Bulgarian Gedmatch from Plovdiv

[Kaspias]

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.26
2 Baltic 22.34
3 West_Med 20.65
4 East_Med 17.45
5 West_Asian 12.51
6 Red_Sea 2.06
7 South_Asian 1.03
8 Siberian 0.51
9 Sub-Saharan 0.15
10 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.15
2 Bulgarian 4.15
3 Serbian 7.77
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.57
5 Moldavian 13.05
6 North_Italian 13.68
7 Tuscan 13.84
8 Italian_Abruzzo 15.29
9 Hungarian 15.56
10 Croatian 15.95
11 Central_Greek 16.16
12 West_Sicilian 16.79
13 Austrian 17.43
14 East_Sicilian 17.52
15 East_German 19.37
16 Portuguese 19.43
17 French 19.51
18 Spanish_Galicia 19.86
19 Ashkenazi 20.07
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Romanian + 8.7% Sardinian @ 2.43
2 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% French_Basque @ 2.59
3 88.3% Bulgarian + 11.7% Southwest_French @ 2.72
4 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.79
5 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.82
6 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.85
7 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.9
8 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.91
9 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.93
10 87.9% Bulgarian + 12.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.03
11 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.06
12 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.07
13 82.7% Bulgarian + 17.3% North_Italian @ 3.08
14 87.4% Bulgarian + 12.6% Portuguese @ 3.1
15 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.13
16 93.1% Bulgarian + 6.9% Sardinian @ 3.22
17 54.2% Moldavian + 45.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.34
18 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% French @ 3.35
19 56.2% Croatian + 43.8% South_Italian @ 3.41
20 56.6% Moldavian + 43.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.42




Eurogenes K15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.76
2 Romanian 4.62
3 Serbian 7.96
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.67
5 Greek 9.09
6 Tuscan 10.76
7 North_Italian 11.45
8 Italian_Abruzzo 13.05
9 Moldavian 13.07
10 Austrian 14.1
11 Central_Greek 14.23
12 Croatian 14.46
13 West_Sicilian 14.75
14 Hungarian 14.76
15 East_Sicilian 15.14
16 Ashkenazi 15.23
17 Portuguese 16.86
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.89
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.29
20 Spanish_Extremadura 17.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.3% Bulgarian + 22.7% North_Italian @ 1.76
2 89% Romanian + 11% Sardinian @ 2.02
3 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.05
4 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Portuguese @ 2.07
5 84.7% Bulgarian + 15.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.12
6 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.16
7 84.9% Bulgarian + 15.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.17
8 85.5% Bulgarian + 14.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.23
9 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.24
10 85.5% Bulgarian + 14.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.25
11 86.7% Bulgarian + 13.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.26
12 87.8% Bulgarian + 12.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.31
13 86.2% Bulgarian + 13.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.31
14 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Southwest_French @ 2.41
15 67.1% Greek + 32.9% East_German @ 2.48
16 73.2% Romanian + 26.8% Tuscan @ 2.58
17 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% Tuscan @ 2.61
18 91.9% Bulgarian + 8.1% French_Basque @ 2.62
19 86.7% Bulgarian + 13.3% French @ 2.64
20 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Sardinian @ 2.68



PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 40.91
2 Mediterranean 34.41
3 Caucasian 16.48
4 SW_Asian 6.08
5 S_Indian 0.93
6 Siberian 0.58
7 Omo_River 0.36
8 Beringian 0.17
9 Oceanian 0.08
10 Horn_Of_Africa 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 1.28
2 Bulgarian 2.01
3 Macedonian 2.52
4 Montenegrin 3.28
5 Bosnian 5.59
6 Italian 5.79
7 Serbian 8
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.96
9 Albanian 10.38
10 French 10.49
11 Spaniard 11.7
12 Tuscan 11.96
13 Greek_Central 12.37
14 South_German 12.7
15 Portuguese 12.81
16 Utahn_White 13.43
17 Croatian 13.43
18 Brazilian 15.09
19 Hungarian 15.36
20 Austrian 16.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.5% Romanian + 0.5% Bedouin_B @ 1.21
2 93.3% Romanian + 6.7% Bosnian @ 1.22
3 99.1% Romanian + 0.9% Lezgin @ 1.23
4 99.1% Romanian + 0.9% Chechen @ 1.23
5 99.2% Romanian + 0.8% Kumyk @ 1.23
6 99.2% Romanian + 0.8% Balkar @ 1.24
7 99.5% Romanian + 0.5% Makrani @ 1.24
8 99.5% Romanian + 0.5% Brahui @ 1.24
9 99.3% Romanian + 0.7% Iranian @ 1.24
10 99.3% Romanian + 0.7% Azerbaijani @ 1.25
11 99.3% Romanian + 0.7% North_Ossetian @ 1.25
12 99.5% Romanian + 0.5% Saudi @ 1.25
13 99.4% Romanian + 0.6% Abkhasian @ 1.25
14 99.5% Romanian + 0.5% Balochi @ 1.25
15 99.4% Romanian + 0.6% Armenian @ 1.25
16 99.8% Romanian + 0.2% AriBlackSmith @ 1.25
17 99.4% Romanian + 0.6% Tadjik @ 1.25
18 99.4% Romanian + 0.6% Druze @ 1.25
19 99.4% Romanian + 0.6% Assyrian @ 1.25
20 99.5% Romanian + 0.5% Georgian @ 1.25



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.89
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 26.56
3 European_Early_Farmers 21.85
4 South_Central_Asian 7.97
5 Near_East 4.21
6 North_African 3.2
7 Arctic 1.41
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.33
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.32
10 Austronesian 0.17
11 Archaic_Human 0.07
12 East_Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian ( ) 5.6
2 Montenegrian ( ) 6.18
3 Greek_Northwest ( ) 6.43
4 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.71
5 Macedonian ( ) 7.2
6 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.32
7 Kosovar ( ) 8.29
8 Serb_BH ( ) 8.3
9 Croat ( ) 8.68
10 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 8.91
11 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 9
12 Bosnian ( ) 9.01
13 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 9.41
14 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 9.46
15 Maltese ( ) 9.83
16 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 9.89
17 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 9.9
18 Croat_BH ( ) 9.92
19 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 10.36
20 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 10.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% South_German ( ) + 27.4% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.9
2 76.7% Italian_North ( ) + 23.3% Circassian ( ) @ 2.93
3 63.1% Italian_North ( ) + 36.9% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 3.02
4 76.2% Italian_North ( ) + 23.8% Kabardin ( ) @ 3.11
5 52.4% South_German ( ) + 47.6% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 3.15
6 59.5% Azov_Greek ( ) + 40.5% French ( ) @ 3.19
7 64.1% Italian_North ( ) + 35.9% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 3.19
8 57.6% Azov_Greek ( ) + 42.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 3.24
9 59.7% Azov_Greek ( ) + 40.3% Welsh ( ) @ 3.24
10 65.9% Italian_North ( ) + 34.1% Turk ( ) @ 3.32
11 84.5% Kosovar ( ) + 15.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 3.35
12 63.9% North_European ( ) + 36.1% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 3.35
13 77.6% South_German ( ) + 22.4% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 3.38
14 88.4% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 11.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 3.41
15 88.9% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 11.1% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 3.44
16 79.3% Italian_North ( ) + 20.7% Ossetian ( ) @ 3.45
17 59.5% Azov_Greek ( ) + 40.5% CEU ( ) @ 3.45
18 58.8% Azov_Greek ( ) + 41.2% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 3.47
19 57.7% Azov_Greek ( ) + 42.3% North_European ( ) @ 3.48
20 67.4% South_German ( ) + 32.6% Armenian ( ) @ 3.51



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.49
2 Neolithic 26.97
3 NorthEastEuropean 19.42
4 Steppe 15.17
5 Indian 1.05
6 NearEast 0.8
7 NorthAfrican 0.58
8 Arctic 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 3.63
2 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 4.34
3 Macedonian (Macedonia) 4.74
4 Kosovar (Kosovo) 5.02
5 Greek (Thessaloniki) 5.94
6 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 6.13
7 Albanian (Albania) 6.18
8 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 6.46
9 Romanian (Gorj) 6.49
10 Serbian (Serbia) 6.85
11 Romanian (Romania) 6.98
12 Greek (Greece) 7.16
13 Romanian (Apuseni) 7.18
14 Greek (Peloponnes) 7.99
15 Italian (Friul) 8.3
16 Moldavian (Molodva) 8.49
17 Italian (Tuscany) 8.98
18 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.99
19 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 9.28
20 Greek (Macedonia) 9.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 29.8% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.89
2 72.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 27.5% Albanian (Albania) @ 3
3 71% German (Germany) + 29% Turk (Trabzon) @ 3.11
4 67.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 32.2% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 3.11
5 94.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 5.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 3.12
6 85% Serbian (Serbia) + 15% Turk (Trabzon) @ 3.19
7 83.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 16.9% Italian (Tuscany) @ 3.21
8 79.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 20.9% Greek (Greece) @ 3.21
9 94.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 5.2% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 3.23
10 95.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.9% Georgian (Laz) @ 3.26
11 95.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.7% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.26
12 88.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 11.3% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 3.29
13 95.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.6% Georgian (Georgia) @ 3.31
14 94.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 5.6% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.31
15 95.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.4% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 3.32
16 89.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 10.7% Sicilian (Sicily) @ 3.34
17 95.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.3% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 3.34
18 95.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.5% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 3.35
19 95.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 4.4% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 3.36
20 72.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 27.8% Hungarian (Budapest) @ 3.37



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.04
2 Atlantic_Med 30.58
3 Caucasus 22.59
4 Gedrosia 7.74
5 Southwest_Asian 6.55
6 South_Asian 0.69
7 Northwest_African 0.57
8 Southeast_Asian 0.15
9 Siberian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 9.92
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.57
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.68
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.23
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.16
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.48
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.22
8 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.37
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.26
10 Greek (Dodecad) 17.46
11 Hungarians (Behar) 17.89
12 French (Dodecad) 19.08
13 French (HGDP) 19.13
14 German (Dodecad) 20.08
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 21.02
16 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.11
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 21.21
18 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 21.94
19 Portuguese (Dodecad) 22.22
20 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% German (Dodecad) + 47.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.71
2 61.7% Dutch (Dodecad) + 38.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.11
3 58% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.13
4 63.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 36.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.25
5 52.9% German (Dodecad) + 47.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.38
6 54.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 45.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.45
7 54.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 45.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.53
8 59.2% German (Dodecad) + 40.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
9 53.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 46.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.64
10 56.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 43.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.75
11 63.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.75
12 60.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.79
13 57.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.81
14 51.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 48.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.87
15 57.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.91
16 61.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 38.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.97
17 64.9% German (Dodecad) + 35.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.98
18 82.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.01
19 82.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.08
20 66.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.8% German (Dodecad) @ 3.09



Eurogenes K36


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 4.19 Pct
Basque 2.17 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.61 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.28 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.59 Pct
East_Med 6.77 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.13 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.65 Pct
French 4.52 Pct
Iberian 10.70 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.13 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.19 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.17 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.59 Pct
North_Sea 3.14 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.71 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.35 Pct
West_Med 6.13 Pct

[Coolguy1]

Similar to Montenegrin Albanians

[HungryLion]

Similar to Montenegrin Albanians

They are more south than this Bulgarian .

[Leto]

Plovdiv is in Southern Bulgaria. Is that a typical result for Southern Bulgaria? They are indeed the least Northeastern European (I don't wanna say 'Slavic' because the Bulgarians ARE Slavic) Slavs (together with Northern Macedonians).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Plovdiv_in_Bulgaria.svg/640px-Plovdiv_in_Bulgaria.svg.png

[Pubiczar]

Plovdiv is in Southern Bulgaria. Is that a typical result for Southern Bulgaria? They are indeed the least Northeastern European (I don't wanna say 'Slavic' because the Bulgarians ARE Slavic) Slavs (together with Northern Macedonians).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Plovdiv_in_Bulgaria.svg/640px-Plovdiv_in_Bulgaria.svg.png

If you are talking about linguistic union than yeah, we are Slavs.
If you have in mind a meta-ethnicity, we are as much Slavs as the Romanians are Latins!
From ethnic point of view we are Balkanic, first and foremost!

[Vojnik]

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.26
2 Baltic 22.34
3 West_Med 20.65
4 East_Med 17.45
5 West_Asian 12.51
6 Red_Sea 2.06
7 South_Asian 1.03
8 Siberian 0.51
9 Sub-Saharan 0.15
10 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.15
2 Bulgarian 4.15
3 Serbian 7.77
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.57
5 Moldavian 13.05
6 North_Italian 13.68
7 Tuscan 13.84
8 Italian_Abruzzo 15.29
9 Hungarian 15.56
10 Croatian 15.95
11 Central_Greek 16.16
12 West_Sicilian 16.79
13 Austrian 17.43
14 East_Sicilian 17.52
15 East_German 19.37
16 Portuguese 19.43
17 French 19.51
18 Spanish_Galicia 19.86
19 Ashkenazi 20.07
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.19




Admix Results (sorted):


<tbody>
#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
24.01


2
Baltic
22.65


3
East_Med
19.19


4
West_Med
17.24


5
West_Asian
11.73


6
Red_Sea
4.35


7
Amerindian
0.72


8
Sub-Saharan
0.06


9
Northeast_African
0.05


10
South_Asian
0.01


</tbody>


Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Romanian
3.05


2
Bulgarian
3.5


3
Serbian
6.65


4
Greek_Thessaly
9.42


5
Moldavian
12.95


6
Tuscan
14.02


7
North_Italian
14.63


8
Hungarian
14.72


9
Italian_Abruzzo
14.93


10
Croatian
15.63


11
Central_Greek
16.02


12
West_Sicilian
16.69


13
Austrian
16.97


14
East_Sicilian
17.18


15
Ashkenazi
19.03


16
East_German
19.09


17
French
19.47


18
West_German
19.82


19
Portuguese
19.98


20
South_Italian
20.26


</tbody>


The top five in our single population sharing is in the exact same order. Over all, quite similar to me.

[Leto]

If you are talking about linguistic union than yeah, we are Slavs.
If you have in mind a meta-ethnicity, we are as much Slavs as the Romanians are Latins!
From ethnic point of view we are Balkanic, first and foremost!
The Slavs are an ethnolinguistic category. Ethnic groups whose native language belongs to the Slavic branch of IE are considered Slavic. Whether you feel uncomfortable being included in the same "meta-ethnicity" with people like the Russians or Poles is a matter of your personal opinion. Although I don't find North Macedonians and Bulgarians particularly similar to us either (Orthodox Christianity is importnat to me but then again, Greeks, Romanians and Georgians are also Orthodox and they are not Slavic).

[Pubiczar]

The Slavs are an ethnolinguistic category. Ethnic groups whose native language belongs to the Slavic branch of IE are considered Slavic. Whether you feel uncomfortable being included in the same "meta-ethnicity" with people like the Russians or Poles is a matter of your personal opinion. Although I don't find North Macedonians and Bulgarians particularly similar to us either (Orthodox Christianity is importnat to me but then again, Greeks, Romanians and Georgians are also Orthodox and they are not Slavic).

Is not about being uncomfortable and is not my personal opinion!
It's a general fact now even proved by DNA!
Me personally, I feel Balkanic, I look Balkanic and I have Balkan mentality, mind you, all three categories are way different than the Russian or the Polish ones!
Even if you go by culture, our traditional music or cuisine are way different than yours.
So Slav is just a linguistic union that ones was abused in the occurrence of Pan-Slavism for particular countries gaining particular benefits.
Otherwise as I said, we are as much Slavic as the Romanians are Latins or the Irish and Scots are Germanic!

[Vojnik]

The Slavs are an ethnolinguistic category. Ethnic groups whose native language belongs to the Slavic branch of IE are considered Slavic. Whether you feel uncomfortable being included in the same "meta-ethnicity" with people like the Russians or Poles is a matter of your personal opinion. Although I don't find North Macedonians and Bulgarians particularly similar to us either (Orthodox Christianity is importnat to me but then again, Greeks, Romanians and Georgians are also Orthodox and they are not Slavic).

Forced into a meta ethnicity where people don't feel close to you. Whats the point?

Lets just keep Slavic as a linguistic term, and nothing more then that.

[Kaspias]

Plovdiv is in Southern Bulgaria. Is that a typical result for Southern Bulgaria? They are indeed the least Northeastern European (I don't wanna say 'Slavic' because the Bulgarians ARE Slavic) Slavs (together with Northern Macedonians).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Plovdiv_in_Bulgaria.svg/640px-Plovdiv_in_Bulgaria.svg.png

https://i.ibb.co/vmDzwf3/640px-Plovdiv-in-Bulgaria-svg.png

Blacks: Cosmopolit, mix of all.
Light Blue: Highest Slavic input. Least Med.
Red: Less Slavic, more Med and NA. Macedonia shift.
Blue: Pomak regions, more Baltic less NA than average.
Gray: Thracian Bulgarians, average Baltic less NA more East Med.
Purple Stars: Also Turk settlement.


This result seems belong to red area.

[Leto]

Is not about being uncomfortable and is not my personal opinion!
It's a general fact now even proved by DNA!
Me personally, I feel Balkanic, I look Balkanic and I have Balkan mentality, mind you, all three categories are way different than the Russian or the Polish ones!
Even if you go by culture, our traditional music or cuisine are way different than yours.
So Slav is just a linguistic union that ones was abused in the occurrence of Pan-Slavism for particular countries gaining particular benefits.
Otherwise as I said, we are as much Slavic as the Romanians are Latins or the Irish and Scots are Germanic!


Forced into a meta ethnicity where people don't feel close to you. Whats the point?

Lets just keep Slavic as a linguistic term, and nothing more then that.
Meta-ethnicity is largely based on language. Are the Kurds not Iranic? Are the Turks not Turkic? Are the Austrians not Germanic? I don't think being Slavic necessarily means feeling close to someone. Either way, you guys are seen as motherfucking Slavs by your neighbors - Greeks, Albanians and Turks. xD Western Europeans and North Americans also tend to lump everything non-Germanic and non-Romance as 'Eastern European', especially those Cyrilic Orthodox groups.
It's mostly on TA and other anthrotard forums you are truly 'Slavic' if you are R1a and look like this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/843142048299601921/t7p9FdRA_400x400.jpg
IRL it depends on the country and region.

[Leto]

https://i.ibb.co/vmDzwf3/640px-Plovdiv-in-Bulgaria-svg.png

Blacks: Cosmopolit, mix of all.
Light Blue: Highest Slavic input. Least Med.
Red: Less Slavic, more Med and NA. Macedonia shift.
Blue: Pomak regions, more Baltic less NA than average.
Gray: Thracian Bulgarians, average Baltic less NA more East Med.
Purple Stars: Also Turk settlement.


This result seems belong to red area.
Interesting. Basically the North from East to West is the most NE European genetically.

[HungryLion]

I feel more conected whit Slavic people .
In every category...

[Pubiczar]

Meta-ethnicity is largely based on language. Are the Kurds not Iranic? Are the Turks not Turkic? Are the Austrians not Germanic? I don't think being Slavic necessarily means feeling close to someone. Either way, you guys are seen as motherfucking Slavs by your neighbors - Greeks, Albanians and Turks. xD Western Europeans and North Americans also tend to lump everything non-Germanic and non-Romance as 'Eastern European', especially those Cyrilic Orthodox groups.
It's mostly on TA and other anrthotard forums you are truly 'Slavic' if you are R1a and look like this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/843142048299601921/t7p9FdRA_400x400.jpg
IRL it depends on the country and region.

Well me personally I don't give a flying fuck how are we perceived by someone!
And this is one thing I don't like, some trying to force something on me.
Listen mate, it's as simple as that, why being Slav should be different than being a Germanic or a Latin?
Tell me, what does a Romanian have in common with an Italian, a French or a Spaniard other than speaking a language from the same group of languages?
Why is it so motherfucking difficult for you to put that in your mind and why is your insisting by replying not argumentative but ever so annoying with replies like "But the Greeks or your neighbors consider you matherfucking Slavs" ouga bouga?

Especially when I clearly said that Slav is just a linguistic union and nothing more which doesn't mean that we don't have a share from the Proto-Slavs!
In fact that share is particularly significant but so is the Balkan one!

Let's keep it simple as that, it's just a linguistic union, nothing more, nothing less!
We don't need a New Yugoslavia or Slavia, it's a proven failed experiment!

[HungryLion]

even this very outdated Serbian sample is closer to the Slovene than the paleo Balkans...Not to mention language, haplpgrup etc..

[Leto]

I feel more conected whit Slavic people .
In every category...
To some extent that's a matter of personal opinion. I don't know why those guys showed up with their objections, that was a side remark.
To be clear, I am not a pan-Slavicist, I don't think that the Slavs will unite. We are way too different in all aspects. Czechs for example, are very Western, they were in the Holy Roman Empire and Austria-Hungary for centuries. Croats and Slovenes are also very distant from Russians. Even Poles don't want to have anything to do with Orthodox Slavs.

[Leto]

Well me personally I don't give a flying fuck how are we perceived by someone!
And this is one thing I don't like, some trying to force something on me.
Listen mate, it's as simple as that, why being Slav should be different than being a Germanic or a Latin?
Tell me, what does a Romanian have in common with an Italian, a French or a Spaniard other than speaking a language from the same group of languages?
Why is it so motherfucking difficult for you to put that in your mind and why is your insisting by replying not argumentative but ever so annoying with replies like "But the Greeks or your neighbors consider you matherfucking Slavs" ouga bouga?
Lol. Each "meta-ethnicity" is a different story, Romanians were isolated from the rest of the Latin world for centuries while for example Iberians, Italians and the French weren't, that's why they are more connected to each other.

[Kaspias]

Interesting. Basically the North from East to West is the most NE European genetically.

With my current data

https://i.ibb.co/3SjbvhR/640px-Plovdiv-in-Bulgaria-svg-1.png


I haven't included Turks

[Pubiczar]

You still don't understand do you??
The French are Latins only by language!
Most of the French are Celtic-Germanic mix that happened to be Romance speaking group by chance of history occurrences!
You trying to prove something without putting argument or facts on the table...
Slavs are linguistic group as long as the Macedonians are put on the table, that's it!

[Leto]

With my current data

https://i.ibb.co/3SjbvhR/640px-Plovdiv-in-Bulgaria-svg-1.png


I haven't included Turks
So North Macedonia must be like Southwestern Bulgaria if not a bit less due to the strong Albanian and Greek influence.

[Leto]

You still don't understand do you??
The French are Latins only by language!
Most of the French are Celtic-Germanic mix that happened to be Romance speaking group by chance of history occurrences!
You trying to prove something without putting argument or facts on the table...
Slavs are linguistic group as long as the Macedonians are put on the table, that's it!
Yes, linguistic and ethnocultural too. Macedonians and Bulgarians identify as Slavic, they venerate Saints Cyril and Methodious as the illuminators of the Slavs and things like that. It's not like English for black people in America, Slavic languages have been spoken in the Balkans for like 1,500 years.

[Pubiczar]

Yes, linguistic and ethnocultural too. Macedonians and Bulgarians identify as Slavic, they venerate Saints Cyril and Methodious as the illuminators of the Slavs and things like that. It's not like English for black people in America, Slavic languages have been spoken in the Balkans for like 1,500 years.

I see you are stubborn, I know it's a Russian characteristic more than Balkan one.

Nothing ethno-cultural...
The Macedonians are neither by ethnicity nor by culture closer to Poles or Russians than to Romanian or an Albanian...

[lonewolfcypriot]

okay, now I see the difference between bulgars and Balkan turks

[War Chef]

https://i.ibb.co/vmDzwf3/640px-Plovdiv-in-Bulgaria-svg.png

Blacks: Cosmopolit, mix of all.
Light Blue: Highest Slavic input. Least Med.
Red: Less Slavic, more Med and NA. Macedonia shift.
Blue: Pomak regions, more Baltic less NA than average.
Gray: Thracian Bulgarians, average Baltic less NA more East Med.
Purple Stars: Also Turk settlement.


This result seems belong to red area.

Which category the Gagauz fit?

[Leto]

I see you are stubborn, I know it's a Russian characteristic more than Balkan one.

Nothing ethno-cultural...
The Macedonians are neither by ethnicity nor by culture closer to Poles or Russians than to Romanian or an Albanian...
Macedonian Albanians are Muslims and don't feel close to non-Albanian Christians. I think you guys need to learn Greek and join Greece. Forget the Slavic language which looks like broken Russian. Make Macedonia great again! :D

[Kaspias]

Which category the Gagauz fit?

Correct me if i'm wrong:

They have around ~25% Baltic and ~18% NA. Also they have more East med than West med.


With this result they are typical in anywhere in Eastern Bulgaria. Specifically Central-East and North-East Bulgaria.

But a Gagauz from Western Thrace(migrated from Eastern Thrace because of population exchange) scores 20 BA 15 NA. This actually points out Gagauz's are mixed with native population just like Balkan Turks. But they migrated to Balkans long before most of Balkan Turks.

[Kaspias]

So North Macedonia must be like Southwestern Bulgaria if not a bit less due to the strong Albanian and Greek influence.

Yeah. Just a bit more med shifted but there are exceptions i suppose. Balkan Turk from Eastern Macedonia got 26 Balt 20 NA.

[Pubiczar]

Macedonian Albanians are Muslims and don't feel close to non-Albanian Christians. I think you guys need to learn Greek and join Greece. Forget the Slavic language which looks like broken Russian. Make Macedonia great again! :D

Again you are strarting with Ouga Bouga...
We don't need to learn Greek, we appreciate our language which in fact is way different than the Russian or the Polish!
You are a hypocrite, you say that you are not a Pan-Slavist and yet you try to force your Pan-Slavism down our throats!
Is there a strong feeling when it comes to meta-ethnicity with the other groups??
Ask a French, or an Englishman or an Italian, nowhere in the world the Pan-Germanism or the Pan-Latinism is forced as much as the Pan-Slavism!
You guys are indoctrinated with that idea, Pan-Slavism is in your head, that's the biggest difference between me and you, let alone you are genetically, culturally or aesthetically way different than me!

[Leto]

Again you are strarting with Ouga Bouga...
We don't need to learn Greek, we appreciate our language which in fact is way different than the Russian or the Polish!
You are a hypocrite, you say that you are not a Pan-Slavist and yet you try to force your Pan-Slavism down our throats!
Is there a strong feeling when it comes to meta-ethnicity with the other groups??
Ask a French, or an Englishman or an Italian, nowhere in the world the Pan-Germanism or the Pan-Latinism is forced as much as the Pan-Slavism!
You guys are indoctrinated with that idea, Pan-Slavism is in your head, that's the biggest difference between me and you, let alone you are genetically, culturally or aesthetically way different than me!
I am not a pan-Slavist, but I'm not gonna deny the common definition of the term Slavic. To me personally Baltic people and Estonians are racially much closer than North Macedonians.
Let's leave it at that, shall we?

[Vojnik]

What is this North Macedonian ethnicity i keep seeing? Where does the horrendous Prespa agreement ever mention a North Macedonian ethnicity?

For the last time. The official name was changed to North Macedonia. It has nothing to do with the ethnicity.

[Pubiczar]

I am not a pan-Slavist, but I'm not gonna deny the common definition of the term Slavic. To me personally Baltic people and Estonians are racially much closer than North Macedonians.
Let's leave it at that, shall we?

It's just a linguistic union...
Let's leave it at that!

[HungryLion]

It's just a linguistic union...
Let's leave it at that!

No it's not...Same language, similar Y haplogrup's, similar culture..

[Leto]

What is this North Macedonian ethnicity i keep seeing? Where does the horrendous Prespa agreement ever mention a North Macedonian ethnicity?

For the last time. The official name was changed to North Macedonia. It has nothing to do with the ethnicity.
Do you want me to start using the ridiculous term FYROMians? Or maybe Slavic Macedonians? I thought the term North Macedonian was the most respectful to you guys. I personally don't care much, it is Bulgarians, Greeks and Albanians who have been trolling that little country. I am completely neutral in this regard.

[Pubiczar]

No it's not...Same language, similar Y haplogrup's, similar culture..

I don't know about you but I don't speak Russian, so no, it's not the same language!
Similar haplos?
Russians are 60+ R1a, N and I2a coming next...
Nothing similar to us, again I don't know about you...
Similar culture... :D:D

[Leto]

No it's not...Same language, similar Y haplogrup's, similar culture..
Dude, they fear that if they concede, Vladimir Putin will come and establish himself as the tsar of the Slavs there. LMAO :rofl_002:
Don't worry guys, Putin doesn't care about ethnicity, even less so about Slavs.

[Pubiczar]

Nothing about Putin dude, but really, why the Russians and the Serbs are the biggest Pan-Slavists out of all Slavs?

[HungryLion]

I don't know about you but I don't speak Russian, so no, it's not the same language!
Similar haplos?
Russians are 60+ R1a, N and I2a coming next...
Nothing similar to us, again I don't know about you...
Similar culture... :D:D

Serb's are about 55-60 % slavic I2a,R1a and even some N.
We are for reason south slavic people.
Still Russian's are closser to me than fully paleo balkan.
And when is about to language and cultural thing it's even more similar...But it's my opinion ofc..That's how I feel.

[HungryLion]

Nothing about Putin dude, but really, why the Russians and the Serbs are the biggest Pan-Slavists out of all Slavs?

probably because we were the most starved for that
we do not want the Germans control our destiny.

[Leto]

Nothing about Putin dude, but really, why the Russians and the Serbs are the biggest Pan-Slavists out of all Slavs?
I don't know. That's not my ideology. Racially I feel closest to people that are most similar to me genetically and racially. When I see a photo of a school class in Lithuania or Latvia for example, I find more people that look like me than in a school class from Greece or even a Balkan country. Culturally I feel closer to Orthodox Christians, although some of them are pretty different from us in most aspects. But those are my personal preferences.

[Pubiczar]

As in people's personal lives, don't try to force someone something down the throat if you want to make a friend of him!
Invading someone's home or stealing from him would almost certainly lead to fight.
If you leave people more space to thrive and to not be annoying as much as someone who decides to sit next to you in an empty bus, maybe and only maybe, your ideas would be accepted.
it's simple as that...

[Lioncourt]

https://i.ibb.co/vmDzwf3/640px-Plovdiv-in-Bulgaria-svg.png

Blacks: Cosmopolit, mix of all.
Light Blue: Highest Slavic input. Least Med.
Red: Less Slavic, more Med and NA. Macedonia shift.
Blue: Pomak regions, more Baltic less NA than average.
Gray: Thracian Bulgarians, average Baltic less NA more East Med.
Purple Stars: Also Turk settlement.


This result seems belong to red area.

Most people from Plovdiv are either from Thrace, Rhodopes or Aegean Macedonia. In recent years there are people from all over Bulgaria though.

Older Sofia population is from the west, particulary Pernik-Kyustendil-Dupnitsa and West Balkan ridge (Botevgrad). Some refugees from Aegean Macedonia too, as well as from Pirin Macedonia. Movement from distant parts of the country occured earlier than in Plovdiv though, so the population is more regionally mixed.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Is it common for Bulgarians to be so West-shifted? Was really surprised to see populations like French, Portuguese and Spanish come up. Even Austrian

[Cristiano viejo]

Is it common for Bulgarians to be so West-shifted? Was really surprised to see populations like French, Portuguese and Spanish come up. Even Austrian

Last time you put Spanish in the last place, ok boy?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Last time you put Spanish in the last place, ok boy?

Ok boy

[Kaspias]

Most people from Plovdiv are either from Thrace, Rhodopes or Aegean Macedonia. In recent years there are people from all over Bulgaria though.

Older Sofia population is from the west, particulary Pernik-Kyustendil-Dupnitsa and West Balkan ridge (Botevgrad). Some refugees from Aegean Macedonia too, as well as from Pirin Macedonia. Movement from distant parts of the country occured earlier than in Plovdiv though, so the population is more regionally mixed.

Yes, I'm aware of this map needs some update. Thank you for contribution.



Is it common for Bulgarians to be so West-shifted? Was really surprised to see populations like French, Portuguese and Spanish come up. Even Austrian

This is a really Western shifted Bulgarian considering amount of Baltic. I believe the result would come up as ~80% Native Balkan and only around 20% Slav. Perhaps less.

Steppe admixture native Balkan carry is Germanic-like, so it makes sense.

[Lioncourt]

They might have ancestry from Aegean Macedonia, they are the most western shifted Bulgarians. Some Slavic admixed Albanians from Montenegro score similar.