Should Northern Bell Beakers be considered proto-Nordics?

[J. Ketch]

https://www.mupload.nl/img/fw3uskon.21.22.png

Nordic Scandinavians are the modern populations least genetically removed from them (at least superficially), and all NW Europeans derive most of their ancestry from these people. This would also make sense of the strangely high amount of so-called Nordic or Nordish phenotypes found across Europe, as Northern BB's significantly influenced the genetics of much of the continent. Modern Iberians for example are almost a 50/50 mixture of Northern Bell Beakers and native Neolithic Iberians I believe.

Facial reconstruction of a Northern Bell Beaker.
https://i.imgur.com/rckQXR4.png

[Lucas]

https://www.mupload.nl/img/fw3uskon.21.22.png

Nordic Scandinavians are the modern populations least genetically removed from them (at least superficially), and all NW Europeans derive most of their ancestry from these people. This would also make sense of the strangely high amount of so-called Nordic or Nordish phenotypes found across Europe, as Northern BB's significantly influenced the genetics of much of the continent. Modern Iberians for example are almost a 50/50 mixture of Northern Bell Beakers and native Neolithic Iberians I believe.

Facial reconstruction of a Northern Bell Beaker.
https://i.imgur.com/rckQXR4.png

Problem is that BB folks are usually linked with pronounced brachycephaly. Although I'm not sure it is true for their northern part too.

[Imperator Biff]

Problem is that BB folks are usually linked with pronounced brachycephaly. Although I'm not sure it is true for their northern part too.

This is also problematic for a SGC origin as some have claimed as those corded skulls were all pretty dolichocephalic. Ntm all Dutch beakers were all R1b-P312 which hasn’t been found in any corded samples either.

[Imperator Biff]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XykZBU8oT74/WH5vDfFelWI/AAAAAAAAVAo/bHGXQxoKWr0CROEL5Aqh6d9FrsSZ1ceXgCLcB/s1600/Thankerton%2BMan.JPG
Reconstruction of Scottish chalcolithic beaker whom would’ve also clustered closest with ‘Nords’ autosomally.

[Bellbeaking]

I would consider Corded ware proto nordics as the Nordic Bronze age emerged out of a variety of CWC cultures and groups not just Northern Beakers

[J. Ketch]

I would consider Corded ware proto nordics as the Nordic Bronze age emerged out of a variety of CWC cultures and groups not just Northern Beakers
Modern Nordic people are nothing like CWC people genetically.

[J. Ketch]

Modern Nordic people are nothing like CWC people genetically.
Swedish Iron Age samples closest populations IN G25:


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
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0.0000000 0.2310829
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[Joso]

Problem is that BB folks are usually linked with pronounced brachycephaly. Although I'm not sure it is true for their northern part too.

Brunns are probably the most Bell Beaker type and it would be brachycephalic without the browridges. It is also frequently planoccipital i think but i am not sure( i am saying it based on the "red nordid" concept of the "Europa Soberana").
Borreby is also linked with the Bell Beakers i think and they are brachycephalic as well.
These two types are common in the most Bell Beaker areas( R1b) of Northern Europe, also

[J. Ketch]

Bell Beaker Netherlands


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
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Bell Beaker England


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
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England_EMBA SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
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England_Roman Wales_CA_EBA
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England_LBA Bell_Beaker_CZE
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Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main SWE_IA
0.3754570 0.3781509
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FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o German
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SVK_Poprad_MA CZE_Starounetice_EBA
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UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
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Belgian Corded_Ware_DEU
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Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL BGR_MLBA
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USA_colonial_period ITA_Collegno_MA
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Ireland EBA


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
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SWE_IA German
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German_East Belgian
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Hungarian KAZ_Karagash_MLBA
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BGR_Varna_En3 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
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CWC Baltic


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
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DEU_MA KAZ_Zevakinskiy_BA
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German_East Norwegian
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CWC Germany


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
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0.3379917 0.3655772
BGR_MLBA KAZ_Mys_MLBA
0.3670650 0.3671376
DEU_Karsdorf_LN KAZ_Kairan_MLBA
0.3699188 0.3710051
KAZ_Lisakovskiy_MLBA_Alakul KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
0.3776683 0.3888157
TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA KAZ_Solyanka_MLBA
0.4073066 0.4137466
KAZ_Ak_Moustafa_MLBA1 KAZ_Karagash_MLBA
0.4173956 0.4231607
KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En
0.4290229 0.4405108
SWE_Battle-Axe POL_Chopice_Wesele_Culture
0.4405232 0.4504919
RUS_Poltavka_o KAZ_Dali_MLBA
0.4692815 0.4816816
Bell_Beaker_NLD UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA
0.4902904 0.5000383
KAZ_Zevakinskiy_BA Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
0.5122728 0.5162427
KAZ_Satan_MLBA_Alakul Corded_Ware_POL
0.5191583 0.5245281
CZE_EBA POL_EBA
0.5310117 0.5399780
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main Corded_Ware_Baltic
0.5423672 0.5538248
Bell_Beaker_England Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.5589819 0.5598483
DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN POL_Unetice_EBA
0.5603599 0.5749142
RUS_Petrovka_MLBA DEU_Unetice_EBA
0.5833758 0.6010069
Bell_Beaker_FRA RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o2
0.6264802 0.6277369
UKR_Catacomb IRL_BA
0.6292088 0.6540639
NLD_BA England_CA_EBA
0.6601964 0.6699607
CZE_Unetice_EBA Yamnaya_UKR
0.6802279 0.6828542
Nordic_MN_B RUS_Poltavka
0.6876746 0.6912836
RUS_Potapovka_MLBA SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
0.6935634 0.6977565
England_EMBA Wales_CA_EBA
0.6991067 0.7057086
Scythian_UKR Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
0.7059267 0.7125686
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine RUS_Catacomb
0.7158312 0.7205178
England_MBA SWE_IA
0.7232749 0.7300702
Scotland_CA_EBA Finnish
0.7310282 0.7340794
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara England_LBA
0.7353711 0.7368867
Bell_Beaker_POL Bell_Beaker_England_EBA
0.7513207 0.7546058
Swedish Scotland_MBA
0.7573853 0.7589210
DEU_Halberstadt_LBA UKR_Cimmerian
0.7589222 0.7599519
Icelandic Ingrian
0.7609402 0.7613020
RUS_Afanasievo DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.7614456 0.7642869
Scotland_LBA England_Saxon
0.7646518 0.7700844
Norwegian Yamnaya_BGR
0.7724637 0.7764077
DEU_MA Shetlandic
0.7871173 0.7887872
Russian_Kostroma Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
0.7961550 0.7973355
HUN_MA_Szolad_o2 RUS_Kubano-Tersk
0.7990193 0.8007029
Scythian_MDA_o2 Russian_Tver
0.8008682 0.8012836
Nordic_BA Nordic_LN
0.8060075 0.8132600
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale Irish
0.8140947 0.8153522
Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka Mordovian
0.8171297 0.8171453
England_Roman Russian_Kursk
0.8179984 0.8180531
England_IA Orcadian
0.8218046 0.8224534
Dutch Sarmatian_KAZ
0.8226621 0.8240563

CWC Poland


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Corded_Ware_POL1 POL_EBA
0.0000000 0.1728563
Corded_Ware_Baltic CZE_EBA
0.2769489 0.3029042
Bell_Beaker_NLD DEU_Unetice_EBA
0.3032528 0.3063530
Bell_Beaker_England POL_Chopice_Wesele_Culture
0.3394469 0.3482199
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna KAZ_Lisakovskiy_MLBA_Alakul
0.3512951 0.3544061
KAZ_Kairan_MLBA Corded_Ware_CZE
0.3569916 0.3669236
Bell_Beaker_Scotland Bell_Beaker_FRA
0.3714533 0.3744083
RUS_Poltavka_o POL_Unetice_EBA
0.3747990 0.3838447
RUS_Sintashta_MLBA KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
0.3852878 0.3865128
KAZ_Karagash_MLBA CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.4006780 0.4008175
KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul England_CA_EBA
0.4046985 0.4075329
RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA IRL_BA
0.4127248 0.4188624
RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA NLD_BA
0.4217441 0.4240999
Nordic_MN_B SWE_Battle-Axe
0.4267136 0.4268103
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main Scythian_MDA_o2
0.4281863 0.4303262
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine Scotland_CA_EBA
0.4350009 0.4382429
KAZ_Ak_Moustafa_MLBA1 Nordic_LN
0.4412656 0.4518604
England_MBA Swedish
0.4556294 0.4571553
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA Scotland_MBA
0.4608574 0.4748499
Finnish KAZ_Solyanka_MLBA
0.4813171 0.4835064
DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.4865746 0.4896303
Corded_Ware_DEU_o KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA1
0.4899721 0.4921991
Nordic_BA Wales_CA_EBA
0.4934014 0.4967562
Ingrian SWE_IA
0.5048149 0.5059349
England_Saxon England_LBA
0.5066224 0.5122714
Bell_Beaker_England_EBA Icelandic
0.5147526 0.5150340
Bell_Beaker_POL Norwegian
0.5173019 0.5226494
Corded_Ware_DEU Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.5245281 0.5283385
UKR_Dereivka_I_En2 UZB_Kashkarchi_BA
0.5304853 0.5343143
UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA BGR_MLBA
0.5392499 0.5411044
RUS_Petrovka_MLBA FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
0.5425733 0.5428396
Scotland_LBA KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA1
0.5436620 0.5448330
UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En DEU_MA
0.5478653 0.5511689
England_EMBA Estonian
0.5511760 0.5537216
KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA Russian_Tver
0.5546663 0.5574032
DEU_Alberstedt_LN Baltic_EST_IA
0.5587119 0.5667636
Polish Russian_Kursk
0.5703862 0.5710690
Cossack_Kuban England_IA
0.5746818 0.5765791
Bell_Beaker_CZE Baltic_EST_MA
0.5772406 0.5783704
Dutch Slovakian
0.5802715 0.5808339
Russian_Orel Czech
0.5846220 0.5846328
Orcadian Welsh
0.5909945 0.5935994
England_Roman Russian_Kostroma
0.5939497 0.5942045
HUN_Avar_Szolad KAZ_Mys_MLBA
0.5943736 0.5954106
Shetlandic Cossack_Ukrainian
0.5964120 0.6011420
German_East Ukrainian
0.6025193 0.6047604
Scottish CZE_Early_Slav
0.6083144 0.6106289
Russian_Voronez Irish
0.6112516 0.6159493
HUN_MA_Szolad_o2 Karelian
0.6223752 0.6249806
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o Belarusian
0.6254793 0.6271388

Sweden Battle-Axe


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
SWE_Battle-Axe1 POL_Chopice_Wesele_Culture
0.0000000 0.2321974
CZE_EBA KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
0.2595158 0.2656306
Bell_Beaker_NLD KAZ_Kairan_MLBA
0.2675896 0.2849782
Bell_Beaker_England RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
0.2927380 0.2983337
DEU_Unetice_EBA POL_Unetice_EBA
0.3070074 0.3106947
Bell_Beaker_Scotland DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
0.3298034 0.3326511
RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
0.3354205 0.3355277
England_CA_EBA Corded_Ware_CZE
0.3447052 0.3462754
Bell_Beaker_FRA IRL_BA
0.3531390 0.3605173
KAZ_Ak_Moustafa_MLBA1 CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.3667269 0.3687318
RUS_Poltavka_o UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA
0.3875619 0.3876207
Bell_Beaker_POL Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main
0.3881316 0.3940022
KAZ_Lisakovskiy_MLBA_Alakul UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En
0.3954502 0.3957271
NLD_BA England_MBA
0.3970131 0.4032960
RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA Scotland_CA_EBA
0.4035868 0.4092871
Wales_CA_EBA England_EMBA
0.4117257 0.4159620
KAZ_Solyanka_MLBA Scotland_MBA
0.4207062 0.4264805
Corded_Ware_POL RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA
0.4268103 0.4271790
DEU_MA England_LBA
0.4301358 0.4372887
Scotland_LBA DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.4387464 0.4388469
Corded_Ware_DEU KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA1
0.4405232 0.4434020
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna Nordic_MN_B
0.4463045 0.4520332
England_Saxon DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.4532704 0.4533847
SWE_IA Icelandic
0.4544792 0.4555653
RUS_Petrovka_MLBA England_Roman
0.4571577 0.4598362
Nordic_BA Dutch
0.4640255 0.4647119
Swedish KAZ_Karagash_MLBA
0.4673647 0.4706229
Shetlandic Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.4726150 0.4747121
Norwegian Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.4750671 0.4770277
Orcadian England_IA
0.4789600 0.4795227
Scottish Irish
0.4816178 0.4816442
POL_EBA BGR_MLBA
0.4970810 0.5034652
HUN_MA_Szolad_o2 Nordic_LN
0.5035442 0.5089001
UZB_Kashkarchi_BA Welsh
0.5121651 0.5244472
English TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA
0.5276593 0.5301114
Corded_Ware_Baltic Scythian_UKR
0.5322221 0.5329010
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine
0.5347667 0.5371948
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA French_Brittany
0.5412763 0.5416171
SVK_Poprad_MA German_East
0.5416899 0.5447905
Scythian_MDA_o2 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA1
0.5463772 0.5468966
German KAZ_Mys_MLBA
0.5476310 0.5513102
Yamnaya_BGR Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
0.5515936 0.5526129
Bell_Beaker_England_EBA English_Cornwall
0.5527150 0.5581095
Czech KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA
0.5713311 0.5729034
DEU_Karsdorf_LN HUN_MA_Szolad
0.5880252 0.6022691
Austrian CZE_Starounetice_EBA
0.6065127 0.6136594
Hungarian Slovakian
0.6144979 0.6225740
CZE_Early_Slav KAZ_Zevakinskiy_BA
0.6271615 0.6302438
UKR_Cimmerian Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.6340706 0.6429831
Belgian USA_colonial_period
0.6445703 0.6452330

[Coastal Elite]

I don't see why not. I think the bigger question is why the facial reconstruction of the northern Bell Beaker looks like a Seattle homeless man in front of a methadone clinic. Was there an anti-Bell Beaker bias in the the reconstruction?

[Dick]

I don't see why not. I think the bigger question is why the facial reconstruction of the northern Bell Beaker looks like a Seattle homeless man in front of a methadone clinic. Was there an anti-Bell Beaker bias in the the reconstruction?

The sculptor was listening to "Drain you" while reconstructing the face.

[J. Ketch]

Nordic BA


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Nordic_BA1 Scotland_CA_EBA
0.0000000 0.2828879
Nordic_LN DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.2987985 0.2996877
Scotland_MBA England_CA_EBA
0.3083928 0.3098442
Bell_Beaker_CZE Scythian_MDA_o2
0.3174818 0.3273066
Bell_Beaker_FRA England_IA
0.3278492 0.3301003
Bell_Beaker_POL England_MBA
0.3302677 0.3343818
IRL_BA NLD_BA
0.3379783 0.3400000
DEU_Unetice_EBA Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.3452741 0.3491966
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale CZE_EBA
0.3517085 0.3528197
CZE_Unetice_EBA England_Saxon
0.3633470 0.3636691
Bell_Beaker_England England_Roman
0.3676834 0.3695070
DEU_Alberstedt_LN Swedish
0.3707338 0.3827469
Dutch DEU_MA
0.3828689 0.3875260
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.3887542 0.3889324
Scotland_LBA German
0.3939337 0.3952701
Icelandic Norwegian
0.3977589 0.3990390
Orcadian Wales_CA_EBA
0.4022875 0.4085706
French_Brittany Welsh
0.4093143 0.4116865
Scottish Bell_Beaker_NLD
0.4123987 0.4157373
POL_Unetice_EBA English
0.4165363 0.4200106
England_LBA Irish
0.4258142 0.4269966
Bell_Beaker_Scotland Shetlandic
0.4307935 0.4360972
SVK_Poprad_MA German_East
0.4392988 0.4404411
Austrian Nordic_MN_B
0.4469169 0.4483524
English_Cornwall POL_Chopice_Wesele_Culture
0.4504139 0.4600172
SWE_Battle-Axe Czech
0.4640255 0.4661025
HUN_MA_Szolad England_EMBA
0.4691800 0.4750459
Bell_Beaker_England_EBA Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.4793972 0.4803451
Slovakian DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
0.4815358 0.4824652
SWE_IA UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine
0.4863780 0.4918535
Belgian Corded_Ware_POL
0.4926889 0.4934014
CZE_Early_Slav Hungarian
0.4970974 0.5068518
French_East Levant_LBN_MA_Euro
0.5092970 0.5156723
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.5224002 0.5240510
HUN_MA_Szolad_o2 RUS_Poltavka_o
0.5309418 0.5342117
RUS_Petrovka_MLBA ITA_Collegno_MA
0.5362862 0.5380866
KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
0.5420855 0.5442953
KAZ_Kairan_MLBA Slovenian
0.5461825 0.5544428
Croatian BGR_Varna_En3
0.5584062 0.5591213
POL_EBA Swiss_German
0.5670313 0.5693249
Polish French
0.5699806 0.5785434
Corded_Ware_DEU_o Scythian_HUN
0.5786512 0.5830843
RUS_Sintashta_MLBA CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.5831830 0.5860686
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.5860719 0.5865469
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
0.5890949 0.5899790
CZE_Starounetice_EBA UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA
0.5903010 0.6036099
KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA USA_colonial_period
0.6059481 0.6063715
Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL Corded_Ware_Baltic
0.6136369 0.6189365
Corded_Ware_CZE DEU_MA_ACD
0.6203768 0.6256505
HUN_LBA HUN_MA
0.6258778 0.6267648


I don't see why not. I think the bigger question is why the facial reconstruction of the northern Bell Beaker looks like a Seattle homeless man in front of a methadone clinic. Was there an anti-Bell Beaker bias in the the reconstruction?
I think there was something wrong with him (skeletal).

[Dick]

where can i find the updated G25 ancient spreadsheet?

[J. Ketch]

where can i find the updated G25 ancient spreadsheet?
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/02/unleash-power-global-25-test-drive.html

Bookmark it as it's always in the same place but sometimes hard to find.

[J. Ketch]

From a spreadsheet including BB Netherlands, BB Rhine, CWC Poland, CWC Baltic, France MN and Germany LBK.

[1] "distance%=2.4149"

Norwegian

Bell_Beaker_NLD,83.2
FRA_MN,7.4
DEU_LBK_N,5.4
Corded_Ware_POL,4

[1] "distance%=2.5674"

DEU_MA

Bell_Beaker_NLD,71.6
Corded_Ware_POL,10.2
DEU_LBK_N,9.4
FRA_MN,5.2
Corded_Ware_Baltic,3.6

[PaleoEuropean]

Nordic and Nordid are not the same thing, proto-Nordic is Brunn, Borreby and Cro-Magnid, proto-Nordid are Central Asian/Eastern European. Nordics are tall and robust, Nordids are tall and lanky



Description:
Ancient East Nordid variety, the eastern counterpart of the Aisto Nordids. Together with early Mediterranids it was widespread in prehistoric Proto-Indo-European populations of the Eurasian steppes (Fatyanovo). Diluted today. Still found sporadically in Russians, Balts, Rhodopians, Kurds, Gilani, Alawis, Samaritans, Druze, some Persians, Kalash, Pamiri, and sometimes even in Uyghurs.
Physical Traits:
Pale to fair skin, straight or wavy, usually blonde, sometimes reddish hair with blue, green, or grey eyes. Tall, mesoskelic, ectomorph to mesomorph. Dolichocephalic, mildly hypsicranic. Face long, nose prominent, long and hyperleptorrhine, sometimes convex. Rather rugged features, a deep mandible and a marked chin.

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

[Coastal Elite]

"sample": "Irish:Average",
"fit": 2.0716,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 86.67,
"DEU_LBK_N": 11.67,
"FRA_MN": 1.67,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 0,

"sample": "Icelandic:Average",
"fit": 2.0988,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 85,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 5,
"DEU_LBK_N": 5,
"FRA_MN": 5,

"sample": "English:Average",
"fit": 1.807,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 79.17,
"DEU_LBK_N": 11.67,
"FRA_MN": 6.67,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 2.5,

"sample": "Scottish:Average",
"fit": 1.6888,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 78.33,
"FRA_MN": 9.17,
"DEU_LBK_N": 7.5,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 5,

sample": "Swedish:Average",
"fit": 1.8959,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 65,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 25,
"DEU_LBK_N": 7.5,
"FRA_MN": 2.5,

[J. Ketch]

Most to least Steppe descending:

[1] "distance%=2.7276"

Corded_Ware_Baltic_early

Yamnaya_Samara,90.4
WHG,5
Barcin_N,4.4
Han,0.2

[1] "distance%=3.4078"

Corded_Ware_DEU

Yamnaya_Samara,76
Barcin_N,16.8
WHG,7.2

[1] "distance%=2.2349"

Corded_Ware_CZE

Yamnaya_Samara,69.4
Barcin_N,20.6
WHG,10

[1] "distance%=3.4715"

SWE_Battle-Axe

Yamnaya_Samara,63
Barcin_N,27.4
WHG,9.2
Yoruba,0.4

[1] "distance%=3.6012"

Corded_Ware_Baltic

Yamnaya_Samara,61.8
Barcin_N,20
WHG,17.8
Nganassan,0.2
Yoruba,0.2

[1] "distance%=2.7957"

Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main

Yamnaya_Samara,61.2
Barcin_N,24.8
WHG,11.8
Han,1.6
Ethiopia_4500BP,0.6

[1] "distance%=2.9953"

Corded_Ware_POL

Yamnaya_Samara,59.8
Barcin_N,22.4
WHG,17.8

[1] "distance%=3.2129"

Bell_Beaker_NLD

Yamnaya_Samara,59.6
Barcin_N,26.4
WHG,14

[1] "distance%=4.4207"

Bell_Beaker_Scotland

Yamnaya_Samara,57.4
Barcin_N,27.6
WHG,14.8
Dinka,0.2

[1] "distance%=3.26"

Bell_Beaker_England

Yamnaya_Samara,57
Barcin_N,28.6
WHG,14.4

[1] "distance%=3.7726"

NLD_BA

Yamnaya_Samara,55.4
Barcin_N,29.6
WHG,15

[1] "distance%=2.8272"

DEU_Unetice_EBA

Yamnaya_Samara,55
Barcin_N,30.2
WHG,14.8

[1] "distance%=3.8765"

IRL_BA

Yamnaya_Samara,54.4
Barcin_N,31.2
WHG,14.4

[1] "distance%=3.2711"

England_CA_EBA

Yamnaya_Samara,53.2
Barcin_N,31.6
WHG,15.2

[1] "distance%=5.154"

Wales_CA_EBA

Yamnaya_Samara,53
Barcin_N,32.8
WHG,14.2

[1] "distance%=5.5702"

SWE_IA

Yamnaya_Samara,52.2
Barcin_N,33
WHG,14.6
Dinka,0.2

[1] "distance%=3.2983"

DEU_Alberstedt_LN

Yamnaya_Samara,51.8
Barcin_N,36.6
WHG,11.6

[1] "distance%=2.9451"

Scotland_CA_EBA

Yamnaya_Samara,51.6
Barcin_N,32.6
WHG,15.8

[1] "distance%=3.5025"

Nordic_BA

Yamnaya_Samara,50
Barcin_N,33.8
WHG,15.8
Yoruba,0.4

[1] "distance%=2.971"

Nordic_LN

Yamnaya_Samara,49.8
Barcin_N,32.6
WHG,17.4
Dinka,0.2

[1] "distance%=3.0932"

Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale

Yamnaya_Samara,48.2
Barcin_N,36
WHG,15.8

[21993]

More like Proto West Germanic

[J. Ketch]

More like Proto West Germanic
West Germanic is a linguistic term, and the original West Germanic speaking people were all Nordic.

[21993]

West Germanic is a linguistic term, and the original West Germanic speaking people were all Nordic.

I mean the habitants of Northwestern Europe whose native language is a West Germanic one.

[J. Ketch]

I would consider Corded ware proto nordics as the Nordic Bronze age emerged out of a variety of CWC cultures and groups not just Northern Beakers
Why do you think Scandinavians have such a high Neolithic admixture (almost equal to Insular Celts)? Did they inherit more from the Neolithic Scandos than the British inherited from Neolithic Britons? How is their Mesolithic Y-DNA so high without it making much of a difference autosomally compared to other NW Euro's?

[Not a Cop]

Why do you think Scandinavians have such a high Neolithic admixture (almost equal to Insular Celts)? Did they inherit more from the Neolithic Scandos than the British inherited from Neolithic Britons? How is their Mesolithic Y-DNA so high without it making much of a difference autosomally compared to other NW Euro's?

Y-dna is very easy to spread, Balkans also have a shitload of I2a, while being highly neolithic.

[J. Ketch]

Y-dna is very easy to spread, Balkans also have a shitload of I2a, while being highly neolithic.
So did Scandinavians inherit all their Mesolithic paternal lines through Sardinian/Iberian like Neolithic Scandos?

[Scytheofgod]

https://www.mupload.nl/img/fw3uskon.21.22.png

Nordic Scandinavians are the modern populations least genetically removed from them (at least superficially), and all NW Europeans derive most of their ancestry from these people. This would also make sense of the strangely high amount of so-called Nordic or Nordish phenotypes found across Europe, as Northern BB's significantly influenced the genetics of much of the continent. Modern Iberians for example are almost a 50/50 mixture of Northern Bell Beakers and native Neolithic Iberians I believe.

Facial reconstruction of a Northern Bell Beaker.
https://i.imgur.com/rckQXR4.png

Nah, bell beaker looked balkan like, cwc were nordic, grow up

The best way to find out is through aniometry and Bell beakers were extremely different from scando skulls from neolithic to medieval you only have g25 evidence btw, also you can't even support autosomal has any major correlation with phenotype

[Katarzyna]

whether they are Proto nordid or not they should stay away from me

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

whether they are Proto nordid or not they should stay away from me

I am R1b unfortunately

and a fossil :(

[Grace O'Malley]

whether they are Proto nordid or not they should stay away from me

Well they are from thousands of years ago so I think you're safe. :p

Living men might be a problem though. :)

https://media.tenor.com/gn6tzLyZ-o8AAAAd/dont-come-near-me-tanya-czoraki.gif

[Grace O'Malley]

https://www.mupload.nl/img/fw3uskon.21.22.png

Nordic Scandinavians are the modern populations least genetically removed from them (at least superficially), and all NW Europeans derive most of their ancestry from these people. This would also make sense of the strangely high amount of so-called Nordic or Nordish phenotypes found across Europe, as Northern BB's significantly influenced the genetics of much of the continent. Modern Iberians for example are almost a 50/50 mixture of Northern Bell Beakers and native Neolithic Iberians I believe.

Facial reconstruction of a Northern Bell Beaker.
https://i.imgur.com/rckQXR4.png

I think Rathlin looked better than that facial reconstruction above. He looks a bit sickly and weak.

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[J. Ketch]

Nah, bell beaker looked balkan like, cwc were nordic, grow up

Bell Beaker were the offshoot of Corded Ware, brown cunt.