View Full Version : My DNA results doesn't make sense?
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 04:30 PM
I don't understand how i can be only 2% eastern european on AncestryDNA but i seem to be quarter eastern european on the other tests?
So am i quarter or am i not at all eastern european?
Any ideas?
https://i.imgur.com/5deWnVD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UZ2JCAi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MSu2KOy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3OyfNBE.jpg
nittionia
03-03-2019, 04:33 PM
Idk Ancestry sucks for me, I'd trust eurogenes K13/15 way more.
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 04:35 PM
Idk Ancestry sucks for me, I'd trust eurogenes K13/15 way more.
Really?
AncestryDNA recently had an update though to 16000 samples. You would think it would get more accurate? That's my thought atleast... lol :P
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 04:35 PM
You are too Beta to be a Slav and DNA results clearly show that.
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 04:37 PM
You are too Beta to be a Slav and DNA results clearly show that.
Pahaha, here we go again. This little croat trying to be tough guy bitch. That always writes "man" and "fucking" thinking hes cool.
Just fuck off this tread dude.
nittionia
03-03-2019, 04:37 PM
Really?
AncestryDNA recently had an update though to 16000 samples. You would think it would get more accurate? That's my thought atleast... lol :P
Well my 23andme and Ancestry were very different. My 23andme lines up with my eurogenes more. Idk I wouldn't recommend Ancestry to anyone lol
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 04:37 PM
You are too Beta to be a Slav and DNA results clearly show that.
And take ur balkan nose with you.
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 04:38 PM
Well my 23andme and Ancestry were very different. My 23andme lines up with my eurogenes more. Idk I wouldn't recommend Ancestry to anyone lol
Oh okay. Interresting. :) Thanks for the input though.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 04:41 PM
Pahaha, here we go again. This little croat trying to be tough guy bitch. That always writes "man" and "fucking" thinking hes cool.
Just fuck off this tread dude.
I don't like wannabees. Compare with my score:
http://oi66.tinypic.com/343oizk.jpg
Genetic overlap between Germanic Europe and Eastern Europe maybe? What is your exact ancestry?
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 04:43 PM
And take ur balkan nose with you.
Damn, Danish bitch got mad. My Balkan nose is 10 times more Slav than you will ever be.
#RedPill
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 04:46 PM
Genetic overlap between Germanic Europe and Eastern Europe maybe? What is your exact ancestry?
Yeah i guess. Well it's 75% danish 25% West prussian(theory is that it is polish)
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 04:53 PM
Germanic Europe includes reference populations from Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia and Vojvodinia in Serbia, so it isn't a pure German reference pop and likely holds some of your slavic. I would take any results as a mixed person from ancestrydna with a pinch of salt. Look at this guys results.
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/4umRAb-BC0wxLup6VBPWbNAGpIMfFNcFehDyDkpdC-E/%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D cd0faf051ee887ad962bebed9c4f500c4a643267/https/preview.redd.it/jny0hyyp5ng21.jpg?width=300&height=300
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 04:59 PM
Germanic Europe includes reference populations from Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia and Vojvodinia in Serbia, so it isn't a pure German reference pop and likely holds some of your slavic.
It doesn't. It just includes some of these in the map but none of reference populations are from there.
There are 13 regions where reference populations are from Germanic Europe and none of these are in non Germanic lands.
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:00 PM
It doesn't. It just includes some of these in the map but none of reference populations are from there.
There are 14 regions where reference populations are from Germanic Europe and none of these are in non Germanic lands.
Look at his gedmatch, Swedish + few percent Caucasus, not much Slavic there.
It does; I emailed them and they told me this.
There's results on the reddit of people who are half spanish half English getting 80% French. Look at the result above I posted; the guy received 79% of his mothers dna on ancestrydna. It speaks for itself.
nittionia
03-03-2019, 05:02 PM
Yeah my central euro has a tendency to be taken as "Germanic" or vice versa. Also it can be hard to differentiate Scandinavian populations from other NW euro regions, so I have had massive flips in % between those two. This can be said for any testing service though, even my 23andme.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 05:03 PM
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https://i.imgur.com/C4YbhRa.png
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:04 PM
https://i.imgur.com/C4YbhRa.png
No; they have actual slavic populations in their reference bank. It states it on there website and I have emailed them and they told me as such.
This is besides my point; do you think the result I linked above is normal? Ancestrydna is famously bad for people of mixed european heritage.
nittionia
03-03-2019, 05:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ebhDmT7.png
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:05 PM
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/4umRAb-BC0wxLup6VBPWbNAGpIMfFNcFehDyDkpdC-E/%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D cd0faf051ee887ad962bebed9c4f500c4a643267/https/preview.redd.it/jny0hyyp5ng21.jpg?width=300&height=300
Someone explain logically how a person can receive 79% of his mothers dna on ancestrydna.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 05:06 PM
No; they have actual slavic populations in their reference bank. It states it on there website and I have emailed them and they told me as such.
This is besides my point; do you think the result I linked above is normal? Ancestrydna is famously bad for people of mixed european heritage.
Why would somebody include Croats in ''Germanic Europe'' when they are almost completely free of such admixture ? Sounds lunatic.
And if they were included, why aren't they included in these regions ?
Yes I am aware your results suck.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 05:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ebhDmT7.png
This is just a map, not a map of reference samples. Eastern Europe includes Central Asia and there are no reference samples taken from there.
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:09 PM
Why would somebody include Croats in ''Germanic Europe'' when they are almost completely free of such admixture ? Sounds lunatic.
And if they were included, why aren't they included in these regions ?
Yes I am aware your results suck.
They listed to me in email these as reference pops.
"The DNA also matches the surrounding areas of Belgium, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Poland, Denmark, Slovakia, Croatia and Hungary."
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 05:10 PM
They listed to me in email these as reference pops.
"The DNA also matches the surrounding areas of Belgium, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Poland, Denmark, Slovakia, Croatia and Hungary."
I think it means people from these countries can get Germanic DNA (like I do), not that reference samples are from there.
nittionia
03-03-2019, 05:13 PM
The way they group Germanic is odd imo (not mine):
https://i.imgur.com/gmy4UxY.png
https://i.imgur.com/waGEpWS.png
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:14 PM
I think it means people from these countries can get Germanic DNA (like I do), not that reference samples are from there.
No there's actual reference samples from there and they explained this to me in the email, they said the reference base includes Germany, but those reference pops. Why are you taking his results as god anyway? Once again this isn't the main point I'm trying to make, go take 5 minutes and look through the ancestrydna reddit; mixed euro results never make sense. How can someone be 79% of their mothers finnish dna when their father is 0% finnish?
Coastal Elite
03-03-2019, 05:15 PM
Really?
AncestryDNA recently had an update though to 16000 samples. You would think it would get more accurate? That's my thought atleast... lol :P
The AncestryDNA calculator isn't very good but I believe their raw data is quite good. Their calculator will get better with time. In the meantime, I would look at the results of other calculators using your raw data. They did give me very clear results for my Irish half but that because that half is heavily inbred Cork Irish that are easier to identify than most in the British Isles.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
03-03-2019, 05:15 PM
No there's actual reference samples from there and they explained this to me in the email, they said the reference base includes Germany, but those reference pops. Why are you taking his results as god anyway? Once again this isn't the main point I'm trying to make, go take 5 minutes and look through the ancestrydna reddit; mixed euro results never make sense. How can someone be 79% of their mothers finnish dna when their father is 0% finnish?
If they do that, than Ancestry is complete trash and we should get our money back.
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:17 PM
If they do that, than Ancestry is complete trash and we should get our money back.
It's not as bad for people who aren't diversely mixed. The other day I viewed a reddit post; the poster had one fully mexican parent, one fully english parent both tested; they received 80% English on their own results. 80% from one parent. The OP should take 23andme IMO.
Erronkari
03-03-2019, 05:19 PM
In my humble opinion 23andme and K13/K15 Gedmatch are far more accurate than Ancestry.
Always I find people disagreeing to their results in Ancestry, FTDNA and My Heritage.
Which is better regarding Ancestry is its Raw Data (same to FTDNA's), when you upload it in other calcs, % sounds quite accurate.
And in the other side 23andme's v5 Raw Data doesn't seem good.
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:20 PM
In my humble opinion 23andme and K13/K15 Gedmatch are more accurate than Ancestry.
Always I find people disagreeing to their results in Ancestry, FTDNA and My Heritage.
Which is better regarding Ancestry is its Raw Data (same to FTDNA's), when you upload it in other calcs, % sounds quite accurate.
And in the other side 23andme's v5 Raw Data doesn't seem good.
The raw data is good and the one saving grace of ancestrydna; k13.
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 1.658784
Erronkari
03-03-2019, 05:22 PM
The AncestryDNA calculator isn't very good but I believe their raw data is quite good. Their calculator will get better with time. In the meantime, I would look at the results of other calculators using your raw data. They did give me very clear results for my Irish half but that because that half is heavily inbred Cork Irish that are easier to identify than most in the British Isles.
I haven't seen your comment hehe.
I just said almost the same to you.
Totally agree.
Erronkari
03-03-2019, 05:23 PM
The raw data is good and the one saving grace of ancestrydna; k13.
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 1.658784
Exactly! ;)
Coastal Elite
03-03-2019, 05:27 PM
In my humble opinion 23andme and K13/K15 Gedmatch are far more accurate than Ancestry.
Always I find people disagreeing to their results in Ancestry, FTDNA and My Heritage.
Which is better regarding Ancestry is its Raw Data (same to FTDNA's), when you upload it in other calcs, % sounds quite accurate.
And in the other side 23andme's v5 Raw Data doesn't seem good.
I honestly would rather have AncesrtyDNAs good raw data vs 23andme's accurate calculator and bad raw data. Seems like you can do a heck of a lot more with good raw data. I think people are too fixated on a single calculator.
Yeah i guess. Well it's 75% danish 25% West prussian(theory is that it is polish)
Another possibility is that your ancestor was not as Slavic as you think.
Luke35
03-03-2019, 05:36 PM
Why would somebody include Croats in ''Germanic Europe'' when they are almost completely free of such admixture ? Sounds lunatic.
And if they were included, why aren't they included in these regions ?
Yes I am aware your results suck.
It seems to me like they are just covering their asses. If they assign 'Germanic Europe' to a Slavic person, when the individual then questions their results Ancestry can just point you to their expanded Germanic Europe range map. The expanded version of the Germanic Europe map should be re-titled as "Most of Europe" lol.
nittionia
03-03-2019, 05:39 PM
Matxe do 23andme. I have a 100% Swedish friend from Skåne area and after the latest update all of the British went away and replaced with Scandinavian (Swedish and Danish) with a couple % Irish.
nittionia
03-03-2019, 05:40 PM
It seems to me like they are just covering their asses. If they assign 'Germanic Europe' to a Slavic person, when the individual then questions their results Ancestry can just point you to their expanded Germanic Europe range map. The expanded version of the Germanic Europe map should be re-titled as "Most of Europe" lol.
FTDNA does the same thing grouping west and central europe together lol: "The West and Central Europe cluster consists of present day countries of France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, and Germany."
Ayetooey
03-03-2019, 05:42 PM
FTDNA does the same thing grouping west and central europe together lol: "The West and Central Europe cluster consists of present day countries of France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, and Germany."
Yeah it's pretty broad that category west central europe; I've seen pure blooded British, North Italian, Poles, Serbs etc, all score amounts of west central europe on FTDNA; basically covers everywhere.
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 05:49 PM
Another possibility is that your ancestor was not as Slavic as you think.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Although in your case I would be willing to bet that ancestry is a big pile of doo doo, considering your ftdna and gedmatch.
GreentheViper
03-03-2019, 06:01 PM
I've heard that Ancestry isn't great for mixed people, even simply mixed Euro ethnicities.
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 06:15 PM
Although in your case I would be willing to bet that ancestry is a big pile of doo doo, considering your ftdna and gedmatch.
What im thinking is that under all circumstances i have "some" slavic in me.
It's more a question of whether it's 25% as it should be or less.
If your grandparent was German-speaking, then it's probably safe to assume he or she wasn't fully Slavic genetically.
Matxe92
03-03-2019, 07:02 PM
If your grandparent was German-speaking, then it's probably safe to assume he or she wasn't fully Slavic genetically.
They were. And yeah, probably.
Grace O'Malley
03-04-2019, 06:48 AM
The AncestryDNA calculator isn't very good but I believe their raw data is quite good. Their calculator will get better with time. In the meantime, I would look at the results of other calculators using your raw data. They did give me very clear results for my Irish half but that because that half is heavily inbred Cork Irish that are easier to identify than most in the British Isles.
The Irish aren't that inbred Daco Celtic. They just have a lot of samples and are very good at picking up Irish and also getting the correct GCs. I have a study on populations that share the most IBD and it's not the Irish. :p
Peterski
03-04-2019, 06:52 AM
You should test your parents and grandparents if possible.
Peterski
03-05-2019, 01:29 PM
What do you score in DNA Land?
Matxe92
03-05-2019, 01:31 PM
You should test your parents and grandparents if possible.
Yeah. I just can't spend that kind of money atm being a student. Would love to though.
Matxe92
03-05-2019, 01:32 PM
What do you score in DNA Land?
https://i.imgur.com/o91qcUN.jpg
They were. And yeah, probably.
What is your percentage of Baltic on K13 and Baltic & Eastern Euro on K15?
Matxe92
03-05-2019, 02:58 PM
What is your percentage of Baltic on K13 and Baltic & Eastern Euro on K15?
k13:
Baltic: 32,04
k15:
Baltic: 15,45
Eastern euro: 13
k13:
Baltic: 32,04
k15:
Baltic: 15,45
Eastern euro: 13
Some legit Eastern European ancestry.
Peterski
03-05-2019, 05:00 PM
Some legit Eastern European ancestry.
Yes, someone fully Western Polish can have ~40% Baltic in K13. And 32% is East German average.
Danish average is ca. 26-27% according to the spreadsheet.
If his three Danish grandparents have below 30%, then his 4th grandparent must have over 40%.
Luke35
03-05-2019, 05:01 PM
k13:
Baltic: 32,04
k15:
Baltic: 15,45
Eastern euro: 13
That shite is legit. You out score me here, yet on Ancestry I have 35% East Euro, 3% Baltic , 2% Balkan...
Matxe92
03-05-2019, 06:17 PM
Yes, someone fully Western Polish can have ~40% Baltic in K13. And 32% is East German average.
Danish average is ca. 26-27% according to the spreadsheet.
If his three Danish grandparents have below 30%, then his 4th grandparent must have over 40%.
Isnt the "baltic" in eurogenes a reference for all countries that border the baltic sea? or am i wrong? lol.
Matxe92
03-05-2019, 06:18 PM
Yes, someone fully Western Polish can have ~40% Baltic in K13. And 32% is East German average.
Danish average is ca. 26-27% according to the spreadsheet.
If his three Danish grandparents have below 30%, then his 4th grandparent must have over 40%.
Can you link/send me the danish references mate? It would be cool to compare tbh. :)
Peterski
03-06-2019, 10:16 PM
Can you link/send me the danish references mate? It would be cool to compare tbh. :)
It is available online, you just need to click "Spreadsheet" on GEDmatch when you check your Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions:
Population North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea (...)
Danish 50.04 26.61 10.43 5.69 3.61 0.25 1.86 0.20 0.27 0.36 0.20 0.36 0.10
^^^
This shows you what are average admixture percentages for Danish people. High "Baltic" scores are associated with Balts and Slavs.
Isnt the "baltic" in eurogenes a reference for all countries that border the baltic sea?
No, "Baltic" admixture peaks in Balts (Lithuanians etc.) and is also high among Slavic nations, who are closely related to Lithuanians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Balto-Slavic_language
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