Sandzakian gedmatch results

[Ayetooey]

Found this guy, seems to be Sandzakian from Montenegro based off his name; half his top matches are Albanians, the rest Bosniaks. If anyone wants to do a k15 map feel free, from what I could gather the guy plots with romanians, but slightly to the east.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.7
2 North_Atlantic 22.39
3 West_Med 19.84
4 East_Med 14.73
5 West_Asian 12
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 East_Asian 1.01
8 Amerindian 0.35
9 Sub-Saharan 0.1
10 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.78
2 Bulgarian 5.52
3 Serbian 6.35
4 Moldavian 9.86
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.77
6 Croatian 12.84
7 Hungarian 13.58
8 Austrian 15.97
9 North_Italian 16.74
10 Tuscan 17.42
11 East_German 17.59
12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.84
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.1
14 Central_Greek 19.35
15 South_Polish 20.27
16 West_German 20.27
17 West_Sicilian 20.3
18 French 20.33
19 Ukrainian 20.55
20 East_Sicilian 20.63


k15


Population
North_Sea 10.69 Pct
Atlantic 16.79 Pct
Baltic 18.72 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.53 Pct
West_Med 14.51 Pct
West_Asian 11.80 Pct
East_Med 12.11 Pct
Red_Sea 3.52 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.15
2 Romanian 5.89
3 Serbian 8.64
4 Moldavian 10.34
5 Croatian 11.39
6 Greek 12.5
7 Austrian 13.21
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.38
9 Hungarian 14.24
10 Tuscan 16.34
11 North_Italian 16.72
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.76
13 Italian_Abruzzo 17.76
14 East_German 17.84
15 South_Polish 18.04
16 Central_Greek 18.35
17 Ashkenazi 18.47
18 Ukrainian 18.72
19 East_Sicilian 19.22
20 West_Sicilian

[Pribislav]

Do you have K36 and K12b dodecad, and do you know his y dna?

[Ayetooey]

Do you have K36 and K12b dodecad, and do you know his y dna?

No clue about Y dna, it isn't posted and he seemed to of tested with ancestry.

k12b

Gedrosia 4.47 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.39 Pct
North_European 35.36 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 4.46
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.71
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.2
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.19
5 Hungarians (Behar) 14.91
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.99
7 Greek (Dodecad) 17.9
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.42
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.75
10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.32
11 German (Dodecad) 19.62
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
13 French (Dodecad) 22.39
14 French (HGDP) 22.48
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.83
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 24.43
17 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.63
18 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.65
19 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 24.86
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 25.02

k36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.67 Pct
Armenian 4.30 Pct
Basque 3.90 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.41 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.07 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 13.52 Pct
East_Med 6.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.39 Pct
French 4.15 Pct
Iberian 2.74 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.54 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.15 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.63 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.79 Pct
North_Sea 2.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.67 Pct
West_Med 6.18 Pct

[Pribislav]

No clue about Y dna, it isn't posted and he seemed to of tested with ancestry.

k12b

Gedrosia 4.47 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.39 Pct
North_European 35.36 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 4.46
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.71
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.2
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.19
5 Hungarians (Behar) 14.91
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.99
7 Greek (Dodecad) 17.9
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.42
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.75
10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.32
11 German (Dodecad) 19.62
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
13 French (Dodecad) 22.39
14 French (HGDP) 22.48
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.83
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 24.43
17 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.63
18 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.65
19 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 24.86
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 25.02

k36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.67 Pct
Armenian 4.30 Pct
Basque 3.90 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.41 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.07 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 13.52 Pct
East_Med 6.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.39 Pct
French 4.15 Pct
Iberian 2.74 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.54 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.15 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.63 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.79 Pct
North_Sea 2.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.67 Pct
West_Med 6.18 Pct

It would be interesting to see K36 map. CommonSense can do it.

From these calculators looks like he is little more southern ploting than Orthodox Montenegrins.

[Dick]

Found this guy, seems to be Sandzakian from Montenegro based off his name; half his top matches are Albanians, the rest Bosniaks. If anyone wants to do a k15 map feel free, from what I could gather the guy plots with romanians, but slightly to the east.


https://i.imgur.com/4SevngL.png

[CommonSense]

Oddly, he is similar to the guy from Prijepolje that Ford posted, but not to my match from the same area (Montenegrin Sandzak) who plots to the northwest and very close to our average. He's about half way between Serbs and Gheg Albanians, just a bit to the east.

[Pribislav]

No clue about Y dna, it isn't posted and he seemed to of tested with ancestry.

k12b

Gedrosia 4.47 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.39 Pct
North_European 35.36 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 4.46
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.71
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.2
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.19
5 Hungarians (Behar) 14.91
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.99
7 Greek (Dodecad) 17.9
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.42
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.75
10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.32
11 German (Dodecad) 19.62
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
13 French (Dodecad) 22.39
14 French (HGDP) 22.48
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.83
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 24.43
17 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.63
18 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.65
19 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 24.86
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 25.02

k36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.67 Pct
Armenian 4.30 Pct
Basque 3.90 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.41 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.07 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 13.52 Pct
East_Med 6.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.39 Pct
French 4.15 Pct
Iberian 2.74 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.54 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.15 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.63 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.79 Pct
North_Sea 2.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.67 Pct
West_Med 6.18 Pct

He has exotic influence on K36 such as Armenian, Arabian and Near_Eastern.

This is how real Serbian K36 looks (without this exotic craps as this Sandzakian Muslim have) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results&p=5812125&viewfull=1#post5812125

[Bosniensis]

Mediterranean Paleo-Balkan people, Romania, Serbia and parts of Bosnia are autosomaly really similar.

[Pribislav]

Mediterranean Paleo-Balkan people, Romania, Serbia and parts of Bosnia are autosomaly really similar.

You confuse Serbs with Greeks, Albanians and Sandžakians.

Average Serb is 30% Baltic and 25% North_Atlantic on K13. With 55% northern dna is not possible to be pred. Med or paleo-Balkanite genetically.

[Ayetooey]

He has exotic influence on K36 such as Armenian, Arabian and Near_Eastern.

This is how real Serbian K36 looks (without this exotic craps as this Sandzakian Muslim have) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277615-Krajina-Serb-(from-Banija)-results&p=5812125&viewfull=1#post5812125

Indeed. I'm going to aim to find a Sandzakian from Novi Pazar now. Such a result would be the most exotic in my opinion.

[Bosniensis]

You confuse Serbs with Greeks, Albanians and Sandžakians.

Average Serb is 30% Baltic and 25% North_Atlantic on K13. With 55% northern dna is not possible to be pred. Med or paleo-Balkanite genetically.

Baltic was present on Balkans and Italy even before Eastern European migrations.

Brescia 1900 B.C.

Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T319214
K15:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 45.54
2 Atlantic 30.69
3 East_Med 9.48
4 Baltic 6.11
5 Red_Sea 5.08
6 North_Sea 1.76
7 Sub-Saharan 1.34
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If Northern Italy had 6.11% Can you Imagine how much Baltic people in Iron Age Serbia had? Of Course at least 15%+

[Pribislav]

Baltic was present on Balkans and Italy even before Eastern European migrations.

Brescia 1900 B.C.

Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T319214
K15:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 45.54
2 Atlantic 30.69
3 East_Med 9.48
4 Baltic 6.11
5 Red_Sea 5.08
6 North_Sea 1.76
7 Sub-Saharan 1.34
----------------------------------------

If Northern Italy had 6.11% Can you Imagine how much Baltic people in Iron Age Serbia had? Of Course at least 15%+

Whathever, Serbs are more than half northerners autosomally (Baltic + North_Atlantic). Compare with Greeks (they have Slavic input)...

Dick is 59% Baltic + North Atlantic, if I'm not wrong.
Krajina Serb from Banija whose results I posted is 62% Baltic + North_Atlantic (33.25% Baltic, and 28.71% North_Atlantic).

[Ayetooey]

Whathever, Serbs are more than half northerners autosomally (Baltic + North_Atlantic). Compare with Greeks (they have Slavic input)...

Dick is 59% Baltic + North Atlantic, if I'm not wrong.
Krajina Serb from Banija whose results I posted is 62% Baltic + North_Atlantic (33.25% Baltic, and 28.71% North_Atlantic).

I agree that most of this comes from Slavic input, but Galerius has a point that some of this could of come from iron age people (Illyrians, Thracians etc), Iron age Illyrian sample that Dick has posted was predominantly northern genetically. Most of the southern input in south Slavs comes from bronze age people; northern input from Iron age settlers as well as Slavs is likely.

[Bosniensis]

Whathever, Serbs are more than half northerners autosomally (Baltic + North_Atlantic). Compare with Greeks (they have Slavic input)...

Dick is 59% Baltic + North Atlantic, if I'm not wrong.
Krajina Serb from Banija whose results I posted is 62% Baltic + North_Atlantic (33.25% Baltic, and 28.71% North_Atlantic).

Nope you are Wrong.

Brescia 1900 B.C. (K13)

1 West_Med 49.97
2 North_Atlantic 27.27
3 East_Med 14.28
4 Red_Sea 4.23
5 Baltic 2.99

Serbian 2019 A.D

1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.08
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 15.28
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 South_Asian 1.98
7 Red_Sea 1.4

LET'S DO MATH: (Calculate all Admixture that is within Italian one)

West Med 16.52 + East Med 14.28 (cause italian is a bit lower) + North Atlantic 25.08 + 1.4 Red_Sea + 2.99 Baltic (cause italian is lower, ILLYRIAN would be WAY bigger) = 60.27%

It would be 75% if we compared with 1900 B.C. Balkan! So Serbia is way closer to Paleo Balkan people not Russians!

Also Imagine correction of 1900 B.C. to 0 A.D for example wow...

[Pribislav]

I agree that most of this comes from Slavic input, but Galerius has a point that some of this could of come from iron age people (Illyrians, Thracians etc), Iron age Illyrian sample that Dick has posted was predominantly northern genetically. Most of the southern input in south Slavs comes from bronze age people; northern input from Iron age settlers as well as Slavs is likely.

Proto-Illyrians and proto-Thracians (R1) were northerners. Sample from Montenegro 3000 years old autosomally is the closest to modern Russians and Ukrainians.
Proto-Illyrians/Thracians came to Balkans in 12th century BC. For 1700 years in Balkans (until Slavs came) they mixed with paleo-Balanites (J2, E-V13) and when Slavs arrived Balkanites were already Medish people long time ago with very little northern dna from proto-Illyrian/Thracian invaders in 12th century BC.

[Ryuk]

Brescia 1900 B.C. (K13)

1 West_Med 49.97
2 North_Atlantic 27.27
3 East_Med 14.28
4 Red_Sea 4.23
5 Baltic 2.99

Serbian 2019 A.D

1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.08
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 15.28
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 South_Asian 1.98
7 Red_Sea 1.4



Where is baltic cluster in paleo-balkan,just %2 and West Med cluster down sharply in Serbian.

Also Darth Bosniensis is that you.

[Bosniensis]

Where is baltic cluster in paleo-balkan.
Also Darth Bosniensis is that you.

No, I am not him even though everyone asks me.

I was using common sense, that if Northern Italy had 6% Baltic according to samples, then because of Geography paleo-balkan people would have at least 10%-15%

[Ayetooey]

No, I am not him even though everyone asks me.

I was using common sense, that if Northern Italy had 6% Baltic according to samples, then because of Geography paleo-balkan people would have at least 10%-15%
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQim8jF92GCemcth23CXpPuhjw2FLDcg UJ2Q21-nd6dFoTGWYK_GQ

[Pribislav]

No, I am not him even though everyone asks me.

I was using common sense, that if Northern Italy had 6% Baltic according to samples, then because of Geography paleo-balkan people would have at least 10%-15%

Бишћанине провидан си!

Шта ћеш ако те неко од Румуна пита нешто на румунском? :)

[Leto]

Galerius is Roman, he isn't Bosnian.

[Bosniensis]

Бишћанине провидан си!

Шта ћеш ако те неко од Румуна пита нешто на румунском? :)

We don't use Cyrillic in Romania any more. Try talking with someone from Moldavia instead.

[Pribislav]

We don't use Cyrillic in Romania any more. Try talking with someone from Moldavia instead.

:1127:

[Ayetooey]

We don't use Cyrillic in Romania any more. Try talking with someone from Moldavia instead.

https://media.giphy.com/media/AKx7T8oc0Ov2o/giphy.gif

[Ford]

This guy gotta have some gypsy admixture, right? I found him among my matches and he has a Bosniak first name and some surname I've never heard of, although it kinda sounds like Albanian. Don't know if he's from Sandžak but I'll put his K15 here for your opinions.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 21.04
2 East_Med 15.81
3 Baltic 13.5
4 West_Med 12.09
5 West_Asian 10.78
6 North_Sea 8.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.82
8 South_Asian 6.7
9 Red_Sea 2.46
10 Siberian 1.34
11 Southeast_Asian 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.97
2 Romanian 10.07
3 Greek 11.18
4 Serbian 12.52
5 Greek_Thessaly 13.12
6 Tuscan 13.34
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.33
8 North_Italian 14.54
9 West_Sicilian 15.13
10 Central_Greek 16.04
11 Austrian 16.05
12 Ashkenazi 16.28
13 East_Sicilian 16.48
14 Moldavian 16.93
15 Croatian 17.4
16 South_Italian 18.41
17 Hungarian 18.55
18 Spanish_Andalucia 18.83
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.24
20 Spanish_Murcia 19.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Bulgarian + 7.9% Chamar @ 6.59
2 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 6.6
3 92.2% Bulgarian + 7.8% Sakilli @ 6.61
4 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.63
5 92.1% Bulgarian + 7.9% Piramalai @ 6.65
6 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Kurumba @ 6.66
7 91.8% Bulgarian + 8.2% North_Kannadi @ 6.68
8 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Dusadh @ 6.68
9 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Velamas @ 6.68
10 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Dharkar @ 6.7
11 91.3% Bulgarian + 8.7% Kanjar @ 6.71
12 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Kol @ 6.74
13 90.4% Bulgarian + 9.6% Bangladeshi @ 6.79
14 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 6.89
15 90% Bulgarian + 10% Brahmin_UP @ 6.89
16 90.6% Bulgarian + 9.4% Kshatriya @ 6.89
17 90.8% Bulgarian + 9.2% Gujarati @ 7.03
18 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Sindhi @ 7.34
19 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 7.54
20 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Pathan @ 7.65

[CommonSense]

This guy gotta have some gypsy admixture, right? I found him among my matches and he has a Bosniak first name and some surname I've never heard of, although it kinda sounds like Albanian. Don't know if he's from Sandžak but I'll put his K15 here for your opinions.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 21.04
2 East_Med 15.81
3 Baltic 13.5
4 West_Med 12.09
5 West_Asian 10.78
6 North_Sea 8.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.82
8 South_Asian 6.7
9 Red_Sea 2.46
10 Siberian 1.34
11 Southeast_Asian 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.97
2 Romanian 10.07
3 Greek 11.18
4 Serbian 12.52
5 Greek_Thessaly 13.12
6 Tuscan 13.34
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.33
8 North_Italian 14.54
9 West_Sicilian 15.13
10 Central_Greek 16.04
11 Austrian 16.05
12 Ashkenazi 16.28
13 East_Sicilian 16.48
14 Moldavian 16.93
15 Croatian 17.4
16 South_Italian 18.41
17 Hungarian 18.55
18 Spanish_Andalucia 18.83
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.24
20 Spanish_Murcia 19.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Bulgarian + 7.9% Chamar @ 6.59
2 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 6.6
3 92.2% Bulgarian + 7.8% Sakilli @ 6.61
4 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.63
5 92.1% Bulgarian + 7.9% Piramalai @ 6.65
6 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Kurumba @ 6.66
7 91.8% Bulgarian + 8.2% North_Kannadi @ 6.68
8 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Dusadh @ 6.68
9 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Velamas @ 6.68
10 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Dharkar @ 6.7
11 91.3% Bulgarian + 8.7% Kanjar @ 6.71
12 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Kol @ 6.74
13 90.4% Bulgarian + 9.6% Bangladeshi @ 6.79
14 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 6.89
15 90% Bulgarian + 10% Brahmin_UP @ 6.89
16 90.6% Bulgarian + 9.4% Kshatriya @ 6.89
17 90.8% Bulgarian + 9.2% Gujarati @ 7.03
18 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Sindhi @ 7.34
19 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 7.54
20 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Pathan @ 7.65

Seems to be 1/4 Gypsy based on the results. They get modelled as Balkanite/Greek + Indian, but the pure ones have a way higher Indian percentage than this guy.

[Pribislav]

This guy gotta have some gypsy admixture, right? I found him among my matches and he has a Bosniak first name and some surname I've never heard of, although it kinda sounds like Albanian. Don't know if he's from Sandžak but I'll put his K15 here for your opinions.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 21.04
2 East_Med 15.81
3 Baltic 13.5
4 West_Med 12.09
5 West_Asian 10.78
6 North_Sea 8.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.82
8 South_Asian 6.7
9 Red_Sea 2.46
10 Siberian 1.34
11 Southeast_Asian 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.97
2 Romanian 10.07
3 Greek 11.18
4 Serbian 12.52
5 Greek_Thessaly 13.12
6 Tuscan 13.34
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.33
8 North_Italian 14.54
9 West_Sicilian 15.13
10 Central_Greek 16.04
11 Austrian 16.05
12 Ashkenazi 16.28
13 East_Sicilian 16.48
14 Moldavian 16.93
15 Croatian 17.4
16 South_Italian 18.41
17 Hungarian 18.55
18 Spanish_Andalucia 18.83
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.24
20 Spanish_Murcia 19.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Bulgarian + 7.9% Chamar @ 6.59
2 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Chenchu @ 6.6
3 92.2% Bulgarian + 7.8% Sakilli @ 6.61
4 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.63
5 92.1% Bulgarian + 7.9% Piramalai @ 6.65
6 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Kurumba @ 6.66
7 91.8% Bulgarian + 8.2% North_Kannadi @ 6.68
8 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Dusadh @ 6.68
9 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Velamas @ 6.68
10 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Dharkar @ 6.7
11 91.3% Bulgarian + 8.7% Kanjar @ 6.71
12 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Kol @ 6.74
13 90.4% Bulgarian + 9.6% Bangladeshi @ 6.79
14 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 6.89
15 90% Bulgarian + 10% Brahmin_UP @ 6.89
16 90.6% Bulgarian + 9.4% Kshatriya @ 6.89
17 90.8% Bulgarian + 9.2% Gujarati @ 7.03
18 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Sindhi @ 7.34
19 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 7.54
20 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Pathan @ 7.65

Might be Sandžakian.

I have seen Gypsies in Novi Pazar.
Novi Pazar Gypsies are Muslims, and for sure some Sandžakians were mixed with them.

[Leto]

You guys need to run him through Dod K12b and Harappa, they usually lower the SA percentage by half or even more.

[Pribislav]

Sandžakian imam Ferid Bulić. Gypsy admixed or just ordinary Sandžakian (Albanian-Montenegrin-Anatolian hybrid), I don't know.

http://sandzakpress.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ferid-bulic-2.jpg

[Leto]

He looks West Asian, would fit as far as Kurdistan and Azerbaijan. In his case Islam did make him swarthy and woggish :lol:

[Pribislav]

He looks West Asian, would fit as far as Kurdistan and Azerbaijan. In his case Islam did make him swarthy and woggish :lol:

Sandžakians are most woggish Southwest Slavic speakers. Islam created them as wogs. They are sad hybrids of Albanians, Montenegrins and Anatolians/West Asians.

Native medieval Serbs of Raška (Sandžak) mass migrated in few waves towards the north and northwest from 15th to late 17th century. Their descandants can be found among Vojvodinian Serbs, Krajina Serbs, Slavonian Serbs and among some Hungarians and Croatians.

[Ayetooey]

Sandžakians are most woggish Southwest Slavic speakers. Islam created them as wogs. They are sad hybrids of Albanians, Montenegrins and Anatolians/West Asians.

Native medieval Serbs of Raška (Sandžak) mass migrated in few waves towards the north and northwest from 15th to late 17th century. Their descandants can be found among Vojvodinian Serbs, Krajina Serbs, Slavonian Serbs and among some Hungarians and Croatians.

What is the origin of Serbs still in Sandzak, in places like Priboj?

[Teutonski]

muuuuuuftiiiiiiiiiiiiii inshallaaaah bosssssniaaaaaa



https://youtu.be/SQudtBQSOQ4

[Pribislav]

What is the origin of Serbs still in Sandzak, in places like Priboj?

Old Herzegovina (western Montenegro) mostly, from late 17th to 19th century.

Drobnjaks are quite numerous in Prijepolje area. In Prijepolje municipality 25% of Serbs carry Drobnjak I1-P109.

[Leto]

Sandžakians are most woggish Southwest Slavic speakers. Islam created them as wogs. They are sad hybrids of Albanians, Montenegrins and Anatolians/West Asians.

Native medieval Serbs of Raška (Sandžak) mass migrated in few waves towards the north and northwest from 15th to late 17th century. Their descandants can be found among Vojvodinian Serbs, Krajina Serbs, Slavonian Serbs and among some Hungarians and Croatians.
But normal Bosniaks in BiH look like this former TA member Hrulj. He was a rabid hater of Serbs, Slavs and Christians (considered himself Illyrian)
https://ibb.co/YDJbGKx

[CommonSense]

Haplogroup map of the Bosniak DNA Project:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1OsAy-5BiJzGcHTEtF-00FYJsjwM&ll=44.03054322207047%2C18.29739292948534&z=8&fbclid=IwAR260hwzucdd3IZpraAjSgA7130n08-A4DNS1L8-f63R9A1cwMBVrcj1IoU

If you click on each circle, you'll be able to see the tested man's surname, known clade and the claimed tribe or place of origin. We can see that Prijepolje, Pljevlja and Bijelo Polje have vastly different Y-DNA compared to other parts of Sandzak, where the paternal descent is mainly from North Albanian tribes or the Kuči.

[Dick]

What is the origin of Serbs still in Sandzak, in places like Priboj?

We wuz Goths n shiet

https://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1745374-svaki-cetvrti-stanovnik-prijepolja-je-viking-proverite-koje-je-vase-pravo-poreklo

[Bosniensis]

must marry sanjak girl

[Ayetooey]

must marry sanjak girl

Would this one do? http://sandzakpress.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/burqa_epa_main.jpg

[Bosniensis]

Would this one do? http://sandzakpress.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/burqa_epa_main.jpg

funny... that one is yours, nobody here marry abominations like that we are not mena people.

[Teutonski]

funny... that one is yours, nobody here marry abominations like that we are not mena people.

bosniensis you gotta be more subtile, we dont want you to be banned.

[Bosniensis]

bosniensis you gotta be more subtile, we dont want you to be banned.

I am not Bosniensis

[Teutonski]

I am not Bosniensis

Yes, this way noone will find out!

[Pribislav]

But normal Bosniaks in BiH look like this former TA member Hrulj. He was a rabid hater of Serbs, Slavs and Christians (considered himself Illyrian)
https://ibb.co/YDJbGKx

Bosniaks on average are Slav haters, Serb haters, Russian haters, Orthodoxy haters, lovers of Turks and even Arabs... Vlatko Vukovic's attitudes are very rare among Bosniaks.
I remember Bosniensis who said "Orthodox Serbs called Russian Mongols that together kill Muslim Serbs (aka Bosniaks)." :picard1:

Girl with Hrulj looks Sandžakian.

[Ayetooey]

Bosniaks on average are Slav haters, Serb haters, Russian haters, Orthodoxy haters, lovers of Turks and even Arabs... Vlatko Vukovic's attitudes are very rare among Bosniaks.
I remember Bosniensis who said "Orthodox Serbs called Russian Mongols that together kill Muslim Serbs (aka Bosniaks)." :picard1:

Girl with Hrulj looks Sandžakian.

Sandzakians move into Bosnia and have many children; Bosniak average will become more "illyrian" over time.

[Pribislav]

Haplogroup map of the Bosniak DNA Project:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1OsAy-5BiJzGcHTEtF-00FYJsjwM&ll=44.03054322207047%2C18.29739292948534&z=8&fbclid=IwAR260hwzucdd3IZpraAjSgA7130n08-A4DNS1L8-f63R9A1cwMBVrcj1IoU

If you click on each circle, you'll be able to see the tested man's surname, known clade and the claimed tribe or place of origin. We can see that Prijepolje, Pljevlja and Bijelo Polje have vastly different Y-DNA compared to other parts of Sandzak, where the paternal descent is mainly from North Albanian tribes or the Kuči.

Sandžakians turned "Sandžakian DNA project" to "Bosniak DNA project." They included some Bosnian-Herzegovinian Muslims in project to neutralize high similarity in y dna with Albanians.

2 strongest haplos among BiH Muslims are I2a and R1a, and 2 strongest haplos among Sandžakian Muslims are E-V13 and R1b-BY611.

[Bosniensis]

Bosniaks on average are Slav haters, Serb haters, Russian haters, Orthodoxy haters, lovers of Turks and even Arabs... Vlatko Vukovic's attitudes are very rare among Bosniaks.
I remember Bosniensis who said "Orthodox Serbs called Russian Mongols that together kill Muslim Serbs (aka Bosniaks)." :picard1:

Girl with Hrulj looks Sandžakian.

That is absolute truth.

Putin narrow-eyed army killing muslims of Belgrade, I would be ashamed for eternity.

"Liberation of Belgrade from Turks"

hahahhahaa

Now you need to liberate Sanjak from "barbarian Sanjak people" I suggest calling brothers Chinese to help you.

[Bosniensis]

Sandzakians move into Bosnia and have many children; Bosniak average will become more "illyrian" over time.

And Serbs will become Putin like over time.

[Ayetooey]

And Serbs will become Putin like over time.

Perhaps. But Serbs and Bosniaks (from Bosnia) are the same people separated by religion, and have more in common with each other than Putin or with Sandzakians.

[Pribislav]

That is absolute truth.

Putin narrow-eyed army killing muslims of Belgrade, I would be ashamed for eternity.

"Liberation of Belgrade from Turks"

hahahhahaa

Now you need to liberate Sanjak from "barbarian Sanjak people" I suggest calling brothers Chinese to help you.

Sandžakians are foreigners of non-Serbian blood, and pretty pan-Islamic population. They will be remove from Raška sooner or later as Albanians from Kosovo. Anatolia is promised land for Sandžakians.

[Teutonski]

OT

But anyone else here came to the conclusion that the Ottoman Empire was the natural heir of the Roman Empire?

[Ford]

OT

But anyone else here came to the conclusion that the Ottoman Empire was the natural heir of the Roman Empire?

Yes, as the equivalent of a mentally challenged person.

[Pribislav]

That is absolute truth.

Putin narrow-eyed army killing muslims of Belgrade, I would be ashamed for eternity.

"Liberation of Belgrade from Turks"

hahahhahaa

Now you need to liberate Sanjak from "barbarian Sanjak people" I suggest calling brothers Chinese to help you.

Putin is great leader and vast majority of Serbs like Putin!

[Voskos]

Janissaries.

[Bosniensis]

Putin is great leader and vast majority of Serbs like Putin!

Putin is a Mongol, a non-European.

An Average Turk is 10.000x more European than Vladimir Putin.

[Ayetooey]

Putin is a Mongol, a non-European.

An Average Turk is 10.000x more European than Vladimir Putin.

Putin is Slavic, with finno ugric likely; he is not a mongol.

[Pribislav]

There is no need for dna. This video with Sandžakians from Pešter is enough evidence that they have nothing to do with BiH Muslims https://youtu.be/irVnLApnpIE

Vast majority Pešter Muslims are Albanian Kelmendi settlers from 18th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pešter

[Bosniensis]

OT

But anyone else here came to the conclusion that the Ottoman Empire was the natural heir of the Roman Empire?

No. Putin and Charlemagne are.

Please teach us European culture.

[Bosniensis]

There is no need for dna. This video with Sandžakians from Pešter is enough evidence that they have nothing to do with BiH Muslims https://youtu.be/irVnLApnpIE

Vast majority Pešter Muslims are Albanian Kelmendi settlers from 18th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pešter

Like DNA is something of Value for average Serb?

Srebrenica people were from Šumadija yet thousands womens and children died "to liberate a city for Serbian people"

Why do you care if it's E1b or I2 ... you have already banished and murdered so much Serbs in Serbia that's frightening to mention.

[Teutonski]

No. Putin and Charlemagne are.

Please teach us European culture.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRHRM5pV--COUA-aaEaayhesLtk5WVUbBS9y2RVvIE23_ieJG41

[Leto]

Bosniensis is soon gonna be banned again...

[Voskos]

These sandzak people must combine , i assume the finesse of the gopnik and the civilization of the turk?

[Pribislav]

Like DNA is something of Value for average Serb?

Srebrenica people were from Šumadija yet thousands womens and children died "to liberate a city for Serbian people"

Why do you care if it's E1b or I2 ... you have already banished and murdered so much Serbs in Serbia that's frightening to mention.

Srebrenica Muslims are Muslim Serbs, they came to Srebrenica in year 1861 from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Užice

Srebrenica 1995 is operation created by Bill Clinton and Alija Izetbegović, as excuse for bombing Republika Srpska.

[Bosniensis]

Srebrenica Muslims are Muslim Serbs, they came to Srebrenica in year 1861 from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Užice

Srebrenica 1995 is operation created by Bill Clinton and Alija Izetbegović, as excuse for bombing Republika Srpska.

There are living Serbs (executors) who killed 500+ people themselves without counting others.

1 Serbian Soldier admitted everything and said he "couldn't live with that" and hanged himself.

[Pribislav]

There are living Serbs (executors) who killed 500+ people themselves without counting others.

1 Serbian Soldier admitted everything and said he "couldn't live with that" and hanged himself.

Real number of killed Muslims in Srebrenica is much lower than official propaganda say.

Serbs which participated in killing Muslim captured soldiers in Srebrenica were mostly agents of CIA.

Dražen Erdemović who confessed that he killed a lot of Muslims in Srebrenica is ethnic Croatian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dražen_Erdemović

[Pribislav]

Political spot of former Sandžakian mufti Muemer Zukorlić.
Funny in song are mentioned Bosniaks many times, and old man on 3:10 has typical Albanian Gheg turban on the head. :rotfl::rotfl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVY1bhEk44

[Bosniensis]

Political spot of former Sandžakian mufti Muemer Zukorlić.
Funny in song are mentioned Bosniaks many times, and old man on 3:10 has typical Albanian Gheg turban on the head. :rotfl::rotfl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVY1bhEk44

Isn't it enough for you Serbs that you are disliked by Croats, Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Turks, Slovenians, EU and now you are searching for more enemies among people who live in Serbia? (Who are not looking for problems)

Is the Russia only friend you have? What if they go away you will be left alone.

[Ayetooey]

Isn't it enough for you Serbs that you are disliked by Croats, Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Turks, Slovenians, EU and now you are searching for more enemies among people who live in Serbia? (Who are not looking for problems)

Is the Russia only friend you have? What if they go away you will be left alone.

You're better than this Sinan.

[Max Soldo]

This forum is shit. Billions of 'classify this' threads and the ones that aren't taxonomy descend into stupid flamewars.

[Bosniensis]

This forum is shit. Billions of 'classify this' threads and the ones that aren't taxonomy descend into stupid flamewars.

This is best forum, it has everything just avoid shit you don't like.

[dududud]

Baltic was present on Balkans and Italy even before Eastern European migrations.

Brescia 1900 B.C.

Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T319214
K15:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 45.54
2 Atlantic 30.69
3 East_Med 9.48
4 Baltic 6.11
5 Red_Sea 5.08
6 North_Sea 1.76
7 Sub-Saharan 1.34
----------------------------------------

If Northern Italy had 6.11% Can you Imagine how much Baltic people in Iron Age Serbia had? Of Course at least 15%+

Big West-med. European?

[Glauk]

Sandžakians are foreigners of non-Serbian blood, and pretty pan-Islamic population. They will be remove from Raška sooner or later as Albanians from Kosovo. Anatolia is promised land for Sandžakians.

Who will remove us from Kosovo?

[Mehmet Udegey]

Interesting and very insightful thread.