People of Northwest Russia [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:57 AM

In the topic about the appearance of Ukrainians, a dispute began about how the real Slavs look like, one of the theories expressed that Slavs of Ilmen are, let's look at the appearance of the modern population of Velikiy Novogorod

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 08:00 AM

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 08:04 AM

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Arhat

03-09-2019, 08:08 AM

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 08:17 AM

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 08:18 AM

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Mingle

03-09-2019, 08:29 AM

Dna8

03-09-2019, 08:33 AM

Nice thread.

The aesthetics featured are not very reminiscent of Serbians, IMO.

Arhat

03-09-2019, 08:41 AM

Wow, I always thought that NW Russians were just Finnics that underwent a language shift. Don't a couple of NW Russians cluster with Finnics?

North Russia is huge and this results are for Northwest Russians, who lived in the core area of Novgorodian Rus. Everything east and North of Medieval Novgorodian Rus is much more mixed and has a big Finno-Ugrian substrate. Some of this areas were only populated by East Slavs after the Mongolian invasion
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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 09:27 AM

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 09:37 AM

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 09:40 AM

For comparison, photos of some Poles, they have greater brachycephaly and face wide

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Dna8

03-09-2019, 10:51 AM

Very nice thread.

Comprehensive selection of aesthetics.

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 05:25 PM

Pskov.

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 05:32 PM

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Veles

03-09-2019, 06:04 PM

Vadim Verenich (Genetician) modelled NW Russians from Novgorod with this fits

Russian-Smolensk 90% + Karelian 10% @ 7

Russian-Pskov 5% + Russian-Smolensk 85% + Karelian 10% @ 7,02

Vepsa 5% + Russian-Smolensk 85% + Karelian 10% @ 7,54

Vepsa 5% + Russian-Pskov 5% + Russian-Smolensk 85% + Karelian 5% @ 7,56

Russian-Pinega-Mezen 5% + Russian-Smolensk 85% + Karelian 10% @ 7,72

Russian-Pinega-Mezen 5% + Russian-Pskov 5% + Russian-Smolensk 80% + Karelian 10% @ 7,85

So yes they have a lot of Proto-Slavic ancestry (Russian-Smolensk are almost pure Slavs but with a big Baltic substrate). The Baltic substrate seems to be also visible in the phenotypes of NW Russians
Verenich modeled Novgorod Russians as a mixture of Smolensk Russians and 10% Finns, not Slavs and 10% Finns. And who are Smolensk Russians and why they are considered true Slavs? Because Smolensk Russians are close to Belarusians, and Verenich himself is Belarusian. Belarusians are not exactly Slavs. Belarusians are a mixture of Slavs, Balts and a strong influence of the Balkans. That is, Smolensk Russians have exactly the same set of ancestors. Here is an example of a true Belarusian:
the Son of President Lukashenko is a pure-blooded Belarusian
https://i.ibb.co/HXr9gs4/1530019295-45290-original.jpg (https://ibb.co/nRDKkvm)
and Andrei Orlovsky is a Belarusian MMA fighter.
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Real Balto-Slavs live in Moscow and in the Moscow region, not in Smolensk:
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Veles

03-09-2019, 06:09 PM

For comparison, photos of some Poles, they have greater brachycephaly and face wider,but the shape of the eyes is similar, but perhaps it is also in our family Polish line

Your autosomes aren't Polish, they're North Russian.

Veles

03-09-2019, 06:16 PM

Wow, I always thought that NW Russians were just Finnics that underwent a language shift. Don't a couple of NW Russians cluster with Finnics?
You are very wrong, take a good look at this PCA, based on the calculator of the same Verenich MDLP27
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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 06:35 PM

Your autosomes aren't Polish, they're North Russian.

Hahahahahaha, what do you know about my autosomes :cool: My origin is in my ethno map in avatar, for those who do not understand

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:11 PM

St. Petersburg

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Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:15 PM

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https://c.radikal.ru/c00/1903/f2/59613b2022c8.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://a.radikal.ru/a35/1903/c9/a47c5f113910.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://a.radikal.ru/a14/1903/2c/ba7621a06735.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://c.radikal.ru/c29/1903/55/296c8871fd67.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://c.radikal.ru/c01/1903/be/382b2fed20e6.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://c.radikal.ru/c28/1903/a9/5a2ff2eb48ae.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://b.radikal.ru/b15/1903/89/58bd88b16803.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://c.radikal.ru/c04/1903/a5/cc880c908106.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://b.radikal.ru/b29/1903/f9/be5682d69120.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://a.radikal.ru/a21/1903/29/84c467413712.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://b.radikal.ru/b23/1903/c4/f950713693d5.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://b.radikal.ru/b20/1903/fe/d54a8158de90.png (https://radikal.ru)

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:18 PM

Ethnic Finnish Map
The image can be found on the Internet, freely available.

https://c.radikal.ru/c05/1903/93/31f5c3160bf4.png (https://radikal.ru)

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:20 PM

Finn-Ingermanland

https://a.radikal.ru/a16/1903/ed/b64ddca6fc99.png (https://radikal.ru)

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:21 PM

Northern Russian

https://b.radikal.ru/b16/1903/74/95d62ecc0e3e.png (https://radikal.ru)

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:22 PM

Belarus

https://c.radikal.ru/c21/1903/76/8aaba9347846.png (https://radikal.ru)

Blondie

03-09-2019, 07:23 PM

Nice peoples, i like russians :)

Arhat

03-09-2019, 07:26 PM

Belarus

https://c.radikal.ru/c21/1903/76/8aaba9347846.png (https://radikal.ru)

You should also open a thread about Central Russians (Vladimir, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod,..). I am very much interested in this region. It seems they are very much Belarusian-like but with a Merya substrate around 20-40% i would say. But Merya themselves probably had a lot of Balto-Slavic-like ancestry

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:35 PM

You should also open a thread about Central Russians (Vladimir, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod,..). I am very much interested in this region. It seems they are very much Belarusian-like but with a Merya substrate around 20-40% i would say. But Merya themselves probably had a lot of Balto-Slavic-like ancestry

I have no other images, I need to look at Russian forums where people show their individual similar ethno-maps. For example, I saw such a map in the subject Ukrainians of Poltava on the MOLgen forum

Vyacheslav

03-09-2019, 07:40 PM

You should also open a thread about Central Russians (Vladimir, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod,..). I am very much interested in this region. It seems they are very much Belarusian-like but with a Merya substrate around 20-40% i would say. But Merya themselves probably had a lot of Balto-Slavic-like ancestry

Here is a map of the settlement of Slavic tribes in Russia

https://b.radikal.ru/b04/1903/4e/65438ebf0cdd.jpg (https://radikal.ru)

Veles

03-09-2019, 07:42 PM

You should also open a thread about Central Russians (Vladimir, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod,..). I am very much interested in this region. It seems they are very much Belarusian-like but with a Merya substrate around 20-40% i would say. But Merya themselves probably had a lot of Balto-Slavic-like ancestry
These IBD card bullshit. I'm Central Russian and here is my IBD card:
https://i.ibb.co/t4pNtPT/IBDmy.jpg (https://ibb.co/56hzyxg)
:picard1:

nittionia

03-09-2019, 07:49 PM

Diverse

Vyacheslav

03-10-2019, 11:20 AM

People of Pskov are closer to the Estonians and Baltic cluster

https://c.radikal.ru/c09/1903/fb/cfd260c6513a.png (https://radikal.ru)

Vyacheslav

03-10-2019, 08:34 PM

https://b.radikal.ru/b28/1903/df/0bea61349a3e.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://b.radikal.ru/b04/1903/9f/50bce18e2520.png (https://radikal.ru)

https://odindvoitch.wordpress.com/2017/04/30/%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D 0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0% B5-%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8B-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D 1%8F-%D1%81%D1%81/