My Eurogenes K13

[FilhoV]

Re-uploaded using new file with newest raw data upload using AncestryDNA (I got a test for Christmas).

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013


Admix Results (sorted)

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.18
2 West_Med 26.89
3 East_Med 14.93
4 Baltic 9.47
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Red_Sea 3.3
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.2
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.02
9 Spanish_Cataluna 5.75
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.02
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.9
12 North_Italian 8.19
13 Southwest_French 9.52
14 French 12.16
15 Tuscan 13.65
16 West_German 18.27
17 South_Dutch 18.27
18 French_Basque 19.58
19 West_Sicilian 19.94
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Sandawe @ 1.85
2 85.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.2% Moroccan @ 1.87
3 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Sudanese @ 1.87
4 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.88
5 85.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.92
6 98.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.9% San @ 1.93
7 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Hadza @ 1.93
8 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 1.95
9 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.98
10 97.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.1% Maasai @ 1.99
11 86.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.3% Egyptian @ 1.99
12 87.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 12.1% Tunisian @ 2.02
13 95.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.5% Tunisian @ 2.03
14 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.03
15 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.05
16 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Algerian @ 2.06
17 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Luhya @ 2.06
18 98.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.09
19 85.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.3% Algerian @ 2.1
20 95.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.13


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.612180


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Tuscan @ 2.479211


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Portuguese + Portuguese + West_Sicilian @ 2.278877
2 North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.336121
3 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.359278
4 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.381572
5 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.427571
6 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + West_Sicilian @ 2.431039
7 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.434976
8 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.448286
9 North_Italian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.449110
10 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.450305
11 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.460699
12 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Sicilian @ 2.475215
13 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.476262
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Tuscan @ 2.479211
15 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.479599
16 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.480093
17 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Sicilian @ 2.481961
18 Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.483450
19 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.484588
20 North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.484959

Done.

[Rgvgjhvv]

So Portuguese regularly have small amount of SSA but what's the theory of how/when this came to be in the modern population?

[CommonSense]

So Portuguese regularly have small amount of SSA but what's the theory of how/when this came to be in the modern population?

Portuguese were the first to colonise Africa, it shouldn't be that surprising to find some individuals with minor SSA.

[Vasconcelos]

So the same as before?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Portuguese were the first to colonise Africa, it shouldn't be that surprising to find some individuals with minor SSA.

That's the other way round though

[Vasconcelos]

That's the other way round though

It's related to north African ancestry, if you add them as a reference in G25 models that SSA generally goes away. It's probably not simply real and minor SSA, a good part of it might actually be Iberomaurusian which used to be read as SSA before this reference was included in the models, given it's a more ancient branch of AMHs than other Eurasian ancestry.

Here's an example of what I mean

[1] "distance%=2.5308 / distance=0.025308"

Moroccan:MCA9

Iberomaurusian 40.6
Barcin_N 34.5
Levant_N 10.9
Yamnaya_Samara 9.7
Yoruba 4.3


Edit: Note that this obviously is unrelated to the colonial era, those SSA+NE Africa components in K13/K15 exist all over Iberia in varying frequencies, including in Asturias and Cantabria

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.75
2 West_Med 25.64
3 East_Med 14.09
4 Baltic 11.57
5 West_Asian 4.55
6 Red_Sea 2.76
7 Northeast_African 2.5
8 Siberian 0.93
9 Oceanian 0.77
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 2.93
2 Spanish_Extremadura 3.73
3 Spanish_Galicia 4.46
4 Spanish_Murcia 4.54
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.65
6 Spanish_Andalucia 5.1
7 Spanish_Cataluna 5.16
8 Spanish_Valencia 5.47
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.68
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.18
11 North_Italian 7.36
12 Spanish_Aragon 8.77
13 Southwest_French 9.16
14 French 10.16
15 Tuscan 13.28
16 West_German 15.98
17 South_Dutch 16.11
18 Romanian 18.95
19 Serbian 19.21
20 West_Sicilian 19.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.4% Portuguese + 4.6% Balkar @ 1.88
2 96.1% Portuguese + 3.9% Abhkasian @ 1.9
3 95.7% Portuguese + 4.3% North_Ossetian @ 1.92
4 95.5% Portuguese + 4.5% Kabardin @ 1.93
5 95.7% Portuguese + 4.3% Ossetian @ 1.93
6 96% Portuguese + 4% Georgian @ 1.94
7 95.7% Portuguese + 4.3% Adygei @ 1.95
8 95.5% Portuguese + 4.5% Kumyk @ 2.02
9 95.8% Portuguese + 4.2% Chechen @ 2.07
10 80.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 19.6% Serbian @ 2.09
11 95.3% Portuguese + 4.7% Nogay @ 2.1
12 95.9% Portuguese + 4.1% Armenian @ 2.11
13 95.1% Portuguese + 4.9% Turkish @ 2.12
14 96% Portuguese + 4% Lezgin @ 2.13
15 79.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 20.6% Bulgarian @ 2.15
16 83.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 16.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.18
17 96.1% Portuguese + 3.9% Kurdish @ 2.18
18 95.8% Portuguese + 4.2% Azeri @ 2.2
19 96.2% Portuguese + 3.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.2
20 96.1% Portuguese + 3.9% Tabassaran @ 2.2


Your component percentages are almost identical to mine. We are indeed a homogeneous bunch.

[Vasconcelos]

Your component percentages are almost identical to mine. We are indeed a homogeneous bunch.

Not too homogenous, there's still a bit of variation, enough to be hard to pinpoint one's exact peninsular origins.
Here's mine, I basically get Cantabrian with West Iberian levels of NA ancestry



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.42
2 West_Med 28.51
3 East_Med 12.04
4 Baltic 9.58
5 Red_Sea 4.47
6 Northeast_African 2.6
7 Sub-Saharan 1.13
8 West_Asian 1.05
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.58
11 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.11
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.29
3 Spanish_Extremadura 3.6
4 Spanish_Galicia 3.86
5 Spanish_Murcia 3.9
6 Portuguese 4.32
7 Spanish_Andalucia 4.39
8 Spanish_Cantabria 4.42
9 Spanish_Valencia 5.02
10 Spanish_Aragon 5.35
11 Spanish_Cataluna 5.65
12 Southwest_French 6.86
13 North_Italian 11.6
14 French 12.2
15 French_Basque 16.35
16 Tuscan 17.31
17 South_Dutch 18.17
18 West_German 18.65
19 Southwest_English 21.98
20 Southeast_English 22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 10.2% Moroccan @ 1.9
2 89.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 10.2% Algerian @ 2.02
3 90% Spanish_Cantabria + 10% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.11
4 94% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 6% Moroccan @ 2.16
5 90.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 9.7% Tunisian @ 2.19
6 92% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 8% Sardinian @ 2.21
7 94.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.22
8 97.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.8% Somali @ 2.24
9 97.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.7% Maasai @ 2.25
10 97% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 3% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.26
11 96.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 3.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.27
12 97.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.8% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 2.28
13 94.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5.8% Algerian @ 2.28
14 94.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 5.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.32
15 92.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 7.4% Egyptian @ 2.33
16 97.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.6% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 2.33
17 97.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.6% Sandawe @ 2.34
18 94.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 5.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.37
19 94.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5.3% Tunisian @ 2.38
20 97.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.2% Sudanese @ 2.42




And here's the same Eurogenes K13 using the newer references from yourdnaportal


Population Percentage
North_Atlantic 38.75%
Baltic 9.32%
West Mediterranean 29.60%
West Asian 2.05%
East Mediterranean 10.59%
Red Sea 4.47%
South Asian 0.00%
East Asian 1.06%
Siberian 0.00%
Amerindian 0.00%
Oceanian 0.00%
Northeast African 2.88%
Sub-Saharan 1.28%


Population Distance
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.4143785
Spanish_Extremadura 0.4916182
Spanish_Cantabria 0.5010813
Spanish_Galicia 0.5182787
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.5205148
Spanish_Andalucia 0.530732
Spanish_Murcia 0.5964667
Portuguese 0.6176812


Population Value
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 23.8
Spanish_Galicia 21
Spanish_Cantabria 18.2
Spanish_Extremadura 14.6
French_Basque 8.2
Sardinian 4.6
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.6
Southwest_French 1.6
Stuttgart 0.8
Mozabite_Berber 0.6
Algerian 0.2
Bantu_SW 0.2
Dai 0.2
Ethiopian_Gumuz 0.2
Hadza 0.2
Mbuti_Pygmy 0.2
San 0.2
Sandawe 0.2
Tunisian 0.2
Yizu 0.2

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Not too homogenous, there's still a bit of variation, enough to be hard to pinpoint one's exact peninsular origins.
Here's mine, I basically get Cantabrian with West Iberian levels of NA ancestry

We are so homogeneous that slight variances in the percentages is all that differentiates between Portugal, Galiza, Extremadura, Castilla y Leon, etc. Those regions have minimal genetic drifts.

Look at my girlfriend's Oracle:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.796878
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.822976
3 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.830651
4 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.871677
5 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.880531
6 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.932557
7 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.933798
8 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.934674
9 Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.940674
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.945736
11 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.964675
12 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.964771
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.966176
14 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.973461
15 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979229
16 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979935
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.984151
18 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.985350
19 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.986398
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.986409



Literally only Iberian samples and all with close approximations! You don't find anything even remotely identical in other regions of Europe.

[Vasconcelos]

We are so homogeneous that slight variances in the percentages is all that differentiates between Portugal, Galiza, Extremadura, Castilla y Leon, etc. Those regions have minimal genetic drifts.

Look at my girlfriend's Oracle:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.796878
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.822976
3 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.830651
4 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.871677
5 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.880531
6 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.932557
7 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.933798
8 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.934674
9 Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.940674
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.945736
11 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.964675
12 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.964771
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.966176
14 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.973461
15 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979229
16 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979935
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.984151
18 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.985350
19 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.986398
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.986409



Literally only Iberian samples and all with close approximations! You don't find anything even remotely identical in other regions of Europe.

I don't find that very surprising, Portuguese overlap a good deal of Spain, and Iberians in particular are rather unique. Which is what I mean when I say we have a good deal of variation, I don't think we Portuguese are very homogenous.

Portuguese in medium blue
https://i.postimg.cc/1sNGxL7R/westeurasiapca-zoomiberia.png



NW Europeans overlap each other a lot too
https://i.postimg.cc/yBqByXbQ/west-eurasian-pca-g25.png

[Pedro Ruben]

Population Percent

1 North_Atlantic - 36.29
2 West_Med - 23.67
3 East_Med - 13.8
4 Baltic - 12.4
5 Red_Sea - 4.88
6 Sub-Saharan - 2.95
7 Northeast_African - 2.41
8 West_Asian - 1.85
9 Amerindian - 1.19
10 Siberian - 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 3.92
2 Spanish_Galicia 4.58
3 Spanish_Extremadura 5.07
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.62
5 Spanish_Murcian 6.01
6 Spanish_Cataluna 6.94
7 Spanish_Valencia 7.46
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.81
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.09
10 Spanish_Cantabria 8.64
11 North_Italian 9.32
12 French 10.13
13 Spanish_Aragon 10.57
14 Southwest_French 10.63
15 Tuscan 14.39
16 West_German 15.74
17 South_Dutch 15.82
18 Serbian 18.89
19 Romanian 18.98
20 Austrian 19.52


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.8% Portuguese + 3.2% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.51
2 96.8% Portuguese + 3.2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.53
3 96.9% Portuguese + 3.1% Luhya @ 2.53
4 96.7% Portuguese + 3.3% San @ 2.56
5 97.1% Portuguese + 2.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.57
6 97.2% Portuguese + 2.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.62
7 97.3% Portuguese + 2.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.63
8 97.4% Portuguese + 2.6% Mandenka @ 2.66
9 96.3% Portuguese + 3.7% Sandawe @ 2.68
10 97.6% Portuguese + 2.4% Yoruban @ 2.73
11 96.4% Portuguese + 3.6% Maasai @ 2.77
12 96.9% Portuguese + 3.1% Sudanese @ 2.84
13 97.1% Portuguese + 2.9% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.93
14 92.5% Portuguese + 7.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.94
15 92.5% Portuguese + 7.5% Algerian @ 2.97
16 92.9% Portuguese + 7.1% Tunisian @ 3
17 97% Portuguese + 3% Hadza @ 3.01
18 93% Portuguese + 7% Moroccan @ 3.07
19 92.8% Spanish_Galicia + 7.2% Egyptian @ 3.1
20 96.5% Portuguese + 3.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.14

[Vasconcelos]

Population Percent

1 North_Atlantic - 36.29
2 West_Med - 23.67
3 East_Med - 13.8
4 Baltic - 12.4
5 Red_Sea - 4.88
6 Sub-Saharan - 2.95
7 Northeast_African - 2.41
8 West_Asian - 1.85
9 Amerindian - 1.19
10 Siberian - 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 3.92
2 Spanish_Galicia 4.58
3 Spanish_Extremadura 5.07
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.62
5 Spanish_Murcian 6.01
6 Spanish_Cataluna 6.94
7 Spanish_Valencia 7.46
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.81
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.09
10 Spanish_Cantabria 8.64
11 North_Italian 9.32
12 French 10.13
13 Spanish_Aragon 10.57
14 Southwest_French 10.63
15 Tuscan 14.39
16 West_German 15.74
17 South_Dutch 15.82
18 Serbian 18.89
19 Romanian 18.98
20 Austrian 19.52


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.8% Portuguese + 3.2% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.51
2 96.8% Portuguese + 3.2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.53
3 96.9% Portuguese + 3.1% Luhya @ 2.53
4 96.7% Portuguese + 3.3% San @ 2.56
5 97.1% Portuguese + 2.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.57
6 97.2% Portuguese + 2.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.62
7 97.3% Portuguese + 2.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.63
8 97.4% Portuguese + 2.6% Mandenka @ 2.66
9 96.3% Portuguese + 3.7% Sandawe @ 2.68
10 97.6% Portuguese + 2.4% Yoruban @ 2.73
11 96.4% Portuguese + 3.6% Maasai @ 2.77
12 96.9% Portuguese + 3.1% Sudanese @ 2.84
13 97.1% Portuguese + 2.9% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.93
14 92.5% Portuguese + 7.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.94
15 92.5% Portuguese + 7.5% Algerian @ 2.97
16 92.9% Portuguese + 7.1% Tunisian @ 3
17 97% Portuguese + 3% Hadza @ 3.01
18 93% Portuguese + 7% Moroccan @ 3.07
19 92.8% Spanish_Galicia + 7.2% Egyptian @ 3.1
20 96.5% Portuguese + 3.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.14
Epah vocês têm todos pouco North Atlantic no K13, mas também estão mais próximos da nossa referência


A tua família é de onde, só por curiosidade?

[Pedro Ruben]

Olá! Pois, não sei quais são os valores para os Portugueses... a minha família é toda do concelho de Amarante, distrito do Porto. E a tua? Guarda?

[Vasconcelos]

Olá! Pois, não sei quais são os valores para os Portugueses... a minha família é toda do concelho de Amarante, distrito do Porto. E a tua? Guarda?

Ok, obrigado, é sempre bom ter uma ideia de onde a família é para ver se há padrões ou não. A minha família paterna é de Mangualde e Viseu. A materna essencialmente de Gondomar e Cinfães (com uns pozinhos do Porto e S. João da Pesqueira)


O que devíamos fazer, e nisso o FilhoV é que pode ajudar muito, é processar os resultados no K13 (ou K15, mas o 13 é considerado superior) de todos os kits Portugueses sobre os quais temos conhecimento das origens. De pois tentavamos ver se é possível tirar algumas conclusões sobre variações geográficas ou não.
Melhor ainda era fazer isso no Global25, mas para isso é preciso pagar 12USD e as maior parte das pessoas não está para isso, nem sabe o que é nem para que serve.


Oh FilhoV, se puderes podes sempre mandar uma lista dos kits com a sua origem (em excel, por exemplo) que eu vou fazendo isso

[FilhoV]

Portuguese people are very homogenous but we do have some variation this is the result from Pico and it’s very drifted from me

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281769-Gedmatch-from-Pico-island-Azores-PORTUGAL

[Damião de Góis]

Ok, obrigado, é sempre bom ter uma ideia de onde a família é para ver se há padrões ou não. A minha família paterna é de Mangualde e Viseu. A materna essencialmente de Gondomar e Cinfães (com uns pozinhos do Porto e S. João da Pesqueira)


O que devíamos fazer, e nisso o FilhoV é que pode ajudar muito, é processar os resultados no K13 (ou K15, mas o 13 é considerado superior) de todos os kits Portugueses sobre os quais temos conhecimento das origens. De pois tentavamos ver se é possível tirar algumas conclusões sobre variações geográficas ou não.
Melhor ainda era fazer isso no Global25, mas para isso é preciso pagar 12USD e as maior parte das pessoas não está para isso, nem sabe o que é nem para que serve.


Oh FilhoV, se puderes podes sempre mandar uma lista dos kits com a sua origem (em excel, por exemplo) que eu vou fazendo isso

Se fizeres alguma compilação avisa que eu entro também!

[Hyoga7]

AVEIRO


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.02
2 West_Med 23.71
3 East_Med 15.39
4 Baltic 11.85
5 Red_Sea 3.01
6 Sub-Saharan 2.88
7 West_Asian 1.1
8 East_Asian 1.07
9 South_Asian 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.46
11 Amerindian 0.4
12 Siberian 0.29
13 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 3.65
2 Spanish_Murcia 4.41
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.7
4 Spanish_Galicia 4.76
5 Spanish_Cataluna 4.78
6 Spanish_Extremadura 4.99
7 Spanish_Valencia 5.18
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.79
9 Spanish_Andalucia 7.11
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.67
11 Spanish_Aragon 8.82
12 French 9.48
13 North_Italian 9.66
14 Southwest_French 9.7
15 Tuscan 15.08
16 South_Dutch 15.41
17 West_German 15.47
18 Southeast_English 19.61
19 Austrian 20.11
20 Serbian 20.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 9.7% Tunisian @ 3
2 90.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 9.8% Algerian @ 3.06
3 98.3% Portuguese + 1.7% Yoruban @ 3.07
4 98.3% Portuguese + 1.7% Mandenka @ 3.11
5 90.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 9.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.12
6 98.3% Portuguese + 1.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 3.17
7 98.3% Portuguese + 1.7% Bantu_S.E. @ 3.19
8 98.4% Portuguese + 1.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 3.27
9 92.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 7.2% Egyptian @ 3.27
10 94.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 5.8% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.33
11 98.4% Portuguese + 1.6% Luhya @ 3.33
12 98.4% Portuguese + 1.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 3.33
13 93.1% Spanish_Murcia + 6.9% Belorussian @ 3.37
14 91.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.8% Moroccan @ 3.39
15 93.1% Spanish_Murcia + 6.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.4
16 93% Spanish_Murcia + 7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.4
17 98.6% Portuguese + 1.4% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 3.42
18 93.2% Spanish_Murcia + 6.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.43
19 88.9% Spanish_Murcia + 11.1% Hungarian @ 3.43
20 93.2% Spanish_Murcia + 6.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.44

[Vasconcelos]

Pronto, eu é que sou o estranho aqui que so tenho Portugal em 6o quase à mesma distância do 8o (Cantabria). Se calhar é por ter por ter origens mais no interior que vocês

[Hyoga7]

Pronto, eu é que sou o estranho aqui que so tenho Portugal em 6o quase à mesma distância do 8o (Cantabria). Se calhar é por ter por ter origens mais no interior que vocês

LOL...as minhas origens são mesmo da "gente rude do campo"------(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnB40O8reV8). :)

[Hyoga7]

A vocês que são mais entendidos nisto, gostava de vos perguntar:

- vendo os meus haplogrupos (Y-Dna e MtDna) e os resultados do Eurogenes K13, consegue-se tirar alguma conclusão?
- é um grande tiro no escuro, mas será que algum dia a ciência poderia estimar a data de chegada a Portugal?

Obrigado!

[Vasconcelos]

LOL...as minhas origens são mesmo da "gente rude do campo"------(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnB40O8reV8). :)

Também eu, com muito orgulho! Nós é que somos os originais!


A vocês que são mais entendidos nisto, gostava de vos perguntar:

- vendo os meus haplogrupos (Y-Dna e MtDna) e os resultados do Eurogenes K13, consegue-se tirar alguma conclusão?
- é um grande tiro no escuro, mas será que algum dia a ciência poderia estimar a data de chegada a Portugal?

Obrigado!

Não ligues muito aos marcadores uniparentais, para perfil autossomico eles não interessam, até podias ser A1. Só têm uso para genealogia, e mesmo assim normalmente é para ver ligações com centenas de anos.
Só se vai chegar a saber de facto quando chegou a Portugal quando for encontrado pela primeira vez, até lá só tens TMRCAs que te dizem quando viveu o antepassado comum mais recente. Se a grande maioria das pessoas com esse subclade for de Portugal, é provável - mas não certo - que ele tenha vivido cá

[Hyoga7]

Pronto, é mesmo um tiro no escuro.
Recentemente houve uma pessoa que trabalha nestes meios académicos que me disse algo do género:
- o R1b-L21 deve ter entrado na Península Ibérica entre a Idade do Bronze e a Idade do Ferro.
- em teoria, o mais provável seria o L1b1a12a ter entrado na Ibéria depois de Cristo.
- contudo, como basicamente os teus resultados indicam percentagens não-Europeias muito baixas, o MtDna pode ser de uma linhagem muito antiga de Antes de Cristo. Em Madrid, encontraram num sítio Bell Beaker um L1b1a de 2280–1790 a.C.


a) https://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017/05/a-mesetan-mama-i4245rise695.html
Right now I4245 is the single individual of the Iberian test group that is without question a 'real' Bell Beaker, at least in my opinion. Oddly enough, her maternal haplogroup is not common to Europe, being L1b1a, which we already knew from the previous RISE study. Genetically, she is a Neolithic European.

Sample I4245/RISE659 was obtained from a tomb with a double inhumation in a small artificial cave from Funerary Area 2. A 1–5-year-old child was inhumated at the far end of the cave and was covered by the body of a 20–30-year-old woman, carefully placed in supine position with the head to the left and flexed legs. The woman's head, which rested on a pillow made with a grass fill, revealed an intentional cranial deformation from childhood. Both bodies are known to have decomposed within the infilled space. In terms of the grave goods, a small decorated cup was found on the child, whereas two bigger decorated inlayed cups had been placed between the breast and left arm of the woman. The child was radiocarbon dated to 1960–1740 calBCE (3525±40 BP, Ua-35021). No date is available for the woman, who was sampled for aDNA analysis, but the context suggests that both were interred at the same time:
I4245/RISE695: 2280–1790 BCE

L1b1a was found by Olalde, I. et al. (Iñigo Olalde et al. The Beaker Phenomenon And The Genomic Transformation Of Northwest Europe, 2017. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/05/09/135962.full.pdf) at Camino de las Yeseras (San Fernando de Henares, Madrid) [I4245 / RISE695] on a Bell Beaker site 2280–1790 BCE.
Bell Beaker, Spain, Camino de las Yeseras (San Fernando de Henares, Madrid)
2280–1790 BCE 14942 L1b1a [I]Olalde 2017

§§§ https://amtdb.org/records/366


b) (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15480-9#Fig1).
The maternal genetic make-up of the Iberian Peninsula between the Neolithic and the Early Bronze Age.
Anna Szécsényi-Nagy, Christina Roth, […]Kurt W. Alt Scientific Reportsvolume 7, Article number: 15644 (2017).

>> "An interesting exception is haplogroup L1b in the Late Chalcolithic central Iberia at the site Camino de las Yeseras (n. 57 on Fig. 1), near Madrid.


c) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3337428/).
Reconstructing ancient mitochondrial DNA links between Africa and Europe.
María Cerezo,1,7 Alessandro Achilli,2 Anna Olivieri,3 Ugo A. Perego,3,4 Alberto Gómez-Carballa,1 Francesca Brisighelli,1,5 Hovirag Lancioni,2 Scott R. Woodward,4 Manuel López-Soto,6 Ángel Carracedo,1 Cristian Capelli,5 Antonio Torroni,3 and Antonio Salas1,7,8.

>> "A large proportion (65%) of the African-European mtDNAs investigated could be attributed to modern and well-documented demographic routes that existed during the Romanization period, the Arab conquest, and the trans-Atlantic slave trade. However, there is strong evidence pointing to the fact that the remaining 35% of the L-European mtDNAs stand as modern witnesses of sporadic population movements occurring between the two continents that might have begun as early as 11,000 yr ago (Fig. 5)."

>> "Apart from L1b1a8, there are other minor new clades of L1b that might have originated in Europe. Members of haplogroup L1b1a11 were only found in North-central Europe (Ireland, Switzerland, and Slovenia), while L1b1a12 has representatives only in Iberia (Portugal and Catalonia)."

[Vasconcelos]

Pronto, é mesmo um tiro no escuro.
Recentemente houve uma pessoa que trabalha nestes meios académicos que me disse algo do género:
- o R1b-L21 deve ter entrado na Península Ibérica entre a Idade do Bronze e a Idade do Ferro.
- em teoria, o mais provável seria o L1b1a12a ter entrado na Ibéria depois de Cristo.
- contudo, como basicamente os teus resultados indicam percentagens não-Europeias muito baixas, o MtDna pode ser de uma linhagem muito antiga de Antes de Cristo. Em Madrid, encontraram num sítio Bell Beaker um L1b1a de 2280–1790 a.C.

Acho que sim, eu concordo. Só que convinha saber qual o subclade a jusante de L21 porque isso dirá muita coisa
Quanto ao teu mtDNA deve ter entrado com grupos do norte de África visto que existem alguns lá, mas é impossível dizer. Mesmo que isto seja de facto verdade, esta migração pode ter acontecido antes do período Islâmico, o David Reich deu a entender que uma parte muito significativa da ascendência do norte de África entrou no período Romano

[Damião de Góis]

Alentejo Litoral:


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.48
2 West_Med 25.02
3 East_Med 13.96
4 Baltic 11.15
5 West_Asian 4.28
6 Red_Sea 2.18
7 Sub-Saharan 1.87
8 Northeast_African 1.62
9 Oceanian 1.08
10 South_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 2.47
2 Spanish_Extremadura 3.4
3 Spanish_Cataluna 3.71
4 Spanish_Murcia 3.82
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.89
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.22
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.44
8 Spanish_Andalucia 4.94
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.17
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.44
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.94
12 North_Italian 8.53
13 Southwest_French 8.75
14 French 9.38
15 Tuscan 14.39
16 West_German 15.36
17 South_Dutch 15.43
18 French_Basque 19.37
19 Southeast_English 19.82
20 Romanian 19.96

Origens campestres também. E já agora não liguem à distância para a referência. A referência é composta por os membros portugueses no início do Eurogenes. Eu faço parte (como PT2), daí talvez estar mais perto do que vocês. No entanto no k15 tenho algumas regiões espanholas primeiro.

[Vasconcelos]

Origens campestres também. E já agora não liguem à distância para a referência. A referência é composta por os membros portugueses no início do Eurogenes. Eu faço parte (como PT2), daí talvez estar mais perto do que vocês. No entanto no k15 tenho algumas regiões espanholas primeiro.

Não vejo qual o problema da referência, podes fazer parte dela, mas a menos que seja composta por muito poucos indivíduos acaba por não fazer uma diferença por aí além. Como vês com excepção minha todos aqui têm a nossa referência ou no topo, ou lá perto. Parece decente.

Também podes ir ao yourdnaportal e fazer aquele K13, o nMonte3 tem muitas mais referências que o Oracle do Gedmatch. Nesse fico ainda mais longe, mas pronto.

De qualquer maneira G25>K13, nem há discussão. Tens as tuas coordenadas?

[Damião de Góis]

Não vejo qual o problema da referência, podes fazer parte dela, mas a menos que seja composta por muito poucos indivíduos acaba por não fazer uma diferença por aí além. Como vês com excepção minha todos aqui têm a nossa referência ou no topo, ou lá perto. Parece decente.

Também podes ir ao yourdnaportal e fazer aquele K13, o nMonte3 tem muitas mais referências que o Oracle do Gedmatch. Nesse fico ainda mais longe, mas pronto.

De qualquer maneira G25>K13, nem há discussão. Tens as tuas coordenadas?

nMonte k13:
Closest population distance
Population Distance
Portuguese 0.2481373
Spanish_Extremadura 0.3517553
Spanish_Cataluna 0.3795792
Spanish_Murcia 0.3884489
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.3976711
Spanish_Galicia 0.4434683
Spanish_Valencia 0.4700206


Full table nMonte3 computation info
Parameter Value
penalty 0.001
Ncycles 1000
distance_percentage 1.2077
Compute time 22.0819768906s
Full table nMonte3 results
Dif Value Fitted Population
-0.13315 38.71000 38.57685 North.Atlantic
0.1389667 11.1500000 11.2889667 Baltic
-0.004506666 24.950000000 24.945493334 West.Med
-0.4326033 4.1300000 3.6973967 West.Asian
-0.03088667 13.89000000 13.85911333 East.Med
0.5378533 2.2700000 2.8078533 Red.Sea
0.24844 0.36000 0.60844 South.Asian
0.31898 0.00000 0.31898 East.Asian
0.2339167 0.0000000 0.2339167 Siberian
0.3473667 0.0000000 0.3473667 Amerindian
-0.46452 1.06000 0.59548 Oceanian
-0.1552567 1.6100000 1.4547433 Northeast.African
-0.60436 1.87000 1.26564 Sub.Saharan


Population Value
Portuguese 30.8
Spanish_Cataluna 14.4
Spanish_Valencia 8.8
Spanish_Extremadura 7.6
Spanish_Aragon 4.8
Spanish_Andalucia 4.6
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4
Spanish_Murcia 3.6
French_Basque 1.8
Spanish_Cantabria 1.8
North_Italian 1.6
North_Dutch 1.2
Tuscan 1.2
Irish 1
West_German 1
Algerian_Jew 0.8
Southeast_English 0.8
Southwest_English 0.8
Danish 0.6
Italian_Abruzzo 0.6
Italian_Jew 0.6
North_German 0.6
Orcadian 0.6
Central_Greek 0.4
Lebanese_Druze 0.4
Oetzi 0.4
Sephardic_Jew 0.4
West_Sicilian 0.4
Abhkasian 0.2
Adygei 0.2
Bantu_SW 0.2
Chechen 0.2
East_Sicilian 0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak 0.2
French 0.2
Hadza 0.2
Icelandic 0.2
Iranian_Jew 0.2
Libyan_Jew 0.2
Luhya 0.2
Mozabite_Berber 0.2
NAN_Melanesian 0.2
Norwegian 0.2
Palestinian 0.2
Sandawe 0.2
South_Dutch 0.2
South_Italian 0.2
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.2
Swedish 0.2
West_Scottish 0.2

Coordenadas? Penso que não. Existe algum link?

[Vasconcelos]

Global25 é preciso pagar 12USD ao David do Eurogenes

[Stanislav]

1 Baltic 44.47
2 North_Atlantic 28.88
3 West_Med 9.69
4 Siberian 4.67
5 West_Asian 4.47
6 East_Med 3.67
7 South_Asian 2.03
8 Red_Sea 1.44
9 Amerindian 0.32
10 Northeast_African 0.22
11 Oceanian 0.12
12 East_Asian 0.02

1 Polish 5.06
2 Ukrainian 5.06
3 Estonian_Polish 5.46
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.57
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.64

1 61.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.4% East_Finnish @ 1.64
2 56.7% East_Finnish + 43.3% Croatian @ 1.72
3 93.1% Polish + 6.9% Selkup @ 1.73
4 94.7% Polish + 5.3% Dolgan @ 1.8
5 93.1% Polish + 6.9% Ket @ 1.84

[Hyoga7]

Acho que sim, eu concordo. Só que convinha saber qual o subclade a jusante de L21 porque isso dirá muita coisa
Quanto ao teu mtDNA deve ter entrado com grupos do norte de África visto que existem alguns lá, mas é impossível dizer. Mesmo que isto seja de facto verdade, esta migração pode ter acontecido antes do período Islâmico, o David Reich deu a entender que uma parte muito significativa da ascendência do norte de África entrou no período Romano


Os testes comerciais apontam % algo baixas não-Europeias:
> (National Geographic: 3% de Northern Africa)
> (23andMe: 0.2% de Broadly East Asian & Native American)
> (MyHeritage: 11.8% de North African; 1.0% de Nigerian).


> Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.02
2 West_Med 23.71
3 East_Med 15.39
4 Baltic 11.85
5 Red_Sea 3.01
6 Sub-Saharan 2.88
7 West_Asian 1.1
8 East_Asian 1.07
9 South_Asian 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.46
11 Amerindian 0.4
12 Siberian 0.29
13 Oceanian 0.13


> Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 26.98
2 North_Sea 21.28
3 West_Med 19.66
4 East_Med 12.02
5 Baltic 8.89
6 Red_Sea 3.32
7 Sub-Saharan 2.65
8 West_Asian 1.56
9 Eastern_Euro 1.17
10 Southeast_Asian 0.96
11 Northeast_African 0.66
12 South_Asian 0.29
13 Siberian 0.28
14 Amerindian 0.24
15 Oceanian 0.02


> Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Amerindian -
Arabian 0.11
Armenian -
Basque 1.85
Central_African 0.20
Central_Euro 4.90
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.11
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.03
East_Med 6.52
Eastern_Euro 1.49
Fennoscandian 1.26
French 7.91
Iberian 23.72
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.53
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.41
North_African 5.62
North_Atlantic 9.51
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.38
Northeast_African 0.78
Oceanian 0.10
Omotic 0.14
Pygmy 0.45
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.19
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.77
West_African 0.41
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 4.60

[Vasconcelos]

Os testes comerciais apontam % algo baixas não-Europeias:
> (National Geographic: 3% de Northern Africa)
> (23andMe: 0.2% de Broadly East Asian & Native American)
> (MyHeritage: 11.8% de North African; 1.0% de Nigerian).


Os resultados dos testes comerciais dependem da interpretação que eles fazem, bem como das suas referências (daí que cada update meta resultdos novos). Temos ~10% norte Africano, independentemente do que eles possam dizer, isso é algo que já sabemos há algum tempo e que os modelos do Global 25 também suportam

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

O meu pai (V3):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.7
2 West_Med 24.57
3 East_Med 15.64
4 Baltic 15.45
5 Northeast_African 2.51
6 Red_Sea 1.8
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 Sub-Saharan 0.96
9 Siberian 0.79
10 West_Asian 0.58
11 South_Asian 0.58
12 Amerindian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 5.25
2 Spanish_Galicia 6.28
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.92
4 Spanish_Cataluna 7.06
5 Spanish_Extremadura 7.26
6 Spanish_Valencia 7.28
7 Spanish_Murcia 7.34
8 North_Italian 8.64
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.87
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.91
11 Spanish_Cantabria 9.25
12 French 10.24
13 Southwest_French 10.46
14 Spanish_Aragon 11.37
15 Tuscan 14.17
16 West_German 15.19
17 South_Dutch 15.5
18 Serbian 17.17
19 Romanian 17.44
20 Austrian 18.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.5% Portuguese + 9.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
2 86.5% Portuguese + 13.5% Croatian @ 3.84
3 91.8% Portuguese + 8.2% Erzya @ 3.86
4 89.3% Portuguese + 10.7% Ukrainian @ 3.86
5 86.3% Portuguese + 13.7% Moldavian @ 3.86
6 90.8% Portuguese + 9.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.86
7 82.5% Portuguese + 17.5% Serbian @ 3.87
8 91% Portuguese + 9% Belorussian @ 3.91
9 91.4% Portuguese + 8.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.92
10 91% Portuguese + 9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.95
11 92.1% Portuguese + 7.9% Lithuanian @ 3.98
12 89.4% Portuguese + 10.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.99
13 84.4% Portuguese + 15.6% Bulgarian @ 3.99
14 91.1% Portuguese + 8.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.99
15 83.3% Portuguese + 16.7% Romanian @ 4
16 89.3% Portuguese + 10.7% South_Polish @ 4
17 90.5% Portuguese + 9.5% Polish @ 4.06
18 92.1% Portuguese + 7.9% East_Finnish @ 4.09
19 73.5% Spanish_Valencia + 26.5% Serbian @ 4.1
20 85.6% Portuguese + 14.4% Hungarian @ 4.11

[Vasconcelos]

Here's the result from a guy from Torres Vedras. He didn't share the distances nor the Oracles, but he's West Euro shifted


North_ Atlantic 40.41
West _ Med 26.27
Baltic 12.22
East_ Med 11.25
West _ Asian 2.82
Northeast_ African 2.23
Red _ Sea 2.09
Sub-Saharan 1.26
East_ Asian 0.82
Oceanian 0.57
Amerindian 0.06

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

^
Post it on J.Ketch Eurogenes K13 PCA thread. He will add several native Portuguese members tomorrow. You can also post your girlfriend's K13 if you wish, I think he doesn't mind adding two more samples and we will have a pretty nice Portuguese cluster, better than the Spanish which has fewer samples.

[FilhoV]

So Portuguese regularly have small amount of SSA but what's the theory of how/when this came to be in the modern population?

It shows up when I pull down my pants

Most Portuguese possess a chouriço I have à morcela

If you don’t know what it is look it up

[FilhoV]

Mylivingdna does it allow for raw upload

[FilhoV]

Bump