Are Armenians Assyrians Under the Hood?

[Karkurdu]

I did some modelling with Armenian average on G25 nMonte and I'm pretty shocked by the results.

Assyrian 65.83
Georgian Laz 34.17
Yamnaya Samara 0

https://scontent.fbtz1-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/52861831_2319702118270570_8445456028216066048_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtz1-4.fna&oh=4ebce119e818d9ba47395feb16433cff&oe=5CE13DC2

Also made a chart with Dodecad K12b ADMIXTURE results. They are almost indistinguishable from Assyrians, and as the modelling suggested, Armenians score 0% Yamnaya. Pretty interesting for an Indo-European speaking population.


https://abload.de/img/12326kn8.png?fbclid=IwAR3659tT2Zu0q0IepujmQXyONGRN pYjlvl44yDs6-vxkTCoBaCaF1nx6EIQ

Also here is the oracle results of Armenian_West (Based on MDLP K23b)

Single Population Approximation List:

1. Armenian_West @0
2. Armenian_East @ 3,323552
3. Assyrian @ 5,75219
4. Greek_Pontus @ 6,230256
5. Turk_Trabzon @ 7,263525
6. Greek_Cappadocia @ 8,898702
7. Nusayri_Turkey @ 9,168207
8. Turkmen_Iraq @ 10,202471
9. Zaza @ 10,470187
10. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 11,122353
11. Laz @ 11,139598
12. Lebanese_Muslim @ 11,63411
13. Lebanese_Christian @ 11,636793
14. Kurd_Kurmanji @ 12,195433
15. Azerbaijani @ 12,317817
16. Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 12,474214
17. Georgian_Adjara @ 12,649951
18. Azerbaijani_Iran @ 12,682689
19. Greek_Cyprus @ 12,817423
20. Kurd_Sorani @ 12,915573
21. Kura_Araxes_Bronze_Age @ 13,058754
22. Lebanese @ 13,229551
23. Iran_Iron_Age_F38 @ 14,201845
24. Turk_Anatolia @ 14,713522
25. Samaritan @ 15,599191
26. Lur_Iran @ 15,686409
27. Greek_Dodecanese @ 15,693324
28. Georgian_Mingrelian @ 16,248422
29. Georgian_Gurian @ 16,249139
30. Circassian @ 16,619449


2-Population Approximation List:

1. %52 Assyrian + %48 Greek_Pontus @ 1,433952
2. %56 Assyrian + %44 Turk_Trabzon @ 1,884464
3. %82 Armenian_East + %18 Lebanese_Christian @ 2,187108
4. %47 Kura_Araxes_Bronze_Age + %53 Lebanese_Christian @ 2,313281
5. %87 Armenian_East + %13 Samaritan @ 2,444841
6. %80 Armenian_East + %20 Nusayri_Turkey @ 2,459445
7. %94 Armenian_East + %6 Minoan_Bronze_Age @ 2,553416
8. %94 Armenian_East + %6 Levant_Bronze_Age_I1706 @ 2,571737
9. %86 Armenian_East + %14 Greek_Cyprus @ 2,591789
10. %6 Anatolia_Hattian_Period + %94 Armenian_East @ 2,634486
11. %7 Anatolia_Hittite_Period + %93 Armenian_East @ 2,715507
12. %73 Armenian_East + %27 Assyrian @ 2,753817
13. %87 Armenian_East + %13 Lebanese @ 2,754993
14. %93 Armenian_East + %7 Tunisian_Jew @ 2,75805
15. %86 Armenian_East + %14 Lebanese_Muslim @ 2,758295
16. %48 Georgian_Adjara + %52 Lebanese_Christian @ 2,803678
17. %95 Armenian_East + %5 Yemenite_Jew @ 2,807035
18. %92 Armenian_East + %8 Palestinian @ 2,81838
19. %41 Georgian_Adjara + %59 Nusayri_Turkey @ 2,859497
20. %93 Armenian_East + %7 Italian_Jew @ 2,903139
21. %93 Armenian_East + %7 Sephardic_Jew @ 2,904559
22. %94 Armenian_East + %6 Moroccan_Jew @ 2,922234
23. %84 Armenian_East + %16 Greek_Cappadocia @ 2,923313
24. %41 Kura_Araxes_Bronze_Age + %59 Nusayri_Turkey @ 2,9343
25. %95 Armenian_East + %5 Egyptian_Tanta @ 2,945871
26. %95 Armenian_East + %5 BedouinA @ 2,947846
27. %95 Armenian_East + %5 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh @ 2,955048
28. %97 Armenian_East + %3 Qatari @ 2,956118
29. %97 Armenian_East + %3 Saudi @ 2,975834
30. %95 Armenian_East + %5 Egyptian_Cairo @ 2,981684

[Karkurdu]

Armenian Indo-European LARPers should think twice now. The results are ridiculously funny.

[Tigranes]

This is pure shiet.

[Karkurdu]

This is pure shiet.

Better accept what you are buddy. Assyrians are an awsome civilization, much better than Armenians. I would take pride in it if I were you.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

I know many assyrians. They are friendly ,good people.

[Ryuk]

Armenian genetics show regional differences.Northern Armenians show steppe admix but southerns merely have that.

[Karkurdu]

Armenian genetics show regional differences.Northern Armenians show steppe admix but southerns merely have that.

Armenians in the G25 nMonte are "Northern" (you mean Eastern) Armenians. At least mostly, if not all.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

The early ancestors of armenians had probably more steppe ancestry. Because 25% of armenians are r1b.

[Karkurdu]

"Do you know how the Armenians first came into being? They were Assyrians once, taken by the Indo-European elites. Tortured and mutilated, a ruined and terrible form of life. And now... perfected."


Joke. ;)


:icon_lol:

This was good.

[Tigranes]

"Do you know how the Armenians first came into being? They were Assyrians once, taken by the Indo-European elites. Tortured and mutilated, a ruined and terrible form of life. And now... perfected."



?

[Ryuk]

Armenians in the G25 nMonte are "Northern" (you mean Eastern) Armenians. At least mostly, if not all.

Interesting,it should be more higher than zero.If we use the later steppe groups,maybe we will see the real IE input in Armenians.Yamna is too early for this.

Thanks for reply.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

nvm

[FinalFlash]

Troll thread. Armenians score an average of 10% Steppe admix(more or less depending on region).

[Karkurdu]

Troll thread. Armenians score an average of 10% Steppe admix(more or less depending on region).

Troll? I justed posted the results and modellings. Prove your claim.

[Tigranes]

There's no chance of an armenian person having genetic similarity(that much) with an assyrian one unless he/she is mixed.
Case closed.:closed_2:
Delet thiz shiet.

[Bunalim]

My grandma and dad both get Assyrian on some GEDMatch oracles. I wonder if there is a correlation between the Y-DNA of both the groups.

[Karkurdu]

There's no chance of an armenian person having genetic similarity(that much) with an assyrian person unless he/she is mixed.
Case closed.:closed_2:
Delet thiz shiet.

OK, you are a pure Indo-European Armenian. Don't be sad

https://memestatic1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Idk+man+i+just+feel+like+being+a+retard+today+_a9a be5dde8a8a8e1965d2c403137280b.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Troll? I justed posted the results and modellings. Prove your claim.

Every genetic study shows Armenians to have some degree of Steppe admixture. A Greek user linked it to you as well. Plus, every calculator I've seen that included a Laz, Pontian or Trabzon Turk in the references was almost always part of an Armenian's top 3 in Oracle calculators, ahead of Assyrians.

[FinalFlash]

They don't, you should stop using inaccurate proxies for pre-IE Armenia. Armenians are more southern than Kura-Araxes (Armenia_EBA). They don't have steppe ancestry. On the contrary, they seem to have received southern ancestry after the Early Bronze Age. If Armenians have 10% Steppe ancestry, then Kura-Araxes have even more. Don't be ridiculous.

The genetic makeup of Armenians in a nutshell:

%47 Kura_Araxes_Bronze_Age + %53 Lebanese_Christian @ 2,313281

or:

Assyrian 65.83
Georgian Laz 34.17
Yamnaya Samara 0

(Global K25)

Yes, they do. Global 25 certainly suggests it as well as various other calculators. I dont understand why you are vehemently against this.

[Karkurdu]

Every genetic study shows Armenians to have some degree of Steppe admixture. A Greek user linked it to you as well. Plus, every calculator I've seen that included a Laz, Pontian or Trabzon Turk in the references was almost always part of an Armenian's top 3 in Oracle calculators, ahead of Assyrians.

I've reassembled dozens of Armenian samples there plus used the Armenian average of G25's spredsheet for modelling. Where are those studies and Armenian samples you see that score 10% Steppe? You are just full of shit. Why is so hard to accept the truth about yor genetics? Nothing wrong with that.

[FinalFlash]

I've reassembled dozens of Armenian samples there plus used the Armenian average of G25's spredsheet for modelling. Where are those studies and Armenian samples you see that score 10% Steppe? You are just full of shit. Why is so hard to accept the truth about yor genetics? Nothing wrong with that.

Heres Global25 averages for Armenians(theres a limited sample size)

[1] "distance%=1.8265"

Armenian

Seh_Gabi_ChL,45.2
Barcin_N,22.8
CHG,13%
Levant_N,10.2
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,8.8

Who is full of shit now? Lol

[FinalFlash]

I have the GEDmatch IDs of dozens of Armenians. All of them get Assyrians as the closest populations because there is something fishy about the Armenian average on GEDmatch. Do you want me to post their results?

Greek_Pontus, Turk_Trabzon, Laz and Georgian are way above your league. You are basically Indo-European speaking Assyrians.

Depends on which calculators you use. For every one you show that gets an Assyrian as a top match, I can show you 3 that dont. Lol Pontians and Trabzonians are essentially Hellenized and Turkified Armenians and they're "out of our league". You must be Karakrakrkudukulu's troll account :)

[Tigranes]

get rekt

[Karkurdu]

Heres Global25 averages for Armenians(theres a limited sample size)

[1] "distance%=1.8265"

Armenian

Seh_Gabi_ChL,45.2
Barcin_N,22.8
CHG,13%
Levant_N,10.2
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,8.8

Who is full of shit now? Lol

LeL. Where the hell did you get this exactly? Show us the source.

[FinalFlash]

LeL. Where the hell did you get this exactly? Show us the source.

Global25. Now fuck off troll.

[Karkurdu]

Global25. Now fuck off troll.

More like you pulled that out of your ass. No link, no SS. Not surprised.

[FinalFlash]

Inaccurate proxies for pre-IE Armenia.

It takes an IQ of 60 to get my point. There are pre-Indo-European Early Bronze Age samples (Kura-Araxes) from Armenia and they are more northern than modern Armenians. Why don't you use Armenia_EBA in your models? Armenians do not even descend fully from Bronze Age natives of the region, they have misterious Levantine-like ancestry.

Kura-Araxes (non IE Bronze Age people) are more Yamnaya shifted than Armenians.

Inaccurate proxies? Are you braindead? These are all the components in which modern day Armenians are comprised of lol. What's mysterious about scoring 10% Levant_N?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No, they are not. Their ancestors were Zan-speakers. They are basically slightly Anatolia_Neolithic shifted Lazes from a genetic point of view.

But you are Indo-Europeanized Assyrians. Armeanians are closer to Assyrians than to anyone else.

Nah. All R1b Armenians descend directly from PIE steppe men and that haplogroup is pretty common in Armenia.

Checked Eupedia and R1b is 30% in Armenia, highest single marker and much more than Turkic haplogroups among Turks. Lmao
another 5% of Amernians are R1a so 35% of PIE haplogroups total

[FinalFlash]

No, they are not. Their ancestors were Zan-speakers. They are basically slightly Anatolia_Neolithic shifted Lazes from a genetic point of view.

But you are Indo-Europeanized Assyrians. Armeanians are closer to Assyrians than to anyone else.

Run any Trabzon Turk or Pontian calculator and I promise you that Armenian is the first thing they are going to get. I find it funny how you keep repeating the latter claim yet dont realize that Assyrians are actually more northern shifted than their Mesopotamian counterparts. You're also factually wrong either way.

[Karkurdu]

Heres Global25 averages for Armenians(theres a limited sample size)

[1] "distance%=1.8265"

Armenian

Seh_Gabi_ChL,45.2
Barcin_N,22.8
CHG,13%
Levant_N,10.2
Yamnaya_Kalmykia,8.8

Who is full of shit now? Lol

Here is a better fit for you with Yamnaya Kalmykia my dude

"sample": "Armenian:Average",

"fit": 1.5519

"Assyrian_Averaged": 84.17

"Kura-Araxes_Kaps_Averaged": 15.83

"Yamnaya_Kalmykia_Averaged": 0

"closestDistances"

"Assyrian_Averaged:Averaged: 1.928832

"Kura-Araxes_Kaps_Averaged:Averaged: 5.541335

"Yamnaya_Kalmykia_Averaged:Averaged: 23.297788

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

You do realize that we are talking about autosomal DNA here, right? Y-DNA haplogroups tell a very tiny part of the story. R1b is common among Assyrians too by the way. There is also a Kura-Araxes guy with R1b. So, things are more complex than that.

Yes I am but it is PIE marker originally and if you have it, you surely had steppe ancestor at some point. There is small amount of R1a also.

[Karkurdu]

Even that 8% Steppe is vanishing with correct proxies. These guys are putting it up forward as if it ALWAYS shows up with modellings. It is clear that your so called minor steppe admix is very shaky. Accept it already.

[FinalFlash]

Even that 8% Steppe is vanishing with correct proxies. These guys are putting it up forward as if it ALWAYS shows up with modellings. It is clear that your so called minor steppe admix is very shaky. Accept it already.

I'm telling you the admixture components that modern day Armenians are comprised of, you're trying to convince me of who we are genetically closest to. Apples and oranges dude.

[FinalFlash]

Moron, because most calcutors lack Greek_Pontus and Turk_Trabzon averages. Even Georgians get Armenians as the closest populations on calculators like Dodecad K12b, while Armenians themselves get Assyrians as the closest. There is something fishy about the Armenian average.

Armenian1 - T135556

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 47.49
2 Gedrosia 17.86
3 Southwest_Asian 17.17
4 Atlantic_Med 13.03
5 North_European 3.60


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 6.562867
2 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 6.680854
3 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 6.767523
4 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 7.576686
5 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 9.349825
6 Armenian_Dodecad @ 9.435633




Armenian2 - T327321

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 51.72
2 Gedrosia 17.35
3 Southwest_Asian 16.14
4 Atlantic_Med 10.35
5 North_European 2.82


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 3.230106
2 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 3.722529
3 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 4.201185
4 Armenian_Dodecad @ 4.791997
5 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 5.051198
6 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 8.052895
7 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 8.446690
8 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.022678
9 Armenians_Behar @ 10.514290




Armenian3 - M251641

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 52.75
2 Gedrosia 17.89
3 Southwest_Asian 15.54
4 Atlantic_Med 10.97
5 North_European 1.59


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 3.224462
2 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 3.838857
3 Armenian_Dodecad @ 4.026616
4 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 4.527146
5 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 5.403351
6 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 9.102442
7 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 9.413366
8 Armenians_Behar @ 9.806592
9 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.838967



Armenian4 - T086390

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 47.70
2 Gedrosia 18.44
3 Southwest_Asian 15.76
4 Atlantic_Med 13.30
5 North_European 3.56
6 Northwest_African 1.17


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 7.060911
2 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 7.131557
3 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 7.226487
4 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 8.160706
5 Armenian_Dodecad @ 9.095448
6 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 9.493807



Armenian5 - T105775

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 50.04
2 Gedrosia 16.42
3 Southwest_Asian 16.06
4 Atlantic_Med 12.28
5 North_European 4.08


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 5.833022
2 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 5.850250
3 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 6.050841
4 Armenian_Dodecad @ 6.625783
5 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 7.316352

You imbecile, as you can see Armenians have multiple references that also vary and you specifically selected outlier samples to try to prove your false claims.

[FinalFlash]

I can post dozens of kits. Just get over it. You guys are basically Indo-European speaking Semites. You are closer to Assyrians and Middle Eastern Jewish populations than to anyone else.

I can post many more refuting your nonsensical claims and I will soon.

[Mingle]

You imbecile, as you can see Armenians have multiple references that also vary and you specifically selected outlier samples to try to prove your false claims.

I don't think they're outliers. Dodecad K12b may just not be the best calculator.

Here is the HarappaWorld for the first one:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 49.82
2 Baloch 17.94
3 SW-Asian 15.92
4 Mediterranean 11.46
5 NE-Euro 3.06
6 S-Indian 0.96
7 Beringian 0.53
8 SE-Asian 0.22
9 Papuan 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (harappa) 4.33
2 assyrian (harappa) 4.58
3 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 5.06
4 georgia-jew (behar) 5.53
5 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 6.19
6 armenian (yunusbayev) 7.28
7 iranian-jew (behar) 7.59
8 iraq-jew (behar) 8.12
9 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 8.16
10 lebanese-druze (haber) 8.8
11 turkish (harappa) 8.95
12 armenian (behar) 9.23
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.32
14 turk (behar) 9.64
15 lebanese-muslim (haber) 9.66
16 lebanese-christian (haber) 10.39
17 azeri (harappa) 10.63
18 kurd (yunusbayev) 10.98
19 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 11.51
20 kurd (harappa) 12.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.5% basque (hgdp) @ 1.38
2 93.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.6% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.4
3 89.1% assyrian (harappa) + 10.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.57
4 91.2% assyrian (harappa) + 8.8% italian (hgdp) @ 1.65
5 92.1% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.9% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.74
6 94.3% assyrian (harappa) + 5.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.78
7 93.1% assyrian (harappa) + 6.9% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.81
8 94.2% assyrian (harappa) + 5.8% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.82
9 93% assyrian (harappa) + 7% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.85
10 85.3% assyrian (harappa) + 14.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.05
11 86.5% assyrian (harappa) + 13.5% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.07
12 90.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 9.4% italian (hgdp) @ 2.15
13 93.5% assyrian (harappa) + 6.5% french (hgdp) @ 2.25
14 92.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.3% french (hgdp) @ 2.25
15 88.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 11.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.33
16 84.4% assyrian (harappa) + 15.6% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 2.34
17 92.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.4% sardinian (hgdp) @ 2.34
18 91.1% assyrian (harappa) + 8.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.49
19 91.4% assyrian (harappa) + 8.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.49
20 93.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.51

It seems like they're just Western Armenians. Easterners wouldn't get Assyrians at such a high match.

[FinalFlash]

I don't think they're outliers. Dodecad K12b may not just be the best calculator.

Here is the HarappaWorld for the first one:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 49.82
2 Baloch 17.94
3 SW-Asian 15.92
4 Mediterranean 11.46
5 NE-Euro 3.06
6 S-Indian 0.96
7 Beringian 0.53
8 SE-Asian 0.22
9 Papuan 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (harappa) 4.33
2 assyrian (harappa) 4.58
3 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 5.06
4 georgia-jew (behar) 5.53
5 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 6.19
6 armenian (yunusbayev) 7.28
7 iranian-jew (behar) 7.59
8 iraq-jew (behar) 8.12
9 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 8.16
10 lebanese-druze (haber) 8.8
11 turkish (harappa) 8.95
12 armenian (behar) 9.23
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.32
14 turk (behar) 9.64
15 lebanese-muslim (haber) 9.66
16 lebanese-christian (haber) 10.39
17 azeri (harappa) 10.63
18 kurd (yunusbayev) 10.98
19 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 11.51
20 kurd (harappa) 12.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.5% basque (hgdp) @ 1.38
2 93.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.6% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.4
3 89.1% assyrian (harappa) + 10.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.57
4 91.2% assyrian (harappa) + 8.8% italian (hgdp) @ 1.65
5 92.1% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.9% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.74
6 94.3% assyrian (harappa) + 5.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.78
7 93.1% assyrian (harappa) + 6.9% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.81
8 94.2% assyrian (harappa) + 5.8% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.82
9 93% assyrian (harappa) + 7% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.85
10 85.3% assyrian (harappa) + 14.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.05
11 86.5% assyrian (harappa) + 13.5% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.07
12 90.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 9.4% italian (hgdp) @ 2.15
13 93.5% assyrian (harappa) + 6.5% french (hgdp) @ 2.25
14 92.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.3% french (hgdp) @ 2.25
15 88.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 11.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.33
16 84.4% assyrian (harappa) + 15.6% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 2.34
17 92.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 7.4% sardinian (hgdp) @ 2.34
18 91.1% assyrian (harappa) + 8.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.49
19 91.4% assyrian (harappa) + 8.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.49
20 93.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 6.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.51

It seems like they're just Western Armenians. Easterners wouldn't get Assyrians at such a high match.

I agree. They dont want to accept the regional variations of Armenians. Every ethnicity has variation except us apparently.

I mean look at the distance between the Harappa, Yunusbayev and Behar.

[FinalFlash]

Here is another nMonte model run

Armenian

Assyrian Averaged 83.33%
Kura-Araxes Kalavan Averaged 6.67%
Kura-Araxes Kaps Averaged 10%
Yamnaya Samara Averaged 0% (LOL)

https://abload.de/img/123vqjd8.png

Why are you mixing modern day populations with ancient ones as if the Yamnaya component doesnt exist in Kura-Araxes or modern day Assyrians?

[FinalFlash]

"Do you know how the Armenians first came into being? They were Assyrians once, taken by the Indo-European elites. Tortured and mutilated, a ruined and terrible form of life. And now... perfected."

Armenian

Assyrian Averaged 83.33%
Kura-Araxes Kalavan Averaged 6.67%
Kura-Araxes Kaps Averaged 10%
Yamnaya Samara Averaged 0% (LOL)

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2XewEL468dU/UccKUnVGpJI/AAAAAAAAAic/4Iz4AiApt4E/s1600/dinarid+armenoid+armenoide+dinarico+hither+eastern +race+armenid+armenido+nexid+nexido+raza+nexida.jp g

Doesn't it get tiring logging in and out of your various accounts?

[FinalFlash]

Kura-Araxes is a pre-IE culture in West Asia you idiot. Assyrians might negligible levels of Yamnaya ancestry (I doubt though). It still doesn't change the fact that Armenians are IE-speaking Assyrians with a touch of Kura-Araxes.

You can repeat it all you want, wont make it any true Karkardukulu

[Karkurdu]

You can repeat it all you want, wont make it any true Karkardukulu

This guy has nothing to do with me. Have our IP's checked if you want.

But that won't make you less Assyrian. Sorry.

[FinalFlash]

This guy has nothing to do with me. Have our IP's checked if you want.

But that won't make you less Assyrian. Sorry.

Anything beats larping eh my "Turkish" friend?

[Karkurdu]

Anything beats larping eh my "Turkish" friend?

I don't claim nothing but what I am. I'm not as insecure as you are.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280246-Turkish-Global25-nMonte-Modelling

[Leto]

So what? IE is a linguistic category in 2019. Many South Asians have very little Steppe admixture too but they are even called Aryan. It's well-known that Armenians are mostly native (Transcaucasia, Eastern Anatolia) genetically.

[FinalFlash]

I don't claim nothing but what I am. I'm not as insecure as you are.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280246-Turkish-Global25-nMonte-Modelling

I've never claimed to be anything other than an Armenian. Yet here you are Larping as a turk :)

[Mingle]

I agree. They dont want to accept the regional variations of Armenians. Every ethnicity has variation except us apparently.

I mean look at the distance between the Harappa, Yunusbayev and Behar.

Just for contrast, I'll post two Eastern Armenians.

Eastern Armenian #1: M785102.

HarappaWorld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 62.24
2 Baloch 17.01
3 SW-Asian 9.89
4 Mediterranean 9.25
5 S-Indian 1.31
6 NE-Euro 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (yunusbayev) 6.36
2 armenian (behar) 6.52
3 georgian (harappa) 9.85
4 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 10.31
5 assyrian (harappa) 12.29
6 georgia-jew (behar) 12.9
7 abhkasian (yunusbayev) 14.95
8 georgian (behar) 15.2
9 armenian (harappa) 15.32
10 druze (hgdp) 15.66
11 iranian-jew (behar) 16.13
12 lebanese-druze (haber) 16.31
13 turk (behar) 16.48
14 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 17.17
15 azeri (harappa) 17.24
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 17.36
17 iraq-jew (behar) 17.48
18 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 17.58
19 lebanese-christian (haber) 18.21
20 turkish (harappa) 18.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% armenian (yunusbayev) + 23.7% georgian (behar) @ 4.49
2 61.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 38.6% georgian (behar) @ 4.98
3 56.3% assyrian (harappa) + 43.7% georgian (behar) @ 5.43
4 55.1% georgian (behar) + 44.9% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 5.48
5 52% georgian (behar) + 48% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 5.53
6 54% georgian (behar) + 46% iraq-jew (behar) @ 5.63
7 61.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 38.3% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 5.72
8 54.9% georgia-jew (behar) + 45.1% georgian (behar) @ 5.77
9 82.5% armenian (behar) + 17.5% georgian (behar) @ 5.81
10 55.7% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 44.3% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 6.03
11 51.7% georgian (behar) + 48.3% iranian-jew (behar) @ 6.05
12 52.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 47.4% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 6.14
13 86.4% armenian (behar) + 13.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 6.16
14 57.1% georgian (behar) + 42.9% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 6.22
15 59.5% armenian (yunusbayev) + 40.5% armenian (behar) @ 6.22
16 54.3% georgian (behar) + 45.7% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 6.29
17 62.4% georgian (behar) + 37.6% lebanese (behar) @ 6.29
18 56.2% assyrian (harappa) + 43.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 6.32
19 100% armenian (yunusbayev) + 0% adygei (hgdp) @ 6.36
20 100% armenian (yunusbayev) + 0% afar (pagani) @ 6.36

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 48.1
2 South_Central_Asian 18.45
3 European_Early_Farmers 12.53
4 Near_East 12.49
5 North_African 3.51
6 South_Indian 1.48
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.29
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.76
9 Arctic 0.5
10 Australoid 0.37
11 European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.33
12 Khoisan 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Tat ( ) 7.48
2 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 8.24
3 Armenian ( ) 8.56
4 Georgian_Jew ( ) 8.97
5 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 9.3
6 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 9.74
7 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.86
8 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 10.37
9 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 11.44
10 Azov_Greek ( ) 11.55
11 Turk ( ) 11.67
12 Iranian_Jew ( ) 11.83
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 12.03
14 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 12.12
15 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 12.24
16 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.88
17 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 13.14
18 Cirkassian ( ) 13.42
19 Cypriot ( ) 13.56
20 Druze ( ) 13.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.6% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 8.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.39
2 91.4% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 8.6% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.39
3 90.5% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 9.5% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.48
4 89% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11% French_South ( ) @ 2.57
5 87.6% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 12.4% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.64
6 88.2% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11.8% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.64
7 89% Armenian ( ) + 11% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.65
8 88.5% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11.5% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
9 87.9% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 12.1% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
10 88.7% Armenian ( ) + 11.3% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
11 88.8% Armenian ( ) + 11.2% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
12 89% Armenian ( ) + 11% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 2.67
13 88.4% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.68
14 89.5% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 10.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.68
15 89.1% Armenian ( ) + 10.9% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.69
16 91.7% Armenian ( ) + 8.3% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.71
17 89.6% Armenian ( ) + 10.4% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.71
18 89.8% Armenian ( ) + 10.2% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.71
19 92.6% Armenian ( ) + 7.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.73
20 89.8% Armenian ( ) + 10.2% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.74

puntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 45.08
2 SW_Europe 29.53
3 SW_Asia 17.51
4 NE_Europe 3.63
5 South_Asia 3.47
6 Americas 0.51
7 West_Africa 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.57
2 Turkish_Trabzon 4.62
3 Assyrian 5.17
4 Azerbaijan_Azeri 9.4
5 Kurdish 9.67
6 Abkhasian 10.42
7 Lebanese_Druze 10.54
8 Lebanese_Muslim 10.92
9 Turkish_Kayseri 11.05
10 Syrian 12.25
11 Lebanese_Christian 12.27
12 Iranian 12.57
13 Turkish 13.42
14 Cypriot 13.73
15 Ossetian 15.59
16 Dagestan_Azeri 15.85
17 Jordanian 17.42
18 Samaritan_Jew 17.85
19 Turkish_Aydin 17.89
20 Adygei 18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 23.9% Iranian @ 2.52
2 96.3% Armenian + 3.7% Kurumba @ 2.64
3 96.1% Armenian + 3.9% Velamas @ 2.66
4 96.6% Armenian + 3.4% Sakilli @ 2.69
5 96.7% Armenian + 3.3% North_Kannadi @ 2.69
6 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% Piramalai_Kallars @ 2.69
7 96.5% Armenian + 3.5% Chenchus @ 2.71
8 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% UP_Muslim @ 2.73
9 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% Tamil_Nadu_Caste @ 2.73
10 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% Hakkipikki @ 2.75
11 54.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 45.9% Assyrian @ 2.75
12 62% Armenian + 38% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.75
13 96.6% Armenian + 3.4% Gond @ 2.75
14 96% Armenian + 4% Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin @ 2.77
15 96.2% Armenian + 3.8% Bengali @ 2.8
16 97.1% Armenian + 2.9% Pulliyar @ 2.81
17 97.3% Armenian + 2.7% Paniya @ 2.83
18 71.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 28.3% Kurdish @ 2.85
19 97.2% Armenian + 2.8% Mawasi @ 2.88
20 93.7% Armenian + 6.3% Balochi @ 2.89

Eastern Armenian #2: M166728

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 63.64
2 Baloch 16.03
3 SW-Asian 9.7
4 Mediterranean 7.52
5 NE-Euro 2.11
6 Beringian 0.55
7 NE-Asian 0.31
8 Papuan 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (behar) 6.53
2 armenian (yunusbayev) 7.2
3 georgian (harappa) 8.09
4 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 11.37
5 abhkasian (yunusbayev) 12.88
6 georgian (behar) 13.07
7 assyrian (harappa) 13.47
8 georgia-jew (behar) 13.67
9 druze (hgdp) 15.58
10 armenian (harappa) 16.64
11 turk (behar) 16.92
12 iranian-jew (behar) 17.23
13 lebanese-druze (haber) 17.23
14 north-ossetian (yunusbayev) 17.71
15 azeri (harappa) 17.82
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 17.98
17 adygei (hgdp) 18.1
18 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 18.21
19 balkar (yunusbayev) 18.44
20 iraq-jew (behar) 18.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% georgian (behar) + 40.1% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 3.25
2 66.4% armenian (yunusbayev) + 33.6% georgian (behar) @ 3.32
3 57.2% georgian (behar) + 42.8% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 3.45
4 53.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 46.2% georgian (behar) @ 3.57
5 51.2% georgian (behar) + 48.8% georgia-jew (behar) @ 3.87
6 59.3% georgian (behar) + 40.7% iraq-jew (behar) @ 3.94
7 68.5% georgian (behar) + 31.5% samaritian (behar) @ 4.09
8 50.8% georgian (behar) + 49.2% assyrian (harappa) @ 4.15
9 60.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 39.4% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 4.2
10 61.8% georgian (behar) + 38.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.32
11 66.5% georgian (behar) + 33.5% lebanese (behar) @ 4.39
12 57.9% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 42.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 4.44
13 69% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 31% samaritian (behar) @ 4.47
14 72.2% armenian (behar) + 27.8% georgian (behar) @ 4.49
15 57.5% georgian (behar) + 42.5% iranian-jew (behar) @ 4.51
16 70.4% georgian (behar) + 29.6% jordanian (behar) @ 4.58
17 71.5% georgian (behar) + 28.5% palestinian (hgdp) @ 4.6
18 53.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 46.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 4.65
19 67.4% georgian (behar) + 32.6% palestinian (harappa) @ 4.79
20 61.9% georgian (behar) + 38.1% cypriot (behar) @ 4.79

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 50.18
2 South_Central_Asian 18.52
3 Near_East 12.79
4 European_Early_Farmers 7.94
5 North_African 3.96
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.84
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.39
8 Amerindian 1.3
9 South_Indian 0.97
10 Australoid 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 3.91
2 Armenian ( ) 4.23
3 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 4.35
4 Jew_Tat ( ) 6.27
5 Georgian_Jew ( ) 10.88
6 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 11.31
7 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 11.62
8 Iranian_Jew ( ) 12.29
9 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 12.57
10 Druze ( ) 12.65
11 Kabardin ( ) 12.74
12 Kumyk ( ) 13.01
13 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 13.08
14 Adygei ( ) 13.26
15 Circassian ( ) 13.33
16 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 13.53
17 Kurd_Jew ( ) 13.64
18 Cirkassian ( ) 13.73
19 Balkar ( ) 13.9
20 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 14.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.8% Armenian ( ) + 19.2% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) @ 1.79
2 95.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.9% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 1.88
3 95.8% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.2% Morocco_South ( ) @ 1.89
4 95.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.7% Algerian ( ) @ 1.92
5 68.7% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 31.3% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.93
6 95.4% Armenian ( ) + 4.6% Moroccan ( ) @ 1.94
7 71.2% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 28.8% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.97
8 96.4% Armenian ( ) + 3.6% Saharawi ( ) @ 1.97
9 96.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 3.9% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 1.98
10 66.7% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 33.3% Adjara ( ) @ 1.98
11 94.9% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 5.1% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 1.99
12 96.2% Armenian ( ) + 3.8% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 2.04
13 76.6% Armenian ( ) + 23.4% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 2.06
14 95.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.9% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.07
15 95.2% Armenian ( ) + 4.8% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.07
16 90.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 9.7% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 2.08
17 96.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 3.7% Saharawi ( ) @ 2.08
18 65.4% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) + 34.6% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.09
19 90% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 10% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 2.09
20 95% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 5% Colombian ( ) @ 2.11

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 44.15
2 SW_Europe 29.87
3 SW_Asia 16.43
4 NE_Europe 5.48
5 South_Asia 1.52
6 NE_Asia 1.17
7 Oceania 0.97
8 South_Africa 0.26
9 Americas 0.12
10 SE_Asia 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.95
2 Turkish_Trabzon 4.49
3 Assyrian 5.99
4 Azerbaijan_Azeri 8.31
5 Abkhasian 9.16
6 Turkish_Kayseri 9.46
7 Kurdish 9.84
8 Lebanese_Druze 10.6
9 Lebanese_Muslim 11.14
10 Turkish 11.74
11 Lebanese_Christian 12.22
12 Syrian 12.22
13 Cypriot 12.81
14 Iranian 13.17
15 Ossetian 14.14
16 Dagestan_Azeri 14.6
17 Turkish_Aydin 16.21
18 Adygei 16.24
19 Balkar 16.56
20 Jordanian 17.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.4% Turkish_Trabzon + 29.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.3
2 67.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 32.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.39
3 75.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 24.3% Turkish @ 2.58
4 81.8% Turkish_Trabzon + 18.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.76
5 73.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 26.9% Kurdish @ 2.86
6 85.9% Armenian + 14.1% Balkar @ 2.9
7 56.4% Armenian + 43.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.96
8 79.2% Turkish_Trabzon + 20.8% Iranian @ 2.98
9 90.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 9.3% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.01
10 85.8% Turkish_Trabzon + 14.2% Kumyk @ 3.06
11 90% Turkish_Trabzon + 10% Tadjik @ 3.1
12 89.4% Turkish_Trabzon + 10.6% Nogay @ 3.17
13 78.8% Turkish_Trabzon + 21.2% Syrian @ 3.18
14 76.8% Armenian + 23.2% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.2
15 95.9% Turkish_Trabzon + 4.1% Finnish @ 3.2
16 78.9% Armenian + 21.1% Abkhasian @ 3.22
17 82.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 17.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 3.24
18 61.9% Turkish_Trabzon + 38.1% Assyrian @ 3.27
19 90.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 9.3% Romani @ 3.27
20 77.6% Turkish_Trabzon + 22.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.28

[FinalFlash]

So what? IE is a linguistic category in 2019. Many South Asians have very little Steppe admixture too but they are even called Aryan. It's well-known that Armenians are mostly native (Transcaucasia, Eastern Anatolia) genetically.

Hes trying to make us look as if we are carbon copies of Assyrians who've had a language change when in reality that isnt true at all. It's not that theres anything wrong with being an Assyrian its just that it simply isnt true.

[Karkurdu]

So what? IE is a linguistic category in 2019. Many South Asians have very little Steppe admixture too but they are even called Aryan. It's well-known that Armenians are mostly native (Transcaucasia, Eastern Anatolia) genetically.

The thing is Armenians are not even close to those regions either. They are closer to Assyrians with literally 0 Steppe admixture. But our Armenian friends here insisting on the opposite for some reason. That's the weird thing.

[FinalFlash]

Just for contrast, I'll post two Eastern Armenians.

Eastern Armenian #1: M785102.

HarappaWorld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 62.24
2 Baloch 17.01
3 SW-Asian 9.89
4 Mediterranean 9.25
5 S-Indian 1.31
6 NE-Euro 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (yunusbayev) 6.36
2 armenian (behar) 6.52
3 georgian (harappa) 9.85
4 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 10.31
5 assyrian (harappa) 12.29
6 georgia-jew (behar) 12.9
7 abhkasian (yunusbayev) 14.95
8 georgian (behar) 15.2
9 armenian (harappa) 15.32
10 druze (hgdp) 15.66
11 iranian-jew (behar) 16.13
12 lebanese-druze (haber) 16.31
13 turk (behar) 16.48
14 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 17.17
15 azeri (harappa) 17.24
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 17.36
17 iraq-jew (behar) 17.48
18 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 17.58
19 lebanese-christian (haber) 18.21
20 turkish (harappa) 18.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% armenian (yunusbayev) + 23.7% georgian (behar) @ 4.49
2 61.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 38.6% georgian (behar) @ 4.98
3 56.3% assyrian (harappa) + 43.7% georgian (behar) @ 5.43
4 55.1% georgian (behar) + 44.9% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 5.48
5 52% georgian (behar) + 48% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 5.53
6 54% georgian (behar) + 46% iraq-jew (behar) @ 5.63
7 61.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 38.3% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 5.72
8 54.9% georgia-jew (behar) + 45.1% georgian (behar) @ 5.77
9 82.5% armenian (behar) + 17.5% georgian (behar) @ 5.81
10 55.7% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 44.3% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 6.03
11 51.7% georgian (behar) + 48.3% iranian-jew (behar) @ 6.05
12 52.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 47.4% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 6.14
13 86.4% armenian (behar) + 13.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 6.16
14 57.1% georgian (behar) + 42.9% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 6.22
15 59.5% armenian (yunusbayev) + 40.5% armenian (behar) @ 6.22
16 54.3% georgian (behar) + 45.7% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 6.29
17 62.4% georgian (behar) + 37.6% lebanese (behar) @ 6.29
18 56.2% assyrian (harappa) + 43.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 6.32
19 100% armenian (yunusbayev) + 0% adygei (hgdp) @ 6.36
20 100% armenian (yunusbayev) + 0% afar (pagani) @ 6.36

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 48.1
2 South_Central_Asian 18.45
3 European_Early_Farmers 12.53
4 Near_East 12.49
5 North_African 3.51
6 South_Indian 1.48
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.29
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.76
9 Arctic 0.5
10 Australoid 0.37
11 European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.33
12 Khoisan 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Tat ( ) 7.48
2 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 8.24
3 Armenian ( ) 8.56
4 Georgian_Jew ( ) 8.97
5 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 9.3
6 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 9.74
7 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.86
8 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 10.37
9 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 11.44
10 Azov_Greek ( ) 11.55
11 Turk ( ) 11.67
12 Iranian_Jew ( ) 11.83
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 12.03
14 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 12.12
15 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 12.24
16 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.88
17 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 13.14
18 Cirkassian ( ) 13.42
19 Cypriot ( ) 13.56
20 Druze ( ) 13.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.6% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 8.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.39
2 91.4% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 8.6% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.39
3 90.5% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 9.5% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.48
4 89% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11% French_South ( ) @ 2.57
5 87.6% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 12.4% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.64
6 88.2% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11.8% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.64
7 89% Armenian ( ) + 11% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.65
8 88.5% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11.5% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
9 87.9% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 12.1% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
10 88.7% Armenian ( ) + 11.3% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
11 88.8% Armenian ( ) + 11.2% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
12 89% Armenian ( ) + 11% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 2.67
13 88.4% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.68
14 89.5% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 10.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.68
15 89.1% Armenian ( ) + 10.9% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.69
16 91.7% Armenian ( ) + 8.3% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.71
17 89.6% Armenian ( ) + 10.4% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.71
18 89.8% Armenian ( ) + 10.2% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.71
19 92.6% Armenian ( ) + 7.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.73
20 89.8% Armenian ( ) + 10.2% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.74

puntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 45.08
2 SW_Europe 29.53
3 SW_Asia 17.51
4 NE_Europe 3.63
5 South_Asia 3.47
6 Americas 0.51
7 West_Africa 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.57
2 Turkish_Trabzon 4.62
3 Assyrian 5.17
4 Azerbaijan_Azeri 9.4
5 Kurdish 9.67
6 Abkhasian 10.42
7 Lebanese_Druze 10.54
8 Lebanese_Muslim 10.92
9 Turkish_Kayseri 11.05
10 Syrian 12.25
11 Lebanese_Christian 12.27
12 Iranian 12.57
13 Turkish 13.42
14 Cypriot 13.73
15 Ossetian 15.59
16 Dagestan_Azeri 15.85
17 Jordanian 17.42
18 Samaritan_Jew 17.85
19 Turkish_Aydin 17.89
20 Adygei 18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 23.9% Iranian @ 2.52
2 96.3% Armenian + 3.7% Kurumba @ 2.64
3 96.1% Armenian + 3.9% Velamas @ 2.66
4 96.6% Armenian + 3.4% Sakilli @ 2.69
5 96.7% Armenian + 3.3% North_Kannadi @ 2.69
6 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% Piramalai_Kallars @ 2.69
7 96.5% Armenian + 3.5% Chenchus @ 2.71
8 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% UP_Muslim @ 2.73
9 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% Tamil_Nadu_Caste @ 2.73
10 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% Hakkipikki @ 2.75
11 54.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 45.9% Assyrian @ 2.75
12 62% Armenian + 38% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.75
13 96.6% Armenian + 3.4% Gond @ 2.75
14 96% Armenian + 4% Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin @ 2.77
15 96.2% Armenian + 3.8% Bengali @ 2.8
16 97.1% Armenian + 2.9% Pulliyar @ 2.81
17 97.3% Armenian + 2.7% Paniya @ 2.83
18 71.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 28.3% Kurdish @ 2.85
19 97.2% Armenian + 2.8% Mawasi @ 2.88
20 93.7% Armenian + 6.3% Balochi @ 2.89

Eastern Armenian #2: M166728

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 63.64
2 Baloch 16.03
3 SW-Asian 9.7
4 Mediterranean 7.52
5 NE-Euro 2.11
6 Beringian 0.55
7 NE-Asian 0.31
8 Papuan 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (behar) 6.53
2 armenian (yunusbayev) 7.2
3 georgian (harappa) 8.09
4 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 11.37
5 abhkasian (yunusbayev) 12.88
6 georgian (behar) 13.07
7 assyrian (harappa) 13.47
8 georgia-jew (behar) 13.67
9 druze (hgdp) 15.58
10 armenian (harappa) 16.64
11 turk (behar) 16.92
12 iranian-jew (behar) 17.23
13 lebanese-druze (haber) 17.23
14 north-ossetian (yunusbayev) 17.71
15 azeri (harappa) 17.82
16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 17.98
17 adygei (hgdp) 18.1
18 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 18.21
19 balkar (yunusbayev) 18.44
20 iraq-jew (behar) 18.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% georgian (behar) + 40.1% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 3.25
2 66.4% armenian (yunusbayev) + 33.6% georgian (behar) @ 3.32
3 57.2% georgian (behar) + 42.8% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 3.45
4 53.8% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 46.2% georgian (behar) @ 3.57
5 51.2% georgian (behar) + 48.8% georgia-jew (behar) @ 3.87
6 59.3% georgian (behar) + 40.7% iraq-jew (behar) @ 3.94
7 68.5% georgian (behar) + 31.5% samaritian (behar) @ 4.09
8 50.8% georgian (behar) + 49.2% assyrian (harappa) @ 4.15
9 60.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 39.4% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 4.2
10 61.8% georgian (behar) + 38.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.32
11 66.5% georgian (behar) + 33.5% lebanese (behar) @ 4.39
12 57.9% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 42.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 4.44
13 69% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 31% samaritian (behar) @ 4.47
14 72.2% armenian (behar) + 27.8% georgian (behar) @ 4.49
15 57.5% georgian (behar) + 42.5% iranian-jew (behar) @ 4.51
16 70.4% georgian (behar) + 29.6% jordanian (behar) @ 4.58
17 71.5% georgian (behar) + 28.5% palestinian (hgdp) @ 4.6
18 53.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 46.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 4.65
19 67.4% georgian (behar) + 32.6% palestinian (harappa) @ 4.79
20 61.9% georgian (behar) + 38.1% cypriot (behar) @ 4.79

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 50.18
2 South_Central_Asian 18.52
3 Near_East 12.79
4 European_Early_Farmers 7.94
5 North_African 3.96
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.84
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.39
8 Amerindian 1.3
9 South_Indian 0.97
10 Australoid 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 3.91
2 Armenian ( ) 4.23
3 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 4.35
4 Jew_Tat ( ) 6.27
5 Georgian_Jew ( ) 10.88
6 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 11.31
7 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 11.62
8 Iranian_Jew ( ) 12.29
9 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 12.57
10 Druze ( ) 12.65
11 Kabardin ( ) 12.74
12 Kumyk ( ) 13.01
13 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 13.08
14 Adygei ( ) 13.26
15 Circassian ( ) 13.33
16 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 13.53
17 Kurd_Jew ( ) 13.64
18 Cirkassian ( ) 13.73
19 Balkar ( ) 13.9
20 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 14.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.8% Armenian ( ) + 19.2% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) @ 1.79
2 95.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.9% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 1.88
3 95.8% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.2% Morocco_South ( ) @ 1.89
4 95.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.7% Algerian ( ) @ 1.92
5 68.7% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 31.3% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.93
6 95.4% Armenian ( ) + 4.6% Moroccan ( ) @ 1.94
7 71.2% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 28.8% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.97
8 96.4% Armenian ( ) + 3.6% Saharawi ( ) @ 1.97
9 96.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 3.9% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 1.98
10 66.7% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 33.3% Adjara ( ) @ 1.98
11 94.9% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 5.1% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 1.99
12 96.2% Armenian ( ) + 3.8% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 2.04
13 76.6% Armenian ( ) + 23.4% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 2.06
14 95.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 4.9% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.07
15 95.2% Armenian ( ) + 4.8% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.07
16 90.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 9.7% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 2.08
17 96.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 3.7% Saharawi ( ) @ 2.08
18 65.4% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) + 34.6% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.09
19 90% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 10% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 2.09
20 95% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 5% Colombian ( ) @ 2.11

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 44.15
2 SW_Europe 29.87
3 SW_Asia 16.43
4 NE_Europe 5.48
5 South_Asia 1.52
6 NE_Asia 1.17
7 Oceania 0.97
8 South_Africa 0.26
9 Americas 0.12
10 SE_Asia 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.95
2 Turkish_Trabzon 4.49
3 Assyrian 5.99
4 Azerbaijan_Azeri 8.31
5 Abkhasian 9.16
6 Turkish_Kayseri 9.46
7 Kurdish 9.84
8 Lebanese_Druze 10.6
9 Lebanese_Muslim 11.14
10 Turkish 11.74
11 Lebanese_Christian 12.22
12 Syrian 12.22
13 Cypriot 12.81
14 Iranian 13.17
15 Ossetian 14.14
16 Dagestan_Azeri 14.6
17 Turkish_Aydin 16.21
18 Adygei 16.24
19 Balkar 16.56
20 Jordanian 17.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.4% Turkish_Trabzon + 29.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.3
2 67.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 32.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.39
3 75.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 24.3% Turkish @ 2.58
4 81.8% Turkish_Trabzon + 18.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.76
5 73.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 26.9% Kurdish @ 2.86
6 85.9% Armenian + 14.1% Balkar @ 2.9
7 56.4% Armenian + 43.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.96
8 79.2% Turkish_Trabzon + 20.8% Iranian @ 2.98
9 90.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 9.3% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.01
10 85.8% Turkish_Trabzon + 14.2% Kumyk @ 3.06
11 90% Turkish_Trabzon + 10% Tadjik @ 3.1
12 89.4% Turkish_Trabzon + 10.6% Nogay @ 3.17
13 78.8% Turkish_Trabzon + 21.2% Syrian @ 3.18
14 76.8% Armenian + 23.2% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.2
15 95.9% Turkish_Trabzon + 4.1% Finnish @ 3.2
16 78.9% Armenian + 21.1% Abkhasian @ 3.22
17 82.1% Turkish_Trabzon + 17.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 3.24
18 61.9% Turkish_Trabzon + 38.1% Assyrian @ 3.27
19 90.7% Turkish_Trabzon + 9.3% Romani @ 3.27
20 77.6% Turkish_Trabzon + 22.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.28

I'll post more later on today using various calculators to hopefully squash this trollish nonsense once and for all.

[Leto]

Hes trying to make us look as if we are carbon copies of Assyrians who've had a language change when in reality that isnt true at all. It's not that theres anything wrong with being an Assyrian its just that it simply isnt true.
Armenians and Assyrians do cluster closely to each other but I'm not sure about language replacement. Armenian ethnic identity is very old for sure.

[FinalFlash]

The thing is Armenians are not even close to those regions either. They are closer to Assyrians with literally 0 Steppe admixture. But our Armenian friends here insisting on the opposite for some reason. That's the weird thing.

Even with proof you still choose to peddle your lies. You're more of a merchant than you think lol

[FinalFlash]

Armenians and Assyrians do cluster closely to each other but I'm not sure about language replacement. Armenian ethnic identity is very old for sure.

Doesnt mean that they are our closest genetic matches, especially when taking regional variations into account.

[Karkurdu]

Even with proof you still choose to peddle your lies. You're more of a merchant than you think lol

You did not prove anything. you just came up with some shitty results without a source. There has beeen dozens of other examples posted here. but you ignore all of them.

[FinalFlash]

The point is, the Armenian guy is not in a position to call anyone "assimilated X" or something, he likes to call Turks "assimilated X, Y" but Turks actually have Turkic ancestry.

Yes I am in a position to call them larpers because that's exactly what they are. And since when am I a larper lol?

[FinalFlash]

Turks have more Turkic ancestry than Armenians have Indo-European ancestry. Actually, Armenians seem to have none, it is not even a competition. You are a larper because you identify as Armenian even though you are genetically identical to Assyrians. Turks get modeled as a mix of Medieval Turkic samples and Anatolians, so you are not in a position to call them larpers.


https://abload.de/img/hepsit0i0b.png
https://abload.de/img/111zwi6k.png


Turkish_Balikesir, for instance, get modeled as 40% Medieval Turkic (Kipchak and Göktürk) or 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan. Armenians do not even score 1% Yamnaya on Global K25.
https://scontent.fbtz1-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44037210_183389582545402_592261919805538304_o.jpg? _nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtz1-4.fna&oh=acfd15551f9a9741ef80c29121fe19c6&oe=5CE409F4
https://scontent.fbtz1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44108573_183388735878820_1636032220768501760_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtz1-3.fna&oh=c04178d09eab188e6b567d8b7f09c9ae&oe=5CE5F5A2

Armenians score close to 9% Yamnaya on G25 from only 10 samples that are available. "Turks" also score Steppe admixture as well and its masked by your Greek reference. Lol

[FinalFlash]

Turks are much more steppe-shifted than psuedo-Armenians (IE-speaking Assyrians), I know. Not only Turks, all of your neighbours are genetically more northern than you. You are like a Semitic island in the middle of Transcaucasia.

Pontians, Trabzon "Turks" and Laz must be an extension of that "semitic island" never mind all of Southern Turkey lol

[Karkurdu]

Pontians, Trabzon "Turks" and Laz must be an extension of that "semitic island" never mind all of Southern Turkey lol

Trabzon, Rize and Erzurum are the only outliers in Turkey. Southern Turkey is one most Turkic shifted regions.

[FinalFlash]

You are closer to Assyrians, get over it. I haven't seen a Laz scoring 17% Southwest_Asian. Leave those people alone LOL.

Southern Turkey are full of Yörük nomads you idiot.


Here is a Turk from Southern Turkey (Mersin).

"Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +50% Uzbeks_Behar @ 6.541306"
https://abload.de/img/1lsjcr.png

No, we aren't you moron. Just because you can't understand the subtle genetic variations in us isn't my issue.

[Arsen_]

Turks are much more steppe-shifted than pseudo-Armenians (IE-speaking Assyrians)..

Bwa-ha-ha.. You seem to be from Azerbaijan? It is their favorite pastime to prove that Armenians are not Armenians.. ;)

You know what, it is absolutely no matter, if Armenians are just Armenians or they are Armenian-speaking Assyrians or whatever else, Artsakh is ours and will be ours forever! :thumb001:

[Rgvgjhvv]

Who the hell is this Porsuk guy now? Hahaha

[FinalFlash]

Armenians are not Armenian (I mean those who brought the IE language) genetically.

I'm neither from Azerbaijan nor interested in politics.

Prove it. Whoopdedo! They found a couple of bones in modern day Armenia dating back a zillion years ago. Bones that even vary tremendously within themselves.

[FinalFlash]

Who the hell is this Porsuk guy now? Hahaha

Its Karkudkulu who created this troll account. He was pissed off that I called them larpers a few days ago and now you see what that did to him.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Turks can be modeled as a mix of Greeks and Turkic tribes


Fixed.

[FinalFlash]

Bwa-ha-ha.. You seem to be from Azerbaijan? It is their favorite pastime to prove that Armenians are not Armenians.. ;)

You know what, it is absolutely no matter, if Armenians are just Armenians or they are Armenian-speaking Assyrians or whatever else, Artsakh is ours and will be ours forever! :thumb001:

He is just mad that I called Turks larpers so he had a nervous breakdown as you can tell. He even made a troll account to "back him up" :D

[Kamal900]

He is just mad that I called Turks larpers so he had a nervous breakdown as you can tell. He even made a troll account to "back him up" :D

You shouldn't pay any attention to them. Trolls love attention.

[Karkurdu]

Its Karkudkulu who created this troll account. He was pissed off that I called them larpers a few days ago and now you see what that did to him.

Why are you slandering me with lies my Assyrian friend. I even doubt that guy is Turkish let alone my sock. I don't need a sock account to prove my point which I did with countless examples. get over it already.

[Karkurdu]

Hahahaha, buthurrt Armenians have Porsuk banned and let his posts deleted from the thread.

Fucking Assyrian Larpers :D

[Aren]

So many false claims in this thread. First of all, most of the averages on Gedmatch are somewhat off. I have collected over 80 Assyrian Gedmatch kits and only one or two score over 50% Caucasus in Dodecad K12b. The Assyrian Caucasus average is around 46-48%. That's why many Western Armenians are close to the (inaccurate)average on Gedmatch.
Second of all there's considerable difference when it comes to uniparental markers between us and Armenians, they lack as an example several subclades under J1 related to various Semitic migrations to Mespotamia. Other than that, ofc there will be similarites between us that can be explained by ancient shared ancestry rather than intermarriage or assimiliation. Religion has shaped the genetic landcape of Western Asia. The muslims of our area smoothly form a continuity autosomally speaking, just like in most of Europe. Meanwhile the non-Muslim minorities also form a relatively uniform continuity. We Assyrians lie in between the Mandeans and Iraqi Jews of southern Mesopotamia on one hand and the Western Armenians on the other hand. Matching geography pretty well. This has probably nothing to do with intermarriage, as we have had no contact with Mandeans and most Assyrians of Iraq had no contact with Armenians either until very recently.

As for the Steppe/IE admixture in Armenians I would guess that it ranges from 6-12% depending on what Steppe source we are talking about(Middle-Late Bronze Age or Early Bronze Age).

[FinalFlash]

Why are you slandering me with lies my Assyrian friend. I even doubt that guy is Turkish let alone my sock. I don't need a sock account to prove my point which I did with countless examples. get over it already.

You havent proven anything. I already showed you what you need to know and yet you've denied it my pseudo turk friend. Do I really have to show you countless Gedmatch calculators that would destroy your false claims? Honestly, is this what you want? If so, then you will have to be patient.

[FinalFlash]

Hahahaha, buthurrt Armenians have Porsuk banned and let his posts deleted from the thread.

Fucking Assyrian Larpers :D

It's ok, you can make another account my pseudo turklar

[Karkurdu]

You havent proven anything. I already showed you what you need to know and yet you've denied it my pseudo turk friend. Do I really have to show you countless Gedmatch calculators that would destroy your false claims? Honestly, is this what you want? If so, then you will have to be patient.

I just destroyed your whole world. Go fetch some outlier Armenians from Russia or something to prove me wrong.

[FinalFlash]

I just destroyed your whole world. Go fetch some outlier Armenians from Russia or something to prove me wrong.

Theres a lot of outliers in Russia and the diaspora alone but dont worry I wont be a disingenuous butthurt cunt like yourself and post actual fully Armenian kits.

[Karkurdu]

So many false claims in this thread. First of all, most of the averages on Gedmatch are somewhat off. I have collected over 80 Assyrian Gedmatch kits and only one or two score over 50% Caucasus in Dodecad K12b. The Assyrian Caucasus average is around 46-48%. That's why many Western Armenians are close to the (inaccurate)average on Gedmatch.
Second of all there's considerable difference when it comes to uniparental markers between us and Armenians, they lack as an example several subclades under J1 related to various Semitic migrations to Mespotamia. Other than that, ofc there will be similarites between us that can be explained by ancient shared ancestry rather than intermarriage or assimiliation. Religion has shaped the genetic landcape of Western Asia. The muslims of our area smoothly form a continuity autosomally speaking, just like in most of Europe. Meanwhile the non-Muslim minorities also form a relatively uniform continuity. We Assyrians lie in between the Mandeans and Iraqi Jews of southern Mesopotamia on one hand and the Western Armenians on the other hand. Matching geography pretty well. This has probably nothing to do with intermarriage, as we have had no contact with Mandeans and most Assyrians of Iraq had no contact with Armenians either until very recently.

As for the Steppe/IE admixture in Armenians I would guess that it ranges from 6-12% depending on what Steppe source we are talking about(Middle-Late Bronze Age or Early Bronze Age).

Yamnaya is 0%. I've haven't tried other Indo-European cultures.

I did not use the MDLP's Assyrian average. I used individual results for the oracle of Western Armenians. They are very close to you.

[Austrvegr]

Both Armenians and Assyrians are Hurrians under the Hood.

[FinalFlash]

Yamnaya is 0%. I've haven't tried other Indo-European cultures.

I did not use the MDLP's Assyrian average. I used individual results for the oracle of Western Armenians. They are very close to you.

He is saying that the Assyrian average reference is inaccurate you dolt.

[Aren]

Yamnaya is 0%. I've haven't tried other Indo-European cultures.

I did not use the MDLP's Assyrian average. I used individual results for the oracle of Western Armenians. They are very close to you.

No it isn't. Yamnaya is probably 5-6%, but that's not important because it wasn't a purely Yamnaya/Steppe_EBA population that contributed to the Armenian gene pool nor that brought proto-Armenian to the Armenian highlands. Probably a population related to Mycenaeans from the Balkans or maybe Yamnaya + Kura Araxes/Maykop mix from the north

What individual results? What Assyrian kits do you have? Not that it matters cause I've made an average of over 80 Assyrian kits and the distance is relatively larger than the Dodecad average, to Western Armenians.

[Tigranes]

Both Armenians and Assyrians are Hurrians under the Hood.

You forgot to mention Urartians.

[FinalFlash]

No it isn't. Yamnaya is probably 5-6%, but that's not important because it wasn't a purely Yamnaya/Steppe_EBA population that contributed to the Armenian gene pool nor that brought proto-Armenian to the Armenian highlands. Probably a population related to Mycenaeans from the Balkans or maybe Yamnaya + Kura Araxes mix from the north

What individual results? What Assyrian kits do you have? Not that it matters cause I've made an average of over 80 Assyrian kits and the distance is relatively larger than the Dodecad average, to Western Armenians.

He fails to understand that this supposed proto-Armenian was largely CHG infused with some Steppe admix. He probably thinks they were this Norwegian-like people

[Karkurdu]

No it isn't. Yamnaya is probably 5-6%, but that's not important because it wasn't a purely Yamnaya/Steppe_EBA population that contributed to the Armenian gene pool nor that brought proto-Armenian to the Armenian highlands. Probably a population related to Mycenaeans from the Balkans or maybe Yamnaya + Kura Araxes mix from the north

What individual results? What Assyrian kits do you have? Not that it matters cause I've made an average of over 80 Assyrian kits and the distance is relatively larger than the Dodecad average, to Western Armenians.

Dude, how do you prove that they have Indo-European admixture exactly then? It's all some theories. I know they are not directly related to Yamnaya, bu the retards here saying they are by posting shitty obscure results of so called Armenians scoring Yamnaya.

I have around 8 random Assyrians kits. Are you talking about the ADMIXTURE chart of Dodecad? I just put it there to show the resemblance. Not much important Check out the oracle I posted based on K23b.

[oszkar07]

Both Armenians and Assyrians are Hurrians under the Hood.

Probably some truth in that.

[Austrvegr]

You forgot to mention Urartians.

Urartians are a subset of Hurrians.

[archangel]

Both Armenians and Assyrians are cool and ancient people, i am sorry for my countrymen to open troll threads like this,

İşin gücün yok mu amk?

[Karkurdu]

Both Armenians and Assyrians are cool and ancient people, i am sorry for my countrymen to open troll threads like this,

İşin gücün yok mu amk?

If you stopped sucking cock, get lost of my thread.

[Tigranes]

If you stopped sucking cock, get lost of my thread.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/70/8c/07/708c0733d200ede484d848dea0dcd9fe--funny-computer-home-computer.jpg

[Sikeliot]

If anything Assyrians are more likely to be part Armenian than the reverse.

[Karkurdu]

If anything Assyrians are more likely to be part Armenian than the reverse.

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[Neowarior]

LMAO

[Mesoman]

So many false claims in this thread. First of all, most of the averages on Gedmatch are somewhat off. I have collected over 80 Assyrian Gedmatch kits and only one or two score over 50% Caucasus in Dodecad K12b. The Assyrian Caucasus average is around 46-48%. That's why many Western Armenians are close to the (inaccurate)average on Gedmatch.
Second of all there's considerable difference when it comes to uniparental markers between us and Armenians, they lack as an example several subclades under J1 related to various Semitic migrations to Mespotamia. Other than that, ofc there will be similarites between us that can be explained by ancient shared ancestry rather than intermarriage or assimiliation. Religion has shaped the genetic landcape of Western Asia. The muslims of our area smoothly form a continuity autosomally speaking, just like in most of Europe. Meanwhile the non-Muslim minorities also form a relatively uniform continuity. We Assyrians lie in between the Mandeans and Iraqi Jews of southern Mesopotamia on one hand and the Western Armenians on the other hand. Matching geography pretty well. This has probably nothing to do with intermarriage, as we have had no contact with Mandeans and most Assyrians of Iraq had no contact with Armenians either until very recently.

As for the Steppe/IE admixture in Armenians I would guess that it ranges from 6-12% depending on what Steppe source we are talking about(Middle-Late Bronze Age or Early Bronze Age).

Iraqi Jews plot a bit north to the saudi arabia- iraqi border and mandeans plot east to that. In reality, kurdish jews are the closest people to mandeans, however since iraqi jews are around 40% levantine and the rest mesopotamian makes me question the mandean genetic composition since they plot just east to iraqi jews. As for assyrians, their closest population is either azeri jewish or georgian jewish.