Neolithic Orkney Islanders

[Peterski]

Map of ancient human DNA samples: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#9/59.0045/-2.5790

https://i.imgur.com/vAcHkEv.png

I2630, Neolithic Orkney Islands, 2581–2464 calBCE (3999±32 BP), Y-DNA I2a1b1, mtDNA K1a4:

GEDmatch Genesis kit number - RX9884525

Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 49.2
2 Atlantic 30.24
3 North_Sea 10.12
4 East_Med 7.99
5 Red_Sea 2.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 12.19
2 Spanish_Andalucia 25.05
3 Spanish_Cantabria 25.29
4 Spanish_Aragon 25.3
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 25.86
6 Southwest_French 25.98
7 Spanish_Valencia 26.52
8 French_Basque 26.89
9 Spanish_Extremadura 27.27
10 Spanish_Murcia 27.75
11 Portuguese 27.88
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 28.17
13 Spanish_Galicia 28.57
14 North_Italian 28.59
15 Spanish_Cataluna 28.64
16 Tuscan 32.01
17 French 35.71
18 West_Sicilian 35.76
19 Greek 37.76
20 Italian_Abruzzo 37.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.6% Sardinian + 24.4% French_Basque @ 9.03
2 79.9% Sardinian + 20.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 10.75
3 79.9% Sardinian + 20.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 10.75
4 80.5% Sardinian + 19.5% Southwest_French @ 10.76
5 81.9% Sardinian + 18.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 11.04
6 90.9% Sardinian + 9.1% Orcadian @ 11.31
7 90% Sardinian + 10% Southwest_English @ 11.31
8 84% Sardinian + 16% Spanish_Valencia @ 11.31
9 91% Sardinian + 9% West_Scottish @ 11.34
10 91% Sardinian + 9% Irish @ 11.35
11 90.7% Sardinian + 9.3% Southeast_English @ 11.37
12 83.8% Sardinian + 16.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.41
13 85.8% Sardinian + 14.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.42
14 86.1% Sardinian + 13.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.44
15 86.3% Sardinian + 13.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 11.52
16 86.2% Sardinian + 13.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.53
17 92.2% Sardinian + 7.8% North_Dutch @ 11.55
18 92.2% Sardinian + 7.8% Danish @ 11.56
19 92.9% Sardinian + 7.1% West_Norwegian @ 11.6
20 87.2% Sardinian + 12.8% Portuguese @ 11.61

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.320324
2 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.456655
3 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 12.470801
4 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 12.494973
5 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.899986
6 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 13.353451
7 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 13.429128
8 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.640381
9 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.720404
10 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.780892
11 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 13.798806
12 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 13.881833
13 Portuguese + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 13.969643
14 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 14.067852
15 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.198653
16 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 14.325199
17 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 14.334916
18 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 14.443195
19 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.540971
20 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.559274

Eurogenes K36:

126953 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 6.55 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 1.21 Pct
Iberian 37.09 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 25.51 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.88 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 28.76 Pct

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/BSwdTAv.png

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Edit:

Another one:

I2932, Neolithic Orkney Islands, 2571–2348 calBCE (3962±29 BP), Y-DNA I2a1b, mtDNA H5:

GEDmatch Genesis kit number - FL6741941

Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 46.96
2 Atlantic 34.92
3 North_Sea 10.84
4 Red_Sea 3.25
5 Baltic 2.36
6 East_Med 1.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 18.4
2 French_Basque 22.71
3 Spanish_Cantabria 23.32
4 Spanish_Aragon 23.39
5 Southwest_French 23.55
6 Spanish_Andalucia 24.11
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 24.3
8 Spanish_Valencia 25.25
9 Spanish_Extremadura 26.5
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 26.82
11 Spanish_Murcia 26.95
12 Portuguese 27.2
13 Spanish_Cataluna 27.44
14 Spanish_Galicia 27.82
15 North_Italian 29.18
16 Tuscan 33.52
17 French 34.25
18 West_Sicilian 38.02
19 South_Dutch 38.43
20 Greek 39.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% Sardinian + 42.1% French_Basque @ 11.8
2 62.5% Sardinian + 37.5% Southwest_French @ 14.74
3 62.5% Sardinian + 37.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.93
4 62.7% Sardinian + 37.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.97
5 65.5% Sardinian + 34.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 15.53
6 68.3% Sardinian + 31.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 16.02
7 80.7% Sardinian + 19.3% Southwest_English @ 16.18
8 67.1% Sardinian + 32.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.19
9 82.3% Sardinian + 17.7% Irish @ 16.21
10 82.6% Sardinian + 17.4% West_Scottish @ 16.23
11 71.1% Sardinian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.23
12 82.9% Sardinian + 17.1% Orcadian @ 16.26
13 81.9% Sardinian + 18.1% Southeast_English @ 16.3
14 72.3% Sardinian + 27.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.34
15 72.1% Sardinian + 27.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.56
16 72.7% Sardinian + 27.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 16.57
17 84.1% Sardinian + 15.9% North_Dutch @ 16.61
18 84.3% Sardinian + 15.7% Danish @ 16.64
19 81.8% Sardinian + 18.2% South_Dutch @ 16.71
20 73.7% Sardinian + 26.3% Portuguese @ 16.74

Eurogenes K36:

108803 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 8.92 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 6.39 Pct
Iberian 37.99 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.85 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 23.85 Pct

Simiilarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/1T1TNG5.png

Compare them to Bronze Age Orkney Islanders:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279176-Bronze-Age-Orkney-Islanders

[Peterski]

^^^ Such "Spanish people" built these monuments on Orkney Islands:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9697-Heart-of-Neolithic-Orkney

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?59281-Neolithic-discovery-Why-Orkney-Is-The-Centre-Of-Ancient-Britain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Neolithic_Orkney

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Orkney_Skara_Brae.jpg/330px-Orkney_Skara_Brae.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Skara_Brae_-_panoramio.jpg/390px-Skara_Brae_-_panoramio.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/MaesHowe.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Ring_of_Brodgar%2C_Orkney.jpg/1280px-Ring_of_Brodgar%2C_Orkney.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Standing_Stones_of_Stenness_062015.jpg/1280px-Standing_Stones_of_Stenness_062015.jpg

^^^
In another thread, one Swedish member commented: :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9697-Heart-of-Neolithic-Orkney&p=118840#post118840


So much for "dumb primitive stone age man".

Some reconstructions of Neolithic Orcadian faces here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?68525-The-face-of-Neolithic-Orkney

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/isbister/people.htm

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/isbister/isbisterface2.jpg

[JQP4545]

Do you think people from the British Isles still have some ancestry from these people? It could be why some people from the British Isles have Iberian features.

[Bellbeaking]

Incredible


Do you think people from the British Isles still have some ancestry from these people? It could be why some people from the British Isles have Iberian features.

Yes we have some, but not that much as you can see from the map Peterski posted in the OP.

https://i.imgur.com/cWDoPUJ.png

As you can see Iberians also recieved a pulse of Northern ancestry, so there is some room for similarity between these populations phenotypically. Both from the Rhine beakers and the Neolithics.

But it isn't a 'special' connection Germans are closer to any part of Iberia than Brits.

https://i.imgur.com/0nI8PUd.pngp

[Peterski]

Do you think people from the British Isles still have some ancestry from these people? It could be why some people from the British Isles have Iberian features.

Yes they still have some but of course not much. Those people were mostly replaced by Bell Beakers.

I will also upload to GEDmatch I2981 - Early Bronze Age Orkney Islands - we will see the difference:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#11/59.2704/-2.3757


Germans are closer to any part of Iberia than Brits.

German:Average probably includes South Germans and South-West Germans, who have a lot of Neolithic Farmer ancestry.

But I'm sure that North Germans are not closer to Iberians than some regions of Britain and Ireland.

[Leto]

Population
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 62.65 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 37.35 Pct


MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 61.77
2 Caucasian 16.22
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.86
4 Near_East 5.59
5 North_African 5.04
6 South_East_Asian 0.31
7 Australoid 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian ( ) 8.16
2 French_South ( ) 12.85
3 Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) 14.46
4 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) 14.69
5 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) 15.03
6 Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) 16.07
7 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) 17.4
8 Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) 18.12
9 Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) 19.66
10 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) 19.8
11 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) 20.28
12 Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) 21.03
13 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 21.6
14 Spaniard ( ) 21.77
15 Basque_Spanish ( ) 25.49
16 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 26.02
17 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 26.47
18 Portugese ( ) 26.91
19 Basque_French ( ) 27.69
20 French ( ) 29.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Sardinian ( ) + 37.4% French_South ( ) @ 3.49
2 65.6% Sardinian ( ) + 34.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.59
3 66.1% Sardinian ( ) + 33.9% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.63
4 67.1% Sardinian ( ) + 32.9% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 4.02
5 92.3% Sardinian ( ) + 7.7% Ayta_AE ( ) @ 4.44
6 92.3% Sardinian ( ) + 7.7% Mamanawa ( ) @ 4.45
7 91.3% Sardinian ( ) + 8.7% Saami ( ) @ 4.46
8 92.3% Sardinian ( ) + 7.7% Hakas ( ) @ 4.58
9 92.6% Sardinian ( ) + 7.4% Ati ( ) @ 4.6
10 92.4% Sardinian ( ) + 7.6% Spiti ( ) @ 4.63
11 69.6% Sardinian ( ) + 30.4% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 4.64
12 92.8% Sardinian ( ) + 7.2% Manggarai ( ) @ 4.65
13 74.7% Sardinian ( ) + 25.3% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 4.66
14 92.8% Sardinian ( ) + 7.2% Lamaholt ( ) @ 4.68
15 75.5% Sardinian ( ) + 24.5% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 4.71
16 92.9% Sardinian ( ) + 7.1% Lembata ( ) @ 4.71
17 92.6% Sardinian ( ) + 7.4% Agta_AG ( ) @ 4.73
18 92.9% Sardinian ( ) + 7.1% Kambera ( ) @ 4.76
19 92.9% Sardinian ( ) + 7.1% Jehai ( ) @ 4.78
20 79.7% Sardinian ( ) + 20.3% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 4.78

[Leto]

Looks similar to the GAC sample from Southern Poland.

Population
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 70.71 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 29.29 Pct


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 55.42
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 20.77
3 Caucasian 14.98
4 Near_East 4.53
5 North_African 4.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French_South ( ) 7.81
2 Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) 7.99
3 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) 8.16
4 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) 8.67
5 Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) 10
6 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) 11.43
7 Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) 13.61
8 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) 13.91
9 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) 13.99
10 Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) 14.61
11 Sardinian ( ) 15.04
12 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 15.39
13 Spaniard ( ) 16.06
14 Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) 17.46
15 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 20.51
16 Portugese ( ) 21.05
17 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 21.38
18 French ( ) 23.56
19 Basque_Spanish ( ) 26.9
20 Welsh ( ) 27.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.2% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) + 32.8% Sardinian ( ) @ 4.08
2 67.8% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) + 32.2% Sardinian ( ) @ 4.09
3 66.2% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) + 33.8% Sardinian ( ) @ 4.68
4 68.2% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 31.8% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 5.33
5 71.2% French_South ( ) + 28.8% Sardinian ( ) @ 5.35
6 62.9% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) + 37.1% Sardinian ( ) @ 5.73
7 67.6% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 32.4% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 5.81
8 66.4% Basque_French ( ) + 33.6% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 5.83
9 82.3% Sardinian ( ) + 17.7% Saami ( ) @ 5.85
10 58.6% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 41.4% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 5.86
11 50.9% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 49.1% Sardinian ( ) @ 5.94
12 66.1% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 33.9% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) @ 5.95
13 56.1% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 43.9% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 5.97
14 52.2% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 47.8% Sardinian ( ) @ 5.99
15 67.2% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 32.8% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 6
16 68.7% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 31.3% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 6.02
17 64.7% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 35.3% Maltese ( ) @ 6.03
18 67.1% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 32.9% Sicilian_East ( ) @ 6.03
19 53.1% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 46.9% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 6.09
20 69.7% Basque_Spanish ( ) + 30.3% Italian_South ( ) @ 6.13

[Dick]

How did they get all the way up there?

[Lucas]

Simply in neolithic times nearly all Europeans from Orkney to west Ukraine and from Southern Sweden to Sardinia were Sardinians look-alikes:) It was pretty boring continent...

[Smaug]

Blimey! Super southern-shifted by modern standards. So basically it proves that all of Europe was more similar in the past to modern Southern Europeans, but the Northern part of the continent was impacted more by invasions from the east.

[Dick]

Simply in neolithic times nearly all Europeans from Orkney to west Ukraine and from Southern Sweden to Sardinia were Sardinians look-alikes:) It was pretty boring continent...

Even the Baltics? What's up with them having highest WHG

[Dick]

Blimey! Super southern-shifted by modern standards. So basically it proves that all of Europe was more similar in the past to modern Southern Europeans, but the Northern part of the continent was impacted more by invasions from the east.

No. Look at the k36 map. These neolithic samples all were closest to modern day Iberians and Basques only.

[Voskos]

Always knew iberians were the legitimate natives of the small fiscal paradise known as the UK.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Blimey! Super southern-shifted by modern standards. So basically it proves that all of Europe was more similar in the past to modern Southern Europeans, but the Northern part of the continent was impacted more by invasions from the east.

Europe was Finnish/Lithuanian like (minus Siberian) before neolithic immigration from Anatolia. These farmers weren't natives.

[Voskos]

2500 BC ---> werent natives. Nice .

[Lucas]

Even the Baltics? What's up with them having highest WHG

I wrote "nearly". Yes Finland, north Scandinavia, Baltic region, Belarus, Russia and part of Ukraine weren't Sardinian like. But what was west and south of it yes.

[Lucas]

Europe was Finnish/Lithuanian like (minus Siberian) before neolithic immigration from Anatolia. These farmers weren't natives.

For invading Beakers on British Isles there were natives, nearly no WHG left in some part of Europe.

[JQP4545]

Simply in neolithic times nearly all Europeans from Orkney to west Ukraine and from Southern Sweden to Sardinia were Sardinians look-alikes:) It was pretty boring continent...

Only the people who lived in farming communities. Hunter gatherers continued their lifestyle for thousands of years before eventually assimilating.

[Leto]

I wrote "nearly". Yes Finland, north Scandinavia, Baltic region, Belarus, Russia and part of Ukraine weren't Sardinian like. But what was west and south of it yes.
NE Europe was ANE-admixed long before the IE invasion.

[Smaug]

No. Look at the k36 map. These neolithic samples all were closest to modern day Iberians and Basques only.

These samples match closer to Sardinians.


Europe was Finnish/Lithuanian like (minus Siberian) before neolithic immigration from Anatolia. These farmers weren't natives.

What do you mean by Finnish/Lithuanian? The former is Uralic and the latter Indo-European. Both groups were absento from Europe at the time.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

What do you mean by Finnish/Lithuanian? The former is Uralic and the latter Indo-European. Both groups were absento from Europe at the time.

Native European huneter gatherers were genetically closest to modern northeastern Europeans.

[Smaug]

Native European huneter gatherers were genetically closest to modern northeastern Europeans.

Prior to the Siberian input, I reckon.

[Leto]

Southern Finland was more Sami-like before the ancestors of the modern Finns pushed them northwards and assimilated some of them. They were more like Estonians and Latvians, I guess (less Siberian).
Peterski, re-upload the ancient Finnish and proto-Sami samples please, I've asked you before.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Prior to the Siberian input, I reckon.

Yes. But modern Lithuanians have no Siberian input at all. Finns have some.

[Leto]

Native European huneter gatherers were genetically closest to modern northeastern Europeans.
No, the Eastern HGs were different. Western and Central Europe were like Ötzi.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No, the Eastern HGs were different. Western and Central Europe were like Ötzi.

Otzi was farmer bro, not a HG.

[Leto]

Otzi was farmer bro, not a HG.
Then Loschbour, I don't remember all those lables.

[Dick]

Otzi was farmer bro, not a HG.

Technically he was a "hunter" too that hunted for wild goats in the Alps, even early farmers were hunters. These labels are misleading. He also had some "WHG" admixture if that's what you meant.

[Leto]

I posted this in another thread, This is what Northeastern Europe was like before the Neolithic.

Lithuania, ~4400-4200 BC. A pure East European HG.

Kit Number: T693843

Population
North_Atlantic 41.82 Pct
Baltic 58.18 Pct
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

83365 SNPs used in this evaluation


Population
North_Sea 34.98 Pct
Atlantic 17.23 Pct
Baltic 34.29 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.50 Pct
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

84285 SNPs used in this evaluation


Population
ANE 11.16 Pct
ASE -
WHG-UHG 87.96 Pct
East_Eurasian 0.72 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.17 Pct
ENF -

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Then Loschbour, I don't remember all those lables.

Loschbour is available on gedmatch (Kit number F999918)

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 51.09
2 North_Atlantic 47.54
3 Oceanian 1.37

Single Population Sharing:

1 Southwest_Finnish 13.45
2 Finnish 14.52
3 Estonian 14.82
4 North_Swedish 15.63
5 La_Brana-1 15.99
6 East_Finnish 17.75
7 Lithuanian 18.11
8 Belorussian 18.24
9 Polish 19.25
10 Estonian_Polish 19.73
11 Russian_Smolensk 19.81
12 Swedish 20.22
13 South_Polish 21.04
14 Southwest_Russian 22.13
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 22.41
16 Ukrainian 22.68
17 Norwegian 22.71
18 Kargopol_Russian 22.78
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 23.56
20 North_German 24.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 68.7% Southwest_Finnish + 31.3% La_Brana-1 @ 12.7
2 54.7% Estonian + 45.3% North_Swedish @ 12.87
3 72.7% Estonian + 27.3% Norwegian @ 13.06
4 68.9% Estonian + 31.1% Swedish @ 13.08
5 59.6% North_Swedish + 40.4% Lithuanian @ 13.18
6 58.3% Finnish + 41.7% North_Swedish @ 13.25
7 57.7% Estonian + 42.3% La_Brana-1 @ 13.32
8 79.2% Southwest_Finnish + 20.8% Estonian @ 13.34
9 73% Finnish + 27% Swedish @ 13.39
10 76.6% Finnish + 23.4% Norwegian @ 13.39
11 91.7% Southwest_Finnish + 8.3% Lithuanian @ 13.4
12 89.7% Southwest_Finnish + 10.3% Finnish @ 13.43
13 93.3% Southwest_Finnish + 6.7% North_Swedish @ 13.43
14 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Abhkasian @ 13.45
15 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Adygei @ 13.45
16 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 13.45
17 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 13.45
18 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 13.45
19 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 13.45
20 100% Southwest_Finnish + 0% Algerian @ 13.45

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Technically he was a "hunter" too that hunted for wild goats in the Alps, even early farmers were hunters. These labels are misleading. He also had some "WHG" admixture if that's what you meant.

Yeah, he was genetically mostly Sardinian like though.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

La Brana, WHG from Spain (kit number F999915). Looks like hunter gatherers from entire Europe were genetically closest to northeastern Europeans before neolithic invasion.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 48.33
2 North_Atlantic 47.37
3 West_Med 3.08
4 Oceanian 1
5 Sub-Saharan 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

1 Southwest_Finnish 11.1
2 North_Swedish 12.49
3 Finnish 13.55
4 Estonian 13.88
5 La_Brana-1 15.54
6 Swedish 16.99
7 East_Finnish 17.17
8 Belorussian 17.19
9 Polish 17.39
10 Lithuanian 17.67
11 Estonian_Polish 18.55
12 Russian_Smolensk 18.57
13 South_Polish 18.87
14 Norwegian 19.55
15 Ukrainian 20.71
16 Southwest_Russian 20.95
17 North_German 21.01
18 East_German 21.21
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.29
20 Danish 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 57% North_Swedish + 43% Estonian @ 10.36
2 64.5% Estonian + 35.5% Norwegian @ 10.5
3 59.6% Estonian + 40.4% Swedish @ 10.54
4 68% North_Swedish + 32% Lithuanian @ 10.56
5 79.6% Southwest_Finnish + 20.4% La_Brana-1 @ 10.71
6 72.4% Southwest_Finnish + 27.6% North_Swedish @ 10.84
7 56.8% North_Swedish + 43.2% Finnish @ 10.88
8 86.6% Southwest_Finnish + 13.4% Swedish @ 10.91
9 89.2% Southwest_Finnish + 10.8% Norwegian @ 10.92
10 94.7% Southwest_Finnish + 5.3% North_Dutch @ 11.05
11 62.2% Finnish + 37.8% Swedish @ 11.05
12 72.5% Estonian + 27.5% West_Scottish @ 11.05
13 94.9% Southwest_Finnish + 5.1% Danish @ 11.05
14 95.8% Southwest_Finnish + 4.2% West_Scottish @ 11.05
15 96.1% Southwest_Finnish + 3.9% Irish @ 11.06
16 67.3% Finnish + 32.7% Norwegian @ 11.06
17 69% Estonian + 31% North_Dutch @ 11.07
18 97.8% Southwest_Finnish + 2.2% Orcadian @ 11.09
19 68.6% Estonian + 31.4% Danish @ 11.09
20 99.3% Southwest_Finnish + 0.7% Southwest_English @ 11.09

[Leto]

Yet according to the media they were blacks :rolleyes:
Even if they had darker skin (no one is really sure yet whether they were as dark as an average black African), they were nothing like Sub-Saharans neither in terms of features, nor genetically. It's like saying Tamils and Nigerians are the same people.

[Smaug]

Yes. But modern Lithuanians have no Siberian input at all. Finns have some.

Where did all their N Y-DNA come from? Old samples show that Lithuanians lacked the N haplogroup a few thousand years ago.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Where did all their N Y-DNA come from? Old samples show that Lithuanians lacked the N haplogroup a few thousand years ago.

That's Siberian, however they have no Siberian in their autosomal at all, and that's incredibly intriguing. Finns are like 10% mongoloid in east, Lithuanians close to zero.

[Smaug]

That's Siberian, however they have no Siberian in their autosomal all all, and that's incredibly intriguing.

Indeed it is. Any explanation for this? Could half of modern-day Lithuanian males descend from a single N carrier?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Indeed it is. Any explanation for this? Could half of modern-day Lithuanian males descend from a single N carrier?

You should ask Token, he's well versed in genetics. I really don't know but would like to know how is that possible.

[Autrigón]

Always knew iberians were the legitimate natives of the small fiscal paradise known as the UK.Yes we are a mysterious people aren't we? You can find Iberian genetic all over Europe. I think Julio Iglesias did a good job having children everywhere.

[Leto]

Yes we are a mysterious people aren't we? You can find Iberian genetic all over Europe. I think Julio Iglesias did a good job having children everywhere.
Enrique Iglesias' and Anna Kournikova's twins are the best mix to me :cool:
https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/IPk9XgC0H2XV85ZFkstsgzFb4U4/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2018/08/30/748/n/1922398/ae6859a25b88222e11d7b8.78313544_/i/Enrique-Iglesias-Anna-Kournikova-Family-Pictures.jpg

[Coolguy1]

Modern English derive around 30% of their ancestry from these people

[Morena]

This is awesome. I'm so proud to be somewhat related to those who built such beautiful and awe inspiring monuments which have stood the test of time. I am also happy that those who live there now appreciate them and have done their best to preserve them. ^_^

[Bellbeaking]

Modern English derive around 30% of their ancestry from these people

we have quite a bit of neolithic dna from the continent, but I don't think we have much from the British Neolithics as they where 90% overturned, and then several waves of migration; halstatt celts, belgae celts, anglo saxons etc would lesses the british neolithic incluence even more

[Morena]

we have quite a bit of neolithic dna from the continent, but I don't think we have much from the British Neolithics as they where 90% overturned, and then several waves of migration; halstatt celts, belgae celts, anglo saxons etc would lesses the british neolithic incluence even more

Do you think the Pics were the last remaining remnant of these people?

[Coolguy1]

we have quite a bit of neolithic dna from the continent, but I don't think we have much from the British Neolithics as they where 90% overturned, and then several waves of migration; halstatt celts, belgae celts, anglo saxons etc would lesses the british neolithic incluence even more

Yes, that's true. 30% is the figure for European farmer ancestry in general.

[Peterski]

Added another Neolithic Orcadian (very similar to the 1st one, slightly "more French") and soon I will Early Bronze Age Orcadian.


This is awesome. I'm so proud to be somewhat related to those who built such beautiful and awe inspiring monuments which have stood the test of time. I am also happy that those who live there now appreciate them and have done their best to preserve them. ^_^

In another thread, one Swedish member commented: :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9697-Heart-of-Neolithic-Orkney&p=118840#post118840


So much for "dumb primitive stone age man".

https://i.imgur.com/FqKUdO9.jpg


Simply in neolithic times nearly all Europeans from Orkney to west Ukraine and from Southern Sweden to Sardinia were Sardinians look-alikes:) It was pretty boring continent...

These ones were more like Basques because they had more of WHG admixture than farmers in Southern Europe.

Too bad Armada lost in 1588, they were just trying to reclaim their ancestral lands from such Steppe Invaders: :laugh:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?275908-Classify-Steppe-Beaker

See also (maybe the most badass Basque of all time):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?203615-Badass-historical-figures


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-A0YDVTo68

[Bosniensis]

I2a1b master-race what to say. xD

[Imperator Biff]

Likely the origin of the Grooved Ware ceramic horizon before getting absolutely B E A K E R E D by R1b-L21 men.

[Grace O'Malley]

^^^ Such "Spanish people" built these monuments on Orkney Islands:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9697-Heart-of-Neolithic-Orkney

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?59281-Neolithic-discovery-Why-Orkney-Is-The-Centre-Of-Ancient-Britain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Neolithic_Orkney

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Orkney_Skara_Brae.jpg/330px-Orkney_Skara_Brae.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Skara_Brae_-_panoramio.jpg/390px-Skara_Brae_-_panoramio.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/MaesHowe.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Ring_of_Brodgar%2C_Orkney.jpg/1280px-Ring_of_Brodgar%2C_Orkney.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Standing_Stones_of_Stenness_062015.jpg/1280px-Standing_Stones_of_Stenness_062015.jpg

^^^
In another thread, one Swedish member commented: :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9697-Heart-of-Neolithic-Orkney&p=118840#post118840



Some reconstructions of Neolithic Orcadian faces here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?68525-The-face-of-Neolithic-Orkney

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/isbister/people.htm

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/isbister/isbisterface2.jpg

They were Neolithic Farmers like Ballynahatty. These farming populations were very sparse when the Bell Beakers arrived.

[Grace O'Malley]

Modern English derive around 30% of their ancestry from these people

I don't think they do because not many survived. A lot of farmer ancestry that came with the Beakers was GAC if I'm not mistaken. Awaiting new scientific papers coming out in the next year. :thumb001:

[Peterski]

(...)

Grace, check this Bronze Age Scottish guy from Outer Hebrides, he was "Neolithic survivor" in terms of Y-DNA (he had Megalithic British haplogroup I2a2a1):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279197-Bronze-Age-Outer-Hebrides-with-Megalithic-Y-DNA-haplogroup-I2a2a1

[Smaug]

This is awesome. I'm so proud to be somewhat related to those who built such beautiful and awe inspiring monuments which have stood the test of time. I am also happy that those who live there now appreciate them and have done their best to preserve them. ^_^

Another Civ V player!

[Lucas]

Only the people who lived in farming communities. Hunter gatherers continued their lifestyle for thousands of years before eventually assimilating.

Not in western and southern Europe. What is HG now there was bring by PIE from the eastern Europe.
Dark skinned and blue eyed La Branians left no descendants in SW Euro genepool.

[Bellbeaking]

https://i.imgur.com/Pf6YEbK.png


Do you think the Pics were the last remaining remnant of these people?

I think linguists have confirned pictish is close to celtic languages, they may be pre-celtic but indo european though. Scottish highlanders also don't really have any higher neolithic DNA, or darker hair/eyes than other Brits, so its unlikely. Furhtermore climate change hit the neolithics hard which is part of the reason they died off, would have been even more formidable in scotland

[JQP4545]

Not in western and southern Europe. What is HG now there was bring by PIE from the eastern Europe.
Dark skinned and blue eyed La Branians left no descendants in SW Euro genepool.

Then why do we still find I2a in Western Europe? PIE mixed with hunters and farmers in Central Europe.

[Morena]

Added another Neolithic Orcadian (very similar to the 1st one, slightly "more French") and soon I will Early Bronze Age Orcadian.



In another thread, one Swedish member commented: :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9697-Heart-of-Neolithic-Orkney&p=118840#post118840



https://i.imgur.com/FqKUdO9.jpg



These ones were more like Basques because they had more of WHG admixture than farmers in Southern Europe.

Too bad Armada lost in 1588, they were just trying to reclaim their ancestral lands from such Steppe Invaders: :laugh:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?275908-Classify-Steppe-Beaker

See also (maybe the most badass Basque of all time):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?203615-Badass-historical-figures



Please don't give the Iberian/British connection people any ideas. XD

[Ayetooey]

Largest segment = 3.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 3.7 cM (0.104 Pct)

[Dick]

This sample is good proof that Europeans before the Indo invasions built boats/ships. IE never needed boats on the steppe, only horses.

[Mens-Sarda]

I think linguists have confirned pictish is close to celtic languages, they may be pre-celtic but indo european though. Scottish highlanders also don't really have any higher neolithic DNA, or darker hair/eyes than other Brits, so its unlikely. Furhtermore climate change hit the neolithics hard which is part of the reason they died off, would have been even more formidable in scotland

Pictish were bilingual, the inscriptions found in Scotland are in two different languages, one not IE and the other Celtic. The first was probably their ancestral language, and the second was a language that they acquired to communicate with their Celtic neighbours, during time the ancestral language was replaced by Celtic. But in origin they were definetly not IE.

[J. Ketch]

Pictish were bilingual, the inscriptions found in Scotland are in two different languages, one not IE and the other Celtic. The first was probably their ancestral language, and the second was a language that they acquired to communicate with their Celtic neighbours, during time the ancestral language was replaced by Celtic. But in origin they were definetly not IE.
It's impossible that the Picts weren't IE people, like other Brits. It would also be extremely unlikely that they spoke a pre-IE language. A pre-Celtic language is possible.

[Mens-Sarda]

It would also be extremely unlikely that they spoke a pre-IE language

Why?

If Basque language survived until today surrounded by Romance speaking peoples, why it's not possible that another pre-IE language survived until IXth century in a remote corner of Europe like Scotland? Which also never was under Roman rule and never had a Latinization process.

Nevertheless the Pictish iscriptions present in Scotland are in two different languages. One Celtic and the other not IE.

[J. Ketch]

Why?

If Basque language survived until today surrounded by Romance speaking peoples, why it's not possible that another pre-IE language survived until IXth century in a remote corner of Europe like Scotland? Which also never was under Roman rule and never had a Latinization process.

Nevertheless the Pictish iscriptions present in Scotland are in two different languages. One Celtic and the other not IE.
The genetic turnover in Britain (90+%) in makes it substantially more unlikely that they retained the old language than in Iberia. Also Britain had been Indo-European for over 2 Millennia when the Romans encountered the Picts.

Aberdeen in NE Scotland (Pictish territory) shares the common prefix Aber with many Welsh Brythonic places, Aberystwyth, Abergavenny etc. They also have similar words for rivers and waters with Brythonic people (dee, der). In all likelyhood they were just Brythonic like the rest of the island.

[Token]

This sample is good proof that Europeans before the Indo invasions built boats/ships. IE never needed boats on the steppe, only horses.

Not in the steppes, but Bell Beakers and some Corded Ware groups from around the North Sea shores were seafarers and had a very boat-centric culture. You could say that the horse was replaced by ships among the Indo-Europeans of the Northern Plains.

[J. Ketch]

The genetic turnover in Britain (90+%) in makes it substantially more unlikely that they retained the old language than in Iberia. Also Britain had been Indo-European for over 2 Millennia when the Romans encountered the Picts.

Aberdeen in NE Scotland (Pictish territory) shares the common prefix Aber with many Welsh Brythonic places, Aberystwyth, Abergavenny etc. They also have similar words for rivers and waters with Brythonic people (dee, der). In all likelyhood they were just Brythonic like the rest of the island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHirGbsa2U&list=PLWHb-MbcZ9kouDPymw9zeG6ek7yrByvyL&index=5&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34sYu15OuCU&index=5&list=PLWHb-MbcZ9kouDPymw9zeG6ek7yrByvyL

[Slavic Italian]

This dude is family.


Largest segment = 2.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 16.4 cM (0.458 Pct)

9 shared segments found for this comparison.

464279 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.562 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Slavic Italian]

La Brana, WHG from Spain (kit number F999915). Looks like hunter gatherers from entire Europe were genetically closest to northeastern Europeans before neolithic invasion.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 48.33
2 North_Atlantic 47.37
3 West_Med 3.08
4 Oceanian 1
5 Sub-Saharan 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

1 Southwest_Finnish 11.1
2 North_Swedish 12.49
3 Finnish 13.55
4 Estonian 13.88
5 La_Brana-1 15.54
6 Swedish 16.99
7 East_Finnish 17.17
8 Belorussian 17.19
9 Polish 17.39
10 Lithuanian 17.67
11 Estonian_Polish 18.55
12 Russian_Smolensk 18.57
13 South_Polish 18.87
14 Norwegian 19.55
15 Ukrainian 20.71
16 Southwest_Russian 20.95
17 North_German 21.01
18 East_German 21.21
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.29
20 Danish 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 57% North_Swedish + 43% Estonian @ 10.36
2 64.5% Estonian + 35.5% Norwegian @ 10.5
3 59.6% Estonian + 40.4% Swedish @ 10.54
4 68% North_Swedish + 32% Lithuanian @ 10.56
5 79.6% Southwest_Finnish + 20.4% La_Brana-1 @ 10.71
6 72.4% Southwest_Finnish + 27.6% North_Swedish @ 10.84
7 56.8% North_Swedish + 43.2% Finnish @ 10.88
8 86.6% Southwest_Finnish + 13.4% Swedish @ 10.91
9 89.2% Southwest_Finnish + 10.8% Norwegian @ 10.92
10 94.7% Southwest_Finnish + 5.3% North_Dutch @ 11.05
11 62.2% Finnish + 37.8% Swedish @ 11.05
12 72.5% Estonian + 27.5% West_Scottish @ 11.05
13 94.9% Southwest_Finnish + 5.1% Danish @ 11.05
14 95.8% Southwest_Finnish + 4.2% West_Scottish @ 11.05
15 96.1% Southwest_Finnish + 3.9% Irish @ 11.06
16 67.3% Finnish + 32.7% Norwegian @ 11.06
17 69% Estonian + 31% North_Dutch @ 11.07
18 97.8% Southwest_Finnish + 2.2% Orcadian @ 11.09
19 68.6% Estonian + 31.4% Danish @ 11.09
20 99.3% Southwest_Finnish + 0.7% Southwest_English @ 11.09

Largest segment = 1.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 9.5 cM (0.264 Pct)

7 shared segments found for this comparison.

496962 SNPs used for this comparison.

57.191 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Slavic Italian]

Map of ancient human DNA samples: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#9/59.0045/-2.5790

https://i.imgur.com/vAcHkEv.png

I2630, Neolithic Orkney Islands, 2581–2464 calBCE (3999±32 BP), Y-DNA I2a1b1, mtDNA K1a4:

GEDmatch Genesis kit number - RX9884525

Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 49.2
2 Atlantic 30.24
3 North_Sea 10.12
4 East_Med 7.99
5 Red_Sea 2.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 12.19
2 Spanish_Andalucia 25.05
3 Spanish_Cantabria 25.29
4 Spanish_Aragon 25.3
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 25.86
6 Southwest_French 25.98
7 Spanish_Valencia 26.52
8 French_Basque 26.89
9 Spanish_Extremadura 27.27
10 Spanish_Murcia 27.75
11 Portuguese 27.88
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 28.17
13 Spanish_Galicia 28.57
14 North_Italian 28.59
15 Spanish_Cataluna 28.64
16 Tuscan 32.01
17 French 35.71
18 West_Sicilian 35.76
19 Greek 37.76
20 Italian_Abruzzo 37.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.6% Sardinian + 24.4% French_Basque @ 9.03
2 79.9% Sardinian + 20.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 10.75
3 79.9% Sardinian + 20.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 10.75
4 80.5% Sardinian + 19.5% Southwest_French @ 10.76
5 81.9% Sardinian + 18.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 11.04
6 90.9% Sardinian + 9.1% Orcadian @ 11.31
7 90% Sardinian + 10% Southwest_English @ 11.31
8 84% Sardinian + 16% Spanish_Valencia @ 11.31
9 91% Sardinian + 9% West_Scottish @ 11.34
10 91% Sardinian + 9% Irish @ 11.35
11 90.7% Sardinian + 9.3% Southeast_English @ 11.37
12 83.8% Sardinian + 16.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.41
13 85.8% Sardinian + 14.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.42
14 86.1% Sardinian + 13.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.44
15 86.3% Sardinian + 13.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 11.52
16 86.2% Sardinian + 13.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.53
17 92.2% Sardinian + 7.8% North_Dutch @ 11.55
18 92.2% Sardinian + 7.8% Danish @ 11.56
19 92.9% Sardinian + 7.1% West_Norwegian @ 11.6
20 87.2% Sardinian + 12.8% Portuguese @ 11.61

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.320324
2 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.456655
3 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 12.470801
4 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 12.494973
5 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.899986
6 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 13.353451
7 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 13.429128
8 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.640381
9 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.720404
10 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.780892
11 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 13.798806
12 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 13.881833
13 Portuguese + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 13.969643
14 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 14.067852
15 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.198653
16 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 14.325199
17 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 14.334916
18 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 14.443195
19 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.540971
20 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.559274

Eurogenes K36:

126953 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 6.55 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 1.21 Pct
Iberian 37.09 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 25.51 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.88 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 28.76 Pct

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/BSwdTAv.png

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Edit:

Another one:

I2932, Neolithic Orkney Islands, 2571–2348 calBCE (3962±29 BP), Y-DNA I2a1b, mtDNA H5:

GEDmatch Genesis kit number - FL6741941

Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 46.96
2 Atlantic 34.92
3 North_Sea 10.84
4 Red_Sea 3.25
5 Baltic 2.36
6 East_Med 1.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 18.4
2 French_Basque 22.71
3 Spanish_Cantabria 23.32
4 Spanish_Aragon 23.39
5 Southwest_French 23.55
6 Spanish_Andalucia 24.11
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 24.3
8 Spanish_Valencia 25.25
9 Spanish_Extremadura 26.5
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 26.82
11 Spanish_Murcia 26.95
12 Portuguese 27.2
13 Spanish_Cataluna 27.44
14 Spanish_Galicia 27.82
15 North_Italian 29.18
16 Tuscan 33.52
17 French 34.25
18 West_Sicilian 38.02
19 South_Dutch 38.43
20 Greek 39.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% Sardinian + 42.1% French_Basque @ 11.8
2 62.5% Sardinian + 37.5% Southwest_French @ 14.74
3 62.5% Sardinian + 37.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.93
4 62.7% Sardinian + 37.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.97
5 65.5% Sardinian + 34.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 15.53
6 68.3% Sardinian + 31.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 16.02
7 80.7% Sardinian + 19.3% Southwest_English @ 16.18
8 67.1% Sardinian + 32.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.19
9 82.3% Sardinian + 17.7% Irish @ 16.21
10 82.6% Sardinian + 17.4% West_Scottish @ 16.23
11 71.1% Sardinian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.23
12 82.9% Sardinian + 17.1% Orcadian @ 16.26
13 81.9% Sardinian + 18.1% Southeast_English @ 16.3
14 72.3% Sardinian + 27.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.34
15 72.1% Sardinian + 27.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.56
16 72.7% Sardinian + 27.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 16.57
17 84.1% Sardinian + 15.9% North_Dutch @ 16.61
18 84.3% Sardinian + 15.7% Danish @ 16.64
19 81.8% Sardinian + 18.2% South_Dutch @ 16.71
20 73.7% Sardinian + 26.3% Portuguese @ 16.74

Eurogenes K36:

108803 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 8.92 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 6.39 Pct
Iberian 37.99 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.85 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 23.85 Pct

Simiilarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/1T1TNG5.png

Compare them to Bronze Age Orkney Islanders:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279176-Bronze-Age-Orkney-Islanders

I'm related to the second kit as well.


Largest segment = 3.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 9.8 cM (0.272 Pct)

4 shared segments found for this comparison.

399989 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.307 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Freeroostah]

Wow...
Judging from the Ancient Human DNA map, I2a2a people were quite the travelers lol

[Bellbeaking]

Pictish were bilingual, the inscriptions found in Scotland are in two different languages, one not IE and the other Celtic. The first was probably their ancestral language, and the second was a language that they acquired to communicate with their Celtic neighbours, during time the ancestral language was replaced by Celtic. But in origin they were definetly not IE.

scotland has lower EEF ancestry than Norway, some of the lowest in Europe. no Linguists believe pictish was pre-Indo European any more

[Coastal Elite]

Swarthy people are better at moving huge stones than Indo-Europeans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLgbgHYohg

[Ayetooey]

Swarthy people are better at moving huge stones than Indo-Europeans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLgbgHYohg

Fucking bellbeakers. Makes me mad just viewing the video.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/B1zb6hp94pI/hqdefault.jpg

[Coastal Elite]

Fucking bellbeakers. Makes me mad just viewing the video.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/B1zb6hp94pI/hqdefault.jpg

and the beakers just adopted the stone formations and burial mounds into their own pagan religion after killing off 90% the natives. Nice guys

[Imperator Biff]

Swarthy people are better at moving huge stones than Indo-Europeans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLgbgHYohg

Farmer faggots btfo LOL!

[Coastal Elite]

Farmer faggots btfo LOL!

Funny that the indo-Europeans copied their faggy paganism and other cultural practices. Guess they’re all fags

[Imperator Biff]

Funny that the indo-Europeans copied their faggy paganism and other cultural practices. Guess they’re all fags

Ah yes the ‘superior’ culture got destroyed by the ‘inferior’ culture.
Where have I heard this one before? :rolleyes:

[Coastal Elite]

Ah yes the ‘superior’ culture got destroyed by the ‘inferior’ culture.
Where have I heard this one before? :rolleyes:

Na, they just adopted some religious practices. Give the IE some credit, they could handle new ideas. They weren’t just stubborn queers.

[Graham]

Orkney has a small population, we could import a few sardinians back in and bring back the good old times. :D