Early Proto-Germanic R1b-U106, 1900-1650 BC, on GEDmatch Genesis

[Peterski]

I've uploaded to GEDmatch Genesis this Ancient Dutch sample from Bronze Age Netherlands:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#12/52.7043/5.1394

Sample I4070 with R1b-U106 ​- North Holland 1900-1650 BCE - kit number NR1725464

Eurogenes K15:

I4070 results in Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.02
2 Atlantic 25.45
3 Eastern_Euro 13.9
4 Baltic 10.73
5 West_Asian 7.12
6 West_Med 4.58
7 Amerindian 1.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 5.42
2 North_Dutch 6.04
3 Norwegian 6.25
4 North_German 6.51
5 West_Norwegian 7.19
6 Swedish 7.22
7 West_Scottish 7.4
8 Orcadian 7.78
9 Irish 7.85
10 North_Swedish 8.25
11 Southeast_English 8.32
12 Southwest_English 9.3
13 West_German 10.51
14 South_Dutch 10.75
15 East_German 12.98
16 Southwest_Finnish 13.53
17 French 15.67
18 Finnish 16.37
19 Hungarian 17.21
20 Austrian 17.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.9% Danish + 7.1% Tabassaran @ 4.34
2 93.7% Danish + 6.3% Lezgin @ 4.52
3 94% Danish + 6% Chechen @ 4.54
4 89.4% West_Norwegian + 10.6% Chechen @ 4.66
5 91.8% Norwegian + 8.2% Chechen @ 4.7
6 91.2% Norwegian + 8.8% Tabassaran @ 4.71
7 89.2% West_Norwegian + 10.8% Lezgin @ 4.72
8 88.7% West_Norwegian + 11.3% Tabassaran @ 4.74
9 82.7% Orcadian + 17.3% Erzya @ 4.74
10 94.7% Danish + 5.3% Kabardin @ 4.74
11 95.1% Danish + 4.9% Ossetian @ 4.76
12 94.9% Danish + 5.1% Balkar @ 4.77
13 91.7% Norwegian + 8.3% Lezgin @ 4.77
14 95.2% Danish + 4.8% North_Ossetian @ 4.77
15 95.1% Danish + 4.9% Adygei @ 4.78
16 92.1% North_Dutch + 7.9% Tabassaran @ 4.81
17 89.8% West_Norwegian + 10.2% Kabardin @ 4.82
18 94.9% Danish + 5.1% Kumyk @ 4.86
19 90.3% West_Norwegian + 9.7% Adygei @ 4.86
20 92.8% Norwegian + 7.2% Ossetian @ 4.87

Just an explanatory note:

This is not a Dutch Bell Beaker, but a person who lived in the same place ca. 500-900 years later.

=====

Edit:

Comparison of 3 Neolithic British, 5 Bronze Age British, and I0470 (early R1b-U106) using this tool:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

https://i.imgur.com/7KpjwVs.png

[Bosniensis]

Celto-Germanic mix, but I doubt that Gaul had that much Germanic influence in Bronze age.

[Peterski]

but I doubt that Gaul had that much Germanic influence in Bronze age.

This is not Gaul but North Holland / West Frisia. And one of these samples had Y-DNA haplogroup R1b-U106.

[Token]

Celto-Germanic mix, but I doubt that Gaul had that much Germanic influence in Bronze age.

Neither Celtic nor Germanic existed at this time.

[Peterski]

Neither Celtic nor Germanic existed at this time.

So R1b-U106 was not originally Germanic? Because this guy - I4070 - is among the 3 oldest known samples with U106:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214682-Where-was-the-Proto-Germanic-homeland

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237400-R1b-U106-from-Unetice-culture

[War Chef]

There is again that Urkarah Chechen Tabassaran signal

[Thorns]

This is mine for comparison, I am "faggy" U152"

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.47
2 Atlantic 24.37
3 Baltic 11.35
4 West_Med 9.82
5 Eastern_Euro 9.07
6 West_Asian 5.3
7 Oceanian 0.74
8 East_Med 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.19
10 Red_Sea 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 4.2
2 Norwegian 5.22
3 Danish 5.55
4 Southwest_English 5.61
5 Orcadian 5.63
6 West_Norwegian 5.79
7 Southeast_English 6.1
8 West_Scottish 6.49
9 Swedish 6.56
10 Irish 6.65
11 West_German 6.83
12 North_German 6.87
13 South_Dutch 8.6
14 North_Swedish 10.01
15 French 12.33
16 East_German 12.64
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.84
18 Hungarian 16.94
19 Austrian 17.8
20 Finnish 18.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% West_Norwegian + 29.2% French @ 3.04
2 52.8% Norwegian + 47.2% Southwest_English @ 3.17
3 51.1% Southwest_English + 48.9% West_Norwegian @ 3.23
4 62.4% West_Norwegian + 37.6% South_Dutch @ 3.24
5 82.7% West_Norwegian + 17.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.27
6 55.5% Southwest_English + 44.5% Swedish @ 3.28
7 84.7% West_Norwegian + 15.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.29
8 81% West_Norwegian + 19% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.31
9 91% West_Norwegian + 9% Sardinian @ 3.33
10 84.3% West_Norwegian + 15.7% North_Italian @ 3.33
11 80.7% West_Norwegian + 19.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.34
12 81.7% West_Norwegian + 18.3% Portuguese @ 3.35
13 84% West_Norwegian + 16% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.36
14 55.8% West_Norwegian + 44.2% West_German @ 3.36
15 82.1% West_Norwegian + 17.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.38
16 83% West_Norwegian + 17% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.43
17 83.5% West_Norwegian + 16.5% Southwest_French @ 3.45
18 84.2% West_Norwegian + 15.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.48
19 71.8% North_Dutch + 28.2% West_German @ 3.52
20 84.7% West_Norwegian + 15.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.53


I have never seen so high North Sea as I4070.

[Token]

So R1b-U106 was not originally Germanic? Because this guy - I4070 - is among the 3 oldest known samples with U106:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214682-Where-was-the-Proto-Germanic-homeland

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237400-R1b-U106-from-Unetice-culture

Of course it wasn't, U106 has a TMRCA of ~4700BP, as old as CWC. It later became associated with Germanic speakers and that's it.

[Turul Karom]

There is again that Urkarah Chechen Tabassaran signal

Indeed, and other Turkic/Turkic influenced groups too! Adygei, Balkar, etc. All of R1 is steppe DNA as ancestral Eurasian. It's not correct to think of it as East Asian though, as "Asia" as a landmass is far more complex.

[Peterski]

A comparison of 3 Neolithic British, 5 Bronze Age British, and I0470 (man with R1b-U106):

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

https://i.imgur.com/7KpjwVs.png

[Thorns]

He is closer to modern Eastern Europeans than most modern Swedes.

[Peterski]

Of course it wasn't, U106 has a TMRCA of ~4700BP, as old as CWC. It later became associated with Germanic speakers and that's it.

If I remember correctly, Jean Manco (RIP) wrote that this guy belonged to some kind of "Proto-Germanic" archaeological culture.

Or "Pre-Proto-Germanic" at least.

[Dick]

Of course it wasn't, U106 has a TMRCA of ~4700BP, as old as CWC. It later became associated with Germanic speakers and that's it.

Most clades in Europe have a similar TMRCA.

[Peterski]

Bump