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Kaspias

03-12-2019, 05:39 PM

He is from Kočani. (Koçana)

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.24
2 Romanian 5.76
3 Serbian 8.04
4 Moldavian 11.01
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.19
6 Croatian 14.39
7 Hungarian 15.09
8 Central_Greek 18.56
9 Italian_Abruzzo 18.67
10 Austrian 18.79
11 Tuscan 19.13
12 East_Sicilian 19.77
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.99
14 North_Italian 20.16
15 East_German 20.34
16 West_Sicilian 20.39
17 Ashkenazi 20.66
18 South_Polish 21.1
19 Ukrainian 21.3
20 Tatar 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.5% Moldavian + 22.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.84
2 78.3% Moldavian + 21.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.35
3 75.8% Moldavian + 24.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.59
4 59.9% Central_Greek + 40.1% Erzya @ 2.6
5 60.4% Ukrainian + 39.6% Cyprian @ 2.7
6 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.7
7 78% Moldavian + 22% Samaritan @ 2.75
8 60.6% South_Polish + 39.4% Cyprian @ 2.77
9 54.6% South_Italian + 45.4% Erzya @ 2.77
10 78.1% Moldavian + 21.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.78
11 61.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.1% Cyprian @ 2.78
12 75.1% Moldavian + 24.9% Cyprian @ 2.81
13 55.9% Central_Greek + 44.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.88
14 78.4% Moldavian + 21.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.9
15 56.1% Central_Greek + 43.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.91
16 58.4% East_Sicilian + 41.6% Erzya @ 2.92
17 50.6% South_Italian + 49.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.95
18 61.3% Ukrainian + 38.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3
19 69.9% Greek_Thessaly + 30.1% Erzya @ 3.01
20 54.5% East_Sicilian + 45.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.01

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 16.04
2 East_Med 15.56
3 Atlantic 14.79
4 Eastern_Euro 12.63
5 West_Asian 11.65
6 North_Sea 11.33
7 West_Med 10.49
8 Red_Sea 2.38
9 South_Asian 2.16
10 Siberian 1.36
11 Southeast_Asian 0.78
12 Oceanian 0.58
13 Northeast_African 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5
2 Romanian 5.51
3 Serbian 8.25
4 Moldavian 10.99
5 Greek 11.4
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.1
7 Croatian 12.91
8 Austrian 14.03
9 Hungarian 14.73
10 Ashkenazi 16.02
11 Italian_Abruzzo 16.23
12 Tuscan 16.38
13 Central_Greek 16.71
14 East_Sicilian 17.69
15 West_Sicilian 17.88
16 North_Italian 17.96
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.7
18 East_German 19.01
19 South_Polish 19.08
20 Ukrainian 19.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Chuvash @ 3.1
2 90.9% Bulgarian + 9.1% Mari @ 3.17
3 67.8% Greek + 32.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.29
4 85.4% Bulgarian + 14.6% Tatar @ 3.36
5 69.1% Greek + 30.9% Erzya @ 3.4
6 50.4% South_Italian + 49.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.41
7 55.4% Central_Greek + 44.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.45
8 56.2% Central_Greek + 43.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.46
9 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.49
10 51.3% South_Italian + 48.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.53
11 60.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.5% Erzya @ 3.55
12 65.2% Greek + 34.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.59
13 53.6% South_Italian + 46.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.61
14 67.1% Croatian + 32.9% Turkish @ 3.62
15 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% MA-1 @ 3.63
16 66% Greek + 34% Southwest_Russian @ 3.68
17 73.9% Croatian + 26.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.68
18 71% Croatian + 29% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.71
19 74.5% Croatian + 25.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.75
20 53.9% East_Sicilian + 46.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.75

PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 39.6
2 Mediterranean 27.06
3 Caucasian 19.2
4 SW_Asian 7.14
5 S_Indian 1.88
6 Siberian 1.5
7 E_Asian 1.33
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.84
9 Omo_River 0.59
10 Amerindian 0.43
11 W_African 0.24
12 Oceanian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 4.73
2 Macedonian 6.48
3 Bulgarian 7.71
4 Romanian 7.98
5 Montenegrin 9.12
6 Serbian 9.64
7 Greek_Thessaly 11.4
8 Italian 11.98
9 Greek_Central 13.07
10 Croatian 13.66
11 Albanian 13.66
12 Tuscan 15.07
13 French 15.13
14 Hungarian 15.64
15 South_German 16
16 Utahn_White 16.66
17 Austrian 16.97
18 Slovenian 17.04
19 Irish 17.96
20 Brazilian 18.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Bosnian + 11.3% Turkmen @ 1.84
2 90.1% Bosnian + 9.9% Iranian @ 1.96
3 89.7% Bosnian + 10.3% Syrian @ 2.15
4 89.8% Bosnian + 10.2% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.17
5 88.7% Bosnian + 11.3% Tadjik @ 2.24
6 89.3% Bosnian + 10.7% Lebanese @ 2.25
7 92.7% Bosnian + 7.3% Makrani @ 2.26
8 90.3% Bosnian + 9.7% Azerbaijani @ 2.3
9 90.1% Bosnian + 9.9% Jordanian @ 2.33
10 89.8% Bosnian + 10.2% Kurdish @ 2.34
11 72% Croatian + 28% Lebanese @ 2.37
12 72.2% Hungarian + 27.8% Druze @ 2.4
13 88.1% Bosnian + 11.9% Nogai @ 2.4
14 91.6% Bosnian + 8.4% Bedouin_A @ 2.43
15 91.5% Bosnian + 8.5% Yemenese @ 2.48
16 89.5% Bosnian + 10.5% Kumyk @ 2.49
17 93% Bosnian + 7% Balochi @ 2.5
18 90% Bosnian + 10% Palestinian @ 2.5
19 93.1% Bosnian + 6.9% Brahui @ 2.51
20 90.2% Bosnian + 9.8% Turk_Istanbul @ 2.52

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.35
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 27.6
3 European_Early_Farmers 17.08
4 Near_East 5.86
5 South_Central_Asian 5.3
6 South_Indian 2.45
7 East_Siberian 2.02
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.23
9 North_African 0.94
10 Australoid 0.84
11 Amerindian 0.72
12 Khoisan 0.45
13 Archaic_Human 0.42
14 East_African 0.3
15 South_East_Asian 0.23
16 African_Pygmy 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian ( ) 4.68
2 Macedonian ( ) 4.74
3 Montenegrian ( ) 4.79
4 Serb_BH ( ) 5.14
5 Bosnian ( ) 5.38
6 Croat ( ) 5.56
7 Croat_BH ( ) 5.73
8 Romanian ( ) 6.38
9 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.51
10 Greek_Northwest ( ) 9.68
11 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 9.75
12 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 9.75
13 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 9.92
14 Gagauz ( ) 10.1
15 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 10.11
16 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 10.2
17 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 10.3
18 Sicilian_West ( ) 10.93
19 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 10.95
20 Kosovar ( ) 11.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.7% Macedonian ( ) + 8.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.18
2 89.8% Macedonian ( ) + 10.2% Parsi ( ) @ 2.22
3 93.3% Macedonian ( ) + 6.7% Pathan ( ) @ 2.26
4 91.1% Macedonian ( ) + 8.9% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.28
5 94% Macedonian ( ) + 6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 2.32
6 92% Macedonian ( ) + 8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.32
7 93.6% Macedonian ( ) + 6.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) @ 2.33
8 94.4% Macedonian ( ) + 5.6% Sindhi ( ) @ 2.39
9 94.4% Macedonian ( ) + 5.6% Pakistani ( ) @ 2.41
10 93.6% Macedonian ( ) + 6.4% Jatt_Haryana ( ) @ 2.44
11 93.9% Macedonian ( ) + 6.1% Burusho ( ) @ 2.46
12 92.1% Macedonian ( ) + 7.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.48
13 94.6% Macedonian ( ) + 5.4% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 2.48
14 94.2% Macedonian ( ) + 5.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) @ 2.49
15 92.9% Macedonian ( ) + 7.1% Mumbai_Jew ( ) @ 2.52
16 90.8% Macedonian ( ) + 9.2% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 2.56
17 94.9% Macedonian ( ) + 5.1% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) @ 2.58
18 91.5% Macedonian ( ) + 8.5% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 2.59
19 94.7% Macedonian ( ) + 5.3% Tiwari ( ) @ 2.63
20 95.1% Macedonian ( ) + 4.9% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) @ 2.63

MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.08
2 Neolithic 25.78
3 NorthEastEuropean 17.14
4 Steppe 16.31
5 NearEast 3.34
6 Indian 2.77
7 Siberian 1.13
8 Amerindian 0.7
9 SouthEastAsian 0.65
10 Australian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian (Romania) 3.58
2 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 3.61
3 Macedonian (Macedonia) 3.68
4 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 4.01
5 Kosovar (Kosovo) 4.43
6 Romanian (Gorj) 4.47
7 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.03
8 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.4
9 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.7
10 Greek (Greece) 6.08
11 Greek (Thessaloniki) 6.16
12 Albanian (Albania) 6.3
13 Serbian (Serbia) 6.43
14 Italian (Friul) 6.52
15 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.64
16 Italian (NorthIitaly) 6.92
17 Moldavian (Molodva) 7.02
18 Italian (Tuscany) 7.85
19 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.89
20 Greek (Macedonia) 8.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.9% Greek (Greece) + 44.1% Irish (Leinster) @ 1.88
2 54.9% Greek (Greece) + 45.1% English (England) @ 1.95
3 56.6% Greek (Greece) + 43.4% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2
4 56.4% Greek (Greece) + 43.6% Irish (Cork_Kerry) @ 2.03
5 55.5% Greek (Greece) + 44.5% Scottish (Borders) @ 2.04
6 65.4% German (Germany) + 34.6% Turk (Kayseri) @ 2.09
7 56.5% German (Germany) + 43.5% Greek (Azov) @ 2.1
8 67.8% German (Germany) + 32.2% Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan) @ 2.1
9 70.1% French (NorthwestFrance) + 29.9% Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan) @ 2.15
10 55% Greek (Greece) + 45% French (WestFrance) @ 2.19
11 71.7% French (NorthwestFrance) + 28.3% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.19
12 92.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 7.9% Iran_Mazandrani (Mazandrani) @ 2.21
13 90.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 9.4% Zoroastrian (Iran) @ 2.22
14 56.5% Greek (Greece) + 43.5% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.22
15 90% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 10% Azeri (Azerbaijan) @ 2.23
16 91.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 8.9% Iranian (Fars) @ 2.23
17 64.5% German (Germany) + 35.5% Turk (Adana) @ 2.24
18 91% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 9% Iran_Lor (Lor) @ 2.24
19 90.4% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 9.6% Kurd (Syria) @ 2.24
20 71.5% German (Germany) + 28.5% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.25

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.99
2 Caucasus 25.36
3 Atlantic_Med 23.37
4 Gedrosia 7.84
5 Southwest_Asian 6.16
6 South_Asian 1.9
7 Siberian 1.78
8 East_Asian 1.25
9 East_African 0.17
10 Northwest_African 0.08
11 Southeast_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 6.74
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.85
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 8.36
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.13
5 Greek (Dodecad) 16.96
6 Hungarians (Behar) 18.14
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.75
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.04
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.14
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.16
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.88
12 German (Dodecad) 22.76
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.89
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.01
15 Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.17
16 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 23.3
17 French (Dodecad) 25.34
18 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 25.47
19 French (HGDP) 25.49
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 27.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% Romanians (Behar) + 8.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.42
2 90.9% Romanians (Behar) + 9.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.46
3 91.2% Romanians (Behar) + 8.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.49
4 89.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 10.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.59
5 84.8% Romanians (Behar) + 15.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.72
6 57% German (Dodecad) + 43% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.76
7 89.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 10.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.84
8 88.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 11.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.01
9 52.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 47.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.09
10 58.4% German (Dodecad) + 41.6% Turks (Behar) @ 3.12
11 92.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 7.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.22
12 62.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.25
13 89.7% Romanians (Behar) + 10.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.27
14 88.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 11.3% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.36
15 91.2% Romanians (Behar) + 8.8% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.36
16 91.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 8.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.39
17 85.2% Romanians (Behar) + 14.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.42
18 89.4% Romanians (Behar) + 10.6% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.44
19 87.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 12.9% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.47
20 87.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.48

Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.15 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.76 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.55 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.94 Pct
East_Med 10.11 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.75 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.14 Pct
French 0.93 Pct
Iberian 10.20 Pct
Indo-Chinese 0.84 Pct
Italian 9.89 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.99 Pct
North_African 0.13 Pct
North_Atlantic 2.53 Pct
North_Caucasian 7.46 Pct
North_Sea 4.67 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.21 Pct
South_Central_Asian 3.64 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.38 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.53 Pct

Similarity map:

https://i.ibb.co/k5MfgZV/Ads-z.png

Leto

03-12-2019, 05:57 PM

Mostly native. Only 3% mongoloid.

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 05:59 PM

Mostly native. Only 3% mongoloid.

Yes. 10% Turkmen in nmonte

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 06:03 PM

For comparison: Macedonian from Kocani.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.96
2 North_Atlantic 23.97
3 West_Med 18.86
4 East_Med 17.28
5 West_Asian 9.43
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.65

Bosniensis

03-12-2019, 06:06 PM

Another Balkan "Turk" Bro, thank you Kaspias, nice results.

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 06:08 PM

Another Balkan "Turk" Bro, thank you Kaspias, nice results.

:D :D

karakartal

03-12-2019, 06:09 PM

Another Balkan "Turk" Bro, thank you Kaspias, nice results.

Gedza is right. This sample is just muslim balkan person. Little siberian admixture.

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 06:10 PM

Gedza is right. This sample is just muslim balkan person. Little siberian admixture.

He is not convert comes from Turkic line. But it is true he is about 90% native.

TheMaestro

03-12-2019, 06:16 PM

A.K.A not Turk.

Bornoz

03-12-2019, 06:20 PM

Bu kadar çok sonuca nasıl ulaşabiliyorsun miraderim?

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 06:21 PM

Bu kadar çok sonuca nasıl ulaşabiliyorsun miraderim?

işsizlik

Bornoz

03-12-2019, 06:23 PM

işsizlik

:lol:

Anadolu'dan ve Kürt coğrafyasından sonuçlar var mı peki elinde hiç? O sonuçları karıştırabiliyor musun?

Bosniensis

03-12-2019, 06:24 PM

You are Balkan Turk if you have 4% Turkic admixture xD

I know it's hard for Balkan muslims to face the simple fact that they are not Turks.

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 06:32 PM

:lol:

Anadolu'dan ve Kürt coğrafyasından sonuçlar var mı peki elinde hiç? O sonuçları karıştırabiliyor musun?

Istanbul'un doğusundan hiç kayıt tutmadım. Sadece Marmara kıyılarından 3-5 tane var. Eğer karşılaşırsam özelden yollarım kit numarasını.

You are Balkan Turk if you have 4% Turkic admixture xD

I know it's hard for Balkan muslims to face the simple fact that they are not Turks.

X and Y married. Son(Z) grow with culture and language of Y.

Z continued to marry with natives and spreaded culture of Y. After 2-3 generation, there were a different ethnic grup named as Balkan Turks. People realized it. Then these people who live with Y's culture began to marry only among Balkan Turks. They were all Turkic descendant whatever their current autosomal.

It is already known Turks mixed with the people who they conquered. When we look their DNA it is clear as daylight and nobody claims today's Turks are 100% Conqueror-Turks. But they are still Turks. It is not true to claim they are converts or 100% native people.

Ryuk

03-12-2019, 06:38 PM

A.K.A not Turk.

No,if he really was not a turk, he had not bear %3 ENA input.Native macedonian have zero ENA.

Bosniensis

03-12-2019, 06:41 PM

X and Y married. Son(Z) grow with culture and language of Y.

Z continued to marry with natives and spreaded culture of Y. After 2-3 generation, there were a different ethnic grup named as Balkan Turks. People realized it. Then these people who live with Y's culture began to marry only among Balkan Turks. They were all Turkic descendant whatever their current autosomal.

It is already known Turks mixed with the people who they conquered. When we look their DNA it is clear as daylight and nobody claims today's Turks are 100% Conqueror-Turks. But they are still Turks. It is not true to claim they are converts or 100% native people.

Exactly

That's how Anatolians destroyed Turks and self assimilated themselves into Turkic culture. Now you have Turkish nation who are basically Anatolians.

When 1 Turk constantlly marry 1/10 Turk eventually Turks will cease to exist.

Anatolian Turks as well are Anatolians cause Turkish blood was wasted like a sugar in the ocean.

lonewolfcypriot

03-12-2019, 06:45 PM

Bosniensis

03-12-2019, 06:46 PM

Gedza, if you look at Anatolian Gedmatch results will you see that most ethnic Turks have a substantial amount of EEA.

How much?

lonewolfcypriot

03-12-2019, 06:49 PM

How much?

I think the average is 12%

Neowarior

03-12-2019, 06:50 PM

His overall Central Asian input must be around 20-30%. Less than Turks from Bulgaria but not much way off it seems.

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 06:53 PM

Exactly

That's how Anatolians destroyed Turks and self assimilated themselves into Turkic culture. Now you have Turkish nation who are basically Anatolians.

When 1 Turk constantlly marry 1/10 Turk eventually Turks will cease to exist.

Anatolian Turks as well are Anatolians cause Turkish blood was wasted like a sugar in the ocean.

Turkish nation is not only Anatolians but Turk term covers a lot of people so i don't think we can generalize it. About Anatolian Turks, Western Anatolians still gets about 50% Turkmen. 10% EE = 10% Turk is not true. Turks have never been 100% Mongoloids. Here you can see the nMonte runs i ran for Anatolian Turks.

--> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?270219-Global25-Balkans-K5-Modern&p=5647272#post5647272

Bosniensis

03-12-2019, 06:56 PM

I think the average is 12%

Seriusly? Are you joking with me?

This is REAL Turk Gedmatch (people who invaded Anatolia 1000 years ago) YDNA Q, R1b, R1a

1 Siberian 34.97
2 East_Asian 21.62
3 West_Asian 12.86
4 Baltic 12.16
5 North_Atlantic 8.6
6 South_Asian 4.6
7 Amerindian 2.69
8 West_Med 1.33
9 Northeast_African 0.75
10 East_Med 0.21
11 Oceanian 0.16
12 Red_Sea 0.06

Now compare that with Turkish people (WEST MED + EAST MED) =Greco Roman confirmed + West Asian (Anatolian Syrian, Persian, Armenian etc..)

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.26
2 East_Med 25.23
3 West_Med 11.52
4 Siberian 7.36
5 Baltic 7.15
6 North_Atlantic 6.98
7 East_Asian 5.52
8 Red_Sea 5.11
9 South_Asian 2.80
10 Amerindian 1.08

Anatolians have been assimilated into Turks just like those African French speakers into French who are 100 mil today.

Pribislav

03-12-2019, 07:01 PM

He is not convert comes from Turkic line. But it is true he is about 90% native.

What is his y dna?

Kaspias

03-12-2019, 07:05 PM

What is his y dna?

Hasn't tested

Crn Volk

03-12-2019, 10:20 PM

Torbesh

Ryuk

03-12-2019, 10:36 PM

Seriusly? Are you joking with me?

This is REAL Turk Gedmatch (people who invaded Anatolia 1000 years ago) YDNA Q, R1b, R1a

1 Siberian 34.97
2 East_Asian 21.62
3 West_Asian 12.86
4 Baltic 12.16
5 North_Atlantic 8.6
6 South_Asian 4.6
7 Amerindian 2.69
8 West_Med 1.33
9 Northeast_African 0.75
10 East_Med 0.21
11 Oceanian 0.16
12 Red_Sea 0.06

Now compare that with Turkish people (WEST MED + EAST MED) =Greco Roman confirmed + West Asian (Anatolian Syrian, Persian, Armenian etc..)

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.26
2 East_Med 25.23
3 West_Med 11.52
4 Siberian 7.36
5 Baltic 7.15
6 North_Atlantic 6.98
7 East_Asian 5.52
8 Red_Sea 5.11
9 South_Asian 2.80
10 Amerindian 1.08

Anatolians have been assimilated into Turks just like those African French speakers into French who are 100 mil today.

Oghuzes also brought baltid and south asian components in Anatolia.

%10-15 ENA is just Proto Turkic input in Anatolia,if we believe that PT were %100 ENA.

When all components are analyzed, the Turks are get at least 20% Oghuz. The overall average is 25-50%.

Crimson Winds

03-12-2019, 10:45 PM

Oghuzes also brought baltid and south asian components in Anatolia.

%10-15 ENA is just Proto Turkic input in Anatolia,if we believe that PT were %100 ENA.

When all components are analyzed, the Turks are get at least 20% Oghuz. The overall average is 25-50%.
btw
Still zero evidence for PT being %100 EE though. Even Native Americans had West Eurasian genes btw I think %30-60 is more fitting.

Leto

03-12-2019, 10:52 PM

btw
Still zero evidence for PT being %100 EE though. Even Native Americans had West Eurasian genes btw I think %30-60 is more fitting.
Eastern Siberians are close to 100% East Eurasian.

Seya

03-12-2019, 10:59 PM

balkan "turk" :rolleyes: we have almost identical results, with a small difference..i have more asian :laugh:

Kaspias

03-13-2019, 05:33 AM

Torbesh

He is not. Torbesh genetic closer to Albanians

His family only can speak Turkish and migrated to Turkey.

Thracian

03-13-2019, 12:31 PM

We have almost exactly same Siberian+East Asian+Oceanian. (he has 3.85, I have 3.54 and 3.75) He has slightly less South Asian than me.

Mingle

03-13-2019, 02:18 PM

He is not. Torbesh genetic closer to Albanians

His family only can speak Turkish and migrated to Turkey.

Do you have any Torbesh results? I've never seen one posted before.

Also, do Torbesh people consider themselves part of the wider Pomak community?

Mingle

03-13-2019, 02:19 PM

balkan "turk" :rolleyes: we have almost identical results, with a small difference..i have more asian :laugh:

But you're from Romania. I think his East Eurasian is a bit high in the context of North Macedonia.

Seya

03-13-2019, 02:52 PM

But you're from Romania. I think his East Eurasian is a bit high in the context of North Macedonia.

how is it 1% high?

FinalFlash

03-13-2019, 02:55 PM

Balkan "Turk" :D

Rgvgjhvv

03-13-2019, 03:22 PM

how is it 1% high?

So then what stops you from saying you're a Balkan Turk? :lol:

At this point, is it a cultural thing for these guys?

Mingle

03-13-2019, 03:38 PM

how is it 1% high?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04

He gets over 3% East Eurasian and over 2% South Asian. Combined, its over 5%. Is this common for Slavic Macedonians?

To be clear, nobody is claiming he's "pure Turk", only that he is partially one rather than simply a language shifting convert.

Seya

03-13-2019, 03:40 PM

So then what stops you from saying you're a Balkan Turk? :lol:

At this point, is it a cultural thing for these guys?

we are all balkan turks

Dick

03-13-2019, 03:44 PM

No SSA = not Balkan. Sorry, not sorry.

Seya

03-13-2019, 03:46 PM

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04

He gets over 3% East Eurasian and over 2% South Asian. Combined, its over 5%. Is this common for Slavic Macedonians?

To be clear, nobody is claiming he's "pure Turk", only that he is partially one rather than simply a language shifting convert.

south asia is not common in al balkan results. many people do have it other don't. i don't get any but it's pretty common in low %. the asian results are normal for a native, yes.

Carpatz

03-13-2019, 03:48 PM

No SSA = not Balkan. Sorry, not sorry.

E-V13 power

Mingle

03-13-2019, 03:59 PM

south asia is not common in al balkan results. many people do have it other don't. i don't get any but it's pretty common in low %. the asian results are normal for a native, yes.

Maybe its normal for a Romanian, Ukrainian, or Russian.

There isn't a Macedonian reference in Eurogenes, but the Bulgarian reference (next closest) gets only 0.95% East Eurasian (East Asian+Siberian). With Macedonians, it's likely even less. This guy gets 3.18% EE, that's over 2% more than the Bulgarian reference. So it's not unreasonable to say that he could have minor Anatolian Turkish ancestry.

Marmara

03-13-2019, 04:07 PM

balkan "turk" :rolleyes: we have almost identical results, with a small difference..i have more asian :laugh:

But you also have Turkic/Tatar ancestry, don't you?

dosas

03-13-2019, 04:12 PM

My K23b results in comparison:

Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 16.89
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.62
4 Near_East 10.1
5 South_Central_Asian 8.21
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
7 North_African 1.81
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.26
9 Australoid 0.54
10 Archaic_Human 0.49
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.38
12 Subsaharian 0.26
13 Arctic 0.23
14 South_East_Asian 0.15
15 Paleo_Siberian 0.07
16 East_African 0.07
17 Khoisan 0.01

I am more of a balkan 'Turk' than he is, bwhahaha:cool:.

Leto

03-13-2019, 04:17 PM

Maybe its normal for a Romanian, Ukrainian, or Russian.

There isn't a Macedonian reference in Eurogenes, but the Bulgarian reference (next closest) gets only 0.95% East Eurasian (East Asian+Siberian). With Macedonians, it's likely even less. This guy gets 3.18% EE, that's over 2% more than the Bulgarian reference. So it's not unreasonable to say that he could have minor Anatolian Turkish ancestry.
Typical or not but I've seen 1-2% 'mongoloid' in results of all kinds of people from Central and Southeastern Europe excluding the East Slavs.

Dorian

03-13-2019, 04:20 PM

Exactly

That's how Anatolians destroyed Turks and self assimilated themselves into Turkic culture. Now you have Turkish nation who are basically Anatolians.

When 1 Turk constantlly marry 1/10 Turk eventually Turks will cease to exist.

Anatolian Turks as well are Anatolians cause Turkish blood was wasted like a sugar in the ocean.

The solution is genetic engineering my brother,removing the turkic components and replacing them with more native anatolian etc,it'll be like going back in time!
The second step would be the creation of an artificial hyper-anatolian language for these new people, rising from the ashes(phoenix could be in the new flag),hell we could even create Galatians out of nothing.

Seya

03-13-2019, 04:21 PM

But you also have Turkic/Tatar ancestry, don't you?

not that i know of

karakartal

03-13-2019, 04:24 PM

Rgvgjhvv

03-13-2019, 04:24 PM

we are all balkan turks

True

Rgvgjhvv

03-13-2019, 04:29 PM

Kaspias

03-13-2019, 04:37 PM

Do you have any Torbesh results? I've never seen one posted before.

Also, do Torbesh people consider themselves part of the wider Pomak community?

I have one but i guess he is outlier.. I'm going to post it soon.
No they don't. Torbesh people are not like Pomaks. I mean not as homogenous as Pomaks. They're basically a mix of Muslim Greeks, Albanians and Macedonians. We don't have cultural relationship with Torbeshi's so i don't think they would identify themselves as part of wider Pomak community. I wish we had a ethnicity which covers Pomaks, Torbeshi's and Gorani's though.

how is it 1% high?

Show me one native sample who get this:

6 South_Asian 1.9
7 Siberian 1.78
8 East_Asian 1.25

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04

He gets over 3% East Eurasian and over 2% South Asian. Combined, its over 5%. Is this common for Slavic Macedonians?

To be clear, nobody is claiming he's "pure Turk", only that he is partially one rather than simply a language shifting convert.

+++ This.

south asia is not common in al balkan results. many people do have it other don't. i don't get any but it's pretty common in low %. the asian results are normal for a native, yes.

Do you think East Eurasia native to the Balkans? :D You have EE because you have Turkic or Ugric ancestry. South Asian clearly indicates Turkmen ancestry when it blended with Siberian and Southeast Asian.

My K23b results in comparison:

Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 16.89
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.62
4 Near_East 10.1
5 South_Central_Asian 8.21
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
7 North_African 1.81
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.26
9 Australoid 0.54
10 Archaic_Human 0.49
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.38
12 Subsaharian 0.26
13 Arctic 0.23
14 South_East_Asian 0.15
15 Paleo_Siberian 0.07
16 East_African 0.07
17 Khoisan 0.01

I am more of a balkan 'Turk' than he is, bwhahaha:cool:.

No you're not. SCA = Gedrosia.

6 South_Indian 2.45
7 East_Siberian 2.02
11 Amerindian 0.72
15 South_East_Asian 0.23

East Siberian indicates direct Mongoloid, and part of Mongoloid are melting inside of Indian and Amerindian, i suppose.

Kamal900

03-13-2019, 04:41 PM

No SSA = not Balkan. Sorry, not sorry.

You maybe a Slav on the outside but you're a Black man on the inside.
https://i.pinimg.com/750x/88/0f/78/880f7861c5bb2ee10acabd46a066bbd9.jpg

Seya

03-13-2019, 04:42 PM

I have one but i guess he is outlier.. I'm going to post it soon.
No they don't. Torbesh people are not like Pomaks. I mean not as homogenous as Pomaks. They're basically a mix of Muslim Greeks, Albanians and Macedonians. We don't have cultural relationship with Torbeshi's so i don't think they would identify themselves as part of wider Pomak community. I wish we had a ethnicity which covers Pomaks, Torbeshi's and Gorani's though.

Show me one native sample who get this:

6 South_Asian 1.9
7 Siberian 1.78
8 East_Asian 1.25

+++ This.

Do you think East Eurasia native to the Balkans? :D You have EE because you have Turkic or Ugric ancestry. South Asian clearly indicates Turkmen ancestry when it blended with Siberian and Southeast Asian.

No you're not. SCA = Gedrosia.

6 South_Indian 2.45
7 East_Siberian 2.02
11 Amerindian 0.72
15 South_East_Asian 0.23

East Siberian indicates direct Mongoloid, and part of Mongoloid are melting inside of Indian and Amerindian, i suppose.

i don't have any ugric ancestry..i'm from east romania. those % are normal for a lot of native balkanites today..and by native i mean without recent admixture (recent means from the middle ages till present days). I know greeks don't have it but other do.

Kaspias

03-13-2019, 04:45 PM

i don't have any ugric ancestry..i'm from east romania. those % are normal for a lot of native balkanites today..and by native i mean without recent admixture (recent means from the middle ages till present days). I know greeks don't have it but other do.

It is because of Turkic groups invaded Balkans and East Europe. Literally every Turkic group who tried to invade Europe lived in Europe. For Bulgarians explanation is Proto-Bulgars. For Western Balkans explanation is Avars. For this sample explanation is Turkmen.

Culture of those groups assimilated under Slav and Roman culture. But Turkmen culture not assimilated. What is wrong with it?

Seya

03-13-2019, 04:51 PM

It is because of Turkic groups invaded Balkans and East Europe. Literally every Turkic group who tried to invade Europe lived in Europe. For Bulgarians explanation is Proto-Bulgars. For Western Balkans explanation is Avars. For this sample explanation is Turkmen.

Culture of those groups assimilated under Slav and Roman culture. But Turkmen culture not assimilated. What is wrong with it?

true but those admixtures don't make u a turk imo

Ryuk

03-13-2019, 04:51 PM

You maybe a Slav on the outside but you're a Black man on the inside.
https://i.pinimg.com/750x/88/0f/78/880f7861c5bb2ee10acabd46a066bbd9.jpg

Look his eyes. Turan strong in hım.

Dorian

03-13-2019, 04:57 PM

Look his eyes. Turan strong in hım.

This doesn't exist for no reason...
https://i.postimg.cc/zGJWp1gm/fasfafa.jpg[/url]

Kaspias

03-13-2019, 05:47 PM

true but those admixtures don't make u a turk imo

Those admixtures not make Turk you or other Romanians. But makes this person Turk because his only language is Turkish, he lives like Turkish and his all ancestors had lived like Turkish. And these genetic result is an evidence he is not convert. That's it.

War Chef

03-13-2019, 05:49 PM

Balkan "Turks" are Pechenegs or Cumans who settled in Byzantine territory as foederati.

Kaspias

03-13-2019, 05:53 PM

Balkan "Turks" are Pechenegs or Cumans who settled in Byzantine territory as foederati.

Not all. I agree there are influence from Cumans and Pecheneks but most of them typical Turkmen descendant.

You can find that Cuman/Pechenek effect in NE Bulgaria, Rhodope Mountains, N. Macedonia among Balkan Turks.

Mingle

03-13-2019, 10:33 PM

I have one but i guess he is outlier.. I'm going to post it soon.

Found one: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241950-Gedmatch-results-of-Torbeshi-or-Macedonian-muslims