Chuvash,Mari,Mordvin Gedmatches

[Ryuk]

Do you have any gedmatch results of Chuvash, Mari and Mordvin?

I would be very happy if any.

[Proto-Shaman]

I don't know, but they have very good scores for ancient West_Eurasian samples.

[Lemgrant]

Kit number: T475721

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.58
2 Siberian 17.11
3 North_Atlantic 15.37
4 West_Asian 11.55
5 West_Med 5.46
6 Amerindian 2.9
7 East_Med 2.76
8 East_Asian 2.39
9 South_Asian 1.56
10 Sub-Saharan 0.3
11 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Chuvash 5.76
2 Tatar 6.64
3 Mari 11.9
4 Erzya 15.04
5 Kargopol_Russian 16.44
6 Southwest_Russian 19.95
7 East_Finnish 20.14
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.41
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.94
10 Ukrainian 21.32
11 Moldavian 22.27
12 Estonian_Polish 22.36
13 Russian_Smolensk 22.37
14 Finnish 22.43
15 South_Polish 22.8
16 Belorussian 23.23
17 Croatian 23.25
18 Polish 23.44
19 Estonian 24.11
20 Lithuanian 24.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.7% Chuvash + 14.3% Bulgarian @ 2.9
2 85.4% Chuvash + 14.6% Romanian @ 2.98
3 54.8% Chuvash + 45.2% Tatar @ 3.14
4 82.1% Chuvash + 17.9% Moldavian @ 3.15
5 88.4% Chuvash + 11.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.18
6 89.9% Chuvash + 10.1% Central_Greek @ 3.23
7 89.9% Chuvash + 10.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.27
8 85.2% Chuvash + 14.8% Serbian @ 3.29
9 90.8% Chuvash + 9.2% South_Italian @ 3.37
10 90.4% Chuvash + 9.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.43
11 90.2% Chuvash + 9.8% Tuscan @ 3.45
12 90% Chuvash + 10% North_Italian @ 3.46
13 90.6% Chuvash + 9.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.48
14 92.2% Chuvash + 7.8% Georgian @ 3.52
15 90.8% Chuvash + 9.2% Adygei @ 3.53
16 90.4% Chuvash + 9.6% Balkar @ 3.54
17 90.2% Chuvash + 9.8% Kumyk @ 3.56
18 90.1% Chuvash + 9.9% Kabardin @ 3.57
19 91.3% Chuvash + 8.7% Ossetian @ 3.59
20 83.7% Chuvash + 16.3% Croatian @ 3.62


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 32.2
2 Siberian 15.1
3 Baltic 14.75
4 North_Sea 13.09
5 Atlantic 8.34
6 West_Asian 7.56
7 Amerindian 2.43
8 West_Med 2.14
9 Southeast_Asian 2.11
10 South_Asian 1.22
11 East_Med 0.92
12 Sub-Saharan 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Chuvash 6.39
2 Tatar 9.34
3 Mari 13.19
4 Erzya 16.7
5 Kargopol_Russian 17.33
6 East_Finnish 18.73
7 Southwest_Russian 23.44
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 23.76
9 Finnish 23.85
10 Moldavian 25.07
11 Ukrainian 25.12
12 Russian_Smolensk 25.32
13 Estonian_Polish 25.47
14 South_Polish 25.73
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 25.8
16 Polish 25.99
17 Southwest_Finnish 26.11
18 Croatian 26.21
19 Estonian 26.22
20 Belorussian 26.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61% Chuvash + 39% Tatar @ 2.92
2 84.8% Chuvash + 15.2% Romanian @ 3.52
3 82.4% Chuvash + 17.6% Moldavian @ 3.56
4 85.5% Chuvash + 14.5% Bulgarian @ 3.58
5 89.9% Chuvash + 10.1% North_Ossetian @ 3.6
6 83.1% Chuvash + 16.9% Croatian @ 3.6
7 89.1% Chuvash + 10.9% Chechen @ 3.62
8 88.9% Chuvash + 11.1% Kabardin @ 3.65
9 89.7% Chuvash + 10.3% Adygei @ 3.68
10 89.2% Chuvash + 10.8% Balkar @ 3.7
11 84.5% Chuvash + 15.5% Austrian @ 3.73
12 84.5% Chuvash + 15.5% Serbian @ 3.79
13 90.2% Chuvash + 9.8% Ossetian @ 3.83
14 89% Chuvash + 11% Kumyk @ 3.85
15 91.3% Chuvash + 8.7% Georgian @ 3.9
16 89% Chuvash + 11% Lezgin @ 3.95
17 84.6% Chuvash + 15.4% Hungarian @ 3.95
18 91.8% Chuvash + 8.2% Abhkasian @ 3.98
19 88.9% Chuvash + 11.1% Tabassaran @ 4.06
20 83.8% Chuvash + 16.2% South_Polish @ 4.06

Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian 1.14
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.53
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.95
East_African -
East_Asian 1.08
East_Balkan 4.09
East_Central_Asian 0.15
East_Central_Euro 7.15
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 14.96
Fennoscandian 11.45
French 1.95
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 1.50
North_Caucasian 5.60
North_Sea 3.45
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 11.78
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.26
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 23.70
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.25
West_Med -

Similarity Map

https://i.imgur.com/qXlZStU.png
https://i.imgur.com/9eJU3i3.png
https://i.imgur.com/pnsdE9z.png

[Ryuk]

@Lemgrant

Which ethnicity this ?Chuvash??

[Lemgrant]

@Lemgrant

Which ethnicity this ?Chuvash??

Probably. I just found it from various lists on gedmatch.

[Proto-Shaman]

lists on gedmatch.
can I see this list too?

[Lemgrant]

can I see this list too?

'One-to-many' matches list of the kit number: M772972

[Proto-Shaman]

'One-to-many' matches list of the kit number: M772972
He looks more like Bashkir.

The first match is a Bashkir. The 6th is a match with an Armenian guy named Arsen with haplo R1b-Z2108*. The 9th match is again a Bashkir. Typical Bashkir-Caucasus R1b cluster.

[Lemgrant]

He looks more like Bashkir.

The first match is a Bashkir. The 6th is a match with an Armenian guy named Arsen with haplo R1b-Z2108*. The 9th match is again a Bashkir. Typical Bashkir-Caucasus R1b cluster.

If we go by this logic then I'm Ashkenazi.

my first match on gedmatch (not genesis) is Ashkenazi
5th match is half Ashkenazi
6th match is Ashkenazi/Italian Jewish
7th match is Ashkenazi/Italian Jewish
8th match is half Ashkenazi
10th match is Ashkenazi
...

Maybe I need to dna test my mother to see what is going on :icon_lol:

[Proto-Shaman]

If we go by this logic then I'm Ashkenazi...
I tried to find ancient Okunevo-like sample: I got an awesome match for a Hungarian guy with haplo R1b-U152. He is closely related to Turkic tribes. Amazing tool!

[Kaspias]

These people interestingly scores high amount of East_Siberian but not Tungus-Altaic.

There is a Chuvash i matched:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 43.91
2 Siberian 20.65
3 North_Atlantic 12.02
4 West_Asian 9.84
5 West_Med 3.93
6 East_Asian 3.63
7 Amerindian 2.04
8 South_Asian 1.83
9 Northeast_African 1.15
10 East_Med 0.92
11 Oceanian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Chuvash 3.78
2 Mari 8.3
3 Tatar 12.05
4 Erzya 17.66
5 Kargopol_Russian 19.6
6 East_Finnish 22.48
7 Southwest_Russian 23.96
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 24.5
9 Finnish 25.44
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 25.75
11 Ukrainian 25.87
12 Estonian_Polish 25.89
13 Russian_Smolensk 26.12
14 Belorussian 26.72
15 Estonian 27.14
16 Lithuanian 27.53
17 South_Polish 27.57
18 Polish 27.68
19 Moldavian 27.88
20 Croatian 28.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.7% Chuvash + 1.3% Xibo @ 3.67
2 98.8% Chuvash + 1.2% Hezhen @ 3.68
3 98.9% Chuvash + 1.1% Japanese @ 3.68
4 98.8% Chuvash + 1.2% Tu @ 3.68
5 97.8% Chuvash + 2.2% Hakas @ 3.68
6 99% Chuvash + 1% Naxi @ 3.68
7 99.1% Chuvash + 0.9% Tujia @ 3.69
8 98.6% Chuvash + 1.4% Buryat @ 3.69
9 99.1% Chuvash + 0.9% She @ 3.69
10 99% Chuvash + 1% Yizu @ 3.69
11 98.5% Chuvash + 1.5% Mongolian @ 3.69
12 99.1% Chuvash + 0.9% Miaozu @ 3.69
13 99.2% Chuvash + 0.8% Lahu @ 3.7
14 99.2% Chuvash + 0.8% Vietnamese @ 3.7
15 98.9% Chuvash + 1.1% Oroqen @ 3.7
16 98.6% Chuvash + 1.4% Tuvinian @ 3.7
17 98.2% Chuvash + 1.8% Hazara @ 3.71
18 99.3% Chuvash + 0.7% Dai @ 3.71
19 98.4% Chuvash + 1.6% Altaian @ 3.71
20 98.2% Chuvash + 1.8% Kazakh @ 3.71



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.09
2 Caucasian 19.45
3 East_Siberian 14.01
4 Ancestral_Altaic 12.62
5 Tungus-Altaic 6.56
6 South_Central_Asian 2.94
7 Paleo_Siberian 2.38
8 European_Early_Farmers 1.85
9 Arctic 1.62
10 South_East_Asian 0.98
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.37
12 Archaic_African 0.11
13 South_Indian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Chuvashs ( ) 3.05
2 Chuvash ( ) 4.27
3 Komi ( ) 5.73
4 Tatar ( ) 6.59
5 Tatar_Kryashen ( ) 7.42
6 Saami_Kola ( ) 7.51
7 Tatar_Mishar ( ) 9.81
8 Russian-Ural ( ) 10.4
9 Mari ( ) 10.51
10 Karelian ( ) 10.67
11 Vepsa ( ) 10.92
12 Bashkir ( ) 11.67
13 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 11.79
14 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 12.2
15 Finn ( ) 12.36
16 Finn_East ( ) 12.54
17 Russian-North ( ) 12.66
18 Finnish-East ( ) 12.85
19 Finnish_FIN ( ) 13.18
20 Saami_Finland ( ) 14.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.2% Chuvash ( ) + 16.8% Crimean_Tatar_Step ( ) @ 2.57
2 70.6% Chuvashs ( ) + 29.4% Chuvash ( ) @ 2.72
3 81.7% Chuvash ( ) + 18.3% Tatar_Lithuania ( ) @ 2.81
4 93.8% Chuvashs ( ) + 6.2% Yukagir_Forest ( ) @ 2.83
5 69.3% Saami_Finland ( ) + 30.7% Nogai ( ) @ 2.88
6 88.4% Chuvashs ( ) + 11.6% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 2.91
7 98.6% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.4% Ulchi ( ) @ 2.93
8 97.4% Chuvashs ( ) + 2.6% Even ( ) @ 2.93
9 98.7% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.3% Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus ( ) @ 2.96
10 98.7% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.3% Oroqen ( ) @ 2.97
11 98.6% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.4% Buryat ( ) @ 2.97
12 98.8% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.2% Yakut ( ) @ 2.97
13 98.9% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.1% Evenk ( ) @ 2.97
14 98.3% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.7% Yukagir_Tundra ( ) @ 2.97
15 91.1% Chuvashs ( ) + 8.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) @ 2.98
16 98.8% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.2% Dolgan ( ) @ 2.98
17 93.9% Chuvashs ( ) + 6.1% Mari ( ) @ 2.98
18 98.6% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.4% Tuvinian ( ) @ 2.98
19 98.9% Chuvashs ( ) + 1.1% Daur ( ) @ 2.99
20 99% Chuvashs ( ) + 1% Hezhen ( ) @ 2.99


Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 46.22
2 Siberian 19.11
3 Atlantic_Med 11.5
4 Caucasus 7.85
5 East_Asian 6.87
6 Gedrosia 6.77
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Southwest_Asian 0.24
9 Southeast_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Chuvashs (Behar) 8.6
2 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.83
3 Russian (HGDP) 23.08
4 Hungarians (Behar) 26.78
5 Russian (Dodecad) 26.81
6 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 27.48
7 Russian_B (Behar) 27.63
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 27.64
9 Polish (Dodecad) 28.92
10 German (Dodecad) 29.71
11 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 30.19
12 Belorussian (Behar) 30.57
13 Swedish (Dodecad) 31.21
14 Finnish (Dodecad) 32.03
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 32.57
16 Romanians (Behar) 32.58
17 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 33.47
18 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 33.52
19 Dutch (Dodecad) 33.92
20 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 33.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.7% Chuvashs (Behar) + 9.3% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 5.15
2 90% Chuvashs (Behar) + 10% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 5.33
3 88.4% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.6% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.36
4 88.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.7% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 5.37
5 88.1% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.9% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.43
6 88.6% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.4% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 5.44
7 87.9% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 5.46
8 87.5% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 5.47
9 88.5% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.5% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 5.47
10 88.1% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.9% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 5.48
11 91.8% Chuvashs (Behar) + 8.2% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 5.48
12 87.5% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 5.5
13 88% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 5.53
14 88.4% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.6% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 5.54
15 87% Chuvashs (Behar) + 13% Hazara (HGDP) @ 5.54
16 88.2% Chuvashs (Behar) + 11.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 5.54
17 87.9% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12.1% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 5.56
18 87.6% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 5.63
19 88% Chuvashs (Behar) + 12% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.68
20 84.7% Chuvashs (Behar) + 15.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.78

[Leto]

He looks more like Bashkir.

The first match is a Bashkir. The 6th is a match with an Armenian guy named Arsen with haplo R1b-Z2108*. The 9th match is again a Bashkir. Typical Bashkir-Caucasus R1b cluster.
Bashkirs are different from Chuvash, they are around 40% mongoloid, Chuvash are around 25%, some even less.

[Leto]

These people interestingly scores high amount of East_Siberian but not Tungus-Altaic.

At least half of their mongoloid is pre-Turkic or pre-Golden Horde. Probably even most of it.

[Leto]

Bulgars founded Bulgaria but how much Mongoloid do modern Bulgarians have? 1-3% or so. The similar amount is in Hungary (Magyars were from the Urals).

[Roy]

Bulgars founded Bulgaria but how much Mongoloid do modern Bulgarians have? 1-3% or so. The similar amount is in Hungary (Magyars were from the Urals).

3% has to be too much. Somehow though some Hungarians especially Szeklers display Mongoloid features, can it be some atavism / offshoot feature that randomly springs up even because of some minor DNA of this sort?

[Ryuk]

At least half of their mongoloid is pre-Turkic or pre-Golden Horde. Probably even most of it.

If about half of the mongoloid component came from the Turkic raids after the Oghurs or Golden Horde, they would have carried more Tungus-Altaic compound.

[Leto]

3% has to be too much. Somehow though some Hungarians especially Szeklers display Mongoloid features, can it be some atavism / offshoot feature that randomly springs up even because of some minor DNA of this sort?
That amount of mongoloid can be frequently found all over Eastern and Central-Eastern Europe. Poles sometimes score 1-2% Siberian, Romanians even more frequently. Serbs do to. It's not like mongoloid traces start to appear only where Russian is spoken (Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, etc.).

[Leto]

If about half of the mongoloid component came from the Turkic raids after the Oghurs or Golden Horde, they would have carried more Tungus-Altaic compound.
Well, modern Volga Tatars have a lot of local Finno-Ugric/Volgaic blood. All of those blonde, blue eyed Tatars. Not to mention haplogroups (90+% are not associated with the Mongols).

[Roy]

That amount of mongoloid can be frequently found all over Eastern and Central-Eastern Europe. Poles sometimes score 1-2% Siberian, Romanians even more frequently. Serbs do to. It's not like mongoloid traces start to appear only where Russian is spoken (Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, etc.).

According to which study / method / company being used? The last time I checked there were no Polish samples with anything above 1%. I'd take these reasons with a pinch of salt in any case.

[Leto]

According to which study / method / company being used? The last time I checked there were no Polish samples with anything above 1%. I'd take these reasons with a pinch of salt in any case.
GEDmatch. Peterski gave me lots of Polish kits once. It's not like I've seen only 2-3 persons.

[Karkurdu]

It is hard to distinguish Finno-Ugric elements from Turkic elements among Idel-Ural Turkic peoples. Finno-Ugric people have Turkic admixture too, especially Maris influenced by Turkic peoples a lot. Since there is no mediveal Bulgar and proper Golden Horde Kipchak samples from the region either, we can only come up with speculations so far.

[Ryuk]

Well, modern Volga Tatars have a lot of local Finno-Ugric/Volgaic blood. All of those blonde, blue eyed Tatars. Not to mention haplogroups (90+% are not associated with the Mongols).

Phenotypes have nothing with autosomal genetics.
Also before kypchak migration,most of Tataristan and Bashkirtistan populated by Oghuric folk.Still there are Chuvash pockets in those areas,and Tatar and Bashkir languages have Oghuric substrata.

https://s1.eksiup.com/ee6da6371160.png (https://eksiup.com/ee6da6371160)

[Roy]

GEDmatch. Peterski gave me lots of Polish kits once. It's not like I've seen only 2-3 persons.


Eupedia shows something like this, obviously it can be some old data.

https://i.imgur.com/OeGgw9A.gif

As in this revised version it differs. But it's a haplogroup Q so it isn't autosomal data ...

https://i.imgur.com/hpNVjlO.jpg

[Leto]

Phenotypes have nothing with autosomal genetics.]
I wouldn't go that far as to say nothing to do with genetics. Of course they do.

[Leto]

It is hard to distinguish Finno-Ugric elements from Turkic elements among Idel-Ural Turkic peoples. Finno-Ugric people have Turkic admixture too, especially Maris influenced by Turkic peoples a lot. Since there is no mediveal Bulgar and proper Golden Horde Kipchak samples from the region either, we can only come up with speculations so far.
The Mari are mostly N + R1a and occasionally I, they have little to no C or O. I doubt Turkic people would have assimilated into Finno-Ugric groups, usually the opposite was the case.

[Karkurdu]

The Mari are mostly N + R1a and occasionally I, they have little to no C or O. I doubt Turkic people would have assimilated into Finno-Ugric groups, usually the opposite was the case.

Haplogroups cannot tell much in that regard. All these HGs are found among Turkic peoples too. I didn't say Maris were "assimilated" Turkic people, they seem to be mixed by them a lot and culturally effected too.

[Peterski]

GEDmatch. Peterski gave me lots of Polish kits once. It's not like I've seen only 2-3 persons.

Here is a Southern Polish (Małopolska) person with GEDCOM who is partially Gypsy, Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.22
2 North_Atlantic 26.99
3 West_Med 10.24
4 West_Asian 9.65
5 South_Asian 8.86
6 East_Med 6.8
7 Siberian 1.83
8 Red_Sea 1.51
9 Oceanian 0.99
10 Amerindian 0.8
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.97
2 Croatian 9.29
3 Hungarian 9.72
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.33
5 South_Polish 12.07
6 East_German 12.37
7 Austrian 12.66
8 Serbian 12.75
9 Ukrainian 12.85
10 Polish 14.83
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.36
12 Southwest_Russian 15.38
13 Romanian 15.54
14 Russian_Smolensk 16.52
15 Estonian_Polish 17.3
16 Kargopol_Russian 17.53
17 Bulgarian 17.82
18 Belorussian 17.86
19 Tatar 17.92
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Brahmin_UP @ 3.71
2 86.9% Croatian + 13.1% Kshatriya @ 3.92
3 87% Croatian + 13% Gujarati @ 3.95
4 88.2% Croatian + 11.8% Kanjar @ 4.04
5 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Kurumba @ 4.05
6 88.4% Croatian + 11.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.07
7 88.1% Croatian + 11.9% Dharkar @ 4.12
8 89.4% Croatian + 10.6% Piramalai @ 4.14
9 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% North_Kannadi @ 4.15
10 89% Croatian + 11% Velamas @ 4.17
11 88.7% Croatian + 11.3% Kol @ 4.17
12 89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Dusadh @ 4.23
13 87.3% Croatian + 12.7% Bangladeshi @ 4.24
14 89.5% Croatian + 10.5% Chamar @ 4.26
15 89.7% Croatian + 10.3% Sakilli @ 4.29
16 89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Chenchu @ 4.33
17 82.5% South_Polish + 17.5% Sindhi @ 4.36
18 85% Croatian + 15% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.45
19 86.6% Hungarian + 13.4% Kshatriya @ 4.47
20 82.2% South_Polish + 17.8% Brahmin_UP @ 4.48

[Leto]

Here is a Southern Polish (Małopolska) person with GEDCOM who is partially Gypsy, Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.22
2 North_Atlantic 26.99
3 West_Med 10.24
4 West_Asian 9.65
5 South_Asian 8.86
6 East_Med 6.8
7 Siberian 1.83
8 Red_Sea 1.51
9 Oceanian 0.99
10 Amerindian 0.8
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.97
2 Croatian 9.29
3 Hungarian 9.72
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.33
5 South_Polish 12.07
6 East_German 12.37
7 Austrian 12.66
8 Serbian 12.75
9 Ukrainian 12.85
10 Polish 14.83
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.36
12 Southwest_Russian 15.38
13 Romanian 15.54
14 Russian_Smolensk 16.52
15 Estonian_Polish 17.3
16 Kargopol_Russian 17.53
17 Bulgarian 17.82
18 Belorussian 17.86
19 Tatar 17.92
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Brahmin_UP @ 3.71
2 86.9% Croatian + 13.1% Kshatriya @ 3.92
3 87% Croatian + 13% Gujarati @ 3.95
4 88.2% Croatian + 11.8% Kanjar @ 4.04
5 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Kurumba @ 4.05
6 88.4% Croatian + 11.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.07
7 88.1% Croatian + 11.9% Dharkar @ 4.12
8 89.4% Croatian + 10.6% Piramalai @ 4.14
9 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% North_Kannadi @ 4.15
10 89% Croatian + 11% Velamas @ 4.17
11 88.7% Croatian + 11.3% Kol @ 4.17
12 89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Dusadh @ 4.23
13 87.3% Croatian + 12.7% Bangladeshi @ 4.24
14 89.5% Croatian + 10.5% Chamar @ 4.26
15 89.7% Croatian + 10.3% Sakilli @ 4.29
16 89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Chenchu @ 4.33
17 82.5% South_Polish + 17.5% Sindhi @ 4.36
18 85% Croatian + 15% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.45
19 86.6% Hungarian + 13.4% Kshatriya @ 4.47
20 82.2% South_Polish + 17.8% Brahmin_UP @ 4.48
And how much S-Indian on HarappaWorld?

[Leto]

Haplogroups cannot tell much in that regard. All these HGs are found among Turkic peoples too. I didn't say Maris were "assimilated" Turkic people, they seem to be mixed by them a lot and culturally effected too.
Well, Turkic peoples can be almost everything. Kumyks are also Turkic speakers, yet they are almost entirely (~95%) North Caucasian.

[Peterski]

And how much S-Indian on HarappaWorld?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 43.79
2 Mediterranean 20.76
3 Caucasian 12.72
4 Baloch 11.4
5 S-Indian 6.48
6 SW-Asian 2.06
7 Siberian 1.13
8 Papuan 0.69
9 Beringian 0.6
10 SE-Asian 0.35
11 American 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 9.09
2 slovenian (xing) 9.79
3 n-european (xing) 14.29
4 ukranian (yunusbayev) 15.34
5 utahn-white (hapmap) 15.46
6 utahn-white (1000genomes) 15.54
7 romanian-a (behar) 15.57
8 french (hgdp) 16.33
9 british (1000genomes) 17.15
10 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 17.98
11 orcadian (hgdp) 18.49
12 mordovian (yunusbayev) 19.28
13 belorussian (behar) 20.86
14 russian (behar) 21.4
15 russian (hgdp) 22.71
16 chuvash (behar) 22.91
17 italian (hgdp) 23.69
18 spaniard (behar) 25.66
19 spaniard (1000genomes) 26.72
20 tuscan (hapmap) 26.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% hungarian (behar) + 14.7% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 1.1
2 85.8% hungarian (behar) + 14.2% vaish (reich) @ 1.13
3 85.1% hungarian (behar) + 14.9% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.15
4 86.2% hungarian (behar) + 13.8% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 1.19
5 85.3% hungarian (behar) + 14.7% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.23
6 86.6% hungarian (behar) + 13.4% meghawal (reich) @ 1.24
7 86.4% hungarian (behar) + 13.6% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 1.27
8 86.7% hungarian (behar) + 13.3% gujarati (harappa) @ 1.27
9 86.8% hungarian (behar) + 13.2% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.27
10 88.2% hungarian (behar) + 11.8% gujarati-a (hapmap) @ 1.32
11 86.9% hungarian (behar) + 13.1% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 1.34
12 86.9% hungarian (behar) + 13.1% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.35
13 86.4% hungarian (behar) + 13.6% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.36
14 86.6% hungarian (behar) + 13.4% maharashtrian (harappa) @ 1.36
15 88.1% hungarian (behar) + 11.9% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 1.38
16 86.9% hungarian (behar) + 13.1% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 1.41
17 87.2% hungarian (behar) + 12.8% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 1.41
18 88.4% hungarian (behar) + 11.6% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 1.42
19 87.3% hungarian (behar) + 12.7% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) @ 1.43
20 85.8% hungarian (behar) + 14.2% bihari-muslim (harappa) @ 1.43

[Karkurdu]

Well, Turkic peoples can be almost everything. Kumyk are also Turkic speakers, yet they are almost entirely (~95%) North Caucasian.

The HGs you mentioned are even found among Gokturk samples. Appearently it goes lot before the migration to the west.

Same goes for native Caucasians. Chechens can score 4-5% East Euriasan. This brings Kumyks, Balkars and etc. closer to them. This doesn't mean they are genetically 95% Native or something. That's an exaggeration.

[Leto]

The HGs you mentioned are even found among Gokturk samples. Appearently it goes lot before the migration to the west.

Same goes for native Caucasians. Chechens can score 4-5% East Euriasan. This brings Kumyks, Balkars and etc. closer to them. This doesn't mean they are genetically 95% Native or something. That's an exaggeration.
The Göktürk samples were less than 50% East Eurasian. As if they were almost half European.

[Karkurdu]

The Göktürk samples were less than 50% East Eurasian. As if they were almost half European.

Same applies to all mediveal Turkic peoples. Even Bronze age Siberian cultures like Okunevo were not fully Mongoloid. The existence of Western Eurasian HGs among Turkic peoples are probably thousands of years old. You shouldn't be so quick to call all of it result of "recent" mixing with natives.

[Leto]

Same applies to all mediveal Turkic peoples. Even Bronze age Siberian cultures like Okunevo were not fully Mongoloid. The existence of Western Eurasian HGs among Turkic peoples are probably thousands of years old. You shouldn't be so quick to call all of it result of "recent" mixing with natives.
Yes, I agree. Medieval Pechenegs and Cumans were even described as white or light-haired.

[Proto-Shaman]

The Göktürk samples were less than 50% East Eurasian. As if they were almost half European.
Euro K15. As if they spoke two different languages. But they didn't. They belonged to one and the same ethnocultural sphere.
https://i.imgur.com/WeRMj14.png

[Mingle]

Bulgars founded Bulgaria but how much Mongoloid do modern Bulgarians have? 1-3% or so. The similar amount is in Hungary (Magyars were from the Urals).

They get a bit less than 1% East Eurasian on the Eurogenes spreadsheet.

[Blondie]

3% has to be too much. Somehow though some Hungarians especially Szeklers display Mongoloid features, can it be some atavism / offshoot feature that randomly springs up even because of some minor DNA of this sort?

Genetic and phenotype are two different thing. For example Nato has a little bit turanid phenotype and his genetic is 100% european.

[Roy]

Genetic and phenotype are two different thing. For example Nato has a little bit turanid phenotype and his genetic is 100% european.

He does not have any Turanid in his phenotype.

[Blondie]

He does not have any Turanid in his phenotype.

He has small eyes.

[Roy]

He has small eyes.

And? So do I (quite so). It is not Turanid on its own (he has hooded eyelids).

[Rgvgjhvv]

He has small eyes.

Lol

[Blondie]

And? So do I (quite so). It is not Turanid on its own (he has hooded eyelids).

This is what i said, hooded eyes not necessarily mean asian ancestry or something.