Homosexuality

[coldielox]

I would like to know peoples views on this topic :D

yeah.. im not sure how well this topic will go, we will see :P But i figured you had an abortion one, why not make a gay one :P

[Lady L]

To put it simply for now, I believe gays are just that-gay. I don't think they choose to feel that way, they just do. Just like some have feet fetishes, hand fetishes- whatever turns a person on differs for everyone.

I don't really concern myself with their lifestyles- and I don't think gay marriage should be legal.

[stormlord]

Oh please God no!

there's a 19 page introduction thread that turned into a discussion on this topic here; http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2354

And it's still active, and awful.

[coldielox]

oh my bad... we can delete this then, i had no idea there was a topic alredy.. please someone, and admin toss this topic if theres alredy one, i didnt mean to double topics up :(

[Fortis in Arduis]

On the underground in London, there is a poster.

In fact, it is everywhere now:

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/images/cm_images/spaggoibrum.JPG

It is aimed against homophobic bullying in school.

I tend to agree with the poster, but the left-gay alliance troubles me, and these people tend to be quite unpleasant; I knew them at university.

Sexuality should be an undercurrent, not a driving force in our public lives.

That is the main issue for me.

I like being in India with its anti-obscenity laws, where gay people are actually quite numerous, but in most peoples eyes, simply do not exist, as sexuality is not a public matter here.

Gay people came out of the closet at the same time as straight people. I find public expressions of sexuality distasteful.

No, I am not the taliban, I just happen to have class and style.

To clarify:

You may not like this:

http://www.ichatgay.com/img_blog/1037.jpg

but if you do not dislike this as well:

http://www.aolcdn.com/red_galleries/harry-potter-kiss-400a061507.jpg

you are just a hypocrite.

Sexuality needs to go back into the closet.

That's all.

[Æmeric]

Oh please God no!

there's a 19 page introduction thread that turned into a discussion on this topic here; http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2354

And it's still active, and awful.
That thread has been closed! I hadn't been following it because it was an introductory thread & everyone is just "HI!" & "Welcome to the forum!:)" & stuff like that. Or so I thought. I guess I should have got suspicious when the page count got up to the double digits. And now I've missed my chance to post in it.:(

[Loki]

And now I've missed my chance to post in it.:(

I think let's continue that discussion in this thread? :) At least here it is not off-topic. I might move the off-topic posts over from there tomorrow if I feel bored.

Please continue. :coffee:

[Aliandrin]

That thread has been closed! I hadn't been following it because it was an introductory thread & everyone is just "HI!" & "Welcome to the forum!:)" & stuff like that. Or so I thought. I guess I should have got suspicious when the page count got up to the double digits. And now I've missed my chance to post in it.:(

That's my fault. I'm sorry.

[Psychonaut]

To put it simply for now, I believe gays are just that-gay.

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/homosexuals_are_gay.jpg

[ItalianFury]

To put it simply for now, I believe gays are just that-gay. I don't think they choose to feel that way, they just do. Just like some have feet fetishes, hand fetishes- whatever turns a person on differs for everyone.

I don't really concern myself with their lifestyles- and I don't think gay marriage should be legal.

A fetish is a minor aberration that can be easily corrected while the actual act of homosexuality is a deep vice that extinguishes a mans strength and drives him away from his destined evolutionary path.

Homosexuality violates the laws of nature and nurtures a pestilence that brings deterioration to the immediate group or community. It carries a negative life force which creates a spiritual debt, which, if not corrected can and will result in the extinction of the group, the same principle would apply post-war, the war is not over when the battle is concluded to it's physical end, there lies a pestilence from killing the life-force which resides in each and every one of us.

It's hard for me to explain and it's complex, but, to make things simplified, the reason our ancestors reputedly drowned them in mud bogs was so their mental illness would not spread and afflict the collective spirit of the group.

I am not condoning violence or suggesting to take measures as our ancestors did because they were very in tune with mother earth and understood her laws, a far cry to what we know today or, are just learning.

It can be stopped but, like every other biological entity it has roots and they must be severed first. Those roots are Adultery of every kind, and the strongest of those roots would be pornography, prostitution, artificial birth control and abortion. Since evolution is a constant and emerging force that sweeps everything in its path including vice, which carries the potential for maturing into a hellish rage when nurtured and supported.

The problem is that pornography and its kindred spirit are used by the tyrant to shackle you and prevent you from your destiny.

[Baron Samedi]

I have no problem with homosexuals in the least, and I myself am a folkish heathen by nature.

I prefer women, a lot actually, but I have been attracted to certain kinds of men in the past, normally for their intellects and not physical features, but still attracted very much. Never pursued them, though in any way.

I'm sure it's goddamn suicide mentioning this on here, but whatever.... I don't see how one gets off sexually really matters a shit in the grand scheme of things.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I have no problem with homosexuals in the least, and I myself am a folkish heathen by nature.

I prefer women, a lot actually, but I have been attracted to certain kinds of men in the past, normally for their intellects and not physical features, but still attracted very much. Never pursued them, though in any way.

I'm sure it's goddamn suicide mentioning this on here, but whatever.... I don't see how one gets off sexually really matters a shit in the grand scheme of things.

So you have had a homosexual undercurrent? Oh well.

The sexualists care.

Lots of gays probably have a heterosexual undercurrent too.

[ItalianFury]

I have no problem with homosexuals in the least, and I myself am a folkish heathen by nature.

I prefer women, a lot actually, but I have been attracted to certain kinds of men in the past, normally for their intellects and not physical features, but still attracted very much. Never pursued them, though in any way.

I'm sure it's goddamn suicide mentioning this on here, but whatever.... I don't see how one gets off sexually really matters a shit in the grand scheme of things.

So what does that mean? a folkish heathen? how can any pagan religion tolerate homosexuality? Didn't they understand the laws of life? that consequences were paid collectively while people stood on the earth, as opposed to the Jesus poison which falsely claims only certain individuals will suffer in the 'after life'.

[Psychonaut]

how can any pagan religion tolerate homosexuality?

I know more than a few Heathens who feel the way Fundamentalist Christians do about homosexuality; then again I know a great many who take a more Libertarian attitude and don't really care what homos do with each other so long as it doesn't affect them personally. Heathenry and Paganism are hardly monolithic entities in the least and opinions of folks who identify as either will run the entire gambit on a variety of issues, homosexuality included.

Also, what do you mean by "tolerate"? There's a big difference between having a personal objection to something and having a general objection. For example, I prefer not to surround myself with homos, since I don't share their proclivities or lifestyle, but I don't have any problem with them hanging out with each other doing whatever they do. Having a personal objection, which in my case is largely aesthetic, would not translate into a desire to deprive the group with which I am in disagreement with of life or liberty; it merely translates into living a life that doesn't generally bring me into contact with their kind.

[Vargtand]

Don't like it any more then immigration, for that sake I don't dislike all immigrants nor all homosexuals. I dislike what homosexuality brings to society but nothing more and nothing less. Unless of course specific homosexuals threaten my society in any way those I hate with a passion.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Don't like it any more then immigration, for that sake I don't dislike all immigrants nor all homosexuals. I dislike what homosexuality brings to society but nothing more and nothing less. Unless of course specific homosexuals threaten my society in any way those I hate with a passion.

Have you not observed that homosexuals and heterosexuals came out of the closet at the same time as each other?

Do you not think that our societies have a problem with sexuality being a public affair?

[ItalianFury]

I know more than a few Heathens who feel the way Fundamentalist Christians do about homosexuality; then again I know a great many who take a more Libertarian attitude and don't really care what homos do with each other so long as it doesn't affect them personally. Heathenry and Paganism are hardly monolithic entities in the least and opinions of folks who identify as either will run the entire gambit on a variety of issues, homosexuality included.

Also, what do you mean by "tolerate"? There's a big difference between having a personal objection to something and having a general objection. For example, I prefer not to surround myself with homos, since I don't share their proclivities or lifestyle, but I don't have any problem with them hanging out with each other doing whatever they do. Having a personal objection, which in my case is largely aesthetic, would not translate into a desire to deprive the group with which I am in disagreement with of life or liberty; it merely translates into living a life that doesn't generally bring me into contact with their kind.

I'm looking at it purely in a cause and effect scenario that's basically the way I see life, as cause and effect, or series of laws and consequences.

My general perception of toleration is support, and there is consequences for it. I'm not one to be paranoid about it but I believe a people must be in a collective state in order to evolve into a higher being and in order to do so the roots of homosexuality must be pulled up, but I do maintain a reasonable amount of compassion for homosexuals but I just can't support it, to do so would be going against my own will.

[HawkR]

The only thing I got against gays, is the fact that they are gay, weak, discusting and totally brainfucked. IMO homosexuallity is some kind of mental disorder, as it might be natural amongst horny-as-hell animals, but that's just the survivalinstinct making them blind. No one can say that's the reason for man being gay, ain't much survival in putting your dick up someones ass.

BUt when I come to think about it, I realy don't care if people are gay or whatever, I just give three conditions:

1 - Don't hit on me.
2 - Don't express your gayness in public
3 - (And the most important) - Reproduce!

I'm also against gay-marrige, gays raising kids (it's okay to reproduce with a woman, but the kid shall never be seen upon as the gay's kid(see pt. 3))

[ItalianFury]

The only thing I got against gays, is the fact that they are gay, weak, discusting and totally brainfucked. IMO homosexuallity is some kind of mental disorder, as it might be natural amongst horny-as-hell animals, but that's just the survivalinstinct making them blind. No one can say that's the reason for man being gay, ain't much survival in putting your dick up someones ass.

BUt when I come to think about it, I realy don't care if people are gay or whatever, I just give three conditions:

1 - Don't hit on me.
2 - Don't express your gayness in public
3 - (And the most important) - Reproduce!

I'm also against gay-marrige, gays raising kids (it's okay to reproduce with a woman, but the kid shall never be seen upon as the gay's kid(see pt. 3))

You make some very strong and valid points but, children need both a father and a mother with the father leading the family to it's destiny.

So, if, the father is a homosexual and is no more than a lowly sire how can that family reach it potential and what if he spreads a disease to the mother?

I understand your point in regards to reproduction and I hear you loud and clear. :thumb001:

[Fortis in Arduis]

I understand the reproductive ethos, but not when used as an argument against homosexuality.

Why not use it as an argument against sterile people while we are at it?

Those 'useless eaters'... :coffee:



Why are we not content with keeping sexuality private and encouraging healthy family life within the nation by being 'nice' to each other? :lightbul:

[HawkR]

You make some very strong and valid points but, children need both a father and a mother with the father leading the family to it's destiny.
Agreed:)



So, if, the father is a homosexual and is no more than a lowly sire how can that family reach it potential and what if he spreads a disease to the mother?
Well, as mentioned; The "father"/gay men making the woman pregnant, shall have nothing to do with the child, but then again, this backfires with the need of a father. Maybe they all should be put on a Island for themself?:p



I understand your point in regards to reproduction and I hear you loud and clear. :thumb001:
And I yours mate:thumb001:

[Absinthe]

If they keep it to themselves, it's none of my business.

If they start flaunting it and/or promoting it, it becomes my business and I don't like it.

Simple as that. ;)

[HawkR]

Question: When we talk about homosexuallity now, what's your sight on lesbians? I guess most people think man to man you know.

[Absinthe]

Question: When we talk about homosexuallity now, what's your sight on lesbians? I guess most people think man to man you know.
Mine, same as above. ;)

[Lady L]

A fetish is a minor aberration that can be easily corrected while the actual act of homosexuality is a deep vice that extinguishes a mans strength and drives him away from his destined evolutionary path.

I do see the difference between fetishes and homosexuality- I was simply making the point that everyone has different desires. ;)

Some desire homosexuality, some desire bi-sexual and some heterosexual and everything in between. I'm not sure about fetish being a " minor " thing that can be easily fixed....

[Galloglaich]

I don't particularly care at all. I find that I don't have anything in common with homosexual culture, so I have vary little contact with it, but I'm not afraid of it. I'm not too keen on brazen displays of affection in public (I find it juvenile), so that bothers me a bit. Like Fortis, I don't really care to see heteros groping each other up in public either. I'm not against gay marriage per se, but I'm not really into State regulated sanctioning of any kind of marriage. I think the homos are missing the boat petitioning for gay marriage. What we all should be doing is asking what business the State has condoning any type of CONSENSUAL relationship. I don't like a lot of what the pro-gay reactionaries have brought to our culture, that's one thing that really does bother me; but in a free society there will always be things that bother me, I guess I'll have to learn to live my life as least affected as I can from those elements. I guess I don't mind what they do in their own backyards (so to speak), just don't bother mine and we'll be alright.

[Loddfafner]

I have two major gripes against the gay world as it currently stands. First, it incubates the most über-politically correct politics. Second, it has launched much of the worst music of the past century from bland cabaret to insipid divas to inane disco.

On reproduction, evolution, and gays in the Folk, I will repeat what I wrote in another thread about group-level selection:

In social organisms such as bees, most members of their communities do not breed. What reproduces itself is the hive. Humans are not such an extreme case as honeybees, but there is a degree of group-level selection taking place. There must be a lot of human types that play unrecognized but possibly indispensable roles in the well being of their communities, perhaps including gays along with Nietzschean overmen, religious recluses, thuggish skins, autistic nerds, bipolar artists, and brilliant strategists.

If this is the case, then enforced conformity is detrimental to the survival of the folk.

Gays are thrown (in Heidegger's sense) into absurd and impossible situations and so must improvise. Although some of the results of that improvisation have been for the worse (1970s orgies amplifying the impact of sexually transmitted diseases), much of it has added to overall cultural flexibility, vitality, and strength.

As for public displays of affection, they can be put to good use. Gays who insist on making such lewd public statements should be encouraged to do so in front of mosques.

[Thorum]

I feel the same about heteros as homos. It's their business, not mine. I have had gay friends (male and female) and have noticed nothing different with them than anyone else. I have noticed gays as a group to be hilarious, open-minded and progressive.

One of my favorite movie director's is gay, John Waters (http://www.egs.edu/faculty/waters.html).

Also, one of my all-time favorite singers, Rob Halford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Halford).

[Fortis in Arduis]

I feel the same about heteros as homos. It's their business, not mine. I have had gay friends (male and female) and have noticed nothing different with them than anyone else. I have noticed gays as a group to be hilarious, open-minded and progressive.

One of my favorite movie director's is gay, John Waters (http://www.egs.edu/faculty/waters.html).

Also, one of my all-time favorite singers, Rob Halford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Halford).

John Waters? Divine eating the dog turd LOL and this:

RfUtDmFEL8s

I know that this goes completely against everything that I have previously written on this thread, but LOL... REALLY!!!

[Absinthe]

Random fact:

the woman that lives next door to me is a lesbian. When she confided in me and asked me if I minded, I said "of course not". WTF do I care? :)

When she tried to approach me in a non-friendly manner, however, I minded. I rebuked her for that and she never bothered me again.

[Treffie]

^LOL!! What is that film called, I want to watch it! :D

[Allenson]

To put it simply for now, I believe gays are just that-gay. I don't think they choose to feel that way, they just do.

Agreed here--their homosexuality is as inherent in their makeup as is heterosexuality is in mine. And by this, I mean the people who are really & truly gay--not just college chicks who like make out with other chicks because it's cool. :cool:


Sexuality should be an undercurrent, not a driving force in our public lives.

Interesting notion, Fortis. It does seem to be the case with them that their gayness is central and paramount to their persona and identity. I mean, my great enjoyment of women is for me as well but I don't feel the need to advertise it and nor is my sence of self-worth derived from it. It just is... :coffee:

[Fortis in Arduis]

^LOL!! What is that film called, I want to watch it! :D

"A Dirty Shame" ... ;)

[Thorum]

^LOL!! What is that film called, I want to watch it! :D

"Pink Flamingos".

Tref, if you haven't seen it (or "Polyester"). You have got to watch it!! Want a glimpse into the true underground America? Those movies are "good" start. Warning, Pink Flamingos is exceedingly twisted whereas Polyester is only twisted. :p

[Baron Samedi]

So you have had a homosexual undercurrent? Oh well.

The sexualists care.

Lots of gays probably have a heterosexual undercurrent too.

The sexualists?

This a new social caste system or something?

[Baron Samedi]

Question: When we talk about homosexuallity now, what's your sight on lesbians? I guess most people think man to man you know.

I love em.... If they are not faux "rebellious" types.

[Sally]

Generally, I don't have anything against homosexuals, except when there is a gay parade and all of the streets are blocked off. Last year, I had to go waaaay out my normal route to the train station. How dare they inconvenience me! ;)

But really, I should have suspected something was up when I heard the throbbing, unmistakeable beat of "It's Raining Men."

[Fortis in Arduis]

The sexualists?

This a new social caste system or something?

Yes, the lowest of the very low. ;)

[Birka]

I mostly agree with the libertarian viewpoint posted by Galloglaich, the state should not be in the marraige business. Who cares if the state approves of my relationships. What if they had something to say about my posts on this forum?

The best direct boss I had was a gay man, who never, ever mentioned his personal life. He treated me more humanly than any other manager had. I can't stand my current manager, a micro-managing bitch who lives and breaths for the company.

[Jägerstaffel]

I don't care what anyone's sexual vices or virtues are.

It's not my business.

[lei.talk]

I should have suspected something was up
when I heard the throbbing, unmistakeable beat of "It's Raining Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Raining_Men)".:pound:


http://youtu.be/pi2t58CRmbU



http://youtu.be/APqD2mfKPCI

[Sarmata]

Homosexuality once again...I wonder how numerous is homosexual community here? You know my point of view about this metter, probably you think that I'm bigot, it's lowbrow I know, but it's better to be a bigot than a fagot...
When I was teenager almost no-one define himself as gay, now is growing quite numerous population of young gays and lesbians. And why? Becouse they were abnormal from they birth? No...it's becouse they are brainwashed, and they're "trendy" and what is abnormal it's a fashion now. Yes it's a fashion for homosexuality, for multiculturalism, for multiracism etc. People forgot that homosexuality were recognized as psychical illnes until 17.05.1990, it's proof how efficient is propaganda. Pro homo propaganda who attack children even in preschool:eek: I can't tolerate it especially that I'm a father to my son.

[Atlas]

Absinthe has spoken for me already. :)

[Brynhild]

I'm not a fan of homosexuality, nor am I phobic of them. I have felt completely safe around a bunch of gay men I used to work with - I wasn't their type! One or two women tried, but once they knew which way I swung, I was left alone. They're not predators any more than straight men or women are.

Whether we like it or not, homosexuality has been around since day dot, and I don't believe they have a choice as to what they ultimately become in terms of their sexuality. They are not the disease that's killing our folk. Mass iimmigration and miscegenation are!

My above quote was from the Please don't ban me thread. I'll expand on that by saying I have two lesbian couples who are my neighbours. I don't know what they're up to and I don't want to know. It's their business what they do, as long as they don't attempt to hit on me, which they haven't.

I went to a weekend festival two years ago, and my kids saw gay couples being openly affectionate - something I'm not comfortable with, and they weren't either. In saying that, I'm not comfortable with straight couples overdoing it in public either.

[RoyBatty]

On the underground in London, there is a poster.

In fact, it is everywhere now:

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/images/cm_images/spaggoibrum.JPG

It is aimed against homophobic bullying in school.

I tend to agree with the poster, but the left-gay alliance troubles me, and these people tend to be quite unpleasant; I knew them at university.


I remember some recent Stonewall ad campaigns on the Metro in London. I found those ads quite offensive, unpleasant and threatening. It was like these people were saying "we're organised, we will harass you through various means and we're going to rub our way of life in your face and there's nothing you can do about it."

My view is that whatever one turns out to be, what goes on behind closed doors is nobody's business but your own. People shouldn't be harassed for what they are but then again, they shouldn't be making public spectacles of themselves pushing their "gayness" or "heteroness" on the rest of us. There's nothing more annoying than seeing couples (usually hetero) smooching and grabbing one another on a packed train on the way to work. Ditto for gays.




Sexuality should be an undercurrent, not a driving force in our public lives.


Right. That particularly goes for the media which objectifies people and promotes a classless, consumerist lifestyle.

[Loki]

I wonder how numerous is homosexual community here?

Visit our chatbox and you'll get a clearer picture. :D

[Æmeric]

I don't spend that much time in the chatbox. Now I'm afraid to look.:eek:

[safinator]

Being gay is:

1. A genetic disease like cistic fibrosis, etc. It can be cured (with science) eventually
2. Gays have multiple partners
3. Gays have huge incidences of STD's
4. Gays have higher AIDS cases
5. Male genitalia were not meant for poos
6. Gays are more likely to be pedophiles
7. Young children can suffer irrepairable psychological damage when exposed to unnatural gay behavior ex. two men kissing etc.
8. Gays anal sphincter becomes more loose over time, thus making bowel movements difficult to control

Homosexual sex is the primary transmission route of the AIDS virus in our society. According to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (with the National Institutes of Health), there are an estimated 40,000 new HIV infections each year in the United States. Of those men who are infected, 60% of them are infected through homosexual sex.

Said that though it's not my business what they do, important is not flaunting their homosexuality everywhere.

[InperatoreBT]

What is your opinion, this is not a troll thread. My opinion is that they are mentally ill and that they have to get their brain straight somehow.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Pretty apathetic to them, but I hate that gay rights has become such a big issue and that pedo rights is trying to ride on its coattails.

[RandoBloom]

Trash destroying family values and humanity driven by nothing except base needs.
Disgusting beings overall

[Linebacker]

They can do whatever they want,as long as they keep a reasonable distance from my penis.

[InperatoreBT]

Poll added.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Not a good one, that's for sure.

[Ianus]

I don't like when they make public displays of affection or when they are too feminine and i find trans disgusting, however i think they have the right to live their sexuality how they want, so i agree to legalize their unions. For the poll i chose number 3.

[TheMagnificent]

I don't approve the act from a religious point of view, but I also think I don't have the right to impose my lifestyle and beliefs on them. Some of them are quite nice people actually. What annoys me more is the attention whoreism that some of them like to exhibit (like kissing in public or gay pride parades), but then again, I can't stand the attention whoreism of straight people either. I don't care what people do in their homes.

[solaris]

ok i will never understand how someone gets turned on by a man's ass, nevertheless... some apparently do, so the fuck what..... they can put their dicks wherever they want to, as long as the receiver agrees. i think there is more to care about in the world than arguing about people fucking each other's asses. despite the gender, if noone is getting harmed and both want it..... it's none of our business.

amen.

[Seraph of the End]

I have nothing against them, but I do hate pride parades. I mean, I can understand that two man/woman can love each other, and that they want to be together, live together and do whatever they want together...but I can't understand why they want to shove that down other people's throats. To me, it looks like they just want to provoke other people, and I don't like that. That being said, I have nothing against their sexual orientation, it's their public display of affection that irritates me. I voted for option 3.

[Hierarchalist]

Op, you forgot to include the following in your list,

"Homosexuality is a naturally occurring unfit sexual mutation"

[Hierarchalist]

Way too many threads about homo's on this forum.. Seems like most, if not all members here are pro-gay rights. The only disagreement is over public displays of affection. Well, if you accept homosexuality as a new age lifestyle, and ok with it, why would the thought of two men making out in public put you off? After-all, following your logic, they can do whatever they desire, as long as they are not causing harm to others, right?

[InperatoreBT]

Way too many threads about homo's on this forum.. Seems like most, if not all members here are pro-gay rights. The only disagreement is over public displays of affection. Well, if you accept homosexuality as a new age lifestyle, and ok with it, why would the thought of two men making out in public put you off? After-all, following your logic, they can do whatever they desire, as long as they are not causing harm to others, right?

I am not a fucking gay rightist, did you see my opinion? They are fucking mentally ill retards that have to be gased.

[dude]

I leave the fags alone, and I expect them to leave alone too. In fact, I never think about fags until you guys mention them. What's your obsession with fags anyways? There is a member who was always talking about and bashing gays and I jokingly told him he was coming out, a few weeks later he came out, funny the irony.

[Leadchucker]

I don't approve the act from a religious point of view, but I also think I don't have the right to impose my lifestyle and beliefs on them. Some of them are quite nice people actually. What annoys me more is the attention whoreism that some of them like to exhibit (like kissing in public or gay pride parades), but then again, I can't stand the attention whoreism of straight people either. I don't care what people do in their homes.

Couldn't have said it better

[Methusalem]

Trash destroying family values and humanity driven by nothing except base needs.
Disgusting beings overall

Exactly. End the sodomy propaganda.

[vibrant_]

I don't think it should even be a relevant issue anymore. It's nobodies business whatsoever if someone decides to love a person of the same sex. People should just focus on themselves it's a little ridiculous.

[Cleitus]

They are Mentally sick but, of course a cure for them exists.

[armenianbodyhair]

Pretty apathetic to them, but I hate that gay rights has become such a big issue and that pedo rights is trying to ride on its coattails.

This.

I don't think it should even be a relevant issue anymore. It's nobodies business whatsoever if someone decides to love a person of the same sex. People should just focus on themselves it's a little ridiculous.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

[rhiannon]

They don't bother me.

[Aurora]

I don't care but I honestly have never liked being around them. I tried being friends with some people who were gay in the past and the persona that they put out there was too annoying for me. The people who I've been close to who were gay just seemed to be living a lie, always putting on an act.

[Mortimer]

I go here with the Ugandan Task Force against Homosexuality.

Quote: Thats sickness, we do not want that here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w

[Sikeliot]

It is not something to have an opinion about... it exists in all species and is part of natural biological variation.

[Smitty]

An aberration that belies mental, psychological, or physiological problems or some combination of them. It should not be criminalized, nor should it be normalized.

[frankhammer]

Live and let live.

[Purohit ji]

They are the least harmfull people. And What other people do is none of our buisness. What seems unnatural is also natural

[Sikeliot]

They are the least harmfull people. And What other people do is none of our buisness. What seems unnatural is also natural

Yes. I do not understand why people make a big deal about it.

[Al-Meksiki]

Eat da poo poo is still one of my favorite memes. Even if it shows the destructive and regressive effect that American evangelical missionaries are having on nations like Uganda. It's part of the reason why I think Evangelicals should be banned from prostelytizing in Guatemala but eh

As for what I think of homosexuality. I have no problem with it. I'm bisexual myself, i'd be a self-loathing maniac if I was to hate non-heterosexual orientations, lol.

From a religious standpont as well, being a follower of Monijiao Buddhism (Buddhist influenced interpretation of Manichaeism), homosexuality is not only tollerated, but looked upon with favor! As stated in an essay from Rictor Norton, which can be found here (http://rictornorton.co.uk/homopho4.htm): "[Manichaeans] not only tolerated homosexuality, but went so far as to advocate its superiority over heterosexuality, on the grounds that the latter enslaved humanity in a chain of procreation which bound us to the earth and hence to Evil. They thus held in varying degrees of esteem all the non-procreative sex that the Christian Church condemned: masturbation, male and female homosexuality, anal and oral sex between men and women, and group sex-play that wasn't designed to produce offspring."

[Skjaldemjøden]

What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is nobody's business. Live and let live

[catgeorge]

I do not care for them but think its a mental condition rather than biological.

Like Marxism is a mental state it is impossible for a human being to be an indoctrinated degenerate.

[Rethel]

Mortimer in the mood... :laugh:

[Rethel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv7dkf14hAI

The right way to deal with them, is like with those manneqiuns.....

https://midnightangelphoto.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/img_0026-1-7.jpg

[Desperado]

Personally, I wish every other man on Earth were homosexual :noidea:

[Dandelion]

Personally, I wish every other man on Earth were homosexual :noidea:


https://youtu.be/XQ6VZH2qWxE

Reminds me of that old flash game, Chasseur. Popular when I went to high school.

[James-080UK]

I'm bisexual, so that's beautiful

[Zephyrus]

Whats your view on Homosexuality?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W4zKSpn_M



Fast forward to the best part. (https://youtu.be/Y4W4zKSpn_M?t=558)

[DarkSecret]

I don't feel comfortable with the ones being "too open". But generally I don't have a problem with them. Whether it is a sickness or not it's nobody's business to judge them.

[Porn Master]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv7dkf14hAI

The right way to deal with them, is like with those manneqiuns.....

https://midnightangelphoto.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/img_0026-1-7.jpg





I noticed you are extremely against LGBT, against eretics, against commies, against magicians etc xD

[Rethel]

I noticed you are extremely against LGBT, against eretics, against commies, against magicians etc xD

And what?

[HERK]

It is not something to have an opinion about... it exists in all species and is part of natural biological variation.

A man fucking another man in his butthole is not natural at all, think about that again. we can tolerate and be ok with it but don't make it seem obviously natural.

[UkrainianGirl]

From my religious perspective I am against but it also says to love everyone so you can go after dolphins even and I would not care lol. We cool. Lol.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

not really a bad thing itself honestly

sodomy is another question.

technically any sodomy can spread STDs, so it's probably not a good thing. Luckily my fantasies with men do not include sodomy so I'm safe.

[Rethel]

Biblical remedy, the only right one for this perversion:

And when a man lies down with a male the same as
one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a
detestable thing. They should be put to death without
fail. Their own blood is upon them.

[DarkSecret]

Biblical remedy, the only right one for this perversion:

And when a man lies down with a male the same as
one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a
detestable thing. They should be put to death without
fail. Their own blood is upon them.

Fortunately Bible has no effect on people's lives...

[DarkSecret]

not really a bad thing itself honestly

sodomy is another question.

technically any sodomy can spread STDs, so it's probably not a good thing. Luckily my fantasies with men do not include sodomy so I'm safe.

So vaginal intercourse is totally safe? I don't think so.

[Antimage]

I do not have an opinion yet. I'm not sure if they are born this way or it is something that develops later on due to traumatic experiences and stuff.

[Rethel]

We cool. Lol.

You cannot be cool, becasue God isn't. He abhores them.

“‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as
you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

[Rethel]

Ottar is a fag? :laugh::puke:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

So vaginal intercourse is totally safe? I don't think so.

If it isn't, then we cannot really say sodomy is wrong, if the risks are the same as with normal sex..

[Annie999]

not really a bad thing itself honestly

sodomy is another question.

technically any sodomy can spread STDs, so it's probably not a good thing. Luckily my fantasies with men do not include sodomy so I'm safe.

lol what? Typical hetero sexual relationship might spread all kind of STD's too.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

You cannot be cool, becasue God isn't. He abhores them.

“‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as
you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

Indeed sodomy is detestable

interesting how the Bible predicts this probably even before people discovered that sodomy leads to STDs..

of course if regular sex is just as bad, then I don't understand why the Bible would say this.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

lol what? Typical hetero sexual relationship might spread all kind of STD's too.

you mean like regular hetero sex?

[barkoo]

It is not something to have an opinion about... it exists in all species and is part of natural biological variation.

Clearly not, in animal reign, studies have shown you get a deviant behavior from the male when not able to find a female of its near environment, lack of partner doesn't mean you are homo.

[Zephyrus]

Joking aside - I don't give a fuck what people do behind closed doors, but I'm against hysterical gay propaganda and gay adoption.
Keep away from those innocent little angels, you rainbow-weirdos!

:mad::mad::mad:

[Smitty]

lol what? Typical hetero sexual relationship might spread all kind of STD's too.

It's​ more the homosexual lifestyle (a huge number of sex partners) that spreads STDs than it is their manner of having sex. That being said, it only makes sense that anal sex - which is biologically unnatural - would have more negative health effects, given the possibility of bleeding and the filth that is the lower GI tract.

[UkrainianGirl]

You cannot be cool, becasue God isn't. He abhores them.

“‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as
you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.
I did say that I am against it but condemnation is for God to give not me. Jesus also spent lots of time building relationships with sinners and Pharisees were against that but Jesus told them it is not the healthy/righteous who need a doctor but those who are sick/sinners. Therefore, Jesus was against their wrongdoing but He spent time with them and taught them the right way. After all He died for sinners in the end too.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. Matthew 7:1. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. John 13:47-48.For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 3:17.

[DRUM]

burn them at the stake

[Al-Meksiki]

It's​ more the homosexual lifestyle (a huge number of sex partners) that spreads STDs than it is their manner of having sex. That being said, it only makes sense that anal sex - which is biologically unnatural - would have more negative health effects, given the possibility of bleeding and the filth that is the lower GI tract.

Using proper precautions, you wont catch anything from anal sex if you're doing it right.

That said, Anal Sex is no more unnatural than any other form of sex; its been observed among other great apes (especially bonobos) and dolphins.

[Pennywise]

Negative. I don't like them but I usually ignore them.

[DarkSecret]

I did say that I am against it but condemnation is for God to give not me. Jesus also spent lots of time building relationships with sinners and Pharisees were against that but Jesus told them it is not the healthy/righteous who need a doctor but those who are sick/sinners. Therefore, Jesus was against their wrongdoing but He spent time with them and taught them the right way. After all He died for sinners in the end too.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. Matthew 7:1. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. John 13:47-48.For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 3:17.

Yes I agree on everything but one thing. He is not the son of God. There is no trinity. We the Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Christ and the one true God. Join us before it is too late. A new Noah's Flood on its way and only the witnesses will see the salvation...

[Rethel]

I did say that I am against it but condemnation is for God to give not me.

You too - you must clearly witness what is God's will.


Jesus also spent lots of time building relationships with sinners

No. He spent time with those, who did
repent, and wanted to change their lives.


and Pharisees were against that but Jesus told them it is not the healthy/righteous who need a doctor but those who are sick/sinners.


Yes, becasue they didn't have mercy,
and did not want sinners to convert.


Therefore, Jesus was against their wrongdoing
but He spent time with them and taught them
the right way. After all He died for sinners in
the end too.

Yes, but it doesn;t mean, that hard preaching is
forbidden. It is even necessary - the more stubborn
they are, the more direct truth they need.


Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

Yes, becasue Jesus said: but judge with righteous judgment.

[Al-Meksiki]

Yes I agree on everything but one thing. He is not the son of God. There is no trinity. We the Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Christ and the one true God. Join us before it is too late. A new Noah's Flood on its way and only the witnesses will see the salvation...

>mfw these niggas don't understand that the true path to salvation is to aquire Gnosis and break free into Nirvana

[Smitty]

Using proper precautions, you wont catch anything from anal sex if you're doing it right.

That said, Anal Sex is no more unnatural than any other form of sex; its been observed among other great apes (especially bonobos) and dolphins.

Cannibalism has been observed among praying mantises. It's pretty obvious that the reproductive organ does not belong in the gastrointestinal tract. I don't expect to convince you of this, however. I'm sure you're already aware of it.

[Rethel]

Using proper precautions, you wont catch anything from anal sex if you're doing it right.

That said, Anal Sex is no more unnatural than any other form of sex; its been observed among other great apes (especially bonobos) and dolphins.

:picard2:

[Rethel]

We the Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Christ and the one true God. Join us before it is too late. A new Noah's Flood on its way and only the witnesses will see the salvation...

Stop it. Don;t be a clown.
You are certainly not JW.
You do not even know,
what they belive in. :picard1:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

TBH modern LGBT community gives us all a bad name.

If only some of the haters could see some of the great national heroes that were Homosexuals...

Frederick the Great was a homosexual, for example.

The community used to be cooler, actually. Since sexual liberation the LGBT community has just got a bad image. It was better when you weren't a person that many knew was homosexual except perhaps your closest relatives, if they weren't batshit crazy bigoted enough to accept you..and that was that, and the gay relative was often something people liked, because to be fair we know how to have a good time and we are usually more gregarious people for some reason.

Nowadays with lgbt people everyone has to know and you shove it down everyones face and you are really lewd about it, even publically..i wish we could go back to the older times in the lgbt community. Even for trans people like, that is something that should be kept between you and your doctor, you know? No need to be a stupid person like most trannies today, out there protesting shit that doesn't even affect them..that's another thing, the politics of the lgbts today are horrible by and large. Basically Democrat whores. If Orlando didn't even wake them up to vote Republican...nothing will.

So just keep in mind they can be good or bad. With most of them today being Democratic soulless annoying shills bitching about privilege it is hard to see past that, but not all are bad, and try to remember too it's a hard life, at least it always was still is today unless you happen to be on a college campus..in most situations it is still a hard life.

[DarkSecret]

Stop it. Don;t be a clown.
You are certainly not JW.
You do not even know,
what they belive in. :picard1:

I do know. A French guy in İstanbul invited me and I accepted. He told me what they believe and all made sense.

[UkrainianGirl]

Yes I agree on everything but one thing. He is not the son of God. There is no trinity. We the Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Christ and the one true God. Join us before it is too late. A new Noah's Flood on its way and only the witnesses will see the salvation...

Wait then how do you interpret these two verses for example?
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!" Matthew 17:5
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.
Colossians 2:9

[Al-Meksiki]

Cannibalism has been observed among praying mantises. It's pretty obvious that the reproductive organ does not belong in the gastrointestinal tract. I don't expect to convince you of this, however. I'm sure you're already aware of it.

Is cannibalism okay because it's natural? If you're going to try and base your point on something being right or wrong because its "natural" or "unnatural", stick to it. I could make the argument that any sex for pleasure is unnatural and wrong, as only tetrapods, a relatively small section of all known animals, engage in it, with the largest make up of life, insects, annelids, and even fish, only engaging in sexual activity for reproduction.

The fact that apes have been show to engage in anal sex naturally in the wild is enough to firmly root it as natural in the great ape lineage.

[DarkSecret]

Is cannibalism okay because it's natural? If you're going to try and base your point on something being right or wrong because its "natural" or "unnatural", stick to it. I could make the argument that any sex for pleasure is unnatural and wrong, as only tetrapods, a relatively small section of all known animals, engage in it, with the largest make up of life, insects, annelids, and even fish, only engaging in sexual activity for reproduction.

The fact that apes have been show to engage in anal sex naturally in the wild is enough to firmly root it as natural in the great ape lineage.

Condoms and drugs are not natural either.

[Annie999]

It's​ more the homosexual lifestyle (a huge number of sex partners) that spreads STDs than it is their manner of having sex. That being said, it only makes sense that anal sex - which is biologically unnatural - would have more negative health effects, given the possibility of bleeding and the filth that is the lower GI tract.

Homosexuality = huge numbers of sex partners? LOL no. That might happen or not, just like there are promiscuous hetero men and women and decent ones too. Your views are extreme and full of stereotypes. You do have a point that anal sex is 'filthier' which is true, but imo to each their own.

[Al-Meksiki]

TBH modern LGBT community gives us all a bad name.

If only some of the haters could see some of the great national heroes that were Homosexuals...

Frederick the Great was a homosexual, for example.

The community used to be cooler, actually. Since sexual liberation the LGBT community has just got a bad image. It was better when you weren't a person that many knew was homosexual except perhaps your closest relatives, if they weren't batshit crazy bigoted enough to accept you..and that was that, and the gay relative was often something people liked, because to be fair we know how to have a good time and we are usually more gregarious people for some reason.

Nowadays with lgbt people everyone has to know and you shove it down everyones face and you are really lewd about it, even publically..i wish we could go back to the older times in the lgbt community. Even for trans people like, that is something that should be kept between you and your doctor, you know? No need to be a stupid person like most trannies today, out there protesting shit that doesn't even affect them..that's another thing, the politics of the lgbts today are horrible by and large. Basically Democrat whores. If Orlando didn't even wake them up to vote Republican...nothing will.

So just keep in mind they can be good or bad. With most of them today being Democratic soulless annoying shills bitching about privilege it is hard to see past that, but not all are bad, and try to remember too it's a hard life, at least it always was still is today unless you happen to be on a college campus..in most situations it is still a hard life.

this 100%

The catalyst of this fall was really the transition of gay men from being, well, men, to being caracatures of men, playing up a hammy pseudo-feminine persona. Many LGBT+ people I talk to desire to show a "difference" from straight and cis people. I have to wonder why. Ghettoization does not help anyone, it just creates a further othering of the community, rather than the desired outcome, which is the integration of LGBT people into normal society as normal people. Parading around drag queens (btw, fuck drag and anyone who supports drag shows/drag queens/drag kings, etc, nothing more than a minstrel show for trans people in my opinion) and men in bondage outfits fucking in the streets isn't making things better. While I would absolutely love a world where we have moved past the idea of sex as a taboo, right now is not the time for that, it's a future issue that does not and should not be at all realted to LGBT issues.Honestly, the way the modern day movement behaves is part of the reason why I distance myself so so much from them, especially from the gay men, who have, by all accounts, driven the movement into the ground.

[Al-Meksiki]

Condoms and drugs are not natural either.

Nature does not mean it is necessarily good.

I don't care if its natural or not, I'm a futurist, I believe firmly in the domination of nature by mankind.

But for those trying to claim it is unnatural like that's some kind of definitive evil, well, it's not.

[Loki]

The irony of the matter is that the gay laws that exist in Africa and India are remnants of the old British Empire, when homosexuality was criminalized in England. Before that, there were no laws against homosexuality in these places.

[UkrainianGirl]

No. He spent time with those, who did
repent, and wanted to change their lives.

He did? You know he came to save those who were lost, Isreal right? But what happened? Did they want to change? No...but at least He tried as we must try.
He came to that which was his own, but His own did not receive Him. John 1:11.


Yes, becasue they didn't have mercy,
and did not want sinners to convert.
But still Jesus preached despite to whoever He came aross despite what Pharisees said. But Jesus did not condemn just said it was a sin and was "cool" with all types of people because He did this and wants us to do it...
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16.


Yes, but it doesn;t mean, that hard preaching is
forbidden. It is even necessary - the more stubborn
they are, the more direct truth they need.
I agree..
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2
But...
Jesus also never was violent in His teaching approach but was gentle and there will be more people in heaven than hell that is what we cannot change anyway.
You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. Matthew 7:13.


Yes, becasue Jesus said: but judge with righteous judgment.

Yes, like a gentle dove that teaches and rebukes but does not condemn :)

[DarkSecret]

Nature does not mean it is necessarily good.

I don't care if its natural or not, I'm a futurist, I believe firmly in the domination of nature by mankind.

But for those trying to claim it is unnatural like that's some kind of definitive evil, well, it's not.

It's totally nonsense and not an excuse but also funny. As if heterosexuals are living a complete natural life. They can do adultery, group sex, anal-oral sex, pair exchange sex they can do anything but when it comes to poor homos they are seen as evil filthy bastards...

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

this 100%

The catalyst of this fall was really the transition of gay men from being, well, men, to being caracatures of men, playing up a hammy pseudo-feminine persona. Many LGBT+ people I talk to desire to show a "difference" from straight and cis people. I have to wonder why. Ghettoization does not help anyone, it just creates a further othering of the community, rather than the desired outcome, which is the integration of LGBT people into normal society as normal people. Parading around drag queens (btw, fuck drag and anyone who supports drag shows/drag queens/drag kings, etc, nothing more than a minstrel show for trans people in my opinion) and men in bondage outfits fucking in the streets isn't making things better. While I would absolutely love a world where we have moved past the idea of sex as a taboo, right now is not the time for that, it's a future issue that does not and should not be at all realted to LGBT issues.Honestly, the way the modern day movement behaves is part of the reason why I distance myself so so much from them, especially from the gay men, who have, by all accounts, driven the movement into the ground.

Yeah, I literally hate my people.

I kind of know how some Black people feel now when they are like really cool people and they see the ghetto culture that most of their folks are in and they just feel disgusted.

My people are for the most part fucking degenerates that shouldn't be around. Pure cancer. Like I can see how collectivist nationalist types just want to do away with us for good and be done with it.

With that said, cool ones still exist but for the sake of humanity they should go back in the closet.

We should wage a campaign for LGBTs to 'return to the closet' so to speak.

[Smitty]

Homosexuality = huge numbers of sex partners? LOL no. That might happen or not, just like there are promiscuous hetero men and women and decent ones too. Your views are extreme and full of stereotypes. You do have a point that anal sex is 'filthier' which is true, but imo to each their own.

It doesn't have to, but with men, it usually does. Why do you think AIDS took off among certain groups of people? Because something about their behavior facilitated it.

[JohnSmith]

I believe in freedom for all to do as they wish as long as it does not physically harm people.

[DarkSecret]

The irony of the matter is that the gay laws that exist in Africa and India are remnants of the old British Empire, when homosexuality was criminalized in England. Before that, there were no laws against homosexuality in these places.

Yes especially Alan Turing to whom whole Britain owes its existence today was also a victim of those laws.

[Kazimiera]

I have no issues whatsoever with homosexual people.

What gets to me is when some lesbians really PUSH the butch agenda. I had a friend who was butch by nature but she'd exaggerate the masculinity aspect. It was embarrassing to watch because it was so obviously put on.

I'm not always sure what to do with the extremely effeminate gays. I work with one who wears eye make-up and bright pink lipstick to work. He doesn't try to dress like a woman, he just likes cerise lipstick. :lips:

[Al-Meksiki]

The irony of the matter is that the gay laws that exist in Africa and India are remnants of the old British Empire, when homosexuality was criminalized in England. Before that, there were no laws against homosexuality in these places.

Same in East Asia. The Criminalization of homosexuality in China and Japan was largely done as a part of westernization. Before then, it was actually rather widely accepted, to the point that in Japan, they were unable to comprehend why someone would be against homosexuality. It was as unthinkable and bizzare as someone being against heterosexuality. Japanese classical art, literature, and theater portrays bisexual and homosexual characters and depicts homosexual acts. Of particular note is that classical Japanese erotic art also depicted lesbian sexual behavior, which is admittedly quite rare. Japan's view on sexuality was quite like that of Rome, in that, it was the norm to engage in bisexual behaviors of sorts, with those who were purely heterosexual and purely homosexual being viewed as strange (the later were often accused of being "woman-haters" with connotations that they had virulet distain towards women in all aspects, not just sexually).

Homosexuality was also never outlawed in Korea nor in Vietnam, and to this day they are among the few countries to have never had any laws prohibiting same sex behavior in their entire history.

[Loki]

DarkSecret, congratulations on your conversion to one of the truest forms of Christianity today, which is Jehovah's Witnesses. :)

[Smitty]

Is cannibalism okay because it's natural? If you're going to try and base your point on something being right or wrong because its "natural" or "unnatural", stick to it. I could make the argument that any sex for pleasure is unnatural and wrong, as only tetrapods, a relatively small section of all known animals, engage in it, with the largest make up of life, insects, annelids, and even fish, only engaging in sexual activity for reproduction.

The fact that apes have been show to engage in anal sex naturally in the wild is enough to firmly root it as natural in the great ape lineage.

My point is, the behavior of animals doesn't make something appropriate for humans. It's obvious that homosexuals are using their reproductive organs in a manner for which they were not intended, whether by God or nature (take your pick). The day a penis belongs in a rear end is the day inedibles belong in our stomachs and our blood on the floor.

[Loki]

My point is, the behavior of animals doesn't make something appropriate for humans. It's obvious that homosexuals are using their reproductive organs in a manner for which they were not intended, whether by God or nature (take your pick). The day a penis belongs in a rear end is the day inedibles belong in our stomachs and our blood on the floor.

Who decides what is "inappropriate"? Also, human parts are used for many other things than they were originally meant for. For example, our fingers were not designed to type on keyboards, and yet...

[DarkSecret]

DarkSecret, congratulations on your conversion to one of the truest forms of Christianity today, which is Jehovah's Witnesses. :)

Yes it was easy for me as it's basic belief system is not contradicting Islam. Thank you so much :)

[Al-Meksiki]

My point is, the behavior of animals doesn't make something appropriate for humans. It's obvious that homosexuals are using their reproductive organs in a manner for which they were not intended, whether by God or nature (take your pick). The day a penis belongs in a rear end is the day inedibles belong in our stomachs and our blood on the floor.

lmao

Anal sex is actually as common among heterosexuals as among homosexuals, it's not an exclusively gay thing by any margin. As well, there are other ways that men have sex with each other aside from anal sex, and many actually prefer these methods. Oral sex and mutual masturbation are far more popular.

As well, the animals i pointed to are apes, of which humans are a part of. Humans are as much animals as bonobos and chimps.

[Loki]

Yes it was easy for me as it's basic beliefs are not contradicting Islam. Thank you so much :)

Yes, it is more clearly monotheistic than mainstream forms of Christianity.

[Smitty]

Who decides what is "inappropriate"? Also, human parts are used for many other things than they were originally meant for. For example, our fingers were not designed to type on keyboards, and yet...

That's a stretch. What are fingers for if not to manipulate our environment? The GI tract is clearly for the egestion of waste. The only reason to choose to use it for anything else would be a desire for the deviant - a desire to use it for something other than its obvious purpose. Sure, I can swallow glass. But it's pretty clearly unnatural.

[Kazimiera]

Who decides what is "inappropriate"? Also, human parts are used for many other things than they were originally meant for. For example, our fingers were not designed to type on keyboards, and yet...

And sometimes apple pies aren't just for eating..................

[Smitty]

lmao

Anal sex is actually as common among heterosexuals as among homosexuals, it's not an exclusively gay thing by any margin. As well, there are other ways that men have sex with each other aside from anal sex, and many actually prefer these methods. Oral sex and mutual masturbation are far more popular.

As well, the animals i pointed to are apes, of which humans are a part of. Humans are as much animals as bonobos and chimps.

And we were arguing anal sex, were we not? It's unnatural for heterosexuals as well, obviously.

[Al-Meksiki]

That's a stretch. What are fingers for if not to manipulate our environment? The GI tract is clearly for the egestion of waste. The only reason to choose to use it for anything else would be a desire for the deviant - a desire to use it for something other than its obvious purpose. Sure, I can swallow glass. But it's pretty clearly unnatural.

So is it unatural for someone to put their fingers into their or another person's anus for pleasure?

[DarkSecret]

And we were arguing anal sex, were we not? It's unnatural for heterosexuals as well, obviously.

But nobody condemns it when heteros do something "unnatural".

[Loki]

That's a stretch. What are fingers for if not to manipulate our environment? The GI tract is clearly for the egestion of waste. The only reason to choose to use it for anything else would be a desire for the deviant - a desire to use it for something other than its obvious purpose. Sure, I can swallow glass. But it's pretty clearly unnatural.

But who cares if there are people who wish to do so? Why should anyone control other people's private lives?

[TenaciousTopologist]

I'd go gay for pay

[Smitty]

But nobody condemns it when heteros do something "unnatural".

The difference being heterosexuals (occasionally) do so with their natural sex partner. It's still unnatural, but it's less so.

[Smitty]

But who cares if there are people who wish to do so? Why should anyone control other people's private lives?

I don't care. In my first post, I said it should not be criminalized. I just think it betrays a psychological or physiological problem. We don't accept Down's syndrome as a proper variation of Homo sapiens. We recognize it for the aberration it is.

[Smitty]

So is it unatural for someone to put their fingers into their or another person's anus for pleasure?

Technically, yes.

[DarkSecret]

The difference being heterosexuals (occasionally) do so with their natural sex partner. It's still unnatural, but it's less so.

They feel it that way they don't choose their partner. How can it be unnatural if they feel sexual interest in the same sex while they can't feel anything to the opposite?

[Al-Meksiki]

Technically, yes.

Okay, follow up, is it unnatural for someone to put their fingers into a vagina for pleasure? A reminder that fingers are not intended by the powers that be to be inserted into the reproductive system

[JohnSmith]

I'd go gay for pay

Do you make sure the price is right?

[Smitty]

They feel it that way they don't choose their partner. How can it be unnatural if they feel sexual interest in the same sex while they can't feel anything to the opposite?

Because at its root, sex is for the purpose of procreation. Men can't procreate with men. Therefore, to use their reproductive system with other men is unnatural, whatever their feelings.

[DarkSecret]

I don't care. In my first post, I said it should not be criminalized. I just think it betrays a psychological or physiological problem. We don't accept Down's syndrome as a proper variation of Homo sapiens. We recognize it for the aberration it is.

Down's syndrome is well explained genetic disease. In contrast, homosexuality has never been proven to be a disease.

[Al-Meksiki]

I don't care. In my first post, I said it should not be criminalized. I just think it betrays a psychological or physiological problem. We don't accept Down's syndrome as a proper variation of Homo sapiens. We recognize it for the aberration it is.

If you think homosexuality and downs syndrome are at all comparable, I can only assume you have downs syndrome

[Smitty]

If you think homosexuality and downs syndrome are at all comparable, I can only assume you have downs syndrome

It's an analogy. Typically, as a liberal, you take it too far and miss its point.

[Al-Meksiki]

Because at its root, sex is for the purpose of procreation. Men can't procreate with men. Therefore, to use their reproductive system with other men is unnatural, whatever their feelings.

Sex also has a function as a form of socialization and relationship building in social animals, such as great apes. Bonobos use sex as a kind of social interaction, as do Chimpanzees and Gorillas.

[Kazimiera]

I'd go gay for pay

I watched a Louis Tredoux documentary on the porn industry and one of the people being interviewed was a straight guy doing gay porn. As you say, gay for pay. The guy did a shoot in the morning and in the afternoon he went for a ski. What a bizarre life, get your ass pounded by a bunch of guys in the morning and go for a nice ski in the afternoon. And then not be gay on top of it. I dunno..............

[Smitty]

Sex also has a function as a form of socialization and relationship building in social animals, such as great apes. Bonobos use sex as a kind of social interaction, as do Chimpanzees and Gorillas.

A far secondary function (that has only seen emphasis in a sex-obsessed age and at a time when, in theory, the earth is overpopulated). It follows that it belongs within relationships brought on by the primary function.

[Journeyman26]

Honestly doesn't affect my life one iota. As long as its between two consensual adults, live and let live.

[Al-Meksiki]

A far secondary function (that has only seen emphasis in a sex-obsessed age and at a time when, in theory, the earth is overpopulated). It follows that it belongs within relationships brought on by the primary function.

It's far from a modern occurrence. I can point to the prominence of sexual relationships among the Gaulish warriors to strengthen the bonds between them, as well as the practice of male same-sex relationships among the samurai of Japan as a part of mentorship.

[Smitty]

A far secondary function (that has only seen emphasis in a sex-obsessed age and at a time when, in theory, the earth is overpopulated). It follows that it belongs within relationships brought on by the primary function.

As a very rough example, Twinkies (great pun, I know) taste great, but because pleasure is secondary to nutritional value in eating, we recognize that Twinkies are not an ideal food choice.

[♥ Lily ♥]

I believe in freedom for all to do as they wish as long as it does not physically harm people.

+1

[DarkSecret]

As a very rough example, Twinkies (great pun, I know) taste great, but because pleasure is secondary to nutritional value in eating, we recognize that Twinkies are not an ideal food choice.

But what if you throw up when you eat that ideal food and can only eat "twinkies"? Will you give up on eating?

[Smitty]

But what if you throw up when you eat that ideal foods and can only eat "twinkies"? Will you give up on eating?

Take an analogy for what it's worth, no more.

[Al-Meksiki]

As a very rough example, Twinkies (great pun, I know) taste great, but because pleasure is secondary to nutritional value in eating, we recognize that Twinkies are not an ideal food choice.

To further this lets compare, say, milk, a healthy nutritious food, to twinkies. If you gorge on twinkies you will eventually get sick, especially if you pay no heed to what your doing and where these twinkies come from. However, if you also gorge on milk, and pay no heed to where it comes from, and do not concern yourself with your actions, you'l also get sick. However, in both cases, if you are able to control yourself and induldge in them responsibly, you will be completely fine in both cases.

[DarkSecret]

Take an analogy for what it's worth, no more.

It was your analogy but okay..

[Smitty]

To further this lets compare, say, milk, a healthy nutritious food, to twinkies. If you gorge on twinkies you will eventually get sick, especially if you pay no heed to what your doing and where these twinkies come from. However, if you also gorge on milk, and pay no heed to where it comes from, and do not concern yourself with your actions, you'l also get sick. However, in both cases, if you are able to control yourself and induldge in them responsibly, you will be completely fine in both cases.

Are you saying you're in favor of homosexuality in moderation? That makes me smile.

[Al-Meksiki]

A better analogy for heterosexuality vs homosexuality using food is a theoretical vegan vs carnivore diet. Both are doable, and while vegans may be more established and accepted and catered too, and there is a health risk to a pure carnivorous diet, it is doable if you are careful and take precautions with the dangers that may come, and if you are smart about your actions, you can live a healthy and fufilling life. But do not think the vegan diet is perfect, for it too comes with disease and challenges, even if they are less prevalent.

[DarkSecret]

To further this lets compare, say, milk, a healthy nutritious food, to twinkies. If you gorge on twinkies you will eventually get sick, especially if you pay no heed to what your doing and where these twinkies come from. However, if you also gorge on milk, and pay no heed to where it comes from, and do not concern yourself with your actions, you'l also get sick. However, in both cases, if you are able to control yourself and induldge in them responsibly, you will be completely fine in both cases.

What about milky twinkies mmm yummy :D

[Smitty]

It was your analogy but okay..

:) It was. I think I took it as far as it was useful to do.

[Al-Meksiki]

Are you saying you're in favor of homosexuality in moderation? That makes me smile.

I'm bi, i take both in moderation

[Smitty]

A better analogy for heterosexuality vs homosexuality using food is a theoretical vegan vs carnivore diet. Both are doable, and while vegans may be more established and accepted and catered too, and there is a health risk to a pure carnivorous diet, it is doable if you are careful and take precautions with the dangers that may come, and if you are smart about your actions, you can live a healthy and fufilling life. But do not think the vegan diet is perfect, for it too comes with disease and challenges, even if they are less prevalent.

This fails only because humans are omnivorous. We have the teeth to prove it.

[Al-Meksiki]

This fails only because humans are omnivorous. We have the teeth to prove it.

in your own words, "take the analogy for what its worth"

also, human history seems to suggest humans are naturally bi/pan anyways so

[Smitty]

in your own words, "take the analogy for what its worth"

also, human history seems to suggest humans are naturally bi/pan anyways so

But you're comparing a homosexual lifestyle (which we don't have the parts for) to a vegan lifestyle (when our teeth demonstrate that we're omnivorous).

[DarkSecret]

But you're comparing a homosexual lifestyle (which we don't have the parts for) to a vegan lifestyle (when our teeth demonstrate that we're omnivorous).

You hate them because your testosterone tells you to do so. Your genes want to eliminate them discriminate them because you see yourself as a protector of manhood.

[Smitty]

You hate them because your testosterone tells you to do so. Your genes want to eliminate them discriminate them because you see yourself as a protector of manhood.

I don't hate anybody. The crazier ones disgust me, but I don't hate anyone. That's an odd conclusion to draw.

[Al-Meksiki]

But you're comparing a homosexual lifestyle (which we don't have the parts for) to a vegan lifestyle (when our teeth demonstrate that we're omnivorous).

vegans were the heterosexuals

in any case, we do have the parts for homosexual lifesyles, just not the parts for producing zygotes (partially, at least not with outside aid), although reproduction is not necessary for the social aspect of heterosexual lifestyles anyways.

[Al-Meksiki]

Anyways, here's the opinion of the Powers that Be on anal, straight from their own mouth

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/10/6c/25106c21877915b824571a2c99756c0b.jpg

[Robocop]

I don't have anything against them but I don't think they're normal, they are not normal.

No way, they are fluke of nature, because what is the basic rule of every life? EVERY LIFE ON EARTH? To reproduce in natural way, Homosexuals cannot reproduce, so by defeault they're fluke of nature, AKA; not normal (means not mentally crazy, but not normal). Sure, some of you may say to me now that some heterosexual ppl (normal humans) cannot have children, but those are exceptions to a rule (and rule is, heterosexuals are normal; heterosexuals can reproduce, HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT, period).

They ask for same rights as Heterosexuals, no way, Homosexuals should have (and they do, in Europe) citizenship rights, but they cannot have right to adopt children.

Not because they wouldn't be able to take care of that child, but because that child would be heterosexual (99% of chances), and that child would have serious psychological issues from childhood, especially in school, kids would tease him/her for years about his/her "mum & mum, or dad & dad", till age 18 such child would have serious psychological trauma one way or another.

That's it.


although reproduction is not necessary for the social aspect of heterosexual lifestyles anyways.

If wasn't for Heterosexual (normal) reproduction trough history Homosexuals wouldn't be alive in the first place, enough said.

I don't have anything against homosexuals, but they shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, nature didn't gave them that right, there is no Liberal man or woman which can go against natural law, why? See what I wrote above.

[Charles Bronson]

Simply: They are sick and the science give a proof.

[Robocop]

Simply: They are sick and the science give a proof.

They're fluke of nature, anomaly in nature (which is not somethin rare in natural world), but because of that they're not normal, they're not regular, they're anomaly and they should accept they're natural anomaly and not ask same rights for childrern which Heterosexuals have, right which is given BY NATURE to heterosexuals.

So yes, in one way, you could say they're sick.

[Svipdag]

A man's sex life is his own business. Unfortunately, there is a small but vociferous minority among homosexuals who have taken an :"In your face !" attitude which does not engender sympathy but, rather, hostility.There are probably no more homosexuals today than there were 70 years ago, but now, they have made an issue of it, and NOT to their advantage.

QVAE FVERENT VITIA MORES SVNT

LVCIVS ANNAEVS SENECA

[TenaciousTopologist]

Do you make sure the price is right?

my boipussy comes at a premium.


I watched a Louis Tredoux documentary on the porn industry and one of the people being interviewed was a straight guy doing gay porn. As you say, gay for pay. The guy did a shoot in the morning and in the afternoon he went for a ski. What a bizarre life, get your ass pounded by a bunch of guys in the morning and go for a nice ski in the afternoon. And then not be gay on top of it. I dunno..............

must have a had a nice draft while skiing.

[Mingle]

It is not something to have an opinion about... it exists in all species and is part of natural biological variation.

Exclusive sexual attraction to the same sex does not exist among wild animals.

Historically, gay acts (between men and young boys) existed, but homosexuality didn't.

A gene that causes homosexuality does not exist. There are cases of genetically identical twins where one twin is gay and the other isn't.

[Mingle]

They're fluke of nature, anomaly in nature (which is not somethin rare in natural world), but because of that they're not normal, they're not regular, they're anomaly and they should accept they're natural anomaly and not ask same rights for childrern which Heterosexuals have, right which is given BY NATURE to heterosexuals.

So yes, in one way, you could say they're sick.

Its not "nature". Its just a psychological thing. Homosexuality (exclusive attraction to the same sex) started in the late 19th/early 20th century.

Now the media is promoting it as if its an equivalent to heterosexuality so many people are becoming LGBT. About 20-25% right now.

https://www.episcopalcafe.com/one-fifth-of-millennials-openly-identify-as-lgbtq/

http://www.newnownext.com/millennials-gay-glaad/03/2017/

https://www.indy100.com/article/fifth-millennials-identify-survey-lgbtq-glaad-queer-7660741

http://www.pride.com/identities/2017/3/30/study-shows-millennials-are-queerest-generation-yet

[Sekarotuinen]

Hate the sin, not the sinner so to speak. I believe that homosexuality is something that nust be resisted. God has ordained that it is wrong, and those who believe should attempt to squash all homosexual thoughts.

[Rethel]

Why should anyone control other people's private lives?

If they are walking crying about it on the
streets, teach it at schools, promote in TV
and change the laws becasue of them - IT
IS NOT only their PRIVATE LIVE. :picard2:


The irony of the matter is that the gay laws that exist in Africa and India are remnants of the old British Empire, when homosexuality was criminalized in England. Before that, there were no laws against homosexuality in these places.

Wonderfull example explaining, why these places were shitholes on the map.

[Rethel]

Homosexuality = huge numbers of sex partners?

Average is hundrets... so, it is the point.

But even, if there would be one, it is the same
disgusting and they should be rightfully executed.

[DarkSecret]

They're fluke of nature, anomaly in nature (which is not somethin rare in natural world), but because of that they're not normal, they're not regular, they're anomaly and they should accept they're natural anomaly and not ask same rights for childrern which Heterosexuals have, right which is given BY NATURE to heterosexuals.

So yes, in one way, you could say they're sick.

You are the sick one you cannot label something nature creates as "unnatural". Wtf does that even mean? Don't use internet that's not natural... Don't use meds go and die in the age of 40. Living up to 100 is not natural for humans but we can live today with the help of medicine. Go kill yourself.

[DarkSecret]

Your very existence is unnatural! 8 billion people today shouldn't have existed in the first place. Because there was no enough food and enough plants for that. Nature never meant that! After the invention of ammonia production by Fritz Haber and thus nitrogen fixation in the air to the earth for producing "artificial fertilizers" humankind has avoided famine and certain population stabilization or decrease.

Now again we are in a turning point that food is not adequate. Scientists are trying to solve this problem now with GMOs. Yea after unnatural fertilizers now we are eating unnatural foods that are genetically modified and talking about gays are not natural. Ha ha ha.

[Hithaeglir]

I have no issue with them,there are gay people in my environment as well,np.

[Enflamme]

I have no issue with them,there are gay people in my environment as well,np.

Nationalism is better! What do you think? :p

And Greece = gay, no?

[Hithaeglir]

Nationalism is better! What do you think? :p

And Greece = gay, no?

Yes,Greece is gay for you <3

[Loki]

Average is hundrets... so, it is the point.

But even, if there would be one, it is the same
disgusting and they should be rightfully executed.

Gay people should be executed? lol, you are certainly going off the rails here my friend. I think you need a therapist.

[Loki]

Hate the sin, not the sinner so to speak. I believe that homosexuality is something that nust be resisted. God has ordained that it is wrong, and those who believe should attempt to squash all homosexual thoughts.

God hasn't ordained anything. He doesn't exist. Men made those ordinances, claiming it to be from "God". Don't believe it.

[Loki]

Wonderfull example explaining, why these places were shitholes on the map.

I see... places are "shitholes", because they tolerated homosexuality? And what about ancient Greece, ancient Rome? They were bum-fucking like rabbits, yet created Western civilization.

[Rethel]

Gay people should be executed? lol, you are certainly going off the rails here my friend. I think you need a therapist.

What is strange in that?
Through centuries in Europe they were executed.
This is traditional european rule - fag should be killed.
This is European presevationist cultural forum.
I am surrprized, that you are surrprized by it...

More than that - in your country it was forbidden under
criminal law yet 30? 50? years ago, not in mine. So the
more - how could you be shocked by that...? :picard2:

[DarkSecret]

I see... places are "shitholes", because they tolerated homosexuality? And what about ancient Greece, ancient Rome? They were bum-fucking like rabbits, yet created Western civilization.

Or Holland is shithole? They must have eaten their brain with bread and cheese.

[Rethel]

He doesn't exist.

How could you possibly know this? HOW?

[Heather Duval]

I like gays, lesbians, negros, asians, mixed people and everyone who is opressed
Since i am gay myself, I wear the shirt " All for one"
I do not care if people do not accept me, I like myself, I was born this way and there is nothing wrong with that. I will not live a life worrying about what they are thinking about me, fortunately we are in 2017 and we oppressed people, we have power. Nowadays you can not discriminate against a Negro, for example, and this is what irritates most prejudiced voices: Humanity is walking and no one can stop the one who has been trampled for being who they are

[DarkSecret]

I like gays, lesbians, negros, asians, mixed people and everyone who is opressed
Since i am gay myself, I wear the shirt " All for one"
I do not care if people do not accept me, I like myself, I was born this way and there is nothing wrong with that. I will not live a life worrying about what they are thinking about me, fortunately we are in 2017 and we oppressed people, we have power. Nowadays you can not discriminate against a Negro, for example, and this is what irritates most prejudiced voices: Humanity is walking and no one can stop the one who has been trampled for being who they are

Go for it bro!

[Rethel]

I see... places are "shitholes", because they tolerated homosexuality? And what about ancient Greece, ancient Rome? They were bum-fucking like rabbits, yet created Western civilization.

No, they didn't. civilisation created normal people. When they turned into fag society - they fall.
The rottening is sometimes not so quick, but the results are terrible. All highest Roman and Greek
achievments where done, before they became fags. The same is with our civilisation, which was
created by people, who were killing fags, at least prisoning them and dispising them. Now we are
dying, and faggots are only a sign of a rottening.

[DarkSecret]

No, they didn't. civilisation created normal people. When they turned into fag society - they fall.
The rottening is sometimes not so quick, but the results are terrible. All highest Roman and Greek
achievments where done, before they became fags. The same is with our civilisation, which was
created by people, who were killing fags, at least prisoning them and dispising them. Now we are
dying, and faggots are only a sign of a rottening.

Yea middle east is rising lol.

[Al-Meksiki]

How could you possibly know this? HOW?

Even if God exists, they don't really seem to care or be concerned with humanity

[Heather Duval]

Go for it bro!

Thank you. I could go deeper, on my quote "humanity is walking ..."
I truly believe in it, the people who are reincarnating on earth are more evolved spirit, who just want to love the next
I am a spiritualist and I read many books by allan kardec

[Loki]

How could you possibly know this? HOW?

Show me where he is. Can I talk to him on Skype, or something?

[Rethel]

Yea middle east is rising lol.

Islamic civilisation is much worse than Christian European
civilisation was, but certainly is better, than femino-faggish one.

And yes, ME is rising. Soon, they will "liberate" us.

[Heather Duval]

Even if God exists, they don't really seem to care or be concerned with humanity

Darling, God is watching everything but what can he do anything? Nothing, just try to guide you in the way of good if you want. This is called free will.

[Rethel]

Even if God exists, they don't really seem to care or be concerned with humanity

Maybe just you do not see this, or your expectations are wrong?


Show me where he is. Can I talk to him on Skype, or something?

:picard2:

[Heather Duval]

God gave free will to all, if your boyfriend beat you, it's not God's fault

[DarkSecret]

God gave free will to all, if your boyfriend beat you, it's not God's fault

Certainly, humans seem to have a habit to blame God for everything bad they do themselves...

[crazyladybutterfly]

Yes. I do not understand why people make a big deal about it.

religion

[crazyladybutterfly]

let them have fun as long (as they do not involve kids)

[Heather Duval]

Certainly, humans seem to have a habit to blame God for everything bad they do themselves...

If hitler was controled by God that nazis shit wouldnt never hapenned but free will did it
He was a shit human and isnt God's fault

[Loki]

What is strange in that?
Through centuries in Europe they were executed.
This is traditional european rule - fag should be killed.
This is European presevationist cultural forum.
I am surrprized, that you are surrprized by it...

More than that - in your country it was forbidden under
criminal law yet 30? 50? years ago, not in mine. So the
more - how could you be shocked by that...? :picard2:

You're living in the wrong time buddy. I think you'd be more at home in the Middle Ages :)

[Geni]

I am neutral....i dont care about this...if 1 person is correct I respect them,gay or not..

[DarkSecret]

let them have fun as long (as they do not involve kids)

I don't think they are having "fun". You label them as immoral STD carriers but you are also forbidding them to marry and have a family. Without the same rights heteros have they can't have modest lives or relationships...

[Heather Duval]

My argument about free will has several sides ... Religious believe in the power of God, if he is so powerful why he cant stop gays? According to the bible, he is against them

[Heather Duval]

A man who has crossed rivers and fires (this says in the bible), why can not he stop gays?

[Al-Meksiki]

Maybe just you do not see this, or your expectations are wrong?

In what way does God care about the average human? Aside from making humans aware of gnosis and the outside world through prophets, and of praxis to achieve gnosis, God really doesn't seem to care much for humans, and generally lets the universe function on its own.

[DarkSecret]

A man who has crossed rivers and fires (this says in the bible), why can not he stop gays?

Bible has been changed by bigots, hypocrites and patriarchs.

[Loki]

I like gays, lesbians, negros, asians, mixed people and everyone who is opressed


It's good that you like everyone, very inclusive :)

Is there any group you don't like?

[Loki]

No, they didn't. civilisation created normal people. When they turned into fag society - they fall.
The rottening is sometimes not so quick, but the results are terrible. All highest Roman and Greek
achievments where done, before they became fags. The same is with our civilisation, which was
created by people, who were killing fags, at least prisoning them and dispising them. Now we are
dying, and faggots are only a sign of a rottening.

No my friend, you should brush up on your history a bit...

[Loki]

Maybe just you do not see this, or your expectations are wrong?



:picard2:

Everything we know about God comes from the writings of some people. How do you know they were telling the truth, or were accurate? Especially in light of the fact that there are so many conflicting writings. It just shows the fingerprints of human nature - not God.

[Heather Duval]

It's good that you like everyone, very inclusive :)

Is there any group you don't like?

I dont think someone gay can be against something. Sometimes i troll fat people and maybe others but i really dont care or spend time thinking about it. Everyone is human.

[Loki]

Certainly, humans seem to have a habit to blame God for everything bad they do themselves...

.. or, they blame the devil, lol.

[Rethel]

You're living in the wrong time buddy. I think you'd be more at home in the Middle Ages :)

So, today, eating of shit is consider ugly, but, if after 20, 50, 100
years it will be consider delicious, you will share this opinion also, yes?

Btw, you said, that you are a germanic preservationist - so what the hell do you
want to preserve? Germanic modern faggism, feminism and black african immigration? :blink:


.. or, they blame the devil, lol.

The greatest success of Devil is that he convinsted you, that he doesn;t exist.

[Heather Duval]

.. or, they blame the devil, lol.

devil didnt exist on my "religion"
you should read the spirits' book by Allan kardec

[Heather Duval]

Spiritism is a well-known doctrine in Brazil, was born in France with Allan Kardec but became popular here. Europeans at that time were blinded by Catholicism.

[Rethel]

No my friend, you should brush up on your history a bit...

:confused:



Everything we know about God comes from the writings of some people.

Dozens of people.

Bible it is not Koran written by one illiterate guy.


How do you know they were telling the truth, or were accurate?

Becasue I checked it and was checking many years... 2/3 of my llife.


Especially in light of the fact that there are so many conflicting writings.

Arent.


It just shows the fingerprints of human nature - not God.

I see finger of God. Things, which people knew, but they shouldn't.

[Loki]

So, today, eating of shit is consider ugly, but, if after 20, 50, 100
years it will be consider delicious, you will share this opinion also, yes?

Btw, you said, that you are a germanic preservationist - so what the hell do you
want to preserve? Germanic modern faggism, feminism and black african immigration? :blink:


So, you reckon you'd only like to preserve aspects of a culture that you approve of?



The greatest success of Devil is that he convinsted you, that he doesn;t exist.

:lol:

Of course he doesn't exist. But people use him as a scapegoat to shift blame for their own failings onto someone else. Poor devil... :lol:

[Loki]

:confused:




Dozens of people.

Bible it is not Koran written by one illiterate guy.



Becasue I checked it and was checking many years... 2/3 of my llife.



Arent.



I see finger of God. Things, which people knew, but they shouldn't.

I can only wish that your eyes open one day.

[Rethel]

In what way does God care about the average human?

He gave to people everything they need to live.

Earth, rains, dirst, food, good climate, oxygen, two
hands, brains, free will, the will, creativity, aso...


God really doesn't seem to care much for humans,

Comeon! He gave his only begotten Son for people who hate him!

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten
Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be
destroyed but have everlasting life...

For, indeed, Christ, while we were yet weak, died for ungodly men
at the appointed time. For hardly will anyone die for a righteous
[man]; indeed, for the good [man], perhaps, someone even dares
to die. But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we
were yet sinners, Christ died for us.



and generally lets the universe function on its own.

Because he created it to work without his every day interventions.
Would you wish God to interrupt every your move telling you what
you can do or what don't in every second of your life?

[Rethel]

So, you reckon you'd only like to preserve aspects of a culture that you approve of?

No, but you seems to act like that :)
At least in that disscussion.


I can only wish that your eyes open one day.

What, if they are open and your aren't?

[Al-Meksiki]

Dozens of people.

Bible it is not Koran written by one illiterate guy.

Dozens of people who still managed to contradict each other. As well, the testaments that make up the gospels of the bible were written long after the events that they describe. There's a reason why Christianity is sometimes called the "Thousand Chef Stew", though I suppose that you'd also have to be aware of the idiom "too many cooks spoil the broth"

The Qu'ran is more reliable than the Bible as it accounts were written directly as they happened, and later compiled by people who personally knew the composer.

[DarkSecret]

Dozens of people who still managed to contradict each other. As well, the testaments that make up the gospels of the bible were written long after the events that they describe. There's a reason why Christianity is sometimes called the "Thousand Chef Stew", though I suppose that you'd also have to be aware of the idiom "too many cooks spoil the broth"

The Qu'ran is more reliable than the Bible as it accounts were written directly as they happened, and later compiled by people who personally knew the composer.

Yes but we witnesses know which verses were changed in the Bible.

[Loki]

What, if they are open and your aren't?

Unlikely. You are one of the most narrow-minded people I have encountered.

[Loki]

The Qu'ran is more reliable than the Bible as it accounts were written directly as they happened, and later compiled by people who personally knew the composer.

Careful... the Quran mirrors many of the "historical" tales of the Bible, but were written hundreds of years after the Biblical accounts.

[Kazimiera]

.. or, they blame the devil, lol.

Remember when Hansie Cronje was busted for match-fixing? :lol:

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[Rethel]

Dozens of people who still managed to contradict each other.

No, they don't.


As well, the testaments that make up the gospels of the bible were written long after the events that they describe.

Also nope.


There's a reason why Christianity is sometimes called the "Thousand Chef Stew", though I suppose that you'd also have to be aware of the idiom "too many cooks spoil the broth"

No.


The Qu'ran is more reliable than the Bible as it accounts were written directly as they happened, and later compiled by people who personally knew the composer.

:picard2:

There is a real bunch of contradictions, even if this is quite short bokk written by one guy. :picard2:

[Rethel]

Unlikely. You are one of the most narrow-minded people I have encountered.

Yea... chistian = narrow-minded... :picard2:

[Rethel]

Careful... the Quran mirrors many of the "historical" tales of the Bible


And almost all are either wrong or fictional, created btw.

[Lux Aeterna]

Indifferent.

[Loki]

Yea... chistian = narrow-minded... :picard2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

My brother suffers from it as well.

[Loki]

And almost all are either wrong or fictional, created btw.

I agree here.

[Insuperable]

Dozens of people who still managed to contradict each other. As well, the testaments that make up the gospels of the bible were written long after the events that they describe. There's a reason why Christianity is sometimes called the "Thousand Chef Stew", though I suppose that you'd also have to be aware of the idiom "too many cooks spoil the broth"

The Qu'ran is more reliable than the Bible as it accounts were written directly as they happened, and later compiled by people who personally knew the composer.

Little Muslime girl, you as usually have no idea what you are talking about.


Textual problems have led some modern scholars to question the credibility of the Gospels, and even to doubt the historical existence of Christ. These studies have provoked lately and intriguing reaction from an unlikely source: Julien Gracq - an old and prestigious novelist, who was close to the Surrealist movement - made a comment which is all the more arresting for coming from an agnostic. In a volume of essays, Gracq first acknowledged the impressive learning of one of these scholars (whose lectures he had attended in his youth), as well as the devastating logic of his reasoning; but he confessed that, in the end, he still found himself left with one fundamental objection: for all his formidable erudition, the scholar in question simply had no ear - he could not hear what should be so obvious to any sensitive reader - that, underlying the text of the Gospels, there is a masterly and powerful unity of style, which derives from one unique and inimitable voice; there is the presence of one singular and exceptional personality whose expression is so original, so bold that one could call it impudent. Now if you deny the existence of Jesus, you must transfer all these attributes to some obscure, anonymous writer, who should have had an improble genius of inventing such a character - or, even more implausibly, you must transfer this prodigious capacity for invention to an entire committee of writers. And Gracq concluded: in the end, if modern scholars, progressive-minded clerics, and the docile public all surrender to this critical erosion of the Scriptures, the last group of defenders, who will obstinately maintain that there is a living Jesus at the central core of the Gospels will be made of artists and creative writers, from whom the psychological evidence of style carries much more weight than mere philological arguments.

[Nehellenia]

I don't care who is gay.. the world already has a population crisis xD it's possibly going to be 10 billion by 2100 and if the genders become unequal in the world, they'll need to be gay people out there. But anyway.. what consenting adults do in the bedroom, i don't think about or stay up at night pondering on.

[Al-Meksiki]

Little Muslime girl, you as usually have no idea what you are talking about.

Your assumption is that I deny that Jesus existed, when I do not, and do believe that he existed

A central idea of Gnosticism is that Jesus was a messenger of the True God who conveyed the message of Gnosis and achieving Gnosis

Christianity is just a corruption of his message by falsely equating him with a fake god using stories that incorporate elements of deities like Mithra.

[Loki]

Your assumption is that I deny that Jesus existed, when I do not, and do believe that he existed

A central idea of Gnosticism is that Jesus was a messenger of the True God who conveyed the message of Gnosis and achieving Gnosis

Christianity is just a corruption of his message by falsely equating him with a fake god using stories that incorporate elements of deities like Mithra.

You converted from Islam to become a Gnostic?

[Insuperable]

Your assumption is that I deny that Jesus existed, when I do not, and do believe that he existed

A central idea of Gnosticism is that Jesus was a messenger of the True God who conveyed the message of Gnosis and achieving Gnosis

Christianity is just a corruption of his message by falsely equating him with a fake god using stories that incorporate elements of deities like Mithra.

I obviously know that you as a Muslime believe Jesus existed. My point was on something else entirely. Think deeper. The corruption of messsage is shitslam. Beautiful message of Gospels corrupted by warlord, pedophile, caravan raider, head chopper by the name of Muhammad.

[Al-Meksiki]

You converted from Islam to become a Gnostic?

Hmm, I wouldn't say that it was a conversion. I still have a strong root in Islamic thought, but It's a influenced by the idea of Gnosis and Nirvana. I sometimes jokingly identify myself as a Sabian.


I obviously know that you as a Muslime believe Jesus existed. My point was on something else entirely. Think deeper. The corruption of messsage is shitslam. Beautiful message of Gospels corrupted by warlord, pedophile, caravan raider, head chopper by the name of Muhammad.

Muhammad was just another messenger, using a different approach. The political and oratory approach of Jesus failed, and his message became a corrupted mess.

Islam should take heed not to go the same way.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Live and let live. As long as it isn't overtly openly on display in a graphic way then what the hell is the problem?