Comparing AncestryDNA, 23andMe with DNA.land

[Rædwald]

23andMe

https://i.postimg.cc/Dw3RCGDq/23andmednaland.png

AncestryDNA

https://i.postimg.cc/P5b90xs0/ancestrydnaland.png

Interesting that the 23andMe result gives me a higher Balkan read, and also a more specific Amerindian grouping. Although I don't think it's terribly accurate, it's interesting to look at.

[Coastal Elite]

The 10% gap between NW European on the tests is interesting. Funny how you got 24% Balkan with 23andMe result. I guess this suggests the raw data is pretty different between the two.

[War Chef]

The 10% gap between NW European on the tests is interesting. Funny how you got 24% Balkan with 23andMe result. I guess this suggests the raw data is pretty different between the two.

Yup. I guess they analyze different SNP's

I am actually awaiting my AncestryDNA results now. I hope it's worth it.

[War Chef]

AncestryDNA seems to be the winner in this case. As far as accuracy goes.

[Rædwald]

AncestryDNA seems to be the winner in this case. As far as accuracy goes.

It does, although I wish Ancestry would not have such broad groups. I hope that they address this in the future.

[Coastal Elite]

AncestryDNA seems to be the winner in this case. As far as accuracy goes.

I get the feeling that 23andme has a better calculator for their own results but AncestryDNA has better raw data. I'd like to here other peoples opinion on this.

[Luke35]

I uploaded both 23andMe and AncestryDNA to DNA.land as well - I ended up deleting the 23andMe because it seemed like the inferior result. Your Ancestry upload looks like the better one too, still, you really shouldn't be scoring any Balkan right? Seems like a case of the algorithm trying to find a fit for you, trying to get a balance of sorts much like how the Gedmatch Oracles work.

@Daco Celtic yes I am sure Ancestry has the better raw data. And I think 23andMe may have the more accurate calculator, but I despise their "Broadly" categories.

[Rædwald]

I uploaded to both 23andMe and AncestryDNA to DNA.land as well - I ended up deleting the 23andMe because it seemed like the inferior result. Your Ancestry upload looks like the better one too, still, you really shouldn't be scoring any Balkan right? Seems like a case of the algorithm trying to find a fit for you, trying to get a balance of sorts much like how the Gedmatch Oracles work.

@Daco Celtic yes I am sure Ancestry has the better raw data. And I think 23andMe may have the more accurate calculator, but I despise their "Broadly" categories.

That's a solid intepretation, I believe that's right. Perhaps as the databases will grow and lead to more accurate results. I've build a large portion of my family tree and I've yet to find any ancestors from the Balkans within the last 500 years anyway.

[Mingle]

I get the feeling that 23andme has a better calculator for their own results but AncestryDNA has better raw data. I'd like to here other peoples opinion on this.

Agree. 23andMe has bad raw data. FTDNA has the best followed by AncestryDNA. Next would be MyHeritage and then finally 23andMe.

[Rædwald]

23andMe MDLP K16

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent @ 3.546978
2 English_Cornwall @ 4.187610
3 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 5.166695
4 Irish_Ulster @ 5.268148
5 Irish_Connacht @ 5.476152
6 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 5.641509
7 French_WestFrance @ 5.898416
8 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 5.909124
9 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 5.950097
10 Irish_Leinster @ 5.999059
11 Scottish_Highlands @ 6.087489
12 Scottish_Grampian @ 6.354119
13 French_France @ 6.519945
14 Norwegian_Norwegia @ 6.548866
15 Scottish_Borders @ 6.594713
16 English_England @ 6.673910
17 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 6.679729
18 Icelandic_Iceland @ 6.760280
19 Irish_Munster @ 6.838386
20 Scottish_Fife @ 7.147018

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_SouthFrance +50% Latvian_Cesis_Cesis @ 3.102897


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian_Norwegia +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.400959


AncestryDNA MDLP K16

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent @ 2.156797
2 French_WestFrance @ 2.597937
3 Irish_Connacht @ 2.664269
4 English_Cornwall @ 2.821657
5 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.144947
6 Scottish_Grampian @ 3.288345
7 Irish_Ulster @ 3.345090
8 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 3.407657
9 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 3.500863
10 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 3.503110
11 Irish_Leinster @ 3.533886
12 Scottish_Borders @ 3.822843
13 Scottish_Fife @ 3.839535
14 English_England @ 3.841457
15 Irish_Munster @ 3.985523
16 French_France @ 4.401658
17 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 5.298478
18 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 5.400303
19 Welsh_Wales @ 5.699773
20 Dutch_Netherlands @ 5.923780

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent +50% French_WestFrance @ 1.813630


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent +25% German_Germany +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.594674

It's abundantly clear when you look at my GEDmatch, like Latvian? :lol:

[Rolfbart]

Here are dnaland results for me using Ancestry and 23andMe data. No clue about the Balkan and Sardinian percentages on the two tests.

ANCESTRY
85490

23ANDME
85491

[oszkar07]

23andMe

https://i.postimg.cc/Dw3RCGDq/23andmednaland.png

AncestryDNA

https://i.postimg.cc/P5b90xs0/ancestrydnaland.png

Interesting that the 23andMe result gives me a higher Balkan read, and also a more specific Amerindian grouping. Although I don't think it's terribly accurate, it's interesting to look at.

If your ancestry is at least 90% NW European , cant see how you could score more than 20% Balkan.

[oszkar07]

Agree. 23andMe has bad raw data. FTDNA has the best followed by AncestryDNA. Next would be MyHeritage and then finally 23andMe.

Agree FTDNA raw data pretty good but Im not big fan of their my origins calculator. From what ive seen of others results 23 and me looks better calc than My Origins I am awaiting my 23 and me results.

[Erronkari]

23andMe

https://i.postimg.cc/Dw3RCGDq/23andmednaland.png

AncestryDNA

https://i.postimg.cc/P5b90xs0/ancestrydnaland.png

Interesting that the 23andMe result gives me a higher Balkan read, and also a more specific Amerindian grouping. Although I don't think it's terribly accurate, it's interesting to look at.

Talking about the specifically calculator 23andme seems more accurate.
But talking about the Raw Data, it seems to be more accurate the Ancestry's than the 23andme v5 one by far.

[Mingle]

Agree FTDNA raw data pretty good but Im not big fan of their my origins calculator. From what ive seen of others results 23 and me looks better calc than My Origins I am awaiting my 23 and me results.

Possibly, but I don't see the point in comparing commercial results when stuff like GEDmatch exist.

[Luke35]

Possibly, but I don't see the point in comparing commercial results when stuff like GEDmatch exist.

I get what you are saying and I agree but there are exceptions. My kids have 3 major ancestries: Greek 50%. Hungarian 25%. German 25% (some Brit in there). The 3-way split on Eurogenes misses quite a bit for both of them. But Ancestry did comparatively well. For example, my son got 48% Greece and Balkans. 24% Germanic. 23% Eastern European. 5% Italy. My daughters was not as good but still better than her 3-way split on Gedmatch. Now of course we are limited to (1) 3-way split, if the calc provided the top twenty 3-way splits I'm sure that would help.

[Coastal Elite]

I get what you are saying and I agree but there are exceptions. My kids have have 3 major ancestries: Greek 50%. Hungarian 25%. German 25%. The 3-way split on Eurogenes misses quite a bit for both of them. But Ancestry did comparatively well. For example, my son got 48% Greece and Balkans. 24% Germanic. 23% Eastern European. 5% Italy. My daughters was not as good but still better than her 3-way split on Gedmatch. Now of course we are limited to (1) 3-way split, if the calc provided the 20 top 3-way fits I'm sure that would help.

Have you ever plotted their results on a PCA? It be interesting to see where that mix would plot

[Luke35]

Have you ever plotted their results on a PCA? It be interesting to see where that mix would plot

I did it on the K15 plot. I plot slightly north-west of Austria. My wife is just south of Central Greek. Both kids were about equidistant from my wife and I, along an imaginary line between Austria and Central Greek. It was exactly what you would expect.

[Luke35]

As I remember, that placed them a bit west of Romania/Bulgaria.

[Coastal Elite]

As I remember, that placed them a bit west of Romania/Bulgaria.

Yeah, I was thinking maybe Northern Italy but Romania and Bulgaria actually make more sense given the east shift of Hungary and Greece. I think the typical Romanians and Bulgarian is basically a Med - Slav mix. Once in a while they have a touch of German, more so in Romania.

[Luke35]

Yeah, I was thinking maybe Northern Italy but Romania and Bulgaria actually make more sense given the east shift of Hungary and Greece. I think the typical Romanians and Bulgarian is basically a Med - Slav mix. Once in a while they have a touch of German, more so in Romania.

I'm on my phone, not near my computer otherwise I would just re-plot them. But I just took a look at the K15 Plot and I think they were south of Romania, more on the level with Bulgaria but slightly to the west. And while they were not right on top of each other I remember they were really close.

[dududud]

Interesting!

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yup. I guess they analyze different SNP's

I am actually awaiting my AncestryDNA results now. I hope it's worth it.

It's worth it.