My dad is East German? (eurogenes)

[nittionia]

Is this typical?
https://i.imgur.com/9CKERnL.png
https://i.imgur.com/De8eOEw.png

[nittionia]

bump

[nittionia]

buuuump

[Peterski]

Which East German region?

[nittionia]

Which East German region?

Not sure, I'm just wondering if these are typical east german results.

[Peterski]

Not sure, I'm just wondering if these are typical east german results.

Not really typical, distances are high.

[nittionia]

Here's the rest of the oracle if it matters
https://i.imgur.com/PFjQlCj.png

[Luke35]

It can't be typical, distances are high. The East Med jumps out at me as being elevated but I could be wrong. I guess on balance this individual is plotting central Europe with trends in almost all directions.

[nittionia]

It can't be typical, distances are high. The East Med jumps out at me as being elevated but I could be wrong. I guess on balance this individual is plotting central Europe with trends in almost all directions.

Yeah high east med. It’s my dads k13 but the distances are weird.


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[karakartal]

Can you please share your MDLP K23b, Dodecad K12b and Eurogenes K15?

[nittionia]

Can you please share your MDLP K23b, Dodecad K12b and Eurogenes K15?
Here are K23b and Eurogenes K15:

K23b:
https://i.imgur.com/6xoqLhQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/2ybQ9Qc.png
https://i.imgur.com/lGklK3Y.png
https://i.imgur.com/mIKg4DT.png

K15:
https://i.imgur.com/W71pYqr.png
https://i.imgur.com/iejQBHn.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ylv77fG.png
https://i.imgur.com/UmiK2ev.png

[happycow]

A buddy of mine shared his gedmatch kit with me and he gets East German as his top population at a distance of 4.3 on Eurogenes K13.

His oracles are quite different than your original post as well. He gets 50% English and 50% Ukrainian.

[nittionia]

Yeah I'm trying to figure out why the distance is so large

[happycow]

Yeah I'm trying to figure out why the distance is so large

I'd post some of his results but I don't want to without his permission :(

[nittionia]

I'd post some of his results but I don't want to without his permission :(

No worries (: what's his ethnicity?

[happycow]

No worries (: what's his ethnicity?

I honestly thought he was Irish or something; I don't think he even knew since he grew up only knowing his mother. But genetically turns out he is closest to East Germans and gets very good distances on most calculators.

[Peterski]

I honestly thought he was Irish or something; I don't think he even knew since he grew up only knowing his mother. But genetically turns out he is closest to East Germans and gets very good distances on most calculators.

^^^ Probably his father is Polish-American or a similar ethnicity.

Mixing Irish-American with Polish-American can produce "East German".

[happycow]

^^^ Probably his father is Polish-American or a similar ethnicity.

Mixing Irish-American with Polish-American can produce "East German".

Ah, very cool thank you :) He does get Irish and Polish in his oracles quite a bit.

Irish + South_Polish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv

[de Burgh II]

Tr00 Deutsche ubermensch. ;o

[Gründig]

Wow that is really high. That's higher than my east German and its 4th on my list.

[Matxe92]

Could be because he is mixed european. Seems to have some eastern european, some NW and some south.

Also as some people have mentioned, the distances are quite high. Which suggests again he is mixed.

[nittionia]

Yeah I guess the high distance is just a result of being too mixed

[Luke35]

It's as simple as that, he is mixed and does not fit well as any single European ethnicity. Personally, I think K15 is slightly better than K13, and you can see his results are slightly different there. What is clear is that he has influences from NE, NW, And S. Maybe not the SE but I need to really take a better look to be sure.

[Luke35]

Idk I just took another look he may have influence from the SE too. Without really understanding his known ancestry it is hard for me to decipher all that.

[nittionia]

Idk I just took another look he may have influence from the SE too. Without really understanding his known ancestry it is hard for me to decipher all that.

Yeah I think he ended up with a bit from every corner of europe, and it placed him in the middle. I need to hire someone to trace his family lines lol.

[Slavic Italian]

I have similar results. He is mixed. These calcs are not really good for mixed people. Davidski will tell you that himself.

[nittionia]

In this case are the populations given in the oracles representative of what his mix from the east could be? Like Belarus, Hungary, Estonian Polish, Ukrainian.

[Blondie]

He is central european germanic.

[Slavic Italian]

He is central european germanic.

What am I?

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.59
2 Baltic 25.13
3 West_Med 14.57
4 East_Med 12.19
5 West_Asian 7.57
6 Red_Sea 1.61
7 South_Asian 1.21
8 Amerindian 1.18
9 Northeast_African 1.14


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 6.942495
2 Hungarian @ 7.624191
3 Serbian @ 9.084677
4 East_German @ 9.764771
5 West_German @ 9.794897
6 South_Dutch @ 11.787029
7 French @ 12.680353
8 Romanian @ 12.745910
9 Croatian @ 13.558361
10 Moldavian @ 13.633217
11 North_German @ 15.711340
12 Bulgarian @ 16.188131
13 Southeast_English @ 17.926079
14 Danish @ 18.422274
15 North_Dutch @ 18.769777
16 Portuguese @ 18.772793
17 South_Polish @ 18.848547
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.028904
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.095654
20 North_Italian @ 19.173985

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% West_German @ 1.866525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +25% North_German +25% Tuscan @ 1.506524


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.346698
2 Ashkenazi + Irish + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.356535
3 East_Sicilian + Polish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.396887
4 Danish + East_Sicilian + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.397044
5 North_German + Ukrainian + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.403517
6 Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.415856
7 Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.416141
8 Belorussian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.420268
9 Danish + Polish + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.445588
10 Croatian + Danish + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 1.446850
11 East_Sicilian + Russian_Smolensk + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.459479
12 East_Sicilian + North_Dutch + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.470756
13 Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.491367
14 East_Sicilian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.493043
15 Estonian_Polish + Orcadian + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.493080
16 Hungarian + Hungarian + North_German + Tuscan @ 1.506524
17 East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.509553
18 Ashkenazi + Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 1.518932
19 East_German + Hungarian + North_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.524266
20 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.524837

[Token]

Looks rather mixed.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

What am I?

A cuck. :icon_lol:

[Blondie]

What am I?

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.59
2 Baltic 25.13
3 West_Med 14.57
4 East_Med 12.19
5 West_Asian 7.57
6 Red_Sea 1.61
7 South_Asian 1.21
8 Amerindian 1.18
9 Northeast_African 1.14


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 6.942495
2 Hungarian @ 7.624191
3 Serbian @ 9.084677
4 East_German @ 9.764771
5 West_German @ 9.794897
6 South_Dutch @ 11.787029
7 French @ 12.680353
8 Romanian @ 12.745910
9 Croatian @ 13.558361
10 Moldavian @ 13.633217
11 North_German @ 15.711340
12 Bulgarian @ 16.188131
13 Southeast_English @ 17.926079
14 Danish @ 18.422274
15 North_Dutch @ 18.769777
16 Portuguese @ 18.772793
17 South_Polish @ 18.848547
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.028904
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.095654
20 North_Italian @ 19.173985

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% West_German @ 1.866525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +25% North_German +25% Tuscan @ 1.506524


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.346698
2 Ashkenazi + Irish + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.356535
3 East_Sicilian + Polish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.396887
4 Danish + East_Sicilian + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.397044
5 North_German + Ukrainian + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.403517
6 Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.415856
7 Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.416141
8 Belorussian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.420268
9 Danish + Polish + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.445588
10 Croatian + Danish + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 1.446850
11 East_Sicilian + Russian_Smolensk + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.459479
12 East_Sicilian + North_Dutch + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.470756
13 Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.491367
14 East_Sicilian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.493043
15 Estonian_Polish + Orcadian + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.493080
16 Hungarian + Hungarian + North_German + Tuscan @ 1.506524
17 East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.509553
18 Ashkenazi + Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 1.518932
19 East_German + Hungarian + North_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.524266
20 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.524837

Looks latin-slavic mix with minor germanic ancestry.

[gadele]

In those cases it is better just to accept the 4 populations model and not try to force fitting into one. for instance in this case: 1 Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.346698
You can consider that each quarter of your father is close to each of the four populations described. A quarter of him does not necessarily means visible traits. It could be the case has similarities only with 3 or two of these populations etc. Genetic admixture is not distributed evenly among the chromosomes, therefore, visible traits might not correspond to the 4 populations but only to 3 or 2 etc

[nittionia]

In those cases it is better just to accept the 4 populations model and not try to force fitting into one. for instance in this case: 1 Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.346698
You can consider that each quarter of your father is close to each of the four populations described. A quarter of him does not necessarily means visible traits. It could be the case has similarities only with 3 or two of these populations etc. Genetic admixture is not distributed evenly among the chromosomes, therefore, visible traits might not correspond to the 4 populations but only to 3 or 2 etc

The results above are Slavic Italian's, not my dads (: (his are in the OP + page 2)

[gadele]

The results above are Slavic Italian's, not my dads (: (his are in the OP + page 2)
ohh I am sorry. Anyway the suggestion is valid. Please consider the 4 populations that oracle is suggesting for him on page 2.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

What's ''East German'' anyways ? On gedmatch those are fake Saxons (actually Thuringians) from DDR but there are different kinds of East Germans.
Austria's name in German means Eastern Mark anyway, so they are east Germans too. Than you got Volga Germans, Danube Swabians, Transylvanian Saxons, Silesian and Sudeten Germans, Pommeranians, Prussians and East Prussians and other Baltic Germans and they aren't genetically homogenous.

Keep that in mind...

[Peterski]

What's ''East German'' anyways ?

This term applies to German groups which emerged after the 12th century as the result of German eastward settlement.

As opposed to West Germans in so called "Altdeutschland" (East Francia after 843 AD).

[Slavic Italian]

What's ''East German'' anyways ? On gedmatch those are fake Saxons (actually Thuringians) from DDR but there are different kinds of East Germans.
Austria's name in German means Eastern Mark anyway, so they are east Germans too. Than you got Volga Germans, Danube Swabians, Transylvanian Saxons, Silesian and Sudeten Germans, Pommeranians, Prussians and East Prussians and other Baltic Germans and they aren't genetically homogenous.

Keep that in mind...

The DDR was more Germanic than modern Germany.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The DDR was more Germanic than modern Germany.

Boy you escaped from medical institution or somethin' ? :icon_lol:

[Slavic Italian]

Boy you escaped from medical institution or somethin' ? :icon_lol:

Ask any of the Germans. They will tell you the same.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ask any of the Germans. They will tell you the same.

Nothing Germanic about Sovietic rule and besides East Germans are genetically almost half Slav.

[Luke35]

The bottom line with your dad is that he my look like a central European Germanic person on these calcs, but that is just a mid-point. He has mixed recent ancestry, I don't think its correct to call him an East German.

[nittionia]

The bottom line with your dad is that he my look like a central European Germanic person on these calcs, but that is just a mid-point. He has mixed recent ancestry, I don't think its correct to call him an East German.

I agree! Even though we have some actual German ancestry, he is mixed with other things that resulted in him plotting there.


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[Slavic Italian]

East Germans are genetically almost half Slav.

This is true but go watch one of their parades. Their traditions were German.

[nittionia]

I am pretty similar to my dad in eurogenes except he's more eastern and I'm more southern from my mom:
https://i.imgur.com/UGL0CJL.png