Guys, if the Balkans was never invaded by Slavs, nowadays Balkanite people would be genetically

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Italian?

I always tought that Balkan people before slavic invasions was basically Italians gentically, it's that true? :confused:

[ixulescu]

Italian?

I always tought that Balkan people before slavic invasions was basically Italians gentically, it's that true? :confused:

No, they were either Greek, Daco/Thracian or Illyrian.

All these groups got some degree of Italic admixture, probably at about 10-15%, before the arrival of Slavs.

[Ryuk]

If the Slavs had not migrated to the Balkans, the Balkans would have been genetically similar to the Albanians.

[ixulescu]

If the Slavs had not migrated to the Balkans, the Balkans would have been genetically similar to the Albanians.

part of it, not all of it.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

No, they were either Greek, Daco/Thracian or Illyrian.

but Illyrians and Greeks was very similar to Italians tribes at that period

[AphroditeWorshiper]

If the Slavs had not migrated to the Balkans, the Balkans would have been genetically similar to the Albanians.

Albanians are almost like South/Central Italian genetically

[ixulescu]

but Illyrians and Greeks was very similar to Italians tribes at that period

There was some broad Med similarity, but they were not the same.

[Cumansky]

Sardinians.

[Kaspias]

Sardinians.

+1. Fixed

[Arhat]

If the Slavs had not migrated to the Balkans, the Balkans would have been genetically similar to the Albanians.

Albanians are also 30% Slavic genetically.

[Moje ime]

Vlachs.

[Papastratosels26]

Greeks, Illyrians, Dacians, Thracians.

Its just a speculation.

[Arhat]

Almost everyone in the balkan has Slavic ancestry. The purest pre-Slavic people would be Greek Islanders and South Greeks but even they show slavic ancestry to some extent.

[Janislav]

Well, the amount of ENF would be higher, so saying it would be genetically closer to South Italians is not dumb.
We can take Albania, Serbia and Romania as orientations, but as mentioned they got SLAVED aswell

[Cumansky]

Albanians are also 30% Slavic genetically.

If you tell Albanian to face he 30% Slavic I want to see what will happen..

They are not though 30% Balto Slavic, you have a lot difficulty understanding statistics I noticed

Albanian @ 3.7698

ILLYRIAN 38.6
CAUCASUS-LEVANT-ABYSSINIA 23.6
SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN 23.2
ALTAI-STEPPE 11.2
BALTO-SLAVIC 3.6

[Arhat]

If you tell Albanian to face he 30% Slavic I want to see what will happen..

They are not though 30% Balto Slavic, you have a lot difficulty understanding statistics I noticed

Albanian @ 3.7698

ILLYRIAN 38.6
CAUCASUS-LEVANT-ABYSSINIA 23.6
SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN 23.2
ALTAI-STEPPE 11.2
BALTO-SLAVIC 3.6

Scythian_Thracian in this calculator is including some Slavic-like ancestry because they were Balkan_IA-like people mixed with Sintashta-derived Scythians. But such kind of people surely did not exist in Albania prior to Slavs.

I get for Albanians using the global25 nmonte runner

Sample Details Fit Map Avar Hungary Szolad Italy Medieval Collegno O1 Italy Medieval Collegno O2 Minoan Lasithi
1 Albanian:Average 1.3041 Open Map 39.17 32.5 3.33 25

[Dick]

Depends. There were already a few different tribes in the vicinity. Maybe the lombards would’ve settled there, they were already in pannonia, if it wasn’t for the Huns pushing them west into present day Italy. Also the avars were already there. Serbs/Croats defeated them and some fled to the Adriatic islands. There is East Asian ydna and mtdna on the island of Hvar

[TheMaestro]

Albanians are also 30% Slavic genetically.

Not really true, most of Albanians I know marry just with Albanians, like 97%

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not really true, most of Albanians I know marry just with Albanians, like 97%

http://www.kroraina.com/seli_sna/selish_slavicnames2.gif

[Ford]

Greeks and various Latin speaking tribes for the most part. I also think some more native Balkan languages would survive. Probably some Avar presence too. Basically much more linguistically diverse.

[Thracian]

Sarakachanis

[TheMaestro]

http://www.kroraina.com/seli_sna/selish_slavicnames2.gif

?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

?

List of Slavic toponyms in Albania.

[TheMaestro]

List of Slavic toponyms in Albania.

It's normal for every place in the world when you're being invaded etc. Same goes with Ottoman inf. etc, even Kosovo was part of Bulgarian empire etc.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

It's normal for every place in the world when you're being invaded etc. Same goes with Ottoman inf. etc, even Kosovo was part of Bulgarian empire etc.

I agree. But Albanians aren't 100% unchanged from antiquity.

[TheMaestro]

I agree. But Albanians aren't 100% unchanged from antiquity.

Ofcourse not it's impossible, but if you compare to other countries their genetics have changed that much, especially last 100-200 years marriages between other ethnicities were taboo in most cases.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ofcourse not it's impossible, but if you compare to other countries their genetics have changed that much, especially last 100-200 years marriages between other ethnicities were taboo in most cases.

True.

[Arhat]

http://www.kroraina.com/seli_sna/selish_slavicnames2.gif

Albanians also have around 15-20% R1a+I2a-Din. Just because they are tribal they are not automatically unmixed and "pure". Neighbours in pre-modern times often mixed if they had the same religion and social class. Especially if the foreigners were rich or powerful. Also Slavic expansion was brutal and rapid.

[Arhat]

Ofcourse not it's impossible, but if you compare to other countries their genetics have changed that much, especially last 100-200 years marriages between other ethnicities were taboo in most cases.

You are talking about the modern/industrial-age when these national identities became dominant. Prior to that people identified with Clans or more decentralised concepts so if they allied themselves with Clans or families of other ethnic origin they mixed if they shared the same religion and social class.

[Cumansky]

Scythian_Thracian in this calculator is including some Slavic-like ancestry because they were Balkan_IA-like people mixed with Sintashta-derived Scythians. But such kind of people surely did not exist in Albania prior to Slavs.

I get for Albanians using the global25 nmonte runner

Sample Details Fit Map Avar Hungary Szolad Italy Medieval Collegno O1 Italy Medieval Collegno O2 Minoan Lasithi
1 Albanian:Average 1.3041 Open Map 39.17 32.5 3.33 25

SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN is not Slavic. Steppe + Paleo European

Balto Slavs originated around Baltic Coast and stay local. They were not always nomadic but Scythian were horsemen, Scythian Thracian alliance formed the Slavic Balkans elite

[Arhat]

SCYTHIAN-THRACIAN is not Slavic. Steppe + Paleo European

Balto Slavs originated around Baltic Coast and stay local. They were not always nomadic but Scythian were horsemen, Scythian Thracian alliance formed the Slavic Balkans elite

Why should a population similar to Scythians in Moldavia or Ukraine exist in Albania ? Scythians also did not migrated to Albania so your fit makes no sense. On the other side Slavic migrations, toponyms and Y-DNA is well documented in this area

[Cumansky]

Why should a population similar to Scythians in Moldavia or Ukraine exist in Albania ? Scythians also did not migrated to Albania so your fit makes no sense. On the other side Slavic migrations, toponyms and Y-DNA is well documented in this area

Scythian and Avar is just synonym for same peoples in different eras

Scythian Ukraine= Avar Thracian Slav

[Cumansky]

Why should a population similar to Scythians in Moldavia or Ukraine exist in Albania ? Scythians also did not migrated to Albania so your fit makes no sense. On the other side Slavic migrations, toponyms and Y-DNA is well documented in this area

For example we have old Slavonic name, my father is Vlach as far as our history is recorded

These people always used Slavic toponyms, I am speaking to you in English now, am I English? No

[FinalFlash]

"Slavic". I'm pretty sure you guys mean Yamnaya.

[Cumansky]

Why should a population similar to Scythians in Moldavia or Ukraine exist in Albania ? Scythians also did not migrated to Albania so your fit makes no sense. On the other side Slavic migrations, toponyms and Y-DNA is well documented in this area

Cause there is a genetic continity in our region

Ask Serbs why they get 60-70% Ukrainian Lviv..

[Cumansky]

"Slavic". I'm pretty sure you guys mean Yamnaya.

Yamnaya and their likely descendants

Yamnaya are not pure Balto Slavic population, as this fool idiot Russian is claiming

[Coolguy1]

[1] "distance%=1.5411"

Albanian

Peloponnese_N,53.2
Ukrainian,28
Yamnaya_Samara,18.8

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

Germanic+greek+albanian