nor full Spanish.

http://www.diarioonline.com.br/app/painel/modulo-noticia/img/imagensdb/original/destaque-529437-screenshot_129.jpg

She could be fully Spanish easily.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, there are a good numbers of Lebanese that pass in Iberia/Italy, wtf are you talking about?

A good number = 1%. That is not overlaping, sorry.

[Kamal900]

No, it does not exist at all.

Riight..I mean, Iberian members here told me that I can pass in the Iberian peninsula and I'm a Palestinian :D

Not saying that the average Levantine looks Southern European, but there is SOME overlap between the two regions.

[Latinus]

A good number = 1%. That is not overlaping, sorry.

Don't know the percentage, but many can and vice versa.

[JMack]

Where I live because most Lebanese are Catholic, they tend to intermingle with other Christian MENAs, Italian Americans, and Portuguese here also. Same with Syrian Christians.

Lebanese here are almost seen as the exception to the rule in the MENA world which shows people don't realize the largest Christian population numerically (not percentage wise) in the MENA world is Egyptian Copts.

Armenians on the other hand tend to gravitate toward Greeks, Balkan Slavs, and Orthodox people.

Yeah, I don't see a big barrier between Christian Lebanese and Southern Europeans be it cultural or phenotypical. There's no Greeks in Brazil (in large numbers) but the few Armenians here marry among Portuguese/White Colonial Brazilians.

Actually Brazilians of Northern or Eastern European descent are the ones who stand out the most.

[JMack]

Don't know the percentage, but many can and vice versa.

CV is not rational, discussing these things with him is a waste of time.

[Cristiano viejo]

Riight..I mean, Iberian members here told me that I can pass in the Iberian peninsula and I'm a Palestinian :D

Not saying that the average Levantine looks Southern European, but there is SOME overlap between the two regions.

You are part of that tiny 1%.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah, I don't see a big barrier between Christian Lebanese and Southern Europeans be it cultural or phenotypical. There's no Greeks in Brazil (in large numbers) but the few Armenians here marry among Portuguese/White Colonial Brazilians.

Actually Brazilians of Northern or Eastern European descent are the ones who stand out the most.

Even more than the ones of Japanese or Korean descent?:D (Btw, are you going to open a thread about Brazilians of East Asian descent? My former Portuguese teacher is a Japanese-Paulista).

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, I don't see a big barrier between Christian Lebanese and Southern Europeans be it cultural or phenotypical. There's no Greeks in Brazil (in large numbers) but the few Armenians here marry among Portuguese/White Colonial Brazilians.

Actually Brazilians of Northern or Eastern European descent are the ones who stand out the most.


A lot of what happens here is, for whichever reason, Lebanese women marrying Italian or Portuguese American men, taking their surnames, and being assumed to be that ethnicity and sort of absorbing that identity. This happens usually when it's a Maronite Catholic.

Lebanese Muslims would be culturally more distinct from Europeans.

[Kamal900]

You are part of that tiny 1%.

I'm part of a minority of Levantines that look European, yes. However, 1% is an invisible number. I'd say around 15 to 20% of Lebanese, espicially the Druze and the Christians with some Muslims, can pass in Europe.

[JMack]

Even more than the ones of Japanese or Korean descent?:D (Btw, are you going to open a thread about Brazilians of East Asian descent? My former Portuguese teacher is a Japanese-Paulista).

I think so. I know many people of mixed East Asian descent but many others who are full German or Russian/Ukrainian.

The thing is that Germans and Eastern Europeans moved mostly to unpopulated Brazilian rural regions, so in many cases they are the most common group where they live. The ones in big cities tend to intermarry more. But we have many rural places in Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul, Paraná and Espírito Santo populated only by Germans or East Slavs.

And, yeah, I'll open a thread about East Asians.

[Sikeliot]

I'm part of a minority of Levantines that look European, yes. However, 1% is an invisible number. I'd say around 15 to 20% of Lebanese, espicially the Druze and the Christians with some Muslims, can pass in Europe.

Interestingly it is the Muslims who are genetically closer to Europe.

[Kamal900]

Interestingly it is the Muslims who are genetically closer to Europe.

Yeah, but they're Arabian and SSA admixed in comparison to the Christians.

[JMack]

A lot of what happens here is, for whichever reason, Lebanese women marrying Italian or Portuguese American men, taking their surnames, and being assumed to be that ethnicity and sort of absorbing that identity. This happens usually when it's a Maronite Catholic.

Lebanese Muslims would be culturally more distinct from Europeans.

I don't know about any Muslim Lebanese here, for some strange reason Brazil never attracted Muslim Levantines, only Christians.
I'd say 90%+ of Lebanese here are Christian, the rest are probably atheists and very few Muslims. And keep in mind Brazil has more people of Lebanese descent than Lebanon.

The first time I met Muslims in my life was in Europe, I had never seen one in Brazil (now there are few where I live, but not significantly anyway).

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't know about any Muslim Lebanese here, for some strange reason Brazil never attracted Muslim Levantines, only Christians.
I'd say 90%+ of Lebanese here are Christian, the rest are probably atheists and very few Muslims. And keep in mind Brazil has more people of Lebanese descent than Lebanon.

The first time I met Muslims in my life was in Europe, I had never seen one in Brazil (now there are few where I live, but not significantly anyway).

And I doubt Brazil has many Hindus and Sikhs either.

[Sikeliot]

I don't know about any Muslim Lebanese here, for some strange reason Brazil never attracted Muslim Levantines, only Christians.
I'd say 90%+ of Lebanese here are Christian, the rest are probably atheists and very few Muslims. And keep in mind Brazil has more people of Lebanese descent than Lebanon.

The first time I met Muslims in my life was in Europe, I had never seen one in Brazil (now there are few where I live, but not significantly anyway).


Part of the reason I also perceive South Italian people as close to the Lebanese is because in the US when in the same area they do tend to intermarry. Though in Brazil you'll probably find the same with Lebanese and Portuguese, religion being constant.

Brazil actually doesn't have a lot of Sicilians or southern Italians, the Italians where you are, are probably mostly northerners.

[JMack]

And I doubt Brazil has many Hindus and Sikhs either.

Almost none. Hindus exist here but generally among middle class people who visited India or converted through missions here. South Asian ethnicities are inexistent.

Apart from many European groups, Lebanese/Syrians, Japanese and Blacks Brazil isn't that diverse. In countryside regions outside of Southeast Brazil most people are Triracial or Colonial White (Northeast/North), White from recent background (South) or a mix of both (Center-West).

You can find diversity in big cities but it's likely the same in USA as well. The Southeast Region is really the ''heart'' of Brazil since that's the region in which you can find everything.

[JMack]

Part of the reason I also perceive South Italian people as close to the Lebanese is because in the US when in the same area they do tend to intermarry. Though in Brazil you'll probably find the same with Lebanese and Portuguese, religion being constant.

Brazil actually doesn't have a lot of Sicilians or southern Italians, the Italians where you are, are probably mostly northerners.

We never received a great number of Sicilians, but mainland South Italians were considerable. Many from Abruzzo, Molise, Calabria, Puglia and many Central Italians as well. But most of these migrated to big cities and intermarried with Portuguese/Spanish immigrants and Colonial Whites. Northern Italians migrated mostly to the countryside and intermarried a lot with with Germans.

And yeah, you're right, I never perceived Lebanese people to be extremely different from Iberians because I know many people of mixed Lebanese/Portuguese/Spanish descent, even more than Italians.

This Brazilian actor was fully Spanish and looks like many people of Lebanese ancestry I know:

http://f.i.uol.com.br/folha/saopaulo/images/14276779.jpeg

http://i0.statig.com.br/bancodeimagens/a0/cv/2x/a0cv2x7zjghfqt5rdzxldvktb.jpg

Actually Iberian + Lebanese is a quite common mix here.

[Chaos One]

Well, living on a district that Lebanese people are common (and habing many Lebanese Brazilian friends, dated at least 3 Lebanese Brazilian girls and so goes on), you can really differ some but other not. Unless they have that typical Arabid face or traits, things get blur and people do not care about it at all. Same with Syrian Brazilians or the more uncommon Palestine Brazilians.

They are white by all means in Brazil, only receiving some special "treatment" (jokes et al.) if too arabid looking. Interesting enough (but expected), it's very common to see Lebanese/Armenian mixed families in São Paulo.

[Chaos One]

Some Levantine muslims in Brazil:

Sheikh Jihad Hammadeh

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_592TyyTxw8/W9DyxOw__pI/AAAAAAAAChw/nJOFGZ-eEGYWzO_OgMpCuwcqVvNoKxUSQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/NMC%2B%2528157%2529.jpg

Sheikh Ali Abdouni (with Pelé lol)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/53/68/f053685710f88c372d8c723ba338c909.jpg

Some Brazilian Muslims with Sheikh Hammadeh at São Bernardo do Campo mosque

http://www.wamy.org.br/wamy/images/2017/01-janeiro/curso-casais-14012017/cursocasais-chamada.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Some Levantine muslims in Brazil:

Sheikh Jihad Hammadeh

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_592TyyTxw8/W9DyxOw__pI/AAAAAAAAChw/nJOFGZ-eEGYWzO_OgMpCuwcqVvNoKxUSQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/NMC%2B%2528157%2529.jpg

Sheikh Ali Abdouni (with Pelé lol)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/53/68/f053685710f88c372d8c723ba338c909.jpg

Some Brazilian Muslims with Sheikh Hammadeh at São Bernardo do Campo mosque

http://www.wamy.org.br/wamy/images/2017/01-janeiro/curso-casais-14012017/cursocasais-chamada.jpg

Now these definitely look closer to the stereotype.

[JMack]

Now these definitely look closer to the stereotype.

Yeah, but they are extremely rare.

[Cristiano viejo]

This Brazilian actor was fully Spanish and looks like many people of Lebanese ancestry I know:

http://f.i.uol.com.br/folha/saopaulo/images/14276779.jpeg


Yeah, he looks like the typical Lebanese people :rolleyes:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/dailystar/Pictures/2013/04/24/158565_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg

Seriously, stop with the joke.

[nafz]

I sometimes disagree with CV but he is right on this. Lebanese are middle easterners and non European. There is a continuous attempt in this forum to whitewash them and equate them to southern Europeans in terms of appearance and looks . I really don't know why this is happening but I don' t care really. Facts are facts and I will stick with them. Presenting a small minority as the norm and representative of a population is propaganda and disinformation spreading .

The truth is that most of these euro looking Lebanese who are often posted to make this point (Lebs being Passable in Europe) are Catholic Lebanese who themselves are the product of intermarriage of the French (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people_in_Lebanon)and Italian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_in_Lebanon) Lebanese communities with the local Arab Catholic minority.

[Cristiano viejo]

I sometimes disagree with CV
Really? have you and me discussed even any time, because I dont remember?

In any case I always say the truth, even when I lie
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQASU2hh0eBb4u4OwFaCbuLElssOrUE4 XJX-ySv6VPhLYC7AqQN

[JMack]

I sometimes disagree with CV but he is right on this. Lebanese are middle easterners and non European. There is a continuous attempt in this forum to whitewash them and equate them to southern Europeans in terms of appearance and looks . I really don't know why this is happening but I don' t care really. Facts are facts and I will stick with them. Presenting a small minority as the norm and representative of a population is propaganda and disinformation spreading .

The truth is that most of these euro looking Lebanese who are often posted to make this point (Lebs being Passable in Europe) are Catholic Lebanese who themselves are the product of intermarriage of the French (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people_in_Lebanon)and Italian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_in_Lebanon) Lebanese communities with the local Arab Catholic minority.

You are a sane and educated poster but this particular passage is absolutely false, Catholic Lebanese people don't have significant European blood. I'm not trying to whitewash Lebanese, far from it, I was always in disagreement with users who actually try to darkwash some Europeans to pass them as Middle Easterners. But I believe in what my eyes see and not in crazy agendas by some users who are sometimes unconfortable with the truth.

Something must be adressed: I probably see far more Lebanese people in one day than what you have seen in your whole life, so I know exactly how they look. All people posted in this thread are common where I live and it's not cherrypicking. I could cherrypick others who are much lighter, like these ones:

http://imagem.natelinha.uol.com.br/grande/Ellen-Jabour2403.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LbYPeC61n1U/TNVuC59A3oI/AAAAAAAAB4s/5xXqB6I7zFc/s1600/jabou+2.bmp

http://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/115_cosac.jpg

These are Brazilians with Lebanese surnames and they look Western Euro. So what?

I can't talk about Lebanese people as a whole, but the ones I see here don't look that different from South Euros (and keep in mind Brazil has more Lebanese than Lebanon).

[nafz]

You are a sane and educated poster but this particular passage is absolutely false, Catholic Lebanese people don't have significant European blood. I'm not trying to whitewash Lebanese, far from it, I was always in disagreement with users who actually try to darkwash some Europeans to pass them as Middle Easterners. But I believe in what my eyes see and not in crazy agendas by some users who are sometimes unconfortable with the truth.

Something must be adressed: I probably see far more Lebanese people in one day than what you have seen in your whole life, so I know exactly how they look. All people posted in this thread are common where I live and it's not cherrypicking. I could cherrypick others who are much lighter, like these ones:

http://imagem.natelinha.uol.com.br/grande/Ellen-Jabour2403.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LbYPeC61n1U/TNVuC59A3oI/AAAAAAAAB4s/5xXqB6I7zFc/s1600/jabou+2.bmp

http://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/115_cosac.jpg

These are Brazilians with Lebanese surnames and they look Western Euro. So what?

I can't talk about Lebanese people as a whole, but the ones I see here don't look that different from South Euros (and keep in mind Brazil has more Lebanese than Lebanon).


There is a small but active community of Lebanese in Athens. The community consists of people who fled the Lebanese civil war that started in the 1970's and dragged on for years. So we are talking about first generation Lebanese people , and not people who were born in another country like the examples you posted.
My point is that you may have more experience in absolute numbers with Lebanese descended people but I have more experience with actual native Lebanese persons.
The people who fled the civil war and ended up in Athens were upper class Lebanese Catholics, well off, most of them were merchants, some were jewelers , some engineers. Many years ago I worked in a establishment in Athens whose clients were expats Lebanese and I got to know many of them up close and personal .
While discussing with them ,some of them mentioned that their ancestry is partly European since marriages between native Lebanese Catholics and European expats in Lebanon were common back in the day. That's where I got my information. As for the Brasilian Lebanese you posted, I don't know, I suspect most of them are Catholics though so I don't see why they would not fall into the same category of people I described.

[JMack]

There is a small but active community of Lebanese in Athens. The community consists of people who fled the Lebanese civil war that started in the 1970's and dragged on for years. So we are talking about first generation Lebanese people , and not people who were born in another country like the examples you posted.
My point is that you may have more experience in absolute numbers with Lebanese descended people but I have more experience with actual native Lebanese persons.
The people who fled the civil war and ended up in Athens were upper class Lebanese Catholics, well off, most of them were merchants, some were jewelers , some engineers. Many years ago I worked in a establishment in Athens whose clients were expats Lebanese and I got to know many of them up close and personal .
While discussing with them ,some of them mentioned that their ancestry is partly European since marriages between native Lebanese Catholics and European expats in Lebanon were common back in the day. That's where I got my information. As for the Brasilian Lebanese you posted, I don't know, I suspect most of them are Catholics though so I don't see why the would not fall into the same category of people I described.

Most Lebanese here are Catholics (Maronites), yeah, and many aren't really born in Brazil or mixed with non-Lebanese. Many of the ones in the OP are first generation Lebanese with no known other ancestry. Genetics doesn't support the idea Catholic Lebanese are mixed with recent Europeans, quite the contrary actually, Lebanese Muslims are the ones scoring more European.

A good portion of cities in my region have old shop owners and merchants who are actual Lebanese born in Lebanon. One of my best friends is of Lebanese descent and all his 4 grandparents were Christians from the Levant and he does look passable in Southern Europe. Most of them blend quite well with White Brazilians (who are not ''exotic'' looking on average, I'd say even less exotic than some people posted here from the shores of the Mediterranean) and are generally considered White not only in Brazil but also in USA.

[Cristiano viejo]

These are Brazilians with Lebanese surnames and they look Western Euro. So what?

I can't talk about Lebanese people as a whole, but the ones I see here don't look that different from South Euros (and keep in mind Brazil has more Lebanese than Lebanon).
Yourself are claiming Lebanese in Brazil intermixed a lot with Iberians, so having Lebanese surnames does not make them pure Lebanese, idk if you know what I am trying to say.