Blond English footballers vs blond German footballers - which would pass more easily in Scandinavia?

[Tooting Carmen]

The obverse of the thread I made the other day.

Blond English footballers
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Jordan_Pickford_2018_%28cropped%29.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Butland_2018.jpghttps://img.maximummedia.ie/joe_co_uk/eyJkYXRhIjoie1widXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvbWVkaW Etam9lY291ay5tYXhpbXVtbWVkaWEuaWUuczMuYW1hem9uYXdz LmNvbVxcXC93cC1jb250ZW50XFxcL3VwbG9hZHNcXFwvMjAxNV xcXC8wOVxcXC8xNzE5MDcxMFxcXC9zaGF3dGFja2xlLmpwZ1wi LFwid2lkdGhcIjo3NjcsXCJoZWlnaHRcIjo0MzEsXCJkZWZhdW x0XCI6XCJodHRwczpcXFwvXFxcL3d3dy5qb2UuY28udWtcXFwv YXNzZXRzXFxcL2ltYWdlc1xcXC9qb2Vjb3VrXFxcL25vLWltYW dlLnBuZz92PTIyXCIsXCJvcHRpb25zXCI6W119IiwiaGFzaCI6 IjE4MjM2MTFhY2VjMmY1YzY3YWQ4YjM0Mzg4YThhMDdjZjZkYj ZmMmQifQ==/shawtackle.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Eric_Dier_2018-06-28_1.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Harry_Kane_in_Russia_2.jpg/451px-Harry_Kane_in_Russia_2.jpghttps://premierleague-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/premierleague/photos/players/250x250/p15749.pnghttps://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/117996-1469631370.jpghttps://premierleague-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/premierleague/photos/players/250x250/p149266.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Jamie_Vardy_2018.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Blond German footballers
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_B ernd_Leno_850_0646.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_B ernd_Leno_850_0646.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_N iklas_S%C3%BCle_850_0725.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_N iklas_S%C3%BCle_850_0725.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J ulian_Brandt_850_0710.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J ulian_Brandt_850_0710.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M arco_Reus_850_0626.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M arco_Reus_850_0626.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J oshua_Kimmich_850_0717.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J oshua_Kimmich_850_0717.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_T imo_Werner_850_0621.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_T imo_Werner_850_0621.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/FIFA_WC-qualification_2014_-_Austria_vs._Germany_2012-09-11_-_Marc-Andr%C3%A9_ter_Stegen_01.JPG/1024px-FIFA_WC-qualification_2014_-_Austria_vs._Germany_2012-09-11_-_Marc-Andr%C3%A9_ter_Stegen_01.JPGhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_N ils_Petersen_850_0686.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_N ils_Petersen_850_0686.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

N.B. Yes I know that there are more blond German footballers than English ones. While that is partly explained by the fact that Germans are as a whole blonder than English people anyway, there is also the fact that the German football team is still somewhat whiter than the English football team.

[Benyzero]

I always had the image that germans are closer to the scando look, especially the Northern ones. Judging by these photos they pass equally as well.

[Bellbeaking]

Any blond north european passes in scandinavia, they all pass there, those germans are blonder than the Brits though.

Most of the white England 2018 world cup squad where blondish were they not? like 5 blondish players in the starting lineup (kane, pickford, dier, henderson, trippier, vardy, hart) but not a single really pure blonde, german team had less % blondes but more really blonde players.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0434/4749/files/John_Stones_Haircut_1024x1024.jpg?v=1544519116 stones sometimes also looks blondoid especially when he was younger
h
http://images.sport.co.uk/750x417/0d7d069d9606946bde15a6bcb981c1a0.jpg henderson as you didn't include him

[Tooting Carmen]

Any blond north european passes in scandinavia, they all pass there, those germans are blonder than the Brits though.

Most of the white England 2018 world cup squad where blondish were they not? like 5 blondish players in the starting lineup (kane, pickford, dier, henderson, trippier, vardy, hart) but not a single really pure blonde, german team had less % blondes but more really blonde players.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0434/4749/files/John_Stones_Haircut_1024x1024.jpg?v=1544519116 stones sometimes also looks blondoid especially when he was younger

http://images.sport.co.uk/750x417/0d7d069d9606946bde15a6bcb981c1a0.jpg

Well I think that Germans have more of both extremes than the English - more blond Scandinavian-like types but also more truly Med types - and both my threads indicate this.

[Rouxinol]

The Germans, they're more "Baltoid"-like than the British and Scandinavia is full of Nordo-Baltoid types... Probably the most common phenotype in Sweden.

[Tooting Carmen]

The Germans, they more "Baltoid"-like than the British and Scandinavia is full of Nordo-Baltoid types... Probably the most common phenotype in Sweden.

Would you agree that Eric Dier is the most German-looking one of the English footballers?

[Knight Slayer]

The Germans have Baltic/Alpine features, much more than the English who are predominantly Nordic looking with very, very minor Continental Mediterranean admixture in two of them. The Germans pass better in the Nordic countries because Baltic is a much, much stronger component there than in England.

[The Blade]

The Germans look more Scandinavian due to lower Celtic and higher Baltic input.

[Rouxinol]

Would you agree that Eric Dier is the most German-looking one of the English footballers?

Out of that sample yes.

[Tooting Carmen]

Out of that sample yes.

By contrast, IMO Harry Kane would actually pass better as a light Spaniard or Italian than in any Germanic or Slavic country.

[The Blade]

Two of these men are brown-haired to my eyes, not blond:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Butland_2018.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Jamie_Vardy_2018.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Two of these men are brown-haired to my eyes, not blond:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Butland_2018.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Jamie_Vardy_2018.jpg

Borderline imo. More photos of Jack Butland and Jamie Vardy:
https://e0.365dm.com/18/08/768x432/skysports-jack-butland-england_4405782.jpg?20180830165840https://i.eurosport.com/2017/04/30/2073251-43460230-2560-1440.jpg?w=1050
https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/879000/620x/Jamie-Vardy-639169.jpghttps://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/201640.jpg

[The Blade]

By contrast, IMO Harry Kane would actually pass better as a light Spaniard or Italian than in any Germanic or Slavic country.
He would fit better as Dutch than Mediterranean of any sort.

[Knight Slayer]

He would fit better as Dutch than Mediterranean of any sort.

I am inclined to agree with you.

[Tooting Carmen]

He would fit better as Dutch than Mediterranean of any sort.

Superficially yes, but aren't his features rather Gracile for a Dutchman or any kind of Germanic?

[nafz]

Both groups can pass, Germans more so.

However even some of the Germans of this sample have other elements (Alpine, Dinarid) in their phenotype and not all are 100% Nordics.

What I mean by that is they lack the quintessential Scandinavian look which is that of Tronder or Hallstatt nordid.

Most passable of the Germans
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/FIFA_WC-qualification_2014_-_Austria_vs._Germany_2012-09-11_-_Marc-Andr%C3%A9_ter_Stegen_01.JPG/1024px-FIFA_WC-qualification_2014_-_Austria_vs._Germany_2012-09-11_-_Marc-Andr%C3%A9_ter_Stegen_01.JPG

Least passable
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_T imo_Werner_850_0621.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_T imo_Werner_850_0621.jpg

[The Blade]

Superficially yes, but aren't his features rather Gracile for a Dutchman or any kind of Germanic?
Dutch peoples:
Woman on the right could be Kane's sister:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6oV3VVF_LL4/hqdefault.jpg
A lot of leptoprosopic Aurignacid faces here:
https://dutchreview.com/wp-content/uploads/Dutch_football_supporters_20120609_1-1.jpg
Ancient Frankish king Charlemagne (Franks participated in the ethnogenesis of the Dutch) is usually portrayed as a Keltoid type:
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/charlemagne_hero_ab.jpeg
https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc5MDg2OTczMzk2NzAz/portrait-of-charlemagne.jpg
Kane is a Kelto-Hallstatt mix. Many Northwestern Germanics belong to purely Nordic types, not all are of CM derivation.
As for gracility, I think that some of the types you call gracile from both Southern and Northern Europe are at least intermediate in this regard.
Harry Kane has pretty normal height/weight ratio and musculature.
Dude is 1,88 m. tall and weighs 86 kg.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/17b4961867aac2188d8b9adcfa698717
https://gmsrp.cachefly.net/images/18/04/15/86af897871accab80f96c2e293fe5d93/960.jpg
https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/881000/620x/Tottenham-star-Harry-Kane-746718.jpg
On the other hand, Peter Crouch is an example of a truly gracile and skinny kind of Nordic, being 201 cm. tall and only 75 kg. No muscles.
It's even more amazing because athletes are normally robust than the average for their population but this isn't his case:
https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/01/gettyimages-893934884.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=700&quality=100
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zigblins/12567010/404233/404233_original.jpg
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/682678122.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C438

[Tooting Carmen]

Dutch peoples:
Woman on the right could be Kane's sister:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6oV3VVF_LL4/hqdefault.jpg
A lot of leptoprosopic Aurignacid faces here:
https://dutchreview.com/wp-content/uploads/Dutch_football_supporters_20120609_1-1.jpg
Ancient Frankish king Charlemagne (Franks participated in the ethnogenesis of the Dutch) is usually portrayed as a Keltoid type:
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/charlemagne_hero_ab.jpeg
https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc5MDg2OTczMzk2NzAz/portrait-of-charlemagne.jpg
Kane is a Kelto-Hallstatt mix. Many Northwestern Germanics belong to purely Nordic types, not all are of CM derivation.
As for gracility, I think that some of the types you call gracile from both Southern and Northern Europe are at least intermediate in this regard.
Harry Kane has pretty normal height/weight ratio and musculature.
Dude is 1,88 m. tall and weighs 86 kg.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/17b4961867aac2188d8b9adcfa698717
https://gmsrp.cachefly.net/images/18/04/15/86af897871accab80f96c2e293fe5d93/960.jpg
https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/881000/620x/Tottenham-star-Harry-Kane-746718.jpg
On the other hand, Peter Crouch is an example of a truly gracile and skinny kind of Nordic, being 201 cm. tall and only 75 kg. No muscles.
It's even more amazing because athletes are normally robust than the average for their population but this isn't his case:
https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/01/gettyimages-893934884.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=700&quality=100
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zigblins/12567010/404233/404233_original.jpg
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/682678122.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C438

How would you classify Welsh rugby player Gareth Davies? Because to me, even with his muscular physique he still looks quite Gracile:
https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/lions/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/16135242/Gareth-Davies.jpghttp://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74782000/jpg/_74782715_gareth.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHKWQK9VYAA0E5A.jpg

[Livin]

Majority of english footballers are of keltic variety.They look very foreigner IMO for scandinavia.Germans on the other hand are mixed with alpine and baltid elements makes them more eastern shifted.

[Bellbeaking]

The Germans look more Scandinavian due to lower Celtic and higher Baltic input.


Germans have more real celtic (halstatt) input than brits, brits are mostly proto-north indo european bell beaker/nordwestbloc, unless celtic just means british isles people now. Always a confusing term.

[The Blade]

How would you classify Welsh rugby player Gareth Davies? Because to me, even with his muscular physique he still looks quite Gracile:
https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/lions/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/16135242/Gareth-Davies.jpghttp://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74782000/jpg/_74782715_gareth.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHKWQK9VYAA0E5A.jpg
Atlantid. Face is a normal Aurignacid one but still his bizygomatic breadth is probably 30% bigger than Crouch's.
Would be an average dude without the trainings but still much more robust than the thin-framed Peter.

[MysteriousWays]

Germans by a good bit

[Zuh]

I have always wondered why white americans don't look good as this people on average if they're supposly decends from both groups English and Germans at least the majority of them.

[Knight Slayer]

I have always wondered why white americans don't look good as this people on average if they're supposly decends from both groups English and Germans at least the majority of them.

White Americans hold some of the most beautiful people on Earth. What are you talking about?

Most are fat and out of shape as well as overworked and stressed out.

[Dna8]

This thread is much more complex than its dark haired counterpart.. I'm not sure how to phrase my answer, just yet.

[Zuh]

White Americans hold some of the most beautiful people on Earth. What are you talking about?

Most are fat and out of shape as well as overworked and stressed out.

More like me questioning you instead what are you talking a about? I'm from California so I'm aware of the white american spectrum they are far being attracted as their Northern European cousins very far i would say.

Most be the American diet. While in Europe being on shaped it is a daily routine.

[Dna8]

The Brits look more Scandinavian, IMO. The Brits' aesthetic clusters with Northern Europe, more so than it does with Continental Europe.

[Matxe92]

Any blond north european passes in scandinavia, they all pass there, those germans are blonder than the Brits though.

Most of the white England 2018 world cup squad where blondish were they not? like 5 blondish players in the starting lineup (kane, pickford, dier, henderson, trippier, vardy, hart) but not a single really pure blonde, german team had less % blondes but more really blonde players.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0434/4749/files/John_Stones_Haircut_1024x1024.jpg?v=1544519116 stones sometimes also looks blondoid especially when he was younger
h
http://images.sport.co.uk/750x417/0d7d069d9606946bde15a6bcb981c1a0.jpg henderson as you didn't include him

No they dont. What are you talking about?

I'll mention a few that pass well in scandinavia.
Forget the others they don't pass in scandinavia at all.

Jamie Vardy: Very strong pass in Denmark
Toni Kroos: OK pass in Scandinavia
Ter stegen: Medium pass in Scandinavia in general

[Creoda]

Some more blond England internationals from down the years


David Batty
http://www.solofutbol.cl/Imagenes/Albunes%20de%20futbol/inglaterra/Suecia%201992/batty,%20david%201992.jpg

Geoff Thomas
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/bf/03/f2bf031c6ddd3459a27e24acf87a8b8e.jpg

Colin Bell

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/England+Football+Captains+Look+Back+KzbReYobd3Wx.j pg

Chris Woods

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/chris-woods-england-goalkeeper-picture-id650866546?s=612x612

Gary Bailey
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/gary-bailey-england-goalkeeper-picture-id677193892?s=612x612

Francis Lee
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/66/29/f56629b8f658824035f84ab45a8289d1.jpg

Kerry Dixon
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/551000/dixon-668551.jpg

Stuart Pearce
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1989-stuart-pearce-england-and-who-won-78-picture-id78992410?s=612x612

Alan Shearer
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/GDCRJ0/alan-shearer-football-england-national-team-and-newcastle-united-GDCRJ0.jpg

Lee Dixon
https://footballstopten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-14-at-3.47.27-PM.png

Jack Charlton
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcqKSbRW4AUSBpC.jpg:small

Bobby Moore
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/bb/cc/aebbccc22f983b84d713855d964cd52f.jpg

Gary Stevens
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/5f/88/435f88f0dadaa6cb188075d3c1c48641.jpg

Peter Barnes
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1980peter-barnes-england-and-who-won-22-picture-id78992572?s=594x594

Tony Morley
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1982-tony-morley-england-and-who-won-6-caps-picture-id78992189?s=594x594

Ian Walker
https://www.celebagents.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IanWalker.jpg

Warren Barton
http://www.sporting-heroes.net/content/thumbnails/00111/11005-zoom.jpg

Michael Dawson
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/4077.jpg

Ron Flowers
http://www.wolvesheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/flowers-colour.jpg

Gerry Hitchens
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/30/16/37B64DD900000578-0-image-m-30_1472571647155.jpg

Brian Greenhoff
http://prints.colorsport.co.uk/p/210/englands-brian-greenhoff-1978-british-8654429.jpg

George Eastham
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkf1n1WIAAEHsQ.jpg

Sammy Lee
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1983-sammy-lee-england-and-who-won-14-caps-picture-id78992675?s=612x612

[Dna8]

Some more blond England internationals from down the years


David Batty
http://www.solofutbol.cl/Imagenes/Albunes%20de%20futbol/inglaterra/Suecia%201992/batty,%20david%201992.jpg

Geoff Thomas
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/bf/03/f2bf031c6ddd3459a27e24acf87a8b8e.jpg

Colin Bell

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/England+Football+Captains+Look+Back+KzbReYobd3Wx.j pg

Chris Woods

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/chris-woods-england-goalkeeper-picture-id650866546?s=612x612

Gary Bailey
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/gary-bailey-england-goalkeeper-picture-id677193892?s=612x612

Francis Lee
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/66/29/f56629b8f658824035f84ab45a8289d1.jpg

Kerry Dixon
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/551000/dixon-668551.jpg

Stuart Pearce
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1989-stuart-pearce-england-and-who-won-78-picture-id78992410?s=612x612

Alan Shearer
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/GDCRJ0/alan-shearer-football-england-national-team-and-newcastle-united-GDCRJ0.jpg

Lee Dixon
https://footballstopten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-14-at-3.47.27-PM.png

Jack Charlton
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcqKSbRW4AUSBpC.jpg:small

Bobby Moore
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/bb/cc/aebbccc22f983b84d713855d964cd52f.jpg

Gary Stevens
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/5f/88/435f88f0dadaa6cb188075d3c1c48641.jpg

Peter Barnes
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1980peter-barnes-england-and-who-won-22-picture-id78992572?s=594x594

Tony Morley
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1982-tony-morley-england-and-who-won-6-caps-picture-id78992189?s=594x594

Ian Walker
https://www.celebagents.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IanWalker.jpg

Warren Barton
http://www.sporting-heroes.net/content/thumbnails/00111/11005-zoom.jpg

Michael Dawson
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/4077.jpg

Ron Flowers
http://www.wolvesheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/flowers-colour.jpg

Gerry Hitchens
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/30/16/37B64DD900000578-0-image-m-30_1472571647155.jpg

Brian Greenhoff
http://prints.colorsport.co.uk/p/210/englands-brian-greenhoff-1978-british-8654429.jpg

George Eastham
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkf1n1WIAAEHsQ.jpg

Sammy Lee
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sport-football-pic-circa-1983-sammy-lee-england-and-who-won-14-caps-picture-id78992675?s=612x612


Your set features Northern aesthetics (but with that pull westwards (NW))

[Creoda]

Your set features Northern aesthetics (but with that pull westwards (NW))
Naturally, that's why English don't look much like Swedes and many Germans (too much Baltic pull) but share some resemblance with Norwegians and Danes.

[Dna8]

Naturally, that's why English don't look much like Swedes and many Germans (too much Baltic pull) but share some resemblance with Norwegians and Danes.

Interesting, I've never thought of the English aesthetic in quite that same way (but I like the notion of the "Baltid" as delineator)..

[Visage pâle]

Blonds germans.

[leonj]

blond German footballers

[Deneb]

Blond Northern Germans (I know my answer is a bit elusive)

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Nurzat]

overall English look closer to Swedes (less CM), Germans closer to Danes/Norwegians (more CM)

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Norb]

bump

[Septentrion]

overall English look closer to Swedes (less CM), Germans closer to Danes/Norwegians (more CM)

The English and the other British are more Nordid than Germans! This has already been noted by various physical anthropologists.

[Cristiano viejo]

Most of the English examples are not blondes.

[Septentrion]

The obverse of the thread I made the other day.

Blond English footballers
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Please post blond English people not these. I see the bias here.
Chris Tomlinson
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chris+Tomlinson+Chariots+Fire+UK+Film+Premiere+dQe 9o96IdH-l.jpg
Dan Clark
https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/7/25/1311607892912/Dan-Clark-basketball-Grea-007.jpg
Ed Scott
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Edward+Scott+Team+GB+Water+Polo+Athletes+Announced +gkSmsrvsF13l.jpg
Fran Halsall
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/15/article-2015249-0D07C66C00000578-252_306x423.jpg
Jonnie Peacock
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jonnie+Peacock+2012+London+Paralympics+Day+T8YTfzg mQuYl.jpg
Alistair Wilson
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alastair+Wilson+Team+GB+Men+Hockey+Squad+Announced +K09KPQi1nIQl.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

Half of the guys are not even really blond, that said, imo the english set is more nordid looking wich doesn't necessary mean they pass better in Scandinavia, there's tons of Scandos with baltoid features and the germans have def. alot of that.

[Septentrion]

These are true English blonds.
Ross Davenport
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ross+Davenport+Red+Carpet+Titanic+3D+Premiere+bGtm sxuw_5Nl.jpg
Jon Schofield
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jonathan+Schofield+Team+GB+Canoe+Sprint+Athletes+J 8A3g3xHQuGl.jpg
Rachel Cawthorn
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rachel+Cawthorn+Team+GB+Canoe+Sprint+Athletes+M5cE DmPvBd4l.jpg
Whitbread
http://i.piccy.info/i9/93f4a37a4c91b8e12d45b660095087b2/1529713034/49953/1093740/Zak_Whitbread_800.jpg
Louis Spencer
http://i.piccy.info/i9/41efa96b7a1531e1a6c5697b97441a49/1529714008/74889/1093740/Louis_Spencer_Gloucester_Photocall_Kingsholm_STplU Jc1lMox_800.jpg
Liam Parfitt
http://i.piccy.info/i9/c87a44936f9a7d0ae2d0d3948b750834/1531434088/59781/1093740/Liam_Parfitt_Sale_Photocall_XQt4kMLPXTOx_800.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

Please post blond English people not these. I see the bias here.
Chris Tomlinson
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chris+Tomlinson+Chariots+Fire+UK+Film+Premiere+dQe 9o96IdH-l.jpg
Dan Clark
https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/7/25/1311607892912/Dan-Clark-basketball-Grea-007.jpg
Ed Scott
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Edward+Scott+Team+GB+Water+Polo+Athletes+Announced +gkSmsrvsF13l.jpg
Fran Halsall
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/15/article-2015249-0D07C66C00000578-252_306x423.jpg
Jonnie Peacock
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jonnie+Peacock+2012+London+Paralympics+Day+T8YTfzg mQuYl.jpg
Alistair Wilson
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alastair+Wilson+Team+GB+Men+Hockey+Squad+Announced +K09KPQi1nIQl.jpg

This is about football players, dumbass !!!

[Latinus]

Germans pass better to me because of their significant Baltid imput.

[Henri729]

the Germans

[pompandy]

Germans, of the national Teams, Germans have more looks that I would say are more common(Baltids and Tronders I think) in Scandinavia like Leno, Neuer, Ter Stegen, Brandt, Klostermann, Baumann, etc.
While English players still have a distinct British Isles look, and some of the Players on the Team are not blond, lol.

[chociprasa]

Germans

[Östsvensk]

Germans and Scandinavians are closer to one another than either is to Brits. Not that they're far from Brits, though, but there are some British facial features that are non-existent in Scandinavia like Paul McCartney.

[Davystayn]

Germans due to general proximity - N Germany is literally connected to Denmark, England itself as an ethonym is formed from people who crossed a sea in boats.

Football in Eng is strongly working class, with a lot of Irish input too, football is particularly strong in north western urban areas, Liverpool and Manchester had a lot of Irish immigration. Michael Keane, Harry McGuire are partly Irish, like Paul McCartney, who is from Liverpool of course.

Also Germany has more Baltid input which isn't very common in Eng

[Sandman]

Germans look more stereotypically Scandinavian.

[Davystayn]

Irish or Welsh input broadly (as in Atlantid or Brunn) is virtually non existant in Germany but Baltid, Faelid, Alpine and Dinaric is virtually non existant in Eng

Also more Hallstat types in Germany, due to proximity, more KN in England

[TheMaestro]

First three Germans look exactly how I would imagine SS high ranked officers XD

[Norb]

Germanic English types pass better as Scandinavian more than Germans

[Immanenz]

Germanic English types pass better as Scandinavian more than Germans

Considering that half your Germanic English types arent even English... but seriously not many Scandinavians would fall into that, too much Nordo- Cms that you would reject.

[Norb]

Considering that half your Germanic English types arent even English... but seriously not many Scandinavians would fall into that, too much Nordo- Cms that sou would reject.

Consider that the people I post don't have to be English. Nor does it say that in the thread...The pictures I post are what a specific Germanic English type is from my view..
My point was not if Scandinavians can pass as Germanic English types but that Germanic English types pass better in Scandinavian than Germans

[Immanenz]

Consider that the people I post don't have to be English. Nor does it say that in the thread...The pictures I post are what a specific Germanic English type is from my view..
My point was not if Scandinavians can pass as Germanic English types but that Germanic English types pass better in Scandinavian than Germans

This phenotype is just a minority of people- you are basically cherrypicking who can fit into this phenotype.

[Norb]

This phenotype is just a minority of people- you are basically cherrypicking who can fit into this phenotype.

not cherry picking, you either have a Germanic English look or you don't

[Regnera]

Germans can pass easier in Scandinavia beacause they have more Baltic traits than English people.

[earthling1]

Germans have higher cheekbones than Brits and have more robust lower faces, and some very minor Slavic/Baltic look. Scandinavians seem similar to the Germans but don't have the same level of robustness and also don't often have high cheekbones. Compare Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg and Harry Kane.

[Davystayn]

Germans have higher cheekbones than Brits and have more robust lower faces, and some very minor Slavic/Baltic look. Scandinavians seem similar to the Germans but don't have the same level of robustness and also don't often have high cheekbones. Compare Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg and Harry Kane.

I agree but Harry Kane is half Irish. Jordan Pickford is a better example for what you are saying.

[Ketchup]

Germans in general I'd say. I was scrolling through instagram killing time and was on this Danish page and saw tones of Danish folks and I thought they looked very (North/West) German.

Germans are probably closer to Danes and Swedes while England might be closer to Norway than Germans are.

[Tooting Carmen]

More English blond footballers:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Aaron_Ramsdale_2019_%28cropped%29.png/800px-Aaron_Ramsdale_2019_%28cropped%29.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/2022-07-21_Fu%C3%9Fball%2C_M%C3%A4nner%2CFreundschaftsspie l%2C_RB_Leipzig_-_FC_Liverpool_1DX_2238_by_Stepro.jpg/1024px-2022-07-21_Fu%C3%9Fball%2C_M%C3%A4nner%2CFreundschaftsspie l%2C_RB_Leipzig_-_FC_Liverpool_1DX_2238_by_Stepro.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Jarrod_Bowen2023.jpeg/800px-Jarrod_Bowen2023.jpeghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Shaw_-_July_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg/800px-Shaw_-_July_2015_%28cropped%29.jpg