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Gallop
06-23-2020, 06:31 PM
Mi resultado con esta muestra de agricultores ganaderos neolíticos
I0412 Troc5/Espagne neolithique M471235
GEDmatch® Q-Matching One-to-One Comparison - V1.0
Software Version May 25 2020 18:28:07
Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M471235 (I0412 SpainEN) [Migration - V3 - M]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 5.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 5.98
Largest segment cM: 5.98
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.16
..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
Comparison took 0.726 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.723 cpu seconds.
Gallop
06-23-2020, 06:58 PM
Software Version May 25 2020 1807
Comparing Kit GGGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M276583 (la Braña WHG) [Migration - V3 - M]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 2.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 10.02
Largest segment cM: 2.91
Total segments: 4
Total gap-induced breaks: 2
Max gap: 2.16
..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
Top 10 Q scores:
Q-score: 25.00
Q-score: 12.00
Q-score: 8.00
Q-score: 0.00
Comparison took 0.902 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.885 cpu seconds.
Ver: May 25 2020 1807
Software Version May 25 2020 1807
Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M236020 (Villabruna Epigravettian) [Migration - V3 - M]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 4.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 4.26
Largest segment cM: 4.26
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.20
..... gap: 44866028-71040170 on chromosome 9
Comparison took 0.751 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.738 cpu seconds.
Ver: May 25 2020 180
Software Version May 25 2020 1807
Comparing Kit GGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and T882519 (Iceman_2) [Migration - F2 - T]
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 7.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 7.54
Largest segment cM: 7.54
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 11
Max gap: 10.16
..... gap: 28097278-33277809 on chromosome 15
Comparison took 0.638 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.635 cpu seconds.
Ver: May 25 2020 1807
Software Version May 25 2020 18:28:07
Comparing Kit GGGGGG (Gallop) [FTDNA] and M471235 (I0412 SpainEN) [Migration - V3 - M]
Els Trocs
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 5.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cM's
All SNPs used.
Total cM: 5.98
Largest segment cM: 5.98
Total segments: 1
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.16
..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9
I have observed that I get La Braña, Villabruna and Trocs on chromosome 9 and if I go to the MTA chroma I see that I have the Kent bronze sample previously there was a segment on chromosome 9 with a frank sample as in MTA they come and go, now I have this.
Any suggestion?
Is it possible that the mix between hunter-gatherers and farmers occurred soon?
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Gallop
06-27-2020, 09:38 PM
Let's review my Neolithic
Romania, Podolia and Rusia, mind you, the first time I took it out.
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Gallop
07-11-2020, 02:26 PM
More NO Results
I do not need any application to know that I do not get results with Guanche unless it was mixed with Iberian and not with Tarofalt.
In this case, there is no correspondence with Guanche either, so I do not know what has been done in any application so that the Spanish seem to be paying for the results with Tarofalt or Guanche when these results say otherwise.
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As you can see I don't get results so I'm not going to swallow something that isn't. If it is, it is, but if it is not, it is not.
Gallop
09-26-2020, 01:01 PM
Updating my results in My Origins in FTDNA
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Gallop
10-31-2020, 07:00 PM
Updating the theme
From New Deep Dives in recent weeks
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Gallop
11-07-2020, 01:12 AM
Three of my last new Deep Dives at MTA
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And new matches:
And new matches. Let's see if I don't repeat because there are so many samples already, right
12. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.46 - I3590
38. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - MOK15
43. Copper Age Prague Kobylisy Czech
2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.67 - I4890
45. Belgic Tribe Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.77 - COL153i
47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
48. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - MOK10
83. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310
90. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.5 - MOK18
111. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.98 - MOK27
137. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.8 - MOK20
169. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.66 - SX20
174. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291
178. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - I7457
179. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.97 - R1
201. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.49 - MOK14
279. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.68 - MOK21
303. Viking Settler Erik the Red Farm Greenland
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - VK193
330. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.13 - MOK9
345. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c
346. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.53 - VK362
354. Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - VK276
356. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.66 - HinxtonO2
359. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - VK269
363. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - VK267
372. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - MOK28
382. Bronze Age Yarnton Oxfordshire England
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - I2446
383. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
384. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
385. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
391. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.49 - MOK23
393. Proto-Celtic Child Bronze Age Wehringen
1957 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.53 - WEHR_1415child
397. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - VK266
400. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - R106
402. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A
403. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I8136
404. Bell Beaker England
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.82 - I1767
412. Late Neolithic Auvernier Switzerland
2734 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - MX304
414. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
416. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.07 - PCA157_Mar6
420. Bronze Age Valencia Lloma de Betxi
1841 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.18 - I3997
421. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.2 - G120
423. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
424. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I2653
425. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.25 - I7211
Gota_type_
11-07-2020, 04:34 PM
Three of my last new Deep Dives at MTA
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E07D-lZDe4I/X6X6MXmP8iI/AAAAAAAAErQ/KOVXHJ_z2xgPO7kM-0XtIEk_rp10Rmg7QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1313/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG
23.25 - I7211
Interesting. You share 85cM with a viking? and with a largest segment of 35cM?
This is too much. It is obvious that you descend from him (or someone related with him), so he is your family.
Even in gedmatch the largest segment I get from someone alive is 18cM, and the total cM is like 26cM or something like that.
Either you have been very lucky with that match or they are using other kind of parametrización but sharing 85cM with someone that died 1000 years ago is impressive.
Ahora te toca ver cómo llegaron los vikingos a Andalucía, o bien como los que en las crónicas llamaban "eslavos" que incluían gentes de muchas nacionalidades, incluyendo nórdicos, o cómo jefe de algún reino de taifas (alguno fue "eslavo), o bien por las incursiones que hicieron por el Guadalquivir. A saber.
Gaditanian
11-08-2020, 05:22 PM
Ahora te toca ver cómo llegaron los vikingos a Andalucía, o bien como los que en las crónicas llamaban "eslavos" que incluían gentes de muchas nacionalidades, incluyendo nórdicos, o cómo jefe de algún reino de taifas (alguno fue "eslavo), o bien por las incursiones que hicieron por el Guadalquivir. A saber.
De ser descendiente de vikingos en el caso de Andalucía debe partir del tercio norte peninsular.
Es algo difícil asimilar para el inconsciente colectivo debido al machaque continuo durante generaciones de asociar Al-Andalus con Andalucía, pero descendientes de esos andalusíes en Andalucía debe ser una minoría que no llegue al 5%, estando la inmensa mayoría de ellos en Marruecos.
Se estima que en Marruecos existen alrededor de 5 millones de descendientes andalusíes fruto de las continuas expulsiones o desplazamiento de las poblaciones moriscas a lo largo de la Reconquista.
Andalucía es el lugar de encuentro de todos los pueblos del tercio norte peninsular, en la que puedes encontrar desde apellidos gallegos, a vascos o catalanes, yo mismo tirando de memoria de antiguos compañeros de colegio o instituto puedo recordar apellidos como Ossorio, Treviño o Lloret.
Gota_type_
11-13-2020, 10:16 PM
De ser descendiente de vikingos en el caso de Andalucía debe partir del tercio norte peninsular.
Es algo difícil asimilar para el inconsciente colectivo debido al machaque continuo durante generaciones de asociar Al-Andalus con Andalucía, pero descendientes de esos andalusíes en Andalucía debe ser una minoría que no llegue al 5%, estando la inmensa mayoría de ellos en Marruecos.
Se estima que en Marruecos existen alrededor de 5 millones de descendientes andalusíes fruto de las continuas expulsiones o desplazamiento de las poblaciones moriscas a lo largo de la Reconquista.
Andalucía es el lugar de encuentro de todos los pueblos del tercio norte peninsular, en la que puedes encontrar desde apellidos gallegos, a vascos o catalanes, yo mismo tirando de memoria de antiguos compañeros de colegio o instituto puedo recordar apellidos como Ossorio, Treviño o Lloret.
No, sí lo sé perfectamente. Yo soy el principal defensor de la teoría de que lo de Al Andalus está sobredimensionado en el imaginario colectivo de una manera brutal. Estoy seguro que en el 95% de los núcleos de población de Andalucía bajo el dominio del islam (en las 4-5 capitales) no se vio a un moro en la vida. Lo mismo que cuando los Romanos. Serían como mucho el 1% de la población (unos cuantos comerciantes, algún italiano, y muchos militares y burócratas y sólo en algunos puntos de población concretos).
Pero que compartas 85cM con un vikingo me parece una burrada. No sé, habría que ver con otros españoles cómo tendrían esa comparación y qué resultado les daría. Lo digo porque mis gedmatch actuales (con personas vivas) mi máximo son 26cM o algo así, y de ahí para abajo hasta 7cM. Y estoy hablando de cientos de personas con las que comparto pequeños segmentos que seguramente sean de hace 2000-3000 años. Me hice el BigY y me dijeron que no hay nadie en su base de datos vinculado a mí en los últimos 2500 años. Así que o realmente desciendes de algún vikingo o normando (incluso en AlAndalus hubo "eslavos" que eran nórdicos y que dirigieron alguna taifa), o a saber, pero lo q me sorprende es los 85cM. Es una burrada e implicaría una cercanía en el tiempo relativamente corta (hablo de 300 años o menos).
Gallop
11-14-2020, 10:44 AM
Interesting. You share 85cM with a viking? and with a largest segment of 35cM?
This is too much. It is obvious that you descend from him (or someone related with him), so he is your family.
Even in gedmatch the largest segment I get from someone alive is 18cM, and the total cM is like 26cM or something like that.
Either you have been very lucky with that match or they are using other kind of parametrización but sharing 85cM with someone that died 1000 years ago is impressive.
Ahora te toca ver cómo llegaron los vikingos a Andalucía, o bien como los que en las crónicas llamaban "eslavos" que incluían gentes de muchas nacionalidades, incluyendo nórdicos, o cómo jefe de algún reino de taifas (alguno fue "eslavo), o bien por las incursiones que hicieron por el Guadalquivir. A saber.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OB2-ZulgbE/X6--K7GN6WI/AAAAAAAAEso/Y-so7hLjDloghS_FsBIIrLXLZsGE8ne2QCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h294/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG
Now that I have been updated I am number one with a trophy with this sample. I am not really sure but that date seems to fit the time when the Vikings were in what is now Andalusia and it is documented that an undetermined group of Viking prisoners had to settle in the area; although how to know if it is the origin or is another. E1b1b1a1b1a - Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark (VK362)
In Medieval Ages I have these results
Medieval Age
5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.193 - I10895
14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
25. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
26. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.72 - R63
28. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
30. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.94 - R1221
47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
63. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
67. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.84 - R1289
76. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - R55
In modern times these are my results:
Early Modern Period
22. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.51 - LM_406_T
120. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137
156. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.35 - LM_306_T
167. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.58 - I7425
177. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - I3809
192. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.27 - LXVI
213. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116
226. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.92 - Marat
338. Oxford Infirmiary
1790 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - CSD
349. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c
Adamm
11-14-2020, 11:18 AM
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OB2-ZulgbE/X6--K7GN6WI/AAAAAAAAEso/Y-so7hLjDloghS_FsBIIrLXLZsGE8ne2QCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h294/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG
Now that I have been updated I am number one with a trophy with this sample. I am not really sure but that date seems to fit the time when the Vikings were in what is now Andalusia and it is documented that an undetermined group of Viking prisoners had to settle in the area; although how to know if it is the origin or is another. E1b1b1a1b1a - Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark (VK362)
In Medieval Ages I have these results
Medieval Age
5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.193 - I10895
14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
25. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
26. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.72 - R63
28. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
30. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.94 - R1221
47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
63. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
67. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.84 - R1289
76. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - R55
In modern times these are my results:
Early Modern Period
22. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.51 - LM_406_T
120. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137
156. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.35 - LM_306_T
167. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.58 - I7425
177. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - I3809
192. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.27 - LXVI
213. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116
226. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.92 - Marat
338. Oxford Infirmiary
1790 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - CSD
349. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c
This sample is also on Yfull:
https://i.imgur.com/E7w2R3Z.png
(R1A)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/r1a/
Gallop
11-14-2020, 12:01 PM
This sample is also on Yfull:
https://i.imgur.com/E7w2R3Z.png
(R1A)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/r1a/
Yes I had read somewhere that it had been introduced in Y full
Although all this is largely autosomal my results with my own haplogroup are these:
E1b1b1a1b1 - Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10853)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (I7498)
E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (I12644)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada (I7457)
E1b - Medieval Tyrolian (SZ18)
E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada (I3981)
E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia (I12649)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo (SzKper239)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark (VK362)
E1b1b1b1 - Post-Reconquista Granada (I3807)
For example my outliers after Christ are these:
348. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)
373. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32
Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.339)
384. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43
Roman (Genetic match)
388. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
Celt + Gaul (10.61)
389. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
Celt + Sarmatian (5.804)
390. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
Gaul + Roman (8.486)
416. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)
429. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.06)
448. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36
Roman (Genetic match)
451. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120
Illyrian + Carthaginian (8.755
460. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970
Roman + Illyrian (5.741)
462. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.097)
463. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836
Philistine + Roman (9.784)
472. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113
Roman + Phoenician (7.366)
474. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2
Celt (Genetic match)
475. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973
Celt (6.145)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.439)
479. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118
Thracian + Illyrian (6.652)
Roman + Illyrian (6.785)
480. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.168)
484. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001
Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)
Alemanni + Frank (10.91)
487. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14
Viking Danish + Longobard (4.033)
491. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031
Y-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Scythian + Gaul (6.59)
Scythian + Frank (7.649)
Scythian + Thuringii (7.837)
Gaul (8.718)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.924)
Y-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Gaul + Thuringii (8.966)
Thuringii (11.34)
Scythian (11.65)
Frank (11.78)
Visigoth (13.6)
493. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163
Visigoth (Genetic match)
494. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32
Celt + Belgae (4.283)
498. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.42 - SZ42
Celt + Saxon (2.721)
Viking Danish + Celt (3.032)
How do you see it?
Adamm
11-14-2020, 12:13 PM
Yes I had read somewhere that it had been introduced in Y full
Although all this is largely autosomal my results with my own haplogroup are these:
E1b1b1a1b1 - Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10853)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (I7498)
E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (I12644)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada (I7457)
E1b - Medieval Tyrolian (SZ18)
E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada (I3981)
E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia (I12649)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo (SzKper239)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219)
E1b1b1a1b1a - Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark (VK362)
E1b1b1b1 - Post-Reconquista Granada (I3807)
For example my outliers after Christ are these:
348. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)
373. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32
Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.339)
384. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43
Roman (Genetic match)
388. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
Celt + Gaul (10.61)
389. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
Celt + Sarmatian (5.804)
390. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
Gaul + Roman (8.486)
416. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)
429. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.06)
448. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36
Roman (Genetic match)
451. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120
Illyrian + Carthaginian (8.755
460. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970
Roman + Illyrian (5.741)
462. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.097)
463. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836
Philistine + Roman (9.784)
472. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113
Roman + Phoenician (7.366)
474. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2
Celt (Genetic match)
475. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973
Celt (6.145)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.439)
479. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118
Thracian + Illyrian (6.652)
Roman + Illyrian (6.785)
480. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.168)
484. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001
Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)
Alemanni + Frank (10.91)
487. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14
Viking Danish + Longobard (4.033)
491. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031
Y-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Scythian + Gaul (6.59)
Scythian + Frank (7.649)
Scythian + Thuringii (7.837)
Gaul (8.718)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.924)
Y-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Gaul + Thuringii (8.966)
Thuringii (11.34)
Scythian (11.65)
Frank (11.78)
Visigoth (13.6)
493. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163
Visigoth (Genetic match)
494. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32
Celt + Belgae (4.283)
498. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.42 - SZ42
Celt + Saxon (2.721)
Viking Danish + Celt (3.032)
How do you see it?
Well you're E-V22 which means it was probably introduced in Iberia during Phoenician or Roman rule and not later as E-V22 is very rare in North-West Africa (its Middle Eastern/Egyptian). Autosomally-wise you're just 'purely' Iberian and its not weird for Iberians to have high genetic afinity with Northern European peoples as is manifested in your MTA results. Celtic, Alemani, Visigoths also share common origins.
Three of my last new Deep Dives at MTA
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eVe0eSFUdPE/X6XsgiKRGpI/AAAAAAAAEq8/0jCgZuawqHoPsgemr7TYitmi6XNpv3JDwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1324/EarlyBronzeAgemokrinNecr%25C3%25B3polisSerbia1950b cMOK15.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a0FDls0fvNU/X6X5qPYRPRI/AAAAAAAAErI/NSrirL7PB4Iix9rH1XEkajmnOph9PYgCwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1314/EarlyBronzeAgemokrinNecr%25C3%25B3polisSerbia1950b cMOK10.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E07D-lZDe4I/X6X6MXmP8iI/AAAAAAAAErQ/KOVXHJ_z2xgPO7kM-0XtIEk_rp10Rmg7QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1313/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG
And new matches:
And new matches. Let's see if I don't repeat because there are so many samples already, right
12. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.46 - I3590
38. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - MOK15
43. Copper Age Prague Kobylisy Czech
2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.67 - I4890
45. Belgic Tribe Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.77 - COL153i
47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
48. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - MOK10
83. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310
90. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.5 - MOK18
111. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.98 - MOK27
137. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.8 - MOK20
169. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.66 - SX20
174. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291
178. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - I7457
179. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.97 - R1
201. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.49 - MOK14
279. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.68 - MOK21
303. Viking Settler Erik the Red Farm Greenland
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - VK193
330. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.13 - MOK9
345. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c
346. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.53 - VK362
354. Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - VK276
356. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.66 - HinxtonO2
359. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - VK269
363. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - VK267
372. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - MOK28
382. Bronze Age Yarnton Oxfordshire England
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - I2446
383. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
384. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
385. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
391. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.49 - MOK23
393. Proto-Celtic Child Bronze Age Wehringen
1957 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.53 - WEHR_1415child
397. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - VK266
400. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - R106
402. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A
403. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I8136
404. Bell Beaker England
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.82 - I1767
412. Late Neolithic Auvernier Switzerland
2734 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - MX304
414. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
416. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.07 - PCA157_Mar6
420. Bronze Age Valencia Lloma de Betxi
1841 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.18 - I3997
421. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.2 - G120
423. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
424. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I2653
425. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.25 - I7211
You're doing something wrong. There's no way anyone living can share that much with these samples.
Gaditanian
11-14-2020, 03:21 PM
Pero que compartas 85cM con un vikingo me parece una burrada. Es una burrada e implicaría una cercanía en el tiempo relativamente corta (hablo de 300 años o menos).
Desde mi total desconocimiento, ¿Cómo entonces explicas que yo comparta 79 cM con Oetzi si el murió hace miles de años?
https://i.ibb.co/LpYHLYX/oetzi.jpg
Gallop
11-14-2020, 11:27 PM
All my matches with Viking.
32 match is not bad at all
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-94RZIyk6V2A/X7BvixhzH5I/AAAAAAAAEs0/zh1Q83Dr1SYR2h457N_QB7VWNzVx_0uxQCLcBGAsYHQ/s358/viking47.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/---2Dfrt1i90/X7BvloquUlI/AAAAAAAAEs4/71VG_cD_WOYspx0VNlqZtxpQxv1EpvfTgCLcBGAsYHQ/s386/viking77.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LXFDEn-kPys/X7BvoVAiUoI/AAAAAAAAEs8/XbeKzwJC7144Uz_4hLIzYXGK7xpWMPa6gCLcBGAsYHQ/s329/viking97.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPDTusdKtsE/X7BvrFyyV7I/AAAAAAAAEtA/E39jpcAjM5wCJargCFzqQn03THCNr_2jwCLcBGAsYHQ/s379/viking111.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YJSiPSPT4zs/X7Bvt73ZvwI/AAAAAAAAEtE/loidufXGZ6Q3R22bRlFzWOakb6SmBryswCLcBGAsYHQ/s383/viking161.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nHkA1HrlSFc/X7BvwKSuS-I/AAAAAAAAEtI/LfCL4xZ2nQAF-6bKbaMrUoKGzYqvK6FEwCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/viking199.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QNWFW-tbhOw/X7BvyYhiegI/AAAAAAAAEtM/7CVRPCqxHQU8U1n6TaciHBWTuGApxagEACLcBGAsYHQ/s346/viking217.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FIxe5Zj8j4A/X7Bv0djhBVI/AAAAAAAAEtQ/JQvtcEFBZ4YTBGYKENXtLNgLmHtG3QPuwCLcBGAsYHQ/s281/viking239.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VugwuHf9zRU/X7Bv50DbqoI/AAAAAAAAEtc/mg5sCU_2EykWTvbxjOiLqyQt7D57PrxfwCLcBGAsYHQ/s302/viking242.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wb-Lg0Kwsa0/X7Bv8MrVInI/AAAAAAAAEtg/mcVxnh2j_psh8juDvLZeBsWWyXvo2IhWgCLcBGAsYHQ/s343/viking272.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pTTz1yoBnZ8/X7Bv-jIEOiI/AAAAAAAAEtk/0GQjTA3FB2oW_tJEwqfm97lmsWjvKHImwCLcBGAsYHQ/s418/viking307.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TOnysNRtnok/X7BwBD2k2dI/AAAAAAAAEto/nNCgZ1DHN0s94NLR2QxUswg3RZMueg3tACLcBGAsYHQ/s335/viking310.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b83gs4WVwxU/X7BwE0QHB3I/AAAAAAAAEts/nIRtsU6lnXcwDO5HQO0P5aJCyf7-dwCrwCLcBGAsYHQ/s348/viking323.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NRW51uUW5vI/X7BwHVOQfuI/AAAAAAAAEtw/nxPtgswGvW0duOMhz7azi3qS1Ow14wZ3gCLcBGAsYHQ/s340/viking331.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IKbDNbNNf9I/X7BwKCk1GYI/AAAAAAAAEt4/fVRGewjC_CE6-LVDIAF4A8-qQvkCuGpcgCLcBGAsYHQ/s408/viking350.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iWmYKAv3LSk/X7BwNLXBafI/AAAAAAAAEuA/Za_dZHoz1g8KEVGoB1RfDNSjnuJv5ss_QCLcBGAsYHQ/s341/viking359.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9_RUgx9KbVw/X7BwRrXMAnI/AAAAAAAAEuI/medG_gysBOUOt81ok9aQTiqeyo8xeVQxACLcBGAsYHQ/s289/viking361%252Cjpeg.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Wxg4LWXFYQ/X7Bw65VTQ_I/AAAAAAAAEuc/NPawXxIZlQ8EWW4u6neWfKeq2J29s6ZlACLcBGAsYHQ/s355/viking363.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7zbpbOANigA/X7Bw9V4KESI/AAAAAAAAEug/YSdIuygmdZgmmoIknp4jfeQzZB7ZW_AewCLcBGAsYHQ/s362/Viking367.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JsNWwCPaL-o/X7BxAIBRrDI/AAAAAAAAEuk/AixUmI2cGRIUBXvZTi9xFdtugXpan6YBQCLcBGAsYHQ/s366/viking383.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GkxfnBZ54QI/X7BxCz1eNcI/AAAAAAAAEuo/tOxp7b1mfnYK0jKd2h-12zxE28RW_PNjACLcBGAsYHQ/s327/viking391.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KklcXdDeSRA/X7BxFj_ROiI/AAAAAAAAEus/1nm5sJRjyZUJbxLt0yGT_0vS2UOtcN7xQCLcBGAsYHQ/s278/viking394.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lUjtkkQp-zs/X7BxLFJsUrI/AAAAAAAAEu0/-Odegl1e5skUiTCgGoOX_bxnW7hGb16xQCLcBGAsYHQ/s329/viking400.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mcdrIG_cDcw/X7BxNpLSnoI/AAAAAAAAEu4/xWkN6QTsq6QBtpzvpzocm9twhNEs1GRZACLcBGAsYHQ/s352/viking402.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Zo_xINdQ2qE/X7BxPg1bQEI/AAAAAAAAEu8/D1lmIPlH3U4-n1YifRRXY0e1d40JQHCcACLcBGAsYHQ/s301/viking403.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XY2zchKgeFk/X7BxSLsvdKI/AAAAAAAAEvA/THw8DJIA9WUEaQXKENIM-o_4I0MS_7XyACLcBGAsYHQ/s321/viking411.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EHXLuIemCwo/X7BxUtuC6vI/AAAAAAAAEvI/PhMlR7ecYrsMZ8CMx2VI0Nf-bkHNJ0B3QCLcBGAsYHQ/s325/viking414.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R8_MvueZa_Q/X7BxW2VCbJI/AAAAAAAAEvQ/he7M3xuzJ_I-8Fau5o5mM_GG6SlEKuTYACLcBGAsYHQ/s420/viking415.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Q5uB-nfkXc/X7BxZLaTUfI/AAAAAAAAEvU/BhDGL3-GTk4gLuUGKUrtJSDQHZ2zzl21gCLcBGAsYHQ/s338/viking420.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PkAdwbZT59M/X7BxbZP1-HI/AAAAAAAAEvc/WvbXo0fE-MAEgYa7d_-zPl81ojw0pbzgACLcBGAsYHQ/s264/viking423.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OB2-ZulgbE/X6--K7GN6WI/AAAAAAAAEso/Y-so7hLjDloghS_FsBIIrLXLZsGE8ne2QCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h294/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG
And these are all my matches with Vikings at the moment.
It is possible that there are more Deep Dives at times as you know they take a while to appear and then there is the question of the quality of the samples you know it depends on how complete they are we can lose a deep dive.
P.S.: Be sure to visit my thread: Andalusians, you know it's one of the best around.
The link is in my signature, thank you.:)
Gota_type_
11-15-2020, 06:34 PM
Desde mi total desconocimiento, ¿Cómo entonces explicas que yo comparta 79 cM con Oetzi si el murió hace miles de años?
https://i.ibb.co/LpYHLYX/oetzi.jpg
No sé qué compañía estáis utilizando ni sé qué metodología usa ni cuántos SNP´s meten para que den resultado por cM.
Quizá si utilizáis gedmatch (Gallop tb debería mirarlo) podáis tener algo más convergente con el resto de españoles (quizá porque los de la compañía vuestra digan que hay similitud si en 5cM compartís 100snp´s, cuando por ej. en gedmatch hay matches cuando tienes más de 7cM y un mínimo de 300 SNP´s).
Pero sí, es soprendente en ambos casos. En tu caso habría que ver si hay otros con esa compañía que dan más o menos que tú, o mucho menos. Es decir, cuál es la media normal de similitud de cualquier europeo actual con Oetzi.
Así que haced un One-to-One con esos kits en gedmatch y a ver cuántos cM os salen. No sé si está Oetzi en gedmatch, pero sí sé que hay algunos vikingos. Hace siglos que no me meto en gedmatch.
Tenma de Pegasus
11-15-2020, 07:15 PM
How can be iberians a mix of west europe with iberians?
Gallop
12-10-2020, 01:57 AM
My results with the Medieval period
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8oVU0WDCWtA/X9GOXKYhz2I/AAAAAAAAFJs/y2NTQ5E9f70xeizWOpNnMjIcRIVlkBDhgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1340/MedievalAgeDiembre2020.jpg
Medieval Age
5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.193 - I10895
Visigoth + Vascones (4.831)
Visigoth + Aquitani (5.069)
Vascones + Gallo-Roman (5.148)
Visigoth (5.682)
Visigoth + Iberian (5.797)
Aquitani + Gallo-Roman (5.961)
Iberian (7.783)
Gallo-Roman (7.858)
Vascones (8.07)
Aquitani (8.091)
14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (4.475)
Gallo-Roman (4.774)
Visigoth + Ligurian (5.353)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (5.486)
Ligurian + Gallo-Roman (5.506)
Iberian + Ligurian (5.63)
Visigoth (6.01)
Etruscan (7.744)
Ligurian (8.599)
Iberian (9.262)
26. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
Visigoth + Rhaeti (4.057)
Rhaeti + Etruscan (4.377)
Gallo-Roman + Rhaeti (4.477)
Rhaeti (5.019)
Visigoth + Etruscan (5.231)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (5.24)
Etruscan (5.603)
Gallo-Roman (6.206)
Visigoth (6.235)
Iberian (8.179)
27. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.72 - R63
Ligurian + Etruscan (2.875)
Visigoth + Ligurian (3.258)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (3.335)
Ligurian + Gallo-Roman (3.772)
Ligurian + Rhaeti (3.798)
Etruscan (4.463)
Gallo-Roman (4.989)
Visigoth (5.682)
Ligurian (6.458)
Rhaeti (8.053)
29. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
Visigoth + Al-Andalus (5.165)
Al-Andalus + Etruscan (6.192)
Al-Andalus + Gallo-Roman (6.212)
Visigoth + Etruscan (6.346)
Etruscan (6.767)
Al-Andalus + Rhaeti (6.977)
Visigoth (7.092)
Rhaeti (8.971)
Gallo-Roman (9.224)
Al-Andalus (9.822)
31. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.94 - R1221
Etruscan + Frank (4.984)
Gallo-Roman + Frank (5.626)
Visigoth + Frank (5.863)
Frank + Illyrian (6.655)
Visigoth + Illyrian (7.606)
Frank (9.022)
Visigoth (9.948)
Illyrian (10.22)
Etruscan (10.54)
Gallo-Roman (11.97)
40. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.46 - VK146
Ligurian + Frank (3.847)
Visigoth + Frank (4.217)
Frank (4.329)
Gallo-Roman + Frank (4.471)
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (4.935)
Visigoth + Ostrogoth (5.629)
Visigoth (9.623)
Gallo-Roman (11.08)
Ligurian (11.36)
Ostrogoth (11.57)
49. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
Belgae + Vascones (3.737)
Belgae + Gallo-Roman (5.531)
Celt + Vascones (5.706)
Visigoth + Belgae (5.721)
Celt + Gallo-Roman (6.038)
Vascones (8.379)
Visigoth (10.06)
Belgae (10.3)
Celt (11.1)
Gallo-Roman (11.28)
65. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
Al-Andalus + Etruscan (5.522)
Iberian + Al-Andalus (5.929)
Visigoth + Etruscan (6.514)
Rhaeti + Etruscan (6.795)
Iberian + Etruscan (7.112)
Etruscan (7.581)
Rhaeti (9.529)
Visigoth (9.978)
Iberian (10.35)
Al-Andalus (10.37
69. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.84 - R1289
Iberian + Latin (2.215)
Iberian + Vascones (2.655)
Vascones + Latin (3.05)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (3.36)
Iberian + Aquitani (3.566)
Iberian (4.151)
Vascones (6.005)
Latin (7.087)
Aquitani (8.718)
Gallo-Roman (9.058)
Gota_type_
12-10-2020, 06:24 PM
My results with the Medieval period
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Viendo tus resultados está claro que tienes (bastante posiblemente) sangre germánica. Siendo tú andaluz, quizá vándalos (aunque luego se fueran a Africa), o tb visigodos (q tb hubo bastantes en Andalucía), o los repobladores de Jaén, o incluso los "eslavos" de Al-Andalus (que no eran realmente eslavos necesariamente, se le llamaba así todo no nativo de Iberia, pero sí de Europa, bien podrían ser de Dinamarca). Así q no hay q mirar solo el halopgrupo paterno (el tuyo que, a priori, algún ignorante diría "moro", cuando en realidad es de granjero neolítico) pues tú seguramente tengas medias más altas de otros pueblos del norte de Europa que otros que incluso puedan tener el halopgrupo I1.
Gallop
02-22-2021, 02:11 PM
Viendo tus resultados está claro que tienes (bastante posiblemente) sangre germánica. Siendo tú andaluz, quizá vándalos (aunque luego se fueran a Africa), o tb visigodos (q tb hubo bastantes en Andalucía), o los repobladores de Jaén, o incluso los "eslavos" de Al-Andalus (que no eran realmente eslavos necesariamente, se le llamaba así todo no nativo de Iberia, pero sí de Europa, bien podrían ser de Dinamarca). Así q no hay q mirar solo el halopgrupo paterno (el tuyo que, a priori, algún ignorante diría "moro", cuando en realidad es de granjero neolítico) pues tú seguramente tengas medias más altas de otros pueblos del norte de Europa que otros que incluso puedan tener el halopgrupo I1.
No me había llegado tu mensaje, lo leo ahora. Iba a publicar unos resultados y mira me viene al pelo. Bueno en primera instancia al recibir mi haplogrupo y siendo andaluz todo el mundo estaba pensando que ya está pues un fenicio o de la época de Al-Andalus que son hechos históricos que no los negamos pero por otra parte quién puede pensar que con todos los movimientos que han habido y todos los hechos históricos siguientes que implican una movilidad tremenda no sólo ya en España sino a través del resto de Europa un fenicio o quizá un converso iba a haberse quedado en el mismo lugar sin haberse movido, es muy romántico pero poco probable, y sabe Dios en qué lugar físico están ahora los unos y los otros.
En definitiva yo sabía perfectamente que eso así no podía ser y finalmente he recibido los resultados de mi padre que corroboran en gran medida la tradición oral familiar y certifica que en todo esto 1+1 no son 2.
Results of my father:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Va-gPUkPRMU/YDLC1OVgNRI/AAAAAAAAF3A/0n8WyfrAKQoc5mHL06oMeRYpaVmxr5eiQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1335/Italian.jpeg
You most likely had a third-great-grandparent, fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, or sixth-great-grandparent who was 100% Italian. This person was likely born between 1690 and 1780.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lSOXGNOOYBo/YDLaPp_XTHI/AAAAAAAAF3o/kNt0JoaZaUsFahPGWnWRtRVfXkqXnmL4ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1352/Espa%25C3%25B1olAbuelo.jpeg
You most likely had a parent, or grandparent who was 100% Spanish. This person was likely born between 1870 and 1900.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0E5mceOxdDw/YDLCMD1Cw1I/AAAAAAAAF20/gVd5gFlitFoOx0UsUl7S8zmxvWb_fteuQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1273/Pap%25C3%25A1SpanishItalian.jpeg
«La ocupación francesa de España, 1808-1814
Me encaja con la tradición oral familiar de un extranjero, un soldado francés, que ve la barbaridad que está cometiendo Napoleón en España, desierta de las tropas, se cambia el apellido y se queda.
Viendo mi situación en Yfull y el intervalo que queda vacío 1810, las tropas napoleónicas entran en España en el 1808 y justo a partir de ese intervalo (punto 4) no se detecta como italiano 100 x 100, de modo que cabe la posibilidad que se tratase de alguien de padre italiano y madre de otra nacionalidad.
Gota_type_
02-27-2021, 11:24 AM
No me había llegado tu mensaje, lo leo ahora. Iba a publicar unos resultados y mira me viene al pelo. Bueno en primera instancia al recibir mi haplogrupo y siendo andaluz todo el mundo estaba pensando que ya está pues un fenicio o de la época de Al-Andalus que son hechos históricos que no los negamos pero por otra parte quién puede pensar que con todos los movimientos que han habido y todos los hechos históricos siguientes que implican una movilidad tremenda no sólo ya en España sino a través del resto de Europa un fenicio o quizá un converso iba a haberse quedado en el mismo lugar sin haberse movido, es muy romántico pero poco probable, y sabe Dios en qué lugar físico están ahora los unos y los otros.
En definitiva yo sabía perfectamente que eso así no podía ser y finalmente he recibido los resultados de mi padre que corroboran en gran medida la tradición oral familiar y certifica que en todo esto 1+1 no son 2.
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Esos resultados de Italian o French de hace 200-300 años, siento decirte que al 99% son falsos. Yo he hecho mi árbol genealógico y no tengo ningún antepasado extranjero desde 1600. Ninguno. Sin embargo, en 23andme en el timeline me aparece lo mismo que a ti, lo de Italian hace 200-300 años, y French-German hace 400 o así. La cuestión es que 23andme dice que solo calcula los últimos 500 años (al ser una compañía americana y tener poca Historia propia parece que ver más allá de estas fechas les parecerá ciencia ficción).
Solo con mi ejemplo ya puedes ver que esos timeline son muy falsos. Nuestro "Italian" me da a mí que es Neolitic Farmer (obviamente llegaron antes a Italia que a España si venían de Anatolia). Dudo incluso que sea Romano pues la mayoría de españoles nos suele dar un 20% de Italian, y es objetivamente imposible que vinieran tantos Romanos a Hispania. Y nuestro German-French en realidad serán "pueblos celtas" o el ADN PanEuropeo común con todos los países de nuestro entorno con los que tb compartimos mucha sangre y halogrupos R1b.
Gallop
03-03-2021, 12:54 AM
Gallop is a sincere, honest and authentic man.
Own contribution to the Andalusian autosomal thread.
Well, I have given movement to the old photographs of my ancestors in this emotive section that MH has recently created.
The first man is my maternal great-grandfather (Trastarabuelo) who is also the one I have as avatar.
Second video my maternal great-grandmother and wife of the previous one.
Third video my great-great-grandmother and daughter of the previous ones.
And fourth video my great-great-grandfather and husband of the previous one.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbBGSN3Rlcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGqzSwExww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-bMcXQsuFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln8FO7qLYZI
Gallop
04-27-2021, 03:17 PM
Bueno vamos a actualizarnos un poco, me he enterado que os chiflan los autosomales; aunque algunos se quedaron colgados de los haplogrupos para siempre, otros muchos detestan MTA pudiera ser porque no han obtenido los resultados que esperaban o bien porque obtienen los que no habrían querido, en otros casos quizá se deba al aspecto pecunario así que tras esta breve introducción vamos a por faena porque aquí el que no corre vuela.
Resultados así en plural de mi padre en ancient:
23anMe
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5F7LAM41-lI/YDRyfR_hZvI/AAAAAAAAF4U/39StzoUmnTQYSO5H9Sk2-AcP7Ojx4r7zgCLcBGAsYHQ/s691/ClosestAncientPopulations.jpeg
FTDNA
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xN6SVngF_P8/YIgeEMoCraI/AAAAAAAAGG4/BcMN5_w6qpUsjKCJC6wfXtx-Vs5RqhP7gCLcBGAsYHQ/s663/AncientPopulations.jpeg
Ahora acaba de salir el Global no sé qué:
(Los puntos amarillos son Deep Dives)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nlUzzg09rjM/YIgcfpiFhVI/AAAAAAAAGGQ/SohZOcNUghQvDW9sReUzv5ralmiH6X4tgCLcBGAsYHQ/s565/GlobalPap%25C3%25A1.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I25o1EX5Iyw/YIgcq4_MAOI/AAAAAAAAGGc/_EoAznA0JlsRVCc074vI7wUVDpASz-m3QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1161/GlobalPap%25C3%25A12.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FWnl_6kiWC8/YIgczio8d4I/AAAAAAAAGGs/nUdloC4SPPYjNaE4bSUeQQvCLgnRTL_zQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1161/GlobalPap%25C3%25A13.jpeg
Y este es mi Global:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pCYvixZsedY/YIgpX1B_P2I/AAAAAAAAGHE/0tDM8whVvXEym8OebhghP1n478DzeLFxgCLcBGAsYHQ/s427/GlobalM%25C3%25ADo.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BN0JOoCxwDI/YIgpiPyPBBI/AAAAAAAAGHM/brVY6GiBxTcQKEsnz2-69NMtbfyimaWcwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1095/GlobalM%25C3%25ADo2.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1IRjkFxil3s/YIgpshmlEyI/AAAAAAAAGHQ/WO_uvP7B0YM0GysoseeWlZk4ZIA65upnQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1164/GlobalM%25C3%25ADo3.jpeg
Las diferencias entre mi padre y yo en los Deep Dives debe ser lo que me viene por vía materna.
Gallop
09-27-2021, 02:27 PM
I just got a bunch of likes and reviewing I realized how much I gave myself away when here most people are joking and criticizing comfortably without posting anything about themselves.
I will continue in my line as all this will remain here for decades and future generations will search these old threads for documentation and results so it will be an excellent library for the future, I prefer it this way to it dying on my PC when I am no longer around.
A little fun is also necessary, I agree with that.
My great-aunt Catalina, sister of my maternal grandmother: J1c5c1c
With colored photo, they are very white skinned, this for the fools who pretend to confuse photographic anomalies with phenotypes especially when it is for Spaniards.
I spent many years with her as a child since my mother worked, but of course she was then a mature woman, almost old already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixaGihWpvWY&list=PLrQWQLOA1RJqkeuG3BjAs7Fu1I5HGY7qI&index=8
Surprising, you can clearly see the ancient world to which it belongs.
Gaditanian
09-28-2021, 12:54 AM
My great-aunt Catalina, sister of my maternal grandmother: J1c5c1c
With colored photo, they are very white skinned, this for the fools who pretend to confuse photographic anomalies with phenotypes especially when it is for Spaniards.
I spent many years with her as a child since my mother worked, but of course she was then a mature woman, almost old already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixaGihWpvWY&list=PLrQWQLOA1RJqkeuG3BjAs7Fu1I5HGY7qI&index=8
Surprising, you can clearly see the ancient world to which it belongs.
She has something baltid in the eyes, reminds me a bit to a russian friend that I have.
Gallop
10-04-2021, 11:12 PM
She has something baltid in the eyes, reminds me a bit to a russian friend that I have.
I have seen it now, there are quotes that do not reach me.
Maybe, his grandfather is the man in my avatar.
This is my painter chromosome. I don't know where I read that chromosome 1 is either inherited in its entirety from our father or from our mother, in my case I inherited it from my mother.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TeUK3cD4oH4/YTCh1KZVDeI/AAAAAAAAGoc/mQxHUzMULxUmgLra2iZrcqLAHW1nbX_DgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1548/cromosomapainterJuanC.jpeg
Gallop
10-05-2021, 01:36 PM
All my Deep Dives with Etruscans
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rG44up2yUYk/XsjY8UxeRPI/AAAAAAAAD1c/19XE1xA98E0L6MOsWixokGzfVWqQK8GRgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/EtruscanCivitavecchiaR473.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cZVyHS2e3RA/XsjY8_o99wI/AAAAAAAAD1g/Z4pnQwvDQtoZQyQWUq1tZhDn4CgKEIDuACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/EtruscanCivitavecchiaR474.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nr8OqKOd7w0/XsjZqZRfocI/AAAAAAAAD6U/Cfp7G7x7YSsJnbdMTB-73r9d4aUPNpGbgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/VillanovanEtruscanItalyVGGr1015.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gjVWGRUn8CM/YVuD3WnwNaI/AAAAAAAAGrI/QYONwZmNTmAtnDdWczR-Ulb0SgORVneUQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1323/IronAgeCamarsEtruscanCM001.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A4BI_oGA8Sg/YVuECNQiNEI/AAAAAAAAGrM/bWoQxEUwHRYVCMKe6g-gU25f3FsSpaPewCLcBGAsYHQ/s1320/IronAgeCamarsEtruscanCM013.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0wbfLz5hnYg/YVuEKZwPnfI/AAAAAAAAGrU/yH0JGx-vtvww2T77td7Za_IFBF6o0oAAACLcBGAsYHQ/s1334/IronAgeCasenovoleEtruscanCSN006.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iOXqwrYC-Lg/YVuEWt1HH4I/AAAAAAAAGrc/VGDFL1MheLUHtK2kKzOogz43nkpveLEHACLcBGAsYHQ/s1325/IronAgeCasenovoleEtruscanCSN013.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f8MNES642Tk/YVuEq5RPUoI/AAAAAAAAGro/UxjLcMvpQoU3aQ0Xq1Bx3yrEOYo5s-cBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/Etruscan20ciudadesVEt003.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-METnbGP-MrQ/YVuE4q02CxI/AAAAAAAAGrs/_KS1UYapGoos80DbtJNWnmpUcG607t2EACLcBGAsYHQ/s1312/EtruscanCesenaCNS003.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iPnaBjwTVBQ/YVuFC3DxhyI/AAAAAAAAGr0/pHBv-ZAh_ZUrNjSHNJK3kxXpR0jdTN7RgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/EtruscanCesenaCNS005.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1YUM8t5sH4I/YVuFLd5EwJI/AAAAAAAAGr8/54n6QhZYDPEKzMTRvnuIQ5EtDdDmqlDxACLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/EtruscanCesenaCNS006.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8xvmJ7OLniw/YVuFTqfNIlI/AAAAAAAAGsA/OqcX3DYDjd48q8BuDjcN5kc9C2ykXl0TACLcBGAsYHQ/s1314/EtruscanCesenaCNS013.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-umKlgjjtrAw/YVuFhyWDoHI/AAAAAAAAGsI/18OWCuE9NRsZaR7km4rnzpoGXErAZS5YwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1318/EtruscanPerusiaZN002.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wxmo8GjEGAM/YVuFqtvUhlI/AAAAAAAAGsQ/LuLfgrvU_a0UBpT4X9UugoT7q-QtluwKACLcBGAsYHQ/s1312/EtruscanTarquiniaTAQ002.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ea-rvj83ujU/YVuF0fPJX9I/AAAAAAAAGsY/DIEs9cc8eH4O6_-Ebsd6MpFEhoUxKGI7wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1321/EtruscanTarquiniiTAQ005.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6sd2y60bGfs/YVuF-v3_VAI/AAAAAAAAGsg/0JXksvIN3DsaR4bCHIK-NPJfymvODVxBQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1321/EtruscanTarquiniiTAQ016.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jG_E8ssnQT8/YVuGHTlGorI/AAAAAAAAGso/iwHVeqxBJooKHmg9IJG1ZybWWzxwYzzZwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/EtruscanVolterra001.jpeg
butterburger
10-05-2021, 01:40 PM
West/Central Europe is basically Basque-like DNA I imagine?
Gallop
10-05-2021, 02:19 PM
West/Central Europe is basically Basque-like DNA I imagine?
The Bask is in the Southern Europe group, see above.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TeUK3cD4oH4/YTCh1KZVDeI/AAAAAAAAGoc/mQxHUzMULxUmgLra2iZrcqLAHW1nbX_DgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1548/cromosomapainterJuanC.jpeg
Gallop
10-28-2021, 08:30 PM
My group by mitochondrial dna with someone current with the provinces marked in red. Blue province upstream.
There are still users to indicate the provinces.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhGJ5WDqq_AIzq9QZBcSHblAEsPtxQQtjaMa_58gESglq NFfomX2H_Oysg2AK8E3-JCy3pP3MuCn14dM373KGGSG3mHNTMGGTKuchoqnxwwpvv2wrWm rFs6FY4LcoUpmwklvj8fuIEL_4ogM0o_in-iLb9Omo7TRIAj7-hEswT9J9LoI_aDA8hveQv4=s543
Gallop
01-07-2022, 06:30 PM
Repetido...........
Gallop
01-07-2022, 07:42 PM
Repetido.......
alnortedelsur
01-07-2022, 07:47 PM
You should invite the chicano of RMuller to this thread to shut his fuck up!
Gallop
01-07-2022, 09:42 PM
Repetido....
Ezio Auditore
01-07-2022, 10:51 PM
Black blood is like 1-4% in Iberia (the highest percentage being in Western Spain and Portugal), while Maghrebis are at least 20% SSA on average. Spanish people are European regardless of what you want to present them as.
this is true.
Also, even tho OP does seem to maybe have some recent affinity to other more northern areas... meaning possible non-spaniard ancestry from immigration?? It doesn't mean he isn't native spaniard, especially if the map was from using 23andMe raw data this is why there is no clear affinity in iberia... mine is like that too, but on my ancestrydna data I have red all over western iberia.
gixajo
01-07-2022, 11:07 PM
El I3585 es de la época Visigoda, pero no es muy visigodo genéticamente.
I3585,0.099026,0.146236,0.033187,-0.012597,0.037238,-0.010877,-0.005875,0.003,0.031088,0.033896,-0.005684,0.007643,-0.008771,-0.016377,0.005022,0.002254,0.002608,0.004181,-0.003142,0.004002,0.001996,-0.005688,0.00912,-0.009881,-0.001916
El RMPR435b creo que es el primero o uno de los primeros en mi lista de distancias de los antiguos del G25.
Puedes modelarte con el G25 usando muchos de esos samples, por ejemplo el modelo de G25 de tu resultado TWO WAY con menos distancias es bastante bueno para modelar a cualquier español.
Latin:RMPR435b,0.12862,0.145221,0.04714,0.005491,0 .046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
South_Cushitic(Pastoral_Neolithic):I8804,-0.286834,0.099522,-0.023759,-0.086887,0.000615,-0.047969,-0.013396,-0.004615,0.130486,-0.087109,-0.018025,-0.01079,-0.004014,-0.001651,0.026058,-0.02254,0.022948,0.002914,0.004777,-0.001126,0.006489,-0.000742,-0.002095,-0.008435,-0.000718
Tienes bastante similitud con mi familia paterna (y por consiguiente conmigo en cierta medida), como hemos visto muchas veces.
gixajo
01-07-2022, 11:16 PM
Para el modelado moderno creo que usan todos los individuales regionales, más que nada porque se obtienen mejores distancias.
Tu mejor fit por lo que has posteado es éste:
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500,0.105855,0.142174, 0.038843,-0.006137,0.041238,0.001116,0.000235,0.003692,0.030 065,0.028611,-0.005359,0.009741,-0.011298,-0.010597,0.013843,-0.009016,-0.012647,0.000507,-0.003645,-0.013381,-0.001747,-0.005317,0.003697,-0.005904,-0.007065
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501,0.103579,0.141159, 0.0445,-0.001615,0.045239,0.001673,-0.00423,0.007384,0.029451,0.026606,0.000812,0.0059 95,-0.008176,-0.007844,0.009908,-0.009679,-0.008996,-0.002027,-0.006285,5e-04,0.002246,0.003215,0.005423,-0.001566,0.000958
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506,0.113823,0.148267, 0.038089,0.001292,0.044931,0.002789,-0.001175,0.002769,0.02577,0.032438,-0.002436,0.007793,-0.016799,-0.017616,0.013029,-0.000928,0.001304,-0.003674,-0.003645,0.006003,0.000374,-0.000618,-0.005176,-0.000241,-0.002155
La_Rioja:La_Rioja1,0.121791,0.152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
El mismo con averages:
Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Igual usan el average o los individuales del estudio de vascos y peri-vascos donde hay un average riojano hecho con 10-11 individuales.
Gallop
01-08-2022, 12:45 AM
Os voy a poner un poquito de mis resultados en Illustrative Dna, sin agobiaros demasiado ya que hay mucha tela que cortar.
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Gallop
01-08-2022, 12:11 PM
Algunos de los resultados a 2 y 3 Vías.
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Gallop
01-08-2022, 12:13 PM
Desciendo de la Hidalguía, de la Nobleza, es algo que uno sabe desde que nace.
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Bueno y ahora la época moderna a 2 y 3 vías, lo haré ameno ya que son 50 muestras.
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gixajo
01-08-2022, 01:19 PM
Muchas gracias por hacer aprecio de mi pequeño aporte, borrando el post tuyo anterior y repitiéndolo después de mi post.
Queda claro que la intención de este thread no es discutir sobre resultados autosomales de andaluces, si no simplemente un thread para mostrar tus resultados, y de algún familiar tuyo.;)
Gallop
01-08-2022, 02:36 PM
Mi comparativa (Yo soy Juan con Andalucía y Extremadura)
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Conclusión de un colaborador mío.
20 años en foros de genética y nadie había hecho tanto por mí. Y es lo que por desgracia está pasando en los foros de genética, menos troleo y gente que hable claro.
Sobre mi West_Asian él lo achaca a esto y no iba muy desencaminado:
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Gallop
01-09-2022, 12:16 PM
No le había dado a la barra hasta el final, soy asín de despistón.
Father
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiKJIyOS47MsBMI3NsnrA0yKf7NKwR6doU_wV7kQnYxwY 0EwixW_gWPgn-dM7vkvVxSu2_htgu8BbMS6x5gTBjpMv4ZgOyHkLgByGk_KRvVF 08z472kB2xMFomXHwhhd_h0btT7i2m7f8Ib78sGZUGhUpOygq0 t9XglXpWGDY1EOD07dAqKBESfExEM=s1366
Mine
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEieSzPX7VmEEel2iWTQgOrX9xd9MZNEMjeuf7CWpmYeOu Vv_Ug2LC5tm3xT7vPW-f2zuucNGowr3WMufL09Zg_dgogSCfoGnz0graCQ6vtVFeMXy6Z DEE-sWQSlFM1AmM-L6c8CzQMq5d0AOMlviSW8g_o3vuhskzVzBC5vGOn5pgCepDo3p rebrI8J=s809
mitalit
01-09-2022, 01:44 PM
Very good results Gallop, you are always breaking stereotypes
Gallop
01-11-2022, 09:19 AM
El Mapa K36 de mi padre y el mío abajo, alias "Carollo Smith" ahora que publico doble tenía que elegir algún alias y que tampoco fueran nicks de foros.
Pues me he quedado armonizado en el Naranja con una gran extensión, mi padre al menos marca en rojo. Son similares; aunque el cubre mejor el Este y yo el Norte.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjQ5TTVduREoR5EuPM5oCt3JqMIqBTRKOkg1KYGqa2CJ-0Dkltt6QX9Z-Z9wnBfCQTURMrmY715ipwjOeCJ_L9NsWeB6oeILDN1Q9jrdfRq HiSSo6w0XG7coPg87Y-AGrn5U7P7TqS6Tsl8aFzBDyTUenY3iBai2sC7BT6bgQNJr15Zm yOmPZ50mj45=s630
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Alexandro
01-11-2022, 03:30 PM
Muy chulos los resultados
Gallop
03-25-2022, 01:26 PM
Very good results Gallop, you are always breaking stereotypes
Really
Gallop
03-25-2022, 01:32 PM
New French member in my mitochondrial haplogroup.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhw-HNwmHPi78d0_kqMezsZicgF_XXiPYNHLxd7Mmx0d9xFAnJY-s5TtTN6yny1kcmtuy1wt8j_xHbQKiiCmT0moPOzdHnkKgEuApq YO5wWqOVyd4X17iKFfgZ1kiVRDK1RLYTPYPruqgeyBq6UiYFo4 R6JCQdMNYKgVIuUI7KDqJ15M3OTatKiRQfw/s864/J1c5c1a1Yfull.jpeg
Gallop
05-14-2022, 03:36 PM
My Saga (FTDNA)
Andalusian Results :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-U4ISGQTJA
Father (FTDNA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cV_fabH5I
Father (23andMe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK0HDtM7qeI
Gallop
05-21-2022, 11:35 PM
Acaba de salir en MTA Saga Premium
¿Qué es su saga de ADN?
Su ADN coincide con muchos individuos antiguos de la historia. DNA Saga es la última función que te permite ver un vídeo personalizado de tus antiguas coincidencias. Tu Saga de ADN incluye un desglose ancestral y una partitura musical a juego. Los cuadros rojos son coincidencias de muestra. Los cuadros amarillos son coincidencias de Deep Dive.
Mía
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuXFVrPo4tA&t=4s
Padre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIyjtiQsVIc
turke
01-09-2023, 12:11 PM
I know this is off topic but I'm quarter Spanish and have near as much African DNA as the person of the kit and all is from my Spanish side I don't know if it would mean I have a very high amount of North African DNA for a 1/4 Valencian-Andalusian Spaniard.
Ancestral_Altaic 3.74 Pct
South_Central_Asian 8.44 Pct
South_Indian 0.31 Pct
Austronesian 0.86 Pct
Caucasian 20.44 Pct
European_Early_Farmers 24.12 Pct
Khoisan 0.49 Pct
Archaic_African 0.2 Pct
North_African 6.01 Pct
Paleo_Siberian 1.31 Pct
South_East_Asian 0.18 Pct
European_Hunters_Gatherers 33.86 Pct
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% Dutch ( ) + 6.4% Mozabite ( ) @ 3.27
2 91.7% Dutch ( ) + 8.3% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 3.46
3 92.4% Dutch ( ) + 7.6% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.56
4 90.6% Dutch ( ) + 9.4% Morocco_South ( ) @ 3.56
5 89.1% Dutch ( ) + 10.9% Algerian ( ) @ 3.78
6 88.7% Dutch ( ) + 11.3% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 3.85
7 92.3% Irish ( ) + 7.7% Mozabite ( ) @ 3.87
8 91.2% Frisian ( ) + 8.8% Mozabite ( ) @ 4.21
9 89.4% Dutch ( ) + 10.6% Tunisian ( ) @ 4.24
10 88.4% Irish ( ) + 11.6% Moroccan ( ) @ 4.32
11 91.2% Dutch ( ) + 8.8% Moroccan ( ) @ 4.34
12 86.5% Irish ( ) + 13.5% Tunisian ( ) @ 4.44
13 86.5% Irish ( ) + 13.5% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 4.47
14 90.6% Irish ( ) + 9.4% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 4.52
15 91.3% Irish ( ) + 8.7% Saharawi ( ) @ 4.57
16 87.3% Irish ( ) + 12.7% Algerian ( ) @ 4.62
17 89.7% Frisian ( ) + 10.3% Saharawi ( ) @ 4.73
18 71.6% Swede_Saami ( ) + 28.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 4.74
19 89% Frisian ( ) + 11% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 4.78
20 86.9% Frisian ( ) + 13.1% Moroccan ( ) @ 4.89
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 12:19 PM
el K15 de mi abuela Sevillana tiene ancestros en el norte de europa pero su parte iberica es mayoritariamente Andaluza:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.28
2 West_Med 21.68
3 North_Sea 19.98
4 East_Med 11.22
5 Baltic 7.65
6 Eastern_Euro 6.53
7 Red_Sea 3.88
8 West_Asian 1.31
9 Northeast_African 1.14
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese @ 4.503115
2 Spanish_Galicia @ 5.182122
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.677812
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.325030
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 6.740012
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.763691
7 North_Italian @ 8.664269
8 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.912669
9 Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.094069
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.221782
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9.671083
12 Southwest_French @ 10.656174
13 Spanish_Aragon @ 11.309559
14 French @ 11.897164
15 Tuscan @ 15.699116
16 South_Dutch @ 16.923134
17 Serbian @ 17.724590
18 Austrian @ 19.399212
19 West_German @ 19.417768
20 Romanian @ 19.652071
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Portuguese @ 4.503115
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +25% Sardinian +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.628810
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.998042
2 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.037803
3 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.095221
4 Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.152379
5 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.213090
6 Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.219237
7 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.222419
8 Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.226536
9 Portuguese + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.239358
10 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.272326
11 Sardinian + Serbian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 3.300845
12 Portuguese + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.332765
13 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.345222
14 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.361721
15 Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.363902
16 Sardinian + Serbian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 3.370843
17 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.376193
18 Finnish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.386462
19 Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.388415
20 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.389249
Done.
Elapsed time 0.9959 seconds.
literalmente el North Swedish es lo mas atipico
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 12:24 PM
eh simulado sus resultados haciendo un average con esas 4 muestras y los resultados de esas coordenadas G25 son muy parecidos a lo que obtiene normalmente:
Target: AbuelaK15_Simulated
Distance: 0.0039% / 0.00003924 | R5P
39.6 Iberian_Penninsula
26.0 Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope
18.8 Sardinia
12.0 France
3.6 Italy
Gallop
01-09-2023, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=vikiingMallorcaSpain;7641902]el K15 de mi abuela Sevillana tiene ancestros en el norte de europa pero su parte iberica es mayoritariamente Andaluza:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.28
2 West_Med 21.68
3 North_Sea 19.98
4 East_Med 11.22
5 Baltic 7.65
6 Eastern_Euro 6.53
7 Red_Sea 3.88
8 West_Asian 1.31
9 Northeast_African 1.14
Gallop
1 Atlantic 31.76
2 West_Med 23.82
3 North_Sea 20.35
4 West_Asian 6.42
5 Baltic 4.75
6 Red_Sea 3.37
7 East_Med 3.13
8 Northeast_African 2.55
9 Eastern_Euro 2.31
1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.280735
2 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.395476
Siendo ambos andaluces obtenemos 9 resultados, en East Med saco siempre poco, veo otros españoles que obtienen más. Así significativo qué ves?
El East Med y Eastern euro ella más alto y yo el Atlantic, West Asia
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 12:55 PM
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Beowulf
01-09-2023, 12:57 PM
[QUOTE=vikiingMallorcaSpain;7641902]el K15 de mi abuela Sevillana tiene ancestros en el norte de europa pero su parte iberica es mayoritariamente Andaluza:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.28
2 West_Med 21.68
3 North_Sea 19.98
4 East_Med 11.22
5 Baltic 7.65
6 Eastern_Euro 6.53
7 Red_Sea 3.88
8 West_Asian 1.31
9 Northeast_African 1.14
Gallop
1 Atlantic 31.76
2 West_Med 23.82
3 North_Sea 20.35
4 West_Asian 6.42
5 Baltic 4.75
6 Red_Sea 3.37
7 East_Med 3.13
8 Northeast_African 2.55
9 Eastern_Euro 2.31
1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.280735
2 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.395476
Siendo ambos andaluces obtenemos 9 resultados, en East Med saco siempre poco, veo otros españoles que obtienen más. Así significativo qué ves?
El East Med y Eastern euro ella más alto y yo el Atlantic, West Asia
en el primer K15 obtiene esto:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 24.70
2 WEST_MED 20.87
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.68
4 EAST_MED 11.55
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 9.11
6 EAST_EURO 7.12
7 MIDDLE_EASTERN 5.26
8 WEST_ASIAN 3.46
9 EAST_AFRICAN 1.24
Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 PT @ 5.532777
2 ES @ 5.834753
3 FR @ 8.149750
4 North_Italian @ 9.337794
5 AT @ 15.666586
6 Tuscan @ 15.961891
7 Cornish @ 17.464613
8 West_&_Central_German @ 17.795019
9 NL @ 18.345579
10 Serbian @ 18.425652
11 RO @ 18.599539
12 English @ 19.198540
13 HU @ 19.367210
14 Orcadian @ 20.623510
15 IE @ 20.755213
16 French_Basque @ 21.059177
17 Scottish @ 21.815136
18 DK @ 22.375818
19 NO @ 24.503635
20 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 24.996494
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +50% North_Italian @ 4.921912
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ES +25% ES +25% Serbian @ 2.257619
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 ES + ES + ES + Serbian @ 2.257619
2 ES + ES + ES + RO @ 2.282225
3 French_Basque + PT + PT + RO @ 2.557154
4 ES + ES + ES + HU @ 2.659099
5 French_Basque + North_Italian + PT + Serbian @ 2.678996
6 French_Basque + PT + PT + Serbian @ 2.704385
7 ES + ES + PT + RO @ 2.714050
8 French_Basque + HU + PT + Tuscan @ 2.820315
9 ES + ES + PT + Serbian @ 2.838021
10 ES + ES + HU + PT @ 2.937893
11 ES + French_Basque + North_Italian + Serbian @ 3.016275
12 ES + ES + FR + RO @ 3.037107
13 ES + French_Basque + HU + Tuscan @ 3.041766
14 AJ + AT + ES + French_Basque @ 3.131380
15 AT + ES + ES + North_Italian @ 3.144188
16 AT + ES + ES + ES @ 3.175265
17 ES + French_Basque + PT + Serbian @ 3.219489
18 ES + French_Basque + PT + RO @ 3.231865
19 French_Basque + HU + North_Italian + PT @ 3.238738
20 AT + ES + ES + PT @ 3.253346
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 01:07 PM
MDLPK23B
MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 35.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.15
3 Caucasian 20.46
4 North_African 7.81
5 Near_East 4.97
6 South_Central_Asian 2.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.78
8 Khoisan 1.21
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portugese_ @ 6.220935
2 French_ @ 9.230968
3 Spaniard_ @ 9.645268
4 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 9.950132
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 10.188649
6 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 10.444709
7 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 11.306748
8 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 11.522380
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 11.573362
10 Italian_North_ @ 12.387857
11 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 12.816829
12 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 13.032772
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 14.647326
14 Welsh_ @ 14.656991
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 14.720114
16 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 14.740335
17 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 15.026042
18 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 15.336251
19 CEU_ @ 16.031565
20 English_ @ 16.159483
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_German_ +50% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 4.442992
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ +25% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ +25% Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.831665
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.252813
2 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.296306
3 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.307672
4 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.312531
5 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 2.369896
6 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.374645
7 Croat_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.384590
8 Bosnian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.423965
9 Croat_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.432505
10 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Ukrainian_West_ @ 2.433481
11 Croat_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.451024
12 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.453697
13 Bosnian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.459410
14 Croat_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.468587
15 Bosnian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.470521
16 Croat_BH_ + Spaniard_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 2.489082
17 Serb_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.499464
18 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Ukrainian_West_ @ 2.508572
19 Hungarian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.533690
20 Hungarian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.535737
Done.
Elapsed time 37.5561 seconds.
es MDLP bueno para europeos?
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 01:29 PM
Mi padre no Nació en Andalucia pero mis abuelos si aqui esta su K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 33.96
2 West_Med 24.23
3 North_Sea 16.25
4 East_Med 9.95
5 Eastern_Euro 5.31
6 West_Asian 2.80
7 Northeast_African 2.18
8 Baltic 2.17
9 Red_Sea 1.86
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.407626
2 Spanish_Aragon @ 5.061280
3 Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.430104
4 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.599856
5 Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.869151
6 Spanish_Murcia @ 7.686812
7 Southwest_French @ 8.072814
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.351289
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.218375
10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.422094
11 Portuguese @ 10.399508
12 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.946103
13 North_Italian @ 14.154141
14 French_Basque @ 14.369897
15 French @ 18.413107
16 Tuscan @ 20.524778
17 South_Dutch @ 22.853636
18 Southwest_English @ 26.312599
19 West_Sicilian @ 26.387749
20 Serbian @ 26.580677
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.407626
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% West_Sicilian @ 4.406568
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.281473
2 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.336168
3 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.367308
4 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.396343
5 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.397832
6 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.398156
7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Sicilian @ 4.406568
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.407626
9 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.432436
10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + West_Sicilian @ 4.438373
11 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.455195
12 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.460368
13 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.481282
14 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.481672
15 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.500560
16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Sicilian @ 4.501723
17 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.512182
18 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.513556
19 French_Basque + North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.548528
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.556293
Done.
Elapsed time 1.0041 seconds.
Edit: mis Abuelos son de Jaén mi abuelo paterno de Villanueva del Arzobispo y mi abuela de Jodár
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 01:31 PM
y su K13:
Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.00
2 West_Med 30.37
3 East_Med 12.19
4 Baltic 9.19
5 West_Asian 3.56
6 Northeast_African 2.15
7 Red_Sea 1.53
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.884018
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.327700
3 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.996982
4 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.004508
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.064404
6 Spanish_Murcia @ 5.547890
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.779027
8 Spanish_Aragon @ 5.797304
9 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.322604
10 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.404450
11 Portuguese @ 6.438844
12 Southwest_French @ 7.197304
13 North_Italian @ 12.421102
14 French @ 14.549596
15 French_Basque @ 18.009449
16 Tuscan @ 19.428509
17 South_Dutch @ 21.201105
18 West_German @ 21.529953
19 Southeast_English @ 25.640108
20 Southwest_English @ 25.775803
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.622388
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.275946
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.133677
2 Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 2.148730
3 Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish @ 2.192608
4 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.243587
5 Irish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.246191
6 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Sicilian @ 2.251155
7 Irish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.256728
8 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.275946
9 Irish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.340529
10 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Sicilian @ 2.356410
11 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Sicilian @ 2.366613
12 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + West_Sicilian @ 2.394939
13 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.397326
14 Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.397636
15 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.401237
16 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.402824
17 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.430363
18 French_Basque + North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.432020
19 Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.435927
20 French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Tuscan @ 2.452972
Done.
Elapsed time 0.5844 seconds.
gixajo
01-09-2023, 01:35 PM
Edit: mis Abuelos son de Jaén mi abuelo paterno de Villanueva del Arzobispo y mi abuela de Jodár
Pues no sería raro que mi familia paterna y la tuya compartan algo de adn en Gedmatch.
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 01:42 PM
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Gallop
01-09-2023, 02:42 PM
vikiingMallorcaSpain;7641918]MDLPK23B
MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 35.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.15
3 Caucasian 20.46
4 North_African 7.81
5 Near_East 4.97
6 South_Central_Asian 2.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.78
8 Khoisan 1.21
Gallop
1 European_Early_Farmers 36.29
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.89
3 Caucasian 20.81
4 North_African 7.95
5 South_Central_Asian 3.39
6 Near_East 3.14
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.47
8 East_African 1.17
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_North_ +50% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 3.464597
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Portugese_ +25% South_German_ +25% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.401538
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portugese_ @ 6.220935
2 French_ @ 9.230968
3 Spaniard_ @ 9.645268
4 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 9.950132
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 10.188649
6 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 10.444709
7 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 11.306748
8 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 11.522380
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 11.573362
10 Italian_North_ @ 12.387857
11 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 12.816829
12 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 13.032772
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 14.647326
14 Welsh_ @ 14.656991
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 14.720114
16 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 14.740335
17 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 15.026042
18 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 15.336251
19 CEU_ @ 16.031565
20 English_ @ 16.159483
Gallop
1 Portugese_ @ 3.701441
2 Spaniard_ @ 7.867532
3 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 7.875278
4 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 8.444562
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 8.472251
6 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 9.346562
7 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 9.690130
8 French_ @ 9.793707
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 10.068371
10 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 10.691290
11 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 11.254201
12 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 12.603863
13 Italian_North_ @ 12.913374
14 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 13.330367
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 13.881606
16 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 14.693091
17 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 15.458356
18 Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 15.813400
19 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 15.817043
20 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 15.841883
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_German_ +50% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 4.442992
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ +25% Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ +25% Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.831665
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.252813
2 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.296306
3 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.307672
4 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.312531
5 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 2.369896
6 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.374645
7 Croat_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.384590
8 Bosnian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.423965
9 Croat_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.432505
10 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Ukrainian_West_ @ 2.433481
11 Croat_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.451024
12 Croat_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.453697
13 Bosnian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.459410
14 Croat_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.468587
15 Bosnian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.470521
16 Croat_BH_ + Spaniard_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 2.489082
17 Serb_BH_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 2.499464
18 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Ukrainian_West_ @ 2.508572
19 Hungarian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.533690
20 Hungarian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.535737
Gallop
1 Frisian_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.128587
2 Portugese_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 1.141930
3 Portugese_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.196791
4 Portugese_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 1.224036
5 Belgian_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.239413
6 German-Volga_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.301152
7 Portugese_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.319702
8 Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 1.323381
9 Portugese_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 1.345494
10 Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.353352
11 Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 1.373026
12 Montenegrian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 1.386717
13 Montenegrian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.417343
14 Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 1.453618
15 Montenegrian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 1.466638
16 Italian_Bergamo_ + South_German_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.485638
17 Montenegrian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 1.490613
18 Montenegrian_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 1.501216
19 Portugese_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 1.509981
20 Serb_Serbia_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 1.525646
Done.
Elapsed time 37.5561 seconds.
es MDLP bueno para europeos?
Me ajusto mejor con 4 componentes todos a 1
Gallop
01-09-2023, 05:06 PM
abuela andaluza VikingMallorcaSpain
1 Portugese_ @ 6.220935
2 French_ @ 9.230968
3 Spaniard_ @ 9.645268
4 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 9.950132
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 10.188649
6 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 10.444709
7 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 11.306748
8 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 11.522380
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 11.573362
10 Italian_North_ @ 12.387857
11 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 12.816829
12 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 13.032772
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 14.647326
14 Welsh_ @ 14.656991
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 14.720114
16 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 14.740335
17 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 15.026042
18 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 15.336251
19 CEU_ @ 16.031565
20 English_ @ 16.159483
Gallop
1 Portugese_ @ 3.701441
2 Spaniard_ @ 7.867532
3 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 7.875278
4 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 8.444562
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 8.472251
6 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 9.346562
7 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 9.690130
8 French_ @ 9.793707
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 10.068371
10 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 10.691290
11 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 11.254201
12 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 12.603863
13 Italian_North_ @ 12.913374
14 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 13.330367
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 13.881606
16 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 14.693091
17 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 15.458356
18 Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 15.813400
19 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 15.817043
20 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 15.841883
Fater (FTDNA)
1 Portugese_ @ 4.263946
2 Spaniard_ @ 5.608117
3 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 6.219719
4 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 6.482177
5 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 6.653184
6 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 7.450025
7 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 7.687902
8 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 8.906464
9 French_ @ 9.211388
10 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 10.302221
11 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 10.636790
12 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 11.241372
13 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 11.836070
14 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 12.455191
15 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 13.174697
16 Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 13.580684
17 Italian_North_ @ 14.600137
18 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 14.745069
19 Welsh_ @ 15.891027
20 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 15.892885
He estado mirando el archivo de mi padre y se engancha a una población europea a una distancia de 4.263946, con su archivo 23anMe lo hace a una distancia de 3. Yo 3.701441 tu abuela andaluza a 6.220935 y ya pensaba que las mías eran grandes.
Resultados a 4 poblaciones de mi padre, bueno también alcanza 1 y pico con bastantes combinaciones.
1 Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Center_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.841243
2 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.953842
3 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.963138
4 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Maltese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.971355
5 Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_East_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.993786
6 Basque_French_ + German_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.997704
7 Basque_French_ + German_ + Maltese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.008985
8 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.033918
9 Basque_French_ + German_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.035944
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.041056
11 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_East_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.044760
12 Basque_French_ + German_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.046155
13 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Center_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.051371
14 Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.061355
15 German-Volga_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.092360
16 Portugese_ + South_German_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.107341
17 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.109632
18 Erzya_ + Portugese_ + Sardinian_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.117217
19 Ashkenazi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.122894
20 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.136273
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 05:28 PM
abuela andaluza VikingMallorcaSpain
1 Portugese_ @ 6.220935
2 French_ @ 9.230968
3 Spaniard_ @ 9.645268
4 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 9.950132
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 10.188649
6 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 10.444709
7 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 11.306748
8 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 11.522380
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 11.573362
10 Italian_North_ @ 12.387857
11 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 12.816829
12 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 13.032772
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 14.647326
14 Welsh_ @ 14.656991
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 14.720114
16 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 14.740335
17 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 15.026042
18 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 15.336251
19 CEU_ @ 16.031565
20 English_ @ 16.159483
Gallop
1 Portugese_ @ 3.701441
2 Spaniard_ @ 7.867532
3 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 7.875278
4 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 8.444562
5 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 8.472251
6 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 9.346562
7 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 9.690130
8 French_ @ 9.793707
9 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 10.068371
10 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 10.691290
11 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 11.254201
12 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 12.603863
13 Italian_North_ @ 12.913374
14 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 13.330367
15 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 13.881606
16 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 14.693091
17 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 15.458356
18 Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 15.813400
19 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 15.817043
20 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 15.841883
Fater (FTDNA)
1 Portugese_ @ 4.263946
2 Spaniard_ @ 5.608117
3 Spanish_Galicia_IBS_ @ 6.219719
4 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 6.482177
5 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 6.653184
6 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS_ @ 7.450025
7 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 7.687902
8 Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 8.906464
9 French_ @ 9.211388
10 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 10.302221
11 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 10.636790
12 Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 11.241372
13 Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 11.836070
14 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 12.455191
15 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS_ @ 13.174697
16 Spanish_Aragon_IBS_ @ 13.580684
17 Italian_North_ @ 14.600137
18 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 14.745069
19 Welsh_ @ 15.891027
20 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 15.892885
He estado mirando el archivo de mi padre y se engancha a una población europea a una distancia de 4.263946, con su archivo 23anMe lo hace a una distancia de 3. Yo 3.701441 tu abuela andaluza a 6.220935 y ya pensaba que las mías eran grandes.
Resultados a 4 poblaciones de mi padre, bueno también alcanza 1 y pico con bastantes combinaciones.
1 Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Center_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.841243
2 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.953842
3 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.963138
4 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Maltese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.971355
5 Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_East_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.993786
6 Basque_French_ + German_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.997704
7 Basque_French_ + German_ + Maltese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.008985
8 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.033918
9 Basque_French_ + German_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.035944
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.041056
11 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_East_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.044760
12 Basque_French_ + German_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.046155
13 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Center_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.051371
14 Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.061355
15 German-Volga_ + Portugese_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.092360
16 Portugese_ + South_German_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 2.107341
17 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.109632
18 Erzya_ + Portugese_ + Sardinian_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 2.117217
19 Ashkenazi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.122894
20 Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.136273
yo creo que es por que mi abuela debe estar mas mezclada y le cuesta encontrar un mejor fit en una poblacion Europea en si su G25 ya me parece una locura y las coincidencias de primos mas cercanos tambien sorprende su origen y bueno sus resultados comerciales fueron un poco raros aunque estoy intentando pasarlo a FTDNA conmigo mi madre y mi abuelo
literalmente tiene una coincidencia un tanto cercana con unos primos cuarto de origen Finlandes y otros Lituanos y tambien habia un Hungaro y luego salen otros Eslavos y Ingleses tambien han salido el caso es que mi Bisabuelo(el padre de mi abuela sevillana) en su lado de la familia casi todos se hicieron la prueba y son casi la mitad geneticamente Germanicos
Gallop
01-09-2023, 07:01 PM
yo creo que es por que mi abuela debe estar mas mezclada y le cuesta encontrar un mejor fit en una poblacion Europea en si su G25 ya me parece una locura y las coincidencias de primos mas cercanos tambien sorprende su origen y bueno sus resultados comerciales fueron un poco raros aunque estoy intentando pasarlo a FTDNA conmigo mi madre y mi abuelo
literalmente tiene una coincidencia un tanto cercana con unos primos cuarto de origen Finlandes y otros Lituanos y tambien habia un Hungaro y luego salen otros Eslavos y Ingleses tambien han salido el caso es que mi Bisabuelo(el padre de mi abuela sevillana) en su lado de la familia casi todos se hicieron la prueba y son casi la mitad geneticamente Germanicos
Pero todo esto son resultados en las webs o son primos de carne y hueso, no he escuchado en mi vida algo así en Andalucía, nadie tiene primos lituanos, me pilla que me quedo muelto?
Más mezclada no puede estar porque sacamos 8 componentes pero ya te digo que yo pensaba que mis distancias a la primera población europea a 3 ya era grande, cuando he visto la de tu abuela a 6 y la siguiente a 9. En FTDNA en el panel aquel ancestral marcabas algo en "No Europa"?
1 European_Early_Farmers 35.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.15
3 Caucasian 20.46
4 North_African 7.81
5 Near_East 4.97
6 South_Central_Asian 2.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.78
8 Khoisan 1.21
Gallop
1 European_Early_Farmers 36.29
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.89
3 Caucasian 20.81
4 North_African 7.95
5 South_Central_Asian 3.39
6 Near_East 3.14
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.47
8 East_African 1.17
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:07 PM
Más mezclada no puede estar porque sacamos 8 componentes pero ya te digo que yo pensaba que mis distancias a la primera población europea a 3 ya era grande, cuando he visto la de tu abuela a 6 y la siguiente a 9. En FTDNA en el panel aquel ancestral marcabas algo en "No Europa"?
1 European_Early_Farmers 35.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.15
3 Caucasian 20.46
4 North_African 7.81
5 Near_East 4.97
6 South_Central_Asian 2.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.78
8 Khoisan 1.21
Gallop
1 European_Early_Farmers 36.29
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.89
3 Caucasian 20.81
4 North_African 7.95
5 South_Central_Asian 3.39
6 Near_East 3.14
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.47
8 East_African 1.17
Si salia 1% MENA
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:09 PM
Más mezclada no puede estar porque sacamos 8 componentes pero ya te digo que yo pensaba que mis distancias a la primera población europea a 3 ya era grande, cuando he visto la de tu abuela a 6 y la siguiente a 9. En FTDNA en el panel aquel ancestral marcabas algo en "No Europa"?
1 European_Early_Farmers 35.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.15
3 Caucasian 20.46
4 North_African 7.81
5 Near_East 4.97
6 South_Central_Asian 2.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.78
8 Khoisan 1.21
Gallop
1 European_Early_Farmers 36.29
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.89
3 Caucasian 20.81
4 North_African 7.95
5 South_Central_Asian 3.39
6 Near_East 3.14
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.47
8 East_African 1.17
Estos primos de la europa del este salieron cuando le hice el test a mi abuela primero en my heritage y luego Gedmatch
Gallop
01-09-2023, 07:09 PM
Si salia 1% MENA
En el panel ese de cazadores recolectores, metal, agricultores...y el último punto es negro y es Non European, pero ahí lo que salga no dice si es mena o chino.
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:11 PM
En el panel ese de cazadores recolectores, metal, agricultores...y el último punto es negro y es Non European, pero ahí lo que salga no dice si es mena o chino.
Aaah eso pensaba que era en el moderno, pues no en el antiguo sale 100% Europeo
Gallop
01-09-2023, 07:14 PM
Aaah eso pensaba que era en el moderno, pues no en el antiguo sale 100% Europeo
Pues a mi me sale un 2% no europeo en ese punto negro, pero tampoco dice de dónde.
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:16 PM
Pues a mi me sale un 2% no europeo en ese punto negro, pero tampoco dice de dónde.
Con el monton de muestras que tenemos ya podrian actualizar eso del FTDNA antiguo
Gallop
01-09-2023, 07:19 PM
Con el monton de muestras que tenemos ya podrian actualizar eso del FTDNA antiguo
Llevan un tiempo muy calladitos. Y también controlar y asegurarse de las banderas, en mi adn Y veo algo raro, creo recordar que hay no sé si eran 16 o así banderas españolas y sólo he podido encontrar a dos tipos, uno de una ciudad de mi provincia y otro asturiano, más mi padre y yo serían 4 localizados y el resto quiénes son dónde están?, el resto no está en ningún sitio, no aparecen, sinceramente creo que están bajo bandera falsa o no sé, ninguno está en Y full, raro, raro, raro.
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:22 PM
Llevan un tiempo muy calladitos. Y también controlar y asegurarse de las banderas, en mi adn Y veo algo raro, creo recordar que hay no sé si eran 16 o así banderas españolas y sólo he podido encontrar a dos tipos, uno de una ciudad de mi provincia y otro asturiano, más mi padre y yo serían 4 localizados y el resto quiénes son dónde están?, el resto no está en ningún sitio, no aparecen, sinceramente creo que están bajo bandera falsa o no sé, ninguno está en Y full, raro, raro, raro.
creo que habian algunos que se ponian Anonimos y no suelen aparecer, para el mio salen varias banderas españolas 1 de mexico y 1 de Francia o almenos era asi cuando lo mire la ultima vez
Gallop
01-09-2023, 07:31 PM
creo que habian algunos que se ponian Anonimos y no suelen aparecer, para el mio salen varias banderas españolas 1 de mexico y 1 de Francia o almenos era asi cuando lo mire la ultima vez
Pues tengo ahí un lotecillo, bueno mucho menos que otros países, porque ya sabes que en España han sido el resto de países europeos los que más han metido el E, pues como te decía no sé dónde están metidos, como si estuvieran desaparecidos, no me llegan señales de vida, no sé si han querido engrosar a España de la rabia que tienen que mi haplogrupo aquí vamos no hay nadie, mi padre, yo, un chico y un asturiano, dónde están los demás? y como por huevos para España tiene que ser fenicio o sefardí, de la rabia que tienen han metido un chorro de banderas españolas falsas, presuntamente lo digo, claro. jeje
Y en Y full mi padre y yo nada más, vamos!
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:36 PM
Pues tengo ahí un lotecillo, bueno mucho menos que otros países, porque ya sabes que en España han sido el resto de países europeos los que más han metido el E, pues como te decía no sé dónde están metidos, como si estuvieran desaparecidos, no me llegan señales de vida, no sé si han querido engrosar a España de la rabia que tienen que mi haplogrupo aquí vamos no hay nadie, mi padre, yo, un chico y un asturiano, dónde están los demás? y como por huevos para España tiene que ser fenicio o sefardí, de la rabia que tienen han metido un chorro de banderas españolas falsas, presuntamente lo digo, claro. jeje
Y en Y full mi padre y yo nada más, vamos!
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/
a saber puede ser cualquier cosa Fenicio, Romano, Balcanico, judio o lo que sea practicamente se encuentra en casi toda Europa
Gallop
01-09-2023, 07:45 PM
a saber puede ser cualquier cosa Fenicio, Romano, Balcanico, judio o lo que sea practicamente se encuentra en casi toda Europa
Uuuuhhh pero ellos, no digo la empresa, otros listillos satélites muy involucrados con la empresa, no te digo que si estás en uno de esos grupos ya has dado permiso para que los presidentes de esos grupos accedan a todos tus resultados y el usuario corriente se queda ahí publicando 4 fotos como un gilipollas y haciendo preguntas que nadie sabe contestar y si contesta uno de esos presidentes es tarde y mal y entonces un día te encuentras una publicación con el nombre y apellidos de un antepasado tuyo en un estudio dudoso y mentiroso y encajado en lo que te decía antes que tiene que ser para España cuando has dicho por activa y pasiva que viene de otro país europeo, no de España.
Beowulf
01-09-2023, 07:47 PM
Uuuuhhh pero ellos, no digo la empresa, otros listillos satélites muy involucrados con la empresa, no te digo que si estás en uno de esos grupos ya has dado permiso para que los presidentes de esos grupos accedan a todos tus resultados y el usuario corriente se queda ahí publicando 4 fotos como un gilipollas y haciendo preguntas que nadie sabe contestar y si contesta uno de esos presidentes es tarde y mal y entonces un día te encuentras una publicación con el nombre y apellidos de un antepasado tuyo en un estudio dudoso y mentiroso y encajado en lo que te decía antes que tiene que ser para España cuando has dicho por activa y pasiva que viene de otro país europeo, no de España.
te entiendo
Gallop
02-12-2023, 03:30 PM
I was intrigued by my 6 and a bit West Asian so I took the chromosome with the highest value in West Asia (Chr 14) towards to see which way it leaned.
Chr 14
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Chr 22
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K15 Complet
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtQvBaqnXC2OFMg5p--26V1wgdX3kxWsw_IZ9JgWCzk-s1Lw1HBpM8zAZIJPHqDSBBz05r_690IXp9dfNWKwwq64qeBgKT en6G0-LI2tDK_AfJA8X9fqugqSMZQoLL9T6n9BPhGXSUnmVL5MwHX5jy dsZxGOJlSoCqgbUikkAs5MU1NwkpW9xZ9FUV/s599/K15CoordenadasCarolloSmithHECHOPeque%C3%B1o.jpg
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