Scythians R1a, not R1b (vol 2.0)

[Proto-Shaman]

Semargl checked out bam files and it turned out that y-haplos were determined incorrectly especially for scythians and sarmatians.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bnVJujBs_bQu_dqSVi_dSXUuz9gNIYFX_XlqRrz92mo/edit#gid=0

chy002 Cherniy Yar Late Sarmatian 65 - 220 CE XY T1a1 R1a1a
tem002 Temyaysovo Late Sarmatian 125 - 240 CE XY D4q R1a
tem003 Temyaysovo Late Sarmatian 130-320 CE XY U5b2b R1a
scy009* Starosillya Scythian 770 - 415 BCE XY J2b1a6 R1b-P312
scy193* Glinoe Scythian ND XY U5a2a1 R1a
scy197* Glinoe Scythian 2885 - 2632 BCE XY U5a1a1 E1b
scy301 Glinoe Scythian 392 - 204 BCE XY U5b2a3 I2a
scy304 Glinoe Scythian 361 - 172 BCE XY U4* R1b-Z2103
scy305* Glinoe Scythian 399 - 209 BCE XY U5a2b R1b-Z2106

cim357 Glinoe Sad Cimmerian 914 - 805 BCE XY H9a R1a-Z93
cim358 Glinoe Sad Cimmerian 936 -809 BCE XY C5c (50%) Q1a1

+ Proto-Western-Sycthians:
kzb002 Kazburun 1 Srubno-alakulskaya 1875 - 1665 BCE XY J1c3a R1a1a1
kzb003 Kazburun 1 Srubno-alakulskaya 1765 - 1630 BCE XY H R1a-Z94
kzb005 Kazburun 1 Srubno-alakulskaya 1880 - 1690 BCE XY HV0a R1a-Z280
kzb007 Kazburun 1 Srubno-alakulskaya 1755 - 1630 BCE XY U5a1 R1a1a1
kzb008 Kazburun 1 Srubno-alakulskaya 1880 -1690 BCE XY HV0a R1a-Z280
mur002 Muradym 8 Srubno-alakulskaya ND XY K1a4b R1a
mur003 Muradym 8 Srubno-alakulskaya 1880 - 1685 BCE XY T2a1 R1a-Z93*

RESPONSE TO Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrZxSoLmgA

[Pandit]

everyone knows here that Scythian were R1a, whats new ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lmao, still only one R1a among them. You're a clown dude.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

everyone knows here that Scythian were R1a, whats new ?

Man, I'm starting to think R1a was originally Uralic marker. How do you explain complete absence of R1a among PIE Yamnanya ?

:D

[Pandit]

Man, I'm starting to think R1a was originally Uralic marker. How do you explain complete absence of R1a among PIE Yamnanya ?

:D

i dont know or care about yamnaya to be honest. i have heard that some other central Asian culture is supposed parent culture to our Ethno-Religious community(Brahmans) but I? dont know if it's true.

R1a-z93 is found highest among Brahmins in India at 75% in North and over 85% in North West Regions so i am sure thats the gene of Real Aryans.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Nobody gives a fuck about brown Aryans in India tbh. This is European forum man. And yeah R1a originates from Andronovo which was probably originaly Uralic.
Yamnanya is PIE, so everything after it isn't original.

[Leto]

Man, I'm starting to think R1a was originally Uralic marker. How do you explain complete absence of R1a among PIE Yamnanya ?

:D
How come it can be Uralic? Uralic tribes like the Udmurts and Khants/Mansi are over 50% N. On the other hand, East Slavs, Poles as well as Tajiks and Pashtuns are majority R1a.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

How come it can be Uralic? Uralic tribes like the Udmurts and Khants/Mansi are over 50% N. On the other hand, East Slavs, Poles as well as Tajiks and Pashtuns are majority R1a.

Isn't N originally East Asian ? Uralics don't come from east asia bro. Maybe it isn't their original marker.

[Leto]

Nobody gives a fuck about brown Aryans in India tbh. This is European forum man. And yeah R1a originates from Andronovo which was probably originaly Uralic.
Yamnanya is PIE, so everything after it isn't original.
Skin color doesn't really matter when we talk about haplogroups.

[Peterski]

This guy was Uralic in your opinion?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277289-Ancestor-of-R1a-men-on-GEDmatch

[Leto]

Isn't N originally East Asian ? Uralics don't come from east asia bro. Maybe it isn't their original marker.
I don't know. Honestly I don't believe that the Finno-Ugric languages originated in Finland and Estonia, that's BS promoted by some Finns. Some Finns want to disassociate themselves from Russians completely. And I agree they are a very different group of people with different genetics and culture but nevertheless they didn't descend into Finland from heaven, lol. Obviously they have some links to other populations.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

This guy was Uralic in your opinion?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277289-Ancestor-of-R1a-men-on-GEDmatch

Perhaps, I see his top matches are Northern Swedes and Finns who have Uralic input.

I always belived R1a and R1b are both PIE, maybe R1a even more. But just can't understand how not a single R1a was found among Yamnanyans lmao

Anyone got a theory about it ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't know. Honestly I don't believe that the Finno-Ugric languages originated in Finland and Estonia, that's BS promoted by some Finns. Some Finns want to disassociate themselves from Russians completely. And I agree they are a very different group of people with different genetics and culture but nevertheless they didn't descend into Finland from heaven, lol. Obviously they have some links to other populations.

You have some Magyars claiming Uralic languages are native to northeastern Europe and older than IE in that region.

[Leto]

Perhaps, I see his top matches are Northern Swedes and Finns who have Uralic input.

I always belived R1a and R1b are both PIE, maybe R1a even more. But just can't understand how not a single R1a was found among Yamnanyans lmao

Anyone got a theory about it ?
The Corded Ware (ancestors of modern Northeastern and Central Europeans) and Sintashta (the proto-Aryans) were R1a

[Pandit]

Nobody gives a fuck about brown Aryans in India tbh. This is European forum man. And yeah R1a originates from Andronovo which was probably originaly Uralic.
Yamnanya is PIE, so everything after it isn't original.

No onegives a shit about Supposed IE family, IE is a hoax created by Euros to connect their kinds with Indo-Iranians to hide their barbarian past.

Aryan word itself is from Indo-Iranian languages not from Europe. You should start caring about Brown Indians, because future is bleek for your insignificant nation as world will return to it's natural position after 2050.

[Peterski]

R1a does not originate from Andronovo.

That guy was from Sredny Stog Phase II:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredny_Stog_culture

"The expert Dmytro Telegin has divided the chronology of Sredny Stog into two distinct phases. Phase II (ca. 4000–3500 BC) used corded ware pottery which may have originated there, and stone battle-axes of the type later associated with expanding Indo-European cultures to the West. Most notably, it has perhaps the earliest evidence of horse domestication (in phase II), with finds suggestive of cheek-pieces (psalia)."

[Leto]

No onegives a shit about Supposed IE family, IE is a hoax created by Euros to connect their kinds with Indo-Iranians to hide their barbarian past.

Aryan word itself is from Indo-Iranian languages not from Europe. You should start caring about Brown Indians, because future is bleek for your insignificant nation as world will return to it's natural position after 2050.
Get the hell out of the European forum, you dipshit. Anti-whiteness has no place here!

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No onegives a shit about Supposed IE family, IE is a hoax created by Euros to connect their kinds with Indo-Iranians to hide their barbarian past.

Aryan word itself is from Indo-Iranian languages not from Europe. You should start caring about Brown Indians, because future is bleek for your insignificant nation as world will return to it's natural position after 2050.

Lmao complexed OWD, it's you coming to our forums while none of us gives a fuck about you. I want to distance us from you, not connect lol

And don't worry about Europe man, worry about your street shitting compatriots in India.

What the fuck are you doing on European forum third-worlder ?

[Pandit]

Get the hell out of the European forum, you dipshit. Anti-whiteness has no place here!

Make me, cuck.

[Leto]

Lmao complexed OWD, it's you coming to our forums while none of us gives a fuck about you. I want to distance us from you, not connect lol

And don't worry about Europe man, worry about your street shitting compatriots in India.

What the fuck are you doing on European forum third-worlder ?
Fucking Indians are migrating to white countries, while no whites are migrating to India... :rolleyes: There is some Indians even in Eastern Europe and Russia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Fucking Indians are migrating to white countries, while no whites are migrating to India... :rolleyes: There is some Indians even in Eastern Europe and Russia.

We have their Aryan brothers in Europe already, they are called Gypsies and let's hope they will return ot motherland sooner or later.

[Pandit]

Lmao complexed OWD, it's you coming to our forums while none of us gives a fuck about you. I want to distance us from you, not connect lol

And don't worry about Europe man, worry about your street shitting compatriots in India.

What the fuck are you doing on European forum third-worlder ? What I am doing is far more Evil than your ancestors did in my country cuck.

[Pandit]

Fucking Indians are migrating to white countries, while no whites are migrating to India... :rolleyes: There is some Indians even in Eastern Europe and Russia.

My father is one of them, shagged your women as well.

We are colonising you.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

What I am doing is far more Evil than your ancestors did in my country cuck.

Stop taking drugs. Slavs never went to India.

[Leto]

Aryan word itself is from Indo-Iranian languages not from Europe. You should start caring about Brown Indians, because future is bleek for your insignificant nation as world will return to it's natural position after 2050.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/543802347751735297/d88.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

My father is one of them, shagged your women as well.

We are colonising you.

Nah, I'm like certain you made that up because you're ashamed of being brown. I see you are R1a, so that means you took dna test.

Show us your gedmatch, let's see how much ''Slavic, French Canadian'' you are :laugh:

[Leto]

My father is one of them, shagged your women as well.

We are colonising you.
I have officially reported you. If this shithole called TA is still a European cultural community, you will be gone soon.

[Pandit]

This guy was Uralic in your opinion?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277289-Ancestor-of-R1a-men-on-GEDmatch


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/543802347751735297/d88.png

That guy will be R1a ancest of your women and children for sure.

Only before Tyrons reach your country in large numbers before us.

[Pandit]

Nah, I'm like certain you made that up because you're ashamed of being brown. I see you are R1a, so that means you took dna test.

Show us your gedmatch, let's see how much ''Slavic, French Canadian'' you are :laugh:

My mother is french-Canadian you muppet.

[Leto]

Nah, I'm like certain you made that up because you're ashamed of being brown. I see you are R1a, so that means you took dna test.

Show us your gedmatch, let's see how much ''Slavic, French Canadian'' you are :laugh:
He probably thanks God or nature or whatever everyday for being at least half white (if he didn't make that up).

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I have officially reported you. If this shithole called TA is still a European cultural community, you will be gone soon.

Man, Indian men are least desireable race on earth for white women togheder with chinks. Negroes have far more sucess compared to them.

So it's not like you need to worry :laugh:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

My mother is french-Canadian you muppet.

Prove it.

[Pandit]

He probably thanks God or nature or whatever everyday for being at least half white (if he didn't make that up).

Whitenss is Cuckness in Modern Urban North America.

[Pandit]

Prove it.

To a balkanoid like you ? LAMO

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

To a balkanoid like you ? LAMO

I am white, unlike you. And I am certain you are fully Indian who is ashamed of it thus pretends of being half white.

[Leto]

Man, Indian men are least desireable race on earth for white women togheder with chinks. Negroes have far more sucess compared to them.

So it's not like you need to worry :laugh:
Well, my point is that Loki has gradually allowed TA to become a non-European or in some cases even anti-European shithole. Back in 2014 it was much better, I can even say TA redpilled me on many issues like race, Islam, etc. Why are there so many non-Europeans here? For example I wouldn't go to a Muslim, Indian, Asian or Latin American cultural community to spread my negative views about them. I'd really like to share my views on other things than genetics but as long as TA hasn't been purged of that scum I won't (and I'm afraid that will never happen).

[Leto]

Whitenss is Cuckness in Modern Urban North America.
And in India it is a sign of nobility and beauty.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Well, my point is that Loki has gradually allowed TA to become a non-European or in some cases even anti-European shithole. Back in 2014 it was much better, I can even say TA redpilled me on many issues like race, Islam, etc. Why are there so many non-Europeans here? For example I wouldn't go to a Muslim, Indian, Asian or Latin American cultural community to spread my negative views about them. I'd really like to share my views on other things than genetics but as long as TA hasn't been purged of that scum I won't (and I'm afraid that will never happen).

They come here because they feel inferior to Europeans and because we have absolutely no interest in them. For them being mixed with whites is considered success because deep down they all wish they were European.

[Voskos]

Some years ago i joined an indian forum and got banned in 10 minutes for trolling.

[Leto]

They come here because they feel inferior to Europeans and because we have absolutely no interest in them. For them being mixed with whites is considered success because they down they all wish they were European.
Well, I don't mind some intelligent non-European members like Mingle but types like that Indian guy really have no place here. There are countless forums on the Internet, why can't Europeans have a forum largely (not even exclusively) for themselves? To discuss things from a European perspective.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Well, I don't mind some intelligent non-European members like Mingle but types like that Indian guy really have no place here. There are countless forums on the Internet, why can't Europeans have a forum largely (not even exclusively) for themselves? To discuss things from a European perspective.

Nobody mind Mingle bro, he's a great dude. But those brown Aryan nationalists on euro forums are fucking ridiculous.

[Proto-Shaman]

Lmao, still only one R1a among them. You're a clown dude.
You are a true historian. Sarmatians are not Scythians now? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Proto-Shaman]

Some years ago i joined an indian forum and got banned in 10 minutes for trolling.
happened to me when I tried to join Indo-European Etymology groups xD

[Leto]

happened to me when I tried to join Indo-European Etymology groups xD
Because you are promoting obvious pseudoscience. Everyone was Turkic, there were no IEs and things like that. Why are you spamming TA with that stuff? I remember you are like 4-5% mongoloid only which means less than the Anatolian Turkish average. It's ridiculous. You're either a Balkan Turk or a Caucasian-Russian mix (you seem to understand Russian).

[Blondie]

Well, my point is that Loki has gradually allowed TA to become a non-European or in some cases even anti-European shithole. Back in 2014 it was much better, I can even say TA redpilled me on many issues like race, Islam, etc. Why are there so many non-Europeans here? For example I wouldn't go to a Muslim, Indian, Asian or Latin American cultural community to spread my negative views about them. I'd really like to share my views on other things than genetics but as long as TA hasn't been purged of that scum I won't (and I'm afraid that will never happen).

I 100% agree, i have experience...

[Proto-Shaman]

Because you are promoting obvious pseudoscience. Everyone was Turkic, there were no IEs and things like that. Why are you spamming TA with that stuff? I remember you are like 4-5% mongoloid only which means less than the Anatolian Turkish average. It's ridiculous. You're either a Balkan Turk or a Caucasian-Russian mix (you seem to understand Russian).
It hurts, doesn't it? Sometimes dogmas are hard to die.

[Leto]

It hurts, doesn't it? Sometimes dogmas are hard to die.
No, it doesn't but I still would like to ban you. :cool:

[Proto-Shaman]

No, it doesn't...
It does:


07/12/2009

4. ENEOLITHIC AND HORSE DOMESTICATION. A study by A.K. Outram, N.A.Stear, R. Bendrey, S. Olsen, A. K*****ov, V. Zaibert, N. Thorpe, R.P. Evershed ("Science" 323, 2009, pp. 1332-1335) definitively confirms that horse domestication first took place in northern Kazakhstan, in the framework of the Eneolithic Botai culture, dating to about 3500 B.C.E. Analysis of organic residues also reveals milking of mares. See, on the same subject, "Trail of Mare's Milk Leads to First Tamed Horses", in Science 322, 2008, p. 368.

A comment by M.A.: Surprisingly, the authors still refer to works of Anthony, Mallory and Piggot, according to which "domestication of horse is associated with the spread of Indo-European languages and culture". Modern archaeology (beginning with Renfrew) has demolished this theory. Moreover, overwhelming linguistic evidence, among which most important is the spread of exclusively Turkic loanword related to horse terminology in all languages of Eastern Europe, both Indo-European and Uralic, shows that horse domestication is a fundamental Turkic innovation. It is no accident that the Botai culture is a khazak culture, belonging to the Turkic-speaking area, and not to the IE-, or Uralic-speaking one! Myths and dogmas are hard to die! (M.A.)


...but I still would like to ban you. :cool:
reason? IE's are a result of creolic language contacts? :cool:

[Imperator Biff]

Perhaps, I see his top matches are Northern Swedes and Finns who have Uralic input.

I always belived R1a and R1b are both PIE, maybe R1a even more. But just can't understand how not a single R1a was found among Yamnanyans lmao

Anyone got a theory about it ?
Well older PIE horizons ancestral to yamnaya and corded ware in samara eneolithic sites (Khvalynsk II) were a mix of both R1a and R1b haplotypes.