People of Western Ukraine [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Vyacheslav

03-05-2019, 04:29 PM

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Vyacheslav

03-05-2019, 04:43 PM

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Vyacheslav

03-06-2019, 09:38 AM

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Vyacheslav

03-06-2019, 09:41 AM

Many dark-colored types. Some have epicanthus rudiments.

Dominator

03-06-2019, 10:25 AM

Волиняки

Vyacheslav

03-06-2019, 01:06 PM

Волиняки
You are from Ukraine, tell me, are such types closer to Ukrainians, Belarusians or Poles?

Dominator

03-06-2019, 02:30 PM

You are from Ukraine, tell me, are such types closer to Ukrainians, Belarusians or Poles?

these picture look like ordinary Ukrainians ... but some Volyn Ukrainians (Polesye) are pretty close to the Belarusians

Dominator

03-06-2019, 02:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iib4Bmy5cow
Monatik looks like a typical Volyn Ukrainian.

Ülev

03-06-2019, 02:44 PM

Volyn sounds terrible to Polish ears I assume :rolleyes:

Dominator

03-06-2019, 02:50 PM

Volyn sounds terrible to Polish ears I assume :rolleyes:

Come to visit here... xD =))

Ülev

03-06-2019, 02:51 PM

Come to visit here... xD =))

still dangerous
https://outride.rs/en/polish-consulate-in-lutsk-attacked/
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-lutsk-blast-polish-consulate/28397663.html
http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/03/29/polands-consulate-general-attacked-in-lutsk/

Dominator

03-06-2019, 02:53 PM

still dangerous
https://outride.rs/en/polish-consulate-in-lutsk-attacked/
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-lutsk-blast-polish-consulate/28397663.html
http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/03/29/polands-consulate-general-attacked-in-lutsk/

if you are afraid of these Ukrainians ... then chase away their migrant workers

Veles

03-06-2019, 08:11 PM

Волиняки
I'm shocked. What is it? It is the Armenians and Chuvash?

Veles

03-06-2019, 08:19 PM

Compare these people with the Russians?
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Vyacheslav

03-07-2019, 04:51 PM

There are many Pontids among them.

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Roy

03-07-2019, 06:27 PM

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 05:26 AM

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 05:33 AM

These people mostly exhibit Slavic-like stereotypical features but too much more intense effect and more often than in the case of Polish people. Those Slavic faces / features are present too but less so than one believes.

Some exhibit some unexpectedly dark features and look way different but most 80% pass.

DNA research Balanovsky, Belarusians Polesie and Ukrainians are close, but the Poles to no.
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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 05:36 AM

Haplogroups

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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 06:01 AM

Рівне

Similar characters, long faces : №1

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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 06:02 AM

High forehead: No. 2

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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 06:04 AM

Wide face: №3

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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 09:23 AM

Broadface option

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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 09:27 AM

Long-faced option

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Ülev

03-08-2019, 02:23 PM

if you are afraid of these Ukrainians ... then chase away their migrant workers

afraid? no, I think I do like those 'Banderovcy' ---> https://youtu.be/nE3XAxJFzf0?t=529 (8:49-9:08)

Arhat

03-08-2019, 05:27 PM

Haplogroups

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Haplogroups don't show how close two populations are genetically to each other. Only autosomal dna can show that. Ukrainians are very close to Poles, South Russians and South Belarusians. Basically they belong to one genetic cluster.

Veles

03-08-2019, 05:51 PM

Haplogroups don't show how close two populations are genetically to each other. Only autosomal dna can show that. Ukrainians are very close to Poles, South Russians and South Belarusians. Basically they belong to one genetic cluster.
Ukrainians are very different. As different as the southern and Northern Russians. South-Western Ukrainians are close to Moldovans. North-West to the poles. Eastern Ukrainians are close to Belarusians and Central/southern Russians. Eastern Ukrainians and Western Ukrainians are completely different Nations.

Arhat

03-08-2019, 06:06 PM

Ukrainians are very different. As different as the southern and Northern Russians. South-Western Ukrainians are close to Moldovans. North-West to the poles. Eastern Ukrainians are close to Belarusians and Central/southern Russians. Eastern Ukrainians and Western Ukrainians are completely different Nations.

Only Carpathians (Hutzuls,..) cluster with Moldovans but they are quite distinct and have a different ethnogenesis. The difference between East and West Ukrainians is exaggerated. West and Central Ukrainians are just more (south) polish-like and northeast Ukrainians more Belarusian-like . Also most of eastern Ukraine (everything south and east of Poltava/Kharkov) was just recently populated by Slavic settlers from Ukraine (including western Ukraine) and Russia.

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 06:17 PM

Moldovans, Balanovsky laboratory map

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Veles

03-08-2019, 06:19 PM

Only Carpathians (Hutzuls,..) cluster with Moldovans but they are quite distinct and have a different ethnogenesis. The difference between East and West Ukrainians is exaggerated. West and Central Ukrainians are just more (south) polish-like and northeast Ukrainians more Belarusian-like . Also most of eastern Ukraine (everything south and east of Poltava/Kharkov) was just recently populated by Slavic settlers from Ukraine (including western Ukraine) and Russia.
Ukrainian homogeneity is a myth created by the Balanovsky team. Balanovsky has no Ukrainian samples. Amateur samples show that Ukrainians are one of the most heterogeneous Nations.
Example:
https://i.ibb.co/F5XzFQf/1234.jpg (https://ibb.co/482pHbD)

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 06:22 PM

Transcarpathian region

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Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 06:27 PM

Galicians

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cass

03-08-2019, 06:40 PM

DNA research Balanovsky, Belarusians Polesie and Ukrainians are close, but the Poles to no.

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It looks like Protoslavic expansion via Belarus (Zarubinets culture) into Russia.

Veles

03-08-2019, 06:42 PM

I do not see here Slavic faces.

Veles

03-08-2019, 06:50 PM

Arhat

03-08-2019, 06:57 PM

Ukrainian homogeneity is a myth created by the Balanovsky team. Balanovsky has no Ukrainian samples. Amateur samples show that Ukrainians are one of the most heterogeneous Nations.
Example:
https://i.ibb.co/F5XzFQf/1234.jpg (https://ibb.co/482pHbD)

This calculator shows modern genetic drift and the distances look because of that bigger than they are. Also K36 is actually very outdated. Global25 is the most up-to-date calculator for comparing modern ethnic groups. But even this pca very much proves my point. Central and Western Ukrainians are Polish-like here and far from Moldovans. Chernivitsi Ukrainians are from the Carpathians just like i said in my post

Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:00 PM

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Many of them would pass in Russia too. Let be serious pigmentation wise there is not really a big difference between Russians and Ukrainians. Ukrainians just have more dinarid-noses and sharper features shifted more to the balkan. Most Russians and Ukrainians are brown-haired

Veles

03-08-2019, 07:12 PM

Many of them would pass in Russia too. Let be serious pigmentation wise there is not really a big difference between Russians and Ukrainians. Ukrainians just have more dinarid-noses and sharper features shifted more to the balkan. Most Russians and Ukrainians are brown-haired
Yes, these people pass in Russia as Tajiks, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis. We have many such beautiful people in Russia. But these people are not look like ethnic Russians.

Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:20 PM

Yes, these people pass in Russia as Tajiks, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis. We have many such beautiful people in Russia. But these people are not look like ethnic Russians.

North Slavs are darker haired/eyed than Scandinavians and North Germans but genetically they are more "northern" than them. You need to understand that depigmentation mostly came from EEF people of Globular Amphora/Funnel Beakers who were genetically "South European". Early steppe Indo-Europeans were actually dark haired and eyed. Only by mixing with them they became light and "nordic". So actually the Nordic phenotype is the result of mixing with non-Indo-Europeans, who were Basque/Sardinian-like. So light phenotypes don't correlate exactly with "northern ancestry".

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 07:23 PM

Івано-Франківськ-southwest Ukraine

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Aspirin

03-08-2019, 07:26 PM

Yes, these people pass in Russia as Tajiks, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis. We have many such beautiful people in Russia. But these people are not look like ethnic Russians.

You exaggerate, man. Yes in Ukraine, especially in Central, and some Western parts is not very rare to see Turanid influence, but a big majority of Ukrainians looks very Slavic.

Veles

03-08-2019, 07:27 PM

This calculator shows modern genetic drift and the distances look because of that bigger than they are. Also K36 is actually very outdated. Global25 is the most up-to-date calculator for comparing modern ethnic groups. But even this pca very much proves my point. Central and Western Ukrainians are Polish-like here and far from Moldovans. Chernivitsi Ukrainians are from the Carpathians just like i said in my postK36 is not obsolete. And Global25 does not contradict it. All the same. The reference points of Ukrainians are widely spread on the PCA. Why Ukrainians in scientific PCA are United in one point? Because scientists do not have Ukrainian data. To go to Ukraine to study genetics of Ukrainians today as at the time of James Cook to go to Papua New Guinea.

cass

03-08-2019, 07:32 PM

North Slavs are darker haired/eyed than Scandinavians and North Germans but genetically they are more "northern" than them. You need to understand that depigmentation mostly came from EEF people of Globular Amphora/Funnel Beakers who were genetically "South European". Early steppe Indo-Europeans were actually dark haired and eyed. Only by mixing with them they became light and "nordic". So actually the Nordic phenotype is the result of mixing with non-Indo-Europeans, who were Basque/Sardinian-like. So light phenotypes don't correlate exactly with "northern ancestry".

Are you so sure?

In the present study, a multiplexed genotyping assay for ten single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) located within six pigmentation candidate genes was developed on modern biological samples and applied to DNA retrieved from 25 archeological human remains from southern central Siberia dating from the Bronze and Iron Ages. SNP genotyping was successful for the majority of ancient samples and revealed that most probably had typical European pigment features, i.e., blue or green eye color, light hair color and skin type, and were likely of European individual ancestry.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00414-009-0348-5

Veles

03-08-2019, 07:32 PM

You exaggerate, man. Yes in Ukraine, especially in Central, and some Western parts is not very rare to see Turanid influence, but a big majority of Ukrainians looks very Slavic.
I don't know what the original Slavs looked like. You know? My opinion is that the native Slavs looked like Northern Russian Ilmen type. The opinion of the Slovaks or Slovenes that the original Slavs looked like them. Pole opinion that the original Slavs look like poles. Slavs look differently.

Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:35 PM

Are you so sure?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00414-009-0348-5

They are from the Andronovo culture which had EEF/GAC-admixture.

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 07:38 PM

Girls from Ivano-Frankivsk

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Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:39 PM

I don't know what the original Slavs looked like. You know? My opinion is that the native Slavs looked like Northern Russian Ilmen type. The opinion of the Slovaks or Slovenes that the original Slavs looked like them. Pole opinion that the original Slavs look like poles. Slavs look differently.

Northern Russians are very much mixed with Uralic people. Some in Archangelsk are probably less than 50% Slavic. Proto-Slavs were closest to East Poles, Belarusians and North Ukrainians ( Pripyat region). They were basically a mix of a Baltic-like population (rich in R1a) with a Central Euro/East Germanic population rich in I2 and probably more EEF-shifted.

Vyacheslav

03-08-2019, 07:42 PM

Strange, many girls remind Armenian women or some other from the Caucasus or Iran

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Veles

03-08-2019, 07:45 PM

North Slavs are darker haired/eyed than Scandinavians and North Germans but genetically they are more "northern" than them. You need to understand that depigmentation mostly came from EEF people of Globular Amphora/Funnel Beakers who were genetically "South European". Early steppe Indo-Europeans were actually dark haired and eyed. Only by mixing with them they became light and "nordic". So actually the Nordic phenotype is the result of mixing with non-Indo-Europeans, who were Basque/Sardinian-like. So light phenotypes don't correlate exactly with "northern ancestry".
The highest percentage of EEF accounts for South Europeans with dark pigmentation. Swedes and Northern Germans have an average EEF percentage. By the way, the Finns are the brightest people in Europe. Finns are lighter than Swedes and lighter than Norwegians. The lowest percentage of EEF have Finns and the Baltic States, the lightest of the peoples of Europe. Conclusion-phenotypes of modern peoples were formed after the penetration of EEF and EHG in Europe.

Roy

03-08-2019, 07:45 PM

You exaggerate, man. Yes in Ukraine, especially in Central, and some Western parts is not very rare to see Turanid influence, but a big majority of Ukrainians looks very Slavic.

I've never met any Turanid Ukrainian myself.

Aspirin

03-08-2019, 07:47 PM

I don't know what the original Slavs looked like. You know? My opinion is that the native Slavs looked like Northern Russian Ilmen type. The opinion of the Slovaks or Slovenes that the original Slavs looked like them. Pole opinion that the original Slavs look like poles. Slavs look differently.

I think people from Eastern Poland, North-West Ukraine (Volyn), Belarus, and people from Western Russia (Pskov, Novgorod, Smolensk and Tver) are the closest to the original Slavic look. The polish user Pioter (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?20727-Pioter) I think is a good example of original Slavic look.

Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:51 PM

The highest percentage of EEF accounts for South Europeans with dark pigmentation. Swedes and Northern Germans have an average EEF percentage. By the way, the Finns are the easiest people in Europe. Finns easier easier Swedes and Norwegians. The lowest percentage of EEF have Finns and the Baltic States, the lightest of the peoples of Europe. Conclusion-phenotypes of modern peoples were formed after the penetration of EEF and EHG in Europe.

Finns are darker than Swedes by far. Balts are also darker than Swedes. Yeah the high rate of very light phenotypes among Scandinavians is probably caused by genetic drift and selection. The same happened with red hair in Britain which became quite frequent among them compared to other Indo-Europeans. Not all EEFs were depigmented and i am talking about late Central Euro EEFs which played a very important role in the ethnogenesis of Corded Ware and Bell Beakers. Much of the Globular Amphora mtdna is today present among all North Europeans and even Russians derive most of their mtdna from them but South Europeans have other kind of non-depigmented EEF ancestry and also got additional non-depigmented West Asian ancestry during the Iron Age which North Europeans lack.

Aspirin

03-08-2019, 07:54 PM

I've never met any Turanid Ukrainian myself.

Can be seen in Galicia, and some Central and South parts of Ukraine.

cass

03-08-2019, 07:55 PM

They are from the Andronovo culture which had EEF/GAC-admixture.

Our autosomal, Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA analyses reveal that whereas few specimens seem to be related matrilineally or patrilineally, nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R1a1-M17 which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans. Our results also confirm that at the Bronze and Iron Ages, south Siberia was a region of overwhelmingly predominant European settlement, suggesting an eastward migration of Kurgan people across the Russo-Kazakh steppe. Finally, our data indicate that at the Bronze and Iron Age timeframe, south Siberians were blue (or green)-eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people and that they might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. To the best of our knowledge, no equivalent molecular analysis has been undertaken so far.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00439-009-0683-0

Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:57 PM

I've never met any Turanid Ukrainian myself.

This Swarthy Ukrainian rather look Vlach-like and maybe are mixed with them. There is not really turkic admixture in West Ukraine and surely not in the Carpathians were most swarthy Ukrainians are from. Actually East Ukrainians have some "eastern " ancestry but these could be from Uralics or Scythians

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 07:58 PM

Does this guy pass for a Bandera?

Arhat

03-08-2019, 07:59 PM

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00439-009-0683-0

And what is the point here? Andronovo was from Sintashta and Sintashta was from Corded Ware which mixed with EEF people in Central Europe around Poland and Ukraine. Already the earliest R1a-Z93 in Sredny Stog had a lot of EEF-admixture

Veles

03-08-2019, 08:01 PM

Northern Russians are very much mixed with Uralic people. Some in Archangelsk are probably less than 50% Slavic. Proto-Slavs were closest to East Poles, Belarusians and North Ukrainians ( Pripyat region). They were basically a mix of a Baltic-like population (rich in R1a) with a Central Euro/East Germanic population rich in I2 and probably more EEF-shifted.
It is your imagination. Modern East Slavic peoples are equally distant from the original Slavs. Poles have a significant Balkan and German admixture. Belarusians have a large Baltic admixture and Balkan as well. North Russian have Urals admixture, but that doesn't make them any less Slavic than the poles. Or are you a racist. Do you think that the Ural admixture makes Slavic people are less Slavic than Germanic admixture or Balkan? Moreover, the percentage of Ural admixture in Russians is greatly exaggerated. 50% of Finno-Ugric people have only Pomors. Why do you call this admixture Ural? North Russians don't look like Khanty and Mansi. Northern Russians look like Karelians, Estonians and Balts. Their race is called the white Belomoro-Baltic.

cass

03-08-2019, 08:04 PM

And what is the point here? Andronovo was from Sintashta and Sintashta was from Corded Ware which mixed with EEF people in Central Europe around Poland and Ukraine. Already the earliest R1a-Z93 in Sredny Stog had a lot of EEF-admixture

i was referring to

...You need to understand that depigmentation mostly came from EEF people of Globular Amphora/Funnel Beakers who were genetically "South European". Early steppe Indo-Europeans were actually dark haired and eyed. Only by mixing with them they became light and "nordic". So actually the Nordic phenotype is the result of mixing with non-Indo-Europeans, who were Basque/Sardinian-like. So light phenotypes don't correlate exactly with "northern ancestry".

Arhat

03-08-2019, 08:08 PM

It is your imagination. Modern East Slavic peoples are equally distant from the original Slavs. Poles have a significant Balkan and German admixture. Belarusians have a large Baltic admixture and Balkan as well. North have Russian Urals admixture, but that doesn't make them any less Slavic than the poles. Or you racist and one is that Ural admixture from Slavic people makes less Slavs than German or Balkan? Moreover, the percentage of Ural admixture in Russians is greatly exaggerated. 50% of Finno-Ugric people have only Pomors. Why do you call this admixture Ural? After North Russians don't look like Khanty and Mansi. Northern Russians look like Karelians, Estonians and Balts. Their race is called the white Belomoro-Baltic.

North Russians have a lot of Baltic_BA-like ancestry so they look closer to stereotypical Slavs than maybe Serbs but actually Serbs have probably as much or even more Slavic-ancestry. Much of the Baltic_BA like ancestry in North Russia predates Slavs and many areas in North Russia were later settled by Slavs than North Greece.

Yes North Russians look like Karelians or Vepsians because they habe a lot of Baltic-Finnic ancestry. I don't really see a big problem with that. But most Russians are anyways from Central Russia were Slavic ancestry is very high and Slavic migration was massive. These North Russians are rather outliners compared to other Russians.

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:14 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:16 PM

I think people from Eastern Poland, North-West Ukraine (Volyn), Belarus, and people from Western Russia (Pskov, Novgorod, Smolensk and Tver) are the closest to the original Slavic look. The polish user Pioter (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?20727-Pioter) I think is a good example of original Slavic look.

Pioter is most Slavic looking person on this forum, I already told him that. Good to see you share similar opinion bro.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:19 PM

Your mother a whore..

You sure do come from Vlach sperm, it's visible in your behavuiour.

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:19 PM

Pioter is most Slavic looking person on this forum, I already told him that. Good to see you share similar opinion bro.

Slavs are light pigment

Pioter is some intermediate

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:19 PM

Slavs are light pigment

Pioter is some intermediate

No Slavs were never blond. He's light brown

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:19 PM

You sure do come from Vlach sperm, it's visible in your behavuiour.

Lol

Maks Luburic

03-08-2019, 08:23 PM

Pioter is most Slavic looking person on this forum, I already told him that. Good to see you share similar opinion bro.

Jepp. Totaly agree, was also my first thought about him. He is for sure the prototype-Slav.

Veles

03-08-2019, 08:25 PM

Finns are darker than Swedes by far. Balts are also darker than Swedes. Yeah the high rate of very light phenotypes among Scandinavians is probably caused by genetic drift and selection. The same happened with red hair in Britain which became quite frequent among them compared to other Indo-Europeans. Not all EEFs were depigmented and i am talking about late Central Euro EEFs which played a very important role in the ethnogenesis of Corded Ware and Bell Beakers. Much of the Globular Amphora mtdna is today present among all North Europeans and even Russians derive most of their mtdna from them but South Europeans have other kind of non-depigmented EEF ancestry and also got additional non-depigmented West Asian ancestry during the Iron Age which North Europeans lack.
OK. I don't know who's darker, Finns or Swedes. It's stupid to find out, right? However, note that the Finns and the Balts have almost no EEF, the Swedes along with EEF have a lot of EHG. Meanwhile, the Finns and the Balts are very bright. Those peoples who are dominated by the EEF (Romanians, balkanites, Greeks, Italians) - these people have a dark pigmentation. I think light pigmentation of Northern Germans is associated with genetic drift on the basis of the EHG. EEF had nothing to do with it. If EEF was originally a carrier of light pigmentation, then all southern Europeans were blond, and Finns and Balts had black hair, since they do not have EEF.

Maks Luburic

03-08-2019, 08:26 PM

Slavs are light pigment

Pioter is some intermediate

Blonde hair comes usually from Germanic/Baltic-admixture. Old Slavs were usually light brown haired, as far as I know.

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:27 PM

No Slavs were never blond. He's light brown

Slavs are blonde not even exactly blonde closer to gold

Especially during early life, as we grow we get dark pigmented and start to resemble our non Slavic ancestors

My father was born with gold hair I seen photos, in adult life he is black hair. Moje Ime said he look Gypsy, and then she corrected and said he look Vlach

Slavic Italian

03-08-2019, 08:28 PM

I'm glad I look Italian.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:29 PM

Slavs are blonde not even exactly blonde closer to gold

Especially during early life, as we grow we get dark pigmented and start to resemble our non Slavic ancestors

My father was born with Gold hair I seen photos, in adult life he is black hair. Moje Ime said he look Gypsy, and then she corrected and said he look Vlach

All kids in Europe are blond.

Ford

03-08-2019, 08:30 PM

All kids in Europe are blond.

Not this Vlach boi

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:31 PM

Not this Vlach boi

Interestingly I was red haired as kid, now almost black lmao

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:32 PM

Blonde hair comes usually from Germanic/Baltic-admixture. Old Slavs were usually light brown haired, as far as I know.

Finnic admixture present in Slavs all the way down to Albania, Greece

The real Poles aren't Germanics it barely exist in us, Croats heavy Germanics

Maks Luburic

03-08-2019, 08:33 PM

I'm glad I look Italian.

I am Slavic and still managed it to look Italian xD. At least it´s what the most people are guessing me.

I woudn´t be suprised if I score significantely in Italy. One of my fellow students who is (as far as he know) fully Hercegovinian scored almost 40% at middle Italy.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:34 PM

Finnic admixture present in Slavs all the way down to Albania, Greece

The real Poles aren't Germanics it barely exist in us, Croats heavy Germanics

Western Poles are much more Germanic than any Croats are.

Ford

03-08-2019, 08:34 PM

Interestingly I was red haired as kid, now almost black lmao

I'm dark like my mother but my father and brother were extremely blond as kids. Brother is still kinda dark blond. My hair color has pretty much stayed the same (regular brown, maybe on the slightly lighter side).

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:34 PM

I'm glad I look Italian.

They saying I look Italian on this website, I don't agree. And I hope I don't lol

Ford

03-08-2019, 08:36 PM

I am Slavic and still managed it to look Italian xD. At least it´s what the most people are guessing me.

I woudn´t be suprised if I score significantely in Italy. One of my fellow students who is (as far as he know) fully Hercegovinian scored almost 40% at middle Italy.

Let me put it like this, if you saw my DNA results and compared them to my looks, you would never guess they belong to me.

Arhat

03-08-2019, 08:36 PM

OK. I don't know who's darker, Finns or Swedes. It's stupid to find out, right? However, note that the Finns and the Balts have almost no EEF, the Swedes along with EEF have a lot of EHG. Meanwhile, the Finns and the Balts are very bright. Those peoples who are dominated by the EEF (Romanians, balkanites, Greeks, Italians) - these people have a dark pigmentation. I think light pigmentation of Northern Germans is associated with genetic drift on the basis of the EHG. EEF had nothing to do with it. If EEF was originally a carrier of light pigmentation, then all southern Europeans were blond, and Finns and Balts had black hair, since they do not have EEF.

They actually have a lot of EEF. Finns and Balts have around 25-30% EEF and probably around 35-40% Globular Amphora admixture because Globular Amphora had also some WHG admixture (around 30%)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LPWAEC3dbAEDu8aBAAcxIOa5CQjuflt0f0cvhCpZ_ME/edit#gid=1497568895

Here is the predicted skin, hair, and eye color for ancient and modern genomes.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/
Almost all Globular Amphora people were blond

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:37 PM

I'm dark like my mother but my father and brother were extremely blond as kids. Brother is still kinda dark blond. My hair color has pretty much stayed the same (regular brown, maybe on the slightly lighter side).

My mother is brunette with blue eyes and type 1 skintone, father is swarthy as fuck apart from his blue eyes.

He worked in Sub-Saharan Africa for like a year and came back not much lighter skinned than mullatoes.
in evening you could only see his white shirt and white teeth glowing in the dark xD

Maks Luburic

03-08-2019, 08:38 PM

Finnic admixture present in Slavs all the way down to Albania, Greece

The real Poles aren't Germanics it barely exist in us, Croats heavy Germanics

You're exaggerating. There is obviously Germanic influence in North Croatia/Slavionia but it is not as much as you are picturing it.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-08-2019, 08:38 PM

They saying I look Italian on this website, I don't agree. And I hope I don't lol

Italians look better than Slavs tbh, but Slav women look better than Italian do.

Dušan

03-08-2019, 08:40 PM

Good looking women and men in Ukraine.

Veles

03-08-2019, 08:41 PM

North Russians have a lot of Baltic_BA-like ancestry so they look closer to stereotypical Slavs than maybe Serbs but actually Serbs have probably as much or even more Slavic-ancestry. Much of the Baltic_BA like ancestry in North Russia predates Slavs and many areas in North Russia were later settled by Slavs than North Greece.

Yes North Russians look like Karelians or Vepsians because they habe a lot of Baltic-Finnic ancestry. I don't really see a big problem with that. But most Russians are anyways from Central Russia were Slavic ancestry is very high and Slavic migration was massive. These North Russians are rather outliners compared to other Russians.
Use your head. Contrast Finnish admixture takes Russian North far from other Slavs on PCA. CONTRAST FINNISH ADMIXTURE. CONTRAST FINNISH ADMIXTURE. Remember? If one Slav mixed with German 50: 50, and the other Slav mixed with Finn 75: 25, then on a raft PCA Slav mixed with German will be closer to other Slavs than Slav mixed with Finn. Do you understand? 2) the Slavs were spread on the rivers, not the mountains. The more mountainous the obstacles, the more densely populated the area the less Slavic genes were left by the Slavs. Therefore, the Balkan Slavs can not have more Slavic genes than the Northern Russians, who moved to Novgorod on the river, without encountering any obstacles on their way.

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:43 PM

You're exaggerating. There is obviously Germanic influence in North Croatia/Slavionia but it is not as much as you are picturing it.

(Pole West) @ 1.9248

BALTO-SLAVIC 44
REDNECK-EURO 20
SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN 18.6
ALTAI-STEPPE 8.4
ILLYRIAN 5
IBERIA-BEAKER 2.4
CAUCASUS-LEVANT-ABYSSINIA 0.8
MAGHREBI 0.8

Croatian 198 @ 1.9458

SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN 30
BALTO-SLAVIC 27.6
REDNECK-EURO 19.8
ILLYRIAN 10.8
CAUCASUS-LEVANT-ABYSSINIA 4.2
MAGHREBI 4.2
ALTAI-STEPPE 3.4

(Croatian)

BALTO-SLAVIC 32
SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN 20.8
ALTAI-STEPPE 15.8
REDNECK-EURO 15
ILLYRIAN 13
CAUCAUS-LEVANT-ABYSSINIA 3.4

Mr.G

03-08-2019, 08:45 PM

Let me put it like this, if you saw my DNA results and compared them to my looks, you would never guess they belong to me.

Man, at this point I cannot picture you looking like anything other than Harrison Ford. If you did, I would be disappointed.

Cumansky

03-08-2019, 08:47 PM

Italians look better than Slavs tbh, but Slav women look better than Italian do.

My sister fiance Sicilian, trust me they are not alpha males compared to Vlachs

Arhat

03-08-2019, 08:48 PM

Use your head. Contrast Finnish admixture takes Russian North far from other Slavs on PCA. CONTRAST FINNISH ADMIXTURE. CONTRAST FINNISH ADMIXTURE. Remember? If one Slav mixed with German 50: 50, and the other Slav mixed with Finn 75: 25, then on a raft PCA Slav mixed with German will be closer to other Slavs than Slav mixed with Finn. Do you understand? 2) the Slavs were spread on the rivers, not the mountains. The more mountainous the obstacles, the more densely populated the area the less Slavic genes were left by the Slavs. Therefore, the Balkan Slavs can not have more Slavic genes than the Northern Russians, who moved to Novgorod on the river, without encountering any obstacles on their way.

What is so bad about being mixed with Finns-Ugrians? Actually i am disappointed about having most of my Russian ancestry from the southwest were people are Belarusian/North Ukrainian-like and just Balto-Slavs with a very slight eastern touch(Uralic, Scythian?). Anyways you are right about Novgorod and Northwest Russia were Slavic settlers arrived early and Slavs migration was massive. But anything more in the north-east is already very mixed with Finns-Ugrians and probably has less Proto-Slavic admixture than the northern Balkan.

Slavic Italian

03-08-2019, 08:49 PM

Veles

03-08-2019, 09:02 PM

They actually have a lot of EEF. Finns and Balts have around 25-30% EEF and probably around 35-40% Globular Amphora admixture because Globular Amphora had also some WHG admixture (around 30%)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LPWAEC3dbAEDu8aBAAcxIOa5CQjuflt0f0cvhCpZ_ME/edit#gid=1497568895

Here is the predicted skin, hair, and eye color for ancient and modern genomes.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/
Almost all Globular Amphora people were blond
Here everything is clear without unnecessary demagoguery about amphorae. EHG increases from South-West to North-East. Light pigmentation increases from South-West to North-East. Northern Germans-gene drift.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16255-G25-calculator-of-ancient-basic-components-(for-fun)/page11

---Southern Europeans-------------------

Spanish_Andalucia
EEF,58.6
EHG,19

Greek
EEF,56.6
EHG,20

Serbian
EEF,54.4
EHG,30.8

Romanian
EEF,54.4
EHG,28.6

Bosnian
EEF,50.4
EHG,32.8

Hungarian
EEF,48
EHG,36

---Slavic--------------------

Slovakian
EEF,44.4
EHG,39.2

Polish
EEF,41.4
EHG,39.8

---Balto-Slavic-------------------------------
Belarusian
EHG,43
EEF,38.6

Lithuanian
EHG,43.6
EEF,36.2

AlexRus
EHG,44
EEF,36.6

Russian_Tver
EHG,46
EEF,36.2

Latvian
EHG,46.4
EEF,32.2

---Finnic-------------------------

Estonian
EHG,47.6
EEF,35.2

Finnish
EHG,50
EEF,35.2

Karelian
EHG,50.2
EEF,31.4

---Ural-------------------------

Mansi
EEF,12.6
EHG,8.8

Khanty
EEF,10.4
EHG,0.2
-------------------------------------

Roy

03-08-2019, 09:02 PM

i was referring to

I think that people explaining some pigmentation details with some specific ancient populations mixing exaggerate. For all we know some populations only started getting lighter duirng the previous millennia by virtue of sexual selection. AFAIK we still lack some thorough data on what for example Sintashta culture people pigmentation was like. There are though significant hints for me that they are responsible for a significant bulk of ancestry of later, identified as Slavic people.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-mystery-of-sintashta-people.html

Arhat

03-08-2019, 09:06 PM

Here everything is clear without unnecessary demagoguery about amphorae. Here everything is clear without unnecessary demagoguery about amphorae. EHG increases from South-West to North-East. Light pigmentation increases from South-West to North-East. Northern Germans-gene drift.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16255-G25-calculator-of-ancient-basic-components-(for-fun)/page11

---Southern Europeans-------------------

Spanish_Andalucia
EEF,58.6
EHG,19

Greek
EEF,56.6
EHG,20

Serbian
EEF,54.4
EHG,30.8

Romanian
EEF,54.4
EHG,28.6

Bosnian
EEF,50.4
EHG,32.8

Hungarian
EEF,48
EHG,36

---Slavic--------------------

Slovakian
EEF,44.4
EHG,39.2

Polish
EEF,41.4
EHG,39.8

---Balto-Slavic-------------------------------
Belarusian
EHG,43
EEF,38.6

Lithuanian
EHG,43.6
EEF,36.2

AlexRus
EHG,44
EEF,36.6

Russian_Tver
EHG,46
EEF,36.2

Latvian
EHG,46.4
EEF,32.2

---Finnic-------------------------

Estonian
EHG,47.6
EEF,35.2

Finnish
EHG,50
EEF,35.2

Karelian
EHG,50.2
EEF,31.4

---Ural-------------------------

Mansi
EEF,12.6
EHG,8.8

Khanty
EEF,10.4
EHG,0.2
-------------------------------------

EHG was also dark pigmented just like early EHG-rich Corded Ware and Yamnaya. So i don't get your point. Hitler talked a lot of shit so don't take all this nordic= aryan stuff serious. Yes Late Indo-Europeans were light pigmented but ironically they got it from their depigmented "wog" ancestors.

Veles

03-08-2019, 09:21 PM

What is so bad about being mixed with Finns-Ugrians? Actually i am disappointed about having most of my Russian ancestry from the southwest were people are Belarusian/North Ukrainian-like and just Balto-Slavs with a very slight eastern touch(Uralic, Scythian?). Anyways you are right about Novgorod and Northwest Russia were Slavic settlers arrived early and Slavs migration was massive. But anything more in the north-east is already very mixed with Finns-Ugrians and probably has less Proto-Slavic admixture than the northern Balkan.
There's nothing wrong with mixing with the Finno-Ugrians. For you mixing with Finns makes the Northern Russian non-Slavs, and a mixture of poles with the Germans, or Celts, or a mixture of Ukrainians with the Balkans does not make them less Slavs. It's either stupid or racist. Finns are no worse than Germans or Balkans. Why don't you understand that? They are more contrast in autosomes and therefore any even small Finnish impurity will distance Northern Russians from other Slavs having less contrast European admixture. You write that you are Russian, but Belarusians and Ukrainians today do not consider themselves Russian :)

Veles

03-08-2019, 09:26 PM

EHG was also dark pigmented just like early EHG-rich Corded Ware and Yamnaya. So i don't get your point. Hitler talked a lot of shit so don't take all this nordic= aryan stuff serious. Yes Late Indo-Europeans were light pigmented but ironically they got it from their depigmented "wog" ancestors.
You don't understand my point of view because you're looking the other way and trying to Troll the Finns and the Russians. You started to talk about the pigmentation of the EEF. I initially said that pigmentation is the result of late race education. It could appear in Europeans living in the North, regardless of the percentage of EEF and EHG. The fact is known. Today, the peoples who have dominated EHG have a lighter pigmentation than the peoples who have dominated EEF. Suck it up.

cass

03-08-2019, 09:27 PM

I think that people explaining some pigmentation details with some specific ancient populations mixing exaggerate. For all we know some populations only started getting lighter duirng the previous millennia by virtue of sexual selection. AFAIK we still lack some thorough data on what for example Sintashta culture people pigmentation was like. There are though significant hints for me that they are responsible for a significant bulk of ancestry of later, identified as Slavic people.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-mystery-of-sintashta-people.html

So far I would rather trust that bronze age R1a1-M17 were already depigmented.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00439-009-0683-0
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00414-009-0348-5

Satem

03-09-2019, 04:50 PM

Pioter is most Slavic looking person on this forum
There wasn't me just one day on the forum and the next day I find this. I'm sure there are much more Slavic looking members than me

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

03-09-2019, 05:28 PM

There wasn't me just one day on the forum and the next day I find this. I'm sure there are much more Slavic looking members than me

NO WAY

YOU LOOK SLAVIC (PROTO-SLAVIC) AS FUCK

Dušan

03-09-2019, 05:32 PM

I agree, you look very Slavic, indeed.

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 05:54 PM

Тернопіль

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 05:58 PM

In my opinion, such a broad-faced character is typical of central and eastern Ukraine.

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 05:59 PM

Such for Western Ukraine

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simple user

03-10-2019, 05:59 AM

I'm glad I look Italian.

Do you look like this typical Italian?
https://frazy.su/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/adriano-celentano-111.jpg

Vyacheslav

03-10-2019, 08:42 PM

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Vyacheslav

03-12-2019, 05:14 PM

Lviv.

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