Article 7: Height-Length Index

[Joso]

This index measures the skull height in relation to skull length. We recognize:

Chamaecranic skull( low, 69,9 and less): Nowadays very unusual. Neandhertal people used to have this type of skull, mainly because the lenght of their skull was quite significant. Nowadays we can find it on baskids, keltic nordids, hallstatt nordids, gracile-meds, some alpines, some Siberian people (mongoloid phenotype), some khoids( capoids), berbers, assyroid, southern Australian phenotypes.

Orthocranic skull( medium-high, 70 - 74,9): The most usual form of skull in the current world. Vast majority of African phenotypes, some alpines, some mediterranids, majority of Australian phenotypes, northern Amerindians, orientalid phenotypes, Indian phenotypes.

Hypsicranic skull( high, 75 and more): Corded nordids, baltids, some mongoloid phenotypes( like huanghoid), some northern amerindians, southern amerindians, central-african phenotypes, iranids, armenoids, some dinarids.
https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51758553_2100094513370693_694154388201013248_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeG8AaUFljf3iMF1vEZML4psfuZ9oRq-w9i5X50Za0drzicG4Aong4FsnPZN1QK5OkFNzwggJiJfR9JV9r TGkBdTX1ijOupfSrb7_A3YrGP7nQ&_nc_ht=scontent-gru2-1.xx&oh=320008c40468ee2a91548fec0bbc4874&oe=5D241E0D

[Impaler]

Yes, I have a Hypsicranic skull.

[Joso]

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[Knight Slayer]

Orthocranic looks best. All the best looking men are that.

[PT Tagus]

Orthocranic?

https://i.imgur.com/wfKTENP.jpg?1

[Joso]

Orthocranic?

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Looks chamaecranic to me

[Regnera]

I guess my skull is Orthocranic

[Zroota]

Funny, most Assyrians/Assyroids are somewhere between orthocranic and hypsicranic (this one due to Armenoid admixture). An Assyrian with a chamaecranic skull would look really out of place and odd.

My skull is also orthocranic.

[Joso]

Orthocranic?

[IMG]


Looks chamaecranic to me

But yes, could be slightly orthocranic, i still learning about it :p

[barkoo]

Orthocranic it seems.

[Ülev]

.....

[Moje ime]

It seems I'm in hypsicranic range.

[Ülev]

Chamaecranic skull 69 :rolleyes:

according to that map I have to move to North Russia or Arabian Peninsula, I prefer the second option
http://humanphenotypes.net/metrics/heightlengthindex.html

[Ford]

I'm orthocranic

[Dorian]

Noob's observations:
We tend to relate pure dolichocephals with the chamaecranic profile but it also says alpines/baskids/mongoloids etc have it or the hypsicranic profile is going to be seen by most as brachycephalic profile(mongoloid/dinaric/armenoid).
ALSO another thing I've seen is that there are long-skulls BUT their longest point is around an area shown in the hypsicranic example(meaning higher-positioned) while others have long-skulls but it's lower(like where the horizontal line of chamaecranic example ends) (ask me for examples if you don't get it)
That makes me wonder if two chamaecranics(a med and alpine let's say)have more in common than two meds/two alpines themselves of different "cranic index".
What if this index is more imporant than the cephalic one?like a chamaecranic gracile-med for example mixes with a larger brachycephal and the result is a chamaecranic-looking brachycephal,we will just use this hybrid as an example of alpine due to the CI.

[Moje ime]

Noob's observations:
We tend to relate pure dolichocephals with the chamaecranic profile but it also says alpines/baskids/mongoloids etc have it or the hypsicranic profile is going to be seen by most as brachycephalic profile(mongoloid/dinaric/armenoid).
ALSO another thing I've seen is that there are long-skulls BUT their longest point is around an area shown in the hypsicranic example(meaning higher-positioned) while others have long-skulls but it's lower(like where the horizontal line of chamaecranic example ends) (ask me for examples if you don't get it)
That makes me wonder if two chamaecranics(a med and alpine let's say)have more in common than two meds/two alpines themselves of different "cranic index".
What if this index is more imporant than the cephalic one?like a chamaecranic gracile-med for example mixes with a larger brachycephal and the result is a chamaecranic-looking brachycephal,we will just use this hybrid as an example of alpine due to the CI.

I ask you for examples. :)

It seems I'm in hypsicranic range (75), but I don't have flat occiput.

[Joso]

Noob's observations:
We tend to relate pure dolichocephals with the chamaecranic profile but it also says alpines/baskids/mongoloids etc have it or the hypsicranic profile is going to be seen by most as brachycephalic profile(mongoloid/dinaric/armenoid).
ALSO another thing I've seen is that there are long-skulls BUT their longest point is around an area shown in the hypsicranic example(meaning higher-positioned) while others have long-skulls but it's lower(like where the horizontal line of chamaecranic example ends) (ask me for examples if you don't get it)
That makes me wonder if two chamaecranics(a med and alpine let's say)have more in common than two meds/two alpines themselves of different "cranic index".
What if this index is more imporant than the cephalic one?like a chamaecranic gracile-med for example mixes with a larger brachycephal and the result is a chamaecranic-looking brachycephal,we will just use this hybrid as an example of alpine due to the CI.

Good point, i was wondering that some time ago too... Cephalic index can change in some generations and it is not a genetic trait according to the member Token, if i understood it right. While the vault doesn't seen to change much. The fact that some types like baskids and keltic nordids are brachy or meso but still very chamaecranic is strange to me.

[Kaspias]

Orthocranic

[Dorian]

Good point, i was wondering that some time ago too... Cephalic index can change in some generations and it is not a genetic trait according to the member Token, if i understood it right. While the vault doesn't seen to change much. The fact that some brachycephalic types like baskids and keltic nordids are brachy or meso but still very chamaecranic is strange to me.

Exactly you can see this even in the hyperdolichocephalic africans and the opposite thing in hyberbrachycephalic east asians that some times they don't fit this stereotype.

[Dorian]

I ask you for examples. :)

It seems I'm in hypsicranic range (75), but I don't have flat occiput.

The 1st is an extreme example but easier to make the point with.

https://i.postimg.cc/Df5Y8rr3/aa.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Joso]

The 1st is an extreme example but easier to make the point with.

https://i.postimg.cc/Df5Y8rr3/aa.png (https://postimages.org/)

Which phenotype would be the guy one the left guy?

[Moje ime]

Which phenotype would be the guy one the left guy?

Photoshopid. xD

[Dorian]

Which phenotype would be the guy one the left guy?

I thought you saw the thread :p

Photoshopid. xD

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273908-Classify-Greek

[Joso]

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[Joso]

Good point, i was wondering that some time ago too... Cephalic index can change in some generations and it is not a genetic trait according to the member Token, if i understood it right. While the vault doesn't seen to change much. The fact that some types like baskids and keltic nordids are brachy or meso but still very chamaecranic is strange to me.

Correction: I wanted to say that it is strange that baskids and keltic nordids are meso and brachy but still have very low vault. They are not necessarly chamaecranic, i think.

[Ülev]

Chamaecranic skull 69 :rolleyes:

according to that map I have to move to North Russia or Arabian Peninsula, I prefer the second option
http://humanphenotypes.net/metrics/heightlengthindex.html

but this Dinka noble man, probably with A y-dna, has definitely Chamaecranic skull too
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/NSRW_Africa_Dinka.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinka_people

[17] Dinka (Sudan) 62%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA)

[Joso]

but this Dinka noble man, probably with A y-dna, has definitely Chamaecranic skull too
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/NSRW_Africa_Dinka.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinka_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA)

He look almost orthocranic to me, idk

[Ülev]

He look almost orthocranic to me, idk

my home made measure (scaled image) makes me think he is (was) still Chamaecranic, lol
860 mm / 599 mm = 69,7

https://a.uguu.se/hB2p8uBTi76w_Dinka.jpg

[Joso]

my home made measure (scaled image) makes me think he is (was) still Chamaecranic, lol
860 mm / 599 mm = 69,7

https://a.uguu.se/hB2p8uBTi76w_Dinka.jpg

Great! How did you get the conclusion that these are his metrics?

[Ülev]

Great! How did you get the conclusion that these are his metrics?
:confused:
Height-Length Index measures the skull height in relation to skull length. Chamaecranic skulls are characterised by the skull height reaching less than 70 percent of the skull length.

[Joso]

:confused:
Height-Length Index measures the skull height in relation to skull length. Chamaecranic skulls are characterised by the skull height reaching less than 70 percent of the skull length.

I know but what i meant is how you could get his metrics only looking at his photo. Is he from some anthropologic work that provided his metrics?

[Ülev]

I know but that i meant is how you could get his metrics only looking at his photo. Is he from some anthropologic work that provided his metrics?

that's profile shot, I think quite accurate, lol
I was measured, but I compared with my photos and results are the same

[Joso]

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[Snkves]

My Height-Length Index is around 63.85, so Chamaecranic.

https://i.imgur.com/mgtBr6P.jpg

[Pater Patota]

I’m hypsicranic, I classify myself as Anatolid-Armenoid-Alpinid or Dinarid.My head and face is long but I got a extremely flat occiput.

[Dr_Maul]

I guess I'm in the 75 range, I almost made it :(

[Friedrich Ulrich]

Mine is looks ortho

[Friedrich Ulrich]

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Your skull looks ortho too good pheno bro

[Jingle Bell]

I think i am Orthocranic maybe