Bronze Age Steppe 3200 ybp (RISE493 Sabinka 2, Russia Y-DNA Q-L712 mtDNA C4a1c)

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Y-DNA Q-L712 mtDNA C4a1c

Kit F999950 RISE493 Sabinka 2, Russia

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 28.92
2 Baltic 28.25
3 North_Atlantic 18.11
4 West_Asian 9.28
5 Amerindian 7.47
6 South_Asian 6.73
7 East_Asian 1.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mari 14.66
2 Chuvash 17.77
3 Tatar 17.92
4 Shors 23.62
5 Afghan_Turkmen 24.94
6 Uzbeki 28.29
7 Hakas 28.64
8 Kazakh 29.6
9 Kargopol_Russian 31.49
10 Erzya 31.7
11 Aghan_Hazara 32.11
12 Nogay 32.19
13 East_Finnish 32.48
14 Hazara 33.1
15 Uygur 33.47
16 Ket 33.61
17 Kirgiz 33.63
18 Finnish 34.12
19 Moldavian 34.74
20 Selkup 34.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Tatar + 25.1% Chukchi @ 8.2
2 75.7% Tatar + 24.3% Koryak @ 8.4
3 67.3% Tatar + 32.7% Ket @ 8.42
4 68.6% Tatar + 31.4% Selkup @ 9.05
5 62% Kargopol_Russian + 38% Koryak @ 9.21
6 58.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.6% Koryak @ 9.24
7 53.2% Ket + 46.8% North_Swedish @ 9.37
8 52.1% Ket + 47.9% South_Polish @ 9.51
9 57.6% Russian_Smolensk + 42.4% Koryak @ 9.56
10 61.3% Shors + 38.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 9.57
11 55.5% Ket + 44.5% North_German @ 9.61
12 62.5% Shors + 37.5% Estonian @ 9.61
13 60.3% Shors + 39.7% Finnish @ 9.62
14 55.5% Ket + 44.5% Swedish @ 9.63
15 53.5% Ket + 46.5% East_German @ 9.64
16 76% Chuvash + 24% Chukchi @ 9.67
17 59% Shors + 41% East_Finnish @ 9.68
18 61.2% Kargopol_Russian + 38.8% Chukchi @ 9.7
19 51.7% Ket + 48.3% Hungarian @ 9.72
20 59% Southwest_Russian + 41% Koryak @ 9.73

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ket +50% South_Polish @ 10.464792

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% East_Finnish +25% Koryak +25% Tadjik @ 7.801254

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Dolgan + MA-1 + Mari + Norwegian @ 6.141133
2 Chuvash + Evens + MA-1 + Norwegian @ 6.215264
3 Chuvash + Evens + MA-1 + Swedish @ 6.274051
4 Dolgan + MA-1 + Mari + Swedish @ 6.347240
5 Chuvash + Dolgan + MA-1 + Norwegian @ 6.357755
6 Evens + MA-1 + Mari + Norwegian @ 6.370473
7 Chuvash + Evenki + MA-1 + Norwegian @ 6.378463
8 Evenki + MA-1 + Mari + Norwegian @ 6.380888
9 Chuvash + Evenki + MA-1 + Swedish @ 6.475254
10 Dolgan + MA-1 + Mari + North_Dutch @ 6.478042
11 Evens + MA-1 + Mari + Swedish @ 6.492449
12 Chuvash + Dolgan + MA-1 + Swedish @ 6.496087
13 Evenki + MA-1 + Mari + Swedish @ 6.537534
14 Danish + Dolgan + MA-1 + Mari @ 6.543015
15 Dolgan + MA-1 + Mari + North_German @ 6.543613
16 Dolgan + Irish + MA-1 + Mari @ 6.592144
17 Chuvash + Evens + MA-1 + North_Swedish @ 6.641275
18 Chuvash + Evens + MA-1 + North_Dutch @ 6.645492
19 Chuvash + Danish + Evens + MA-1 @ 6.650617
20 MA-1 + Norwegian + Selkup + Shors @ 6.660671

[Cumansky]

Largest segment = 7.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.8 cM (0.217 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.4

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

378710 SNPs used for this comparison.

51.052 Pct SNPs are full identical

Comparison took 0.253 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.043 cpu seconds.

[Cumansky]

Who is matching?

[Moje ime]

I didn't change SNP

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 3.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 65.3 cM (1.820 Pct)

40 shared segments found for this comparison.

538756 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.261 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Ayetooey]

DEFAULT SNP.

Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 78.4 cM (2.185 Pct)

[Ford]

Largest segment = 3.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 81.1 cM (2.261 Pct)

47 shared segments found for this comparison.

539197 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.420 Pct SNPs are full identical


Default amount of SNPs, segment lowered to 1cM

[Leto]

Where in modern Russia was it excavated from?

[Lemgrant]

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 3.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 28.3 cM (0.789 Pct)

13 shared segments found for this comparison.

390569 SNPs used for this comparison.

50.851 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Kaspias]

Largest segment = 5.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 84.6 cM (2.358 Pct)

60 shared segments found for this comparison.

539174 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.928 Pct SNPs are full identical

[xripkan]

I have many small shared segments. For minimum segment 1 cM and thresold 200-400 my results are:
Largest segment = 3.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 145.0 cM (4.043 Pct)

96 shared segments found for this comparison.

745526 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.273 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Leto]

Where in modern Russia was it excavated from?
Google search says it's from Khakassia, Central Siberia. I don't think it's a steppe region though
http://www.russianlessons.net/russia/khakassia/russia-khakassia.gif

[Cumansky]

Google search says it's from Khakassia, Central Siberia. I don't think it's a steppe region though
http://www.russianlessons.net/russia/khakassia/russia-khakassia.gif

This person was from Karasuk culture, Eastern Steppe.

"Sample RISE493, archaeological site Sabinka 2, Karasuk Culture, Bronze Age, 1531-1268 BC (*Q-L715);

The haplogroup Q-L712 Y-DNA is extremely rare and its frequency in the FTDNA data base does not exceed 0.007%-0.008%.

The haplogroup Q-L712 Y-DNA (Q1a1b1) is a subclade of the haplogroup Q-M25 Y-DNA (Q1a1b) which belongs to the Q-M242 Y-DNA haplogroup.

Many factors indicate primary Hunnic or Hunnic-Sarmatian origin of this haplogroup and its subclades."

· Balkaria/Digora Group (Q-L712+ Q-L715+ Q-BZ640+ Q-L713-);
· Eurasian Group (Q-L712+ Q-L715+ Q-L713+ Q-YP789+ Q-BZ1000+);
· Szekely (Szekler) Group (Q-L712+ Q-L715+ Q-L713+ Q-YP789+ Q-BZ1000-);
· Turkmen Group (Q-L712+ Q-L715+ Q-YP1677+ Q-YP789-).

In the Q-YP4385 subclade:

· Middle Eastern Group (Q-L712+Q-YP4385+ Q-YP4416+ Q-L715-).

[Cumansky]

Q-L712

Balkaria/Digora Group


It brings together men from the North Caucasus region belonging to the Q-L712 cluster. The majority of them derive their genealogical roots from the historical Balkarian/Digorian aristocracy associated with the dynasty of Badeliats and Basiats. According to the family legends, the ancestors of both dynasties, two real brothers (Badel and Basiat), arrived sometime in the Caucasus as foreigners and thanks to their unique attributes, abilities and skills, interalia knowledge of firearms, were able to subdue the native Digorian people and take authority over them. At the time of Badel and Basiat arrival the indigenous people did not know firearms and gunpowder and fought with bows. In accordance with Digorian tradition, the brothers had come from Hungary or from a town called Majar located in state of the Golden Horde (some versions of the old family legend say about Hungarian and even Hunnic origin). Historians have been involved in an ongoing debate concerning Majar or Hungarian origin of Badeliats and Basiats relating to the aural similarity of the terms "Majar" and "Magyar".

According to the latest state of research, the above referred events took place in the late15th or early 16th century.

The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of the Balkaria/Digora Group lived ca. 500 years ago. This time is consistent with the results of archaeological research related to the beginning of the Badeliats and Basiats dynasty in Digoria.

Compiled on the basis of:

В. А. Кузнецов, Археологические данные о происхождении дигорских Баделят. Edited by: Б. Х. Бгажноков, В. А. Фоменко, Археологияиэтнология Северного Кавказа. Нальчик 2012.


Eurasian Group


Members of this subgroup, conventionally called “Eurasian”, derived their ancestors from different regions of European and Asiatic continents (Ireland, Poland, Russia, Uzbekistan).
The project participants are not ethnically related with the Balkaria/Digora and Székely (Szekler) subcluster. However most of these men are similar to Székely Y-DNA profile.

See also: Niezgoda Y-DNA Project


Székely (Szekler) Group


The next subgroup consists of men from Székely community who belong to the Q-L712 haplogroup and its subclades. The research of Székely genetic genealogy deals with FTDNA Hungarian Bukovina project. Székelys is a Hungarian-speaking ethnic group, living in eastern part of Transylvania and demonstrating unique cultural characteristics, distinguishing it from other European nations. So far the origin of Székelys has remained unknown. Characteristic for Székely people are inter alia specific type of runes, called Old Hungarian Alphabet (Székelyrovásírás) used before the year 1000 AD, unique pillar tombs called Kopjafa and characteristic Székely gates. The origin of the Székely people and their uniqueness remain a mystery even though several hypotheses have been put forward on the subject. The Székelys in their ancient legends claim that they are descendants of the Huns who, after the defeat of the mighty Hunnic king Attila, remained in Europe, changed the name from Huns to Székely and found a secluded place to hide from retribution from the previously conquered nations. Their forefathers descend in a straight line from the mythological prince Csaba, who would have been the son of Attila the Hun. The old Hunnic motifs and themes are still present in the Székely folklore. This fact is especially intriguing in the context of genetic genealogy because more and more evidence leads to the hypothesis of Hunnic origin, or very close relation to the Hunnic origin of the haplogroup Q-M25 and its subclades. Michael Maglio writes: “If I had to pose a theory, I would say that Attila is Q1a2 [Q-M25], part of the royal class of Huns living in Hungary. (...) The combined evidence of DNA, geography and history leads to the conclusion that at the end of the Hunnic Empire, the core East Asian Huns assimilated into the eastern European cultures. They left behind a strong genetic footprint in the same territory that they historically inhabited. The next time I’m asked, What about the Huns? I can point to Europe and say, They’re still there” (full article by M. Maglio).

Due to the aforementioned facts the Székely legends about the Hunnic origin, questioned by some researchers, may invite a slightly different reading.

The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of the Székely (Szekler) subcluster lived most likely about 1700 years ago. For various reasons, this time can be combined with the Hunnic invasion of Europe in 370 AD. High level of differentiation within the Székely (Szekler) subcluster, distant time to the most recent common ancestor and a relatively large concentration of haplogroup within one ethnic group may suggest a kind of center of this rare ancient and mysterious haplotype in Europe.


Turkmen Group


Y-DNA research indicates that among the Turkmens, the haplogroup Q-M25 Y-DNA is characteristic and its frequency is: about 43% in Iran-Golestan and about 34% in Afghanistan. It can be concluded from this that the ancestors of Turkmens (such as the Oguz) also belonged to this rare Y-chromosomal haplogroup.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ydna-q-l-712/about/background

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Y-Full

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L712/

[Cumansky]

MDLP K23b

Kit F999950

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.68
2 East_Siberian 18.45
3 Ancestral_Altaic 14.83
4 South_Central_Asian 9.39
5 Tungus-Altaic 7.9
6 Caucasian 6.87
7 Amerindian 5.13
8 Arctic 4.47
9 European_Early_Farmers 3.89
10 South_Indian 2.53
11 Subsaharian 1.09
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.98
13 Melano_Polynesian 0.43
14 Khoisan 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saami ( ) 11.93
2 Bashkir ( ) 14.33
3 Saami_Finland ( ) 14.75
4 Tatar-Siberian ( ) 15.44
5 Mari ( ) 17.11
6 Udmurd ( ) 19.57
7 Chuvash ( ) 22.26
8 Saami_Kola ( ) 22.28
9 Chuvashs ( ) 22.73
10 Komi ( ) 23.87
11 Yukagir_Forest ( ) 23.9
12 Kazahs ( ) 23.99
13 Uygur-Han ( ) 24.77
14 Hakas ( ) 25.32
15 Even ( ) 25.85
16 Tatar ( ) 26.01
17 Karelian ( ) 26.11
18 Turkmen_Afghan ( ) 26.12
19 Uzbek ( ) 26.34
20 Finn ( ) 26.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% Saami ( ) + 12.5% Kalash ( ) @ 8.37
2 86.7% Saami ( ) + 13.3% Brahui ( ) @ 8.38
3 86.1% Saami ( ) + 13.9% Balochi ( ) @ 8.46
4 85.5% Saami ( ) + 14.5% Makrani ( ) @ 8.57
5 75.9% Saami ( ) + 24.1% Hazara ( ) @ 8.72
6 86% Saami ( ) + 14% Sindhi ( ) @ 8.88
7 83.6% Saami ( ) + 16.4% Burusho ( ) @ 8.92
8 85.2% Saami ( ) + 14.8% Pathan ( ) @ 9.21
9 86.6% Saami ( ) + 13.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 9.23
10 81.8% Saami ( ) + 18.2% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 9.3
11 77.4% Saami ( ) + 22.6% Uygur ( ) @ 9.41
12 87% Saami ( ) + 13% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 9.43
13 87.4% Saami ( ) + 12.6% Pakistani ( ) @ 9.45
14 83.1% Saami ( ) + 16.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 9.47
15 75.2% Saami ( ) + 24.8% Kazahs ( ) @ 9.47
16 84.5% Saami ( ) + 15.5% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 9.5
17 76.2% Saami ( ) + 23.8% Uygur-Han ( ) @ 9.55
18 86.6% Saami ( ) + 13.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) @ 9.55
19 82.2% Saami ( ) + 17.8% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 9.58
20 87% Saami ( ) + 13% Jatt_Muslim ( ) @ 9.59

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Selkup_ +50% Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 10.993857

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bashkir_ +25% Selkup_ +25% Tsimsian_ @ 8.643308

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Aleut_ + Even_ + Mansi_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 6.774191
2 Saami_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ + Tsimsian_ @ 6.852851
3 Aleut_ + Even_ + Mansi_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim_ @ 6.902049
4 Aleut_ + Ket_ + Saami_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 6.985023
5 Aleut_ + Even_ + Mansi_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan_ @ 7.091053
6 Saami_ + Selkup_ + Tsimsian_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 7.177163
7 Saami_ + Selkup_ + Tsimsian_ + Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 7.222397
8 Aleut_ + Saami_ + Selkup_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 7.280727
9 Aleut_ + Saami_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 7.333025
10 Aleut_ + Ket_ + Saami_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 7.376487
11 Mansi_ + Saami_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ + Tsimsian_ @ 7.421788
12 Saami_ + Selkup_ + Tsimsian_ + Uzbek_ @ 7.512220
13 Finn_ + Hakas_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan_ @ 7.517276
14 Saami_Finland_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ + Tsimsian_ @ 7.537496
15 Aleut_ + Hazara_ + Saami_ + Selkup_ @ 7.540351
16 Hakas_ + Karelian_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan_ @ 7.546273
17 Finn_ + Hakas_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 7.557323
18 Saami_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Tsimsian_ @ 7.557801
19 Ket_ + Saami_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ + Tsimsian_ @ 7.576574
20 Aleut_ + Even_ + Selkup_ + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 7.580585

[Cumansky]

Just quick reminder Eurogenes K13 same person from OP, compare that with MDLP K23b values. Significant differences in this Nomad.

Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 28.92
2 Baltic 28.25
3 North_Atlantic 18.11
4 West_Asian 9.28
5 Amerindian 7.47
6 South_Asian 6.73
7 East_Asian 1.24

[Leto]

He has a shitton of "Amerindian"

World9 Admixture Proportions

Population
Amerindian 8.32 Pct
East_Asian 2.33 Pct
African 1.67 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 40.46 Pct
Australasian -
Siberian 29.08 Pct
Caucasus_Gedrosia 14.29 Pct
Southern -
South_Asian 3.84 Pct


A calculator without the Amerindian:

Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

Population
ANE 27.82 Pct
ASE 1.76 Pct
WHG-UHG 37.16 Pct
East_Eurasian 30.24 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.56 Pct
ENF 2.46 Pct

[tipirneni]

Genesis GED

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

Largest segment = 4.3 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 433.5 cM (12.086 Pct)

291 shared segments found for this comparison.

548267 SNPs used for this comparison.