Is Subnordid an Alpine phenotype?

[Regnera]

Many people have been classified as "Sub-Nordid" looks just blond-haired and blue eyed Alpines to me,these "Subnordids" have fair skin,blond hair and light eyes,but their facial features are mainly Alpine.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No subnordid is half Nordic half Alpinid. What you describe is just lighter than average alpine. And pure alpines aren't even dark by pigmentation but medium.

[Blondie]

Many people have been classified as "Sub-Nordid" looks just blond-haired and blue eyed to me,

Yes because of nordid admixture :D Subnordid is a mixed type, just like Norid, Brunn, Keltic-Nordid, East Baltid, Ladogan, Neo Danubian etc etc... The Subnordid facetype is not alpinid (not round skull) but between long and round skull.

Typical Subnordid:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8cc53fece6ff616d1c834e46ba630303.webp

[Regnera]

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[Joso]

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Subnordid is alpine+nordid.

[Joso]

Yes because of nordid admixture :D Subnordid is a mixed type, just like Norid, Brunn, Keltic-Nordid, East Baltid, Ladogan, Neo Danubian etc etc... The Subnordid facetype is not alpinid (not round skull) but between long and round skull.

Typical Subnordid:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8cc53fece6ff616d1c834e46ba630303.webp

How is brunn mixed?

[kiko]

Sub-Nordid is a Alpinized Nordic type.

[bimf]

Anything between nordid and alpinid can be called subnordid. Normally its harder to distinguish nordid with subnordid(especially the ones heavily towards nordid) than alpinid with subnordid since alpinid is very round-faced and dark pigmented while subnordid often has long oval face with lighter pigmentation.

Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between nordo-baltid and subnordid as well since both are mixed types of nordid and sth else, and the "sth else"(baltid and alpinid) are actually quite alike without the consideration of pigmentation.

[bimf]

Yes because of nordid admixture :D Subnordid is a mixed type, just like Norid, Brunn, Keltic-Nordid, East Baltid, Ladogan, Neo Danubian etc etc... The Subnordid facetype is not alpinid (not round skull) but between long and round skull.

Typical Subnordid:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8cc53fece6ff616d1c834e46ba630303.webp
This is a good example to prove what I said that sometimes its hard to distinguish nordo-baltid with subnordid. She looks very baltic to me, and if she's from northern ee or scandinavia I'm sure many people would classify her as nordid+baltid.

[Blondie]

How is brunn mixed?

I think alpinid-atlantid but mybe i am wrong.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

This is a good example to prove what I said that sometimes its hard to distinguish nordo-baltid with subnordid. She looks very baltic to me, and if she's from northern ee or scandinavia I'm sure many people would classify her as nordid+baltid.

She was Croatian and Austrian.

[Blondie]

This is a good example to prove what I said that sometimes its hard to distinguish nordo-baltid with subnordid. She looks very baltic to me, and if she's from northern ee or scandinavia I'm sure many people would classify her as nordid+baltid.

Her face is not baltid, btw baltid type is already nordid admixed.

[Dorian]

It's a matter of perspective ,others say it's alpinized nordic ,I say it's nordicized alpine...

[bimf]

Her face is not baltid, btw baltid type is already nordid admixed.

Nah, pure baltid is a reduce cm type just like alpinid, nothing about nordid:

https://i.imgur.com/OAru5Rr.jpg

Pure baltid's face is very round, short and wide, its just very rare to find pure baltid nowadays since most of them are mixed with certain amounts of nordid or other types
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I know there are still some differences between these two types, but honestly the lady you post can easily pass in baltic states. She looks like this latvian model except for the hair colour:

https://i.imgur.com/a20H6rr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eYm3mtA.jpg

[Blondie]

https://i.imgur.com/eYm3mtA.jpg

This girl is subnordid not baltid.

[bimf]

https://i.imgur.com/eYm3mtA.jpg

This girl is subnordid not baltid.

But like 90 percents of people here and of other forums classify her as baltid/nordo-baltid include myself. I think the reason is that when alpinid and baltid both are heavily influenced by nordid, they can be very alike since both of them are just softened nordid. However most of the time the nordid influence wont be that great, so there are still some differences between these two mixed types.

Lets forget about what is what, at least these two mixed types can be very hard to distinguish sometimes, right?

[Swept Under]

Nah, pure baltid is a reduce cm type just like alpinid, nothing about nordid:

https://i.imgur.com/OAru5Rr.jpg

Pure baltid's face is very round, short and wide, its just very rare to find pure baltid nowadays since most of them are mixed with certain amounts of nordid or other types
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I know there are still some differences between these two types, but honestly the lady you post can easily pass in baltic states. She looks like this latvian model except for the hair colour:

https://i.imgur.com/a20H6rr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eYm3mtA.jpg

She fits in East Baltic spectrum. Most of Latvians belong to that type.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe073.jpg

[Knight Slayer]

Denikers Sub-Northern.

[Veslan]

Nah, pure baltid is a reduce cm type just like alpinid, nothing about nordid:
If it were the case, they would be exclusively euryprosopic and at least mesorrhine, not even mentioning such traits such as strong browridges (which are absent in them). "Baltids" with narrow/straight noses and at least mesoprosopic faces are obviously Nordic influenced.

[Papastratosels26]

Nordid mixed with Alpine

[Columella]

Sub Nordic, means essentially not fully Nordic.
In French anthropology is closer to a Noric or KN
Here the original Sub Nordique from Montandon
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/montandonsubnord.jpg.

[bimf]

If it were the case, they would be exclusively euryprosopic and at least mesorrhine, not even mentioning such traits such as strong browridges (which are absent in them). "Baltids" with narrow/straight noses and at least mesoprosopic faces are obviously Nordic influenced.
1. Sure baltid face is longer and narrower on average than other cm faces, but that doesnt mean they are influenced by nordid. The reason of that is baltid is a fully reduced cm types while other cm types are either partially reduced or unreduced, check my image again:

https://i.imgur.com/OAru5Rr.jpg

Baltid examples from SNPA, you can see these faces are still quite short and wide:

https://i.imgur.com/TZXKRMs.png

2. Baltid type does have narrow and straight nose, but so does other cm types, even though they are not as reduced as baltid.
Faelid:"The nose is relatively short, yet thin (meso- to leptorrhine), and often protrusive."
(https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-dalofalid.htm)
Borreby:" The nose profile is straight in about 5/6 of cases, and concave in the remainder; convexity is not common. The nose form is meso- to leptorrhine." (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-borreby.html)

3. Their browridges are sure not as strong as other CMs, but still quite heavy:
"...and the browridges tend towards heaviness in a typically Cro-Magnoid fashion. "
(https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-baltid.htm)
And the reason of this is same as the first one: they are fully reduced, more reduced than other CMs.

[Veslan]

1. Sure baltid face is longer and narrower on average than other cm faces, but that doesnt mean they are influenced by nordid. The reason of that is baltid is a fully reduced cm types while other cm types are either partially reduced or unreduced, check my image again:

https://i.imgur.com/OAru5Rr.jpg

Baltid examples from SNPA, you can see these faces are still quite short and wide:

https://i.imgur.com/TZXKRMs.png

2. Baltid type does have narrow and straight nose, but so does other cm types, even though they are not as reduced as baltid.
Faelid:"The nose is relatively short, yet thin (meso- to leptorrhine), and often protrusive."
(https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-dalofalid.htm)
Borreby:" The nose profile is straight in about 5/6 of cases, and concave in the remainder; convexity is not common. The nose form is meso- to leptorrhine." (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-borreby.html)

3. Their browridges are sure not as strong as other CMs, but still quite heavy:
"...and the browridges tend towards heaviness in a typically Cro-Magnoid fashion. "
(https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-baltid.htm)
And the reason of this is same as the first one: they are fully reduced, more reduced than other CMs.

"Baltid" proper is an internet invention, that even got removed from humanphenotypes.net (the site SNPA was based on). The type you are talking about is perhaps Eickstedt's Osteuropid. Semantics are important here, because the so-called "Baltid" on TA includes pretty much everything short-skulled and light pigmented unless it appears west of Elbe river.

1. The only leptoprosopic "CM" variety is Brunn, but it was pretty much absent in Early Slavs (unlike Nordic and predominantly Nordic types).
2. Leptorrhine noses only occur when they are close to the mesorrhine range (short, but also narrow). But many "Baltids" do have noses much more narrow and long than any real CM, as an example the last four used on SNPA gallery.
3. "Baltids" are fully reduced? Then what is Paul von Hindenburg, a man who was nearly 2 meters tall doing in the gallery? Full reduction is not just having a shorter skull.

[Bogdan]

Somewhere between Nordid and Alpinid.

[bimf]

"Baltid" proper is an internet invention, that even got removed from humanphenotypes.net (the site SNPA was based on). The type you are talking about is perhaps Eickstedt's Osteuropid. Semantics are important here, because the so-called "Baltid" on TA includes pretty much everything short-skulled and light pigmented unless it appears west of Elbe river.

1. The only leptoprosopic "CM" variety is Brunn, but it was pretty much absent in Early Slavs (unlike Nordic and predominantly Nordic types).
2. Leptorrhine noses only occur when they are close to the mesorrhine range (short, but also narrow). But many "Baltids" do have noses much more narrow and long than any real CM, as an example the last four used on SNPA gallery.
3. "Baltids" are fully reduced? Then what is Paul von Hindenburg, a man who was nearly 2 meters tall doing in the gallery? Full reduction is not just having a shorter skull.
1. Never said anything about cm types being leptoprosopic though.
2. Interesting points.
3. I think you can find many kinds of exceptions in many types given enough number of examples.
If ""Baltid" proper is an internet invention," what are the major types in northern east european countries in your opinion? Is Eickstedt's Osteuropid the east baltid? Then what about west baltid.
If you dont mind, how would you classify the girl I post above?
https://i.imgur.com/10CQcXJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eYm3mtA.jpg

[Pigling]

What's difference between Sub-Nordid and Neo-Danubian?

[Swept Under]

What's difference between Sub-Nordid and Neo-Danubian?

Coon stated that Deniker's Sub-Nordic type had overlap with his East Baltic and Neo-Danubian types.


SUB-NORDIC. Deniker’s name for a racial group which would fall partly in the East Baltic and partly in the Neo-Danubian categories of the present book. See p. 283.


Neo-Danubians from Coon.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe311.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe312.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe313.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe314.jpg

[gianmarioricco1]

Subnordid is just a fat Nordid.
Like that 5 foot manlet on reddit who wanted to get laid by lady boys in Thailand or some weird shit like that.

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[gianmarioricco1]

I feel like i'm an excellent example, i have the nordic nose bump, the occipital bun, the deep philtrum, the almond shaped eyes, the tall forehead, the leptomorphic body type, except i have an ugly moon face and a pot belly, it is what it is, i'm an halfbreed piece of garbage.

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[Septentrion]

What's difference between Sub-Nordid and Neo-Danubian?

Come on! In the Sub-Nordid, you have a mixture between the Nordid of Nothern Europe with the Alpinid of Western or Central Europe. In the Neo - Danubian, you have the Nordid mixture usually with the Ladogan of Northeastern Europe. It is a big difference.

[gianmarioricco1]

Come on! In the Sub-Nordid, you have a mixture between the Nordid of Nothern Europe with the Alpinid of Western or Central Europe. In the Neo - Danubian, you have the Nordid mixture usually with the Ladogan of Northeastern Europe. It is a big difference.You think i'm textbook Subnordid? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210827/c40a5833efe2631d2deb82a820e00441.jpg

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