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Kaspias
02-23-2019, 05:29 PM
Hi,


We have a match and most probably his paternal grandfather and my paternal grandmother were 3rd cousins.


Paternal Grandfather: From Drama. Balkan Turk.
Paternal Grandmother: From Petrich. Balkan Turk.
Maternal Grandather: From Preševo. Albanian.
Maternal Grandmother: From Preševo. Albanian.


y-DNA: R-Z93
mt-DNA: X2B-T226C


Eurogenes K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.06
2 North_Atlantic 19.99
3 Baltic 18.95
4 West_Med 16.97
5 West_Asian 14.01
6 Siberian 2.17
7 Red_Sea 2
8 East_Asian 1.44
9 Northeast_African 0.32
10 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.73
2 Bulgarian 6.55
3 Romanian 8.63
4 Central_Greek 10.84
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.88
6 East_Sicilian 12.3
7 Serbian 12.85
8 West_Sicilian 12.95
9 Tuscan 13.06
10 Ashkenazi 13.73
11 South_Italian 15.15
12 North_Italian 16.22
13 Moldavian 18.4
14 Sephardic_Jewish 20.48
15 Italian_Jewish 20.56
16 Algerian_Jewish 20.79
17 Hungarian 20.84
18 Croatian 21.55
19 Austrian 23.34
20 Portuguese 23.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Cyprian @ 2.77
2 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.95
3 79.4% Romanian + 20.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.96
4 78.5% Central_Greek + 21.5% Finnish @ 3.06
5 80.1% Romanian + 19.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.06
6 78.9% Central_Greek + 21.1% East_Finnish @ 3.07
7 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.11
8 81.4% Bulgarian + 18.6% Cyprian @ 3.13
9 66.9% Serbian + 33.1% Cyprian @ 3.15
10 68% South_Italian + 32% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.2
11 77.3% Romanian + 22.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.21
12 77.1% Central_Greek + 22.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.23
13 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.24
14 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.25
15 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.26
16 75.2% Central_Greek + 24.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.27
17 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.28
18 67.9% South_Italian + 32.1% Southwest_Russian @ 3.28
19 80.6% Bulgarian + 19.4% Turkish @ 3.28
20 84.7% Bulgarian + 15.3% Assyrian @ 3.29



Eurogenes K15



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.7
2 North_Sea 15.13
3 Baltic 13.34
4 West_Med 13.21
5 West_Asian 12.66
6 Atlantic 10.59
7 Eastern_Euro 7.31
8 Red_Sea 1.99
9 Siberian 1.68
10 Southeast_Asian 1.26
11 Northeast_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.71
2 Greek 8.22
3 Bulgarian 8.28
4 Romanian 9.53
5 Ashkenazi 10.44
6 Central_Greek 10.52
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.3
8 East_Sicilian 11.8
9 Serbian 12.82
10 Tuscan 13.11
11 West_Sicilian 13.52
12 South_Italian 13.96
13 North_Italian 16.91
14 Moldavian 17.1
15 Italian_Jewish 17.63
16 Sephardic_Jewish 18.77
17 Algerian_Jewish 19.2
18 Hungarian 19.24
19 Croatian 19.67
20 Austrian 20.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Hungarian + 45.3% Cyprian @ 3.98
2 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% Tatar @ 4.45
3 77.9% Romanian + 22.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.46
4 77.1% Central_Greek + 22.9% Estonian @ 4.47
5 90.1% Greek_Thessaly + 9.9% Erzya @ 4.55
6 91.7% Greek_Thessaly + 8.3% Chuvash @ 4.57
7 72.7% Central_Greek + 27.3% Ukrainian @ 4.63
8 90.2% Greek_Thessaly + 9.8% East_Finnish @ 4.67
9 90.2% Greek_Thessaly + 9.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.67
10 78.1% Romanian + 21.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.7
11 71.9% Central_Greek + 28.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.7
12 89.7% Greek_Thessaly + 10.3% Southwest_Russian @ 4.72
13 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.72
14 93.1% Greek_Thessaly + 6.9% Mari @ 4.73
15 91.1% Greek_Thessaly + 8.9% Estonian @ 4.78
16 90.5% Greek_Thessaly + 9.5% Finnish @ 4.78
17 91.6% Greek_Thessaly + 8.4% Lithuanian @ 4.84
18 76% Central_Greek + 24% Finnish @ 4.84
19 76.5% Central_Greek + 23.5% East_Finnish @ 4.85
20 91.3% Greek_Thessaly + 8.7% La_Brana-1 @ 4.86



PuntDNAL K15



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.54
2 NE_European 32.56
3 Caucasian 21.72
4 SW_Asian 6.13
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.91
6 Siberian 1.76
7 E_Asian 0.86
8 Beringian 0.61
9 S_African 0.47
10 Oceanian 0.25
11 W_African 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.46
2 Greek_Central 4.85
3 Albanian 6.04
4 Tuscan 6.82
5 Montenegrin 7.94
6 Italian 8.53
7 Bulgarian 8.55
8 Romanian 9.3
9 Macedonian 9.75
10 Bosnian 11.62
11 Ashkenazy_Jew 13.2
12 Sicilian 14.55
13 Serbian 15.74
14 Brazilian 16.12
15 Portuguese 16.6
16 Sephardic_Jew 16.94
17 Spaniard 17.51
18 French 19.14
19 Croatian 21.07
20 South_German 21.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Greek_Thessaly + 8.7% Bashkir @ 1.26
2 92.6% Greek_Thessaly + 7.4% Chuvash @ 1.73
3 95.3% Greek_Thessaly + 4.7% Selkup @ 1.81
4 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.85
5 89.3% Greek_Central + 10.7% Chuvash @ 1.93
6 79.9% Bulgarian + 20.1% Assyrian @ 2.06
7 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Turk_Kayseri @ 2.07
8 80.5% Montenegrin + 19.5% Turk_Istanbul @ 2.11
9 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Armenian @ 2.13
10 77.6% Macedonian + 22.4% Assyrian @ 2.13
11 64% Spaniard + 36% Kumyk @ 2.13
12 63.4% French + 36.6% Assyrian @ 2.22
13 80.1% Bulgarian + 19.9% Azerbaijani @ 2.24
14 96.8% Greek_Thessaly + 3.2% Dolgan @ 2.24
15 78.5% Romanian + 21.5% Assyrian @ 2.25
16 64.5% Serbian + 35.5% Cypriot @ 2.27
17 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% Koryak @ 2.29
18 74.9% Macedonian + 25.1% Cypriot @ 2.3
19 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Turk_Trabzon @ 2.3
20 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% Turk_Istanbul @ 2.32



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.14
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.9
3 European_Early_Farmers 20.1
4 Near_East 7.45
5 South_Central_Asian 4.28
6 Austronesian 1.67
7 North_African 1.54
8 Paleo_Siberian 1.4
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.94
10 Tungus-Altaic 0.72
11 Australoid 0.54
12 Khoisan 0.5
13 South_East_Asian 0.38
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.2
15 Archaic_Human 0.14
16 East_African 0.06
17 East_Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian ( ) 3.53
2 Bulgarian ( ) 3.87
3 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.98
4 Montenegrian ( ) 5.48
5 Greek_Northwest ( ) 5.6
6 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 5.84
7 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 6.16
8 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.52
9 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 6.84
10 Kosovar ( ) 7.04
11 Serb_BH ( ) 7.76
12 Gagauz ( ) 7.84
13 Croat ( ) 8.02
14 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.03
15 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 8.1
16 Ashkenazi ( ) 8.1
17 Central_Greek ( ) 8.26
18 Sicilian_West ( ) 8.34
19 Bosnian ( ) 8.57
20 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 8.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 15.9% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 2.25
2 81.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 18.5% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 2.25
3 84.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 15.6% Moksha ( ) @ 2.25
4 83.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 16.8% Russian-West ( ) @ 2.27
5 85.9% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 14.1% Latvian ( ) @ 2.27
6 78.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 21.5% Ukrainian_West ( ) @ 2.27
7 83.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 16.6% Russian_North ( ) @ 2.27
8 83.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 16.2% Russian-North-West ( ) @ 2.29
9 80.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 19.4% Kashub ( ) @ 2.29
10 81% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 19% Sorb ( ) @ 2.3
11 86.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 13.6% Estonian ( ) @ 2.3
12 82.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 17.8% Russian_South ( ) @ 2.31
13 86.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 13.6% Erzya ( ) @ 2.31
14 83.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 16.4% Belarusian_South ( ) @ 2.32
15 85% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 15% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) @ 2.32
16 85.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 14.8% Balt ( ) @ 2.32
17 82.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 17.9% Don_cossack ( ) @ 2.32
18 86.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 13.5% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 2.33
19 78.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 21.2% Slovak ( ) @ 2.33
20 73% Montenegrian ( ) + 27% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.36




MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.14
2 Neolithic 25.25
3 Steppe 17.2
4 NorthEastEuropean 15.61
5 NearEast 3.14
6 NorthAfrican 1.74
7 Arctic 1.09
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Oceanic 0.68
10 Australian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 4.14
2 Kosovar (Kosovo) 4.58
3 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 4.61
4 Greek (Greece) 4.68
5 Greek (Thessaloniki) 4.82
6 Albanian (Albania) 4.83
7 Macedonian (Macedonia) 5.17
8 Greek (Peloponnes) 5.83
9 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.83
10 Romanian (Romania) 6.14
11 Romanian (Gorj) 6.16
12 Greek (Macedonia) 6.79
13 Italian (Abruzzo) 7.18
14 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 7.28
15 Italian (NorthIitaly) 7.47
16 Romanian (Apuseni) 7.49
17 Italian (Tuscany) 7.52
18 Italian (Friul) 8.09
19 Serbian (Serbia) 8.4
20 Moldavian (Molodva) 8.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% Greek (Greece) + 34.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 1.7
2 66.3% Greek (Greece) + 33.7% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 1.93
3 64.1% Greek (Greece) + 35.9% English (Cornwall) @ 1.96
4 70.4% French (EastFrance) + 29.6% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.96
5 71.1% Greek (Athens) + 28.9% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.03
6 71.7% Greek (Athens) + 28.3% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.04
7 62.9% Greek (Greece) + 37.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.07
8 64.6% Greek (Athens) + 35.4% Hungarian (WestUkraine) @ 2.09
9 63% Greek (Greece) + 37% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.13
10 65.2% Greek (Athens) + 34.8% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.16
11 61.6% Greek (Greece) + 38.4% English (England) @ 2.17
12 67.1% Greek (Greece) + 32.9% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.25
13 67.8% Greek (Greece) + 32.2% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.27
14 70.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 29.4% German (Germany) @ 2.27
15 74% Greek (Macedonia) + 26% French (France) @ 2.31
16 69.4% Greek (Athens) + 30.6% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.32
17 74.9% Greek (Macedonia) + 25.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.35
18 68.8% French (EastFrance) + 31.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.36
19 73.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 26.3% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) @ 2.4
20 63.7% Greek (Athens) + 36.3% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.42


Dodecad K12b


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.17
2 North_European 27.4
3 Atlantic_Med 24.75
4 Southwest_Asian 7.53
5 Gedrosia 7.3
6 East_Asian 1.51
7 Siberian 1.42
8 Northwest_African 0.52
9 Southeast_Asian 0.27
10 Sub_Saharan 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.09
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.07
3 Romanians (Behar) 9.27
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.02
5 Greek (Dodecad) 11.37
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.08
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.97
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.34
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.99
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.4
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.41
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.56
13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.82
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.82
15 Hungarians (Behar) 23.17
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.4
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.14
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.7
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.13
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.17
2 51.9% German (Dodecad) + 48.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.63
3 56.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 43.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.69
4 71.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.84
5 51.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 48.3% German (Dodecad) @ 3.85
6 69.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.9
7 70.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.99
8 56.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 43.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 4.07
9 56.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 43.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 4.16
10 69.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 4.2
11 70.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 4.46
12 82.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 17.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 4.49
13 75.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.5
14 67.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.5
15 71.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 4.51
16 75.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.8% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 4.53
17 56.7% German (Dodecad) + 43.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.54
18 74% Romanians (Behar) + 26% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 4.55
19 67.5% Romanians (Behar) + 32.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 4.55
20 71.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 4.55

Leto
02-23-2019, 05:39 PM
Still more Northern European than most of Sikeliot's wogs, lol. Virtually none of his samples scored 27% NE.

Kaspias
02-23-2019, 05:43 PM
Still more Northern European than most of Sikeliot's wogs, lol. Virtually none of his samples scored 27% NE.

Lol :D

Hulu
02-23-2019, 05:44 PM
Unusual mtdna. None of my 23and matches with X2b is Albanian. She might be some minority from Presevo.

Bosniensis
02-23-2019, 05:48 PM
https://i.imgur.com/2Y6f3oI.png

Ryuk
02-23-2019, 05:51 PM
Even he is 1/2 albanian,still he has %2-3 east asian input.
I think his turkish parents have %6-8 east asian and this is high for a macedonian turkish.

Interesting.

Kaspias
02-23-2019, 05:51 PM
Unusual mtdna. None of my 23and matches with X2b is Albanian. She might be some minority from Presevo.

Unfortunately i don't have any knowledge about it. With a little research i found there are two downstream of it one is Native Amerindian and another is European-West Asian. If his mt-DNA is Native Amerindian then this would point out Turkic admixture in somewhere. On the other hand European - West Asian can be found in Albanians normally.

Bosniensis
02-23-2019, 05:52 PM
Does Turkic Balkaner exist?

Hulu
02-23-2019, 05:54 PM
Unfortunately i don't have any knowledge about it. With a little research i found there are two downstream of it one is Native Amerindian and another is European-West Asian. If his mt-DNA is Native Amerindian then this would point out Turkic admixture in somewhere. On the other hand European - West Asian can be found in Albanians normally.

She's probably a turk too. As I said no Albanians with that mtdna among my 1000+ contacts

Ryuk
02-23-2019, 05:56 PM
https://i.imgur.com/2Y6f3oI.png

Your Serbian Nation also has high number R1a,my dark lord.

xripkan
02-23-2019, 05:56 PM
Interesting! Do you think his paternal haplogroup justify Ottoman ancestry?

Kaspias
02-23-2019, 05:57 PM
Does Turkic Balkaner exist?

There are more than 10m Balkan Turk population. Some are mixed with Anatolians and other Muslim Balkanites.

Kaspias
02-23-2019, 05:59 PM
Interesting! Do you think his paternal haplogroup justify Ottoman ancestry?

Yeah, i would say it comes from Ottoman-Turkic ancestor. Not common for Balkans.

lonewolfcypriot
02-23-2019, 05:59 PM
From what I've seen so far. The Balkan Turks are just as Turkish genetically as Anatolian Turks.

Kaspias
02-23-2019, 06:18 PM
From what I've seen so far. The Balkan Turks are just as Turkish genetically as Anatolian Turks.

Böri would be triggered :D

Bosniensis
02-23-2019, 06:21 PM
From what I've seen so far. The Balkan Turks are just as Turkish genetically as Anatolian Turks.

If I get a kid from Muslim women, will my child become Balkan Turk?

lonewolfcypriot
02-23-2019, 08:53 PM
If I get a kid from Muslim women, will my child become Balkan Turk?

if she is Turk then yes