Are North Italians Cisalpine Gauls ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Genetically speaking.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[JMack]

Mostly a mix between Neolithic Farmers, Celtic tribes (which absorbed tons of neolithic blood), Italic tribes and Germanic tribes.

[manu15151513]

Wolfgang Haak estimated at 25% ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Northern Italians from Bergamo.
The Indo-European people from which the northern Italians mainly descend are the Paleovenetians and the Celts. Considering that the above estimates also reflect the genetic influences of peoples remotely connected to the Indo-Europeans that have influenced during the medieval period or during the Roman period, I think it is reasonable to think that the Celtic genetic heritage is close to 16%, at least the pure Heritage.

Beware of the stupid who spend all the time in this forum and do not even know the basic concepts of the topics that are here preponderately treated.

[Sizzo]

Which is the best Gedmatch calculator to determine the "Indo-European" genetic inheritance?

[Sizzo]

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[Token]

Mostly a mixture between local North Italian Beakers, later Gaulish and Germanic invaders and Roman colonizers.


Which is the best Gedmatch calculator to determine the "Indo-European" genetic inheritance?

Global25, though it will cost you some money.

[Ibericus]

Depends also which north-italians (Aostans for instance are much closer to French) but in general North-Italian plot between French and South-Central Italians (with North-East Italy shifting towards Balkans/Central-Europe) :

https://i.ibb.co/S72ZXNY/crdHQIk.png

[Sizzo]

I think that, globally, the north of Italy is more similar to the Iberians than to the French (also southern); the Alps acted as a genetic barrier and "Padania" is very Neolithic.

[JMack]

I think that, globally, the north of Italy is more similar to the Iberians than to the French (also southern); the Alps acted as a genetic barrier and "Padania" is very Neolithic.

I agree in parts. That's why I said N. Italians are a mix of neolithic farmers + Celts + Italics + Germanics in different ratios depending on the region and even the individual.

But there are some regions of NE.Italy like Trento/Bolzano/Triveneto with C. Euro shift and places like Aosta with French shift. I'm around 50% ''North Italian'' (the rest being Portuguese, S. Italian and Tyrolean/Austrian) and I get both French/Eastern Iberians (Catalonia/Valencia) and Romanians/Serbians in the top 5-10 of most calculators. I even plotted with the ''French'' sample in a calculator but that's probably the Tyrolean shifting me North.

[Sizzo]

I agree in parts. That's why I said N. Italians are a mix of neolithic farmers + Celts + Italics + Germanics in different ratios depending on the region and even the individual.

But there are some regions of NE.Italy like Trento/Bolzano/Triveneto with C. Euro shift and places like Aosta with French shift. I'm around 50% ''North Italian'' (the rest being Portuguese, S. Italian and Tyrolean/Austrian) and I get both French/Eastern Iberians (Catalonia/Valencia) and Romanians/Serbians in the top 5-10 of most calculators. I even plotted with the ''French'' sample in a calculator but that's probably the Tyrolean shifting me North.

Of course it depends, I don't consider Aosta because is more French than Italian. If you go with Piedmont, Liguria, Lombardy, Trentino, Veneto, Friul, Emilia and Romagna - in a weighted average because Trentino or Friul are small - I think that Iberia comes closer, in comparison with France. Po valley is very EEF.

[JMack]

Of course it depends, I don't consider Aosta because is more French than Italian. If you go with Piedmont, Liguria, Lombardy, Trentino, Veneto, Friul, Emilia and Romagna - in a weighted average because Trentino or Friul are small - I think that Iberia comes closer, in comparison with France. Po valley is very EEF.

Yeah, I agree (with exception of Trentino, I think Trentino is closer to Central Europeans than to Iberians).

[Sizzo]

Yeah, I agree (with exception of Trentino, I think Trentino is closer to Central Europeans than to Iberians).

Yes, the exception could be those areas with Central European influence (Piedmontese valleys, Canton Ticino, Trentino, northern Veneto and northern Friul, e.g. Vicenza zone). There are also several ethnic minorities of Germanic lineage around (Walser, Cimbri, Mocheni etc.). In other words the dichotomy is between the Alps and the plain (even if, for instance, Bergamask Alps seem quite conservative in a Neolithic way; the Bergamo sample comes from the mountains).