Slavic race

[Tertius]

I understand that Slavic nations are not purely Slavic, here in Czechia there are many foreign looking individuals. Only 2/3 of all people here consider themselves as ethnic Czechs. But is there anything like "R1a race"?
Are the pics bellow a good representation of East Indo-Europeans?
https://rusmilitary.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/26.jpg
http://darkroom-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/07/AFPGetty-521106037.jpg
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/upload2/2017-03-29/3ba0355fdd457152775d92aabbe858b0.jpg
https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/russian-military-02.jpg

[Blondie]

Slavs = r1a + I2a1

[Dick]

Slavs = r1a + I2a1

And I1

[Ülev]

And I1

and r1b df-27

[Tertius]

I1 came from German migrants, they were in every Slavic nation. (Volga Germans, Sudeten Germans,...)

[Blondie]

Hungarian actress Eszter Balla, i think she looks text book slavic girl:

http://cdn.nwmgroups.hu/s/img/i/1610/20161027balla-eszter-szineszno-az-otthonaban10.jpg?w=644&h=429

https://static.femina.hu/hazai_sztar/balla_eszter_kontroll_macilany/10.jpg

http://media.borsonline.hu/cikk/10/99720/big-lead/650x360/99686.jpg

[Blondie]

And I1

Haplogroup I1 is not slavic.

[Janislav]

R1a is a haplogroup and Slavs are a linguistic group. Neither of them is connected to race. R1a can be found in India and West Asia.
The racial make up of Slavs is mostly associated with Russian East Baltids, but you won't find them that often in Slovakia or the in the South Slavs, who are especially distinct genetically spoken to other Slavic people.

[Dick]

Haplogroup I1 is not slavic.

Look here. There is a Czech

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S2077/

[Blondie]

R1a is a haplogroup and Slavs are a linguistic group. Neither of them is connected to race. R1a can be found in India and West Asia.

Haplogroups related to ethnicities, several branch of r1a is slavic, other branch is iranic etc.

[Blondie]

Look here. There is a Czech

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S2077/

Czechs got lot of germanic influence. I1 branches are germanic.

[Janislav]

Haplogroups related to ethnicities, several branch of r1a is slavic, other branch is iranic etc.

Haplogroups are related to migration, in that way it is related to ethnicity. Slavs are a metaethnicity, but Poles aren't Serbs and Serbs aren't Russians. My point is that there is no Slavic race. It has Dinarics, East Baltids, Alpinids, Neo-Danubians, Nordics, (North)-Pontids - The only phenotype that doesn't exist there is probably Borreby, and even that could be maybe found in Polands coastline

[Blondie]

My point is that there is no Slavic race.

Genetically there is slavic race and this is a typical slavic phenotype:
http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

[nittionia]

My dad is cheeki
https://i.imgur.com/Qxiv1Wq.jpg

[Peterski]

I1 came from German migrants

No, I1 has much more ancient presence in Poland than German immigration, it was present here already in Roman Iron Age:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261257-Danish-Polish-Brotherhood

(Roman Iron Age = ancient era before year 400 AD / CE)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Northern_Europe#Roman_Iron_Age

http://i.imgur.com/GSuhSG5.png

[Dandelion]

A race which extends the Slavic-speaking population.

[Blondie]

I1 has much more ancient presence in Poland than German immigration, it was present here already in Roman Iron Age:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261257-Danish-Polish-Brotherhood

(Roman Iron Age = ancient era before year 400 AD / CE)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Northern_Europe#Roman_Iron_Age

http://i.imgur.com/GSuhSG5.png

It does not change the fact, I1 branches are germanic haplogroups.

"From 2800 BCE, a large-scale cultural and genetic upheaval hit Scandinavia with the arrival of the Indo-Europeans from Eastern Europe, who introduced the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age to the region practically without Neolithic transition. The first Indo-Europeans to reach Scandinavia were the Corded Ware people from modern Russia, Belarus and Poland, who are thought to have belonged predominantly to haplogroup R1a, with a minority of R1b and I2a. These people shared some similar maternal lineages as Scandinavian I1 inhabitants, including mtDNA haplogroups U2e, U4 and U5, but also brought many new lineages such as H2a1, H6, W and various subclades of I, J, K and T.

The second major Indo-European migration to Scandinavia was that of haplogroup R1b-U106, the branch that is thought to have introduced Proto-Germanic languages, as an offshoot of the Proto-Celto-Germanic speakers from Central Europe. R1b probably entered Scandinavia from present-day Germany as a northward expansion of the late Unetice culture (2300-1600 BCE). The oldest known R1b sample in Scandinavia dates from the Nordic Bronze Age circa 1400 BCE (see Allentoft 2015 above).

According to the Germanic substrate hypothesis, first proposed by Sigmund Feist in 1932, Proto-Germanic was a hybrid language mixing Indo-European (R1b, and to a lower extent R1a) and pre-Indo-European (Mesolithic I2 and Neolithic G2a and I1) elements. This hybridisation would have taken place during the Bronze Age and given birth to the first Proto-Germanic civilization, the Nordic Bronze Age (1700-500 BCE)."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I1.gif

[Blondie]

Modern Germans have a very low amount of I1.

R1b is the main haplogroup of modern Germans.

I1 is not Germanic but Nordic (Northern European).

I have talked about "germanic" not germans. Germanic haplogroups are I1 brances, I2a2 and r1b branches.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

compare with southern Slavs (Croats)

https://direktno.hr/upload/publish/142322/vojnici-vojska-mimohod-trnovec-pume-3-5c18f0af511d_5c190119cde5a.jpg

[Blondie]

But I1 is Old European Nordic, not Indo-European.

Only R1a and R1b are Indo-European haplogroups. Pre-Proto-Germanic speakers had to be R1.

I1 are just people who were assimilated by Proto-Germanic and also by other Indo-European populations.

Just like I2a is from hunter-gatherers who lived in Pripyat Swamps and were assimilated by Proto-Slavs (R1a).

Yes and what is the question? I1 branches connected to proto-germanic population and I2a1 branches to proto-slavs.

[Mikula]

Haplogroups are related to migration, in that way it is related to ethnicity. Slavs are a metaethnicity, but Poles aren't Serbs and Serbs aren't Russians. My point is that there is no Slavic race. It has Dinarics, East Baltids, Alpinids, Neo-Danubians, Nordics, (North)-Pontids - The only phenotype that doesn't exist there is probably Borreby, and even that could be maybe found in Polands coastline

Czech President Miloš Zeman is a borreby

[Mikula]

Only 2/3 of all people here consider themselves as ethnic Czechs.

Source?
What do you mean?

[Ayetooey]

But I1 is Old European Nordic, not Indo-European.

Only R1a and R1b are Indo-European haplogroups. Pre-Proto-Germanic speakers had to be R1.

I1 are just people who were assimilated by Proto-Germanic and also by other Indo-European populations.

Just like I2a is from hunter-gatherers who lived in Pripyat Swamps and were assimilated by Proto-Slavs (R1a).

Good points, but it's almost certain I2a was part of some sort of early Germanic grouping before being Slavicised; I doubt they were hunter-gatherers in Pripyat, not much to hunt there lol.

[Blondie]

Good points, but it's almost certain I2a was part of some sort of early Germanic grouping before being Slavicised; I doubt they were hunter-gatherers in Pripyat, not much to hunt there lol.

This branch is germanic:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-I2b.gif

[Ayetooey]

This branch is germanic:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-I2b.gif

Nice, I talk about slavic I2a1b; many speculate it was Germanised originally, and possibly part of the Bastarnae who were east Germanic tribe, before being slavicised by R1a.

[Ford]

Good points, but it's almost certain I2a was part of some sort of early Germanic grouping before being Slavicised; I doubt they were hunter-gatherers in Pripyat, not much to hunt there lol.

Sit down and let me tell you the tale of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

[Blondie]

Nice, I talk about slavic I2a1b; many speculate it was Germanised originally, and possibly part of the Bastarnae who were east Germanic tribe, before being slavicised by R1a.

Yes maybe, but i have never heard about it.

[Dorian]

@OP You will learn what you need on the below post:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280973-R1a-Z93-Indo-Iranian-or-Turkic

[Veles]

There is Balto-Slavic race. It includes all Russians, Eastern Ukrainians, Belarusians, part of poles, Balts, Estonians and part of Finno-Ugric peoples.
Example:

https://i.ibb.co/MCjX7gm/10ca3d94bdd6a95afe2904896182dd15.jpg (https://ibb.co/tJNdDH9)
https://i.ibb.co/1z2qm2z/1247665-26944233-1600-900.jpg (https://ibb.co/2ZKtkKZ)
https://i.ibb.co/MRttBFw/IMG-1402.jpg (https://ibb.co/BgQQn0W)
https://i.ibb.co/HzxdsQK/tsqyjvgirqd4-vitalii-minakov.jpg (https://ibb.co/cFCLHdy)
https://i.ibb.co/SNzb0r0/vladimir-mineev.jpg (https://ibb.co/XXq1p8p)
https://i.ibb.co/KjrWDLJ/volkov.jpg (https://ibb.co/JRsHqy9)
https://i.ibb.co/KVVGvD4/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/HGG28Cw)
https://i.ibb.co/w63Hz6M/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/pXGDLXJ)
https://i.ibb.co/JmWqGv7/image.png (https://ibb.co/k5VJw48)

[Blondie]

There is Balto-Slavic race. It includes all Russians, Eastern Ukrainians, Belarusians, part of poles, Balts, Estonians and part of Finno-Ugric peoples.
Example:

https://i.ibb.co/MCjX7gm/10ca3d94bdd6a95afe2904896182dd15.jpg (https://ibb.co/tJNdDH9)
https://i.ibb.co/1z2qm2z/1247665-26944233-1600-900.jpg (https://ibb.co/2ZKtkKZ)
https://i.ibb.co/MRttBFw/IMG-1402.jpg (https://ibb.co/BgQQn0W)
https://i.ibb.co/HzxdsQK/tsqyjvgirqd4-vitalii-minakov.jpg (https://ibb.co/cFCLHdy)
https://i.ibb.co/SNzb0r0/vladimir-mineev.jpg (https://ibb.co/XXq1p8p)
https://i.ibb.co/KjrWDLJ/volkov.jpg (https://ibb.co/JRsHqy9)
https://i.ibb.co/KVVGvD4/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/HGG28Cw)
https://i.ibb.co/w63Hz6M/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/pXGDLXJ)
https://i.ibb.co/JmWqGv7/image.png (https://ibb.co/k5VJw48)

But Finno-Ugrics are not Balto-slavs.

[Mikula]

Anyway:
Slavs are today almost only a language group. Genetically and phenotypically (as well as culturally it is a very diverse entity.

[Dick]

Anyway:
Slavs are today almost only a language group. Genetically and phenotypically (as well as culturally it is a very diverse entity.

Like Latin Americans but with less angry Andid negrito

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

There are three Slav races

Balto-Slavs
Germano-Slavs
Med-Slavs

[Blondie]

There are three Slav races

Balto-Slavs
Germano-Slavs
Med-Slavs

What do you think Croats are germano-slavs or med-slavs?

[Veles]

But Finno-Ugrics are not Balto-slavs.
If you are Hungarian, it does not mean that your relatives are Khanty and Mansi. Right?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

What do you think Croats are germano-slavs or med-slavs?

Both, most are Med-Slavs but those in northwest are surely Germano-Slavs :D

[Blondie]

If you are Hungarian, it does not mean that your relatives are Khanty and Mansi. Right?

What do you mean?

[Cumansky]

There are three Slav races

Balto-Slavs
Germano-Slavs
Med-Slavs

Cumanskyslav from Mongolia to Greece we get free Kefir, Pierogi, Cevapi

[ooops]

From Wikipedia

Slavs are an Indo-European ethno-linguistic group who speak the various Slavic languages of the larger Balto-Slavic linguistic group. They are native to Eurasia, stretching from Central, Eastern, and Southeastern Europe all the way north and eastwards to Northeast Europe, Northern Asia (Siberia), the Caucasus, and Central Asia (especially Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan) as well as historically in Western Europe (particularly in East Germany) and Western Asia (including Anatolia)

[Arhat]

Anyway:
Slavs are today almost only a language group. Genetically and phenotypically (as well as culturally it is a very diverse entity.

Yes but all Slavs share a lot of recent ancestry. So compared to other Europeans like Germanics or Romanic people Slavs are quite inbred. I guess a Russian shares more recent ancestry with a Bulgarian than a German with a Norwegian even if overall Germans are genetically closer to Norwegians.

[bimf]

There is Balto-Slavic race. It includes all Russians, Eastern Ukrainians, Belarusians, part of poles, Balts, Estonians and part of Finno-Ugric peoples.


I wouldnt put estonians there. They are heavily finnish influenced, and they actually look quite different from latvians and lithuanians.
Also, why dont you put usyk picture here? He is far better a boxer than Kudryashov, beats povetkin too, and a true slav warior

[Cumansky]

Yes but all Slavs share a lot of recent ancestry. So compared to other Europeans like Germanics or Romanic people Slavs are quite inbred. I guess a Russian shares more recent ancestry with a Bulgarian than a German with a Norwegian even if overall Germans are genetically closer to Norwegians.

This nigga retarded

[Veles]

What do you mean?
Genetics and language are not the same.

[Slavic Italian]

I like you Slavs but I am happy I don't look like you. :)

[Slavic Italian]

This is a IBD run that Davidski ran for me. These are my top populations excluding ancient Anglo Saxon and Ireland. I wanted to show you an example of all you can be mixed with.

Finnish 6.9837311
AAB_Nordic_IA 6.89061
Saami 6.8176184
Russian_Central 6.3129655
Cossack_Kuban 6.3128055
AAB_Afanasievo 5.86506
AAB_Karasuk 5.7536815
Karelian 5.547862
Irish 5.422011
Ukrainian_East 5.1333935
Ukrainian_North 5.0581372
AAB_Iberia_EN 4.718556
AAB_Yamnaya_Kalmykia 4.5660415
Russian_North 4.5513911
Polish 4.5277836
German 4.519413
AAB_Andronovo 4.450037
AAB_LaBrana1 4.256572
Russian_Northwest 4.2468085
Ingrian 4.1722577
Ukrainian_West 4.160939
English_Kent 4.0268801
Belarusian 3.9992904
Serbian_Bosnia 3.9872803
Vepsa 3.907576
Norwegian 3.8647022
Russian_West 3.821985
Utah_USA 3.79125
Latvian 3.7267059

[Veles]

I wouldnt put estonians there. They are heavily finnish influenced, and they actually look quite different from latvians and lithuanians.
Also, why dont you put usyk picture here? He is far better a boxer than Kudryashov, beats povetkin too, and a true slav warior
Usik is undoubtedly Balto-Slav, he is from Chernigov.

[Veslan]

Ancient Slavs were very archaic looking: meso/dolichocephalic with rather strong browridges (at least compared to modern Slavs) and longish faces.

Average metrics (from Ilse Schwidetzky's Rassenkunde der Altslawen)
https://i.imgur.com/pT8MuUP.jpg
Pigmentation according to Medieval historians:
https://i.imgur.com/wDdvRfu.png

A few skulls:

Nordic/Paleo-Europoid ("Osteuropid", but in dolichocephalic form):
Pommeranian Slavs:
https://i.imgur.com/G2adzok.png
From top to down: Pommeranian, Croatian, Silesian x2, Bosnian, Carinthian (modern Austria), Kuyavian, Russian x2
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-22-sm.jpg
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-23-sm.jpg
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-24-sm.jpg
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-46-sm.jpg
From Poland:
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AY-20150227_180344.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rS5oXoz.png
https://i.imgur.com/Iv6nICk.png
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AY-20150227_180149.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AY-20150227_180255.jpg
Some Proto-Slavs also seemed to be more primitive/Mongoloid influenced too:
From Czechia, Austria:
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-50-sm.jpg
From Poland:
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AQ-20150227_180303.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/aq-4490439404039.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AQ-20150227_180158.jpg

Modern Slavs are of course, quite different looking on average because of both mixing with other groups and natural selection within their nations. Modern "average" Slavic look is a mix of the Proto-Slavic phenotypes with the local (usually brachycephalic) ones, so it would be pretty much any generic depigmented or partially depigmented brachycephalic type, from East Baltic to Noric, to Subnordic, all very "typical" and "Slavic looking".

[Smeagol]

There's no such thing of course. Slavs belong to the Caucasoid Race and are divided into several sub-races.

[Roy]

Genetically there is slavic race and this is a typical slavic phenotype:
http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

So it is some new term. :eek: :) And btw. I have nothing against creating / coining new distinct terms & names, some of it has become obsolete, and it's always been quite lacking as in being unfinished / underreaserched / too poor to my liking with some regions / areas / ethnicities being less regarded. Either way it's widely asserted that Slavic is just a linguistic, much less so a cultural term term in order to stay objective.

[Tertius]

Hungarian actress Eszter Balla, i think she looks text book slavic girl:
http://cdn.nwmgroups.hu/s/img/i/1610/20161027balla-eszter-szineszno-az-otthonaban10.jpg?w=644&h=429


When I compare her with the pictures I posted or people I have ever met, she has too much sharp face features. Slavs have "smoother" look.

https://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/czechwoman.jpg
https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48059099_2209616052610570_6178537560281710592_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fprg1-1.fna&oh=4228ac86e3eeeecb9715f39ab40491d2&oe=5D1DBA7E

[Blondie]

When I compare her with the pictures I posted or people I have ever met, she has too much sharp face features. Slavs have "smoother" look.

https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48059099_2209616052610570_6178537560281710592_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fprg1-1.fna&oh=4228ac86e3eeeecb9715f39ab40491d2&oe=5D1DBA7E

She looks german.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Hungarian actress Eszter Balla, i think she looks text book slavic girl:

http://cdn.nwmgroups.hu/s/img/i/1610/20161027balla-eszter-szineszno-az-otthonaban10.jpg?w=644&h=429

https://static.femina.hu/hazai_sztar/balla_eszter_kontroll_macilany/10.jpg

http://media.borsonline.hu/cikk/10/99720/big-lead/650x360/99686.jpg

"textbook Slavic" surely don't have such dark hair as this girl. Neither blond as Scandinavians, but surely not dark as this.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

textbook slav

https://pp.vk.me/c9609/u133398690/130072412/x_d948cb87.jpg

[Tertius]

compare with southern Slavs (Croats)

https://direktno.hr/upload/publish/142322/vojnici-vojska-mimohod-trnovec-pume-3-5c18f0af511d_5c190119cde5a.jpg

The vast majority of Balkan's population is mixed, it is visible on these soldiers.

[Ford]

North Pontids are in my opinion the most Slavic looking people.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The vast majority of Balkan's population is mixed, it is visible on these soldiers.

They look pretty Slavic, more so than Croatian civilian population. I see quite a few Baltids and Neo-Danubians.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

North Pontids are in my opinion the most Slavic looking people.

you mean like Stears dude ?

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=1007&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=50OEXOPhFI-bkwW3ib6YDw&q=stears+theapricity&oq=stears+theapricity&gs_l=img.3...1767.3380..3522...0.0..0.112.1243.3j9 ......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0j0i5i30j0i24j0i10i24.31E4mlbXLu4

[Ford]

you mean like Stears dude ?

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=1007&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=50OEXOPhFI-bkwW3ib6YDw&q=stears+theapricity&oq=stears+theapricity&gs_l=img.3...1767.3380..3522...0.0..0.112.1243.3j9 ......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0j0i5i30j0i24j0i10i24.31E4mlbXLu4

hmm, not sure. Dušan is what I'd call textbook North Pontid. He's probably the most Slavic looking person I've ever seen in my life.

[Tertius]

Source?
What do you mean?

26% of all people from 2011 census did not feel like they are part of any ethnicity. Maximum of ethnicities you could claim to be was two, which probably made people with diverse background confused, so they left it blank. The center of Europe of course would be mixed, especially the Sudetenland area.

[Veslan]

North Pontids are in my opinion the most Slavic looking people.

They would fit very well in the Proto-Slavic groups because of skull dimensions.

[Blondie]

North Pontids are in my opinion the most Slavic looking people.

North Pontid is a typical steppe racial type in East Europe. Early magyars, alans, sarmatians were mostly North Pontid without any slavic genetic.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

hmm, not sure. Dušan is what I'd call textbook North Pontid. He's probably the most Slavic looking person I've ever seen in my life.

More than Pioter ? He also look North Pontid with some Baltid, imo.

[Satem]

More than Pioter ? He also look North Pontid with some Baltid, imo.

Not again, please. Of course Dušan looks more Slavic

[Ford]

North Pontid is a typical steppe racial type in East Europe. Early magyars, alans, sarmatians were mostly North Pontid without any slavic genetic.
And Slavs don't descend from steppe populations?


More than Pioter ? He also look North Pontid with some Baltid, imo.
He's also extremely Slavic, although I would still say Dušan look more Slavic.

[Ford]

Not again, please. Of course Dušan looks more Slavic

Just a random fact. You resemble one of my cousins a lot, except that he's like 30cm taller :p But when I saw your profile pic I immediately thought of my cousin.

[Blondie]

And Slavs don't descend from steppe populations?

No because slavs originated from Belorussia and forest areas not from Steppe. Slavs have never been steppe nomads. So North Pontid cannot be original racial type.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not again, please. Of course Dušan looks more Slavic

what the fuck, are you another self hater or something ?

I was not insulted when people said I look Tatar.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No because slavs originated from Belorussia and forest areas not from Steppe. Slavs have never been steppe nomads. So North Pontid cannot be original racial type.

Really doubt Magyars were North Pontid. More like Turanids and looked like mister G old man.

[Crn Volk]

There's no such thing of course. Slavs belong to the Caucasoid Race and are divided into several sub-races.

Much like the Germanic race.

[Smeagol]

Much like the Germanic race.

True.

[Ford]

No because slavs originated from Belorussia and forest areas not from Steppe. Slavs have never been steppe nomads. So North Pontid cannot be original racial type.

I mean descended, not actually being nomads. Aren't the ancestors of Slavs Scythians and Sarmatians?

[Veslan]

No because slavs originated from Belorussia and forest areas not from Steppe. Slavs have never been steppe nomads. So North Pontid cannot be original racial type.

North Pontid is just East Nordic type mixed with Pontic Mediterranean. It obviously existed in both Proto-Slavs and Scytho-Sarmatians.

[Blondie]

Really doubt Magyars were North Pontid. More like Turanids and looked like mister G old man.

They were mostly north pontid, baltid, dinarid etc. The turanid type was minority.

"Thanks to Pál Lipták's research it has been known for almost half a century that only 16.7 percent of 10th-century human bones belong to the Euro-Mongoloid and Mongoloid types.[60][61] The European characteristics in the biological composition of the recent Hungarian population and the lack of Asian markers are not solely due to the thousand years of blending.[60] The population around 1000 AD in Hungary was made up almost exclusively of people who were genetically Europid.[60]"

Majority of early magyars were europoid only the ruler class were asian looking because of hun and turkic mixing.

[Blondie]

I mean descended, not actually being nomads. Aren't the ancestors of Slavs Scythians and Sarmatians?

Slavs and Iranic nomads have different origin but very possible that some iranic tribe were assimilated by slavs.

[Tertius]

She looks german.

Depends on what kind of German, she would pass maybe in East Germany, which is mixed with Slavs, but not as South or North German.

https://spartacus-educational.com/00womenHit11.jpg
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F37%2F02%2F41%2F370241787ae 4d548f1d6543320a2c8f3.jpg&f=1

[Blondie]

Depends on what kind of German, she would pass maybe in East Germany, which is mixed with Slavs, but not as South or North German.

She can pass everywhere in Germany.

[Arhat]

I mean descended, not actually being nomads. Aren't the ancestors of Slavs Scythians and Sarmatians?

Only to a small extent. The main ancestor of Slavs are Corded Ware people who were steppe people and very mobile+warlike. But Scythians were also derived from them so Scythians and Slavs have a common ancestor

[bimf]

There are three Slav races

Balto-Slavs
Germano-Slavs
Med-Slavs

It would be better if you make a list for them all.
My honset opinion:

Balto-slavs: northeastern poland, belarus, west and north russia, west ukraine(?)
German-slavs: west poland, czech, slovakia, slovenia, a small part of croatia(?)
Med-slavs: all balkan countries
Then we got east and south ukraine and south russia left, which I think are quite unique.

Your opinions?

[Mortimer]

Can I into slavic race?

https://i.postimg.cc/Ss8D5L4X/Soviet-Ushanka.jpg

[Vojnik]

Slavs = r1a + I2a1

I'm I2a1b. But don't look Slav.

[simple user]

Can I into slavic race?

https://i.postimg.cc/Ss8D5L4X/Soviet-Ushanka.jpg

You look South Slav to me.

[Veles]

It would be better if you make a list for them all.
My honset opinion:

Balto-slavs: northeastern poland, belarus, west and north russia, west ukraine(?)
German-slavs: west poland, czech, slovakia, slovenia, a small part of croatia(?)
Med-slavs: all balkan countries
Then we got east and south ukraine and south russia left, which I think are quite unique.

Your opinions?
The fact is that you confuse the Balts and the inhabitants of the Baltic States. Residents of the Baltic States is 1/4 of all the ancient Balts. When I say "Balto Slavs", I don't think about Lithuanians and Latvians. Lithuanians and Latvians are a separate isolated coastal tribe of the Eastern Balts. There were other Balts, which few people know, as in the future they became the Eastern Slavs. These people should be called Balto-Slavs. I'm talking about the Dnieper Balts. Here are maps:
Western Balts
East Balts
The Dnieper Balts are the main, most numerous true Balts. Their ancestral homeland is in Belarus, and the territory extends to Moscow and further east.
1. https://i.ibb.co/4Ss0DhM/3balts.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
The territory of the Balts. Most of the territory of the Balts was located in the territory of the Russian Federation.
2.https://i.ibb.co/TKZy5DH/Z-3-E2-B5-F3-T2-BP0c-HConppz-Ycgdmb-BZ5c-ZULdc-X14ki-IIi-Rka25g-Ie3-DGAy-Lh-Ov54v-O3ho-Mpf-Ajr2j-GGIDd-Ymw.jpg (https://ibb.co/z81dwWS)
These are Baltic hydronyms. They reached Poland and Romania. The ancestors of the central / southern Russians and northeastern Ukrainians are located in the epicenter of these hydronyms. Southern Ukrainians are mostly newcomers from the south-west of Ukraine.
3.https://i.ibb.co/k9LtpWP/image.png (https://ibb.co/F0QF9jd)
That's how Myheritage sees me. I'm South-Central Russian. That's why. All Latvians and Lithuanians came from the territory of the Dnieper Balts. And the Dnieper Balts are the main ancestors of the Baltic-Slavs.
4.https://i.ibb.co/nMNH9cg/MyH.jpg (https://ibb.co/JjwfV7B)
The epicenter of the Baltic-Slavs today moved to the sources of the Dnieper and the Oka river and the Moscow river, as well as the North-Eastern territory of Ukraine. The territory of Belarus and Ukraine was occupied by migrants from the South-West, mixed with the Baltic-Slavs. This is how many Belarusians look today:
https://i.ibb.co/hV5ny6S/45290-original.jpg (https://ibb.co/dD93rTR)

[Veles]

Can I into slavic race?

https://i.postimg.cc/Ss8D5L4X/Soviet-Ushanka.jpg
You look like Belarusian:
https://i.ibb.co/hV5ny6S/45290-original.jpg (https://ibb.co/dD93rTR)

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The fact is that you confuse the Balts and the inhabitants of the Baltic States. Residents of the Baltic States is 1/4 of all the ancient Balts. When I say "Balto Slavs", I don't think about Lithuanians and Latvians. Lithuanians and Latvians are a separate isolated coastal tribe of the Eastern Balts. There were other Balts, which few people know, as in the future they became the Eastern Slavs. These people should be called Balto-Slavs. I'm talking about the Dnieper Balts. Here are maps:
Western Balts
East Balts
The Dnieper Balts are the main, most numerous true Balts. Their ancestral homeland is in Belarus, and the territory extends to Moscow and further east.
1. https://i.ibb.co/4Ss0DhM/3balts.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
The territory of the Balts. Most of the territory of the Balts was located in the territory of the Russian Federation.
2.https://i.ibb.co/TKZy5DH/Z-3-E2-B5-F3-T2-BP0c-HConppz-Ycgdmb-BZ5c-ZULdc-X14ki-IIi-Rka25g-Ie3-DGAy-Lh-Ov54v-O3ho-Mpf-Ajr2j-GGIDd-Ymw.jpg (https://ibb.co/z81dwWS)
These are Baltic hydronyms. They reached Poland and Romania. The ancestors of the central / southern Russians and northeastern Ukrainians are located in the epicenter of these hydronyms. Southern Ukrainians are mostly newcomers from the south-west of Ukraine.
3.https://i.ibb.co/k9LtpWP/image.png (https://ibb.co/F0QF9jd)
That's how Myheritage sees me. I'm South-Central Russian. That's why. All Latvians and Lithuanians came from the territory of the Dnieper Balts. And the Dnieper Balts are the main ancestors of the Baltic-Slavs.
4.https://i.ibb.co/nMNH9cg/MyH.jpg (https://ibb.co/JjwfV7B)
The epicenter of the Baltic-Slavs today moved to the sources of the Dnieper and the Oka river and the Moscow river, as well as the North-Eastern territory of Ukraine. The territory of Belarus and Ukraine was occupied by migrants from the South-West, mixed with the Baltic-Slavs. This is how many Belarusians look today:
https://i.ibb.co/hV5ny6S/45290-original.jpg (https://ibb.co/dD93rTR)

Which migrants from South-West? "Real" Slavs ?

By the way: Dnieper Balts are NOT some amorphous "Balto-Slavs", they're Balts! Slavs assimilated them through their expansion.

And that guy looks Turkic!

[simple user]

Balto-Slavs.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85715&d=1552131538

Original Slavs(South Slavs)
https://i.ibb.co/r4vyW46/43050-original.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NV2c3q8/1569334-original.jpg

[Mikula]

26% of all people from 2011 census did not feel like they are part of any ethnicity. Maximum of ethnicities you could claim to be was two, which probably made people with diverse background confused, so they left it blank. The center of Europe of course would be mixed, especially the Sudetenland area.

They just did not wish to fulfill the column, unfortunately. I doubt that among the 26% was higher number of non-Czech or mixed ethnicities.

[Blondie]

Original Slavs(South Slavs)
https://i.ibb.co/r4vyW46/43050-original.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NV2c3q8/1569334-original.jpg

They are gypsies not south slavs.

[Dušan]

Not again, please. Of course Dušan looks more Slavic

You look like you are my younger brother.

Be proud of being Slavic :)

[Pribislav]

Balto-Slavs.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85715&d=1552131538

Original Slavs(South Slavs)
https://i.ibb.co/r4vyW46/43050-original.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NV2c3q8/1569334-original.jpg

What's up Krivich!?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't understand why are some Russians butthurt to have lot of Baltic admixture.
South Slavs are Slav + Balkan mostly. Not ''pure''

Real Slavs were white northern people, but they were not Balts.

[Tertius]

Original Slavs(South Slavs)
https://i.ibb.co/r4vyW46/43050-original.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NV2c3q8/1569334-original.jpg

Dude, you have no idea how Slavs look like. You are posting gypsies or those mixed with non-whites.
Yeah, people like this live in Balkan Slavic countries in big numbers, but that does not mean they are Slavic by ethnicity.

[Veles]

Which migrants from South-West? "Real" Slavs ?

By the way: Dnieper Balts are NOT some amorphous "Balto-Slavs", they're Balts! Slavs assimilated them through their expansion.

And that guy looks Turkic!
Original Slavs are a mixture of different Baits. This "Turk" guy - fullblood Belarus.

[simple user]

They are gypsies not south slavs.

They are Ukrainians.

[simple user]

Dude, you have no idea how Slavs look like. You are posting gypsies or those mixed with non-whites.
Yeah, people like this live in Balkan Slavic countries in big numbers, but that does not mean they are Slavic by ethnicity.

Not Gypsises they are Ukrainians.

[simple user]

Original Slavs are a mixture of different Baits. This "Turk" guy - fullblood Belarus.

Balto-Slav are assimilated Balts they have nothing to do with original Slavs.

[simple user]

I don't understand why are some Russians butthurt to have lot of Baltic admixture.
South Slavs are Slav + Balkan mostly. Not ''pure''

Real Slavs were white northern people, but they were not Balts.

I am Russian and I proud to be assimilited Balt or Ugro-Finnic. Real Slavs were from Ukraine, nowadays you can find real Slavs in the Balkans.

[Veles]

Balto-Slav are assimilated Balts have they nothing to do with original Slavs.
What did the original Slavs look like?:)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I am Russian and I proud to be assimilited Balt or Ugro-Finnic. Real Slavs were from Ukraine, nowadays you can find real Slavs in the Balkans.

Russians have lot of Slavic blood on top of that. SW Russians are probably very Slav by blood.

[simple user]

What did the original Slavs look like?:)


This. Simple Alpines, nothing Gypsy about them.
https://i.ibb.co/NV2c3q8/1569334-original.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

This. Simple Alpines, nothing Gypsy about them.

I am guessing Bulgarians who have heavy East Med admixture. These phenotypes have nothing to do with proto-Slavs. They are Balkan wogs.

Proto Slavs were North Pontids most probably.

[simple user]

People what the hell? Look behind them... That's Mova. A number of Gypsies in Ukraine is very small. Chance that they are Gyspies = 0,0000000001%.
https://i.ibb.co/r4vyW46/43050-original.jpg

[simple user]

I am guessing Bulgarians who have heavy East Med admixture. These phenotypes have nothing to do with proto-Slavs. They are Balkan wogs.

Proto Slavs were North Pontids most probably.

They are not Bulgarians, they are Ukrainians.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

They are not Bulgarians, they are Ukrainians.

Cherrypicked.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

They could be Jews or Armenians.

[simple user]

People what the hell? Look behind them... That's Mova. A number of Gypsies in Ukraine is very small. Chance that they are Gyspies = 0,0000000001%.
https://i.ibb.co/r4vyW46/43050-original.jpg

Damn Gypsies do not study in universities it's obvious...

[Veles]

They could be Jews or Armenians.
They are Ukrainian nationalists, they can't be Armenians, but they look like Armenians and Turks.
https://i.ibb.co/y50KNTs/6e6ad4d41e25-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/1KZB0V2)

[simple user]

They are Ukrainian nationalists, they can't be Armenians, but they look like Armenians and Turks.
https://i.ibb.co/y50KNTs/6e6ad4d41e25-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/1KZB0V2)

Original Slavic look...

[Tertius]

This. Simple Alpines, nothing Gypsy about them.
https://i.ibb.co/NV2c3q8/1569334-original.jpg
These people are Alpines mixed with non-Europeans. Notice curly black hair, dark eye color and darker skin.
Gypsies are not ethnicity like Irish or Pygmies, they are mix of sort of everything from India to Hungary. Gypsies from Ukraine look different to Czech or German ones.

[Tertius]

Damn Gypsies do not study in universities it's obvious...

Gypsies can be in universities. Not frequent visitors, but they somewhere exist. According to a study done in Czechia and Slovakia, around 0,3% of them attended any college.
In order to get on university you need IQ ~110 (Unless you live in America). Average IQ of Gypsies is between 70-83, that means 0,4-3,6% of them are able to.
If World Romani Union is right, there are 400 000 Gypsies in Ukraine, so there are currently at least hundred of them studying.

[Arhat]

They are Ukrainian nationalists, they can't be Armenians, but they look like Armenians and Turks.
https://i.ibb.co/y50KNTs/6e6ad4d41e25-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/1KZB0V2)

I am often in both countries and pigmentation wise Russians are only a bit lighter (only northwest/baltic shifted Russians are significantly lighter pigmented). My Russian wife does even not see a difference in pigmentation and she does not even like Ukrainians. Ukrainians have definitely more "Mediterranean / southern" facial structures but they also exist among Russians. Generally it is very hard to tell apart Russians from Ukrainians except of some local types.

[Veles]

I am often in both countries and pigmentation wise Russians are only a bit lighter (only northwest/baltic shifted Russians are significantly lighter pigmented). My Russian wife does even not see a difference in pigmentation and she does not even like Ukrainians. Ukrainians have definitely more "Mediterranean / southern" facial structures but they also exist among Russians. Generally it is very hard to tell apart Russians from Ukrainians except of some local types.
Not all Ukrainians are Turanid. Balto-Slavic Ukrainians live in the north-east of Ukraine. Light / dark - you do not understand that it is not a question of light and dark hair. The case in the structure of the skull. Russian Alpin - a rarity. Russians are mostly Balto-Pontids, Balto-Nords, Balto-Baltids. If you look into the eyes of Russian - you will see Corded Ware. Look into the eyes of the Ukrainians - you will see Taranid.
https://i.ibb.co/kgHXXZH/0424ukraine01.jpg (https://ibb.co/5WMLLZM)

[Veles]

The face of the Ukrainian Slavic soldier
https://i.ibb.co/yFn96mL/1ef1753ceda5882b18925a083ebc8315-1440x.jpg (https://ibb.co/5hW0rXq)
The face of the Russian Balto-Slavic soldier
https://i.ibb.co/tM982HC/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/Y7xpdNj)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

lmao :rolleyes:

[michal3141]

Sometimes it makes me wonder. How many Kriviches are in this thread ? :)

[CommonSense]

Krivich is back in business!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253411-Baltids-are-100-Mongoloids

[Dorian]

I don't understand why are some Russians butthurt to have lot of Baltic admixture.
South Slavs are Slav + Balkan mostly. Not ''pure''

Real Slavs were white northern people, but they were not Balts.

You triggered me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIgcVg-_cw4

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281532-Going-to-Lithuania-and-Russia-next-weekend-boyz

[Veles]

Dark Balto Slavs.
https://i.ibb.co/x2dqL4T/648787-main.jpg (https://ibb.co/3TQmdJZ)
https://i.ibb.co/q7qtH9H/s1200.jpg (https://ibb.co/NtD80p0)

Dark Slavs
https://i.ibb.co/0fJtHff/7b9e5050310f1186ab148cd3826fa249-RSZ-690.jpg (https://ibb.co/hK8f3KK)
https://i.ibb.co/GVxBmyc/160309-154447-5450.jpg (https://ibb.co/Q6bz0Lr)
https://i.ibb.co/hW6Z1QT/pasted-image-0-4-1024x1024.png (https://ibb.co/BZprKWY)

[Seya]

Dark Balto Slavs.
Dark Slavs

again?

[Aspirin]

As I said in another thread, the user Pioter is the most Slavic looking person here. First, he have long head, have dark blonde hair, doesn't look German, doesn't look Scandinavian, doesn't look East Baltic, doesn't look Mediterranean or Dinaric influenced. He looks 100% Slavic. But this is my subjective opinion.

[Cumansky]

As I said in another thread, the user Pioter is the most Slavic looking person here. First, he have long head, have dark blonde hair, doesn't look German, doesn't look Scandinavian, doesn't look East Baltic, doesn't look Mediterranean or Dinaric influenced. He looks 100% Slavic. But this is my subjective opinion.

He not good example, I already said in this thread Pioter an intermediate Slavic type, and he upvoted my post. I'm sure he in agreement

[Aspirin]

He not good example, I already said in this thread Pioter an intermediate Slavic type, and he upvoted my post. I'm sure he in agreement

This is just my opinion.

[Cumansky]

This is just my opinion.

90% Poles are not even considered purest Slavs, by genetics.

[Veles]

again?
What shall we talk about?

[Pandur]

I'm not sure there is a slavic race.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Just stop showing these ugly dark brachycephals as dark Slavs. First of all Slavs were not round faced neither they had Balkanic pigmentation with black eyes :rolleyes:

[Cumansky]

Dark Balto Slavs.
https://i.ibb.co/x2dqL4T/648787-main.jpg (https://ibb.co/3TQmdJZ)
https://i.ibb.co/q7qtH9H/s1200.jpg (https://ibb.co/NtD80p0)

Dark Slavs
https://i.ibb.co/0fJtHff/7b9e5050310f1186ab148cd3826fa249-RSZ-690.jpg (https://ibb.co/hK8f3KK)
https://i.ibb.co/GVxBmyc/160309-154447-5450.jpg (https://ibb.co/Q6bz0Lr)
https://i.ibb.co/hW6Z1QT/pasted-image-0-4-1024x1024.png (https://ibb.co/BZprKWY)

This is Slavs? This mini TURAN my nigga

Except 2

[Veles]

90% Poles are not even considered purest Slavs, by genetics.
the purest Slavs who is this?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

This is just my opinion.

And mine.

[Cumansky]

the purest Slavs who is this?

Now?

Lithuanians

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

What do you think, do I qualify for dark Slavic look ? Am blue eyed though.

Or too much Tartarian looking ?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Original Slavs are a mixture of different Baits. This "Turk" guy - fullblood Belarus.

from which Balts proto-Slavs descended then?

[Cumansky]

What do you think, do I qualify for dark Slavic look ? Am blue eyed though.

Or too much Tartarian looking ?

Central Euro Slav

Actually some Bosnian guy was viewing my house today, is on real estate sale, he is short and blonde (he is lighter than me) but he look mongol influence

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Here, there is irony. Krivich (Veles) whose country caused evil toward real Balts (Lithuanians and Latvians) feel ashamed, and he is manifesting his butthurt toward Balkan Slavic-speaking population. No, Russians aren't "pure" if that is your point. Lithuanians and Latvians preserved archaic language features and this is what you call "Balts", and not Russians!! They're filthy mixed Slavs just like Southern ones, just with more assimilated Balts.

I will say in your point of understanding: Lithuanians and Latvians are aryans, not Russians.

[Ice]

authentic slavs

http://slavicstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/polish-girls-wearing-traditional-slavic-dresses.jpg

fake slavs
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5aecc9a84bbe6f748688434d/416x416.jpg?background=000000&cropX1=271&cropX2=1742&cropY1=321&cropY2=1791

[Vožd]

You triggered me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIgcVg-_cw4

These Slavs are riler xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z53pwkyKvTY

[Pribislav]

Here, there is irony. Krivich (Veles) whose country caused evil toward real Balts (Lithuanians and Latvians) feel ashamed, and he is manifesting his butthurt toward Balkan Slavic-speaking population. No, Russians aren't "pure" if that is your point. Lithuanians and Latvians preserved archaic language features and this is what you call "Balts", and not Russians!! They're filthy mixed Slavs just like Southern ones, just with more assimilated Balts.

I will say in your point of understanding: Lithuanians and Latvians are aryans, not Russians.

Yes, Veles is Krivich.

Simple user is Niko.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, Veles is Krivich.

Simple user is Niko.

I know. Real Balts have nothing against Balkan states, just against very mixed Russia.

[Veles]

from which Balts proto-Slavs descended then?
The Balts are the Balts who did not become Slavs. I think that some Western Proto-Slavs made Slavs from the Dnieper Balts. These proto-Slavs were not yet Slavs, and the Balts were not Slavs either. But together they became Slavs. Then a part of the Slavs went west and reunited with their ancestors proto-Slavs. The other part of the Slavs went east and reunited with their other ancestors - the Balts. So from one Slavic race two came out. Russians have more Baltic ancestral components. Western and southwestern Slavs have more proto-Slavic (code names) components. That is, the Western Slavs have more paternal components, the Eastern Slavs have more maternal (Balt) components.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Balts are the Balts who did not become Slavs. I think that some Western Proto-Slavs made Slavs from the Dnieper Balts. These proto-Slavs were not yet Slavs, and the Balts were not Slavs either. But together they became Slavs. Then a part of the Slavs went west and reunited with their ancestors proto-Slavs. The other part of the Slavs went east and reunited with their other ancestors - the Balts. So from one Slavic race two came out. Russians have more Baltic ancestral components. Western and southwestern Slavs have more proto-Slavic (code names) components. That is, the Western Slavs have more paternal components, the Eastern Slavs have more maternal (Balt) components.

I think you're confused with your own terminology.


The Balts are the Balts who did not become Slavs.

Such sentence means nothing.

Proto Slavs most likely formed south of Pripyat marshes, far from Dnieper Balts.

[Veles]

Here, there is irony. Krivich (Veles) whose country caused evil toward real Balts (Lithuanians and Latvians) feel ashamed, and he is manifesting his butthurt toward Balkan Slavic-speaking population. No, Russians aren't "pure" if that is your point. Lithuanians and Latvians preserved archaic language features and this is what you call "Balts", and not Russians!! They're filthy mixed Slavs just like Southern ones, just with more assimilated Balts.

I will say in your point of understanding: Lithuanians and Latvians are aryans, not Russians.
Balt language is really archaic. Slavic language is more modern. Yes, the Balts are Aryans from N1c to 60%. :)
I am R1a1 Z280 - Aryan haplogroup

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Balt language is really archaic. Slavic language is more modern. Yes, the Balts are Aryans from N1c to 60%. :)
I am R1a1 Z280 - Aryan haplogroup

Aryans are R1a Z93

Your is white European haplo bruv

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Balt language is really archaic. Slavic language is more modern. Yes, the Balts are Aryans from N1c to 60%. :)
I am R1a1 Z280 - Aryan haplogroup

Not true, they're about 40% N1c and 40% R1a, and they speak Baltic language. Russians speak filthy Slavic, unfortunately for you.

[Veles]

I think you're confused with your own terminology.



Such sentence means nothing.

Proto Slavs most likely formed south of Pripyat marshes, far from Dnieper Balts.
Red - Balts
Blue - Slavs
The ancestral home of the Balts was determined by scientists on hydronims. Ancestral home of the Slavs according to archaeological data.
https://i.ibb.co/yFcYjyR/image.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not true, they're about 40% N1c and 40% R1a, and they speak Baltic language. Russians speak filthy Slavic, unfortunately for you.

Balts don't look nothing mongoloid. Russians look more eastern

But Balts have big blocky heads, many look weird AF. I try to take pics from trip to Lithuania and Russia and make thread about it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Red - Balts
Blue - Slavs
The ancestral home of the Balts was determined by scientists on hydronims. Ancestral home of the Slavs according to archaeological data.
https://i.ibb.co/yFcYjyR/image.png (https://imgbb.com/)

This map have nothing to do with reallity. All area north of pripyat marshes was Baltic, and cultures like Fatyanovo and Trziniec. The only one ancient culture that can be attributed to Slavs (or pre-Slavs whatever) is Komarov culture. Neighbouring the Trziniec, but not the same.

[Maks Luburic]

Balts don't look nothing mongoloid. Russians look more eastern

That´s right. But Baltic admixture often creates pseudo-mongoloid features like the eyes of the chef, you posted recently.

Same for example with Niko Kovac (He is Dinaro-Baltic imo):
https://i3-img.7tv.de/pis/ezone/fff3qgELB38wdEB0AB1fHPDQCtTDCJ4UYl_Ic-IXCoYylZ0mXar255psZunNxEf6nIbS_ptHLX5IFtTKiVdkmIxz XpYobtJ3eJld165be99hlcPdMd1Fz4Zh3Q4lxXONSDK-DJZCESyKlMDZHjBejf5GQ8BtNFGTtB3arE9aOFNzcLa9P7KFf2 5wlG50_3rjnKghaCEDse1068N9GW0rfwN4t-2t62SNxubc-Myf3w/profile:mag-996x562

[Veles]

Not true, they're about 40% N1c and 40% R1a, and they speak Baltic language. Russians speak filthy Slavic, unfortunately for you.
This map is the ancestral home of the Balts. Natives from this land settled the Baltic states. This is not my card. I painted only the ancestral home of the Slavs. I would like to hear what bad has Russia done for the Baltic states, what should I be ashamed of? Who is Krivich? Why do you think I hate the Balkan countries?

[Dick]

Red - Balts
Blue - Slavs
The ancestral home of the Balts was determined by scientists on hydronims. Ancestral home of the Slavs according to archaeological data.
https://i.ibb.co/yFcYjyR/image.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Is this one of Stalin's maps from WW2? It looks like Russia is fucking Poland with a big blue dick.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

That´s right. But Baltic admixture often creates pseudo-mongoloid features like the eyes of the chef, you posted recently.

Same for example with Niko Kovac (He is Dinaro-Baltic imo):
https://i3-img.7tv.de/pis/ezone/fff3qgELB38wdEB0AB1fHPDQCtTDCJ4UYl_Ic-IXCoYylZ0mXar255psZunNxEf6nIbS_ptHLX5IFtTKiVdkmIxz XpYobtJ3eJld165be99hlcPdMd1Fz4Zh3Q4lxXONSDK-DJZCESyKlMDZHjBejf5GQ8BtNFGTtB3arE9aOFNzcLa9P7KFf2 5wlG50_3rjnKghaCEDse1068N9GW0rfwN4t-2t62SNxubc-Myf3w/profile:mag-996x562

Yup agree. By haplogroup he is Illyrian though (J2b2)

[Veles]

Is this one of Stalin's maps from WW2? It looks like Russia is fucking Poland with a big blue dick.
Honestly, it is not clear who owns this penis. Maybe you underestimate Poland?
If you look at the map, in this process Belarus should be the most confused.:D

[helg]

I am often in both countries and pigmentation wise Russians are only a bit lighter (only northwest/baltic shifted Russians are significantly lighter pigmented). My Russian wife does even not see a difference in pigmentation and she does not even like Ukrainians. Ukrainians have definitely more "Mediterranean / southern" facial structures but they also exist among Russians. Generally it is very hard to tell apart Russians from Ukrainians except of some local types.

If you compare Ukrainians from Kiev, Kharkov, etc. with Russians, then this is not entirely objective. There are studies of autochthonous Russians and autochthonous Ukrainians from villages. Ukrainian studies show that only about 10% of Ukrainians have blond hair by origin, while ethnic Russians have up to 35% of blond hair. The major cities of Ukraine, apart from the west of the country, have a rather strong Russian impurity. Kiev at the beginning of the 20th century was a city that the Russians were the most numerous people. The policy of the USSR assimilated them into Ukrainians, as in cities like Odessa and Kharkov.

[simple user]

Dark Balto-Slavs they have nothing to do with real Slav(South Slavs). According to so some South Slav members they have Turkic blood.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/37/da/9b/37da9b0744d1b36b7bc2b3428a7b2af0.jpg
https://img2.goodfon.ru/original/1280x960/8/87/krasivaya-bryunetka-krasotka.jpg
https://flirt-moscow.ru/uploads/66449/big/f496702d866ae2d712a80dca1bc4fdc2.jpg
http://blog.fotoslavyanok.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Luchshie-foto-slavyanok-1262.jpg
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/asarych/22778039/404079/404079_original.jpg
https://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012012/23/post/krasava/krasava-0028.jpg
http://www.playcast.ru/uploads/2016/03/19/17889110.jpg
https://look.com.ua/pic/201604/1920x1200/look.com.ua-159818.jpg
http://fotoslavyanok.ru/images/u8sfqqurpw8.jpg?crc=4212070094
https://www.nastol.com.ua/pic/201711/960x800/nastol.com.ua-256839.jpg
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-pdb/480866/4ea52df7-b75b-4b31-b0a3-0caa800fc762/s1200?webp=false

[Vožd]

It does not look like a natural hair color.

[Tertius]

authentic slavs

http://slavicstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/polish-girls-wearing-traditional-slavic-dresses.jpg
]

These authentic Slavs look to much Western, they are probably mixed with ethic German population, that lived in Slavic countries. I guess primarily from their cheeks and sharper features.

[Peterski]

https://historum.com/threads/origin-of-slavic-culture.95763/

[Roy]

I'm not sure there is a slavic race.

This thread is getting progressively dumber.

[Pandur]

This thread is getting progressively dumber.

Well there isn't, it's a linguistic group.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Dark Balto-Slavs they have nothing to do with real Slav(South Slavs). According to so some South Slav members they have Turkic blood.

They can easily pass for south Slavs. :rolleyes:

[Septentrion]

I understand that Slavic nations are not purely Slavic, here in Czechia there are many foreign looking individuals. Only 2/3 of all people here consider themselves as ethnic Czechs. But is there anything like "R1a race"?
Are the pics bellow a good representation of East Indo-Europeans?
https://rusmilitary.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/26.jpg
http://darkroom-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/07/AFPGetty-521106037.jpg
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/upload2/2017-03-29/3ba0355fdd457152775d92aabbe858b0.jpg
https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/russian-military-02.jpg

No! There is no Slavic race!!! Slavs are our Indo-European brothers!!

[Arhat]

If you compare Ukrainians from Kiev, Kharkov, etc. with Russians, then this is not entirely objective. There are studies of autochthonous Russians and autochthonous Ukrainians from villages. Ukrainian studies show that only about 10% of Ukrainians have blond hair by origin, while ethnic Russians have up to 35% of blond hair. The major cities of Ukraine, apart from the west of the country, have a rather strong Russian impurity. Kiev at the beginning of the 20th century was a city that the Russians were the most numerous people. The policy of the USSR assimilated them into Ukrainians, as in cities like Odessa and Kharkov.
Ukrainian from big cities are darker in most cases and many people there have Jewish or exotic ancestry ancestry ( the same is true for Russians in big cities). People in Odessa are almost Romanian-like in many cases. Also the entire ethnic russian population is not around 35% blond-haired maybe some subpopulations. Blonde hair is not so frequent there and in most cases it only exist because people dye their hair. Your figure is probably only accurate for the northwest and areas with a big Baltic substrate.

[Peterski]

Wow this is probably how Slavic race will look like in a post-apocalyptic world:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT5-bXQSWy8

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

There is no true Slavic race, unlike say Arabid. It’s mostly Dinarids (South Slavs), Baltids (East Slavs) and a mishmash (West Slavs).

[Septentrion]

I understand that Slavic nations are not purely Slavic, here in Czechia there are many foreign looking individuals. Only 2/3 of all people here consider themselves as ethnic Czechs. But is there anything like "R1a race"?
Are the pics bellow a good representation of East Indo-Europeans?
https://rusmilitary.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/26.jpg
http://darkroom-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/07/AFPGetty-521106037.jpg
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/upload2/2017-03-29/3ba0355fdd457152775d92aabbe858b0.jpg
https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/russian-military-02.jpg

You Slavonic people mainly belong to the Neo Danubian, East Baltid and Ladogan.

[Linebacker]

There was probably a unified Slavic race in the Bronze age, but now that the culture has spread all across Eastern Europe there are many different Slavs with many different genetic groups.

[Roy]

There was probably a unified Slavic race in the Bronze age, but now that the culture has spread all across Eastern Europe there are many different Slavs with many different genetic groups.

Interesting. What are you basing this idea on?

[Linebacker]

Interesting. What are you basing this idea on?

Im basing this idea on the fact that every separate Slavic population (West,South,Northeast) is genetically different.

[Jaromir]

rotfl

United French Nation
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Francophonie2021.png/1200px-Francophonie2021.png

it's a joke! only a small part of so called Slavic ethnicities is owner of Slavic language, others - only Slavic language users, the same with, Portuguese, Spanish etc.

[Aldaris]

rotfl

United French Nation
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Francophonie2021.png/1200px-Francophonie2021.png

it's a joke! only a small part of so called Slavic ethnicities is owner of Slavic language, others - only Slavic language users, the same with, Portuguese, Spanish etc.

It's not the same. You can take yourself, me, Dušan or Rumata and we will be able to trace our ancestry down to a Slavic speaking community. That for one wouldn't work for French and Moroccans, let alone French and blacks.

[Ayetooey]

The distance on k13 between Serbs and Bulgarians is larger than the distance between Irish and Southern Swedes. You can imagine how large the distance is between more geographically distant Slavic groups. Slavic is a linguistic category which originated from a distinct group ancient tribes. These tribes have long dispersed and mixed into various different peoples, and its incorrect to consider these people as the same in 2021.

[Jana]

The distance on k13 between Serbs and Bulgarians is larger than the distance between Irish and Southern Swedes. You can imagine how large the distance is between more geographically distant Slavic groups. Slavic is a linguistic category which originated from a distinct group of tribes ancient. These tribes have long dispersed and mixed into various different peoples, and its incorrect to consider these people as the same in 2021.

I wouldn't say so. Slavic is a ethno-linguistic group. All Slavic speaking groups have a degree of early Slavic ancestry and thus common roots (this is best visible in IBD sharing), in various proportions.


Slavs are a European ethno-linguistic group of people who speak the various Slavic languages of the larger Balto-Slavic linguistic group of the Indo-European languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#:~:text=Slavs%20are%20a%20European%20ethno,o f%20the%20Indo%2DEuropean%20languages.

[Ayetooey]

I wouldn't say so. Slavic is a ethno-linguistic group. All Slavic speaking groups have a degree of early Slavic ancestry and thus common roots (this is best visible in IBD sharing), in various proportions.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#:~:text=Slavs%20are%20a%20European%20ethno,o f%20the%20Indo%2DEuropean%20languages.

I don't deny this shared ancient ancestry of course, its as you said visible in IBD and also in Y dna but the distances are too large to mean anything these days IMO. A Czech is closer to a German, or a Serb to a Romanian, or a Belorussian to a Lithuanian, than they are to each other. These people don't look the same, or plot the same, or even act the same, regardless of their shared ancient ancestry. I guess it just depends on your point of view and what you value.

[Jana]

I don't deny this shared ancient ancestry of course, its as you said visible in IBD and also in Y dna but the distances are too large to mean anything these days IMO. A Czech is closer to a German, or a Serb to a Romanian, or a Belorussian to a Lithuanian, than they are to each other. These people don't look the same, or plot the same, or even act the same, regardless of their shared ancient ancestry. I guess it just depends on your point of view and what you value.

People are always (or mostly) closest to neighbours regardless of linguistic affinity. However thing about Slavs is that literally half of Europe has some degree of Slavic ancestry today. They spread rapidly and in masses, ofcourse assimilating various non Slavic groups in the process. A Bulgarian shares much more recent ancestry with Russian than Irish with Swede despite Irish are much closer to Swedes autosomaly than Russians and Bulgarians are.

[викторслава]

Slavs = r1a + I2a1

this

[Ayetooey]

People are always (or mostly) closest to neighbours regardless of linguistic affinity. However thing about Slavs is that literally half of Europe has some degree of Slavic ancestry today. They spread rapidly and in masses, ofcourse assimilating various non Slavic groups in the process. A Bulgarian shares much more recent ancestry with Russian than Irish with Swede despite Irish are much closer to Swedes autosomaly than Russians and Bulgarians are.

That's true, I would just argue that the two share too much unrelated ancestry at this point to be referred to as the same. But them being part of a shared ethnolinguistic category more broadly is something I wouldn't deny.

[Jana]

That's true, I would just argue that the two share too much unrelated ancestry at this point to be referred to as the same. But them being part of a shared ethnolinguistic category more broadly is something I wouldn't deny.

Fully agree.

[Jana]

double

[Aldaris]

I don't deny this shared ancient ancestry of course, its as you said visible in IBD and also in Y dna but the distances are too large to mean anything these days IMO. A Czech is closer to a German, or a Serb to a Romanian, or a Belorussian to a Lithuanian, than they are to each other. These people don't look the same, or plot the same, or even act the same, regardless of their shared ancient ancestry. I guess it just depends on your point of view and what you value.

A Dutch is closer to a French and a Swede is closer to a Finn then the former are to each other. You can play this game with every ethnic concept, so you either have to ditch all of them or take other things than PCA plot into account. How we generally understand ethnicity is closer to the latter one. And welcome back, while we are there.

[Decius]

You Slavonic people mainly belong to the Neo Danubian, East Baltid and Ladogan.

Bullshit

[Chocolate_Hound]

There is no Slavic race. Mediterranean Slavs are pretty damn different from northern ones.

[Mortimer]

Come to Russia my friend


https://youtu.be/aKtkRAzCRI8

[PeterSlavic]

Typical Pole woman


https://youtu.be/avM6VsDOxt4

What phentype They are? How do you think?

[Arūnas]

^^
Putinoid, not Polish, good joke

[Arūnas]

^^
zis is POlish

https://youtu.be/3fJiP46OSrM

[PeterSlavic]

I living in Poland man! and I see many woman which look like her

111155

[Arūnas]

those came after WW2, Stalin's decree, not only "Kresowiacy", this is why all that birth boom in the after WW2 time

[PeterSlavic]

Who are you wrating about? Veljo?

[Arūnas]

they were from Bashkortostan and other Russian -stans, they were dressed with polish ID from Kresy but not all of them were from Lviv or Pinsk and Vilnius, I know those old people from so called "Recovered Territories", and they don't even speak koń (horse) but łoszadź to this days

[PeterSlavic]

Buy you writing about You or people from music clip?

[Roy]

Ancient Slavs were very archaic looking: meso/dolichocephalic with rather strong browridges (at least compared to modern Slavs) and longish faces.

Average metrics (from Ilse Schwidetzky's Rassenkunde der Altslawen)
https://i.imgur.com/pT8MuUP.jpg
Pigmentation according to Medieval historians:
https://i.imgur.com/wDdvRfu.png

A few skulls:

Nordic/Paleo-Europoid ("Osteuropid", but in dolichocephalic form):
Pommeranian Slavs:
https://i.imgur.com/G2adzok.png
From top to down: Pommeranian, Croatian, Silesian x2, Bosnian, Carinthian (modern Austria), Kuyavian, Russian x2
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-22-sm.jpg
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-23-sm.jpg
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-24-sm.jpg
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-46-sm.jpg
From Poland:
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AY-20150227_180344.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rS5oXoz.png
https://i.imgur.com/Iv6nICk.png
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AY-20150227_180149.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AY-20150227_180255.jpg
Some Proto-Slavs also seemed to be more primitive/Mongoloid influenced too:
From Czechia, Austria:
https://velesova-sloboda.info/images/schwidetzky-rassenkunde-der-altslawen-50-sm.jpg
From Poland:
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AQ-20150227_180303.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/aq-4490439404039.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/AQ-20150227_180158.jpg

Modern Slavs are of course, quite different looking on average because of both mixing with other groups and natural selection within their nations. Modern "average" Slavic look is a mix of the Proto-Slavic phenotypes with the local (usually brachycephalic) ones, so it would be pretty much any generic depigmented or partially depigmented brachycephalic type, from East Baltic to Noric, to Subnordic, all very "typical" and "Slavic looking".

I seriously doubt that those early medieval slavs were mostly blonde. Most of these who reported on them were wogs themselves so for Arab chroniclers anyone who wasn't dark brown or jet black haired was described as 'blonde'.

[Roy]

Typical Pole woman


https://youtu.be/avM6VsDOxt4

What phentype They are? How do you think?

She's not what I call typical.

[PeterSlavic]

Ok Roy so...What phenotype She is for you?

[PeterSlavic]

To my knowledge, such typical Slavs or PrasSlavic people are mix PraNordic subrace with Lappish race. Pranordic race was the old indoeuropean heritage and Lappish race was absorbed when praindoeuopean tribes too over northest and middle lands of Europe!

[Roy]

Ok Roy so...What phenotype She is for you?

I would have to think about it bit longer. The thing that makes her uncommon or even odd looking is how her eyes look. That shape is not typical at all.

[Arūnas]

^^ here typical West Slavic people never touched by Komids or VURs and other nomadians


https://youtu.be/wv86envWFRE

[Harkonnen]

To my knowledge, such typical Slavs or PrasSlavic people are mix PraNordic subrace with Lappish race. Pranordic race was the old indoeuropean heritage and Lappish race was absorbed when praindoeuopean tribes too over northest and middle lands of Europe!

Their facial dimensions.

Lappish
Kylälahti, 13th -14th century Karelia
Bizygomatic diameter, 135.0
Skull breadth, 150.3
Zygomatic index, 0.898204
Upper face height, 73.8

17th - early 19th century White Sea Karelians
Bizygomatic diameter, 135.6
Skull breadth, 144.2
Zygomatic index, 0.94
Upper face height, 72.4

Pranordic
17th-18th century Polotsk fortified settlement, Belarus
Bizygomatic diameter, 129.9
Skull breadth, 143.2
Zygomatic index, 0.907
Upper face height, 69.7

Rural populations 18th-19th centuries Belarus
Lukoml (North)
Bizygomatic diameter, 130.5
Skull breadth, 142.9
Zygomatic index, 0.913
Upper face height, 69.8

Hubichi (South East Belarus)
Bizygomatic diameter, 128.8
Skull breadth, 142.0
Zygomatic index, 0.907
Upper face height, 66.9

Prusy (Central Belarus)
Bizygomatic diameter, 132.7
Skull breadth, 144.0
Zygomatic index, 0.922
Upper face height, 68.9

[PeterSlavic]

Harkonnen

So if I'm reading properly, you agree with me. It's true?

[KirillMazur]

^^
zis is POlish

https://youtu.be/3fJiP46OSrM
Is she considered beautiful in Poland? I do not believe.
She is middle-aged, horsefaced, short legs, breasts look like silicone. The tummy and waist are good, yes. But the mythical "purity" lol.
And the video is plagiary.

(Russian and Georgian girls)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZP_Rv-mBwU

[Arūnas]

lol at "plagiatry" and I bet that Russian clip was not the first with that content
and for me she is perfect, zero percent Komi and/or VUR

[PeterSlavic]

Look like Osetian woman

[PeterSlavic]

https://youtu.be/3fJiP46OSrM

Look like Osetian woman

[KirillMazur]

lol at "plagiatry" and I bet that Russian clip was not the first with that content
Perhaps, I have not seen an earlier prototype.

and for me she is perfect, zero percent Komi and/or VUR
That's right, you should not give up under the onslaught of someone else's opinion.

There is Russian saying (rude) - "У всех свой вкус - сказал индус, снимая с х*я обезъяну".
There is not the case of course, but it is better to be that Indus in life to a certain limit:).

[PeterSlavic]

I think that this picture has no grown old !

https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otton_III_(cesarz_rzymski)#/media/Plik%3A4_Gift_Bringers_of_Otto_III.jpg

light brown hair with red tinge or ashen hair. Not much pale skin and green or brown eyes :-) It is my opinion because travel all over Poland , Czech , Slovakia and Slovenia :-)

[PeterSlavic]

I think that this picture has no grown old!

https://cdn.kastatic.org/ka-perseus-images/0f8f9365193d055f76d95c042ea17776d3171aa0.jpg

light brown hair with red tinge or ashen hair. Not much pale skin and green or brown eyes :-) It is my opinion because travel all over Poland , Czech , Slovakia and Slovenia :-)

[Septentrion]

I understand that Slavic nations are not purely Slavic, here in Czechia there are many foreign looking individuals. Only 2/3 of all people here consider themselves as ethnic Czechs. But is there anything like "R1a race"?
Are the pics bellow a good representation of East Indo-Europeans?
https://rusmilitary.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/26.jpg
http://darkroom-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/07/AFPGetty-521106037.jpg
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/upload2/2017-03-29/3ba0355fdd457152775d92aabbe858b0.jpg
https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/russian-military-02.jpg

Purely Slavic
Poland ( blonde)
Byelorussia (blonde)
Ukraine
North - West ( very blonde)

[Supercomputer]

There's no such thing as a "Slavic Race". Slavic is a linguistic group, but for some reason a lot of people think there is. I wonder why nobody talks about "Romance race".

[Jana]

There's no such thing as a "Slavic Race". Slavic is a linguistic group, but for some reason a lot of people think there is. I wonder why nobody talks about "Romance race".

There is, and Slavic is ethno-lignuistic group. Spread of Slavs has nothing in common with spread of Romance language trough Imperial conquest and administration.
Slavic languages spread together with Slavic DNA, and all Slavs share recent common ancestry.

They just mixed with different peoples they encountered and in different proportions.

[Jana]

Purely Slavic
Poland ( blonde)
Byelorussia (blonde)
Ukraine
North - West ( very blonde)

None of these countries are pred. blond. Stick to western European related stuff.

[Sandman]

There are many races and types in the Slavic peoples.

Poland national football team 2021.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2GJ3C20/soccer-football-world-cup-uefa-qualifiers-group-i-poland-v-england-pge-narodowy-warsaw-poland-september-8-2021-poland-players-during-their-national-anthem-before-the-match-reuterskacper-pempel-2GJ3C20.jpg

Russian team
https://sillyseason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Russia-Euro-2020-Squad-Russia-National-Team-For-Euro-2021.jpg

Serbian team
https://cdnuploads.aa.com.tr/uploads/Contents/2021/11/17/thumbs_b_c_94fc94349771322586ebaef99c596cd6.jpg?v= 055623

[Sandman]

Hungarian actress Eszter Balla, i think she looks text book slavic girl:

http://cdn.nwmgroups.hu/s/img/i/1610/20161027balla-eszter-szineszno-az-otthonaban10.jpg?w=644&h=429

https://static.femina.hu/hazai_sztar/balla_eszter_kontroll_macilany/10.jpg

http://media.borsonline.hu/cikk/10/99720/big-lead/650x360/99686.jpg

A relatively rare phenotype in Poland, it exists here but does not dominate.

[Sandman]

A random crowd of Polish women.

https://images.thestar.com/r-2M2OZk12513HUt_-mhj1n5u9o=/1086x790/smart/filters:cb(2700061000)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2016/10/03/polish-women-flood-streets-in-nationwide-strike-to-protest-proposed-abortion-ban/poland-abortionjpg.jpg

[Perunovsin]

A relatively rare phenotype in Poland, it exists here but does not dominate.

What, north pontid? Lol

[Sandman]

What, north pontid? Lol

She is not a North Pontid type. Besides, North Pontid type does not dominate in Poland. It is more common in southern Russia and eastern and southern Ukrain

[Perunovsin]

She is not a North Pontid type. Besides, North Pontid type does not dominate in Poland. It is more common in southern Russia and eastern and southern Ukrain

What is she then? Whatever, you need to get more N. Pontid, would make you much cooler

[Jana]

What is she then? Whatever, you need to get more N. Pontid, would make you much cooler

Indeed, that is not a North Pontid type, no Nordid influence whatsoever. Looks like very gracilized Pontid Med with light eyes, even some full Ashkenazi Jews can look like that.

[Perunovsin]

Indeed, that is not a North Pontid type, no Nordid influence whatsoever. Looks like very gracilized Pontid Med with light eyes, even some full Ashkenazi Jews can look like that.
Change your ethnicity to Beach Slavic

[Jana]

Change your ethnicity to Beach Slavic

but why?

I had Sea Slavic before :P

[Roy]

Is Slavic race an actual thing?

[Perunovsin]

but why?

I had Sea Slavic before :P

Bcs ur hot

[Jana]

Bcs ur hot

Thanks.

[Supercomputer]

There is, and Slavic is ethno-lignuistic group. Spread of Slavs has nothing in common with spread of Romance language trough Imperial conquest and administration.
Slavic languages spread together with Slavic DNA, and all Slavs share recent common ancestry.

They just mixed with different peoples they encountered and in different proportions.

Genetic differences among Slavic nations is severe. If you ask me Macedonians are a different race than Belarusians. And let's not even talk about cultural differences. Hungarians are genetically very similar to Slavs yet they're not a Slavic speaking group. Bulgarians on the other hand are the opposite.

[Jana]

Genetic differences among Slavic nations is severe.
Only because Slavs inhabit area from arctic sea to the aegean. All Slavs share closely related recent medieval ancestry that's visible in IBD sharing and haplogroups tmrca.


If you ask me Macedonians are a different race than Belarusians.
Belarusians are closest nation to early Slavs overall while Macedonians have about 30-35% of early Slavic ancestry.


And let's not even talk about cultural differences.
Nothing to do with DNA.


Hungarians are genetically very similar to Slavs yet they're not a Slavic speaking group.
They are genetically around 50-55% early Slavic on average, individuals can be much more than that, so no wonder. They have more Slavic ancestry than anything else.


Bulgarians on the other hand are the opposite.
Incorrect. Bulgarians are around 40% early Slavic on average and are closely related to Macedonian Slavs, Slavs of northern Greece, southeastern Serbs and Romanians, who also have significant Slavic input.

[Dragoon]

When I think of Slavs a few types of looks come to mind. Its not a clear picture but you get the idea based on headshape, nose, hair, eyes. In many cases seeing Slavs in a multiethnic place is somewhat easy and in a multiracial place very easy.

[Supercomputer]

Belarusians are closest nation to early Slavs overall while Macedonians have about 30-35% of early Slavic ancestry.

That's kind of my point. They are quite distinct looking.


All Slavs share closely related recent medieval ancestry that's visible in IBD sharing and haplogroups tmrca..

Sharing genetic ancestry doesn't necessarily makes it a race. Being a distinct cluster makes you a race

Not really a distinct cluster from surrounding groups, is it?

https://i.postimg.cc/Mpn7gChc/SLAVS.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Jana]

Not really a distinct cluster from surrounding groups, is it?

https://i.postimg.cc/Mpn7gChc/SLAVS.png (https://postimages.org/)

Nobody mentioned any distinct cluster. And PCAs don't tell much. Bulgarian shares lot more recent ancestry with Belorussian than Swede does, yet Swedes will be closer to Belorussians on PCA because in Bulgaria Slavs mixed with something very different from what they were, while all northern Europeans, be them Germanic or Balto-Slavic, have similar deep origins.

Think of it like this: a mestizo is half Spanish, but he will be genetically further away from Spaniards than French or Italians are, despite these 2 later are not Spanish at all. :)

[Arūnas]

Russia is full of VURians and other Komi-Yakuts

[Harkonnen]

Russia is full of VURians and other Komi-Yakuts

From where I stand (and yes I can't stand) full of Pollocks.

[Perunovsin]

From where I stand (and yes I can't stand) full of Pollocks.

Wtf, you're handicapped?

[Harkonnen]

Wtf, you're handicapped?

Nah I'm just getting very weary of this dumbass Pollandian Oirishman. You can tell this dude has eaten lot of cabbage in his time.

[Perunovsin]

Nah I'm just getting very of this dumbass Pollandian Oirishman. You can tell this dude has eaten lot of cabbage in his time.

He is a special one

[Arūnas]

x 2

[Arūnas]

I only read Komintasavalta and Travv -the Finno-Russian squad on here

[KirillMazur]

Russia is full of VURians and other Komi-Yakuts
Should we have killed them all when expanding to the East, so that some forum troll from a Polish village, sitting on a farted chair could approve of some mythical "race purity"?:) This is unlikely, we are not some kind of westerners (thank God).

[Arūnas]

Should we have killed them all when expanding to the East, so that some forum troll from a Polish village, sitting on a farted chair could approve of some mythical "race purity"?:) This is unlikely, we are not some kind of westerners (thank God).

never said or thought anything like that, it just exclude your country from Slavic family, like Mozambique people are not Portuguese when speaking that language

[KirillMazur]

never said or thought anything like that, it just exclude your country from Slavic family, like Mozambique people are not Portuguese when speaking that language
There are islands of pure Slavic culture in every Slavic country, and in racial terms, everyone has one or another amount of substrate - Finnic, Baltic, Proto-Iranic, Germanic, Jewish, Turkic, Paleo-Balkan, just due to territory occupied.
Stop already with your policy of separation.
https://i.postimg.cc/7PKx6pdH/Am.jpg

[Harkonnen]

never said or thought anything like that, it just exclude your country from Slavic family, like Mozambique people are not Portuguese when speaking that language

lol it is pretty obvious ethnic Slavic Russians are for the most part almost pure Slavic genetically, but hey if 1 or 2 percent what you label Finno-Ugric makes them totally despicable people to the noble Polish people, I'll be sure to know who are the real enemies of Finnics, and be sure to return the favor to Polish sewer rats like you.

[Harkonnen]

There are islands of pure Slavic culture in every Slavic country, and in racial terms, everyone has one or another amount of substrate - Finnic, Baltic, Proto-Iranic, Germanic, Jewish, Turkic, Paleo-Balkan, just due to territory occupied.
Stop already with your policy of separation.

Funniest part is that the dude doesn't even want to be Polish. Pains him he is not noble West Euro. But thank god he can claim belongings to most noble Atlantid race.

[Arūnas]

lol it is pretty obvious ethnic Slavic Russians are for the most part almost pure Slavic genetically, but hey if 1 or 2 percent what you label Finno-Ugric makes them totally despicable people to the noble Polish people, I'll be sure to know who are the real enemies of Finnics, and be sure to return the favor to Polish sewer rats like you.
2% - good joke,
and,
poor Estonians, they're on "wrong side"
Estonia sending almost 100 Defense Forces members to Poland
https://news.err.ee/1608408449/estonia-sending-almost-100-defense-forces-members-to-poland

[Harkonnen]

2% - good joke,
and,
poor Estonians, they're on "wrong side"
Estonia sending almost 100 Defense Forces members to Poland
https://news.err.ee/1608408449/estonia-sending-almost-100-defense-forces-members-to-poland

You are one annoying little piece of shit aren't you.

[Arūnas]

I see Vyacheslav is posting all those 2% here ->>> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?355977-Uralic-people-from-Finland

[Supercomputer]

Think of it like this: a mestizo is half Spanish, but he will be genetically further away from Spaniards than French or Italians are, despite these 2 later are not Spanish at all. :)

That's because a mestizo has Native American DNA which are very distant from European Spaniards. A mestizo is not Spanish, he's a mongrel. He isn't even White, much less Spanish. That's why a Spaniard having a child with a Frenchman is more acceptable than a Spaniard having a child with a mestizo. The first isn't race mixing, the second is.

Slavs are a linguistic group. If they didn't speak the languages they speak, nobody would call them a race. Recent ancestry doesn't matter if you've mixed with a group that's very distinct. You're not necessarily a race just because you share recent ancestry with someone. By your logic, mullatoes are closer to Blacks or Whites than with other mullatoes.

If a multiracial couple has a child, none of the parents are genetically close enough to the child to be compatible for bone marrow transplant to treat leukaemia so the child has to get the marrow from some other mulatto despite not being "ancestrally " connected to him at all. That's why race mixing is wrong, because you're not even genetically close to your own child.

[Jana]

That's because a mestizo has Native American DNA which are very distant from European Spaniards. A mestizo is not Spanish, he's a mongrel. He isn't even White, much less Spanish.

Incorrect. I said mestizo is half Spanish, while Italian or Frenchman is zero Spanish. Those are facts. And PCA can't show that.
Same analogy for Bulgarians who are significantly Slavic derived, but they would plot far away from early Slavs on PCAs.


That's why a Spaniard having a child with a Frenchman is more acceptable than a Spaniard having a child with a mestizo. The first isn't race mixing, the second is.
Irrelevant. I used analogy to explain how DNA works, not to debate race mixing.


Slavs are a linguistic group. If they didn't speak the languages they speak, nobody would call them a race. Recent ancestry doesn't matter if you've mixed with a group that's very distinct.
Slavs are ethno-linguistic group. Deal with it and move on.

Slavs are an ethno-linguistic group of people who speak the various Slavic languages of the larger Balto-Slavic linguistic group of the Indo-European languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs

So yes, early Slavs were well defined "race". Modern Slavs are mixed, but they didn't get Slavic languages by mere accident.


If a multiracial couple has a child, none of the parents are genetically close enough to the child to be compatible for bone marrow transplant to treat leukaemia so the child has to get the marrow from some other mulatto despite not being "ancestrally " connected to him at all. That's why race mixing is wrong, because you're not even genetically close to your own child.

Don't care about it, I am against race mixing and that is offtopic. You said Slavs are just a linguistic group like Romance peoples are, and that is incorrect.
Because Slavic and Romance languages spread in a very different ways. Fullstop.

[Jana]

Also, just because Belarussians are indeed closest modern Slavs to early Slavs it does not mean they are pure Slavs either, because they are not. They have significant Baltic substratum.
However Balts were very closely related with early Slavs and their DNA was very close as well. Thus Baltic admixture won't much impact closeness of Belarussians to early Slavs at all.

It's like mixing with your first cousin.

Bulgarians however mixed with Thracians and Eastern Romans, who were radically different from early Slavs in DNA, hence they drifted much further away on PCAs.
And of course, Belarussians have significantly more early Slavic percentage than Bulgarians do regardless of whom they mixed with.

But even if they had equal amount of early Slav (50% for each let's imagine) and one mixed with Balt while other with Byzantine, result of each mix would be very different yet both will be half Slavic.

[KirillMazur]

Funniest part is that the dude doesn't even want to be Polish. Pains him he is not noble West Euro. But thank god he can claim belongings to most noble Atlantid race.
DNA genealogy is a terrible invention. Yesterday a man slept peacefully and believed in his "purity" and superiority, but today he learned that he is 10% Med, 1.5% East Asian and 1% Jewish.
That's all, life for many of these people is ruined - now they will all the time seek approval from those who, in their own opinion, are "purer and nobler" than themselves.

[Creoda]

That's because a mestizo has Native American DNA which are very distant from European Spaniards. A mestizo is not Spanish, he's a mongrel. He isn't even White, much less Spanish. That's why a Spaniard having a child with a Frenchman is more acceptable than a Spaniard having a child with a mestizo. The first isn't race mixing, the second is.

Slavs are a linguistic group. If they didn't speak the languages they speak, nobody would call them a race. Recent ancestry doesn't matter if you've mixed with a group that's very distinct. You're not necessarily a race just because you share recent ancestry with someone. By your logic, mullatoes are closer to Blacks or Whites than with other mullatoes.

If a multiracial couple has a child, none of the parents are genetically close enough to the child to be compatible for bone marrow transplant to treat leukaemia so the child has to get the marrow from some other mulatto despite not being "ancestrally " connected to him at all. That's why race mixing is wrong, because you're not even genetically close to your own child.
I remember seeing stats that parents of race-mixed children are much less providing/caring for them than parents of single-race children on average. Unsurprising, that you would identify less with a child that looks nothing like you and your parents (and vice versa), and probably acts differently. Sad but true.

[Supercomputer]

Incorrect. I said mestizo is half Spanish, while Italian or Frenchman is zero Spanish. Those are facts. And PCA can't show that.
Same analogy for Bulgarians who are significantly Slavic derived, but they would plot far away from early Slavs on PCAs.
Slavs are ethno-linguistic group. Deal with it and move on.

I think the "ethno" in ethno linguistic in Wikipedia refers to culture. The left wing definitions of "ethnic" has nothing to do with race. They call a Black Italian an Italian.

Here we have a philosophical disagreement of what constitutes a "race". Is it recent ancestry or genetic cluster? By your definition a White father is the same race as his mullatto son. It's recent ancestry so why not? By my definition, he is a different race because he clusters farther away.

[Jana]

I think the "ethno" in ethno linguistic in Wikipedia refers to culture. The left wing definitions of "ethnic" has nothing to do with race. They call a Black Italian an Italian.

Here we have a philosophical disagreement of what constitutes a "race". Is it recent ancestry or genetic cluster? By your definition a White father is the same race as his mullatto son. It's recent ancestry so why not? By my definition, he is a different race because he clusters farther away.

No, ethno-linguistic means it has both ethnic and linguistic element. Black or Italian or a Swede or Japanese who learn Slavic language will never be ethnic Slavs.
To be a Slav you need to speak Slavic language and belong to one of Slavic ethnic groups.

Thus it was never just a linguistic group.

[PeterSlavic]

If you ever checked Slav people genetic test resaluts on the internet you know that We, The Slavs are very hermetic People. 90% Slavs have the same sources of orgin!

[rothaer]

I remember seeing stats that parents of race-mixed children are much less providing/caring for them than parents of single-race children on average. Unsurprising, that you would identify less with a child that looks nothing like you and your parents (and vice versa), and probably acts differently. Sad but true.

I guess this is applicable, but want nevertheless to point out another possible explanation.

People that currently racemix (so I mean not two mulattos breeding a mulatto) are imo over average not caring for things and also somewhat violating social rules. Such a selection will likely also be less caring for their children.

[Supercomputer]

No, ethno-linguistic means it has both ethnic and linguistic element. Black or Italian or a Swede or Japanese who learn Slavic language will never be ethnic Slavs.
To be a Slav you need to speak Slavic language and belong to one of Slavic ethnic groups.

Thus it was never just a linguistic group.

Why do you want to be Slavic so much? Croatia is much closer to Hungary than to Serbia. It's only the language that connects you to Serbia. IMO languages are irrelevant. What matters is DNA and culture/mentality.