Guys, do Assyrians and Arameans trace their origin on Caucasus?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

they seems to have early Urartian and Hurrian origin, and not Mesopotamian :confused:

[AphroditeWorshiper]

come on guys! :cry2

[FinalFlash]

They're noticeably more northern shifted relative to their neighbors, even Iraqi Jews so it's likely they have had some genetic input from northern people.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

They're noticeably more northern shifted relative to their neighbors, even Iraqi Jews so it's likely they have had some genetic input from northern people.

my theory is that they are a southern branch of Urartians and Hurrians

[FinalFlash]

my theory is that they are a southern branch of Urartians and Hurrians

Partially descended from them, Mitanni as well among other tribes. They have a decent amount of Barcin_N(Early European Farmer) and even some Steppe too.

[Aren]

Doubt it. CHG/Iran_N-like admixture has decreased drastically in the Southern Caucasus and the Armenian highlands when comparing modern people such as Armenians and BA samples from the same area.
This points to an opposite geneflow of what you are proposing ie from the Levant and Anatolia to the Southern Caucasus.

[Tigranes]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/13-Urartu-9-6mta.gif
https://izzystarsblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/urartu.png

[wvwvw]

Uranus lived at that time as the Hurrian god Anu and the Hindu Varuna. They were all the same entity. Why do you think the Hurrians where so called? It was after Uranus, ie. Hourrianos who conquered them at the start of the Hyksos period and built an empire spanning from Italy to India including Babylon, Egypt and Phoenicia. Look at that archaeology. Other than Assyro-Babylonia and Egypt then only powerful civilisation that existed in the Hyksos period that build anything in stone on a similar scale was that of the Cretan Greeks, and the Mittani who followed the Hurrians but spoke an indo-European language preserved the name of the Greco-Roman god Saturn (also preserved in Linear A) in the names of their kings and also named the Hindu gods in their inscriptions since they were their own ancestors. F E Pargiter's dating of the first Hindu kings placed the Hindu gods at the same time Greek and Phoenician and Hurrian chronology places their own gods and this is the period of the Hyksos.

[chinshen]

No, not really.

[wvwvw]

The term Aryans refers to a tribe of Armenians descended from Kardos Ara Araian. That means Persians are descended from Medes/Kurds and Medes/Kurds from Armenians.

The name Kurd is most likely derived from a population that inhabited the same area where the Kurds live, the ancient Hurrians known also as Hurrites or Khurrites who lived there at least since 2300 b.C.

The Hurrians were after conquered by Assyrians, the last Khurrite kingdoms were destroyed by Sea Peoples around 1200 BC the Khurrite language vanished around 1000 b.C. replaced by Assyrian, Median and Persian (actual Kurdish language is closely related to Persian).

Before they were called Kurds or Arians after Kardos Ara Araian. Kardos Ara Araian in the Armenian chronology reigns from 1559 to 1555 BC followed by Anoushavan who is the Biblical Uz. In 1539 BC Anoushavan is succeeded as king by the Assyrians since he has no heirs.

In the pseudo-Assyrian list Zameis is followed by Arius in 1542 BC. It is extremely likely that Arius is the same name as Araian and it is most likely to be the same entity as Kardos Ara Araian, who after being deposed by Anoushavan, flees to Media makes himself king and names the land Kurdistan after himself, and after Anoushavan's death takes back half the kingdom of Armenia which is named after Aram. There other half of Armenia is ruled by Haik the son of Togarmah the son of Gomer.

But Aram is also the name of the Syrians, or Arameans, and their language is Aramaic.

So here is the reason why Berosus has passed off a king list which from the typology of the names is clearly Hellenised names of Median kings, as an Assyrian king list. He's got Assyrians mixed up with Syrians by getting Medes mixed up with Armenians and associating Armenia with Aramea or Syria.

On the other hand, perhaps the Syrians were actually descended from the Medes who were descended from the Armenians and did not have their own kings until the time of King David which is when the Bible first mentions the kingdom of Syria coming into existence, and they kept the name Aramea after Aram the founder of Armenia.

The pseudo-Assyrian list of Berosus, which is actually a list of kings of the Medes places Mitheaeus as king from 1233 to 1206 BC. This is Medus the son of Medea and Aegeus the king of Athens. Jerome places the end of Aegeus reign in 1234 BC and this means that Medea was regent over the Medes during the early part of Medus reign. It is from Medus that the Medes obtained their name. Previously they were called Kurds or Arians after Kardos Ara Araian.

The Greek historian Herodotus related that from Athens Medea went to the region of Asia subsequently called Media, whose inhabitants thereupon changed their name to Medes.

[Guti]

Uranus lived at that time as the Hurrian god Anu and the Hindu Varuna. They were all the same entity. Why do you think the Hurrians where so called? It was after Uranus, ie. Hourrianos who conquered them at the start of the Hyksos period and built an empire spanning from Italy to India including Babylon, Egypt and Phoenicia. Look at that archaeology. Other than Assyro-Babylonia and Egypt then only powerful civilisation that existed in the Hyksos period that build anything in stone on a similar scale was that of the Cretan Greeks, and the Mittani who followed the Hurrians but spoke an indo-European language preserved the name of the Greco-Roman god Saturn (also preserved in Linear A) in the names of their kings and also named the Hindu gods in their inscriptions since they were their own ancestors. F E Pargiter's dating of the first Hindu kings placed the Hindu gods at the same time Greek and Phoenician and Hurrian chronology places their own gods and this is the period of the Hyksos.
Who were the Mitanni?

The Mitanni Empire was founded around 1475 BC in the northern Euphrates-Tigris region, which would be northern Syria and Turkey today. The ethnicity of the first settlers is still debated. Some historians believe that they were Indo-Aryans or Indo-Iranians, while others believe they were of Semitic-Hyksos (Egyptian) origin. However, the jury is still out.

Historians have been left very little to work with when it comes to determining the original ethnicity of the Mitanni people. They have mostly focused on an old treaty that was signed with the Hittites. This treaty mentions the names of several deities, and the hope was that these names could point toward an origin for the Mitanni people.

The treaty mentions gods such as Indra and Mithra, but unfortunately, both the Indo-Aryans and Indo-Iranians worshiped gods under those names. This has made it essentially impossible to narrow down the ethnicity any further with the current evidence.

The name Mitanni most likely comes from the nation's ruling class warriors called Maryannu. The Egyptians translated this as Naharin and Metani , creating Mettani, which then became Mitanni. As for the everyday people who lived there, they were Hurrian. In records, the Hittites referred to them as the Huri and the area as "the land of the Huri".

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-europe/mitanni-empire-0017337

[chinshen]

The term Aryans refers to a tribe of Armenians descended from Kardos Ara Araian. That means Persians are descended from Medes/Kurds and Medes/Kurds from Armenians.

The name Kurd is most likely derived from a population that inhabited the same area where the Kurds live, the ancient Hurrians known also as Hurrites or Khurrites who lived there at least since 2300 b.C.

The Hurrians were after conquered by Assyrians, the last Khurrite kingdoms were destroyed by Sea Peoples around 1200 BC the Khurrite language vanished around 1000 b.C. replaced by Assyrian, Median and Persian (actual Kurdish language is closely related to Persian).

Before they were called Kurds or Arians after Kardos Ara Araian. Kardos Ara Araian in the Armenian chronology reigns from 1559 to 1555 BC followed by Anoushavan who is the Biblical Uz. In 1539 BC Anoushavan is succeeded as king by the Assyrians since he has no heirs.

In the pseudo-Assyrian list Zameis is followed by Arius in 1542 BC. It is extremely likely that Arius is the same name as Araian and it is most likely to be the same entity as Kardos Ara Araian, who after being deposed by Anoushavan, flees to Media makes himself king and names the land Kurdistan after himself, and after Anoushavan's death takes back half the kingdom of Armenia which is named after Aram. There other half of Armenia is ruled by Haik the son of Togarmah the son of Gomer.

But Aram is also the name of the Syrians, or Arameans, and their language is Aramaic.

So here is the reason why Berosus has passed off a king list which from the typology of the names is clearly Hellenised names of Median kings, as an Assyrian king list. He's got Assyrians mixed up with Syrians by getting Medes mixed up with Armenians and associating Armenia with Aramea or Syria.

On the other hand, perhaps the Syrians were actually descended from the Medes who were descended from the Armenians and did not have their own kings until the time of King David which is when the Bible first mentions the kingdom of Syria coming into existence, and they kept the name Aramea after Aram the founder of Armenia.

The pseudo-Assyrian list of Berosus, which is actually a list of kings of the Medes places Mitheaeus as king from 1233 to 1206 BC. This is Medus the son of Medea and Aegeus the king of Athens. Jerome places the end of Aegeus reign in 1234 BC and this means that Medea was regent over the Medes during the early part of Medus reign. It is from Medus that the Medes obtained their name. Previously they were called Kurds or Arians after Kardos Ara Araian.

The Greek historian Herodotus related that from Athens Medea went to the region of Asia subsequently called Media, whose inhabitants thereupon changed their name to Medes.

You really need to stop pulling nonsense out of your ass, you are making a fool out of yourself. Can't you see it?

[Guti]

The term Aryans refers to a tribe of Armenians descended from Kardos Ara Araian. That means Persians are descended from Medes/Kurds and Medes/Kurds from Armenians.It might be actually true that the Aryan Guto-Medes originated in the Southern Caucasus (ancient Armenian Highlands) when we see that there was a genetic continuum between Southern Caucasus and Northwestern Iran.

In the Copper Age, both the Armenian Highlands (Southern Caucasus) and NorthWestern Iran (Kurdistan included) were dominated by the CHG/Iran_ChL people who gave eventually rise to the Yamnaya people.

Those proto-Indo-European CHG/Iran_ChL were just native to an area between the Caucasus (Armenian Highlands) and NorthWestern Iranian Plateau. Those people were of a Caucaso-Iranic racial stock.

Here you can see a clear genetic link between the Caucasus (Armenian Highlands) and NorthWestern Iranian Plateau. All those ancient LBA and Iron_Age Caucaso-Iranic people have a common ancestry, mostly Irn_ChL/CHG as the main source.

https://i.postimg.cc/JhSpQbgL/CHG.jpg
Lazaridis, I., Alpaslan-Roodenberg, S., Acar, A., Açıkkol, A., Agelarakis, A., Aghikyan, L., ... & Ruka, R. (2022). A genetic probe into the ancient and medieval history of Southern Europe and West Asia. Science, 377(6609), 940-951.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1udjJcOdGsrN3zNuidg-W-uU1T7CstP2l/view


More about them: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?364040-Origin-of-the-Caucasian-(Caucasus)-race-and-its-descedants&p=7588219#post7588219

[wvwvw]

The Mittani were the Titans of the Greek mythology. The Cretan Hittites- Hettaioi, Eteo cretans. The founder of the Hyksos was Saturn (Cronos) and the Hyksos were not Semites but Greco-Hittites.

The Egyptians were ruled by the Greek Hyksos dynasty which is culturally Achaean. The Egyption word Hyksos is from the same root as Ekwesh and referes to the Achaean Greek Sea People who came to Egypt at the time that Zeus conquered the Titians (Mittani) and drove them into Asia in 1675 BC which corresponds archeologically to a time when the Minoan palace civilisation was destroyed and rebuilt.


The treaty mentions gods such as Indra and Mithra, but unfortunately, both the Indo-Aryans and Indo-Iranians worshiped gods under those names. This has made it essentially impossible to narrow down the ethnicity any further with the current evidence.

The Gods were of Greek origin. Ouranos was of the Ectene tribe. His adoption into IE would have to have been after 1750 BC which is when Ouranos actually reigned over Greece, Asia-Minor, Phoenicia, India as Varuna. His daughter Aphrodite was a historical queen of Cyprus and Kythera.

The Indo-European religion was concocted at the time of the Thera Eruption mega tsunami based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine and India by Uranus, Kronos, Zeus and Dionysus. All Indo-European religion as well as the Phoenician religion is derived from those events and the worship of the kings and generals who participated in them. They are all based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine, and India by Minoan Greek kings who were deified in Mycenean times by the Myceneans and Romans.

The Hindu gods are exactly the same as the Greek gods and the Norse gods, because India was ruled over by Uranus (Varuna) since 1740 BC and succeeded by Kronos (Brahma in about 1705 BC) and Zeus (Deyus 
Piter)in about 1680 BC. In about 1520 BC Dionysus also conquered 
India.

The the most advance Indo-European civilisation of this time 
were the Minoan and Mycenaean Greeks. All Indo-European religions and even 
the primary part of the Phoenician and Jewish religion came from them and 
their kings and conquests.


According to the myth which the priests give, the gods had their origin in Krete (Crete), and were led by Zeus to Pankhaia at the time when he sojourned among men and was king of the inhabited earth. In proof of this they cite their language, pointing out that most of the things they have about them still retain their Kretan (Cretan) names; and they add that the kinship which they have with the Kretans and the kindly regard they feel towards them are traditions they received from their ancestors, since this report is ever handed down from one generation to another.

https://www.theoi.com/Phylos/Pankhaia.html