Portuguese from the Algarve v. Spanish from Andalusia: state main phenotypes and compare them

[Rouxinol]

The Algarve, Portugal and Andalusia, Spain, are both countries' southernmost regions. The first set is a group of councilors from Loulé (Algarve, Portugal). The second one is a group of councilors from Lucena (Andalusia, Spain).
As usual, check the pictures links for surnames in case you're interested.
You can also compare to these from northern regions: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279708-NE-Portuguese-v-NW-Spanish-state-main-phenotypes-and-compare-them (I think there isn't much of a difference).

City councilors of Loulé (Algarve, Portugal):
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City councilors of Lucena (Andalusia, Spain):
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/francisco_huertas.jpg?itok=Ae1jBeMz
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/rosario_valverde.jpg?itok=WtM89yMP
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/maria_de_la_o_redondo.jpg?itok=z5gG_g8A
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/francisco_aguilar.jpg?itok=bxatkubx
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/manuel_barea.jpg?itok=pEaEXPcT
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/purificacion_joyera.jpg?itok=MWooGeTd
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/miguel_villa.jpg?itok=PrXS_nre
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/vicente_dalda.jpg
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/teresa_alonso_1.jpg?itok=IXsjHVZx
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/araceli_bergillos.jpg?itok=iRyARB-6
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/araceli_moreno.jpg?itok=Tv-Cud7l
https://www.aytolucena.es/sites/default/files/styles/detalle_noticia_evento/public/juan_antonio_rodriguez.jpg?itok=OxRq637e
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[Catarinense1998]

Honestly, I think only portuguese and spaniards know how to distinguish each one.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Andalusia has more extremes and the Algarvians more standart iberian ones and also a more northern shifted as whole.

Algarve: mostly atlanto-meds, gracile meds, atlantids and one berid.
Andalusia: mostly atlanto-meds, berids, gracile meds, atlantids and one nordid.

[Rouxinol]

Andalusia has more extremes and the Algarvians more standart iberian ones.

Algarve: mostly atlanto-meds, gracile meds, atlantids and one berid.
Andalusia: mostly atlanto-meds, berids, gracile meds, atlantids and one nordid.

I agree with that assessment. Extremes can be found on both sides but the Andalusian extremes look more extreme than the Portuguese ones.

[Rouxinol]

Honestly, I think only portuguese and spaniards know how to distinguish each one.


#4, #5, #7 and #8 of the Andalusian set have very Spanish faces in my opinion. #8 somewhat resembles Javier Bardem (I know he’s Canarian but still).

[Catarinense1998]

#4, #5, #7 and #8 of the Andalusian set have very Spanish faces in my opinion. #8 somewhat resembles Javier Bardem (I know he’s Canarian but still).

But you are portuguese, then you are able to distinguish them. To me, they are just iberians.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I agree with that assessment. Extremes can be found on both sides but the Andalusian extremes look more extreme than the Portuguese ones.

I found the portuguese concilors from both threads more northern shifted than the spanish ones. But I think most iberian and latino users here know I think both nations are extremely similar. Yesterday Cristiano Viejo posted a group of spanish sport champion girls with around 20 years and they were very representative of all iberians including portugueses.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

#4, #5, #7 and #8 of the Andalusian set have very Spanish faces in my opinion. #8 somewhat resembles Javier Bardem (I know he’s Canarian but still).

IMO Javier Bardem is atypical in Spain, he is ugly as fuck.

His canarian side is strong.

[Rouxinol]

IMO Javier Bardem is atypical in Spain, he is ugly as fuck.

Yes but is a face you won’t find anywhere else.

[Marco94]

Andalusia has more extremes and the Algarvians more standart iberian ones.

Algarve: mostly atlanto-meds, gracile meds, atlantids and one berid.
Andalusia: mostly atlanto-meds, berids, gracile meds, atlantids and one nordid.

Agreed.

The Algarvians look more average, while the Andalusians seem to have more extremes.

[Rouxinol]

Others?

[JMack]

Agreed.

The Algarvians look more average, while the Andalusians seem to have more extremes.

+1

I always said Spaniards have more extreme exotic types than the Portuguese.

[Latinus]

Mainly a mix of Meds, Alpines and Berids.
The Spanish set have more exotic types, I always thought Portugal had more extreme/exotic types than Spain, but it seems I was wrong.

[Visage pâle]

+1

I always said Spaniards have more extreme exotic types than the Portuguese.

And you was wrong.

[Rouxinol]

And you was wrong.

One day, I believe, you'll be able to face the truth, Visage foncé.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Portuguese with a French nickname obsessed with the Spaniards again.

[Cristiano viejo]

Mainly a mix of Meds, Alpines and Berids.
The Spanish set have more exotic types, I always thought Portugal had more extreme/exotic types than Spain, but it seems I was wrong.

No, you was not wrong.

[Visage pâle]

One day, I believe, you'll be able to face the truth, Visage foncé.

Truth is, spaniards are close to southern french in term of pigmentation. You should read some studies on eye color as exemple. Spanish are much more lighter eyed than people would think.

[Cristiano viejo]

Truth is, spaniards are close to southern french in term of pigmentation. You should read some studies on eye color as exemple. Spanish are much more lighter eyed than people would think.

Actually this has nothing to do with studies. One just has to travel to these places and compare. Happens the same with some countries such as Romania. If you put attention on what TA users say Romania is Centraleuropean-looking country... and no, it is not at all. I know this because I have been there, and I trust more of my eyes than of Apricity "experts" :rolleyes:

[JMack]

Mainly a mix of Meds, Alpines and Berids.
The Spanish set have more exotic types, I always thought Portugal had more extreme/exotic types than Spain, but it seems I was wrong.

True. I think it's due to the common Brazilian (wrong) perception of the Portuguese being less Euro due to being so common in Brazil. But in fact the Portuguese are far from being among the most exotic/dark Euro group.

I'd say the darkest ones can be found among the Sardinians, Greeks, Spaniards from Andalusia and Extremadura + some Balkanites. Sicilians, despite all the incessant trolling in this forum, aren't particularly dark even if they have a certain number of individuals with armenized noses. I included Balkanites because even if truly olive-skinned individuals aren't common among them, when combined with extreme dinaroid features they can look very dark.

Some Dinaric Montenegrin, Serbian and Albanian peasants I've seen looked almost Amerindian when heavily tanned.

[Cristiano viejo]

^ Andalusians and Extremadurians are lighter than Portuguese.

[Rouxinol]

^ Andalusians and Extremadurians are lighter than Portuguese.

No they are not. Sorry not sorry.

[JMack]

No they are not. Sorry not sorry.

Andalusians often look like Anne Hidalgo or that woman married with Casillas who is supposedly Spanish but looks like an upper caste South Asian. I know this quite well because I've lived for 6 months in Granada and I used to visit the countryside regularly.

Of course these are not the main types, but they are common enough to be part of the main spectrum. I don't think these types are common in Portugal.

[Cristiano viejo]

Andalusians often look like Anne Hidalgo

:rofl:

[Visage pâle]

Andalusians often look like Anne Hidalgo or that woman married with Casillas who is supposedly Spanish but looks like an upper caste South Asian. I know this quite well because I've lived for 6 months in Granada and I used to visit the countryside regularly.

Of course these are not the main types, but they are common enough to be part of the main spectrum. I don't think these types are common in Portugal.

Anne Hidalgo is still lighter than Rui Patricio.

[Kamal900]

Honestly, I don't see much difference between the two.

[Rouxinol]

Honestly, I don't see much difference between the two.

There isn't much difference. Only types like Anne Hidalgo or #8 of the Andalusian set are considerably more common over there than in the Algarve. That man could only be Spanish.

[Morena]

Honestly, I don't see much difference between the two.

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[Cristiano viejo]

Anne Hidalgo is still lighter than Rui Patricio.

The problem of Portuguese is that Anne Hidalgo represents the 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000001% of the Spanish population, while there are tons of Rui Patricios, Betos, Rui Costas and Andre Silvas in Portugal.

[Rouxinol]

The problem of Portuguese is that Anne Hidalgo represents the 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000001% of the Spanish population, while there are tons of Rui Patricios, Betos, Rui Costas and Andre Silvas in Portugal.

I find it extraordinary that you say that when in all the samples I've posted so far there are tons of Anne Hidalgos. But ok, you'll keep your truth, I'll keep mine, and all is going to be fine.

BTW:
Rui Patricio
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/a5/ed/81a5ed9dfa76481b20b93c4f793147db.jpg

Anne Hidalgo
https://img.bfmtv.com/c/1000/600/ff8/fc424865d4fcd7d6af69b30ab4e56.jpeg

[alnortedelsur]

I find it extraordinary that you say that when in all the samples I've posted so far there are tons of Anne Hidalgos. But ok, you'll keep your truth, I'll keep mine, and all is going to be fine.

BTW:
Rui Patricio
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/a5/ed/81a5ed9dfa76481b20b93c4f793147db.jpg

Anne Hidalgo
https://img.bfmtv.com/c/1000/600/ff8/fc424865d4fcd7d6af69b30ab4e56.jpeg

Anne Hidalgo belong to the darker side of the Spanish spectrum, like it or not.

[Cristiano viejo]

I find it extraordinary that you say that when in all the samples I've posted so far there are tons of Anne Hidalgos.


Not even one of them looks like Anne Hidalgo.

It is ok if for you Rui Patricio is typical and average for Portugal. I agree.

[Rouxinol]

Not even one of them looks like Anne Hidalgo.

It is ok if for you if Rui Patricio is typical and average for Portugal. I agree.

He's neither atypical nor typical, but he's not common enough either.
Typical Portuguese:
http://icpt.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Francisco-Rodrigues-dos-Santos-1024x962.png

[JMack]

Not even one of them looks like Anne Hidalgo.

It is ok if for you if Rui Patricio is typical and average for Portugal. I agree.

I think he was trying to insinuate that even the darkest Portuguese are still considerably lighter than darker Spanish.

Well, Rui Patrício is Atlanto-Mediterranid. Anne Hidalgo I don't even know how to classify, she is not even ''olive'', she's plainly brown-skinned.

[Kamal900]

I think he was trying to insinuate that even the darkest Portuguese are still considerably lighter than darker Spanish.

Well, Rui Patrício is Atlanto-Mediterranid. Anne Hidalgo I don't even know how to classify, she is not even ''olive'', she's plainly brown-skinned.

Anne Hidalgo is more eastern Med looking than most of the people here. She wouldn't stick in places like Cyprus or even the Levant in general.

[Latinus]

I think he was trying to insinuate that even the darkest Portuguese are still considerably lighter than darker Spanish.

Well, Rui Patrício is Atlanto-Mediterranid. Anne Hidalgo I don't even know how to classify, she is not even ''olive'', she's plainly brown-skinned.

True, Anne Hidalgo looks exotic, wouldn't be classified/considered a white woman if she was born in Latin America. She is one of those Southern Euros whose classication would be diferent depending on the context of her birth: Latin America VS Spain.

[Latinus]

He's neither atypical nor typical, but he's not common enough either.
Typical Portuguese:
http://icpt.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Francisco-Rodrigues-dos-Santos-1024x962.png

Wouldn't a typical Portuguese be someone like Joaquim Lopes, Brazilian actor, which is an Atlanto-Med with dark hair and eyes? Yes, a sizable minority of Southern Euros have light eyes (many in my family have it), but if I were to post, for example, typical Spaniards I would choose brown haired/eyed meds like Eduardo Noriega and Blanca Suarez.

[Cristiano viejo]

He's neither atypical nor typical, but he's not common enough either.
Typical Portuguese:
So the typical Portuguese has light eyes :rolleyes:

I dont know to who you try to deceive. With me does not work, I have been in Portugal many times.


I think he was trying to insinuate that even the darkest Portuguese are still considerably lighter than darker Spanish.


Which is equally false.

[PT Tagus]

I am typical Portuguese... chestnut hair, hazel eyes and fair skin. :D

[Rouxinol]

Wouldn't a typical Portuguese be someone like Joaquim Lopes, Brazilian actor, which is an Atlanto-Med with dark hair and eyes? Yes, a sizable minority of Southern Euros have light eyes (many in my family have it), but if I were to post, for example, typical Spaniards I would choose brown haired/eyed meds like Eduardo Noriega and Blanca Suarez.

Picture him with brown eyes and there you go.

Or Diogo Morgado:

https://www.vip.pt/sites/default/files/styles/slider/public/images/noticia/2017/2017-02/2017-02-26/vip-pt-24061-noticia-diogo-morgado-os-segredos-e-polemicas-do-ator_48.jpg?itok=TLFVlrMS