W6a: Balto-Slavic or Gothic?

[Peterski]

One of the newly published Visigoths from Spain had mtDNA haplogroup W6a:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282042-New-Iberian-paper-with-Celtiberian-samples-out!

https://i.imgur.com/eQM1kTg.png

If I'm not mistaken, this Visigothic W6a is actually the only known so far ancient W6a younger than Bronze Age.

Bronze Age W6a samples are Corded Ware Lithuania (Mittnik et. al. 2017) and from Corded Ware East Germany:

- W6a sample dated to ~3260-2630 BC, Baltic Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis, Lithuania
- W6a sample dated to ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt, East Germany

I also have W6a, here is my mtDNA Wiki report:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233833-My-mtDNA-Wiki-report-Proto-Slavic-Corded-Ware

https://i.imgur.com/6RAhKWS.png

[War Chef]

When will we have autosomal dna?

Balto-slavic mtdna is expected as conquerors get access to local women, in this case proto-slavs + some scythians

[Peterski]

When will we have autosomal dna?

I have some info about DNA of Ostrogoths from Ukraine, but I can't say anything, it is secret.

But one of Visigoths from Spain - I12031 - apparently clusters with modern South Slavic Serbs.

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Edit:

One Visigoth from Spain - I12031 - clusters with modern Serbs and has Balkan Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b1a1b1a.

This is Balkan haplogroup E-V13:

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-v13/about

[Peterski]

Sources say: in year 418 the Goths (or at least: some Goths) were in South-West France.

At the same time, archaeology still shows evidence of Wielbark Culture existing in Poland.

Wielbark Culture starts to disappear from archaeological record in Poland only around 450:

http://www.mpov.uw.edu.pl/en/thesaurus/archaeological-cultures/wielbark-culture-

"Wielbark C. disappears from the archaeological record around mid-5th century"

[Peterski]

When will we have autosomal dna?

Here you are:

http://i.imgur.com/RbNXQj9.png

:lol:

[War Chef]

,.....

[Peterski]

Here is what I got for this Visigoth (I12034), can someone check further downstream if it is W6a1a or not?:

User Entered Markers: C146T,C152T,A189G,C194T,T204C,G207A,A247G,G709A,A7 69G,A825T,A1018G,T1243C,A2758G,C2885T,A3505G,T3594 C,A4093G,G4104A,T4312C,G5046A,G5460A,A6040G,G7146A ,T7256C,A7521G,G8251A,T8468C,T8610C,T8614C,T8655C, G8701A,G8994A,C9540T,C10307T,G10398A,T10664C,A1068 8G,C10810T,C10873T,C10915T,C11674T,A11914G,A11947G ,T12414C,G13105A,G13276A,T13506C,T13650C,G15884C,A 16129G,T16187C,C16189T,C16192T,G16230A,T16278C,C16 292T,C16311T,T16325C

Best Identified Haplogroups
Haplogroup W6a
♀ Eve
⇨ L1'2'3'4'5'6 (C146T,C182T,T4312C,T10664C,C10915T,A11914G,G13276 A,G16230A)
⇨ L2'3'4'5'6 (C152T,A2758G,C2885T,G7146A,T8468C)
⇨ L2'3'4'6 (C195T,A247G,A825t,T8655C,A10688G,C10810T,G13105A, T13506C,G15301A,A16129G,T16187C,C16189T)
⇨ L3'4'6 (G4104A,A7521G)
⇨ L3'4 (T182C!,T3594C,T7256C,T13650C,T16278C)
⇨ L3 (A769G,A1018G,C16311T)
⇨ N (G8701A,C9540T,G10398A,C10873T,A15301G!)
⇨ N2 (A189G,G709A,G5046A,C11674T,T12414C)
⇨ W (T195C!,T204C,G207A,T1243C,A3505G,G5460A,G8251A,G8 994A,A11947G,G15884c,C16292T)
⇨ (C194T)
⇨ W6 (A4093G,T8614C,T16325C)
⇨ (C194T)
⇨ W6a (T8610C)
Matches on Tree (54) : C146T C152T A189G C194T T204C G207A A247G G709A A769G A1018G T1243C A2758G C2885T A3505G T3594C A4093G G4104A T4312C G5046A G5460A G7146A T7256C A7521G G8251A T8468C T8610C T8614C T8655C G8701A G8994A C9540T G10398A T10664C A10688G C10810T C10873T C10915T C11674T A11914G A11947G T12414C G13105A G13276A T13506C T13650C A16129G T16187C C16189T C16192T G16230A T16278C C16292T C16311T T16325C
Mismatches/Extras (4) : A825T A6040G C10307T G15884C

[Peterski]

SNP Tracker: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

https://i.imgur.com/tR7yVvL.png

[Peterski]

Another ancient W6a sample (these are samples from Early Medieval Bohemia and Great Moravia):

https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/domaci/2831966-v-hrobe-pod-svatovitskou-rotundou-neni-knize-borivoj-reporteri-ct-zjistovali-kdo-tam?fbclid=IwAR2C1lkk73VCznmxout7rGpPsV6rjfMKcW469 gntOYTSshi_XZ90dfjjrEQ

https://i.imgur.com/2FLalWS.png

[Pater Patota]

My mtdna is W but I don't have any further info about that.My maternal grand grandma is Circassian and when I upload my ftdna on mytrueancestry.com, it shows I'm half Ostrogoth, does it make any sense?

[Peterski]

My mtdna is W but I don't have any further info about that.My maternal grand grandma is Circassian and when I upload my ftdna on mytrueancestry.com, it shows I'm half Ostrogoth, does it make any sense?

That "Ostrogoth" from Crimea was a Bosporan native:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_Kingdom

[RenaRyuguu]

Gothic I think

[Pater Patota]

When I checked mytrueancestry.com again, it's changed from Ostrogoth to Pontic kingdom, now there is no Ostrogoth anymore, it shows Pontic kingdom+Hellenic Seleucid, interesting update.

By the way, I wonder what group of people my mtdna W belongs to.Circassians/Caucasus people or something different.