What would an Islamic version of the New World look like?

[Maguzanci]

I am really curious how would the Americas turned out.

The USA might not existed today if Arabs and North Africans discovered the Americas before Europeans and then convert the Injuns to Islam. Would Islamized Injuns ally with Arabs to defeat and kill British, German settlers in what is now the USA?

Latin America might also not existed today if the Muslims reach the New World. Would phenomena such as Islamized Amerindians ally with the Arabs and North Africans to fight the Spaniards happen? Would we also see massive settlements in the New World of various Muslim people from Arabs, Berbers, Persians, Turks, South Asians?


The Americas might still turned mixed race and multiracial though as a result of mixing between Muslims start to intermarry with the Amerindians in big amounts. Or if the Arabs brought Africans and then up creating Muslim version of triracials lol. I want to see how a Muslim Mestizo would look like- a mix between Arab/North African/Turk/Persian and Amerindian -would they look different from the usual Iberian and Amerindian mix?


Or the mixing might not happen as much and the it ends up similar to what happen in parts of Africa and South Asia ; the Natives were Islamized but not Arabized.

There has been this topic on various threads on AlternateHistory forums before:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/islamic-colonization-of-the-new-world.65296/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/islamisation-of-the-native-americans.259244/

But I want to see opinions here.

[Teutone]

It would be a wasteland of inner conflicts with no contribution to science,technology or literature like the rest of the islamic world.

There is no islamic nation with a space agency that goes further than launching satellites with foreign technology.

On the other hand without the US involvment in WW1, Germany would have won it most likely and we would speak German right now.

[Maguzanci]

It would be a wasteland of inner conflicts with no contribution to science,technology or literature like the rest of the islamic world.

There is no islamic nation with a space agency that goes further than launching satellites with foreign technology.

On the other hand without the US involvment in WW1, Germany would have won it most likely and we would speak German right now.

We would having Muslim Amerindians right now. I want to see how a Muslim Mestizo- Arab/North African/Persian and Amerindian mix would look like.

Also sexy, thicc Latinas would not exist as they would all be covering and praying to Allah.

I wouldn't mind if we were all speaking German right now tbh.I hate how popular and widespread English is right now. But would Germany become like the USA is now. ; attracting immigrants from all over the world. Am not sure Native Germans would want to be come that.

[Teutone]

We would having Muslim Amerindians right now. I want to see how a Muslim Mestizo- Arab/North African/Persian and Amerindian mix would look like.

Also sexy, thicc Latinas would not exist as they would all be covering and praying to Allah.

I wouldn't mind if we were all speaking German right now tbh.I hate how popular and widespread English is right now. But would Germany become like the USA is now. ; attracting immigrants from all over the world. Am not sure Native Germans would want to be come that.

I guess not since the 2nd Reich was no nation of immigrants nor capitalism but thats another alternate history lol

[rajputprincess]

Honestly would have been weird Latin America culture we know and love today won't have existed i never have been a big fan of islam because of oppression of women.

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[Maguzanci]

Honestly would have been weird Latin America culture we know and love today won't have existed i never have been a big fan of islam because of oppression of women.

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Yep Latinas might not even exist as they might all be covering and praying to Allah.

[rajputprincess]

Even through Islamic country are under developed now but during islamic golden age they were very developed i guess islam was made for olden times it is not suitable for modern i hope muslim realise it.

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[rajputprincess]

Yep Latinas might not even exist as they might all be covering and praying to Allah.They would still exist but they would have different look and different charm.

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[Maguzanci]

They would still exist but they would have different look and different charm.

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Yep you might get the Muslim version of Latinas instead like Muslim Mestizos and triracials. I don't think Americans would want be flooded with the Islamic version of Mexicans. Wait the USA might not even existed if Native Americans converted to Islam and ally with the Muslim Arabs/North Africans to fight the British and other European settlers.

[Autrigón]

Well it's an interesting situation.

First of all, the name of the continent wouldn't be "America". Its name would be "New Muslim land" or something like that and Amerindian as a term wouldn't exist neither, they would be called islamised savages or something like that.

The New Muslim land would be populated by muslim colonials (Arabs , middle eastern and north africans), black slaves and "amerindian" slaves.
Muslims in general are usually racist and they wouldn't mix with blacks and "amerindians". So we wouldn't have Jennifer Lopez or Salma Hayek.

Europe and some asiatic countries (Japan, China, etc) would be isolated and surrounded by muslims. Probably would be a long war between the two worlds. Europeans would have a mega-alliance, from Portugal to Iceland, from Iceland to Russia, from Russia to Greece...with Japan and China as allies.

Obviously there wouldn't have been WWI and WWII. Europeans would be too busy fighting against muslims, so they don't have time to fight eachothers. The big war begun in 1492 until today, so nobody had time to make discoveries in science because the countries are too busy training soldiers. No science...so no lamps, no cars, no planes, no nothing. Horses would be still our transport.

The world would be fucked but anyway Julio Iglesias would have a lot of children.

[Maguzanci]

Well it's an interesting situation.

First of all, the name of the continent wouldn't be "America". Its name would be "New Muslim land" or something like that and Amerindian as a term wouldn't exist neither, they would be called islamised savages or something like that.

The New Muslim land would be populated by muslim colonials (Arabs , middle eastern and north africans), black slaves and "amerindian" slaves.
Muslims in general are usually racist and they wouldn't mix with blacks and "amerindians". So we wouldn't have Jennifer Lopez or Salma Hayek.

Europe and some asiatic countries (Japan, China, etc) would be isolated and surrounded by muslims. Probably would be a long war between the two worlds. Europeans would have a mega-alliance, from Portugal to Iceland, from Iceland to Russia, from Russia to Greece...with Japan and China as allies.

Obviously there wouldn't have been WWI and WWII. Europeans would be too busy fighting against muslims, so they don't have time to fight eachothers. The big war begun in 1492 until today, so nobody had time to make discoveries in science because the countries are too busy training soldiers. No science...so no lamps, no cars, no planes, no nothing. Horses would be still our transport.

The world would be fucked but anyway Julio Iglesias would have a lot of children.

Agreed with every of your words. Dang I never thought that this would effect the scientific and technological discoveries that lead to the modern world today.

Yeah, another thing that needs to be mentioned is: those sexy thicc Latinas like Mestizas, Triracials that many White men craved would not exist as the Muslims would be too racist and won't mix with the Africans and Native Americans as you proposed.

[Ascended]

It would be a wasteland of inner conflicts with no contribution to science,technology or literature like the rest of the islamic world.

There is no islamic nation with a space agency that goes further than launching satellites with foreign technology.

On the other hand without the US involvment in WW1, Germany would have won it most likely and we would speak German right now.

You NEVER converted to Islam, be honest Teutoni

[Altaylı]

It would be a wasteland of inner conflicts with no contribution to science,technology or literature like the rest of the islamic world.

There is no islamic nation with a space agency that goes further than launching satellites with foreign technology.

On the other hand without the US involvment in WW1, Germany would have won it most likely and we would speak German right now.

Medieval Muslims did a lot of contribution to science

[Dard]

It depends on which Islamic caliphate or nation became the equivalent of the UK or the U.S. if it was the Turks, the new world would be Turkish, if the Persians, then it would Persian, if it was the Arabians, then Arab.etc it all depends on which Islamic nation would have become the dominant force in the New World.

[Ascended]

You people are so biased and un scholarly it breaks my heart.

Islamic America will be like Indonesia...400-500 million Muslim Amerindians with maybe some "Ashraaf" claim to descend from the prophet Muhammad SAAW

no transatlantic slave trade
no genoicde of Natives

the animists mayans, aztecs etc will be annihilated though, yes...but there will also be Christian missionaries from Europe in the major urban centers

[Teutone]

You NEVER converted to Islam, be honest Teutoni

1year later I prefer having a islamic world califate over trans kids, pornstar mothers, soy boys, veganism etc

[Maguzanci]

You people are so biased and un scholarly it breaks my heart.

Islamic America will be like Indonesia...400-500 million Muslim Amerindians with maybe some "Ashraaf" claim to descend from the prophet Muhammad SAAW

no transatlantic slave trade
no genoicde of Natives

the animists mayans, aztecs etc will be annihilated though, yes...but there will also be Christian missionaries from Europe in the major urban centers

Why would they be like Indonesia though? Is it because they are both of Asiatic origins? Wouldn't Northern America be more like Muslim Central Asia like Kazakh or Kyrgyz khaganate?

Really? Why wouldn't the Animist Mayans, Aztecs survive?

Would there be a lot of MENA-Amerindian mestizos?

[JamesBond007]

You people are so biased and un scholarly it breaks my heart.

Islamic America will be like Indonesia...400-500 million Muslim Amerindians with maybe some "Ashraaf" claim to descend from the prophet Muhammad SAAW

no transatlantic slave trade
no genoicde of Natives

the animists mayans, aztecs etc will be annihilated though, yes...but there will also be Christian missionaries from Europe in the major urban centers

and ... then China conquered them or became their economic elite.

[Dard]

and ... then China conquered them or became their economic elite.

... Yay!

[Noble Cuman]

I can not even imagine Muslim Trump. Haha