Scythians R1b, not R1a

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/scythian-cimmerian-sarmatian-y-dna-mtdna.png

Any comments ? This is from recent paper. Even 2 out of 3 Sarmatians were R1b. R1b true Kings of the steppe ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Push for Vlatko Vuković

[Crimson Winds]

Scythians were R1a, R1b, Q1b, N and even G2a.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Scythians were R1a, R1b, Q1b, N and even G2a.

But most dominant, R1a.

There is even more truth in Kipchak Hakan's Turkic Scythians than R1b rulers of Steppe.

[Blondie]

They belong to r1b-z93

[Crimson Winds]

But most dominant, R1a.

There is even more truth in Kipchak Hakan's Turkic Scythians than R1b rulers of Steppe.

Aren't R1b is ultimately evolved in Middle East.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Aren't R1b is ultimately evolved in Middle East.

Yes and what with that?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They belong to r1b-z93

R1b-Z93 doesn't exist. There is R1a-Z93.

[The Blade]

It seems both were observed.

[Token]

Most of these R1b were wrongly assigned and will be corrected after peer review, this is the correction: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bnVJujBs_bQu_dqSVi_dSXUuz9gNIYFX_XlqRrz92mo/edit#gid=0

The P312 Scythian from Starosillya looks like an assimilated European, probably a Celt. He clusters with Northwestern Europeans.

[Blondie]

R1b-Z93 doesn't exist. There is R1a-Z93.

You are right, i mean r1a-z93

[Peterski]

Wait, Scy009 with R1b-P312 clusters with North-Western Europeans?

These are his scores in Eurogenes K13 (this is not my upload though):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.75
2 North_Atlantic 36.8
3 West_Med 16.57
4 Red_Sea 2.11
5 East_Med 2.05
6 West_Asian 1.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 9.44
2 East_German 9.63
3 Polish 9.71
4 Southwest_Finnish 10.68
5 Ukrainian 10.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.94
7 North_Swedish 12.11
8 Austrian 12.14
9 Croatian 12.67
10 Hungarian 12.93
11 Russian_Smolensk 13.06
12 Estonian_Polish 13.24
13 Belorussian 13.38
14 Estonian 13.71
15 Finnish 14.68
16 Southwest_Russian 14.82
17 Swedish 15.32
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.43
19 Moldavian 16.21
20 Lithuanian 16.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.3% Lithuanian + 29.7% French_Basque @ 2.65
2 64% Lithuanian + 36% Southwest_French @ 4.12
3 74.8% Belorussian + 25.2% French_Basque @ 4.12
4 75.1% Estonian_Polish + 24.9% French_Basque @ 4.36
5 68.3% Estonian + 31.7% Southwest_French @ 4.51
6 81.5% Polish + 18.5% French_Basque @ 4.57
7 74.5% Estonian + 25.5% French_Basque @ 4.6
8 75.5% Russian_Smolensk + 24.5% French_Basque @ 4.68
9 65.2% Lithuanian + 34.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.73
10 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.8
11 69.5% Estonian + 30.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.91
12 71.9% Estonian + 28.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.2
13 71.1% Estonian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.41
14 66.9% Lithuanian + 33.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.47
15 77.7% Polish + 22.3% Southwest_French @ 5.58
16 68.9% Estonian + 31.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.63
17 69.8% Estonian + 30.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.65
18 65.5% Lithuanian + 34.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.7
19 69.5% Belorussian + 30.5% Southwest_French @ 5.7
20 69.3% Estonian + 30.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.74

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Wait, Scy009 with R1b-P312 cluster with North-Western Europeans?

These are his scores in Eurogenes K13 (this is not my upload though):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.75
2 North_Atlantic 36.8
3 West_Med 16.57
4 Red_Sea 2.11
5 East_Med 2.05
6 West_Asian 1.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 9.44
2 East_German 9.63
3 Polish 9.71
4 Southwest_Finnish 10.68
5 Ukrainian 10.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.94
7 North_Swedish 12.11
8 Austrian 12.14
9 Croatian 12.67
10 Hungarian 12.93
11 Russian_Smolensk 13.06
12 Estonian_Polish 13.24
13 Belorussian 13.38
14 Estonian 13.71
15 Finnish 14.68
16 Southwest_Russian 14.82
17 Swedish 15.32
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.43
19 Moldavian 16.21
20 Lithuanian 16.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.3% Lithuanian + 29.7% French_Basque @ 2.65
2 64% Lithuanian + 36% Southwest_French @ 4.12
3 74.8% Belorussian + 25.2% French_Basque @ 4.12
4 75.1% Estonian_Polish + 24.9% French_Basque @ 4.36
5 68.3% Estonian + 31.7% Southwest_French @ 4.51
6 81.5% Polish + 18.5% French_Basque @ 4.57
7 74.5% Estonian + 25.5% French_Basque @ 4.6
8 75.5% Russian_Smolensk + 24.5% French_Basque @ 4.68
9 65.2% Lithuanian + 34.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.73
10 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.8
11 69.5% Estonian + 30.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.91
12 71.9% Estonian + 28.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.2
13 71.1% Estonian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.41
14 66.9% Lithuanian + 33.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.47
15 77.7% Polish + 22.3% Southwest_French @ 5.58
16 68.9% Estonian + 31.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.63
17 69.8% Estonian + 30.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.65
18 65.5% Lithuanian + 34.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.7
19 69.5% Belorussian + 30.5% Southwest_French @ 5.7
20 69.3% Estonian + 30.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.74

I was always curious, what is considered as "Baltic" in those autosomal classifications. I mean, it is not just area near Baltic Sea.

[Peterski]

I was always curious, what are are considered as "Baltic" in those autosomal classifications. I mean, it is not just area near Baltic Sea.

Baltic is a component indicating populations closely related to and descended from Proto-Balto-Slavs.

In K36 equivalent is East-Central Euro.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Baltic is a component indicating populations closely related to and descended from Proto-Balto-Slavs.

In K36 equivalent is East-Central Euro.

So Baltic component - whole Eastern and Central Euro? (excluding Balkan and Hungary, and Ukrainian steppes) ?

[Peterski]

So Baltic component - whole Eastern and Central Euro?

Maybe today, but not before year 500 of Common Era. :p

[Papastratosels26]

Cool

[Lemgrant]

Cool

epic avatar :rotfl
https://i1.prth.gr/images/963x541/files/2018-05-08/papxristopoulos-new-simera.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Most of these R1b were wrongly assigned and will be corrected after peer review, this is the correction: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bnVJujBs_bQu_dqSVi_dSXUuz9gNIYFX_XlqRrz92mo/edit#gid=0

The P312 Scythian from Starosillya looks like an assimilated European, probably a Celt. He clusters with Northwestern Europeans.

Holy fuck, still no R1a :laugh:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

But most dominant, R1a.

There is even more truth in Kipchak Hakan's Turkic Scythians than R1b rulers of Steppe.

No. You're jelaous. Yamnanya also R1b which is most important PIE culture. Deal with the facts boy.


They belong to r1b-z93

None of these western Schyntians belong to R1a but R1b, if you don't like it go complain to researches who did the study.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

To me it looks like R1a is lower rate steppe marker, mostly important in India and China (eastern steppe), while R1b was the real deal. This might upset R1a fanatics lol

[michal3141]

To me it looks like R1a is lower rate steppe marker, mostly important in India and China (eastern steppe), while R1b was the real deal. This might upset R1a fanatics lol

R1b is Turkic, R1a is Aryan.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R1b is Turkic, R1a is Aryan.

R1a looks Uralic indoeuropenised by R1b.

[Crimean]

R1b is Turkic, R1a is Aryan.
I would say that R1a is the original Aryan haplogroup, and R1b are Semitized and Zionized Aryans. Traitors.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I would say that R1a is the original Aryan haplogroup, and R1b are Semitized and Zionized Aryans. Traitors.

Natenyahu is your R1a bother. Lot of Jews are R1a mate.

[Crimean]

Natenyahu is your R1a bother. Lot of Jews are R1a mate.
Then you can allow such an option that both haplogroups R1a and R1b are in fact Jewish, and the true White ones are only I1, and they are almost completely destroyed between 1860-1945.
In each joke, the joke is only a part;).

[IncelSlayer]

Most of these R1b were wrongly assigned and will be corrected after peer review, this is the correction: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bnVJujBs_bQu_dqSVi_dSXUuz9gNIYFX_XlqRrz92mo/edit#gid=0

The P312 Scythian from Starosillya looks like an assimilated European, probably a Celt. He clusters with Northwestern Europeans.

LOL!!! I knew it, this just basically confirms what anthropologists have been saying about scytho-sarmatian tribes a hundred years before genetic tests, east slavs are the only direct descendents of them.They were largely corded nordid tho,unlike modern slavs who are mixed with n populations from germans to asians.

[Proto-Shaman]

The P312 Scythian from Starosillya looks like an assimilated European, probably a Celt. He clusters with Northwestern Europeans.
Try this guy: Scythian Ukraine scy009 768-431 BC (T017764)

He scores 100% West Eurasian on Gedrosia K3. Here is a K36 mapping:
https://i.imgur.com/GNYs0vO.png

his K23b results:

MDLP K23b Oracle results:
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit T017764

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 48.63
2 Caucasian 23.99
3 European_Early_Farmers 22.9
4 Ancestral_Altaic 1.81
5 Near_East 1.65
6 North_African 0.56
7 African_Pygmy 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 5.55
2 North_German ( ) 5.64
3 Austrian ( ) 5.72
4 German-Volga ( ) 6.36
5 German_East ( ) 7.41
6 Dutch ( ) 7.78
7 Dane ( ) 7.9
8 German ( ) 8.43
9 Belgian ( ) 8.66
10 Swede ( ) 8.91
11 Hungarian ( ) 9.29
12 Frisian ( ) 9.59
13 Slovenian ( ) 9.72
14 Swede_Saami ( ) 9.89
15 English ( ) 10.81
16 Norwegian_East ( ) 10.82
17 Irish ( ) 11.09
18 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 11.18
19 Czech ( ) 11.64
20 North_European ( ) 11.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72% Balt ( ) + 28% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.25
2 69.5% Lithuanian ( ) + 30.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.29
3 70.6% Latvian ( ) + 29.4% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.42
4 75.3% Russian-North-West ( ) + 24.7% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.65
5 61.6% Pole ( ) + 38.4% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.67
6 61.8% Pole ( ) + 38.2% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.72
7 65% Pole ( ) + 35% French_South ( ) @ 2.81
8 60.6% Pole ( ) + 39.4% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.84
9 77.2% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 22.8% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.89
10 59.3% Pole ( ) + 40.7% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.93
11 74% Russian-West ( ) + 26% Sardinian ( ) @ 3
12 50.3% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 49.7% Latvian ( ) @ 3.05
13 70.8% Sorb ( ) + 29.2% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.07
14 64.4% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 35.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.07
15 70% Sorb ( ) + 30% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 3.08
16 77.8% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 22.2% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.09
17 71% Sorb ( ) + 29% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.1
18 68.8% Sorb ( ) + 31.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 3.1
19 55.6% French ( ) + 44.4% Pole ( ) @ 3.11
20 55.7% Pole ( ) + 44.3% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 3.11

assimilated European?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

:laugh:

[Proto-Shaman]

These kind of threads always turn into Indo-Iran-Turko-Indo-European fuck festivals, again, as always xD

This is disturbing:

R1b is Turkic, R1a is Aryan.

R1a looks Uralic indoeuropenised by R1b.

I would say that R1a is the original Aryan haplogroup, and R1b are Semitized and Zionized Aryans. Traitors.

Natenyahu is your R1a bother. Lot of Jews are R1a mate.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

this thread turned into Indo-Iran-Turko-Indo-European fuck festival, again, as always xD

You are delusional if you think Scythians were Turds.

[Token]

Try this guy: Scythian Ukraine scy009 768-431 BC (T017764)

He scores 100% West Eurasian on Gedrosia K3. Here is a K36 mapping:

his K23b results:

MDLP K23b Oracle results:
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit T017764

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 48.63
2 Caucasian 23.99
3 European_Early_Farmers 22.9
4 Ancestral_Altaic 1.81
5 Near_East 1.65
6 North_African 0.56
7 African_Pygmy 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 5.55
2 North_German ( ) 5.64
3 Austrian ( ) 5.72
4 German-Volga ( ) 6.36
5 German_East ( ) 7.41
6 Dutch ( ) 7.78
7 Dane ( ) 7.9
8 German ( ) 8.43
9 Belgian ( ) 8.66
10 Swede ( ) 8.91
11 Hungarian ( ) 9.29
12 Frisian ( ) 9.59
13 Slovenian ( ) 9.72
14 Swede_Saami ( ) 9.89
15 English ( ) 10.81
16 Norwegian_East ( ) 10.82
17 Irish ( ) 11.09
18 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 11.18
19 Czech ( ) 11.64
20 North_European ( ) 11.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72% Balt ( ) + 28% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.25
2 69.5% Lithuanian ( ) + 30.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.29
3 70.6% Latvian ( ) + 29.4% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.42
4 75.3% Russian-North-West ( ) + 24.7% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.65
5 61.6% Pole ( ) + 38.4% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.67
6 61.8% Pole ( ) + 38.2% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.72
7 65% Pole ( ) + 35% French_South ( ) @ 2.81
8 60.6% Pole ( ) + 39.4% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.84
9 77.2% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 22.8% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.89
10 59.3% Pole ( ) + 40.7% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.93
11 74% Russian-West ( ) + 26% Sardinian ( ) @ 3
12 50.3% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 49.7% Latvian ( ) @ 3.05
13 70.8% Sorb ( ) + 29.2% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.07
14 64.4% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 35.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.07
15 70% Sorb ( ) + 30% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 3.08
16 77.8% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 22.2% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.09
17 71% Sorb ( ) + 29% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.1
18 68.8% Sorb ( ) + 31.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 3.1
19 55.6% French ( ) + 44.4% Pole ( ) @ 3.11
20 55.7% Pole ( ) + 44.3% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 3.11

assimilated European?
Most certainly yes. It seems that Scythians assimilated everyone that they encountered on their way, there are even two Scythians from Ukraine (scy197 and scy192 if i remember corrrectly) clustering with Greeks and Albanians.

[Proto-Shaman]

You are delusional if you think Scythians were Turds.
Yes, I am soooo delusional

https://i.imgur.com/xv5zxQm.png

Imagine, this guy even was R1a xD

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yes, you are.

[Proto-Shaman]

Most certainly yes. It seems that Scythians assimilated everyone that they encountered on their way, there are even two Scythians from Ukraine (scy197 and scy192 if i remember corrrectly) clustering with Greeks and Albanians.
What I don't understand is why these so called "Scythians" are dated to the 3rd mill. B.C.?

[Ülev]

that was Kipchak's signature once :rolleyes:


yep, the truth about R1

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=58071&d=1433082322

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ahahaha :D

[Proto-Shaman]

fuck, how I missed that pic xD

thanks for the remembrance!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

that was Kipchak's signature once :rolleyes:

Also the Scandinavian Hakan, --> Hakon.

[Proto-Shaman]

Also the Scandinavian Hakan, --> Hakon.
deny Hunnic invasion?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

deny Hunnic invasion?

Well, now seriously, it's possible that Hunns kept modern Denmark, but this is discussable.

[Proto-Shaman]

Well, now seriously, it's possible that Hunns kept modern Denmark, but this is discussable.
the whole Scandinavia royalty was swept with Hunnic rulers. Read some Swedish book! xD

[Antimatter]

A sample under E-M123 was found as well in the Central Steppes. For a scythian.

[Proto-Shaman]

A sample under E-M123 was found as well in the Central Steppes. For a scythian.
Dolgans from North Siberia have 40% E

[Antimatter]

Dolgans from North Siberia have 40% E

It's clear now. Scythians were Turkics. I wonder which dumb conspiratorial theorist would disagree with this fact.

[Proto-Shaman]

It's clear now. Scythians were Turkics. I wonder which dumb conspiratorial theorist would disagree with this fact.
This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Abaev

[Antimatter]

This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Abaev

Lol, wonder what he will claim as well. Sumerians were not Turkic, lol!

[Proto-Shaman]

Lol, wonder what he will claim as well. Sumerians were not Turkic, lol!
Well, that was an English bastard from Britain, he was a filthy pastor or something, I don't remember his name but he was surely bastzard, he changed the course of Sumerian studies. There was a paper where you could read about this issue. Unfortunately, I lost it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Dolgans from North Siberia have 40% E

Even E Turkic?

It seems that my I2-Din-South is one of the rare haplogroups which is not foundable among Turks. (Except those stolen children from Turkey, by Devshrime system).

[Bosniensis]

Scythians are R1a proven dozens of times already. R1b are Germanics who lived next to them.

[Proto-Shaman]

Even E Turkic?

It seems that my I2-Din-South is one of the rare haplogroups which is not foundable among Turks. (Except those stolen children from Turkey, by Devshrime system).

Yes, E is Turan. Together with D we ruled the world 50.000 years ago.

I2 is 100% Kurdish.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, E is Turan. Together with D we ruled the world 50.000 years ago.

I2 is 100% Kurdish.

What means "Kurdish" ? It is Kurdish, Serbian, Sardinian, Croatian... etc? Modern Kurdish language is not related to I2a people.

[Bosniensis]

Yes, E is Turan. Together with D we ruled the world 50.000 years ago.

I2 is 100% Kurdish.

I also think that R1a, R1b, I2, J2, E1b, N and O are Turan Haplogroups cause they were all Turks 80.000 years ago then became apostates.

[Proto-Shaman]

What means "Kurdish" ? It is Kurdish, Serbian, Sardinian, Croatian... etc?
Kurds, Mazandaris, Persians, Caucasians, Cretans.


Modern Kurdish language is not related to I2a people.
http://ok-t.ru/studopediaru/baza14/1007865357763.files/image031.png

[Proto-Shaman]

I also think that R1a, R1b, I2, J2, E1b, N and O are Turan Haplogroups cause they were all Turks 80.000 years ago then became apostates.
O is China Vietnam Korea Japan bro. and its not older than 40.000 years.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Kurds, Mazandaris, Persians, Caucasians, Cretans.


http://ok-t.ru/studopediaru/baza14/1007865357763.files/image031.png

Yes. Bosnia I2 strongest. I repeat again, Kurdish language (modern Kurdish language) is not connected with I2a haplogroup.

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes. Bosnia I2 strongest. I repeat again, Kurdish language (modern Kurdish language) is not connected with I2a haplogroup.
I2 comes from Middle East. I told you 1000 times.

[Ülev]

Was Elvis (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people) Kurdish?

[Proto-Shaman]

Was Elvis (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people) Kurdish?
no, Turkish, why?

[Ülev]

he was I2c

[Antimatter]

Yes, E is Turan. Together with D we ruled the world 50.000 years ago.

I2 is 100% Kurdish.

Who is R then? And J and I and N and C.....

[Proto-Shaman]

Who is R then? And J and I and N and C.....
R is Siberian womanizer, who started his porn carrer about 14.000 years ago in India and Pakistan. The porn journey continued in Iran, Caucasus, Anatolia and so on... IE's were born as a result of some real hardcore porn... perhaps the greates in history..
In around 6000 BC, J was the first victim of R. But later on R got victimized by Old European I2 and I1 some thousand years later in Eastern Europe. N always stayed as a dirty voyeurist bastard jerking off while watching his NOP brother R being maternally victimized by the I brothers. C is an ancient agglutinative overlord encompassing Australian Aborigines, Tungus-Mongolians and Na-Dene Amerindians. C was probably the first human in history splitting up from African Bushmen.

EDIT: ... and Q that shithole just pissed off to Americas, he did not wanted to play that game... only little branch of Yeniseian Q stayed loyal to voyeurist bastard N watching R fulfilling his porn carreer throughout Europe.

[Dorian]

First homosapien out of africa(? maybe arabian peninsula) was a dark proto-caucasoid,
when E proto-mediterranids returned to africa they slayed local bushmen/pygmoids(who themselves were a mixture of proto-caucasoid homosapiens with an archaic local hominid) the mixture with different hominids produced the modern"races".
Proto-caucasoids f*** anything that had a hole so interracial/interspecies mixes go way back in history,all components ,all y-dna,all languages etc are protocaucasoid-homo sapien and the phenotypical differences are the result of varying degrees of non-sapien/non-neanderthaloid hominid influences/adaptions/mutations/selected traits.
I miss melonhead.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I2 comes from Middle East. I told you 1000 times.

Well, i understand your Scythian Turks, but really can't understand your I2a "Kurds". I2 originated in Europe, and paleo-european Y-DNA.

[celticdragongod]

Aren't R1b is ultimately evolved in Middle East.

Who told you that?

[Blondie]

Well, i understand your Scythian Turks, but really can't understand your I2a "Kurds". I2 originated in Europe, and paleo-european Y-DNA.

There is no scythian turk, because scythians were iranic not altaic. This guy is master of pseudo science.... according to him every european and asian are realted to turks.

[Proto-Shaman]

There is no scythian turk, because scythians were iranic not altaic. This guy is master of pseudo science.... according to him every european and asian are realted to turks.
Shut up you dirty nonbeliever. May Attila return from his grave and punish you for your heretic words!

[Proto-Shaman]

Well, i understand your Scythian Turks, but really can't understand your I2a "Kurds". I2 originated in Europe, and paleo-european Y-DNA.
Man, I only say that Kurds always stayed where they live now, but they still have I2. How comes? Ancient Slavs migrating into middle east? Keep in mind Iranians and Slavs share common Satem-language. Kurdish has the closest relationship with Slavs. "thanks" in Kurdish is "spas" just like in Slavic. And many other word. I don't know them all, I am not a Kurdish-speaker. Many Kurds also have that CM Slavic skull shape. How comes?

[Ayetooey]

Man, I only say that Kurds always stayed where they live now, but they still have I2. How comes? Ancient Slavs migrating into middle east? Keep in mind Iranians and Slavs share common Satem-language. Kurdish has the closest relationship with Slavs. "thanks" in Kurdish is "spas" just like in Slavic. And many other word. I don't know them all, I am not a Kurdish-speaker. Many Kurds also have that CM Slavic skull shape. How comes?
Brother, you've opened my eyes.

I will go and reserve web domain www.Kurdish-I2a-master-race.com.

[Proto-Shaman]

Brother, you've opened my eyes.

I will go and reserve web domain www.Kurdish-I2a-master-race.com.
As long as www.Turkic-R1a-master-race.com will stay reserved for me, I am fine with that. In future maybe these two master races could unite to super hayvan race, who knows :rolleyes:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Man, I only say that Kurds always stayed where they live now, but they still have I2. How comes? Ancient Slavs migrating into middle east? Keep in mind Iranians and Slavs share common Satem-language. Kurdish has the closest relationship with Slavs. "thanks" in Kurdish is "spas" just like in Slavic. And many other word. I don't know them all, I am not a Kurdish-speaker. Many Kurds also have that CM Slavic skull shape. How comes?

There was probably back migration of I2 from Europe to West Asia in Paleolithic. Dude, hg I itself was born in Europe, not to mention I2. Kurds and Slavs have different clades though.

[Proto-Shaman]

Dude, hg I itself was born in Europe,
If so, why middle eastern peoples have most ancient mutations of I and basal I?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

If so, why middle eastern peoples have most ancient mutations of I and basal I?

And even IJ as well, Proto-Kurdo-Slavic marker.