Andalusian autosomal result

[Gallop]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dxuqlNMiBFU/XH0SimqxOgI/AAAAAAAAAHA/191EnB5bcP0tsoMSgeEj6hhG4M_HCOxDACLcBGAs/s1600/misor%25C3%25ADgenes.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ptr8NGumYeM/XGVwaMXsaYI/AAAAAAAAACQ/YOstMYjK5VcT9LiepjaBARzoEec_rKSwgCLcBGAs/s1600/genesis.gedmatch.com_fcgi-bin_v_ap_mix2t_blk.cgi%2B%25282%2529.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m58DxVGM0tE/XGvYdpP9QrI/AAAAAAAAADE/SOeWn7LoSPUlW8VeRdUTb8RSppGzGBJmwCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm.png

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wQLbMiK7vZY/XGvYvRiEO7I/AAAAAAAAADM/Tc2zaX4-q8gqWbiX_c5WhQow1LU9N4TowCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25281%2529.png

K7
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8bHVgQvg84Y/XHyQdAduWiI/AAAAAAAAAG0/NyoaCV54fIEuYSEzysj6HgIWuuDqmmO4ACLcBGAs/s1600/genesis.gedmatch.com_fcgi-bin_admixProp.cgi%2B%25281%2529.png


Hi all. I am getting these results and I would like to know your opinions.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Congrats on your results mate. Can you post Eurogenes K13 + K15 with Oracles ?

[Leto]

Lol, fully Spanish and only 41% Iberian? FTDNA is inaccurate for most people (not for all though), especially for Western Europeans.

[Gallop]

Thanks! Are these.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yi0EOJxJIWU/XHPaMYa6J5I/AAAAAAAAADo/KgcZx3DfYYkGYSGvEL6NxTeTEwoE5ThAgCLcBGAs/s1600/genesis.gedmatch.com_fcgi-bin_Oracle4_2c.fcgi.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sJKZwQ4sw-s/XH0e54cxt5I/AAAAAAAAAHs/p41xp6n65ToGOqYY2bODJKANVw3VYvs4gCLcBGAs/s1600/genesis.gedmatch.com_fcgi-bin_Oracle4_2c.fcgi%2B%25285%2529.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Here is how you plot on Eurogenes K15 PCA ( I labeled you ''Andalusia'' - black box)

https://i.imgur.com/1ZIQXys.png

Very typical Spaniard

[Lemgrant]

you have posted your kit number on k7b picture

[Lemgrant]

It's interesting that you are not getting values above 80 in Spain on similarity map. For comparison look at this Spaniard:

Kit Number: M201977 (Spaniard)

https://i.imgur.com/LsFkIUM.png
https://i.imgur.com/PDkbXI4.png
https://i.imgur.com/5BH6GZo.png

His top 5:

1) Spain 88
2) Portugal 84
3) South France & Mallorca 76
4) North Italy 71
5) Central-West part of Mexico 70
Eurogenes K15 calc:


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 4.72
2 Spanish_Valencia 6.27
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.43
4 Spanish_Aragon 7.22
5 Southwest_French 7.46
6 Spanish_Cantabria 7.9
7 Spanish_Extremadura 8.07
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.1
9 Spanish_Murcia 8.29
10 Spanish_Cataluna 9.36
11 Portuguese 9.66
12 North_Italian 10.25
13 Spanish_Galicia 11.3
14 Tuscan 15.12
15 French_Basque 15.24
16 French 16.93
17 West_Sicilian 20.18
18 Bulgarian 20.45
19 Serbian 20.5
20 Romanian 20.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.8% Southwest_French + 17.2% Tunisian @ 3.79
2 83% Southwest_French + 17% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.05
3 83.5% Southwest_French + 16.5% Moroccan @ 4.16
4 84.2% Southwest_French + 15.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.26
5 82.4% Southwest_French + 17.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.31
6 83.7% Southwest_French + 16.3% Algerian @ 4.32
7 87.6% Southwest_French + 12.4% Egyptian @ 4.35
8 82.6% Southwest_French + 17.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.41
9 95.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 4.3% Estonian_Polish @ 4.46
10 95.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 4.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.46
11 95.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 4.6% Moroccan @ 4.47
12 96.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 3.7% Lithuanian @ 4.48
13 87.8% Southwest_French + 12.2% Bedouin @ 4.48
14 95.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 4.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.49
15 96% Spanish_Andalucia + 4% Belorussian @ 4.49
16 88% Southwest_French + 12% Samaritan @ 4.5
17 96.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 3.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.51
18 95.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 4.2% Tunisian @ 4.52
19 96.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 3.7% Southwest_Russian @ 4.53
20 95% Spanish_Andalucia + 5% Sardinian @ 4.53

[Gallop]

Lol, fully Spanish and only 41% Iberian? FTDNA is inaccurate for most people (not for all though), especially for Western Europeans.

Some ethnic group has arrived to Iberia, do not you think?

[Leto]

Some ethnic group has arrived to Iberia, do not you think?
No, I don't think so.

[Gallop]

To Lemgrant

That other Spanish has higher values in Iberia. I made this map in function B to try; although both my parents are from the same area and both come from the province of Cádiz and both have ancestors in the province of Málaga, inland areas of both provinces.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DBqAGVsffwE/XHg34EhJgsI/AAAAAAAAAFA/BegF2GnxQuYTuN_eCFn_AKLCdSdWXsPeQCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25282%2529.png

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R8AGj1ClJ90/XHg5KSQwG0I/AAAAAAAAAFM/qEZvALm9ddIGkp5AJJyGkRKxLBjpLpEuACLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25284%2529.png

[Lemgrant]

Yep. I think you are shifted towards West-Central Europe. Ftdna is slightly correct.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Looking at his results lmao at menas and other brown people calling Andalusians Moors and such. There is OCEAN of genetic gap between him and North Africans for fuck's sake, check PCA I posted.

[Gallop]

No, I don't think so.

One thing is what you believe and another is reality.

[Leto]

One thing is what you believe and another is reality.
What is your point? I have no idea who you are and where your ancestors were from. I mean Spain is relatively homogenous and until recently there were no large scale migrations into the country, that's all I know. Your oracles are not very close to the references though.

[Grace O'Malley]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m58DxVGM0tE/XGvYdpP9QrI/AAAAAAAAADE/SOeWn7LoSPUlW8VeRdUTb8RSppGzGBJmwCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm.png

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wQLbMiK7vZY/XGvYvRiEO7I/AAAAAAAAADM/Tc2zaX4-q8gqWbiX_c5WhQow1LU9N4TowCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25281%2529.png



Hi all. I am getting these results and I would like to know your opinions.

Your maps are very unusual. You don't appear to have a strong affinity to anywhere. Most people will get low 90s and late 80s for affinity to certain populations. You have no red squares on your map.

[karakartal]

Your maps are very unusual. You don't appear to have a strong affinity to anywhere. Most people will get low 90s and late 80s for affinity to certain populations. You have no red squares on your map.

I don't have a red square too. Because i am mixed person.

[Sikeliot]

Looking at his results lmao at menas and other brown people calling Andalusians Moors and such. There is OCEAN of genetic gap between him and North Africans for fuck's sake, check PCA I posted.

Not only that but he is closer to Germans and Brits than to Sicilians or even Tuscans.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't have a red square too. Because i am mixed person.

But Gallop isn't mixed so that is a very unusual result. This is mine for example.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2gw5e12.jpg

[Erronkari]

Lol, fully Spanish and only 41% Iberian? FTDNA is inaccurate for most people (not for all though), especially for Western Europeans.

The funny is that I am 91%. :p
It's not unreliable if we think that I am 81% by 23andme, 82% by Ancestry (including iberian+"basque") and around 96% by My Heritage.
Which is absurd is that 41% being a legitime andalusian. :(

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

But Gallop isn't mixed so that is a very unusual result. This is mine for example.

I wouldn't take these K36 reference samples as very reliable. Some are very poor. Maybe Irish is fine, but Croatian for example is inaccurate and none of the Croats whose kits I posess match it well
- they all match Slovenia instead.

OP results are very close to Spanish average on PCA. His Oracles don't show anything strange either, just typical Iberian results.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wouldn't take these K36 reference samples as very reliable. Some are very poor. Maybe Irish is fine, but Croatian for example is inaccurate and none of the Croats whose kits I posess match it well
- they all match Slovenia instead.

OP results are very close to Spanish average on PCA. His Oracles don't show anything strange either, just typical Iberian results.

Don't they get red matches though? What I find unusual is the low score matches. Also if you look at the results the closest to any region is approx 6 and over. That's not a close match IMO.

[Erronkari]

I wouldn't take these K36 reference samples as very reliable. Some are very poor. Maybe Irish is fine, but Croatian for example is inaccurate and none of the Croats whose kits I posess match it well
- they all match Slovenia instead.

OP results are very close to Spanish average on PCA. His Oracles don't show anything strange either, just typical Iberian results.

Totally agree.
Sometimes in spanish samples happens the same.
Especially talking about individuals with some "basque"+spanish from other areas, because they consider "basque" far "west" shifted from other Iberians.
So many individuals with those too ancestries sometimes score 77 or less in any area.
Absurd if we consider there's nothing more Iberian than basques...

[HolyMoon]

Looking at his results lmao at menas and other brown people calling Andalusians Moors and such. There is OCEAN of genetic gap between him and North Africans for fuck's sake, check PCA I posted.

MDLP K23b Oracle results:
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit M201977

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 37.2
2 Caucasian 21.94
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 21.29
4 North_African 6.93
5 Near_East 5.38
6 South_Central_Asian 2.77
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.05
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.01
9 Khoisan 0.53
10 Arctic 0.41
11 Amerindian 0.33
12 Archaic_Human 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 5.8
2 Portugese ( ) 5.83
3 French ( ) 7.27
4 Spaniard ( ) 8.43
5 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 10.15
6 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 10.82
7 Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) 10.99
8 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) 11.04
9 Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) 11.12
10 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 11.62
11 Welsh ( ) 11.8
12 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 11.82
13 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) 11.85
14 Belgian ( ) 12.4
15 British ( ) 12.55
16 CEU ( ) 12.55
17 English ( ) 12.6
18 North_European ( ) 12.76
19 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) 13.33
20 Frisian ( ) 13.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 9.6% Moroccan ( ) @ 1.82
2 88.8% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 11.2% Tunisian ( ) @ 1.92
3 76.6% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 23.4% Gagauz ( ) @ 1.96
4 71% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 29% Maltese ( ) @ 1.99
5 72.8% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 27.2% Macedonian ( ) @ 2.03
6 73.9% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 26.1% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 2.05
7 88.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 11.3% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 2.06
8 72.4% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 27.6% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 2.09
9 77.8% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 22.2% Greek_Macedonia ( ) @ 2.12
10 75.1% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 24.9% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 2.14
11 76.7% Portugese ( ) + 23.3% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.17
12 73.5% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 26.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.18
13 75.8% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 24.2% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 2.21
14 77.1% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 22.9% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 2.21
15 75.5% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) + 24.5% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 2.23
16 75.7% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 24.3% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 2.23
17 89.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 10.6% Algerian ( ) @ 2.24
18 78.6% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) + 21.4% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 2.25
19 72.4% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 27.6% Bulgarian ( ) @ 2.26
20 77.3% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) + 22.7% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 2.26

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

--

That is not OP kit imbecile, but some cherrypicked result you dug out from who knows where. And even this person is million light years separated from your kind.

[HolyMoon]

That is not OP kit imbecile, but some cherrypicked result you dug out from who knows where. And even this person is million light years separated from your kind.

Turkic delusions. I picked the kit number from this thread and used Gedmatch's MDLP K23b calculator because it includes a North African component.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Turkic delusions. I picked the kit number from this thread and used Gedmatch's MDLP K23b calculator because it includes a North African component.

It isn't kit of dude who opened the thread OWD sandnigger. And what you posted is much closer to fucking Frisians and North Euros than to Maghrebis.

[Leto]

Turkic delusions. I picked the kit number from this thread and used Gedmatch's MDLP K23b calculator because it includes a North African component.
Black blood is like 1-4% in Iberia (the highest percentage being in Western Spain and Portugal), while Maghrebis are at least 20% SSA on average. Spanish people are European regardless of what you want to present them as.

[HolyMoon]

It isn't kit of dude who opened the thread OWD sandnigger. And what you posted is much closer to fucking Frisians and North Euros than to Maghrebis.

Your moving the goal posts, you originally implied that there was little MENA admixture among Andalusians yet this Spanish guy is 12% Brown and 0.5% Black.

[Leto]

Fucking black nationalists and anti white people should get the fuck out of this online community. Seriously, there should be NO place for that kind of individuals on here.

[FilhoV]

Post your MDLP K23b


This is mine


MDLP K23b Oracle results:

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 37.39
2 Caucasian 21.31
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.78
4 North_African 8.69
5 Near_East 7.73
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.78
7 Subsaharian 0.93
8 Archaic_African 0.89
9 Archaic_Human 0.59
10 African_Pygmy 0.56
11 South_Central_Asian 0.24
12 East_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portugese ( ) 6.38
2 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 8.22
3 Spaniard ( ) 9.55
4 French ( ) 9.87
5 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 10.34
6 Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) 11.12
7 Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) 11.24
8 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) 11.8
9 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) 11.97
10 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 12.62
11 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 13.05
12 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) 13.68
13 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 13.79
14 Welsh ( ) 13.88
15 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 14.13
16 CEU ( ) 14.48
17 British ( ) 14.54
18 Belgian ( ) 14.58
19 English ( ) 14.66
20 North_European ( ) 14.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 13.3% Moroccan ( ) @ 3.03
2 84.6% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 15.4% Tunisian ( ) @ 3.21
3 84.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 15.6% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 3.35
4 85.2% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 14.8% Algerian ( ) @ 3.44
5 74% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 26% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 3.48
6 76.4% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 23.6% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 3.51
7 89.8% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 10.2% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.64
8 89.1% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 10.9% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 3.74
9 87.5% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 12.5% Morocco_South ( ) @ 3.75
10 75.8% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) + 24.2% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 3.89
11 78.1% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) + 21.9% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 3.9
12 74% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) + 26% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 3.93
13 81.4% Spaniard ( ) + 18.6% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 3.94
14 75.4% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 24.6% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 3.94
15 73% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) + 27% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 3.95
16 73.5% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) + 26.5% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) @ 4.03
17 82.7% Spaniard ( ) + 17.3% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) @ 4.06
18 77.2% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) + 22.8% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 4.09
19 74.2% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) + 25.8% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 4.15
20 78.6% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) + 21.4% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) @ 4.16

[FilhoV]

OP appears to be clustering with Cantabrians, that being said its good to see more people from that region testing.

[dududud]

Good results!

[Gallop]

^^

Thanks!

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IIsHL7hg1NQ/XH3IkD481hI/AAAAAAAAAIE/O41DGUMU_fUXLgiDJqYyEpGNPAeGBq9lwCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_K36expe3.htm.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i5PnBlsvteg/XH3JNfSiTLI/AAAAAAAAAIM/BS8XQ89fOaoU1gRcrMIaDvZZokZREGPtQCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_K36expe3.htm%2B%25281%2529.png

[Gallop]

pen0-
[1] "distancia% = 0.4171"

X

French_Basque, 44.6
Orcadian, 25.8
Sardinian, 18.4
Ossetian, 7.4
Somali, 3.6
Evens, 0.2

pen0.001-
[1] "distance% = 0.5924"

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 86.4
French_Basque, 7.6
Francés, 1.8
Orcadian, 1
Southwest_English, 1
Afghan_Uzbeki, 0.2
Chechen, 0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak, 0.2
Ethiopian_Oromo, 0.2
Hadjar, 0.2
Kanjar, 0.2
North_Dutch, 0.2
North_Ossetian, 0.2
San, 0.2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.2
Sudanese, 0.2

pen0.01-
1 distancia% = 0.5738 "

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 89,8
French_Basque, 5,8
Balkar, 0,6
francés, 0,6
checheno, 0,4
Southwest_English, 0,4
Afghan_Pashtun, 0,2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator, 0,2
Evenki, 0,2
Hadza, 0,2
irlandés, 0,2
North_Ossetian, 0,2
South_Dutch, 0,2
Southeast_English, 0,2
Spanish_Cataluna, 0,2
tabassaran, 0,2
West_Norwegian , 0.2
West_Scottish, 0.2


I have obtained these results in K15. I'm not sure I understand. If you can explain it to me or interpret it to understand it in a more concise way, I would appreciate it.

[FilhoV]

pen0-
[1] "distancia% = 0.4171"

X

French_Basque, 44.6
Orcadian, 25.8
Sardinian, 18.4
Ossetian, 7.4
Somali, 3.6
Evens, 0.2

pen0.001-
[1] "distance% = 0.5924"

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 86.4
French_Basque, 7.6
Francés, 1.8
Orcadian, 1
Southwest_English, 1
Afghan_Uzbeki, 0.2
Chechen, 0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak, 0.2
Ethiopian_Oromo, 0.2
Hadjar, 0.2
Kanjar, 0.2
North_Dutch, 0.2
North_Ossetian, 0.2
San, 0.2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.2
Sudanese, 0.2

pen0.01-
1 distancia% = 0.5738 "

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 89,8
French_Basque, 5,8
Balkar, 0,6
francés, 0,6
checheno, 0,4
Southwest_English, 0,4
Afghan_Pashtun, 0,2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator, 0,2
Evenki, 0,2
Hadza, 0,2
irlandés, 0,2
North_Ossetian, 0,2
South_Dutch, 0,2
Southeast_English, 0,2
Spanish_Cataluna, 0,2
tabassaran, 0,2
West_Norwegian , 0.2
West_Scottish, 0.2


I have obtained these results in K15. I'm not sure I understand. If you can explain it to me or interpret it to understand it in a more concise way, I would appreciate it.


How did you get your results

[Gallop]

^^^

Right here in another thread. A user has the calculator, but it has a lot of work and they do not have to comment on the results, so I have put it in my thread.

[Arsen_]

What is your point? I have no idea who you are and where your ancestors were from. I mean Spain is relatively homogenous and until recently there were no large scale migrations into the country, that's all I know.

What about this claim of Russian researcher below?




Особенности формирования испанского этноса

История Испании невероятно богата – здесь властвовали мавры и римляне, вестготы и кельты, этнографических факторов было множество. Это способствовало формированию разнообразного этноса. Особые народности Испании (каталонцы, галисийцы, баски) образовались в XVI веке, во время экономического кризиса Испании, когда связь между районами ослабла.
Андалусийцы ведут свое происхождение от мавров, предками кастильцев были римляне. Этническое своеобразие каталонцев сформировалось из-за длительных контактов с маврами. Галисийцы — народ, родственный по происхождению португальцам и имеющий схожие культурные традиции. Баски происходят от древнеиберийского племени васконов (хотя по этому поводу нет единого мнения исследователей). Кроме перечисленных выше основных народов, в Испании живут также хитанос...

...Но следует отметить: в Испании, да и в самой Андалусии, считается, что андалусийцы — практически отдельный этнос, так как на этногенез жителей этого региона очень сильно повлияло завоевание Испании арабами.



https://referatbank.ru/market/referat/i/283139/referat-osobennosti-formirovaniya-ispanskogo-etnosa.html

[Gallop]

^^

Outdated. From the kingdom of Tartessos to the present day the Moors are a paragraph in our vast history.

[Leto]

What about this claim of Russian researcher below?




https://referatbank.ru/market/referat/i/283139/referat-osobennosti-formirovaniya-ispanskogo-etnosa.html
That's some outdated encyclopedic stuff. Nothing to do with GENETIC studies. I can say the same thing about almost every country or nation - how many invasions, kingdoms, etc. they had in the past. Doesn't necessarily mean they are a mix of those peoples in equal proportions.

[Leto]

^^

Outdated. From the kingdom of Tartessos to the present day the Moors are a paragraph in our vast history.
Wasn't Andalusia repopulated by Spaniards from the North after the Reconquista?

[Vasconcelos]

Wasn't Andalusia repopulated by Spaniards from the North after the Reconquista?

It was


https://i.imgur.com/0YC791V.png


https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N3wjjRWl9jk/Wr8Qh2-wtEI/AAAAAAAADx8/SLHbT_1U1NkMy0Xh2LbJXYaHjnrm5crigCLcBGAs/s1600/components.PNG



The OP is one of those Cantabrian-leaning individuals, far from being rare, although there's still plenty of variation in Andalucia

[Leto]

@Gallop. here are the Andalusian references - K13 and K15. You got much less East Med for some reason.

Spanish_Andalucia

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.07
2 West_Med 29.07
3 East_Med 14.11
4 Baltic 8.19
5 West_Asian 3.83
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Northeast_African 1.28
8 Siberian 0.63
9 South_Asian 0.60
10 Sub-Saharan 0.57
11 Oceanian 0.40
12 East_Asian 0.29
13 Amerindian 0.02

Spanish_Andalucia

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.45
2 West_Med 23.21
3 North_Sea 15.69
4 East_Med 11.30
5 Baltic 5.58
6 West_Asian 3.99
7 Eastern_Euro 2.99
8 Red_Sea 2.49
9 Northeast_African 1.32
10 Sub-Saharan 0.52
11 South_Asian 0.48
12 Siberian 0.46
13 Oceanian 0.31
14 Southeast_Asian 0.18
15 Amerindian 0.04

[Vasconcelos]

@Gallop. here are the Andalusian references - K13 and K15. You got much less East Med for some reason.

The reason is personal and regional variation, single references have the issue of being just an averaged result that can be misleading because they cannot capture all variation that exists within a given population. Her result can be perfectly normal, even if it's not close the reference. I'm not close to the Portuguese reference either, I even have a distance of 9 on K15


# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Aragon 4.43
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4.6
3 Spanish_Andalucia 5.39
4 Spanish_Valencia 5.43
5 Spanish_Cantabria 6.22
6 Southwest_French 6.48
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.76
8 Spanish_Murcia 6.95
9 Spanish_Extremadura 7.5
10 Spanish_Cataluna 8.53
11 Portuguese 9.18
12 Spanish_Galicia 11.04
13 French_Basque 11.98

[Gallop]

Wasn't Andalusia repopulated by Spaniards from the North after the Reconquista?

Yes, but when the Almohads arrived in what is now Andalucia, 500,000 natives emerged: Hispanic-Romans, Hispano-Goths, Celtiberians, Iberians or what they have misnamed "Mozarabic" since it is a relatively modern term invented by the historians. Then those displaced natives were living in the north of Spain during the entire Muslim occupation, perhaps later they moved to Castile. The issue is that those displaced who had to leave their land were the engine of the reconquest because by oral tradition or feelings would long to recover the land they had to abandon, an engine that might not have simply had the inhabitants of the north by themselves . It is my hypothesis: The 500,000 natives of the peninsular south are the engine of the reconquest. So if later it was repopulated with people from the north, maybe many of them did not return to their land 800 years later, perhaps already mixed with those from the north, so therefore genetically there are no significant differences between north and south of Spain.

Is someone going to explain to me the data that I have put?
The theme of the Moors in Spain are 8 lines of our extensive history. How many topics did the French or Central European romantic authors create when they traveled to Spain, they saw 4 Moorish monuments and they began to invent and fantasize about Spain, it is so old-fashioned and tiresome.

Also during the Napoleonic occupation a French officer wrote that the women in Cordoba sat on the floor and were covered, revealing only their eyes. Imagine that fattest lie. The only thing that could happen to me is that the parents or husbands would invent that disguise so that their women would not be raped because otherwise it is unlikely.

[Gallop]

@Gallop. here are the Andalusian references - K13 and K15. You got much less East Med for some reason.

Spanish_Andalucia

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.07
2 West_Med 29.07
3 East_Med 14.11
4 Baltic 8.19
5 West_Asian 3.83
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Northeast_African 1.28
8 Siberian 0.63
9 South_Asian 0.60
10 Sub-Saharan 0.57
11 Oceanian 0.40
12 East_Asian 0.29
13 Amerindian 0.02

Spanish_Andalucia

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.45
2 West_Med 23.21
3 North_Sea 15.69
4 East_Med 11.30
5 Baltic 5.58
6 West_Asian 3.99
7 Eastern_Euro 2.99
8 Red_Sea 2.49
9 Northeast_African 1.32
10 Sub-Saharan 0.52
11 South_Asian 0.48
12 Siberian 0.46
13 Oceanian 0.31
14 Southeast_Asian 0.18
15 Amerindian 0.04

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Me k15

Population
North_Sea 20.35 Pct
Atlantic 31.76 Pct
Baltic 4.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.31 Pct
West_Med 23.82 Pct
West_Asian 6.42 Pct
East_Med 3.13 Pct
Red_Sea 3.37 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.16 Pct
Northeast_African 2.55 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

Thanks! What can be the reason?

[Vasconcelos]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Me k15

Population
North_Sea 20.35 Pct
Atlantic 31.76 Pct
Baltic 4.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.31 Pct
West_Med 23.82 Pct
West_Asian 6.42 Pct
East_Med 3.13 Pct
Red_Sea 3.37 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.16 Pct
Northeast_African 2.55 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

Thanks! What can be the reason?

Maybe your specific area of ancestry had a higher rate of northern settlers, maybe you have Basque ancestry, or maybe it's simply your own variation. But there's no reason why people need to be like their regional average, most aren't, we aren't made in a factory

[FilhoV]

Depends I was made in a Sex Factory

[Lemgrant]

Depends I was made in a Sex Factory

:icon_lol:

[Chaos One]

Nice results, also helped me once more related to North African. Thanks.

[Gallop]

I have obtained these results in MyTrueAncestry

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E6c7UAEoQ08/XLvkQnjXTRI/AAAAAAAAAgg/BUL3qQjAi8MuyUonmwAJuUiiENGH_XxZwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eZuX6X1U93Q/XLx7n9On19I/AAAAAAAAAhQ/Zy6zxcS11PsH4CikYnN7wc3k3KZNfUw7QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainpoblacionesactuales.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_okk7gFnPps/XLx7i0fYKUI/AAAAAAAAAhM/OJlgaJpCMP4HusL27eus9dmjvUJ5kLXnACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestrymatchesantiguos.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QbxD7BypVRk/XL4FQUWyQUI/AAAAAAAAAhs/8HuGDk_xBBo9LA1MfTV21Bkd1zl5mj9fACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainWHITE.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6la_e2eVgrs/XL4Fx3NR4AI/AAAAAAAAAh0/2UuVby4AkfoMTEsu1aKT-yvVFZKJJT07QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main3.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rxuM0FgEE4M/XL4GCmiDLeI/AAAAAAAAAh4/sUvNr5eKXEQYQ1gcjZPY-DgTybVNTnSBwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252815%2529.png

[FilhoV]

NIce results

Similar to mine

[Carlito's Way]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wQLbMiK7vZY/XGvYvRiEO7I/AAAAAAAAADM/Tc2zaX4-q8gqWbiX_c5WhQow1LU9N4TowCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25281%2529.png



This proves Mexicans are more Andalusian than any other Latin American

[Gallop]

These are my results in MyTrueAncestry.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pnTvnkKtbpk/XM-dE2u8OSI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/UCJab7kPtwIFA7Eblz1CSn7bXn_K_BajACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main2BIS.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iANkJmj0_wo/XM-CXoUnmHI/AAAAAAAAAms/JEOY3RORnzckoKRLEw_hgV2mhhChkGoKwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_tM81uJcYTU/XM2lqYPA_pI/AAAAAAAAAmA/3cVIzRKfjQk68JDCjgQsZN4zlDUhrSTRgCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainasiadeep.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0fVTtyy1ey4/XM-INJM12uI/AAAAAAAAAnE/gwIIzKQq6P4pYhLhLRxYW1TK1GHd6UO0QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMASGRANDE.jpg

[Zuh]

You have 0% Jewish ancestry and you are from Southern Spain funny how mexicans are coming with 5-20% Jewish on FTDNA.

[Morena]

Congrats on your results.

[drewcastle]

pen0-
[1] "distancia% = 0.4171"

X

French_Basque, 44.6
Orcadian, 25.8
Sardinian, 18.4
Ossetian, 7.4
Somali, 3.6
Evens, 0.2

pen0.001-
[1] "distance% = 0.5924"

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 86.4
French_Basque, 7.6
Francés, 1.8
Orcadian, 1
Southwest_English, 1
Afghan_Uzbeki, 0.2
Chechen, 0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak, 0.2
Ethiopian_Oromo, 0.2
Hadjar, 0.2
Kanjar, 0.2
North_Dutch, 0.2
North_Ossetian, 0.2
San, 0.2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.2
Sudanese, 0.2

pen0.01-
1 distancia% = 0.5738 "

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 89,8
French_Basque, 5,8
Balkar, 0,6
francés, 0,6
checheno, 0,4
Southwest_English, 0,4
Afghan_Pashtun, 0,2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator, 0,2
Evenki, 0,2
Hadza, 0,2
irlandés, 0,2
North_Ossetian, 0,2
South_Dutch, 0,2
Southeast_English, 0,2
Spanish_Cataluna, 0,2
tabassaran, 0,2
West_Norwegian , 0.2
West_Scottish, 0.2


I have obtained these results in K15. I'm not sure I understand. If you can explain it to me or interpret it to understand it in a more concise way, I would appreciate it.

Hola medio paisano :D
Donde has hecho este cálculo? Con global 25?

[Nassbean]

Black blood is like 1-4% in Iberia (the highest percentage being in Western Spain and Portugal), while Maghrebis are at least 20% SSA on average. Spanish people are European regardless of what you want to present them as.

at least 20% ??? I have less than 20% and a lot of this ssa is related to ANA not modern ssa populations...

[Nassbean]

Looking at his results lmao at menas and other brown people calling Andalusians Moors and such. There is OCEAN of genetic gap between him and North Africans for fuck's sake, check PCA I posted.

He's only half iberian...clearly not a descendent of the original andalusians and only north europeans call andalusians "moors" MENA people don't care and view them as europeans don't worry

[Gallop]

Hola medio paisano :D
Donde has hecho este cálculo? Con global 25?

Hello! Right here in apricity there is a thread where you get the results.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280471-Eurogenes-K15-nmonte

[Gallop]

He's only half iberian...clearly not a descendent of the original andalusians and only north europeans call andalusians "moors" MENA people don't care and view them as europeans don't worry

From the West I sent greetings to the whole world.

[Gallop]

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2
2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2
3. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94
4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57
6. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28
7. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192
9. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
10. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332
11. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769
12. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45
13. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47
14. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63
15. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577
16. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
17. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111
18. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
19. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874
21. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36
22. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102
23. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53
24. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
25. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471
26. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18
27. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23
28. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388
29. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16
30. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43
31. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38
32. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33
33. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767
34. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251
35. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154
36. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32
37. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36
38. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47
39. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875
40. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty
41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14
42. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (24.45) - SZ5
43. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (24.88) - STR_316
44. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.02) - 6DRIF-23
45. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) (25.21) - I2566
46. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.25) - 6DRIF-21
47. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (25.38) - Hinxton 4
48. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (25.61) - SZ42
49. Bronze Age Hebrides Islands (1350 BC) (25.99) - I2655
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (26.22) - SZ12
51. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (26.27) - I5383
52. Halstatt (775 BC) (26.32) - DA112
53. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (26.48) - Hinxton HS3
54. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (26.5) - I2568
55. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (26.62) - CL121
56. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (26.82) - DA119
57. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (26.98) - I2981
58. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.15) - 6DRIF-3
59. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (27.34) - CL92
60. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.36) - scy301

[Gallop]

Me Ancestral Timeline

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=tl

[Gallop]

Your European ancestral map...
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4

Ancestral Timeline
Your ancestral timeline / Journey through time! Below is a timeline of samples you match either by ancestry or by sharing direct DNA segments.

Red lines (matching the red dots on your ancestral maps) are your matching samples.
Blue lines (matching the blue dots on your ancestral maps) are your matching samples which are identified to a specific civilization.
Yellow lines (representing deep dive direct matches) are samples you share direct DNA segments with in cM.

Your relatives from Ancient Times (you share identified DNA segments
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=dd

Your closest matches from Ancient Times...
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=hd

Your closest matches from Ancient Times...
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=arch

[Gallop]

Update of my results.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xt4QEPccE9Q/XOAIygKOo9I/AAAAAAAAAow/mBseqXPwxOkXarhAMG00y1qobyueaEjWgCEwYBhgL/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252826%2529.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CQE4NCFk6rs/XOANr0feHQI/AAAAAAAAAo4/lWZYUDffPh0xSXT4vUeCFRIluMCLGvXlACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_maintimeline.jpg

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034
2. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2
3. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2
4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94
5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313
6. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57
7. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (13.51) - I3585
8. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28
9. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.63) - I2649
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (15.42) - I2515
13. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332
15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769
16. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (16.5) - I3982
17. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.53) - I2644
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.63) - I7425
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (16.75) - I2514
20. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45
21. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47
22. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.63) - I3981
23. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63
24. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577
25. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
26. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111
27. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
28. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.83) - I2647
31. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874
32. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36
33. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102
34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (20.3) - I3582
35. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162
37. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
38. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471
39. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18
40. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (21.55) - I3576
41. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23
42. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.84) - I7424
44. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16
45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.0) - I3581
46. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43
47. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33
49. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767
50. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251
51. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (22.96) - I3983
52. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154
53. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32
54. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36
55. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47
56. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875
57. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty
58. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163

[Gallop]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jh_He3TD4y8/XOPHVtmT9RI/AAAAAAAAApo/mwUTJNYnzyExme82adRcB4dWBX3e2_fPQCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainsegmentos.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zWuoDKFn-A8/XOhAnyBHb7I/AAAAAAAAAq8/sdhfIuh9Rrw70hbByBT8YjYD_P54GewzwCLcBGAs/s1600/metimeline2.jpg

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCk6mWaorsI/XOqF3ZjkE5I/AAAAAAAAArg/96-9mSu3LdsS3LO4J5p8EaLVZZBxM09BACLcBGAs/s1600/Tolan%2Brecent%2Bascentor%2BV2BIS2.jpg

All is for science.

[penask]

I think typical results?

[Gallop]

I think typical results?

I really do not see too many results from other Spaniards in the forum and I would like to see more. I am very proud of my results and I have an ego capable of destroying everything, so I ask you from here for more publications of your results and fewer false profiles and photomontages with 100% Iberians that then disappear and never give more data.

I want to see results, not nonsense.

[Vasconcelos]

I want to see results, not nonsense.

Stick with K13 and K15 then, those other PCAs are all a bit on the meh side (and mytrueancestry is a ripoff). Or just man up and get G25

[Adamm]

Stick with K13 and K15 then, those other PCAs are all a bit on the meh side (and mytrueancestry is a ripoff). Or just man up and get G25

How is G25 any different from other calculators, and is it also compatible for someone from North Africa?

[Gallop]

I think it's time for the Iberians and the Celtiberians to come into play in MyTrueAncestry. Roman Hispania or Galo Roman can not be calling all the time and in all times the Iberians, Celtiberians, Tartessos e.t.c.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0w7mYjSavdE/XOsUaJrqIcI/AAAAAAAAAsY/dpQ0T_k9q_IBzp-JV2aiKswM3D-_jrhWQCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainneoliticosegmento.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SkN46eak0NM/XOsFI3A0-dI/AAAAAAAAAr4/j5C4I7iIQjkmUtF0sdTqhk0ymvSUT8V6QCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainneol%25C3%25ADticoirlanda .jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jJgFwZH7OPE/XOsFeKK-33I/AAAAAAAAAsE/Lx-GxJ4a64wLKlDdYYeXhrlAOv5ExvVJQCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainneol%25C3%25ADticoirlanda ejemplos.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BiT41piRQZc/XOsFnM9WRCI/AAAAAAAAAsI/HJ56u53b3-ojvD6aVKSP3mAdDCzYDOO4QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainneol%25C3%25ADticoirlanda poblacion.jpg

These two maps are my genetic match with people of today by mitochondrial DNA as can be seen.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TFNFv6__1io/XOsEwQ1E4tI/AAAAAAAAArs/lyl1XbG20gAVOqTvdK1AKAXLTm9OxI-bACLcBGAs/s1600/www.familytreednamatchdna.jpg
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Manchester, Fermanagh, Olite, Azpetia, Majones, Cádiz province, and the other Spaniard leaves Granada but I spoke with her and her most remote ancestress was from the province of Seville.

[Vasconcelos]

How is G25 any different from other calculators, and is it also compatible for someone from North Africa?

G25 was built with many more and more varied references, so its coordinates and subsequent models are a lot more reliable than any of the older calcs, including for non-Europeans. Eurogenes K13 and K15 were created by the same person, but some 5 years ago, they are not useless but they are clearly outdated since G25 was released. The creator (David) hasn't bothered with any other PCA since then.

K13/15 still have some use, such as comparing components and see how one sample varies in comparison to others (or their ethnic group), but that's about it.

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mxtNVKYXI6I/XO0dms1tFgI/AAAAAAAAAtc/IcGihu8vsawy-D1I6ouNYtuPQyYRimcFACLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainANCIENTANCESTRY.jpg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZH55SjgGf34/XO0b1fvYIFI/AAAAAAAAAtE/Gnm9Ujvv6KUG1Rf3GOetJG8nbFOap-gowCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainLATEBRONZEAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1j-IaTFjRXQ/XO0bj7s02LI/AAAAAAAAAs8/RkdPh3gyemwNOQtCPSdzNsHkKTZeMY30QCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainIRONAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MApL0Pwvu0k/XO0bTLrU3HI/AAAAAAAAAs0/Rt5jz4ANQNwyCkzFc1hwMo60BvTXIbqbwCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainEARLYMEDIAVALAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iC9S2kUVTTQ/XO0bCrC3_qI/AAAAAAAAAss/2JChfnHL-Qohw-v3izfKUipxeScRjRE0QCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMEDIEVALAGE.jpg

[Gallop]

Your relatives from Ancient Times (you share identified DNA segments)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iANkJmj0_wo/XM-CXoUnmHI/AAAAAAAAAms/JEOY3RORnzckoKRLEw_hgV2mhhChkGoKwCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.jpg

[Lomaioral]

So there are Andalusians who have a very small % of north African blood, i thought most of you guys would score near the 10%.

[Gallop]

So there are Andalusians who have a very small % of north African blood, i thought most of you guys would score near the 10%.

African contacts are older than previously thought: The study found, at sites in Madrid and Cádiz, a couple of individuals with African descent who lived in the Peninsula about 4,000 years ago. These are sporadic contacts, but show that there was an African presence long before the arrival of Muslims on the Peninsula in the 8th century. The scientists also detected a gene flow from North Africa to the Southeast of the Peninsula in Punic and Roman times.

Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, Visigoths and Muslims: Based on the analysis of 24 individuals from the Greek colony of Empúries, founded between the 600s and the late-Roman period in present-day Catalonia, scientists have concluded that at the beginning of The Middle Age of at least a quarter of Iberian ancestry had been replaced by new flows of population from the Eastern Mediterranean (Romans, Greeks and Phoenicians). The researchers also analyzed two individuals of Visigothic origin at a site in Girona and several of Muslim origin in Granada, Valencia, Castellón and Vinaròs. These ‘ancient Iberians’ showed a North African genetic component of almost 50%, while in the current population it is 5%. “This North African ancestry was almost completely eliminated during the Reconquista and the subsequent expulsion of the Moors”, says Carles Lalueza-Fox, one of the directors of the study at the IBE.

https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/

[Nassbean]

So there are Andalusians who have a very small % of north African blood, i thought most of you guys would score near the 10%.

You should know that moriscos were expelled and that andalusia was repopulated by northern iberians

[Gallop]

Family Finder gives me 4% and for example in this calculator I get these results 8`08%

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCk6mWaorsI/XOqF3ZjkE5I/AAAAAAAAArg/96-9mSu3LdsS3LO4J5p8EaLVZZBxM09BACLcBGAs/s1600/Tolan%2Brecent%2Bascentor%2BV2BIS2.jpg

[Lomaioral]

I know that, but i thought the north African ancestry would be more homogeneous near the 10%, since there's a difference in % from north to south with the south having more. And as is known the average north African ancestry in the studies ranges from 5% to 7%

[Vasconcelos]

I know that, but i thought the north African ancestry would be more homogeneous near the 10%, since there's a difference in % from north to south with the south having more. And as is known the average north African ancestry in the studies ranges from 5% to 7%

You may be outdated, but NAfr variation is much stronger going west-east than north-south. There is a study I commented on on the Portuguese section regarding this

[Gallop]

My results in these Yorudnaportal calculators


Updated Eurogenes K13
Calculator model by David Wesolowski of the Eurogenes Project

Go to this independent forum to discuss your results

Closest population distances
Population Distance

Spanish_Cantabria 0.6054525
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.6686957
Southwest_French 0.7146206
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.8047136
Spanish_Aragon 0.8067236
Spanish_Galicia 0.8217951
Spanish_Andalucia 0.8249574
Spanish_Cataluna 0.8486428

Population Value
Spanish_Cantabria 40.6
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.4
French_Basque 12.8
Spanish_Andalucia 9.6
Spanish_Extremadura 7.2
Southwest_French 5.4
Southwest_English 1
Irish 0.8
North_Dutch 0.6
Norwegian 0.6
South_Dutch 0.6
West_Scottish 0.6
Orcadian 0.4
Austrian 0.2
Bulgarian 0.2
East_German 0.2
East_Greenlander 0.2
Hadza 0.2
Icelandic 0.2
Italian_Abruzzo 0.2
Kabardin 0.2
Lebanese_Muslim 0.2
Moldavian 0.2
Moroccan 0.2
North_German 0.2
Papuan 0.2
Sardinian 0.2
Syrian 0.2
Uygur 0.2
Uzbek 0.2

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Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts

EUtest V2 K15
Calculator model by David Wesolowski of the Eurogenes Project

Go to this independent forum to discuss your results

Closest population distances
Population Distance

Spanish_Cantabria 0.6410023
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.7893054
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.8538548
Southwest_French 0.8604313
Spanish_Aragon 0.878975
Spanish_Cataluna 0.9328408
Spanish_Extremadura 0.9642199
Spanish_Andalucia 1.0068878

Population Value
Spanish_Cantabria 71.6
French_Basque 8.2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.2
Gokhem2 4.4
French 2.4
Orcadian 1
Irish 0.8
South_Dutch 0.8
Southwest_English 0.8
Spanish_Galicia 0.8
North_Dutch 0.6
Southeast_English 0.4
Georgian 0.2
Luhya 0.2
Mongolian 0.2
North_German 0.2
Sandawe 0.2
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.2
Uzbek 0.2
West_German 0.2
West_Norwegian 0.2
West_Scottish 0.2

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K15 nMontes
marzo 06, 2019

pen0-
[1] "distancia% = 0.4171"

X

French_Basque, 44.6
Orcadian, 25.8
Sardinian, 18.4
Ossetian, 7.4
Somali, 3.6
Evens, 0.2

pen0.001-
[1] "distance% = 0.5924"

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 86.4
French_Basque, 7.6
Francés, 1.8
Orcadian, 1
Southwest_English, 1
Afghan_Uzbeki, 0.2
Chechen, 0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak, 0.2
Ethiopian_Oromo, 0.2
Hadjar, 0.2
Kanjar, 0.2
North_Dutch, 0.2
North_Ossetian, 0.2
San, 0.2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha, 0.2
Sudanese, 0.2

pen0.01-
1 distancia% = 0.5738 "

X

Spanish_Cantabria, 89,8
French_Basque, 5,8
Balkar, 0,6
francés, 0,6
checheno, 0,4
Southwest_English, 0,4
Afghan_Pashtun, 0,2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator, 0,2
Evenki, 0,2
Hadza, 0,2
irlandés, 0,2
North_Ossetian, 0,2
South_Dutch, 0,2
Southeast_English, 0,2
Spanish_Cataluna, 0,2
tabassaran, 0,2
West_Norwegian , 0.2
West_Scottish, 0.2

[Gallop]

Eurogenes K15

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5eKFGX1pxws/XPG6c3HX2YI/AAAAAAAAAuI/reRU678fUqs9tO-nfjNSTGzeU5AJFCQPwCLcBGAs/s1600/K15V4CUADRICULA.jpg

ESPAÑOL

[Carlito's Way]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wQLbMiK7vZY/XGvYvRiEO7I/AAAAAAAAADM/Tc2zaX4-q8gqWbiX_c5WhQow1LU9N4TowCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25281%2529.png

Yes, Mexico is the most andalusian nation in Latin America
this keeps proving it!!!

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BLCV27WqqGw/XPHIf4CbLGI/AAAAAAAAAuU/C0TPxoU5Ho4ZXYmkcV0hj0EZBz-Gpfz9QCLcBGAs/s1600/gallopmape.jpg

My cousin Ximena liked it.

[Token]

It isn't kit of dude who opened the thread OWD sandnigger. And what you posted is much closer to fucking Frisians and North Euros than to Maghrebis.

Yeah, with the exception of far Southern Europeans such as Sicilians and insular Greeks Europeans are quite closely related to each other despite geographic location.

[Joso]

Very Iberian

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ort3B2pYvIQ/XPMQspXLDxI/AAAAAAAAAuk/KFuPDYzdRf0cNlNBPFiB84Igmhu9HQpHgCLcBGAs/s1600/MAPAMITOCONDRIALM%25C3%258DO.jpeg

Chronology of my mitochondrial DNA from my great-great-grandmother, mother of my great-great-grandmother (photo year 1899) to our days from mother to daughter. Some of the photographs are colored by me from the originals in an artistic style. (Copyright) do not use them without my permission.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rmP9QR0D3iQ/XPMXWVI-tuI/AAAAAAAAAuw/GspIR8_jHlUoScNOtt-I0UR5h5bSc6oFwCLcBGAs/s640/Teresa.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wOZ3DYT-q4c/XPMX3u2u_RI/AAAAAAAAAu4/0XZq6RNUUUMMX3xqh8Qkrnw-Hl8rAXRNACLcBGAs/s640/Catalina%25C3%25B3leollenadefloresbisbis.jpg
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[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uVzPvS5dbGo/XQwtVwxCYMI/AAAAAAAAA24/hCjUxbIq8lI2K9QhjfAkjrxNIu8lk1iYQCLcBGAs/s1600/grafico-virgen3.jpg

Eurogenes K15 Cr x Cr

[Gallop]

In chronological order from my paternal great-grandfather to our days.


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4Jdi3edFboM/XPMtLji6ISI/AAAAAAAAAvk/YoQ4ZNGFeoIfwFFI9gNf5pq3RHoacFdaACLcBGAs/s1600/mapadnaYmio.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kpzPPGp8-bs/XQwzk4xRfBI/AAAAAAAAA3E/M0QcYp2HKQQnUiRWokJpdsh3T04JZ78qgCLcBGAs/s640/317560_10150304337193547_1781878102_n.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WlTl_kocvMU/XQZZrAOYUdI/AAAAAAAAA10/no0OemkhXucNJsFDhWLHR2EPTl3nbnfuwCLcBGAs/s640/papeltiradocalle%2B049.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C_G_To8pGnk/XQZZgq2i3lI/AAAAAAAAA1s/tJy2DrDocUccO73UfnB00KjkGlGnIGjMQCLcBGAs/s640/Diego%2BHinojo%2BGarc%25C3%25ADa.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6WWn_LmzDw/XQeY_OXj-kI/AAAAAAAAA2M/M86s7OHHZAscw68iNmJ4F_aIEeMvWtmQACLcBGAs/s640/monpa.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y632w80t8Ow/XQZZSTTch4I/AAAAAAAAA1k/dWORJFIWU48a1E5YElYlypIL8wpAEh7aQCLcBGAs/s640/diego.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y9NF32IAbYM/XQw3O-xw6OI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/EMmvNJ7aHOElrH9ZomSK_LDrIrYbd9WNACLcBGAs/s640/hermano%2B091bis.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YuPiSRHJzFs/XQw32QBf7EI/AAAAAAAAA3Y/YtocKvJmv4EbVE5T8zYYDYnymXuKuMxjQCLcBGAs/s640/GENES%2B009.jpg

[Gallop]

My ancestors for autosomal DNA

They are old photographs and I have colored many of them myself.
Do not use the images without my permission. (c)

Father of my maternal great-grandmother (Parauta) Malaga
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MnGKhs274VA/XSHxr5ITf0I/AAAAAAAAA7c/VeJ0QMRFQI0pkzQqkjI9VaNtxmIsfMfjQCLcBGAs/s1600/bernardooleo.jpg

Maternal great-grandfather. Cádiz Province
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QExh6eBIN7g/XSHwd2Lcg9I/AAAAAAAAA64/CXrcaJQnufYEukNtpmETJHmz-nSts1f0wCLcBGAs/s1600/Bisabuelofern%25C3%25A1ndez.jpeg

Maternal Great grandmother. (Portugal)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RzQg7f7qP04/XSH0-zh_-dI/AAAAAAAAA7w/UyxKl4GJCdEW7HLG7nUMA0TamOb6k0gfACLcBGAs/s1600/carn%25C3%25A9%2Bde%2Bpepe%2B021.jpg

Maternal great grandfather. Cadiz Province
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Uncle brother of maternal grandfather. Cadiz Province
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Great grandmother by father. Cadiz Province
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GtLTCqJN0HU/XSHxDXlXp9I/AAAAAAAAA7I/z8e-TINOMXgpay3wF3Wd_6lJ2Goi6oFaQCLcBGAs/s1600/womanfan.jpg

Paternal grandmother. Cádiz Province
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RkhL7pYprzc/XSHwq7fgf9I/AAAAAAAAA68/VdNfxrq22H4OnYuWwtqBtaBQfqUWy3QawCLcBGAs/s1600/Micaela2.jpg

Maternal grandfather. Cádiz Province
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[dududud]

My ancestors for autosomal DNA

They are old photographs and I have colored many of them myself.
Do not use the images without my permission. (c)
They looks very western. They could be even frog (french).

Look at my maternal great-great grandfather from Northern France to compare (dont quote the picture)
https://imageshack.com/i/plJFuzPdj

Not very different to your ancestors. Good family and genetic. Good boy, dude.

The westerned face.

[Gallop]

dududud

Certainly your ancestor is very familiar to me.

[Seya]

But Gallop isn't mixed so that is a very unusual result. This is mine for example.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2gw5e12.jpg

Your maps are very unusual. You don't appear to have a strong affinity to anywhere. Most people will get low 90s and late 80s for affinity to certain populations. You have no red squares on your map.
this is mostly common in NW europeans. the more u go south, and even more u go east this type of affinities are gonna be less and less strong. NW europeans are very similar to each other. for example, the whole NW can fit in the the gap between the romanian ethnics:

https://i.imgur.com/qZfhUO6.png

[Jana]

^^and when you add IncelSlayer, who plot few mm above Hungarian dot :D

Seya, your mom plot like typical Slavic speaking Macedonian (or SW Bulgarian), slightly southwest of Bulgarian average.

[Seya]

^^and when you add IncelSlayer, who plot few mm above Hungarian dot :D

Seya, your mom plot like typical Slavic speaking Macedonian (or SW Bulgarian), slightly southwest of Bulgarian average.

yes, if u add IncelSlayer u get a even bigger gap :D u can fit half europe in there :lol: yes, my mom is a bit more western..she has more west med and i have more east med. also she has less asian :)

[Jana]

yes, if u add IncelSlayer u get a even bigger gap :D u can fit half europe in there :lol: yes, my mom is a bit more western..she has more west med and i have more east med. also she has less asian :)

Could that mean that your dad would plot more eastern and score even higher east eurasian than you ? :p
It can be, not not necessarily. I plot more north than both parents, but they tested with different company which has bad rawdata (maybe it skew how we plot as family)

[Seya]

Could that mean that your dad would plot more eastern and score even higher east eurasian than you ? :p
It can be, not not necessarily. I plot more north than both parents, but they tested with different company which has bad rawdata (maybe it skew how we plot as family)

yes, he probably plots more east than i do..in theory, but as u said..not necessarly. your results might be correct as we take half of our DNA from one partent and half from the other but what we take from each of them is random..so u can take more of their northern genes. it's even more common in south east europe as u can see we are a mix of everything here so the components are very divided.

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rNC5Phil-A4/XaRmfx0YSII/AAAAAAAABDk/QlpM4EBGX0MQya5cVVHm0sc0Y5GzHrJyACLcBGAsYHQ/s320/ancienancestry.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-25xitl-62jY/XaR0mMUiMjI/AAAAAAAABEM/P7SEJIeVIYouhBPJp3ZCIr9fE3HBj3eyQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/DeepDivetwo.JPEG

Updated results

[Gallop]

yourDNAportal K36 Ancient Genome Oracle

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IiZFwsnQ4wY/XacvzqVEUlI/AAAAAAAABFY/miMjb10XIRMjtLIguKTGfGGlXbiFNoZ7wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/K36Yourdnaportal2.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vw7zGibLRo4/Xacvu08BAZI/AAAAAAAABFU/SSiD9DIlWfACJLK_I2YtB53Ql8KrQ-EZACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/K36Yourdnaportal.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5uKK7AYK-6c/XacxSLZh4MI/AAAAAAAABFw/K15Ih0OOFbQUyJP4auZ2FT6gI1LlMEirwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Eurogenesk36Nmontes.jpg

Closest population distances
Population Distance

i3759_Celtiberian_IA
1.333519
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
1.423613
I3759_Celtiberian
1.501593
i3758_Celtiberian_IA
1.550354
BA_Hungary_RISE373
1.567452
I3874_Beaker_South_France
1.608371
I10892_Catalonia_medieval
1.650611
SZ45_Pannonian
1.751551

Population Value

i3759_Celtiberian_IA
37
BA_Hungary_RISE373
5
i3758_Celtiberian_IA
4.4
i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
4.2
I3874_Beaker_South_France
2.6
I3759_Celtiberian
2.4
I3578_EMA_Andalusia
2.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032
2
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.8
N_Sweden_Gökhem7
1.8
I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
1.4
SZ43_north-Italian
1.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0113
1.2
CHL_Iberia_I1281
1.2
N_Levant_AinGhazal5
1.2
BA_Srubnaya_I0358
1
CHL_Iberia_I1277
1
IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL
1
CHL_Iberia_I1303
0.8
CWC_Sweden_RISE97
0.8
EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
0.8
Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE566
0.6
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171
0.6
Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.6
CWC_Germany_I0108
0.6
EMA_Alpine_STR_310
0.6
I1767_Beaker_Britain
0.6
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18
0.6
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF21
0.6
SZ28_north-Italian
0.6
SZ45_Pannonian
0.6
BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
0.4
CHL_Iberia_ATP16_
0.4
CHL_Iberia_I1274
0.4
CHL_Remedello_IT_RISE486
0.4
CL36_north-Italian
0.4
CL94_Iberian
0.4
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
0.4
EN_Iberia_I0410
0.4
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
0.4
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
0.4
MN_Germany_I0560
0.4
MN_Iberia_I0405
0.4
Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_6
0.4
Amerindian_Chachapoya
0.2
BA_Armenia_RISE407
0.2
BA_Hungary_BR1
0.2
BA_Hungary_RISE484
0.2
BA_Karasuk_RISE492
0.2
BA_Karasuk_RISE499
0.2
BA_Levant_I0867
0.2
BA_Portugal_ERR1524174
0.2
BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104
0.2
BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803
0.2
BA_Unetice_Germany__I0115
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_249
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37
0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241
0.2
Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE567
0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0112
0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0806
0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_RISE563_
0.2
C1_Nepal_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.2
CHL_Armenia_I1409
0.2
CHL_Iberia_1280
0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1314
0.2
CHL_Iran_I1674
0.2
CHL_Yamnaya_Samara_I0444
0.2
CL151_Longobard
0.2
CL23_north-Italian
0.2
CL31_Greek_Balkan
0.2
CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.2
CL87_Longobard
0.2
CWC_Denmark_RISE61
0.2
CWC_Germany_I0104
0.2
CWC_Germany_I0111
0.2
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC
0.2
DA119_Germanic_chieftain_Poprad
0.2
DA222_Karluk
0.2
DA_205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid
0.2
EBA_Russia_RISE555
0.2
EMA_Balkan_AED_1135
0.2
EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon
0.2
EMA_Hinxton3_Anglosaxon
0.2
EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
0.2
EN_Ballinahatty_Ireland_
0.2
EN_Iberia_I0409
0.2
EN_Iberia_I0411_I041
0.2
I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.2
I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
0.2
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF3
0.2
IA_Sarmatian_PR9_I0574_Pokrovka
0.2
IA_Scythian_I0247b
0.2
IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL
0.2
IA_Wielbark_Kow_45_PL
0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE397
0.2
MA2198_Anatolia_IA
0.2
MBA_ATP2_Iberia
0.2
MBA_ATP9_Iberia
0.2
MBA_Armenia_RISE416
0.2
MBA_Armenia_RISE423
0.2
N_Hungary_CO1
0.2
Natufian__1072
0.2
Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_9
0.2
SZ15_Longobard
0.2
SZ1_Greek-Balkan
0.2
SZ30_Celtic
0.2
SZ3_Longobard
0.2
TAF009_Iberomaurasian
0.2
Visigoth_I12163
0.2

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[Gallop]

yourDNAportal
African

Your African test results
Discover if you possess any of these alleles that are indicative of East and West African ancestry. This test analyses 24 SNPs.
Marker
Your result
rs6586395AC
People with your genotype have one copy of this mutation that is indicative of African ancestry.
rs3825663AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs8075781AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs3768641CC
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs6061779GG
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs10472790TT
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs1871332AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs6875659GG
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs9479657CC
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs1399090CC
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs10777084TT
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs2598202CC
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs6464749AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs6601548TT
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs12347078AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs7865808GG
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs2814778
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs614394
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12311669
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs13335375
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs276954
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs705056
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs1871534
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs10258063
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.


yourDNAportal
EDAR and East Asian

EDAR. Useful for identifying Native American and East Asian ancestry
Your result: People with your genotype do not have this allelle.
This mutation arose 35,000 years ago in China, in a gene called EDAR. It confers, thicker hair follicles, straight hair, shovel shaped incisor teeth, more eccrine sweat glands, greater mammary duct branching density and smaller breasts in women.

This variant is present in Native American and East Asian people. It is not present in Africans and Europeans, therefore it can be used to identify Native American ancestry or track Mongolian influences in Europe and West Asia.
Gene: EDAR rs3827760TT

East Asian
Alleles chosen by Dilawer Khan of EurasianDNA
Discover if you possess any of these alleles that are indicative of East Asian ancestry. This test analyses 73 SNPs.

Marker
Your result

rs4149433CC
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs3827760AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs1512883TC
People with your genotype have one copy of this mutation that is indicative of East Asian ancestry.
rs4738296AA
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs11150606TT
People with your genotype do not have this mutation.
rs12566631
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs10910336
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12562011
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12740262
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs11585538
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs16842807
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs1841085
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs2357233
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs4920224
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs72649918
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs11123695
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12463966
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12470818
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12614691
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12615415
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12620921
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs16983255
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs17036137
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs1866188
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs34537429
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs3888323
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs4676213
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs56806432
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs59111569
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs59407435
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs60975145
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs61327226
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs72627476
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs74261335
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs78404020
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12487625
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12488266
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12633354
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs1400411
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs59511673
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs60522692
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs7433515
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9353969
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12548517
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12678022
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs16938514
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs16938528
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs36171721
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs3931218
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs4738289
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs59215573
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs72622847
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs7464125
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs10841993
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs10841996
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs199666424
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs200524928
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs201909061
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs4372504
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs1337944
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9564275
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9564278
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9571413
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9571454
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9634714
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs9634925
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12437597
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12440942
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs1545397
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs57742857
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs12447859
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs59385041
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs4429562
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.
rs76216964
no call
Your genome file does not contain the SNP for this marker so your result is a no call.

[Gallop]

YourdnaPortal:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MlIwcmpiWzw/Xawb0h2sHfI/AAAAAAAABII/_Wyx2XUTm84WcAe440S6gPMg3fTfHElBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/yourdnaportalafrican.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nkYqmcK3rBw/XawcKtqvoNI/AAAAAAAABIQ/H-yNgkN2eD8FbFZpARFBiWatv1ijDKk9wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YOURDNAPORTAEASTASIAN.JPEG

[Gallop]

New result:

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499

mtDNA: T2e

Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a2

Ancien Group

Gallo roman Illyrian Thracian

Thracian + Illyrian (6.588)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (8.304)
Gallo-Roman (9.094)
Illyrian (9.098)
Thracian (10.21)

Modern Group

1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.17)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.08)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.80)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.01)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.08)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (12.17)
7. North_Italian (12.21)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.36)

Similar Samples

Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) (7.94)
Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.094)
Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (9.098)
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.27)
Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (9.32)

[Nassbean]

New result:

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499

mtDNA: T2e

Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a2

Ancien Group

Gallo roman Illyrian Thracian

Thracian + Illyrian (6.588)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (8.304)
Gallo-Roman (9.094)
Illyrian (9.098)
Thracian (10.21)

Modern Group

1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.17)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.08)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.80)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.01)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.08)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (12.17)
7. North_Italian (12.21)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.36)

Similar Samples

Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) (7.94)
Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.094)
Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (9.098)
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.27)
Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (9.32)

Why do iberians often get illyrian ?

[Gallop]

Why do iberians often get illyrian ?

Here there seem to be interesting hypotheses about the Illyrians in Spain.

https://diegocatalan.blogia.com/2012/021202-9.-6.-los-ilirios.php
http://hispanosenguerra.blogspot.com/2014/12/ilirios-y-ligures.html
http://knowledgeiskeytosuccess.over-blog.com/pages/Los-pueblos-indigenas-de-la-peninsula-iberica-4737507.html

Wikipedia Cántabros:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1ntabros

We have received some fragments that describe these indomitable peoples, such as the verse of the poet Horacio: «Cantabrum indoctum iuga ferre nostra», which means «The Cantabrian, not taught to take our yoke», or the extract of the Roman geographer Strabo who pick up below:

They have glasses of wax like the Celts
Look like the Celts, those of Thracia and Scitia.

Both the gentilicios used by some tribes or Cantabrian clans - in particular that of the orgenomescos / argentomescios? finally displaced to the more montane interior - as well as the equine cults, they are similar to those of the sármatas and Moesios, Mekhi or Mycenaeans. The latter, also of Indo-European language, came from the regions north of the Danube and migrated to very remote places retaining their original or variant names, according to James P. Mallory. Although the foregoing does not allow to specify with certainty the original origin of these groups, genetic studies carried out in the current population of the region, detect in the male genes a percentage mostly affiliated with the haplogroup R-SRY2627 of Nordic origin, and to a lesser extent Haplogroup E E-M81 (4) from North Africa. The simultaneous presence of these haplotypes of African origin among the male population is considered original, and the great variety of origin of mitochondrial haplogroups, among which those usually found in North Africa stand out, suggest several possible successive influences of Celtic populations near the Illyrians that could come from the Aegean Sea region, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania and ancient Thrace where such genes are found today too. Alternatively, some of these genetic subgroups of such disparate origins may have subsequently arrived in Cantabria during the Carthaginian or Roman dominance of the Iberian Peninsula, even during the brief Muslim domination over the southern part of the region.


Actually the theme of Illyria, Scythians and Thracians is a theme that in Spain has never been discussed at an informative level in relation to our own history, but genetic evidence is singing.

I do not know why in Spain the topic is hidden at the popular level, being relegated to scholars because at the popular level, of course, I don't think the terms would be familiar.

[Nassbean]

Here there seem to be interesting hypotheses about the Illyrians in Spain.

https://diegocatalan.blogia.com/2012/021202-9.-6.-los-ilirios.php
http://hispanosenguerra.blogspot.com/2014/12/ilirios-y-ligures.html
http://knowledgeiskeytosuccess.over-blog.com/pages/Los-pueblos-indigenas-de-la-peninsula-iberica-4737507.html

Wikipedia Cántabros:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1ntabros

We have received some fragments that describe these indomitable peoples, such as the verse of the poet Horacio: «Cantabrum indoctum iuga ferre nostra», which means «The Cantabrian, not taught to take our yoke», or the extract of the Roman geographer Strabo who pick up below:

They have glasses of wax like the Celts
Look like the Celts, those of Thracia and Scitia.

Both the gentilicios used by some tribes or Cantabrian clans - in particular that of the orgenomescos / argentomescios? finally displaced to the more montane interior - as well as the equine cults, they are similar to those of the sármatas and Moesios, Mekhi or Mycenaeans. The latter, also of Indo-European language, came from the regions north of the Danube and migrated to very remote places retaining their original or variant names, according to James P. Mallory. Although the foregoing does not allow to specify with certainty the original origin of these groups, genetic studies carried out in the current population of the region, detect in the male genes a percentage mostly affiliated with the haplogroup R-SRY2627 of Nordic origin, and to a lesser extent Haplogroup E E-M81 (4) from North Africa. The simultaneous presence of these haplotypes of African origin among the male population is considered original, and the great variety of origin of mitochondrial haplogroups, among which those usually found in North Africa stand out, suggest several possible successive influences of Celtic populations near the Illyrians that could come from the Aegean Sea region, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania and ancient Thrace where such genes are found today too. Alternatively, some of these genetic subgroups of such disparate origins may have subsequently arrived in Cantabria during the Carthaginian or Roman dominance of the Iberian Peninsula, even during the brief Muslim domination over the southern part of the region.


Actually the theme of Illyria, Scythians and Thracians is a theme that in Spain has never been discussed at an informative level in relation to our own history, but genetic evidence is singing.

I do not know why in Spain the topic is hidden at the popular level, being relegated to scholars because at the popular level, of course, I don't think the terms would be familiar.

Wow i didn't know about all of this very interesting thanks

[Latinus]

Cool as fuck!

[marco]

Which gedmatch calculators is that

[Leto]

...
Hey, can you share your K36 results for a map?

[Gallop]

Hey, can you share your K36 results for a map?


Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.06 Pct
Basque 10.27 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.51 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.03 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Central_Euro 2.24 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.11 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.68 Pct
French 2.81 Pct
Iberian 22.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.41 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.33 Pct
North_African 3.96 Pct
North_Atlantic 12.55 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.57 Pct
North_Sea 10.08 Pct
Northeast_African 1.87 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.11 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.30 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.57 Pct
West_Med 9.67 Pct

[Gallop]

I´m with the name: Juan

MDS plot (with minimum spanning tree)
Here are not only the dots and branches connected with you important, but also the dots nearest to you, just to a lesser extent. A span of longer distance on a
branch shows also shows a greater genetic distance to you.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RbJv3DGuZk4/Xhr1jmqDncI/AAAAAAAACKs/PrcCPKoD2R0ZonafFVlP_PSB0eZQRgB3ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MDSplot.jpeg

CA (Correspondence Analysis plot)
In the case of mixed individuals (with distant ancestry) thIs tool will show them as a mid-point between their ancestral admixtures.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AlbkTAGZadY/Xhr1mUkV-vI/AAAAAAAACKw/0TISdjzzj6kC8V51WZg2OLXPIriMWtkpgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Multivariatestatisticssection.jpeg

Euclidean distances map
From most to less similar population to your sample. Although top of the list is
nearly similar to ordering in correlation list, nevertheless lower positions are in
better order (for exmple at the bottom every Europan has Melanesians,
Amerindians and Africans) compared to distant position on the correlation list
which were random, so I don't provide them.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NiLkbDddDWA/XhpcYmB-5eI/AAAAAAAACKI/zhlVxDIN4W0TOHWfE1L
oYsovPFeTx3XwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/maparojo.jpeg

Correlation map
Below is a Pearson`s linear correlation map which compares your results to
different regional averages around the world (scale – 1, 1). In the case of mixed
persons with distant parental admixtures, the top results are often midpoint
between them, however results lower down the list should show areas from the
derived parental admixtures. For many people this is the best way to show their
actual regional ancestry. It's also worth mentioning that some similar genetic
regions like those from the North Sea Germanic cluster can show up even if they
aren't part of your actual ancestry. The map is a graphical representation of the
correlation values list.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z3WsHOmpqcY/XhpcblQtGwI/AAAAAAAACKM/ZZDWSUDdoukyRUQGLauNEaaL00nwiVWiACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/mape2.jpeg

nMonte3 oracle
nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry. It is also very adept at detecting subtle regional differences. Author of nMonte alghoritm -
Ger Huijbregts.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0MYrhnbAcP8/XhpcenZ1N7I/AAAAAAAACKQ/paGUt7A0i2wl7ilv2_PYXK_2Nseenm65ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/nMontes3Oracle.jpeg

Admix4 oracle (two methods, one of them is usually more speculative)
The oracle works in a similar way to the Gedmatch Oracles, though the estimates here are far more robust. One shouldn‘t take all of them literaly, but rather as
extreme examples of possible diistant admixtures. Admix4 is a different tool which is similar to the Gedmatch oracles. it compares your frequencies to the list of most
similar averages ( The same process as nMonte single item distances) or models you as a combination (two-way, three-way, or four-way) of different populations. In
some cases it will be in line with the actual ethnic combination you inherited from your parents and grandparents ancestries. It may be the case that different
populations show up in each oracle, especially for people of a mixed background. Author of Admix4 oracle - Alexander Burnashev .

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[Lucas]

I´m with the name: Juan
tance to you.

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So it was you. In in single distances or on the map you have Huelva at the top, for Andalusian is good match. But interesingly in oracle you are somewhat French shifted.

But in this oracle you were majority south Spanish.
https://i.imgur.com/zwobnMi.png

[FilhoV]

Nice LM report you seem French shifted though mine I came out going Eastward

https://imgur.com/a/B7DH0oB

[Gallop]

So it was you. In in single distances or on the map you have Huelva at the top, for Andalusian is good match. But interesingly in oracle you are somewhat French shifted.

But in this oracle you were majority south Spanish.
https://i.imgur.com/zwobnMi.png


Yes, Huelva appears first when France and Italy are taken out. I look for the result that is more complete and enlightening.

targeted nMonte Oracle (without French
and Italian references)

ES_Huelva 56
ES_Aragón 11.8
ES_Extremadura 10
ES_Galicia 6
ES_Cataluna 4.6
ES_Leon 4
ES_País_Vasco 3.8
Saharawi 0.8
Moroccan_South 0,6
South_Morocco_Berbers 0.4
TUN_Tunis 0.4
Copt_Sudan 0.4
Portugal_South 0.4
ALG_Oase_Berber 0.2
East_Moroccan_Berbers 0.2

In all oracles it is Cantabria that always appears first. Aunque en esta PCA 2D It is best seen between the Franco-Cantabrian zone and Aragon.

Your closest genetic modern populations...
1. Spanish_Cantabria (6.258)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.723)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (8.458)
4. Southwest_French (8.469)
5. Spanish_Aragon (8.66)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (9.217)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (9.510)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (9.892)

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I am publishing all my results of the dozens of existing calculators. Sometimes there are small differences, but more or less I already get an idea where the subject is going. Huelva is the first time it has come out in such a remarkable way, I really don't have any ancestors from Huelva that I know of, yes from the province of Cádiz and some from the province of Malaga; in this case I can understand it as Andalusia-South; although in the last value appears South of Andalusia-South with its own value.

[Lucas]

Yes, Huelva appears first when France and Italy are taken out. I look for the result that is more complete and enlightening.


I am publishing all my results of the dozens of existing calculators. Sometimes there are small differences, but more or less I already get an idea where the subject is going. Huelva is the first time it has come out in such a remarkable way, I really don't have any ancestors from Huelva that I know of, yes from the province of Cádiz and some from the province of Malaga; in this case I can understand it as Andalusia-South; although in the last value appears South of Andalusia-South with its own value.

Probably Huelva is more straightforward south Spain result in my spreadsheet because it is small region and so so admixed.

[Rocinante]

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.06 Pct
Basque 10.27 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.51 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.03 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Central_Euro 2.24 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.11 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.68 Pct
French 2.81 Pct
Iberian 22.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.41 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.33 Pct
North_African 3.96 Pct
North_Atlantic 12.55 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.57 Pct
North_Sea 10.08 Pct
Northeast_African 1.87 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.11 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.30 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.57 Pct
West_Med 9.67 Pct

Interesante todo tus resultados. Estan parecidos a los de Spaniard 2.0, que plotea bastante al norte tambien.

[Gallop]

Probably Huelva is more straightforward south Spain result in my spreadsheet because it is small region and so so admixed.

https://www.mapasdeespana.com/comunidad/mapa-comunidad-andalucia-provincias.png

Huelva is not a region is a province of the 8 that has the region or autonomous community of Andalusia and as in the rest of Spanish provinces its capital gives name to the entire province. They are quite balanced I do not see Huelva much smaller than the rest of Andalusian regions.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

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K7
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Hi all. I am getting these results and I would like to know your opinions.

Its interesting how Zagoraza, Cantabria and Valladolid appear the closest to Andalusia. I thought Extremadura and Catalonia would be ahead. Basques are obviously far and that expected, but also galicians are the farest among peninsulares and also Baleares is extremely far. In Europe, it interesting how people from Belfast in Northern Ireland are closer than people living around Rome and London. At last, its strange how far is USA with only 19 when England is very close with 60, its also expected Argentina with 66 because of their italians and Venezuelans ahead of other hispanics because of probably their whites were the most testes. Unfortunately Brazil and Uruguay dont have numbers, but it would be very high, especially for Uruguay.

[Rocinante]

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.06 Pct
Basque 10.27 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.51 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.03 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Central_Euro 2.24 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.11 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.68 Pct
French 2.81 Pct
Iberian 22.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.41 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.33 Pct
North_African 3.96 Pct
North_Atlantic 12.55 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.57 Pct
North_Sea 10.08 Pct
Northeast_African 1.87 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.11 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.30 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.57 Pct
West_Med 9.67 Pct

Le he echado una leida a tu K36, calculadora que a mi me gusta mucho, y mi breve conclusion es que tu a juro debes ser ascendiente de la repoblacion del norte de Europa en Sierra Morena. Tienes un absurdo nivel de north-atlantic/north-sea, sumado a lo que sacas de central-euro/east-central-euro y lo que rascas de fennoscandian que esto no es comun fuera de Galicia/Extremadura/Portugal/Asturias, me indica a juro, ascendencia del Norte de Europa en Andalucia. Esto ya se ha visto antes, no es algo raro pero si poco comun.

A Spaniard 2.0 le sucede algo similar, la diferencia es que el rasca demasiado North-Sea.

Muy interesantes tus resultados, si puedes postear tu K47 de yourdnaportal seria la hostia, es un k36 mas actualizado con 11 componentes mas, y tambien te recomiendo el G25.

[Gallop]

Le he echado una leida a tu K36, calculadora que a mi me gusta mucho, y mi breve conclusion es que tu a juro debes ser ascendiente de la repoblacion del norte de Europa en Sierra Morena. Tienes un absurdo nivel de north-atlantic/north-sea, sumado a lo que sacas de central-euro/east-central-euro y lo que rascas de fennoscandian que esto no es comun fuera de Galicia/Extremadura/Portugal/Asturias, me indica a juro, ascendencia del Norte de Europa en Andalucia. Esto ya se ha visto antes, no es algo raro pero si poco comun.

A Spaniard 2.0 le sucede algo similar, la diferencia es que el rasca demasiado North-Sea.

Muy interesantes tus resultados, si puedes postear tu K47 de yourdnaportal seria la hostia, es un k36 mas actualizado con 11 componentes mas, y tambien te recomiendo el G25.

Qué tal, veo que tiene una visión muy amplia yo soy un aficionado sólo.

Mis resultados de k47 en yorudnaportal son estos:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C7_9CNyYyuw/Xl7f2TS-TYI/AAAAAAAADFM/BqG6UYVRPAYQT5K2lloH5aBhtakKCPcIACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Image3.jpg

¿Cómo lo ve? Global 25 a cuál se refiere hay 40.000 calculadoras.

[gixajo]

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.06 Pct
Basque 10.27 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.51 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.03 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Central_Euro 2.24 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.11 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.68 Pct
French 2.81 Pct
Iberian 22.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.41 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.33 Pct
North_African 3.96 Pct
North_Atlantic 12.55 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.57 Pct
North_Sea 10.08 Pct
Northeast_African 1.87 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.11 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.30 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.57 Pct
West_Med 9.67 Pct

Acabo de ver tus resultados, son bastante peculiares .

¿Has podido indagar sobre tus antepasados?

[gixajo]

Qué tal, veo que tiene una visión muy amplia yo soy un aficionado sólo.



¿Cómo lo ve? Global 25 a cuál se refiere hay 40.000 calculadoras.

¿Te importaría poner el oracle del EuTest y el oracle del k13 de YourDnaPortal?

[Gallop]

¿Te importaría poner el oracle del EuTest y el oracle del k13 de YourDnaPortal?

En absoluto, son estas

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Cómo lo ves?

[Defcon2]

¿Cómo lo ve? Global 25 a cuál se refiere hay 40.000 calculadoras.

Aquí debe de pasar por todos los testes que puedas, pásate por estos dos, los hizo un mago:

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Religion_G25_calculator.htm

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316237-Reinos-Espa%F1oles-(only-iberian-people)

[Gallop]

[QUOTE=Defcon2;6539129]Aquí debe de pasar por todos los testes que puedas, pásate por estos dos, los hizo un mago:

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Religion_G25_calculator.htm

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316237-Reinos-Espa%F1oles-(only-iberian-people)[/QUO

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0.20460268 Shi'ite_Islam:Iranian_Bandari
0.20611896 Sunni_Islam:Libyan
0.20669636 Sunni_Islam:Yemenite_Dhamar
0.20872230 Sunni_Islam:Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.20968626 Judaism:Yemenite_Jew
0.21097862 Sunni_Islam:Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.21184008 Sunni_Islam:Algerian
0.21324116 Sunni_Islam:Yemenite_Al_Jawf

[gixajo]

Cómo lo ves?

Lo veo bien, pero lo que más me interesarían serían los oracles de esos dos del mismo yourdnaportal.

Edito:comparándo esos, tampoco veo tanta diferencia con los mios, especialmente el k13

Me despistan mucho tus resultados de FTDNA, que son muy diferentes, y el mapa de k36, y alguna cosa puntual que hace que una cosa y otra cuadre mal.

A ver, no veo nada raro en cada resultado particular , pero todos mirando todo en conjunto, no soy capaz de encontrar una idea coherente que los explique.

no sé si me entiendes.

Yo tampoco soy ningún experto, pero tenía cierto método propio.

[Defcon2]

Escalado o sin escalar?

Escalados, igualmente se ve en la distancia, si es muy distante o sin sentido es que te equivocaste de coordenadas.

Para ver oracles en yourdanaportal hay que darle donde el ojo azul.

[Gallop]

Escalados, igualmente se ve en la distancia, si es muy distante o sin sentido es que te equivocaste de coordenadas.

Para ver oracles en yourdanaportal hay que darle donde el ojo azul.

Cierto, hacía tiempo que no entraba en Yourdna

EU TEST

Population
Value
ES
39.4
French_Basque
20.8
FR
9.4
Sardinian
8
North_Italian
4
Cornish
2.6
Moroccan
2.6
IE
2.2
Orcadian
1.8
NL
1.4
South_&_Central_Swedish
1.2
English
1
Mozabite_Berber
1
PT
1
Scottish
1
DE
0.6
DK
0.6
NO
0.4
GE
0.2
Luhya
0.2
Maasai
0.2
Nganassan
0.2
Tuscan
0.2


k13

Population
Value
Spanish_Cantabria
36.8
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
18.6
French_Basque
14.2
Southwest_French
9
Spanish_Andalucia
8.4
Spanish_Extremadura
3.8
Spanish_Galicia
1.6
West_Scottish
1
Irish
0.6
North_Dutch
0.6
Balkar
0.4
Biaka_Pygmy
0.4
French
0.4
Orcadian
0.4
Southwest_English
0.4
Adygei
0.2
Central_Greek
0.2
Danish
0.2
East_German
0.2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.2
Hadza
0.2
Hezhen
0.2
Icelandic
0.2
Mandenka
0.2
Norwegian
0.2
Pathan
0.2
Sardinian
0.2
South_Dutch
0.2
Tabassaran
0.2
Tatar
0.2
Turkmen
0.2
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.2

[gixajo]

Gracias.

No , no son tan incoherentes.

Investiga tus antepasados si puedes, entre otras cosas te da casi tanto vasco como lo que me da a mí, y la mitad de mi herencia genética viene de familia materna vasca (aunque alavesa puntualizo).

Y por lo que yo sé, comparando con alguien con un 90% vasco, mi % es bastante coherente con ser solo un 50%, y tu estás casi a la par que yo. (Por esa regla de tres tu eres algo más de un 40%.) Edito esto, sería algo menos de un 40%.Aún así, es bastante relevante.

Aunque esto no es una ciencia exacta, y mucho depende de qué compañía ha sacado tus datos en crudo, y de que no dejan de ser estimaciones. El test de saliva es de FTDNA?

Entre MH y 23AndMe, los resultados de los gedmatch y similares varían algo en algunos marcadores. No controlo bien los datos en crudo de FTDNA.

[Gallop]

Gracias.

No , no son tan incoherentes.

Investiga tus antepasados si puedes, entre otras cosas te da casi tanto vasco como lo que me da a mí, y la mitad de mi herencia genética viene de familia materna vasca (aunque alavesa puntualizo).

Y por lo que yo sé, comparando con alguien con un 90% vasco, mi % es bastante coherente con ser solo un 50%, y tu estás casi a la par que yo. (Por esa regla de tres tu eres algo más de un 40%.) Edito esto, sería algo menos de un 40%.Aún así, es bastante relevante.

Aunque esto no es una ciencia exacta, y mucho depende de qué compañía ha sacado tus datos en crudo, y de que no dejan de ser estimaciones. El test de saliva es de FTDNA?

Entre MH y 23AndMe, los resultados de los gedmatch y similares varían algo en algunos marcadores. No controlo bien los datos en crudo de FTDNA.

Sí el tests de saliva es en FTDNA. Yo mismo me sorprendí cuando saqué tanto vasco en el resto de aplicaciones pero en los match con gente actual de FTDNA tengo un porrón entre el país Vasco, Navarra. Puede que FTDNA no tenga una base de datos de poblaciones modernas bastante completa pero en general la prefiero al resto de compañías. Obtuve estos resultados en Genetics24 por lo visto están basados en 700.000 ejemplos de poblaciones modernas.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaYynHNmk5s/Xk2zFkfmtLI/AAAAAAAAC6Q/jtBfa35s59AYisO64moPpBJB4lKZm5xSQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GlobalVision.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oFPwRJC-eAU/Xk2zSEdsyRI/AAAAAAAAC6k/f0O4Z2R-k7gCbzneO1K0PbdDXto4xlGCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionesenEurope.jpeg
Dicen que los hombres de Connacht eran guapos y sabios y ves por ahí digo: joder será verdad que tengo ese % de ahí.

Los globales son bastante similares a los de FTDNA

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oFPwRJC-eAU/Xk2zSEdsyRI/AAAAAAAAC6k/f0O4Z2R-k7gCbzneO1K0PbdDXto4xlGCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionesenEurope.jpeg

Creo que FTDNA no tiene una base de población moderna como la que tiene 24 Genetics

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ttZKBFHgt8U/Xk2zV0fh_OI/AAAAAAAAC6s/FvokEE_vZO8qd0R1SsPvcSH8gAT7LzDmwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/regionesinEurope.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L8_4-Zh-NnU/Xk2zZrucWoI/AAAAAAAAC60/uCQY5R40ca4NdwCEqORnmES3f9C4U49RQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionsinAfrica.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HKr2JxN_d5w/Xk2zcNwMW6I/AAAAAAAAC64/7fyvAq-ubSEUPO7hJytnlUWgwBIQzL5hACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionsinAsia.jpeg

Por ejemplo con estos datos y la calculadora de fenotipos sale esto
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oFPwRJC-eAU/Xk2zSEdsyRI/AAAAAAAAC6k/f0O4Z2R-k7gCbzneO1K0PbdDXto4xlGCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionesenEurope.jpeg

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 16.9216% / 0.16921580
60.6 Gracile_Med
39.4 Brunn

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.17072006 Atlanto-Med
0.17191601 Gracile_Med
0.17234813 Alpine
0.17456389 North_Atlantid
0.17525195 Keltic_Nordic
0.17558221 Brunn
0.17661226 Faelid
0.17683883 Noric
0.17689578 Trønder
0.17692500 Nordic
0.18034488 Pontid
0.18047906 Dinarid
0.18203801 Aegean-Med
0.18622823 Neo-Danubian
0.18706078 North_Pontid
0.18836172 East_Baltic
0.19355250 Berberid
0.19355250 Saharid
0.19477780 Assyroid
0.19520336 Armenid
0.19656974 Caspid
0.19731081 Mtebid
0.19926793 Iranid
0.20228814 Pamirid
0.20303019 Polynesid
0.20679572 Turanid
0.20753568 Irano-Afghan
0.20784349 Orientalid
0.21013195 Nord_Indid
0.21486975 Ethiopid
0.21732926 Uralid
0.22061664 Gracile_Indid
0.22065363 Indo-Brachid
0.22974557 Tungid
0.23006707 Paleo-Mongoloid
0.23114830 Weddoid
0.23135585 Negritid
0.23267291 South_Sinid
0.23314180 Sudanid
0.23368540 North_Sinid
0.23504919 Bantuid.
0.23965486 Nilotid
0.25360605 Sibirid
0.26924708 Silvid
0.27181241 Australoid
0.29729557 Centralid
0.30587121 Patagonid
0.31023417 Andid
0.31864706 Melanesid
0.32086628 Amazonid
0.35284441 Bambutid

Sobre la familia es complicado ya que además de ser nativo de una población que cuenta con tan sólo poco más de 200 años los archivos se quemaron como ya sabes que sucedió en tantos lugares de España. Pero el origen es con la repoblación de Carlos lll pero en principio es con gentes de pueblos vecinos. Mi familia paterna dice que venimos de un legionario desertor de las tropas de Napoleón de Montejaque Málaga y que se cambió el apellido y en ese pueblo es donde más se destruyeron los archivos de toda la provincia de Málaga.

Ahora mismo lo que más me interesaría es ver a ese antepasado por tradición oral que ahí hay algo porque gentes de pueblo normalmente no se inventarían algo así, de modo que en esa tradición oral tiene que haber algo. En Yfull la verdad es que estoy situado junto a un holandés y aguas abajo son todos extranjeros también y mi línea además sale de un nudo, pero confío en que se conseguirá averiguar.

Ahí sale Poitou Charentes pero claro cómo voy a saber ahí el % que hay de E-V22 siguiendo la tradición oral y como una pista; aunque también en otro resultado de otro estudio saqué mucho de la borgoña.

[gixajo]

Sí el tests de saliva es en FTDNA. Yo mismo me sorprendí cuando saqué tanto vasco en el resto de aplicaciones pero en los match con gente actual de FTDNA tengo un porrón entre el país Vasco, Navarra. Puede que FTDNA no tenga una base de datos de poblaciones modernas bastante completa pero en general la prefiero al resto de compañías. Obtuve estos resultados en Genetics24 por lo visto están basados en 700.000 ejemplos de poblaciones modernas.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaYynHNmk5s/Xk2zFkfmtLI/AAAAAAAAC6Q/jtBfa35s59AYisO64moPpBJB4lKZm5xSQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GlobalVision.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oFPwRJC-eAU/Xk2zSEdsyRI/AAAAAAAAC6k/f0O4Z2R-k7gCbzneO1K0PbdDXto4xlGCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionesenEurope.jpeg
Dicen que los hombres de Connacht eran guapos y sabios y ves por ahí digo: joder será verdad que tengo ese % de ahí.

Los globales son bastante similares a los de FTDNA

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oFPwRJC-eAU/Xk2zSEdsyRI/AAAAAAAAC6k/f0O4Z2R-k7gCbzneO1K0PbdDXto4xlGCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionesenEurope.jpeg

Creo que FTDNA no tiene una base de población moderna como la que tiene 24 Genetics

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ttZKBFHgt8U/Xk2zV0fh_OI/AAAAAAAAC6s/FvokEE_vZO8qd0R1SsPvcSH8gAT7LzDmwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/regionesinEurope.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L8_4-Zh-NnU/Xk2zZrucWoI/AAAAAAAAC60/uCQY5R40ca4NdwCEqORnmES3f9C4U49RQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionsinAfrica.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HKr2JxN_d5w/Xk2zcNwMW6I/AAAAAAAAC64/7fyvAq-ubSEUPO7hJytnlUWgwBIQzL5hACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionsinAsia.jpeg

Por ejemplo con estos datos y la calculadora de fenotipos sale esto
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oFPwRJC-eAU/Xk2zSEdsyRI/AAAAAAAAC6k/f0O4Z2R-k7gCbzneO1K0PbdDXto4xlGCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/RegionesenEurope.jpeg

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 16.9216% / 0.16921580
60.6 Gracile_Med
39.4 Brunn

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.17072006 Atlanto-Med
0.17191601 Gracile_Med
0.17234813 Alpine
0.17456389 North_Atlantid
0.17525195 Keltic_Nordic
0.17558221 Brunn
0.17661226 Faelid
0.17683883 Noric
0.17689578 Trønder
0.17692500 Nordic
0.18034488 Pontid
0.18047906 Dinarid
0.18203801 Aegean-Med
0.18622823 Neo-Danubian
0.18706078 North_Pontid
0.18836172 East_Baltic
0.19355250 Berberid
0.19355250 Saharid
0.19477780 Assyroid
0.19520336 Armenid
0.19656974 Caspid
0.19731081 Mtebid
0.19926793 Iranid
0.20228814 Pamirid
0.20303019 Polynesid
0.20679572 Turanid
0.20753568 Irano-Afghan
0.20784349 Orientalid
0.21013195 Nord_Indid
0.21486975 Ethiopid
0.21732926 Uralid
0.22061664 Gracile_Indid
0.22065363 Indo-Brachid
0.22974557 Tungid
0.23006707 Paleo-Mongoloid
0.23114830 Weddoid
0.23135585 Negritid
0.23267291 South_Sinid
0.23314180 Sudanid
0.23368540 North_Sinid
0.23504919 Bantuid.
0.23965486 Nilotid
0.25360605 Sibirid
0.26924708 Silvid
0.27181241 Australoid
0.29729557 Centralid
0.30587121 Patagonid
0.31023417 Andid
0.31864706 Melanesid
0.32086628 Amazonid
0.35284441 Bambutid

Sobre la familia es complicado ya que además de ser nativo de una población que cuenta con tan sólo poco más de 200 años los archivos se quemaron como ya sabes que sucedió en tantos lugares de España. Pero el origen es con la repoblación de Carlos lll pero en principio es con gentes de pueblos vecinos. Mi familia paterna dice que venimos de un legionario desertor de las tropas de Napoleón de Montejaque Málaga y que se cambió el apellido y en ese pueblo es donde más se destruyeron los archivos de toda la provincia de Málaga.

Ahora mismo lo que más me interesaría es ver a ese antepasado por tradición oral que ahí hay algo porque gentes de pueblo normalmente no se inventarían algo así, de modo que en esa tradición oral tiene que haber algo. En Yfull la verdad es que estoy situado junto a un holandés y aguas abajo son todos extranjeros también y mi línea además sale de un nudo, pero confío en que se conseguirá averiguar.

Ahí sale Poitou Charentes pero claro cómo voy a saber ahí el % que hay de E-V22 siguiendo la tradición oral y como una pista; aunque también en otro resultado de otro estudio saqué mucho de la borgoña.

Todos los que tenemos parte de nuestro origen en Andalucía y nos sale algo del centro de Europa acabamos pensando en lo mismo, Nuevas Poblaciones de Andalucía y Sierra Morena, algún soldado extranjero de las guerras napoleónicas o algún antepasado visigodo.

Si tienes algún antepasado colono centroeuropeo de las Nuevas Poblaciones de finales el XVIII, es realtivamente fácil hacer una investigación en archivos parroquiales o registros municipales y llegar hasta ese antepasado, siempre y cuando los archivos no estén destruido, porque en Andalucía siempre hubo la costumbre de quemar cosas en las guerras. Es un hecho relativamente reciente, lo único que se necesita es tiempo, y estar dispuesto a moverse de un sitio a otro, desde internet es complicado.

[Rocinante]

Qué tal, veo que tiene una visión muy amplia yo soy un aficionado sólo.

Mis resultados de k47 en yorudnaportal son estos:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C7_9CNyYyuw/Xl7f2TS-TYI/AAAAAAAADFM/BqG6UYVRPAYQT5K2lloH5aBhtakKCPcIACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Image3.jpg

¿Cómo lo ve? Global 25 a cuál se refiere hay 40.000 calculadoras.

Gracias por haber compartido tu K47.

Comprueba lo que dije, tienes demasiado north-sea en el k47, esto no es tan común, solo a Spaniard 2.0 le marca tanto. Somos ya a 3 españoles (soy 3/4 astur-galaico) que nos marca scando-germanic, esto que significa? Ascendencia del occidente peninsular a causa del Reino suevo, o en tu caso, repoblación de Sierra morena. El west-iberian esta elevadito significando que podrías tener algo de vasco, esto es normal en un andaluz. El Celtic esta en valores algo normales, pero esos niveles son dignos de un cántabro, agarra mas sentido con el west-iberian.

Lo que me flipa la tapa, es tu nivel de baltic y west finnic, Madre mia. En Andalucia hubo alguna repoblación de países bálticos o eslavicos?

[Rocinante]

Y perdona tienes razón, posteame porfa el World 25 Nicola Scaled, el ancient components y World k50.

[Gallop]

Ultimate Modern World K=50 Calculator for G25

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.7604% / 0.01760361
76.2 Basque
8.0 Iberian
7.2 Abkhasian_Georgian
3.8 Northwest_African
2.6 Somali_Oromo
1.4 Balto_Slavic_South
0.8 Uralic

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02538864 Iberian
0.03735910 Basque
0.04797644 Belgian_French
0.06521866 Greek_Albanian
0.07264279 Balkan
0.07405375 North_Sea_Germanic
0.07811980 Northwest_European
0.08169748 Central_European
0.08468330 Sicilian_Maltese
0.09028182 Scando_Germanic
0.10683658 Polish_Ukrainian
0.11382190 European_Jewish
0.12581616 Balto_Slavic_South
0.13065369 Balto_Slavic_North
0.13531456 West_Turkish
0.14488219 Finnic
0.15009715 Levant
0.15225170 Circassian
0.15644543 Azeri
0.15686137 Armenian_Assyrian
0.17142733 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.17474981 Iranian
0.18360442 Northeast_African
0.18744858 Tajik
0.21117482 Yemenite_Arab
0.21296239 Udmurt
0.22027186 Northwest_African
0.23092056 Pashtun
0.26600097 Dardic
0.32757457 Tamil_Brahmin
0.34207400 Steppe_Turkic
0.38148296 Amharic
0.38781573 Pallar_Maratha
0.41682944 Uralic
0.43779698 South_Indian
0.45436255 Somali_Oromo
0.45697990 Nepali_Manipuri
0.47463053 Jharkhandi_Forest_Tribes
0.53231210 Buryat_Mongolian
0.57351587 Eskimo
0.57441323 Ethiopian_Ari_Masai
0.58413410 Tundra_Yukagir
0.58439139 Southeast_Asian
0.61720940 Nasioi
0.63835941 Australian
0.67141313 Amerindian
0.69813486 Ethiopian_Anuak
0.73290642 West_African
0.80732409 Malawi_San
0.81019047 Papuan

Por Dios no creo que mi presunto antepasado de las tropas de Napoleón sea ese Belgian-French xd

[Gallop]

Gracias por haber compartido tu K47.

Comprueba lo que dije, tienes demasiado north-sea en el k47, esto no es tan común, solo a Spaniard 2.0 le marca tanto. Somos ya a 3 españoles (soy 3/4 astur-galaico) que nos marca scando-germanic, esto que significa? Ascendencia del occidente peninsular a causa del Reino suevo, o en tu caso, repoblación de Sierra morena. El west-iberian esta elevadito significando que podrías tener algo de vasco, esto es normal en un andaluz. El Celtic esta en valores algo normales, pero esos niveles son dignos de un cántabro, agarra mas sentido con el west-iberian.

Lo que me flipa la tapa, es tu nivel de baltic y west finnic, Madre mia. En Andalucia hubo alguna repoblación de países bálticos o eslavicos?

4 Datos sobre mi familia:

Nativo de una población fundada por Carlos lll para la repoblación de Andalucía con vecinos de pueblos colindantes principalmente norte provincia Cádiz, norte provincia Málaga principalmente.

1. Supuestamente por dnaY antepasado desertor de las tropas de Napoleón en Andalucía. Tradición oral dato comprobado, Montejaque relacionado con la ocupación Francesa y deserciones en la zona.
2. Posible o presunta relación con la familia del hispano-godo Samuel, tradición oral. Hecho comprobado, trastarabuelo antepasado nativo de Parauta población natal de dicho personaje.
4. Tatarabuela portuguesa de apellidos Ardila Figueira posiblemente por los apellidos del centro de Portugal.
3. Primo paterno con la mandíbula de los Hansburgo.

[Rocinante]

4 Datos sobre mi familia:

Nativo de una población fundada por Carlos lll para la repoblación de Andalucía con vecinos de pueblos colindantes principalmente norte provincia Cádiz, norte provincia Málaga principalmente.

1. Supuestamente por dnaY antepasado desertor de las tropas de Napoleón en Andalucía. Tradición oral dato comprobado, Montejaque relacionado con la ocupación Francesa y deserciones en la zona.
2. Posible o presunta relación con la familia del hispano-godo Samuel, tradición oral. Hecho comprobado, trastarabuelo antepasado nativo de Parauta población natal de dicho personaje.
4. Tatarabuela portuguesa de apellidos Ardila Figueira posiblemente por los apellidos del centro de Portugal.
3. Primo paterno con la mandíbula de los Hansburgo.

Coge más sentido, aunque no veo el porque tanto balto-finico, insisto, eso podría venir de algún polaco repoblador en Andalucia, pero esto ya son suposiciones mías. Agarras demasiado vasco en el world k50, podrías pasarme el world nicola 25 scaled?

[Gallop]

Coge más sentido, aunque no veo el porque tanto balto-finico, insisto, eso podría venir de algún polaco repoblador en Andalucia, pero esto ya son suposiciones mías. Agarras demasiado vasco en el world k50, podrías pasarme el world nicola 25 scaled?

La ocupación francesa en la zona de Andalucía a la que me remito creo que estaba compuesta por un ejercito franco-polaco por dar un dato más.

Es esta calculadora?

Andre's World Calculator calculator

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.1407% / 0.02140712
48.4 Mediterranean
40.0 Celtic-Germanic
7.2 North_African
3.0 Caucasus
1.0 Sub_Saharan_nilotic
0.4 Uralic

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.03903458 Mediterranean:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05636289 Celtic-Germanic:Belgian
0.05726834 Mediterranean:Italian_Tuscany
0.06601489 Celtic-Germanic:French_Brittany
0.07688595 Mediterranean:Italian_Abruzzo
0.07812947 Celtic-Germanic:Scottish
0.07828393 Celtic-Germanic:Dutch
0.08024596 Celtic-Germanic:Irish
0.08749666 Mediterranean:Greek_Ionia
0.08882137 Celtic-Germanic:Norwegian
0.09584165 Mediterranean:Sardinian
0.10899741 Balto-Slavic:Polish
0.12442018 Balto-Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
0.13379472 Balto-Slavic:Lithuanian_PA
0.14556681 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Druze
0.14931685 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Lebanese_Christian
0.15271688 Caucasus:Adygei
0.15771912 Caucasus:Chechen
0.15806775 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Armenian
0.15860851 West_Iranic:Ezid
0.16110891 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Palestinian
0.16161713 Caucasus:Avar
0.16269169 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Assyrian
0.16425893 Caucasus:Georgian_Laz
0.16525300 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Samaritan
0.16789586 West_Iranic:Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.17101607 West_Iranic:Iranian_Fars
0.17144105 Mediterranean:Spanish_Andalucia
0.17150036 Caucasus:Abkhasian
0.17219157 West_Iranic:Iranian_Lor
0.17968551 Mediterranean:Italian_Molise
0.18413062 Mediterranean:Greek_Kos
0.18622823 Balto-Slavic:Belarusian
0.19317954 Egyptian:Egyptian
0.19530765 North_African:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.20136586 Uralic:Udmurt
0.20226094 Indo-East_Iranic:Parsi_Pakistan
0.20872230 Arabic:Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.21339512 Indo-East_Iranic:Kashmiri_Pandit
0.21773917 Arabic:BedouinB
0.21894228 Arabic:Saudi
0.22179594 Indo-East_Iranic:Bengali_Bangladesh
0.22902224 Indo-East_Iranic:Hakkipikki
0.22939840 Sub_Saharan_west:Mandenka
0.23283885 Turkic:Turkmen
0.23382149 Indo-East_Iranic:Balochi
0.23671903 Sub_Saharan_bantu:Bantu_Kenya
0.23672621 Indo-East_Iranic:Pashtun
0.23965486 Sub_Saharan_nilotic:Dinka
0.24063114 Indo-East_Iranic:Kalash
0.25420733 North_African:Saharawi
0.25512413 Indo-East_Iranic:Punjabi_Jatt
0.27221069 Indo-East_Iranic:Kashmiri_Pandit
0.28033802 Turkic:Uzbek
0.32529854 Turkic:Uygur
0.36655477 Uralic:Mansi
0.41410563 North_African:Berber_Algeria
0.45350644 Mongolian:Khakass_Kachins
0.45392840 Mongolian:Altaian
0.46773348 Uralic:Nenets
0.49050305 Mongolian:Mongolian
0.51147610 Mongolian:Tuvinian
0.62307017 Uralic:Nganassan

[gixajo]

4 Datos sobre mi familia:

Nativo de una población fundada por Carlos lll para la repoblación de Andalucía con vecinos de pueblos colindantes principalmente norte provincia Cádiz, norte provincia Málaga principalmente.

1. Supuestamente por dnaY antepasado desertor de las tropas de Napoleón en Andalucía. Tradición oral dato comprobado, Montejaque relacionado con la ocupación Francesa y deserciones en la zona.
2. Posible o presunta relación con la familia del hispano-godo Samuel, tradición oral. Hecho comprobado, trastarabuelo antepasado nativo de Parauta población natal de dicho personaje.
4. Tatarabuela portuguesa de apellidos Ardila Figueira posiblemente por los apellidos del centro de Portugal.
3. Primo paterno con la mandíbula de los Hansburgo.

De todo eso quitaría lo de la tradición oral y me quedaría con la abuela portuguesa y lo de ser nativo de una de las nuevas poblaciones. Con eso ya explicas bastante.

Por otro lado, he mirado por encima tus haplotipos paterno y materno, pero no sé con que zonas de Europa se relacionan los subclados.

Tampoco me explica nada de eso lo alto que das en vasco.

[gixajo]

Mi k47 de YouDnaPortal, por si quieres comparar.


Population
Percentage
Kushitic
0.00%
North Iberian
20.36%
East Iberian
10.32%
Tibeto Burman
0.00%
North African
3.62%
South Caucasian
0.00%
North Caucasian
0.00%
Paleo Balkan
3.90%
Turkic Altai
0.00%
Proto Austronesian
0.00%
Nilotic
0.00%
East Mediterranean
0.71%
Omotic
0.00%
Munda
0.00%
North Amerind
0.00%
Arabic
6.68%
East European
3.55%
Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%
Andean
0.00%
Indo Chinese
0.00%
South Indian
0.00%
North East Asian
0.00%
Volgan
0.00%
Mongolian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
North Sea Germanic
8.75%
Celtic
11.24%
West African
0.00%
West Finnic
3.11%
Uralic
0.00%
Sahelian
0.00%
North West Indian
0.00%
East African Hunter Gatherer
0.30%
East Asian
0.00%
Amuro Manchurian
0.00%
Scando Germanic
5.28%
Iranian
0.00%
South African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%
Amazonian
0.00%
Baltic
4.53%
Malay
0.00%
Meso Amerind
0.00%
South Chinese
0.00%
Papuan
0.00%
West Mediterranean
12.68%
Pamirian
0.00%
Central Mediterranean
4.96%

[gixajo]

Los datos del oracle de Eutest 13 de YouDnaPortal que quería eran éstos:


Population
Value
ES
59
French_Basque
27.4
Moroccan
4.8
North_Italian
1.8
Scottish
1.2
Algerian
1
IE
1
Mozabite_Berber
1
Orcadian
0.6
HU
0.4
RO
0.4
South_&_Central_Swedish
0.4
AT
0.2
Cornish
0.2
DE
0.2
PL
0.2
Serbian
0.2


Y del k13 éstos.


Population
Value
Southwest_French
45.4
Spanish_Galicia
20.8
Spanish_Cantabria
16.8
French_Basque
9
Sardinian
2
Spanish_Extremadura
2
Stuttgart
0.8
East_German
0.6
Moldavian
0.4
Algerian
0.2
Austrian
0.2
Chuvash
0.2
East_Finnish
0.2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.2
Moroccan
0.2
North_Kannadi
0.2
North_Swedish
0.2
Russian_Smolensk
0.2
South_Polish
0.2
Southwest_Finnish
0.2

[Gallop]

Los datos del oracle de Eutest 13 de YouDnaPortal que quería eran éstos:


Population
Value
ES
59
French_Basque
27.4
Moroccan
4.8
North_Italian
1.8
Scottish
1.2
Algerian
1
IE
1
Mozabite_Berber
1
Orcadian
0.6
HU
0.4
RO
0.4
South_&_Central_Swedish
0.4
AT
0.2
Cornish
0.2
DE
0.2
PL
0.2
Serbian
0.2


Population
Value
ES
39.4
French_Basque
20.8
FR
9.4
Sardinian
8
North_Italian
4
Cornish
2.6
Moroccan
2.6
IE
2.2
Orcadian
1.8
NL
1.4
South_&_Central_Swedish
1.2
English
1
Mozabite_Berber
1
PT
1
Scottish
1
DE
0.6
DK
0.6
NO
0.4
GE
0.2
Luhya
0.2
Maasai
0.2
Nganassan
0.2
Tuscan
0.2


Y del k13 éstos.


Population
Value
Southwest_French
45.4
Spanish_Galicia
20.8
Spanish_Cantabria
16.8
French_Basque
9
Sardinian
2
Spanish_Extremadura
2
Stuttgart
0.8
East_German
0.6
Moldavian
0.4
Algerian
0.2
Austrian
0.2
Chuvash
0.2
East_Finnish
0.2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.2
Moroccan
0.2
North_Kannadi
0.2
North_Swedish
0.2
Russian_Smolensk
0.2
South_Polish
0.2
Southwest_Finnish
0.2

Population
Value
Spanish_Cantabria
36.8
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
18.6
French_Basque
14.2
Southwest_French
9
Spanish_Andalucia
8.4
Spanish_Extremadura
3.8
Spanish_Galicia
1.6
West_Scottish
1
Irish
0.6
North_Dutch
0.6
Balkar
0.4
Biaka_Pygmy
0.4
French
0.4
Orcadian
0.4
Southwest_English
0.4
Adygei
0.2
Central_Greek
0.2
Danish
0.2
East_German
0.2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.2
Hadza
0.2
Hezhen
0.2
Icelandic
0.2
Mandenka
0.2
Norwegian
0.2
Pathan
0.2
Sardinian
0.2
South_Dutch
0.2
Tabassaran
0.2
Tatar
0.2
Turkmen
0.2
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.2



Los tuyos y los míos en negrita, voy a verlos publicados...

[Defcon2]

K47

Population
Percentage

Kushitic
0.00%
North Iberian
12.79%
East Iberian
14.43%
Tibeto Burman
0.00%
North African
5.64%
South Caucasian
0.00%
North Caucasian
0.01%
Paleo Balkan
3.73%
Turkic Altai
0.00%
Proto Austronesian
0.00%
Nilotic
0.00%
East Mediterranean
10.08%
Omotic
0.00%
Munda
0.00%
North Amerind
0.00%
Arabic
0.00%
East European
0.00%
Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.28%
Andean
0.05%
Indo Chinese
0.00%
South Indian
0.00%
North East Asian
0.00%
Volgan
0.52%
Mongolian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
North Sea Germanic
7.04%
Celtic
10.90%
West African
1.86%
West Finnic
0.00%
Uralic
0.00%
Sahelian
0.00%
North West Indian
0.00%
East African Hunter Gatherer
0.46%
East Asian
0.00%
Amuro Manchurian
0.00%
Scando Germanic
9.06%
Iranian
2.35%
South African Hunter Gatherer
0.03%
Amazonian
0.00%
Baltic
1.52%
Malay
0.00%
Meso Amerind
0.00%
South Chinese
0.00%
Papuan
0.00%
West Mediterranean
16.36%
Pamirian
0.00%
Central Mediterranean
2.88%

Eutest Oracle

Population
Value
ES
67.8
French_Basque
13.2
Sardinian
12.8
Moroccan
1.8
Tuscan
1.6
Mozabite_Berber
1
South_Italian_&_Sicilian
0.6
Algerian
0.4
South_Indian
0.4
Bangladeshi
0.2
Mandean
0.2

K13 Oracle

Population
Value
Spanish_Valencia
37
Spanish_Aragon
21.6
Spanish_Cantabria
11.2
French_Basque
8.2
Spanish_Murcia
6.2
Spanish_Galicia
3.4
Oetzi
3
Sardinian
2.6
Spanish_Extremadura
2.2
Stuttgart
2.2
Moroccan
0.6
Mozabite_Berber
0.4
Algerian
0.2
Dai
0.2
Kanjar
0.2
NAN_Melanesian
0.2
Portuguese
0.2
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2
Tunisian
0.2

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Oetzi_the_Iceman_portrait.jpg

[gixajo]

A ver si algún día alguno de nosotros hacemos unas hojas de excell con resultados de estos para compararlos más cómodamente.

Me da mucha pereza, sobre todo ir buscando por todo el foro resultados de españoles.

[Gallop]

DE
0.6
DK
0.6
NO
0.4
GE

Podrías completar estas letras y las tuyas no sé qué significan.

Así a simple vista me aparece en el Eu test Francia lo que me hace bajar ES con respecto a ti. Parece que yo tengo un recorrido más lejano que tú no tienes. ¿Observas más diferencias significativas?

[Gallop]

K47

Population
Percentage

Kushitic
0.00%
North Iberian
12.79%
East Iberian
14.43%
Tibeto Burman
0.00%
North African
5.64%
South Caucasian
0.00%
North Caucasian
0.01%
Paleo Balkan
3.73%
Turkic Altai
0.00%
Proto Austronesian
0.00%
Nilotic
0.00%
East Mediterranean
10.08%
Omotic
0.00%
Munda
0.00%
North Amerind
0.00%
Arabic
0.00%
East European
0.00%
Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.28%
Andean
0.05%
Indo Chinese
0.00%
South Indian
0.00%
North East Asian
0.00%
Volgan
0.52%
Mongolian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
North Sea Germanic
7.04%
Celtic
10.90%
West African
1.86%
West Finnic
0.00%
Uralic
0.00%
Sahelian
0.00%
North West Indian
0.00%
East African Hunter Gatherer
0.46%
East Asian
0.00%
Amuro Manchurian
0.00%
Scando Germanic
9.06%
Iranian
2.35%
South African Hunter Gatherer
0.03%
Amazonian
0.00%
Baltic
1.52%
Malay
0.00%
Meso Amerind
0.00%
South Chinese
0.00%
Papuan
0.00%
West Mediterranean
16.36%
Pamirian
0.00%
Central Mediterranean
2.88%

Eutest Oracle

Population
Value
ES
67.8
French_Basque
13.2
Sardinian
12.8
Moroccan
1.8
Tuscan
1.6
Mozabite_Berber
1
South_Italian_&_Sicilian
0.6
Algerian
0.4
South_Indian
0.4
Bangladeshi
0.2
Mandean
0.2

K13 Oracle

Population
Value
Spanish_Valencia
37
Spanish_Aragon
21.6
Spanish_Cantabria
11.2
French_Basque
8.2
Spanish_Murcia
6.2
Spanish_Galicia
3.4
Oetzi
3
Sardinian
2.6
Spanish_Extremadura
2.2
Stuttgart
2.2
Moroccan
0.6
Mozabite_Berber
0.4
Algerian
0.2
Dai
0.2
Kanjar
0.2
NAN_Melanesian
0.2
Portuguese
0.2
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2
Tunisian
0.2

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Oetzi_the_Iceman_portrait.jpg

En el Eu test tampoco sacas FR como Xijago y veo que a mi me sale...

[Gallop]

K47

Population
Percentage

Kushitic
0.00%
North Iberian
12.79%
East Iberian
14.43%
Tibeto Burman
0.00%
North African
5.64%
South Caucasian
0.00%
North Caucasian
0.01%
Paleo Balkan
3.73%
Turkic Altai
0.00%
Proto Austronesian
0.00%
Nilotic
0.00%
East Mediterranean
10.08%
Omotic
0.00%
Munda
0.00%
North Amerind
0.00%
Arabic
0.00%
East European
0.00%
Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.28%
Andean
0.05%
Indo Chinese
0.00%
South Indian
0.00%
North East Asian
0.00%
Volgan
0.52%
Mongolian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
North Sea Germanic
7.04%
Celtic
10.90%
West African
1.86%
West Finnic
0.00%
Uralic
0.00%
Sahelian
0.00%
North West Indian
0.00%
East African Hunter Gatherer
0.46%
East Asian
0.00%
Amuro Manchurian
0.00%
Scando Germanic
9.06%
Iranian
2.35%
South African Hunter Gatherer
0.03%
Amazonian
0.00%
Baltic
1.52%
Malay
0.00%
Meso Amerind
0.00%
South Chinese
0.00%
Papuan
0.00%
West Mediterranean
16.36%
Pamirian
0.00%
Central Mediterranean
2.88%

K47
Population
Percentage
Kushitic
0.75%
North Iberian
15.40%
East Iberian
4.84%
Tibeto Burman
0.00%
North African
4.70%
South Caucasian
5.31%
North Caucasian
0.07%
Paleo Balkan
4.47%
Turkic Altai
0.00%
Proto Austronesian
0.00%
Nilotic
0.00%
East Mediterranean
5.49%
Omotic
0.67%
Munda
0.00%
North Amerind
0.00%
Arabic
0.29%
East European
0.41%
Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%
Andean
0.00%
Indo Chinese
0.00%
South Indian
0.00%
North East Asian
0.00%
Volgan
0.47%
Mongolian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
North Sea Germanic
11.06%
Celtic
10.50%
West African
0.00%
West Finnic
6.02%
Uralic
0.08%
Sahelian
0.00%
North West Indian
0.00%
East African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%
East Asian
0.00%
Amuro Manchurian
0.00%
Scando Germanic
3.35%
Iranian
2.54%
South African Hunter Gatherer
0.14%
Amazonian
0.00%
Baltic
5.15%
Malay
0.00%
Meso Amerind
0.00%
South Chinese
0.00%
Papuan
0.00%
West Mediterranean
16.15%
Pamirian
0.15%
Central Mediterranean
2.00%




Eutest Oracle

Population
Value
ES
67.8
French_Basque
13.2
Sardinian
12.8
Moroccan
1.8
Tuscan
1.6
Mozabite_Berber
1
South_Italian_&_Sicilian
0.6
Algerian
0.4
South_Indian
0.4
Bangladeshi
0.2
Mandean
0.2

ES
39.4
French_Basque
20.8
FR
9.4
Sardinian
8
North_Italian
4
Cornish
2.6
Moroccan
2.6
IE
2.2
Orcadian
1.8
NL
1.4
South_&_Central_Swedish
1.2
English
1
Mozabite_Berber
1
PT
1
Scottish
1
DE
0.6
DK
0.6
NO
0.4
GE
0.2
Luhya
0.2
Maasai
0.2
Nganassan
0.2
Tuscan
0.2


K13 Oracle

Population
Value
Spanish_Valencia
37
Spanish_Aragon
21.6
Spanish_Cantabria
11.2
French_Basque
8.2
Spanish_Murcia
6.2
Spanish_Galicia
3.4
Oetzi
3
Sardinian
2.6
Spanish_Extremadura
2.2
Stuttgart
2.2
Moroccan
0.6
Mozabite_Berber
0.4
Algerian
0.2
Dai
0.2
Kanjar
0.2
NAN_Melanesian
0.2
Portuguese
0.2
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2
Tunisian
0.2

k13
Population
Value
Spanish_Cantabria
36.8
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
18.6
French_Basque
14.2
Southwest_French
9
Spanish_Andalucia
8.4
Spanish_Extremadura
3.8
Spanish_Galicia
1.6
West_Scottish
1
Irish
0.6
North_Dutch
0.6
Balkar
0.4
Biaka_Pygmy
0.4
French
0.4
Orcadian
0.4
Southwest_English
0.4
Adygei
0.2
Central_Greek
0.2
Danish
0.2
East_German
0.2
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.2
Hadza
0.2
Hezhen
0.2
Icelandic
0.2
Mandenka
0.2
Norwegian
0.2
Pathan
0.2
Sardinian
0.2
South_Dutch
0.2
Tabassaran
0.2
Tatar
0.2
Turkmen
0.2
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.2
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Oetzi_the_Iceman_portrait.jpg

A ver...

[gixajo]

DE
0.6
DK
0.6
NO
0.4
GE

Podrías completar estas letras y las tuyas no sé qué significan.

Así a simple vista me aparece en el Eu test Francia lo que me hace bajar ES con respecto a ti. Parece que yo tengo un recorrido más lejano que tú no tienes. ¿Observas más diferencias significativas?

No estoy seguro, pero si son paises GE sería Georgia, DK será Dinamarca, NO Noruega, DE sería una abreviatura de dos letras para Alemania.

[Gallop]

Voy a ver con los valores más bajos y que son diferentes a los vuestros como la premisa de un viaje del Este al Oeste hasta le península ibérica

Kushitic
0.75%
Lógico siendo E-V22
North Caucasian
0.07%
Tipo regional de las montañas del Cáucaso. Probablemente un dinaro-armenido alpinizado adaptado a la vida en regiones montañosas. Los mtebids son típicos de la población georgiana y comunes entre los chechenos, ingushes y osetios.
Omotic
0.67%
Lógicamente está relacionado con la fundación de E-V22
Tipo aislado del suroeste de Etiopía y el norte de Kenia, probablemente perteneciente a un grupo de antiguos etíopes. Probablemente un relicto de períodos preneolíticos. Más común en hablantes de los idiomas omóticos, por ejemplo, Ari / Aari, Banna, Hamer, Karo, Turmi y Erbore. El nombre deriva del valle de Omo del sur de Etiopía.
Arabic
0.29%
Orientalid propiamente dicho, el tipo más común de la Península Arábiga, a menudo encontrado con lenguas semíticas. Originalmente restringido a Arabia, las antiguas migraciones y la expansión islámica lo llevaron al norte de África, donde está muy mezclado (por ejemplo, los árabes bereberes). Los conquistadores y los comerciantes árabes lo extendieron por el Mediterráneo, partes del este de África, India e Indonesia, judíos a Europa. Dado que difiere de Mediterranid principalmente por problemas blandos, algunos lo incluyen en Mediterranid.
East European
0.41%
Desarrollado en el noreste de Rusia durante el Neolítico y se hizo más poblado desde entonces, especialmente durante la Edad Media. El subgrupo Báltico Oriental en la parte norte de su área de distribución a menudo se considera su representante más típico. Los Baltidos Orientales tienen una variedad Tavastid occidental y un Savolaxid oriental . Entre los eslavos, el subtipo neo danubiano es común. Aparte de eso, se han identificado varias variedades más antiguas, en particular la preeslavao tipo sudetico. Los colonos europeos trajeron Europids del este a otras regiones como Norteamérica y Siberia.
Volgan
0.47%
Tipo eurasiático, especialmente común al oeste del Ural en las cuencas de los ríos Sura y Moksha de Rusia. Encontrado en Mari, Chuvash, Volga-finlandeses. Más mezclado en la población de Udmurts, finlandeses y riazán (donde se encuentra la subvariedad Mordva más alta y de nariz más estrecha). La contraparte centroeuropea es del tipo preeslavo. En combinación con Lappid, se produce una variedad Sub Lappid más braquicéfalo.
Uralic
0.08%
Subtipo Sibirida occidental, especialmente común en la cuenca del río Ob entre los pueblos Khanty y Mansi. A veces en Altai y Khakassia. Debido al duro clima siberiano, este tipo nunca fue muy numeroso. Hoy, los grupos indígenas son superados en gran parte por los ruso
Estos tres últimos pueden estar interelacionados
Pamirian
0.15%
La variedad Pamirid más típica, también llamada Mountain Pamirid. A menudo considerado el Turanid más típico. Más común en los tayikos de las tierras altas, que no solo viven en Tayikistán, sino también en el norte de Afganistán y el este de Uzbekistán. Muestra características intermedias entre las llanuras Pamirid y East Pamirid. Originalmente estaba más extendido, y ha sido retrasado por la expansión Tungid. A veces en uzbekos, uigures y otras personas turcas.

Estos son los que obtengo a diferencia:

West Finnic
6.02%
Tipo antiguo del noreste de Europa, a veces ubicado en nórdico, a veces en el Báltido oriental. Asociado con personas finno-úrgicas, una vez extendido en Rusia. Hoy en día es un elemento minoritario en los finlandeses orientales, por ejemplo, Mordvins, Komi (especialmente alrededor de Vashka), Mari, Udmurts y Carelians, a veces en rusos, finlandeses occidentales, Balts e incluso Saami. Algunos grupos relictos existen en Siberia.
Baltic
5.15%

Me lleva a East Europid East European donde tengo un 0.41% quizá estas dos etiquetas sean preeslavo o alguna de las variedades de East Europid mal etiquetados.

Desarrollado en el noreste de Rusia durante el Neolítico Los Baltidos Orientales tienen una variedad Tavastid occidental y un Savolaxid oriental . Entre los eslavos, el subtipo neo danubiano es común. Aparte de eso, se han identificado varias variedades más antiguas, en particular la preeslava

[Rocinante]

No tio, es la que se llama World Nicola 25 Scaled, en mi signature estan mis resultados.

[Gallop]

No tio, es la que se llama World Nicola 25 Scaled, en mi signature estan mis resultados.

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02795867 SouthwestEuropean
0.05326481 CentralWestEuropean
0.06958885 SouthEuropean
0.07812947 NorthwestEuropean
0.07932981 CentralEastEuropean
0.08292518 SoutheastEuropean
0.09247941 NorthEuropean
0.12131763 EastEuropean
0.14136218 Baltic
0.14701919 Levantine
0.15466220 Caucasian
0.19483734 CentralAsian
0.19827365 NorthAfricanBerberEast
0.21894228 Arabic
0.25927716 NorthAfricanBerberWest
0.30998387 SouthCentralAsian
0.58369108 NortheastAsian
0.60318873 NorthAmerindian
0.60905674 EastAsianJapanese
0.61577797 EastAsianHan
0.62142453 SouthAmerindian
0.64564379 Oceanian
0.65240975 CentralAmerindian
0.70418893 EastAfricanNilotic
0.71670154 EastAfricanBantu
0.72513737 WestAfricanMandingo
0.73896764 SouthAfricanBantu
0.75180926 WestAfricanYoruba
0.84651444 SouthAfricanBushman


World25_Nicola Scaled
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.6433% / 0.02643346
89.8 SouthwestEuropean
9.6 NorthwestEuropean
0.6 EastAsianJapanese

World25_Nicola Scaled
Celtíbero Itálico
Distance: 2.2716% / 0.02271648 / Sources 29 Cycles: 464
52.4 SouthwestEuropean
29.2 SoutheastEuropean
9.6 NorthEuropean
6.4 NorthAfricanBerberWest
2.4 Baltic

Aquí me divido en dos mitades prácticamente como en los resultados de FTDNA aunque hay es Iberia y Centro Europa y con una nota discordante de Norte de África en Oriente próximo y aquí aunque con menos valor un resultado Oriental.

He de decir que un marcador oriental tengo en Yourdnaportal.

Quedo un poco como partido en dos mitades como si mi madre fuese de un sitio y mi padre de otro y un antepasado exótico.

Aumentando los ciclos consigo un valor que es coherente con mi linaje YDNA pero ya está.
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.6410% / 0.02641028
89.2 SouthwestEuropean
10.0 NorthwestEuropean
0.6 EastAsianJapanese
0.2 EastAfricanNilotic


¿Cómo lo ves?

[Rocinante]

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02795867 SouthwestEuropean
0.05326481 CentralWestEuropean
0.06958885 SouthEuropean
0.07812947 NorthwestEuropean
0.07932981 CentralEastEuropean
0.08292518 SoutheastEuropean
0.09247941 NorthEuropean
0.12131763 EastEuropean
0.14136218 Baltic
0.14701919 Levantine
0.15466220 Caucasian
0.19483734 CentralAsian
0.19827365 NorthAfricanBerberEast
0.21894228 Arabic
0.25927716 NorthAfricanBerberWest
0.30998387 SouthCentralAsian
0.58369108 NortheastAsian
0.60318873 NorthAmerindian
0.60905674 EastAsianJapanese
0.61577797 EastAsianHan
0.62142453 SouthAmerindian
0.64564379 Oceanian
0.65240975 CentralAmerindian
0.70418893 EastAfricanNilotic
0.71670154 EastAfricanBantu
0.72513737 WestAfricanMandingo
0.73896764 SouthAfricanBantu
0.75180926 WestAfricanYoruba
0.84651444 SouthAfricanBushman


World25_Nicola Scaled
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.6433% / 0.02643346
89.8 SouthwestEuropean
9.6 NorthwestEuropean
0.6 EastAsianJapanese

World25_Nicola Scaled
Celtíbero Itálico
Distance: 2.2716% / 0.02271648 / Sources 29 Cycles: 464
52.4 SouthwestEuropean
29.2 SoutheastEuropean
9.6 NorthEuropean
6.4 NorthAfricanBerberWest
2.4 Baltic

Aquí me divido en dos mitades prácticamente como en los resultados de FTDNA aunque hay es Iberia y Centro Europa y con una nota discordante de Norte de África en Oriente próximo y aquí aunque con menos valor un resultado Oriental.

He de decir que un marcador oriental tengo en Yourdnaportal.

Quedo un poco como partido en dos mitades como si mi madre fuese de un sitio y mi padre de otro y un antepasado exótico.

¿Cómo lo ves?

Lo veo bastante interesante la verdad. Yo te recomiendo una cosa, a lo de las distancias a poblaciones solas, no le hagas mucho caso, lo mejor que hay en este tipo de calculadoras son los ancestry breakdown, tu caso, muy interesante la verdad, aunque si es cierto que he visto resultados parecidos, no son comunes.

89.8 SouthwestEuropean - Normal, eres 100% español por generaciones (o eso creo), por lo tanto esta bomba iberica se veia venir. Tener en cuenta que aqui se incluye el componente vasco.

9.6 NorthwestEuropean - Curioso. Los andaluces, siendo estos geneticamente parecidos a los castellanos (si no iguales) sacan los mismos resultados, y estos, sacan un componente celtico insular pequeño (tener en cuenta que ya los españoles a excepcion de los vascos son celtas de por si), y este porcentaje pues en los modelamientos que vi de G25, te digo, es alto.

0.6 EastAsianJapanese - Podria ser ruido nada mas, aunque esta calculadora es famosa por atinar hasta los pequeños porcentajes, pero es muy pequeño esto, no creo que seas un experto haciendo sushi vamos.

Esta calculadora es famosa por atinar, como dije antes, y otra cosa que quiero añadir que es impresionante que los andaluces, casi todos, no marcan nada o casi nada de norafricano, tu eres el caso.

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.6410% / 0.02641028
89.2 SouthwestEuropean
10.0 NorthwestEuropean
0.6 EastAsianJapanese
0.2 EastAfricanNilotic

European Ancestry calculator
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.9319% / 0.01931934
93.4 Southwest_Euro
5.2 Eastern_Euro
1.4 British_Isles

Veo muy simple esta calculadora me recuerda a My Heritage.

[Gallop]

Lo veo bastante interesante la verdad. Yo te recomiendo una cosa, a lo de las distancias a poblaciones solas, no le hagas mucho caso, lo mejor que hay en este tipo de calculadoras son los ancestry breakdown, tu caso, muy interesante la verdad, aunque si es cierto que he visto resultados parecidos, no son comunes.

89.8 SouthwestEuropean - Normal, eres 100% español por generaciones (o eso creo), por lo tanto esta bomba iberica se veia venir. Tener en cuenta que aqui se incluye el componente vasco.

9.6 NorthwestEuropean - Curioso. Los andaluces, siendo estos geneticamente parecidos a los castellanos (si no iguales) sacan los mismos resultados, y estos, sacan un componente celtico insular pequeño (tener en cuenta que ya los españoles a excepcion de los vascos son celtas de por si), y este porcentaje pues en los modelamientos que vi de G25, te digo, es alto.

0.6 EastAsianJapanese - Podria ser ruido nada mas, aunque esta calculadora es famosa por atinar hasta los pequeños porcentajes, pero es muy pequeño esto, no creo que seas un experto haciendo sushi vamos.

Esta calculadora es famosa por atinar, como dije antes, y otra cosa que quiero añadir que es impresionante que los andaluces, casi todos, no marcan nada o casi nada de norafricano, tu eres el caso.

Pues la verdad que me parece una calculadora bastante mala y simple debe ser en la que se basa My Heritage.

[Rocinante]

Pues la verdad que me parece una calculadora bastante mala y simple debe ser en la que se basa My Heritage.

No es tan simple, lo que pasa es que meter tantas referencias a una calculadora, te termina enredando el breakdown y termina dando un resultado con poca precision. Ojo, no tienes que tampoco hacerme caso, solo que esa calculadora es famosa por atinar con pocas referencias.

[Gallop]

No es tan simple, lo que pasa es que meter tantas referencias a una calculadora, te termina enredando el breakdown y termina dando un resultado con poca precision. Ojo, no tienes que tampoco hacerme caso, solo que esa calculadora es famosa por atinar con pocas referencias.

A ver es una calculadora tipo LivingDna horrorosa no hay nada más que ver los resultados, alguien le puede venir bien vete tú a saber por qué razones pero es muy escueta no te ayuda a comprender las migraciones y movimientos que sabemos se han dado en Europa y resto del mundo, pero ya te digo que le puede venir bien a alguien porque le oculte datos que no le gusten y otros se los dé equivocados en algo que le gusta más, pero sinceramente deberían sacarla de ahí, la gente quiere conocer más acerca de su descendencia a través de las migraciones, ya sabemos de qué países somos mayoritariamente pero para ser de un lugar la gente antes se ha estado moviendo y en esa calculadora no se mueve nadie y el único que se mueve es un japonés en mi caso, por favor, por Dios.

[Defcon2]

A ver es una calculadora tipo LivingDna horrorosa no hay nada más que ver los resultados, alguien le puede venir bien vete tú a saber por qué razones pero es muy escueta no te ayuda a comprender las migraciones y movimientos que sabemos se han dado en Europa y resto del mundo, pero ya te digo que le puede venir bien a alguien porque le oculte datos que no le gusten y otros se los dé equivocados en algo que le gusta más, pero sinceramente deberían sacarla de ahí, la gente quiere conocer más acerca de su descendencia a través de las migraciones, ya sabemos de qué países somos mayoritariamente pero para ser de un lugar la gente antes se ha estado moviendo y en esa calculadora no se mueve nadie y el único que se mueve es un japonés en mi caso, por favor, por Dios.

Lo tuyo serían las calculadoras con muestras antiguas, échales un vistazo.

[Gallop]

No es tan simple, lo que pasa es que meter tantas referencias a una calculadora, te termina enredando el breakdown y termina dando un resultado con poca precision. Ojo, no tienes que tampoco hacerme caso, solo que esa calculadora es famosa por atinar con pocas referencias.

Celtíbero Itálico puedes publicarme aquí tus resultados de Yourdnaportal EUtest V2 K15 con captura de pantalla?

Estos son los míos:

Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts
EUtest V2 K15


Population
Value
Spanish_Cantabria
69.6
French_Basque
8.6
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
7.2
Gokhem2
5
French
1.6
Irish
1.2
Southwest_English
1
Southeast_English
0.8
North_Dutch
0.6
Orcadian
0.6
Spanish_Galicia
0.6
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.4
West_Scottish
0.4
Altaian
0.2
Bantu_SE
0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak
0.2
Ethiopian_Gumuz
0.2
Evenki
0.2
Evens
0.2
Gujarati
0.2
North_German
0.2
Pathan
0.2
South_Dutch
0.2
West_German
0.2
West_Norwegian
0.2

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[Rocinante]

Celtíbero Itálico puedes publicarme aquí tus resultados de Yourdnaportal EUtest V2 K15 con captura de pantalla?

Estos son los míos:

Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts
EUtest V2 K15


Population
Value
Spanish_Cantabria
69.6
French_Basque
8.6
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
7.2
Gokhem2
5
French
1.6
Irish
1.2
Southwest_English
1
Southeast_English
0.8
North_Dutch
0.6
Orcadian
0.6
Spanish_Galicia
0.6
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.4
West_Scottish
0.4
Altaian
0.2
Bantu_SE
0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak
0.2
Ethiopian_Gumuz
0.2
Evenki
0.2
Evens
0.2
Gujarati
0.2
North_German
0.2
Pathan
0.2
South_Dutch
0.2
West_German
0.2
West_Norwegian
0.2

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North Sea 22.21%
Atlantic 18.07%
Baltic 6.13%
Eastern European 5.16%
West Mediterranean 19.73%
West Asian 6.13%
East Mediterranean 14.90%
Red Sea 3.94%
South Asian 0.39%
Southeast-Asian 0.00%
Siberian 0.29%
Amerindian 0.00%
Oceanian 0.00%
Northeast African 1.87%
Sub-Saharan 1.18%

North_Italian 0.835012
Spanish_Galicia 1.017418
Portuguese 1.067903
Tuscan 1.123595
Spanish_Extremadura 1.221249
Spanish_Murcia 1.335653
Spanish_Cataluna 1.338403
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 1.392658

Spanish_Galicia 23.4
North_Italian 16.6
Portuguese 6.4
French 5.6
Greek_Thessaly 5.2
Tuscan 5.2
West_German 2
Italian_Jew 1.6
Oetzi 1.4
Orcadian 1.4
West_Norwegian 1.4
Gokhem2 1.2
Libyan_Jew 1.2
Moroccan 1.2
Norwegian 1.2
Sardinian 1.2
South_Dutch 1.2
NE1 1
North_Dutch 1
Palestinian 1
Southeast_English 1
Central_Greek 0.8
Danish 0.8
East_Sicilian 0.8
Italian_Abruzzo 0.8
North_Swedish 0.8
Samara_HG 0.8
Samaritan 0.8
Swedish 0.8
West_Sicilian 0.8
Algerian 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.6
Serbian 0.6
South_Italian 0.6
Southwest_English 0.6
West_Scottish 0.6
Algerian_Jew 0.4
Egyptian 0.4
Ethiopian_Wolayta 0.4
Icelandic 0.4
Irish 0.4
Lebanese_Christian 0.4
Romanian 0.4
Saudi 0.4
Tunisian 0.4
Afghan_Uzbek 0.2
Armenian 0.2
Azeri 0.2
Bantu_SW 0.2
Biaka_Pygmy 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
East_German 0.2
Ethiopian_Tigray 0.2
Finnish 0.2
Hungarian 0.2
Iranian 0.2
Jordanian 0.2
Kurdish 0.2
Kurdish_Jew 0.2
Lebanese_Muslim 0.2
Motala12 0.2
Mozabite_Berber 0.2
Sephardic_Jew 0.2
Tabassaran 0.2
Ukrainian 0.2
Yamnaya_I0370 0.2

[Gallop]

Veo que ya la habían cambiado por la que he publicado más arriba.

Esta es actual.

Capturas de pantalla siempre que pueda, no tengo ganas de perder el tiempo.

Evidentemente ya sé que soy español de pura cepa por los cuatro costados pero si quiero ver las migraciones o investigar a tal o cual antepasado por tradición oral o simplemente por la historia de tu país, no me sirve de nada una calculadora que no me deja ver más allá; aunque ya digo que a alguien le puede ir bien por diferentes cuestiones.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LGfNdxjtY7M/XmAs3DR59LI/AAAAAAAADGI/PPRErJhbhMwz_ctFMp-aZWoicI6WyvLhACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/EuTestv2k152020Populations.jpeg

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[Rocinante]

Veo que ya la habían cambiado por la que he publicado más arriba.

Esta es actual.

Capturas de pantalla siempre que pueda, no tengo ganas de perder el tiempo.

Evidentemente ya sé que soy español de pura cepa por los cuatro costados pero si quiero ver las migraciones o investigar a tal o cual antepasado por tradición oral o simplemente por la historia de tu país, no me sirve de nada una calculadora que no me deja ver más allá; aunque ya digo que a alguien le puede ir bien por diferentes cuestiones.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LGfNdxjtY7M/XmAs3DR59LI/AAAAAAAADGI/PPRErJhbhMwz_ctFMp-aZWoicI6WyvLhACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/EuTestv2k152020Populations.jpeg

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Te haria captura de pantalla pero no se subir imagenes para que se vean directamente y no en un link.

Tampoco te tienes que molestar, si no quieres peder el tiempo digo...

[dududud]

Is this true Andalusian people was, in fact, descendant of Northern Spaniard (catalans, occitans?) or in part?

I don't know, this is why i ask.

[mitalit]

Is this true Andalusian people was, in fact, descendant of Northern Spaniard (catalans, occitans?) or in part?

I don't know, this is why i ask.

mostly from castilla and the northwest of spain

[Gallop]

Is this true Andalusian people was, in fact, descendant of Northern Spaniard (catalans, occitans?) or in part?

I don't know, this is why i ask.

Todos los antepasados de esos pueblos ya estaban emparentados entre sí desde la antigüedad.

En Andalucía se sabe lógicamente el tema de la Reconquista y repoblación pero la memoria en ese sentido se ha perdido al contrario que pueda suceder en Canadá o U.S.A. donde bastante gente parece recordar o puede llegar a saber de dónde provenían sus antepasados.

En Andalucía mucha gente actual llega a saber a través de un estudio genealógico cuáles eran sus antepasados con un origen en la repoblación pero es una minoría y la mayoría de archivos censales fueron incendiados en los preámbulos de la guerra Civil española, entonces se conoce pero prevalece la identidad y la idiosincrasia puramente andaluzas y a la vez la pertenencia a un mismo país que es España.

Y es curioso que sabiendo el tema de la fuerte repoblación hay un sentimiento de pertenecer a un antiguo pueblo, una herencia de Tartessos, los turdetanos, la Bética, la reconquista, la unión de los reinos en España.

En definitiva no tenemos problemas identitarios, nos sentimos plena y totalmente andaluces y españoles; aunque nos dijeran que nuestro tatarabuelo era cántabro o catalán por poner un ejemplo, imagino que un canadiense o norteamericano debe tener la misma sensación, no sé, pregunto.

Español y andaluz hasta la muerte.

[Gallop]

Los outliers pueden ser una buena pista en el tema que estoy interesado

Estos son mis outliers.

Para españoles: ¿Cuáles son vuestros outliers en MTA?


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[dududud]

Todos los antepasados de esos pueblos ya estaban emparentados entre sí desde la antigüedad.

En Andalucía se sabe lógicamente el tema de la Reconquista y repoblación pero la memoria en ese sentido se ha perdido al contrario que pueda suceder en Canadá o U.S.A. donde bastante gente parece recordar o puede llegar a saber de dónde provenían sus antepasados.

En Andalucía mucha gente actual llega a saber a través de un estudio genealógico cuáles eran sus antepasados con un origen en la repoblación pero es una minoría y la mayoría de archivos censales fueron incendiados en los preámbulos de la guerra Civil española, entonces se conoce pero prevalece la identidad y la idiosincrasia puramente andaluzas y a la vez la pertenencia a un mismo país que es España.

Y es curioso que sabiendo el tema de la fuerte repoblación hay un sentimiento de pertenecer a un antiguo pueblo, una herencia de Tartessos, los turdetanos, la Bética, la reconquista, la unión de los reinos en España.

En definitiva no tenemos problemas identitarios, nos sentimos plena y totalmente andaluces y españoles; aunque nos dijeran que nuestro tatarabuelo era cántabro o catalán por poner un ejemplo, imagino que un canadiense o norteamericano debe tener la misma sensación, no sé, pregunto.

Español y andaluz hasta la muerte.

It was a question from a historical point of view, whether that was true (or in part) or just a myth

[gixajo]

It was a question from a historical point of view, whether that was true (or in part) or just a myth

When I received my MH test results, I had several matches from my paternal side, who has their origins in Andalucia. I ask for the results of the brother of my paternal grandmother, for curiosity. I thought that being from Andalusia, he will score in many ethnicities, including quite Northafrican, and that his Iberian would be around 60-70% .

It´s not a proof of nothing, you know, is only a MH ethnicity estimation, but I was quite surprised:

https://i.imgur.com/59bgi1v.jpg

Je suis content de te revoir, j´espere que nos relations dorenavant soient plus agreables. il me semble noter certain change d´attitude dans tes points de vue.

J´espere n´avoir etre moi meme trop desagreable dans mes critiques a tes opnions. C´etait la reponse logique a quelques manques de respect de ton coté.

[Gaditanian]

Los outliers pueden ser una buena pista en el tema que estoy interesado

Estos son mis outliers.

Para españoles: ¿Cuáles son vuestros outliers en MTA?



Básicamente son mezcla de Celtas + Vascones + Íberos

155. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 21.44 -

Iberian + Vascones (11.12)
Celt + Iberian (11.58)
Iberian (12.86)
Iberian + Etruscan (13.35)
Iberian + Celtiberian (14.75)
Vascones (15.32)
Vascones + Etruscan (15.73)
Celt (19.21)
Celtiberian (19.57)

Top 99 % match vs all users


165. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1115 AD) ..... 21.74 -

Celt
Iberian
Celt + Iberian (3.803)
Iberian + Vascones (5.384)
Vascones + Celtiberian (8.199)
Iberian + Celtiberian (8.253)
Vascones (9.127)
Celt + Celtiberian (9.593)
Celtiberian (11.04)
Iberian (11.27)
Celt (12.96)
Visigoth (18.65)

Top 98 % match vs all users

169. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) ..... 21.96 -

Celt + Iberian (12.31)
Celt + Vascones (12.84)
Vascones (13.03)
Celt (13.63)
Iberian + Vascones (14.16)
Celt + Celtiberian (14.79)
Vascones + Celtiberian (15.12)
Iberian (17.05)
Celtiberian (18.92)

Top 98 % match vs all users

177. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (2012 BC) ..... 22.19 -

Vascones
Celt + Vascones (3.407)
Vascones (3.881)
Celt + Celtiberian (4.51)
Celt + Iberian (4.695)
Vascones + Celtiberian (5.183)
Celt (6.104)
Iberian + Vascones (7.384)
Celtiberian (10.46)
Iberian (11.52)
Latin (14.89)

Top 93 % match vs all users

187. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 22.55 -

Vascones
Celt + Vascones (5.989)
Vascones (6.974)
Celt (6.977)
Celt + Iberian (7.36)
Celt + Celtiberian (9.395)
Iberian + Vascones (9.886)
Vascones + Celtiberian (10.28)
Iberian (13.62)
Celtiberian (15.29)
Visigoth (18.17)

[Gallop]

It was a question from a historical point of view, whether that was true (or in part) or just a myth

It is not a myth, we know it perfectly, see if the surnames that are in my family tree are: Velázquez, García, Garrido, Barroso, Naranjo, Toro, Cortés, Fernández, Jiménez, Gómez, Figueira, Ardila, e.t.c. but we are Andalusian, I also believe that an American or a Canadian would have to understand perfectly what I am talking about.

[Gallop]

When I received my MH test results, I had several matches from my paternal side, who has their origins in Andalucia. I ask for the results of the brother of my paternal grandmother, for curiosity. I thought that being from Andalusia, he will score in many ethnicities, including quite Northafrican, and that his Iberian would be around 60-70% .

It´s not a proof of nothing, you know, is only a MH ethnicity estimation, but I was quite surprised:

https://i.imgur.com/59bgi1v.jpg

Je suis content de te revoir, j´espere que nos relations dorenavant soient plus agreables. il me semble noter certain change d´attitude dans tes points de vue.

J´espere n´avoir etre moi meme trop desagreable dans mes critiques a tes opnions. C´etait la reponse logique a quelques manques de respect de ton coté.

Sometimes the question assails me and I think about how some snp segments will have been labeled or what they are called. I am surprised that in North Africa Morocco for example does not get Iberian or the rest of Europe, even from the north. I have my 4% of North Africa who have moved me and where the different companies have wanted (Near East) in FTDNA, Livingdna in Arabia, My heritage that figure in the British Isles, where FTDNA doesn't work for me; although 24 dna does give me 3.80 in north África the funny thing is that it is a dance of the same percentage. There is something that does not fit me, I think it had been given to Iberia I do not know if Gailcia scored the highest about 10% approx. I say to see if a part of Iberian result and other Europeans is denying North Africa, is a thought.

[Gallop]

Básicamente son mezcla de Celtas + Vascones + Íberos

155. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 21.44 -

Iberian + Vascones (11.12)
Celt + Iberian (11.58)
Iberian (12.86)
Iberian + Etruscan (13.35)
Iberian + Celtiberian (14.75)
Vascones (15.32)
Vascones + Etruscan (15.73)
Celt (19.21)
Celtiberian (19.57)

Top 99 % match vs all users


165. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1115 AD) ..... 21.74 -

Celt
Iberian
Celt + Iberian (3.803)
Iberian + Vascones (5.384)
Vascones + Celtiberian (8.199)
Iberian + Celtiberian (8.253)
Vascones (9.127)
Celt + Celtiberian (9.593)
Celtiberian (11.04)
Iberian (11.27)
Celt (12.96)
Visigoth (18.65)

Top 98 % match vs all users

169. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) ..... 21.96 -

Celt + Iberian (12.31)
Celt + Vascones (12.84)
Vascones (13.03)
Celt (13.63)
Iberian + Vascones (14.16)
Celt + Celtiberian (14.79)
Vascones + Celtiberian (15.12)
Iberian (17.05)
Celtiberian (18.92)

Top 98 % match vs all users

177. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (2012 BC) ..... 22.19 -

Vascones
Celt + Vascones (3.407)
Vascones (3.881)
Celt + Celtiberian (4.51)
Celt + Iberian (4.695)
Vascones + Celtiberian (5.183)
Celt (6.104)
Iberian + Vascones (7.384)
Celtiberian (10.46)
Iberian (11.52)
Latin (14.89)

Top 93 % match vs all users

187. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 22.55 -

Vascones
Celt + Vascones (5.989)
Vascones (6.974)
Celt (6.977)
Celt + Iberian (7.36)
Celt + Celtiberian (9.395)
Iberian + Vascones (9.886)
Vascones + Celtiberian (10.28)
Iberian (13.62)
Celtiberian (15.29)
Visigoth (18.17)

También puede ser outlier porque la combinación y el orden de la mezcla de la muestra es menos frecuente con el resto de resultados porque a mí me dieron un porrón de hierro catalán, lo mismo que en Alpes que saqué hasta 18 resultados en MTA, vamos yo alucinaba y sólo tengo uno de ellos outlier.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0B3LZ5L5noE/XmIHygpVWNI/AAAAAAAADGo/2HJa6YI-tKsfNdr7EKeh4jwGHo2XgqY5QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/BEBE%2BYO%2B084.jpg
Yo de bebé con mi hermano mayor. No sé si será la influencia de los Alpes xd

Así de bien nos criamos los niños gaditanos.

[Gaditanian]

It is not a myth, we know it perfectly, see if the surnames that are in my family tree are: Velázquez, García, Garrido, Barroso, Naranjo, Toro, Cortés, Fernández, Jiménez, Gómez, Figueira, Ardila, e.t.c. but we are Andalusian, I also believe that an American or a Canadian would have to understand perfectly what I am talking about.

En mi registro familiar tengo García que me viene tanto de abuelo de Tarifa como de Abuela de Cortes de la Frontera, Jiménez también de este mismo abuelo, y Naranjo lo tengo registrado en una mujer de San Roque en Cádiz casada con un hijo de antepasado directo mío de apellido Cobos, ella a mi no me tocaría nada salvo ser su esposa. El padre de este hombre, tiene de apellido Bejarano, un apellido inusual por estas tierras que proviene de Salamanca.

Quizás por ese lado es por dónde saco mis raíces de Castilla y León que refleja tanto 23andme como Vahaduo.

[Rocinante]

Mysterious Gallop, use this calc: http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25%20calculator%20of%20ancient%20basic%20componen ts.htm

Do it with x0.0 and x0.25 distance.

[Gallop]

Mysterious Gallop, use this calc: http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25%20calculator%20of%20ancient%20basic%20componen ts.htm

Do it with x0.0 and x0.25 distance.

Qué misterioso ni qué niño muerto. Yo lo publico todo y hasta con capturas de pantalla y tengo en mi presentación los haplogrupos dnaY y dna mitocondrial.

Quiero ver más capturas de pantalla y los dos haplogrupos en la presentación.

Hay gente aquí que lo está dando todo y otra que tiene una posición muy cómoda, sin publicar o publicando vaya usted a saber qué y cómo.

De todas formas publicaré el resultados de esta calculadora la cual no sé hasta qué punto está proporcionada la fuente.


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.1790% / 0.03178961 | ADC: 0.25x
53.8 EEF
32.2 STEPPE
10.6 WHG
3.4 AFRICA-NORTHWEST

Y aquí sin escalar así ya hacemos el completo

Target: Gallop
Distance: 4.0268% / 0.04026806 | ADC: 0.25x
31.2 EEF
21.6 STEPPE
15.4 ASIA-EAST
9.6 DRAVIDIAN
7.4 AFRICA-NORTHWEST
7.2 AFRICA-SOUTHEAST
4.0 WHG
2.6 CHG
1.0 IRAN

[Rocinante]

Qué misterioso ni qué niño muerto. Yo lo publico todo y hasta con capturas de pantalla y tengo en mi presentación los haplogrupos dnaY y dna mitocondrial.

Quiero ver más capturas de pantalla y los dos haplogrupos en la presentación.

Hay gente aquí que lo está dando todo y otra que tiene una posición muy cómoda, sin publicar o publicando vaya usted a saber qué y cómo.

De todas formas publicaré el resultados de esta calculadora la cual no sé hasta qué punto está proporcionada la fuente.


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.1790% / 0.03178961 | ADC: 0.25x
53.8 EEF
32.2 STEPPE
10.6 WHG
3.4 AFRICA-NORTHWEST

Y aquí sin escalar así ya hacemos el completo

Target: Gallop
Distance: 4.0268% / 0.04026806 | ADC: 0.25x
31.2 EEF
21.6 STEPPE
15.4 ASIA-EAST
9.6 DRAVIDIAN
7.4 AFRICA-NORTHWEST
7.2 AFRICA-SOUTHEAST
4.0 WHG
2.6 CHG
1.0 IRAN

:lmao Estoy de coña hombre! No te dire mas nunca "Misterioso".

Digamos que tienes resultados algo muy del average español, aunque la Estepa+WHG estan sumando bastante, por lo tanto tiene sentido que tu pariente frances o del otro lado de Europa, se vea refleado. Esta calculadora es buena para saber en realidad de que uno esta hecho desde tiempos bastante antiguos.

[FilhoV]

Interesting my closest regions on the PCA of G25 is Extremadura, Andalusia and Canarias.

Target: FilhoV_scaled
Distance: 2.7040% / 0.02704007
56.2 EEF
30.2 STEPPE
7.2 WHG
5.0 AFRICA-NORTHWEST
1.2 AFRICA-SOUTHEAST
0.2 CHG

[Rocinante]

Interesting my closest regions on the PCA of G25 is Extremadura, Andalusia and Canarias.

Target: FilhoV_scaled
Distance: 2.7040% / 0.02704007
56.2 EEF
30.2 STEPPE
7.2 WHG
5.0 AFRICA-NORTHWEST
1.2 AFRICA-SOUTHEAST
0.2 CHG

That calc works better with x0.25

[FilhoV]

That calc works better with x0.25

Target: FilhoV_scaled
Distance: 2.9108% / 0.02910834 | ADC: 0.25x
58.0 EEF
31.6 STEPPE
5.6 WHG
4.6 AFRICA-NORTHWEST
0.2 AFRICA-SOUTHEAST

[Rocinante]

Target: FilhoV_scaled
Distance: 2.9108% / 0.02910834 | ADC: 0.25x
58.0 EEF
31.6 STEPPE
5.6 WHG
4.6 AFRICA-NORTHWEST
0.2 AFRICA-SOUTHEAST

Good, you have a lot of Farmer, and Steppe is on the average.

[FilhoV]

Good, you have a lot of Farmer, and Steppe is on the average.

My farmer component is very high not just here but on FTDNA I am


62% Farmer
28 Steppe
7% Iron Age invader
3% Non-European

[Rocinante]

My farmer component is very high not just here but on FTDNA I am


62% Farmer
28 Steppe
7% Iron Age invader
3% Non-European

I won't take seriosly FTDNA results but yeah, you score a lot of EEF. You also have a very Paleo-Sardinian phenotype, which makes sense with the high EEF.

[FilhoV]

On G25 my closest population on the modern spreadsheet is this

Distance to: FilhoV
0.01116512 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.01626407 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01619
0.01658554 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.01697999 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.01840761 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.01849676 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.01923252 Spanish_Canarias:HG01694
0.01932615 Portuguese:Portugal13
0.01999750 Spanish_Canarias:HG01695
0.02069565 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.02109573 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.02170944 Portuguese:Portugal3
0.02200545 Portuguese:Portugal2
0.02409149 Portuguese:Portugal1
0.02424644 Portuguese:Portugal9
0.02449020 Portuguese:Portugal11
0.02617633 Portuguese:Portugal7
0.02775302 Portuguese:Portugal14
0.02779820 Portuguese:Portugal5
0.02840775 Portuguese:Portugal4

Target: FilhoV
Distance: 0.7258% / 0.00725774|ADC: 1x
50.8 Spanish_Andalucia
49.2 Portuguese

This one unscaled

[Defcon2]

I won't take seriosly FTDNA results but yeah, you score a lot of EEF. You also have a very Paleo-Sardinian phenotype, which makes sense with the high EEF.

Dududdo que sea tan feo, además me parece mulato.

http://www.humanphenotypes.net/paleosardinianm.jpg

[Rocinante]

Dududdo que sea tan feo, además me parece mulato.

http://www.humanphenotypes.net/paleosardinianm.jpg

No pero eso no es mulato, es literal un tio con casi 90% de EEF, que son los sardos. Si supieras que se parece un poquitin.

[Defcon2]

No pero eso no es mulato, es literal un tio con casi 90% de EEF, que son los sardos. Si supieras que se parece un poquitin.

Esa nariz es de subsahariano tío.

[Rocinante]

Esa nariz es de subsahariano tío.

No tio, a ver, nariz algo ancha no significa sub-sahariano necesariamente. Los Cro-magnids tienen nariz algo ancha, y esto se ve en muchos europeos sobre todo de los que tienen alta influencia de este fenotipo. Yo soy el ejemplo y no tengo problema en desmotrartelo, asi de hecho puedes saber con quien estas hablando.

[FilhoV]

Using 4,368 sources on G25 “Unscaled” I got this

https://imgur.com/a/jbsetpL

[Defcon2]

No tio, a ver, nariz algo ancha no significa sub-sahariano necesariamente. Los Cro-magnids tienen nariz algo ancha, y esto se ve en muchos europeos sobre todo de los que tienen alta influencia de este fenotipo. Yo soy el ejemplo y no tengo problema en desmotrartelo, asi de hecho puedes saber con quien estas hablando.

Photo.

Dudududud estaba en contra de la existencia de este fenotipo, no? joer está claro el porqué. A los medidores de cráneos les fastidia que se les pueda atribuir algo feo a ellos pero no cuando se trata de los demás.

[Rocinante]

Photo.

Dudududud estaba en contra de la existencia de este fenotipo, no? joer está claro el porqué. A los medidores de cráneos les fastidia que se les pueda atribuir algo feo a ellos pero no cuando se trata de los demás.

Ese dadedidodu es un tontaco, mas nada. Como es feo de cojones y ademas se parece bastante al de la foto de humanphenotypes, se pica y quieres nortizar su apariencia, eso es imposible.

Photo? como asi?

[Gallop]

Using 4,368 sources on G25 “Unscaled” I got this

https://imgur.com/a/jbsetpL

Por hacer otra he hecho esta

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.5598% / 0.01559762 | ADC: 0.25x
59.8 Atlantic
18.8 North_Sea
11.8 North_Africa
6.0 East_Mediterranean
3.6 West_Mediterranean

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.04828807 Atlantic:BAS31
0.04870833 Atlantic:BAS35
0.04879274 Atlantic:BAS27
0.04927761 Atlantic:BAS28
0.05028857 Atlantic:BAS33
0.05169430 Atlantic:BAS32
0.05218153 Atlantic:BAS25
0.05343612 Atlantic:BAS30
0.05451656 Atlantic:BAS22
0.06473188 North_Sea:Netherlands25
0.06681523 North_Sea:Netherlands30
0.06751909 North_Sea:Netherlands27
0.07100822 North_Sea:Netherlands26
0.07320930 North_Sea:Netherlands32
0.07419893 North_Sea:Netherlands31
0.07429244 North_Sea:Netherlands29
0.07447860 North_Sea:Netherlands43
0.07648571 North_Sea:Netherlands35
0.07689319 North_Sea:Netherlands18
0.07733577 North_Sea:Netherlands34
0.07813794 North_Sea:Netherlands33
0.07814139 North_Sea:Netherlands50
0.07844215 North_Sea:Netherlands10
0.07992273 North_Sea:Netherlands36
0.08180096 North_Sea:Netherlands53
0.08199263 North_Sea:Netherlands64
0.08208223 North_Sea:Netherlands62
0.08266287 North_Sea:Netherlands38
0.08289284 North_Sea:Netherlands52
0.08290646 North_Sea:Netherlands7
0.08302620 North_Sea:Netherlands4
0.08349949 North_Sea:Netherlands19
0.08370916 North_Sea:Netherlands3
0.08413269 North_Sea:Netherlands22
0.08420499 North_Sea:Netherlands8
0.08452393 North_Sea:Netherlands55
0.08487417 North_Sea:Netherlands23
0.08498052 North_Sea:Netherlands5
0.08544035 North_Sea:Netherlands58
0.08585923 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01078
0.08586750 North_Sea:Netherlands14
0.08588649 North_Sea:Netherlands16
0.08614179 North_Sea:Netherlands15
0.08628125 North_Sea:Netherlands57
0.08651738 North_Sea:Netherlands63
0.08676200 North_Sea:Netherlands44
0.08679712 North_Sea:Netherlands20
0.08735412 North_Sea:Netherlands40
0.08735896 North_Sea:Netherlands45
0.08833495 North_Sea:Netherlands61
0.08855725 North_Sea:Netherlands1
0.08887804 North_Sea:Netherlands42
0.08921736 North_Sea:Netherlands6
0.08934188 North_Sea:Netherlands47
0.08951922 West_Mediterranean:S_Sardinian-2
0.08965654 North_Sea:Netherlands9
0.08985478 North_Sea:Netherlands24
0.09024669 North_Sea:Netherlands56
0.09027016 North_Sea:Netherlands48
0.09045167 North_Sea:Netherlands21
0.09069188 North_Sea:Netherlands11
0.09145466 North_Sea:Netherlands2
0.09233825 North_Sea:Netherlands49
0.09235473 North_Sea:Netherlands12
0.09337682 North_Sea:Netherlands54
0.09339724 North_Sea:Netherlands51
0.09528774 North_Sea:Netherlands41
0.09601887 North_Sea:Netherlands60
0.09683333 North_Sea:Netherlands17
0.09698095 North_Sea:Netherlands28
0.09702645 West_Mediterranean:HGDP00665
0.09735638 North_Sea:Netherlands13
0.09831046 North_Sea:Netherlands46
0.09852830 North_Sea:Netherlands59
0.10051700 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01075
0.10142897 North_Sea:Netherlands39
0.10317196 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01073
0.10326453 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01066
0.12626040 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus22AJ19
0.12938939 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus24AJ19
0.13525624 East_Mediterranean:CYP19
0.13661662 East_Mediterranean:CYP2
0.13745943 East_Mediterranean:CYP5
0.13962080 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus21AJ19
0.14351119 Baltic:latvian54F2
0.15257006 Baltic:latvian58C6
0.15665871 Baltic:latvian22J5
0.15820681 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus2AJ19
0.15928168 Baltic:latvian54H7
0.16738818 Baltic:latvian54A2
0.19060234 North_Africa:Tunisian20F4
0.19112830 North_Africa:Tunisian20B4
0.19655144 North_Africa:Tunisian20C4
0.20214924 North_Africa:Tunisian200000
0.20806489 North_Africa:Tunisian20D4
0.21289015 North_Africa:Tunisian20C1
0.21321031 North_Africa:Tunisian20D1
0.21387128 North_Africa:Tunisian20A5
0.60800159 Siberia:Nganassan2
0.61260809 Siberia:Nganassan15


Como puede verse salimos de un nudo.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OHLE7abNeaY/XmUz623QdpI/AAAAAAAADI0/x8AI5y-5dhoHlKOHas0ZsbfMXu2z4_N0ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Marzo2020.jpg


Esta calculadora me ha sorprendido por la coincidencia de haber visto Netherlands y mi situación en Yfull.

Mi compañero cree que desciende de un soldado de los tercios españoles y yo sé por tradición oral que descendemos por dnaY de un, llamémosle francés, que bien pudiera ser de otra nacionalidad no se sabe.

Si mi compañero cree que desciende de mí cómo es que saco yo en esta calculadora Netherland?

Vamos, la gente se cree que porque eres de la provincia Cádiz-Málaga ya eres fenicio, vamos con lo que ha llovido iba a estar desde entonces en el mismo sitio sin moverme hasta la actualidad xd

A ver si va a ser al revés ainss

Lo que sí sé es que su región no estaría gobernada por los romanos pero lo estuvo por Borgoña o también cualquier otra combinación tampoco es tan extraño el haplogrupo en Europa viendo aguas abajo.

Andre's World Calculator calculator

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.3184% / 0.02318412 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2 Mediterranean
31.6 Celtic-Germanic
7.4 North_African
2.0 Caucasus
1.8 Sub_Saharan_nilotic

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.03903458 Mediterranean:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05636289 Celtic-Germanic:Belgian
0.05726834 Mediterranean:Italian_Tuscany
0.06601489 Celtic-Germanic:French_Brittany
0.07688595 Mediterranean:Italian_Abruzzo
0.07812947 Celtic-Germanic:Scottish
0.07828393 Celtic-Germanic:Dutch
0.08024596 Celtic-Germanic:Irish
0.08749666 Mediterranean:Greek_Ionia
0.08882137 Celtic-Germanic:Norwegian
0.09584165 Mediterranean:Sardinian
0.10899741 Balto-Slavic:Polish
0.12442018 Balto-Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
0.13379472 Balto-Slavic:Lithuanian_PA
0.14556681 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Druze
0.14931685 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Lebanese_Christian
0.15271688 Caucasus:Adygei
0.15771912 Caucasus:Chechen
0.15806775 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Armenian
0.15860851 West_Iranic:Ezid
0.16110891 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Palestinian
0.16161713 Caucasus:Avar
0.16269169 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Assyrian
0.16425893 Caucasus:Georgian_Laz
0.16525300 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Samaritan
0.16789586 West_Iranic:Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.17101607 West_Iranic:Iranian_Fars
0.17144105 Mediterranean:Spanish_Andalucia
0.17150036 Caucasus:Abkhasian
0.17219157 West_Iranic:Iranian_Lor
0.17968551 Mediterranean:Italian_Molise
0.18413062 Mediterranean:Greek_Kos
0.18622823 Balto-Slavic:Belarusian
0.19317954 Egyptian:Egyptian
0.19530765 North_African:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.20136586 Uralic:Udmurt
0.20226094 Indo-East_Iranic:Parsi_Pakistan
0.20872230 Arabic:Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.21339512 Indo-East_Iranic:Kashmiri_Pandit
0.21773917 Arabic:BedouinB
0.21894228 Arabic:Saudi
0.22179594 Indo-East_Iranic:Bengali_Bangladesh
0.22902224 Indo-East_Iranic:Hakkipikki
0.22939840 Sub_Saharan_west:Mandenka
0.23283885 Turkic:Turkmen
0.23382149 Indo-East_Iranic:Balochi
0.23671903 Sub_Saharan_bantu:Bantu_Kenya
0.23672621 Indo-East_Iranic:Pashtun
0.23965486 Sub_Saharan_nilotic:Dinka
0.24063114 Indo-East_Iranic:Kalash
0.25420733 North_African:Saharawi
0.25512413 Indo-East_Iranic:Punjabi_Jatt
0.27221069 Indo-East_Iranic:Kashmiri_Pandit
0.28033802 Turkic:Uzbek
0.32529854 Turkic:Uygur
0.36655477 Uralic:Mansi
0.41410563 North_African:Berber_Algeria
0.45350644 Mongolian:Khakass_Kachins
0.45392840 Mongolian:Altaian
0.46773348 Uralic:Nenets
0.49050305 Mongolian:Mongolian
0.51147610 Mongolian:Tuvinian
0.62307017 Uralic:Nganassan

[Defcon2]

Ese dadedidodu es un tontaco, mas nada. Como es feo de cojones y ademas se parece bastante al de la foto de humanphenotypes, se pica y quieres nortizar su apariencia, eso es imposible.

Photo? como asi?

También puedes hacer un gif como el de tu firma.

[FilhoV]

Photo.

Dudududud estaba en contra de la existencia de este fenotipo, no? joer está claro el porqué. A los medidores de cráneos les fastidia que se les pueda atribuir algo feo a ellos pero no cuando se trata de los demás.

Paleo-Sardinian is a broad-faced Gracile Mediterranean with Alpine values in terms of sizes. , I’ve been giving that classification many times

The drawing is horrible and looks quite off the nose is concave but still retains some protruding shape


https://imgur.com/a/DHx9Ed9

[FilhoV]

Por hacer otra he hecho esta

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.5598% / 0.01559762 | ADC: 0.25x
59.8 Atlantic
18.8 North_Sea
11.8 North_Africa
6.0 East_Mediterranean
3.6 West_Mediterranean

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.04828807 Atlantic:BAS31
0.04870833 Atlantic:BAS35
0.04879274 Atlantic:BAS27
0.04927761 Atlantic:BAS28
0.05028857 Atlantic:BAS33
0.05169430 Atlantic:BAS32
0.05218153 Atlantic:BAS25
0.05343612 Atlantic:BAS30
0.05451656 Atlantic:BAS22
0.06473188 North_Sea:Netherlands25
0.06681523 North_Sea:Netherlands30
0.06751909 North_Sea:Netherlands27
0.07100822 North_Sea:Netherlands26
0.07320930 North_Sea:Netherlands32
0.07419893 North_Sea:Netherlands31
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0.07689319 North_Sea:Netherlands18
0.07733577 North_Sea:Netherlands34
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0.07814139 North_Sea:Netherlands50
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0.07992273 North_Sea:Netherlands36
0.08180096 North_Sea:Netherlands53
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0.08266287 North_Sea:Netherlands38
0.08289284 North_Sea:Netherlands52
0.08290646 North_Sea:Netherlands7
0.08302620 North_Sea:Netherlands4
0.08349949 North_Sea:Netherlands19
0.08370916 North_Sea:Netherlands3
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0.08420499 North_Sea:Netherlands8
0.08452393 North_Sea:Netherlands55
0.08487417 North_Sea:Netherlands23
0.08498052 North_Sea:Netherlands5
0.08544035 North_Sea:Netherlands58
0.08585923 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01078
0.08586750 North_Sea:Netherlands14
0.08588649 North_Sea:Netherlands16
0.08614179 North_Sea:Netherlands15
0.08628125 North_Sea:Netherlands57
0.08651738 North_Sea:Netherlands63
0.08676200 North_Sea:Netherlands44
0.08679712 North_Sea:Netherlands20
0.08735412 North_Sea:Netherlands40
0.08735896 North_Sea:Netherlands45
0.08833495 North_Sea:Netherlands61
0.08855725 North_Sea:Netherlands1
0.08887804 North_Sea:Netherlands42
0.08921736 North_Sea:Netherlands6
0.08934188 North_Sea:Netherlands47
0.08951922 West_Mediterranean:S_Sardinian-2
0.08965654 North_Sea:Netherlands9
0.08985478 North_Sea:Netherlands24
0.09024669 North_Sea:Netherlands56
0.09027016 North_Sea:Netherlands48
0.09045167 North_Sea:Netherlands21
0.09069188 North_Sea:Netherlands11
0.09145466 North_Sea:Netherlands2
0.09233825 North_Sea:Netherlands49
0.09235473 North_Sea:Netherlands12
0.09337682 North_Sea:Netherlands54
0.09339724 North_Sea:Netherlands51
0.09528774 North_Sea:Netherlands41
0.09601887 North_Sea:Netherlands60
0.09683333 North_Sea:Netherlands17
0.09698095 North_Sea:Netherlands28
0.09702645 West_Mediterranean:HGDP00665
0.09735638 North_Sea:Netherlands13
0.09831046 North_Sea:Netherlands46
0.09852830 North_Sea:Netherlands59
0.10051700 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01075
0.10142897 North_Sea:Netherlands39
0.10317196 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01073
0.10326453 West_Mediterranean:HGDP01066
0.12626040 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus22AJ19
0.12938939 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus24AJ19
0.13525624 East_Mediterranean:CYP19
0.13661662 East_Mediterranean:CYP2
0.13745943 East_Mediterranean:CYP5
0.13962080 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus21AJ19
0.14351119 Baltic:latvian54F2
0.15257006 Baltic:latvian58C6
0.15665871 Baltic:latvian22J5
0.15820681 East_Mediterranean:Cyprus2AJ19
0.15928168 Baltic:latvian54H7
0.16738818 Baltic:latvian54A2
0.19060234 North_Africa:Tunisian20F4
0.19112830 North_Africa:Tunisian20B4
0.19655144 North_Africa:Tunisian20C4
0.20214924 North_Africa:Tunisian200000
0.20806489 North_Africa:Tunisian20D4
0.21289015 North_Africa:Tunisian20C1
0.21321031 North_Africa:Tunisian20D1
0.21387128 North_Africa:Tunisian20A5
0.60800159 Siberia:Nganassan2
0.61260809 Siberia:Nganassan15


Como puede verse salimos de un nudo.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OHLE7abNeaY/XmUz623QdpI/AAAAAAAADI0/x8AI5y-5dhoHlKOHas0ZsbfMXu2z4_N0ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Marzo2020.jpg


Esta calculadora me ha sorprendido por la coincidencia de haber visto Netherlands y mi situación en Yfull.

Mi compañero cree que desciende de un soldado de los tercios españoles y yo sé por tradición oral que descendemos por dnaY de un, llamémosle francés, que bien pudiera ser de otra nacionalidad no se sabe.

Si mi compañero cree que desciende de mí cómo es que saco yo en esta calculadora Netherland?

Vamos, la gente se cree que porque eres de la provincia Cádiz-Málaga ya eres fenicio, vamos con lo que ha llovido iba a estar desde entonces en el mismo sitio sin moverme hasta la actualidad xd

A ver si va a ser al revés ainss

Lo que sí sé es que su región no estaría gobernada por los romanos pero lo estuvo por Borgoña o también cualquier otra combinación tampoco es tan extraño el haplogrupo en Europa viendo aguas abajo.

Andre's World Calculator calculator

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.3184% / 0.02318412 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2 Mediterranean
31.6 Celtic-Germanic
7.4 North_African
2.0 Caucasus
1.8 Sub_Saharan_nilotic

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.03903458 Mediterranean:Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05636289 Celtic-Germanic:Belgian
0.05726834 Mediterranean:Italian_Tuscany
0.06601489 Celtic-Germanic:French_Brittany
0.07688595 Mediterranean:Italian_Abruzzo
0.07812947 Celtic-Germanic:Scottish
0.07828393 Celtic-Germanic:Dutch
0.08024596 Celtic-Germanic:Irish
0.08749666 Mediterranean:Greek_Ionia
0.08882137 Celtic-Germanic:Norwegian
0.09584165 Mediterranean:Sardinian
0.10899741 Balto-Slavic:Polish
0.12442018 Balto-Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
0.13379472 Balto-Slavic:Lithuanian_PA
0.14556681 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Druze
0.14931685 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Lebanese_Christian
0.15271688 Caucasus:Adygei
0.15771912 Caucasus:Chechen
0.15806775 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Armenian
0.15860851 West_Iranic:Ezid
0.16110891 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Palestinian
0.16161713 Caucasus:Avar
0.16269169 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Assyrian
0.16425893 Caucasus:Georgian_Laz
0.16525300 Levantine-Mesopotamian:Samaritan
0.16789586 West_Iranic:Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.17101607 West_Iranic:Iranian_Fars
0.17144105 Mediterranean:Spanish_Andalucia
0.17150036 Caucasus:Abkhasian
0.17219157 West_Iranic:Iranian_Lor
0.17968551 Mediterranean:Italian_Molise
0.18413062 Mediterranean:Greek_Kos
0.18622823 Balto-Slavic:Belarusian
0.19317954 Egyptian:Egyptian
0.19530765 North_African:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.20136586 Uralic:Udmurt
0.20226094 Indo-East_Iranic:Parsi_Pakistan
0.20872230 Arabic:Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.21339512 Indo-East_Iranic:Kashmiri_Pandit
0.21773917 Arabic:BedouinB
0.21894228 Arabic:Saudi
0.22179594 Indo-East_Iranic:Bengali_Bangladesh
0.22902224 Indo-East_Iranic:Hakkipikki
0.22939840 Sub_Saharan_west:Mandenka
0.23283885 Turkic:Turkmen
0.23382149 Indo-East_Iranic:Balochi
0.23671903 Sub_Saharan_bantu:Bantu_Kenya
0.23672621 Indo-East_Iranic:Pashtun
0.23965486 Sub_Saharan_nilotic:Dinka
0.24063114 Indo-East_Iranic:Kalash
0.25420733 North_African:Saharawi
0.25512413 Indo-East_Iranic:Punjabi_Jatt
0.27221069 Indo-East_Iranic:Kashmiri_Pandit
0.28033802 Turkic:Uzbek
0.32529854 Turkic:Uygur
0.36655477 Uralic:Mansi
0.41410563 North_African:Berber_Algeria
0.45350644 Mongolian:Khakass_Kachins
0.45392840 Mongolian:Altaian
0.46773348 Uralic:Nenets
0.49050305 Mongolian:Mongolian
0.51147610 Mongolian:Tuvinian
0.62307017 Uralic:Nganassan

yo voy publicaré mis resultados más tarde

[Rocinante]

También puedes hacer un gif como el de tu firma.

Puro PM para clasificaciones y cosas parecidas, aca hay gente que me quiere ver la cabeza en una estaca hermano :lmao

[Defcon2]

Puro PM para clasificaciones y cosas parecidas, aca hay gente que me quiere ver la cabeza en una estaca hermano :lmao

No quiero romper el anonimato ni su magia, pero tengo curiosidad como luce un pseudo-sudaca con ascendencia siciliana. Mejor otro día.

[Rocinante]

No quiero romper el anonimato ni su magia, pero tengo curiosidad como luce un pseudo-sudaca con ascendencia siciliana. Mejor otro día.

Coño me mareaste, al final no entendi si si o si no. Sin presion, mi belleza sudaca tampoco es para que te vaya a dar un flechazo en el corazon.

[Defcon2]

Coño me mareaste, al final no entendi si si o si no. Sin presion, mi belleza sudaca tampoco es para que te vaya a dar un flechazo en el corazon.

Estoy nervioso e indeciso, ¿y si eres feo como un sardinas paleolítico? ya no sería capaz de mirarte igual, ¿y en caso de ser guapo? me darás envidia con lo que tampoco te miraría igual. Dejemoslo para otro día, el anonimato es valioso.

[Rocinante]

Estoy nervioso e indeciso, ¿y si eres feo como un sardinas paleolítico? ya no sería capaz de mirarte igual, ¿y en caso de ser guapo? me darás envidia con lo que tampoco te miraría igual. Dejemoslo para otro día, el anonimato es valioso.

Es la verdad, el anonimato al final es bastante importante, supongo que esa parte tan reflexiva y sabía se ha trasladado de generación en generación por tu trastatarabuelo hindú. Seguro que hasta le echas curry a la tortilla de patatas.

[mitalit]

Estoy nervioso e indeciso, ¿y si eres feo como un sardinas paleolítico? ya no sería capaz de mirarte igual, ¿y en caso de ser guapo? me darás envidia con lo que tampoco te miraría igual. Dejemoslo para otro día, el anonimato es valioso.

Yo le he visto y...

[Rocinante]

Yo le he visto y...

Como se dice "cuidado con lo que dices" en euskera?

[Defcon2]

Es la verdad, el anonimato al final es bastante importante, supongo que esa parte tan reflexiva y sabía se ha trasladado de generación en generación por tu trastatarabuelo hindú. Seguro que hasta le echas curry a la tortilla de patatas.

Una vez le intenté echar pimienta negra a los filetes de vaca, me pasé pero de forma sorprendente lo supe aguantar y quizá esa tolerancia al picante sea debido a mis genes gitanos/hindúes e incluso mejicanos.

+3 en resistencia al picante.


Yo le he visto y...

No digas más.

[Rocinante]

Una vez le intenté echar pimienta negra a los filetes de vaca, me pasé pero de forma sorprendente lo supe aguantar y quizá esa tolerancia al picante sea debido a mis genes gitanos/hindúes e incluso mejicanos.

+3 en resistencia al picante.



No digas más.

Jajajaja, pues conmigo andate con cuidado, mira en mi firma el componente NA/ME, pues soy bueno haciendo bombas, ya ISIS me ha contactado varias veces para reclutamiento.

[mitalit]

Como se dice "cuidado con lo que dices" en euskera?

Kontuz esaten duzunarekin, pero sobre ti solo diré que...

[Rocinante]

Kontuz esaten duzunarekin, pero sobre ti solo diré que...

Pues Kontuz esaten duzunarekin ahivahostia.

[mitalit]

Solo diré que que pelazo

[Rocinante]

Solo diré que que pelazo

Veeeenga ese es mi hombre Basko-Nordico.

[gixajo]

Solo diré que que pelazo

Envidio su pelazo. Yo soy uno de los que quiere ver su cabeza clavada en una estaca, para poderle cortar el cuero cabelludo junto con el pelazo, y hacerme una prótesis capilar de calidad.

Y más aún ahora mismo, que acabo de pelarmela cabeza y quitarme la barba moruna.

[Rocinante]

Envidio su pelazo. Yo soy uno de los que quiere ver su cabeza clavada en una estaca, para poderle cortar el cuero cabelludo junto con el pelazo, y hacerme una prótesis capilar de calidad.

Y más aún ahora mismo, que acabo de pelarmela cabeza y quitarme la barba moruna.

Hombre, tu viste al final las fotos? No lo recuerdo, pero si es así bueno, si me llega a matar el pucelano, le pides mi cuero cabelludo, te lo dono con gusto.

[mitalit]

Envidio su pelazo. Yo soy uno de los que quiere ver su cabeza clavada en una estaca, para poderle cortar el cuero cabelludo junto con el pelazo, y hacerme una prótesis capilar de calidad.

Y más aún ahora mismo, que acabo de pelarmela cabeza y quitarme la barba moruna.

Pero dentro de lo malo has tenido suerte, te queda de bien estar calvo eres de esos pocos elegidos

[mitalit]

Hombre, tu viste al final las fotos? No lo recuerdo, pero si es así bueno, si me llega a matar el pucelano, le pides mi cuero cabelludo, te lo dono con gusto.

Dame a mí un poco por si algún día me hace falta

[Rocinante]

Dame a mí un poco por si algún día me hace falta

Con gusto hombre! plazer, gizona!

[gixajo]

Hombre, tu viste al final las fotos? No lo recuerdo, pero si es así bueno, si me llega a matar el pucelano, le pides mi cuero cabelludo, te lo dono con gusto.

Sí, ví unas.

[gixajo]

Necesito pelazo para hacer de soldado de los tercios en una película situada en el siglo XVI, es lo único que me falta creo :



Me dejé bigote al quitarme la barba esta tarde, salí partiéndome el culo del baño, y en cuanto em vieron me dijeron que me quitara "eso" ahora mismo.

[Gallop]

Continuing with my genealogical research to support genetics, I have obtained the second surname of my paternal great-great-grandfather, which is

AGUILAR

Aguilar is a last name derived from the Latin aquilare, which means "place inhabited by eagles".

The origin of this lineage has to go back to the distant times of the Spanish Reconquest when the Christian armies occupied the lands that for centuries had been ruled by the Muslims. During the time of the Reconquest, the soldiers who were at the service of the Christian army used to be awarded with lots and portions of land, and elevated to the category of nobles, with which, their surnames were on record for the passage of history.

The first house of this lineage settled the town of Aguilar de Campoo. Very soon branches emerged that passed to Navarra, Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia, Rioja, Asturias and Galicia, creating many solar houses, which contributed to spreading the name in the mentioned regions.

Fray Pedro de Aguilar, Commander of Mallorca in the Mercedarian Order in 1317, came from the branch of Catalonia. In the 14th century an Aguilar family of merchants lived in Barcelona, ​​specifically in Montcada street (the current Aguilar Palace, home of the Picasso Museum ), who in 1510 obtained the privilege of Honored Citizens of Barcelona. In Cardona, during the 14th century, a family of merchants settled, possibly related to the previous one. They moved to Barcelona in the following century, reaching the caballerato. The Aguilar de Organyà were lords of the place of Fígols. Noble families of this surname lived in the cities of Balaguer, La Seu d'Urgell and Torroella de Montgrí. In the 12th century, the Aguilar were Castilians from Malla and lords of the farmhouses of Belltall, Aguilar and Güells. Many knights of the family name Aguilar proved their nobility to enter the various Military Orders of Santiago, Montesa, Alcántara, Carlos III and San Juan de Jerusalem, doing it in the Hijosdalgo Room of the Royal Audience and Chancery of Valladolid and in the Royal Audience of Oviedo. It is one of the surnames of the 200 lineage knights who came to the reconquest of Seville with San Fernando. They held positions of Jury in the city council in diverse centuries. Don Alfonso de Aguilar, was mayor of Seville in the reign of the Catholic Monarchs. Of this family are the Great Captain Don Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba and his brother Don Alonso de Aguilar, belonging to the Cordovan branch of the family. Sebastián Aguilar conquered Florida in 1563. Related to the Marquis of Donadío and Peílaflor.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aguilar_(apellido)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T4V7GCorkks/TnJpkEiiEeI/AAAAAAAABlk/8ukOPnCuaXw/s400/Aguilar+km.jpg


Also I have obtained the second surname of my paternal great-grandmother who is



RAMÍREZ

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Isabel Naranjo Ramírez (Paternal great-grandmother (c)) No reply

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Paternal family photo (c) No reply

https://elsignificadode.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ramirez-1.jpg

Ramírez is a surname of patronymic origin, that is, of patriarchal origin derived from the Christian name Ramiro; this last name means in Spanish "son of Ramiro". As every patronymic surname lacks a genealogical relationship with each other, so each Ramírez in the world does not have the same origin. Its influence extends from the Iberian Peninsula, throughout the American Continent and other parts of the world.

The suffix -ez is of Visigothic Germanic origin and is the patronymic way of indicating filiation. Both in Visigothic Spain, and in other Germanic cultures, it was common to form an individual's last name by adding the father's first name with one of the patronymic forms az, ez, iz or oz. In this way, paternal surnames such as Álvarez (son of Álvaro), López (son of Lope) and Rodríguez (son of Rodrigo), among others, are born; The Portuguese form of this surname is Ramires.

There are several theories about the origin of the last name Ramírez, but most genealogists agree that its origin is first due to the Visigothic people when they conquered part of Europe. One of the theories says that the last name Ramírez comes from the name Ramón, this in Germanic language. means "Notice" and "protector", coming from Reginmund of the ragin elements, equal to advice, advice, consultation, notification or notice, and Mund, which means protector. In this way it would spread from 406 d. C. in most of Europe in many surnames or names, among them the names and possible surnames of Raimundo, Raymonde, Raymundi, Raydan, Ramones, Rajmund, Raimunde, Raimonds, Raimo, Raimondas, among others, the saints of this derivation They are Ramón Nonato and Raimundo de Peñafort.

The most accepted theory anyway is the one that comes from the name Ramiro or Ramirus. This name is the Latinized form in the Visigothic language of ragin (read above) and mari (famous), while Ramón could mean warning or "protective advice". Ramiro would mean "famous notification", although in Spanish it means "Great judge" (Ramirus), and Raimundo "powerful protector". Anyway it is of Teutonic origin. History tells that Saint Ramiro, patron saint of the Ramírez family, was killed by Arian Visigoths in ca. 554 or 630 while singing the Nicene creed with his brothers.

It is a Germanic contraction of the name Ranimiro, of Visigothic origin, for Ranamêrs, which would mean (frog: wedge and mers: illustrious). Others take it from Radamir (rad: council, and miru: distinguished), although this last element could be of Slavic origin.

Noble houses of Ramírez

Façade of the Palazzo Ramírez di Montalvo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Palazzo_Ramirez_da_Montalvo.JPG/300px-Palazzo_Ramirez_da_Montalvo.JPG

Madrid solar house

The first solar house to use the last name Ramírez according to several authors, is the one founded in Madrid by Mr. Gracián (Garzia, García) Ramírez from the castle on the slopes of Rivas, on the banks of the Jarama River. This Mr. García was the first Governor, Mayor and Captain of Madrid, founder of the chapel of "Nuestra Señora de Atocha". Her son Juan Ramírez was at the service of Alfonso VI. Diego Ramírez, another descendant of Gracián (García) Ramírez, from Madrid, equally served King Fernando IV.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%C3%ADrez

[gixajo]

repeated.

[gixajo]

Continuing with my genealogical research to support genetics, I have obtained the second surname of my paternal great-great-grandfather, which is



RAMÍREZ

RL]

No hagas mucho caso de esas páginas de heráldica y genealogía generalistas, hay montones de orígenes simultáneos y casas solares y distintos escudos heráldicos relacionados con el mismo apellido.

Para saber exactamente esos datos se tus apellidos particulares tienes que hacer una investigación seria.

Hay casas solares de Ramírez en muchos sitios diferentes, y posiblemente (no necesariamente) si pudieras retroceder varios siglos atrás, igual tu apellido Ramírez es un apellido compuesto.

En Álava conozco al menos una casa solar de Ramírez, que comenté en un hilo sobre caballeros cruzados españoles, y en ese caso el apellido Ramírez está relacionado con la casa real Navarra más o menos de la misma época que la que esa página de genealogía generalista menciona del Ramírez que servía a Alfonso VI. Hay varios sitios en La Rioja, Álava y Navarra relacionados con esta misma familia.

[Gallop]

Estoy en ello, es un dato más.

Podría estar entroncado con la casa Real de Navarra, xd

[Defcon2]

Gallop, pon tu haplogrupete aquí:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IVHdHh6BLDvh_kFN-O9_DL0mc98VQ3KnUk6u5gQP1lU/edit#gid=1797473836

[Gota_type_]

No hagas mucho caso de esas páginas de heráldica y genealogía generalistas, hay montones de orígenes simultáneos y casas solares y distintos escudos heráldicos relacionados con el mismo apellido.

Para saber exactamente esos datos se tus apellidos particulares tienes que hacer una investigación seria.

Hay casas solares de Ramírez en muchos sitios diferentes, y posiblemente (no necesariamente) si pudieras retroceder varios siglos atrás, igual tu apellido Ramírez es un apellido compuesto.

En Álava conozco al menos una casa solar de Ramírez, (Ramírez de la Piscina/Peciña) que comenté en un hilo sobre caballeros cruzados españoles, y en ese caso el apellido Ramírez está relacionado con la casa real Navarra más o menos de la misma época que la que esa página de genealogía generalista menciona del Ramírez que servía a Alfonso VI.

De hecho, es curioso ver cómo los vascos de la alta Edad Media solían tener apellido no-vasco por el hecho de que heredaban como apellido el nombre del padre. Es decir, un Ramiro Fernandez de Erandio tendría un hijo llamado Gonzalo Ramirez de Erandio y su hijo se llamaría Fernando González de Erandio. No sé cuándo empezarían a aparecer apellidos en euskera propiamente dichos pero al menos en la época más antigua (romance-latín) solían ser apellidos castellanos como tb se puede comprobar con los fundadores de ciudades que eran Lopez de tal o cual.

[gixajo]

De hecho, es curioso ver cómo los vascos de la alta Edad Media solían tener apellido no-vasco por el hecho de que heredaban como apellido el nombre del padre. Es decir, un Ramiro Fernandez de Erandio tendría un hijo llamado Gonzalo Ramirez de Erandio y su hijo se llamaría Fernando González de Erandio. No sé cuándo empezarían a aparecer apellidos en euskera propiamente dichos pero al menos en la época más antigua (romance-latín) solían ser apellidos castellanos como tb se puede comprobar con los fundadores de ciudades que eran Lopez de tal o cual.

Creo que la mayoría de los apellidos en Euskera hoy en día son los antiguos apellidos compuestos de patronímico castellano acabado en -z +toponímico en euskera, al que simplemente se le quitó el patronímico castellano . Hoy en día la mayoría de esos apellidos compuestos que quedan están en Álava.

Pero no es un fenómeno reciente ni exclusivo del País vasco, es algo que ocurrió en toda España, aunque igual en el resto de España había menos proporción de apellidos compuestos.

Lo de quitarse el patronímico castellano en vascos, podría estar relacionado con lo que hablamos un día de la Vizcainía y la consideración de buena cuna de los naturales de la zona del Pías Vasco actual, porque un apellido claramente vasco, significaría buena sangre. Digo esto porque la hidalguía por origen era practicamente universal en las actuales provincias de Vizcaya y Guipúzcoa, que es donde no hay apellidos compuestos en números semejantes a los que sí hay en gente nativa de Álava.

Es solo una teoría propia, no he leído nada semejante por ahí, igual existe gente que haya planteado esto antes, pero no es muy descabellada.

[Gota_type_]

Creo que la mayoría de los apellidos en Euskera hoy en día son los antiguos apellidos compuestos de patronímico castellano acabado en -z +toponímico en euskera, al que simplemente se le quitó el patronímico castellano . Hoy en día la mayoría de esos apellidos compuestos que quedan están en Álava.

Pero no es un fenómeno reciente ni exclusivo del País vasco, es algo que ocurrió en toda España, aunque igual en el resto de España había menos proporción de apellidos compuestos.

Lo de quitarse el patronímico castellano en vascos, podría estar relacionado con lo que hablamos un día de la Vizcainía y la consideración de buena cuna de los naturales de la zona del Pías Vasco actual, porque un apellido claramente vasco, significaría buena sangre. Digo esto porque la hidalguía por origen era practicamente universal en las actuales provincias de Vizcaya y Guipúzcoa, que es donde no hay apellidos compuestos en números semejantes a los que sí hay en gente nativa de Álava.

Es solo una teoría propia, no he leído nada semejante por ahí, igual existe gente que haya planteado esto antes, pero no es muy descabellada.

Sí, ya sabía lo de la hidalguía universal en esas provincias. Lo curioso es que en la Edad Media creo que era en toda España, supongo que todavía más en las ciudades (no tanto en los pueblos), cuando se solía añadir el lugar de origen al propio apellido, así había muchos que eran "Juan de Cáceres" o "Francisco de Alcalá" y similares. Me pregunto cuántos de estos apellidos (consistentes en ciudad de origen) en realidad esconden otro origen real. Es decir, que a lo mejor un Francisco de Alcalá de 1400 era nieto de un Antonio de Zamudio y los españoles descendientes de Francisco de Alcalá siguen teniendo el "de Alcalá" como apellido y, en realidad, su origen está en Zamudio o donde sea.

De todas formas los españoles tenemos suerte al menos de conservar los 2 apellidos y también de que la mujer no perdiera su apellido en favor del marido (como pasa en la mayoría de países anglosajones), pues es bastante útil para buscar antepasados.

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I'm from the Algarve (Portugal) genetically and we got similar HGvF results, and map. Have you done K13, K15, and K36? I'm wondering if we get similar.

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I'm from the Algarve (Portugal) genetically and we got similar HGvF results, and map. Have you done K13, K15, and K36? I'm wondering if we get similar.

K13, K15 están en la primera página de este hilo, k36 debe estar también por aquí, quotea y pon el tuyo después.

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Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.76
2 West_Med 23.82
3 North_Sea 20.35
4 West_Asian 6.42
5 Baltic 4.75
6 Red_Sea 3.37
7 East_Med 3.13
8 Northeast_African 2.55
9 Eastern_Euro 2.31

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

Your genetic ancestry calculator results
EUtest V2 K15
Compare yourself with 15 ancestral populations.


Population
Percentage
North Sea
20.47%
Atlantic
31.77%
Baltic
4.80%
Eastern European
2.11%
West Mediterranean
23.79%
West Asian
6.45%
East Mediterranean
3.07%
Red Sea
3.44%
South Asian
0.00%
Southeast-Asian
0.00%
Siberian
1.03%
Amerindian
0.00%
Oceanian
0.15%
Northeast African
2.51%
Sub-Saharan
0.41%


My results in Gedmatch and Yourdnaportal. Yordnaporal gets a little more noise but it's also nice to see.

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Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.76
2 West_Med 23.82
3 North_Sea 20.35
4 West_Asian 6.42
5 Baltic 4.75
6 Red_Sea 3.37
7 East_Med 3.13
8 Northeast_African 2.55
9 Eastern_Euro 2.31

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

Your genetic ancestry calculator results
EUtest V2 K15
Compare yourself with 15 ancestral populations.


Population
Percentage
North Sea
20.47%
Atlantic
31.77%
Baltic
4.80%
Eastern European
2.11%
West Mediterranean
23.79%
West Asian
6.45%
East Mediterranean
3.07%
Red Sea
3.44%
South Asian
0.00%
Southeast-Asian
0.00%
Siberian
1.03%
Amerindian
0.00%
Oceanian
0.15%
Northeast African
2.51%
Sub-Saharan
0.41%


My results in Gedmatch and Yourdnaportal. Yordnaporal gets a little more noise but it's also nice to see.

Oracle? and nMonte?

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Some results of YorudnaPortal

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Gallop Results Official Thread

My results on this G25 calculator

G25 model Middle Ages+Renaissance unscaled.

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My Deep Dives results

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Continue...

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[Gallop]

Top ten

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hHpG0tqaNR4/Xt-ZKV44CmI/AAAAAAAAD-I/W4aZto-1exQbt9MU66rHJeimQ7OwAS9agCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Mis10topJunio2020.jpeg

And news Deep Dive

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uwDbaC6rzMk/XsjZWsoS_XI/AAAAAAAAD4I/J8n3iMUDi4oXNiRiajj5mbKPLx_FDf48wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/NeolithicFrancePENOO1real2.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Df2zx0Cjol0/XtGnKUfaK2I/AAAAAAAAD7w/MVXDA_ZPvJQbMlYiyy6susBAiUbtcc_GwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/PontsurSeineBronzeAgeFrancePSS4170.JPEG

100x100 Andalusian
100x100 Spaniard

[dududud]

Photo.

Dudududud estaba en contra de la existencia de este fenotipo, no? joer está claro el porqué. A los medidores de cráneos les fastidia que se les pueda atribuir algo feo a ellos pero no cuando se trata de los demás.

There are no measurements related to a supposedly "berid" type, so from there: it does not have a berid type.

Otzi doesn't look like this pseudo "berid" photo either.

No one looks like that, except people who have a strong sub-Saharan and North African contribution, because yes it is a non-European phenotype, the Sardinians do not look like that. None of my Sardinian ancestors looked like this. Only ignorant think this phenotype is European, because is not European, neither related to EEF, far away.

[Defcon2]

There are no measurements related to a supposedly "berid" type, so from there: it does not have a berid type.

Otzi doesn't look like this pseudo "berid" photo either.

No one looks like that, except people who have a strong sub-Saharan and North African contribution, because yes it is a non-European phenotype, the Sardinians do not look like that. None of my Sardinian ancestors looked like this. Only ignorant think this phenotype is European, because is not European, neither related to EEF, far away.

It does not seem European to me either, and there are many photos of Sardinians on Google that demonstrate its real phenotype.

[Gallop]

Top ten

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hHpG0tqaNR4/Xt-ZKV44CmI/AAAAAAAAD-I/W4aZto-1exQbt9MU66rHJeimQ7OwAS9agCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Mis10topJunio2020.jpeg

And news Deep Dive

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uwDbaC6rzMk/XsjZWsoS_XI/AAAAAAAAD4I/J8n3iMUDi4oXNiRiajj5mbKPLx_FDf48wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/NeolithicFrancePENOO1real2.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Df2zx0Cjol0/XtGnKUfaK2I/AAAAAAAAD7w/MVXDA_ZPvJQbMlYiyy6susBAiUbtcc_GwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/PontsurSeineBronzeAgeFrancePSS4170.JPEG

100x100 Andalusian
100x100 Spaniard


No he obtenido a Oetzi en MTA. En GD lo obtengo con 7.5 cm. Cómo es posible.

[gixajo]

Los resultados de mi padre, tanto él como sus bisabuelos son de Úbeda, Jaén.

MyHeritage ethnic estimation:

https://i.imgur.com/Iq2MMDF.png


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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.51
2 West_Med 30.89
3 East_Med 11.26
4 Baltic 10.67
5 Red_Sea 5.23
6 Northeast_African 1.43
7 Sub-Saharan 1.28


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 5.461232
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.635247
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.647831
4 Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.717513
5 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.393061
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.429163
7 Portuguese @ 6.715703
8 Spanish_Valencia @ 7.139672
9 Spanish_Murcia @ 7.176755
10 Southwest_French @ 7.453736
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 7.673363
12 Spanish_Cataluna @ 8.190836
13 North_Italian @ 13.319621
14 French @ 15.161893
15 French_Basque @ 19.214380
16 Tuscan @ 20.055922
17 South_Dutch @ 21.765316
18 West_German @ 22.248968
19 Southeast_English @ 26.376438
20 Southwest_English @ 26.466553



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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.85
2 West_Med 24.42
3 North_Sea 15.36
4 East_Med 8.63
5 Baltic 8.2
6 Red_Sea 5.43
7 Northeast_African 1.84
8 Eastern_Euro 1.71
9 West_Asian 1.29
10 Sub-Saharan 1
11 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 5.2
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.43
3 Spanish_Aragon 5.66
4 Spanish_Valencia 5.9
5 Spanish_Cantabria 5.97
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.25
7 Southwest_French 6.26
8 Spanish_Extremadura 6.95
9 Spanish_Murcia 7.19
10 Spanish_Cataluna 8.17
11 Portuguese 8.31
12 Spanish_Galicia 9.71
13 North_Italian 11.52
14 French_Basque 13.96
15 French 15.71
16 Tuscan 16.96
17 South_Dutch 19.83
18 Serbian 21.87
19 Austrian 22.05
20 West_Sicilian 22.39

k36(esto me rompe todos los esquemas)


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.94 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 11.66 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.92 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.94 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.94 Pct
East_Med 0.05 Pct
Eastern_Euro 1.24 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 0.29 Pct
Iberian 34.92 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.16 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 4.75 Pct
North_Atlantic 7.72 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 3.63 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.13 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.27 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.51 Pct
West_Med 6.92 Pct

[Gallop]

Two 100x100 andalusians
Jaén versus Cádiz




k36 Father gixago
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.94 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 11.66 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.92 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.94 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.94 Pct
East_Med 0.05 Pct
Eastern_Euro 1.24 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 0.29 Pct
Iberian 34.92 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.16 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 4.75 Pct
North_Atlantic 7.72 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 3.63 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.13 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.27 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.51 Pct
West_Med 6.92 Pct

Population
Gallop
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.06 Pct
Basque 10.27 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.51 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.03 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Central_Euro 2.24 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.11 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.68 Pct
French 2.81 Pct
Iberian 22.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.41 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.33 Pct
North_African 3.96 Pct
North_Atlantic 12.55 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.57 Pct
North_Sea 10.08 Pct
Northeast_African 1.87 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.11 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.30 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.57 Pct
West_Med 9.67 Pct

Mañana haré el resto para ver, es tardísimo y me voy ya a la cama.

De vasco más o menos ahí estamos. Tiene más iberian tu padre, más italiano y menos francés que yo que también tengo más North Altlántic y más North sea, tengo también North Caucasian. Tampoco me ha salido arabian.

North african bastante similar, es lo que me dio FTDNA.

Teniendo en cuenta la diferencia de haplogrupos que tenemos tampoco es como para ver diferencias enormes, algunos valores un poco más aquí un poco menos allá, lo que demuestra que el autosomal es mucho en comparación simplemente con el haplogrupo dnaY por poner un ejemplo y creo que haber estado bastante tiempo en la tierra en cierto modo se ve.

Ahora no sé qué decirte, que andalusian más raro estoy hecho, tampoco se queda atrás tu padre, al final las coordenadas que hay por ahí no sé a qué andaluces representan...?. Espero tu opinión porque tengo la picha hecha un lío ya.

Mañana veré si tú has visto algo significativo o lo ves de otra manera.

Gudnait

[gixajo]

Two 100x100 andalusians
Jaén versus Cádiz



Mañana haré el resto para ver, es tardísimo y me voy ya a la cama.

De vasco más o menos ahí estamos. Tiene más iberian tu padre, más italiano y menos francés que yo que también tengo más North Altlántic y más North sea, tengo también North Caucasian. Tampoco me ha salido arabian.

North african bastante similar, es lo que me dio FTDNA.

Teniendo en cuenta la diferencia de haplogrupos que tenemos tampoco es como para ver diferencias enormes, algunos valores un poco más aquí un poco menos allá, lo que demuestra que el autosomal es mucho en comparación simplemente con el haplogrupo dnaY por poner un ejemplo y creo que haber estado bastante tiempo en la tierra en cierto modo se ve.

Ahora no sé qué decirte, que andalusian más raro estoy hecho, tampoco se queda atrás tu padre, al final las coordenadas que hay por ahí no sé a qué andaluces representan...?. Espero tu opinión porque tengo la picha hecha un lío ya.

Mañana veré si tú has visto algo significativo o lo ves de otra manera.

Gudnait

Lo que llama la atención es el Arabian tan alto que tiene mi padre, y el Basque, pero al final ya sabemos que el Basque y el Iberian interfieren entre ellos, es un componente muy "efímero".

Al menos esa es la idea que me tengo desde el principio.

Necesitaríamos tener cientos de resultados de andaluces para poder sacar alguna conclusión, no creo que podamos pensar que son representativos de toda una población, ni siquiera de sus respectivas zonas, pero aún así,ya vamos teniendo más luz sobre los de esta región.

[Gaditanian]

Lo que llama la atención es el Arabian tan alto que tiene mi padre, y el Basque, pero al final ya sabemos que el Basque y el Iberian interfieren entre ellos, es un componente muy "efímero".

Al menos esa es la idea que me tengo desde el principio.

Necesitaríamos tener cientos de resultados de andaluces para poder sacar alguna conclusión, no creo que podamos pensar que son representativos de toda una población, ni siquiera de sus respectivas zonas, pero aún así,ya vamos teniendo más luz sobre los de esta región.

Sí, el arabian es el más alto que por ahora he visto por aquí, este es el mío

K36

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.53 Pct
Armenian 0.84 Pct
Basque 8.68 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.21 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 6.27 Pct
French 3.99 Pct
Iberian 24.67 Pct
Indo-Chinese 0.06 Pct
Italian 19.35 Pct
Malayan 2.27 Pct
Near_Eastern 8.33 Pct
North_African 5.11 Pct
North_Atlantic 10.18 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic 1.61 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.17 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med


K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.85
2 West_Med 27.83
3 East_Med 16.95
4 Baltic 6.93
5 Northeast_African 3.99
6 West_Asian 2.2
7 Red_Sea 2.02
8 East_Asian 1.98
9 South_Asian 0.86
10 Amerindian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 5.17
2 Spanish_Murcia 5.51
3 Spanish_Extremadura 6
4 Spanish_Valencia 6.62
5 Portuguese 6.68
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.74
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.1
8 Spanish_Galicia 7.96
9 Spanish_Cataluna 8.31
10 Spanish_Aragon 8.8
11 North_Italian 9.27
12 Spanish_Cantabria 9.31
13 Southwest_French 11.59
14 Tuscan 13.86
15 French 15.11
16 West_Sicilian 19.62
17 French_Basque 20.11
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.98
19 West_German 21.09
20 South_Dutch 21.14

K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.74
2 West_Med 22.24
3 East_Med 14.76
4 North_Sea 11.06
5 Northeast_African 4.3
6 Baltic 3.13
7 Eastern_Euro 2.96
8 Red_Sea 2.41
9 Southeast_Asian 1.72
10 West_Asian 1.66
11 South_Asian 0.84
12 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 7.42
2 Spanish_Valencia 8.52
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.63
4 Spanish_Aragon 9.19
5 Spanish_Murcia 9.79
6 Spanish_Extremadura 10.89
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.42
8 Spanish_Cantabria 11.71
9 Southwest_French 11.95
10 Spanish_Cataluna 12.42
11 Portuguese 12.7
12 North_Italian 13.27
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.14
14 French_Basque 15.62
15 Tuscan 16.79
16 West_Sicilian 19.97
17 French 20.25
18 Italian_Abruzzo 22.28
19 Greek 23.01
20 South_Dutch 23.93

[gixajo]

Sí, el arabian es el más alto que por ahora he visto por aquí, este es el mío

23.93

De hecho es casi tan alto como el que puede tener un Marroquí, con la diferencia que el NA está en la media española o incluso algo por debajo.

[Gallop]

K15


Gaditanian / gixago father / Gallop

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-opk8ImHGJmA/XuYryqYTKhI/AAAAAAAAD-w/o410W_-zz5oGUZIVO05eqRKQQdS_csoSACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/K15Trif%25C3%25A1sico.jpeg

Me destaco un poco más en North sea y en West asian que puede ser los valores que me he estado viendo estos días del Cáucaso, de Georgia. En East Med tenéis un valor más alto, no sé a qué zona concreta puede referirse ya que las etiquetas cubren zonas muy amplias. East Med si se refiere a Oriente próximo creo que es donde los vascos no obtienen valor, aquí también tengo un valor mucho más bajo y sin embargo en Mediterráneo que estamos más o menos igualados un vasco sacaría un valor más alto.

Después está el ruído.

Probablemente 3 haplogrupos dnaY diferentes en cada uno y fíjate, si sólo nos tuviéramos que guiar por eso, es interesante por saber cuándo o con quiénes llegaron pero realmente la permanencia en los territorios y la importancia de los matrimonios con los diferentes mtDNA según las zonas del recorrido lo superan con creces.

[gixajo]

Con unos cuantos más podríamos empezar a pensar en hacer coordenadas propias de Andalucía.

[gixajo]

K15


Gaditanian / gixago father / Gallop


Me destaco un poco más en North sea y en West asian que puede ser los valores que me he estado viendo estos días del Cáucaso, de Georgia. En East Med tenéis un valor más alto, no sé a qué zona concreta puede referirse ya que las etiquetas cubren zonas muy amplias. East Med si se refiere a Oriente próximo creo que es donde los vascos no obtienen valor, aquí también tengo un valor mucho más bajo y sin embargo en Mediterráneo que estamos más o menos igualados un vasco sacaría un valor más alto.

Después está el ruído.

Probablemente 3 haplogrupos dnaY diferentes en cada uno y fíjate, si sólo nos tuviéramos que guiar por eso, es interesante por saber cuándo o con quiénes llegaron pero realmente la permanencia en los territorios y la importancia de los matrimonios con los diferentes mtDNA según las zonas del recorrido lo superan con creces.

El East Med es un componente que da alto también en griegos, italianos, balcánicos y turcos, aparte de todo oriente próximo. que es donde está el pico más alto.

[Gaditanian]

K15


Gaditanian / gixago father / Gallop

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-opk8ImHGJmA/XuYryqYTKhI/AAAAAAAAD-w/o410W_-zz5oGUZIVO05eqRKQQdS_csoSACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/K15Trif%25C3%25A1sico.jpeg

Me destaco un poco más en North sea y en West asian que puede ser los valores que me he estado viendo estos días del Cáucaso, de Georgia. En East Med tenéis un valor más alto, no sé a qué zona concreta puede referirse ya que las etiquetas cubren zonas muy amplias. East Med si se refiere a Oriente próximo creo que es donde los vascos no obtienen valor, aquí también tengo un valor mucho más bajo y sin embargo en Mediterráneo que estamos más o menos igualados un vasco sacaría un valor más alto.

Después está el ruído.

Probablemente 3 haplogrupos dnaY diferentes en cada uno y fíjate, si sólo nos tuviéramos que guiar por eso, es interesante por saber cuándo o con quiénes llegaron pero realmente la permanencia en los territorios y la importancia de los matrimonios con los diferentes mtDNA según las zonas del recorrido lo superan con creces.

Estupenda comparación.

El east-med junto con northeast-africa podría ser indicativo de magrebí, sin embargo estoy en total ausencia de subsahariano lo cual supongo que debería descartarlo.

Sin embargo el south-east asia es cercano a 2 y está ausente en vosotros dos, lo cual podría indicar algún componente túrquico, pero esto no creo que pueda casar con el elevado northeast-africa.

A no ser que esto tuviera una conexión no con magrebíes sino con medio oriente.

No logro sacar una conclusión clara :confused:

[Gaditanian]

El East Med es un componente que da alto también en griegos, italianos, balcánicos y turcos, aparte de todo oriente próximo. que es donde está el pico más alto.

En otras páginas como Livingdna me da un 3% turco y en calculadoras como Dodecad K12b alrededor de 10%, además de mytrueancestry que tengo entre los principales matches el Hungarian Conqueror con 99% y tres escitas.

9. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 9.285 -
Top 99 % match vs all users

13. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 9.866 -
Top 99 % match vs all users

34. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 12.64 -
Top 96 % match vs all users

37. Hungarian Conqueror Karos II (900 AD) ..... 12.99 -
Top 99 % match vs all users

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 40.87
2 North_European 21.62
3 Caucasus 11.08
4 Gedrosia 8.74
5 Northwest_African 7.18
6 Southwest_Asian 6.15
7 Southeast_Asian 2.34
8 East_African 1.56
9 South_Asian 0.38
10 Sub_Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese (Dodecad) 7.6
2 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 7.83
3 Galicia (1000Genomes) 8.51
4 Canarias (1000Genomes) 9.15
5 Baleares (1000Genomes) 10.12
6 Murcia (1000Genomes) 10.24
7 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 10.76
8 Spanish (Dodecad) 12.09
9 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 12.36
10 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 12.64
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.71
12 Spaniards (Behar) 12.79
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.37
14 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 13.64
15 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 14.64
16 Valencia (1000Genomes) 15.04
17 Aragon (1000Genomes) 15.57
18 French (HGDP) 16.34
19 French (Dodecad) 16.34
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 12.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.82
2 87.2% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 12.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.96
3 88.3% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.7% Iranians (Behar) @ 4.07
4 88.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.13
5 88.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.5% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.16
6 88.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 4.21
7 89.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 10.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.41
8 87.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 12.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.51
9 87.3% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 12.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.52
10 88.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.54
11 86% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 14% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.58
12 89% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 4.61
13 90.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 9.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.73
14 86.2% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 13.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.74
15 88.7% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 11.3% Iranians (Behar) @ 4.83
16 90.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 9.6% Pathan (HGDP) @ 4.85
17 88.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4.91
18 88.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 11.4% Turks (Behar) @ 4.91
19 90.3% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 9.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.92
20 88.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 11.1% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.93


No sé si los tiros irán por ahí :rolleyes:

[Defcon2]

Estupenda comparación.

El east-med junto con northeast-africa podría ser indicativo de magrebí, sin embargo estoy en total ausencia de subsahariano lo cual supongo que debería descartarlo.

Sin embargo el south-east asia es cercano a 2 y está ausente en vosotros dos, lo cual podría indicar algún componente túrquico, pero esto no creo que pueda casar con el elevado northeast-africa.

A no ser que esto tuviera una conexión no con magrebíes sino con medio oriente.

No logro sacar una conclusión clara :confused:

El subsaharan y northeast african son dos componentes iguales, no hay diferencia entre ellos, saco un 3.20 subsaharan pero nada de northeast african.

[Gaditanian]

El subsaharan y northeast african son dos componentes iguales, no hay diferencia entre ellos, saco un 3.20 subsaharan pero nada de northeast african.

Según el Spreadsheet el northeast tiene su mayor concentración en el cuerno de África, y como curiosidad al hacer el test EthioHelix K10 + French saca un 4,1 de Omotic, cifra muy similar a este northeast África.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 French 65.49
2 North-Africa 30.36
3 Omotic 4.15

En 23andme si obtengo subsahara pero solo 0,3 %

https://fotos.subefotos.com/284ff9bc5a7c56e6dccea2af8021fdd4o.jpg

[gixajo]

La estimación de DnaLand de mi padre:

https://i.imgur.com/Y9NrSEw.png

Y recuerdo el mío:

https://i.imgur.com/JB3p5Ky.png

[Defcon2]

Según el Spreadsheet el northeast tiene su mayor concentración en el cuerno de África, y como curiosidad al hacer el test EthioHelix K10 + French saca un 4,1 de Omotic, cifra muy similar a este northeast África.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 French 65.49
2 North-Africa 30.36
3 Omotic 4.15

En 23andme si obtengo subsahara pero solo 0,3 %

https://fotos.subefotos.com/284ff9bc5a7c56e6dccea2af8021fdd4o.jpg

Todos son africanos subsaharianos, desde somalíes hasta bantúes y yorubas.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Africa2

[Gaditanian]

Todos son africanos subsaharianos, desde somalíes hasta bantúes y yorubas.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Africa2

De hecho en ese PCA que pones es dónde más se nota la diferencia entre los pueblos del este de áfrica y los del Oeste, tanto es así, que incluso la etnia Tutsi que tan masacrada fue por los Hutus, aparece mucho más próxima a los somalíes y etíopes.

Así que según lo que veo

Northeast_african = Afroasiáticos

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Afro-asiatic_map.png

Sub-Saharan = Bantúes

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Bantu_area.png

[Luso]

Mis resultados de DNALAND... soy ancestralmente en el sur de Portugal:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=99745&d=1592260201

[Gaditanian]

De MyTrueAncestry no te fíes mucho, es un consejo.
Si me creyese el de MTA me pone en el mapa de Ancient Ancestry como Normando y también el tuyo de Moldova.
Entre otros como Este de la Península Ibérica, Italia, Alemania, Francia, Hungría, Cruzado Francés, etc..
Según algunos sólo ponen resultados para que te emociones y digas "Joder pues soy belga según esto" por poner un ejemplo.


Hombre, no veo razón para emocionarme xD me emocionaría con algo realmente inesperado y sorprendente como un match con un sample Inca o Japonés, eso si sería emocionante saber como pudo llegar un ADN así hasta España, como por ejemplo la embajada de samurais japoneses que llegó a Coria del Río en España en el siglo XVI y se quedaron por aquí, eso estaría muy bien.

MHA está bien para comparar tu ADN con el de otras tribus antiguas ejemplificados con imágenes frikis, y utilizarlo como indicativo de proximidad que es a lo que me refería, si me aparecen 4 tribus situadas al este de europa, puede ser considerado como indicativo de que en tu ADN hay coincidencias más próximos a esa zona que de Senegal.

En MHA obtengo el primer puesto en los Proto-Ilirios/Tracios, y tengo claro que si yo me trasladara a esos tiempos en una de esas tribus en absoluto podría pasar inadvertido.

https://fotos.subefotos.com/c710994cc638ac331a84d46786afb3aeo.jpg

Esto es una característica del Autosomal que mucha gente desconoce, y es que las combinaciones te sitúan en puntos intermedios, sin que tengas porque tener raíces en ese territorio.

Este ejemplo concreto de Coreana con Malayo

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307288-Half-Malaysian-Half-Korean-23andme-Gedmatch-Oracle-and-K36-Map

Si esta persona fuera adoptada sin saber sus orígenes y se hiciera el test, podría llegar a pensar que sus raíces están en China, cuando lo que hace el Autosomal es encontrar un punto intermedio aproximado entre los dos ADN.

MDLP K16:

# Population Percent
1 SouthEastAsian 78.8
2 Siberian 15.16
3 Australian 1.7
4 Amerindian 1.05
5 Neolithic 0.98
6 Arctic 0.88
7 NearEast 0.44
8 Caucasian 0.43
9 NorthAfrican 0.29
10 NorthEastEuropean 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tujia (Hubei) 2.46
2 Han (China) 3.87
3 Miao (Guizhou) 5.43
4 She (Zhejiang) 6.74