That's how I divide Europe with ancient Ancestries, what do you guys think?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Blue = Mainly Indo European(EHG), with add some HG and Finno Uralic
Red = Mainly Indo European/ WHG mix, with add some EEF
Green = Mainly EEF/WHG mix, with add some Indo European
Purple = Mainly EEF/Indo European mix, with add some CHG

http://i67.tinypic.com/330xxfd.png

[Crimson Winds]

CHG+ANE is what North Caucasus is.

[Ruggery]

I do not understand, the south of Europe is not Indo-European?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

CHG+ANE is what North Caucasus is.

Exactly

[AphroditeWorshiper]

I do not understand, the south of Europe is not Indo-European?

Of course they have, I'm just showing the mainly components

btw none country it's really indoe european, alll European have the four components(WHG, EHG,EEF and CHG)

[Ruggery]

Of course they have, I'm just showing the mainly components

btw none country it's really indoe european, alll European have the four components(WHG, EHG,EEF and CHG)

So the difference are the variations of those components?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

So the difference are the variations of those components?

Yeah

[Nurzat]

Blue = Mainly Indo European(EHG), with add some HG and Finno Uralic
Red = Mainly Indo European/ WHG mix, with add some EEF
Green = Mainly EEF/WHG mix, with add some Indo European
Purple = Mainly EEF/Indo European mix, with add some CHG

I doubt Moldovans plot more EEF than Hungarians or that Hungarians score more EHG than Moldovans

[AphroditeWorshiper]

I doubt Moldovans plot more EEF than Hungarians or that Hungarians score more EHG than Moldovans

Moldova it's still a mistery for me, I don't find many informations about Moldova on Genetic Pages :confused:

so, I think they are just like Romanians?

[Token]

Completely wrong, lol.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

More opinion guys?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Completely wrong, lol.

I know maybe it's wrong, but not too much wrong come on

that's basically how genetics divide Europe

[Bellbeaking]

https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41467-018-07483-5/MediaObjects/41467_2018_7483_Fig4_HTML.png

[Borealis]

Lol IQ

[leonj]

B

Germanic Europe should be red in my opinion

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I know maybe it's wrong, but not too much wrong come on

that's basically how genetics divide Europe

Croatia is not genetically southern European, it's more Yamnanya/WHG than neolithic.

[Blondie]

https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41467-018-07483-5/MediaObjects/41467_2018_7483_Fig4_HTML.png

It seems to me french and hungarians are pretty same :D

[Veles]

Blue = Mainly Indo European(EHG), with add some HG and Finno Uralic
Red = Mainly Indo European/ WHG mix, with add some EEF
Green = Mainly EEF/WHG mix, with add some Indo European
Purple = Mainly EEF/Indo European mix, with add some CHG

http://i67.tinypic.com/330xxfd.png
No. I think so
Purple: EEF(ENF)+Steppe*
Green: EEF+EHG+Steppe*
Blue: EHG+WHG+Steppe*
*Steppe=EHG+WHG+EEF
https://i.ibb.co/Wf0Z5Jq/330xxfd-jpg.png (https://ibb.co/L1rmR7b)

[Dorian]

No. I think so
Purple: EEF(ENF)+Steppe*
Green: EEF+EHG+Steppe*
Blue: EHG+WHG+Steppe*
*Steppe=EHG+WHG+EEF
https://i.ibb.co/80J3pcH/330xxfd-jpg.png (https://ibb.co/Y369MZx)

You'll get a thumb down by Nato for putting Croatians in the same category with Southerners :laugh:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

You'll get a thumb down by Nato for putting Croatians in the same category with Southerners :laugh:

For sure. Why should he, we can all show our results that have nothing to do with you.

[Insuperable]

Hrvoje seems to be very obsessed about northern southern stuff.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Hrvoje seems to be very obsessed about northern southern stuff.

I don't like inaccuracies. If Croats were southern European genetically I would protest if somebody included us with northerners. But we are not.
This is genetics forum, presenting Croats as southern European is blatant lie.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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You are clear troll man, only somebody mentally ill can include southern Germans with Egyptians. Not even Sicilians are close to those sandniggers.

[Dorian]

For sure. Why should he, we can all show our results that have nothing to do with you.

We wuz alienz ... I don't know ,I want to see arguments from both sides, when I get my own results I'll dig deeper into these things.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

We wuz alienz ... I don't know ,I want to see arguments from both sides, when I get my own results I'll dig deeper into these things.

You're probably Slavo-Vlach bruv, North Greek-Slavic Macedonian-Bulgarian-Albo range.

[Dorian]

You're probably Slavo-Vlach bruv, North Greek-Slavic Macedonian-Bulgarian-Albo range.

You take memes here literally it seems,I have no confirmed ancestry from such people(their areas)as much as I could trace my tree.There are more lighter people in tribes here with no connections to anything"vlacho-slavic" here.It's like saying r1b Cretans are Venetians which is half the truth,half of it comes from them and the other connected to minoan samples.

[TheOldNorth]

86125
My version (made smaller so I could upload)

[Veles]

You are clear troll man, only somebody mentally ill can include southern Germans with Egyptians. Not even Sicilians are close to those sandniggers.
In Egypt and N.Africa there is no Steppe. Egyptians are EEF plus something else non-European. Southern Germans are EEF + Steppe. Croatia is about the same. We can check in G25

[Bellbeaking]

86125
My version (made smaller so I could upload)

what do the colours mean?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

No. I think so
Purple: EEF(ENF)+Steppe*
Green: EEF+EHG+Steppe*
Blue: EHG+WHG+Steppe*
*Steppe=EHG+WHG+EEF
https://i.ibb.co/Wf0Z5Jq/330xxfd-jpg.png (https://ibb.co/L1rmR7b)

But Iberia and Southern France have almost 0% steppe

[AphroditeWorshiper]

86125
My version (made smaller so I could upload)

it's wrong to put Italy and Iberia in the same color

Italy it's Mainly EEF and CHG, with some steppe and almost none whg

Iberia it's mainly EEF with whg, and almost none chg and steppe

[Morena]

it's wrong to put Italy and Iberia in the same color

Italy it's Mainly EEF and CHG, with some steppe and almost none whg

Iberia it's mainly EEF with whg, and almost none chg and steppe

Isn't Iberia about 20% Steppe?

[Bellbeaking]

But Iberia and Southern France have almost 0% steppe

where are you getting this stuff? They have significant steppe ancestry and are overwhelmingly R1b, an indo european Steppe origin haplo

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Isn't Iberia about 20% Steppe?

Indeed, but it's the lowest on Europe

Iberia it's the most indigenous people on Europe(Mesolithic and Paleolithic), with obvious heavy EEF. that's why Balts and Finns are considered the most Mesolithic

[AphroditeWorshiper]

where are you getting this stuff? They have significant steppe ancestry and are overwhelmingly R1b, an indo european Steppe origin haplo

you are right, but they are the lowest on Europe, the high steppe ancestry came from North and East, since Iberia it's on extreme West, they had low influence

For example, Southeast and Eastern europe have steppe since the mesolithic

Iberia, just on Iron Age

[Bellbeaking]

you are right, but they are the lowest on Europe, the high steppe ancestry came from North and East, since Iberia it's on extreme West, they had low influence

For example, Southeast and Eastern europe have steppe since the mesolithic

Iberia, just on Iron Age
copper/bronze age my dude, then more came in the iron age

https://i.imgur.com/UaZ2BNn.jpg

[Borealis]

Isn't Iberia about 20% Steppe?

They are a bit higher, about 25-30% based on nMonte G25.

[Borealis]

You cannot forget there is EEF in eastern Europe too.

[TheOldNorth]

what do the colours mean?

Oh yeah, forgot to label, sorry. Red is East european, Green is Atlantic (celtic), Blue is germanic, Purple is Uralic, Yellow is Mediterranean, and the colors in between are just that, the in-betweens

[TheOldNorth]

it's wrong to put Italy and Iberia in the same color

Italy it's Mainly EEF and CHG, with some steppe and almost none whg

Iberia it's mainly EEF with whg, and almost none chg and steppe

Its more based on modern ethnic lines then ancient admixtures. Sense Mediterraneans tend to be more genetically similar, I grouped them.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

copper/bronze age my dude, then more came in the iron age

https://i.imgur.com/UaZ2BNn.jpg

how much of Steppe component was CHG?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Its more based on modern ethnic lines then ancient admixtures. Sense Mediterraneans tend to be more genetically similar, I grouped them.

But the differences between Iberians and Balkanics are clearly even on modern times. and Italy on between

Iberia = high WHG

and Balkans = High Steppe and CHG

who make them not clustering together

[Bellbeaking]

how much of Steppe component was CHG?

steppe is chg+ane 50-50

[TheMaestro]

I do not understand, the south of Europe is not Indo-European?

Indo-European is a linguistic term not racial/ethnic...

[Ruggery]

Indo-European is a linguistic term not racial/ethnic...

It's not cultural either?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

In Egypt and N.Africa there is no Steppe. Egyptians are EEF plus something else non-European. Southern Germans are EEF + Steppe. Croatia is about the same. We can check in G25

result of girl from southern Croatia.

Yamnaya_Samara,44
Barcin_N,43.2
WHG,12.8

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?283591-Leeloo-Global-25-analysis

[Veles]

result of girl from southern Croatia.

Yamnaya_Samara,44
Barcin_N,43.2
WHG,12.8

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?283591-Leeloo-Global-25-analysis
I took the other components, that's what happened:

Armenian:GS000035124
Near East,38.2
Anatolian farmers EEF,24.8
Caucasus CHG,19
Central_Asian,17.8
Native European SHG/WHG,0.2

Italian_South
Anatolian farmers EEF,48.4
Near East,16.6
Caucasus CHG,10.8
Central_Asian,10.8
Native European SHG/WHG,8.8
North Eurasian ANE,4.6

Croatian
Anatolian farmers EEF,45.2
Native European SHG/WHG,28.8
Caucasus CHG,14.4
North Eurasian ANE,10
Central_Asian,1.6

German
Anatolian farmers EEF,44.4
Native European SHG/WHG,31.6
Caucasus CHG,14.2
North Eurasian ANE,9.8

Veles_scaled
Native European SHG/WHG,39
Anatolian farmers EEF,32.4
Caucasus CHG,14.6
North Eurasian ANE,13
East_Asian,1

Estonian
Native European SHG/WHG,43.6
Anatolian farmers EEF,30.8
North Eurasian ANE,13.6
Caucasus CHG,12
The only difference between us is that you have a little more early farmers, I have a little more native Europeans. All Europeans are relatives. In comparison with us, the Armenians look Middle Eastern, and the southern Italians occupy an intermediate position.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

So guys, basically

Northern Europeans = More Steppe and some EEF

Southern Europeans = More EEF and some Steppe

so, the hunter gatherer in south it's almost nothing, and the hunter gatherers on people like Balts or Scandinavians come mostly via Steppe(EHG + CHG)

[Bellbeaking]

So guys, basically

Northern Europeans = More Steppe and some EEF

Southern Europeans = More EEF and some Steppe

so, the hunter gatherer in south it's almost nothing, and the hunter gatherers on people like Balts or Scandinavians come mostly via Steppe(EHG + CHG)


Spanish have more MUNTER MCGATHERER especially BASQUEOIS

[Mens-Sarda]

I think that Sardinia and perhaps also Corsica fall in the Green category.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Spanish have more MUNTER MCGATHERER especially BASQUEOIS

But I tought WHG component was almost replaced in any place of Europe

so basically we have three components nowadays. EHG, CHG and EEF

[AphroditeWorshiper]

I think that Sardinia and perhaps also Corsica fall in the Green category.

But Corsicans are basically Tuscans

and Sardinians are the most EEF

[Bellbeaking]

But I tought WHG component was almost replaced in any place of Europe

so basically we have three components nowadays. EHG, CHG and EEF

nah basques stilll have a tonne

[AphroditeWorshiper]

nah basques stilll have a tonne

interesting

but Basques are still more EEF and Steppe than WHG?

[Mens-Sarda]

But Corsicans are basically Tuscans

and Sardinians are the most EEF

Sardinians are mostly EEF + WHG + very few IE

Corsicans are like a mix of Italic and Sardinian.

[Token]

result of girl from southern Croatia.

Yamnaya_Samara,44
Barcin_N,43.2
WHG,12.8

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?283591-Leeloo-Global-25-analysis

Stearsolina is unusually northern shifted for a Croat.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Sardinians are mostly EEF + WHG + very few IE

Corsicans are like a mix of Italic and Sardinian.

do Sardinians have CHG?

[Mens-Sarda]

do Sardinians have CHG?

About Sardinian genetics :

https://indo-european.eu/2018/09/modern-sardinians-show-elevated-neolithic-farmer-ancestry-shared-with-basques/

https://indo-european.eu/2019/03/ancient-sardinia-hints-at-mesolithic-spread-of-r1b-v88-and-western-eef-related-expansion-of-vasconic/

[Roy]

interesting

but Basques are still more EEF and Steppe than WHG?

They are also 85%+ Rh-, they are extreme outliers in this regard. I do wonder whether it is because of how pre-IE people were alike or is it just some Basque thing, maybe it's a founder effect of sort?