Bronze Age English (from Kent) on GEDmatch

[Peterski]

I2462 Bronze Age England (dated to 2128-1891 calBCE) with 35% of Neolithic British ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/PiF4IW2.png

^^^
Uploaded to GEDmatch Genesis:

Kit number - JA6824664

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.41
2 North_Sea 28.27
3 West_Med 21.28
4 Baltic 9.08
5 Eastern_Euro 6.66
6 Red_Sea 1.37
7 Amerindian 1.07
8 West_Asian 0.79
9 East_Med 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 9.72
2 Spanish_Cantabria 10.2
3 Southwest_French 10.53
4 Spanish_Cataluna 10.74
5 South_Dutch 11.34
6 Spanish_Galicia 11.52
7 Southwest_English 11.61
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.69
9 Portuguese 12.3
10 Spanish_Aragon 13.05
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.31
12 Spanish_Extremadura 13.35
13 Southeast_English 13.47
14 Spanish_Murcia 13.48
15 Spanish_Valencia 13.71
16 West_German 14.84
17 Irish 15.05
18 Spanish_Andalucia 15.48
19 West_Scottish 15.64
20 North_German 16.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Southwest_French + 32.2% West_Norwegian @ 5.31
2 53.2% Southwest_French + 46.8% Southwest_English @ 5.33
3 63.1% Southwest_French + 36.9% Orcadian @ 5.47
4 54.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 45.7% Southwest_English @ 5.51
5 69% Spanish_Cantabria + 31% West_Norwegian @ 5.53
6 67% Southwest_French + 33% Norwegian @ 5.68
7 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Norwegian @ 5.73
8 64.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.5% Orcadian @ 5.79
9 63.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 36.5% West_Scottish @ 5.89
10 62.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.5% Irish @ 5.92
11 62.4% Southwest_French + 37.6% West_Scottish @ 5.94
12 64.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.1% North_Dutch @ 5.94
13 53.4% French_Basque + 46.6% Norwegian @ 5.94
14 63.8% Southwest_French + 36.2% North_Dutch @ 5.95
15 58.2% Southwest_French + 41.8% Southeast_English @ 6
16 70% Spanish_Cantabria + 30% Swedish @ 6.03
17 59.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 40.6% Southeast_English @ 6.03
18 61.5% Southwest_French + 38.5% Irish @ 6.05
19 69.1% Southwest_French + 30.9% Swedish @ 6.12
20 54.8% French_Basque + 45.2% West_Norwegian @ 6.17

^^^
See also my thread "Resurgence of Neolithic Britons", some Bronze Age samples had really high % of Neolithic British:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282366-Resurgence-of-Neolithic-Britons

[Slavic Italian]

Where's my Prussian kits?

[Bellbeaking]

Do you still think the later iron age resurgence was from a migration?

[Imperator Biff]

Yup, even to this day SE English are indeed the most southern shifted of all the isles populations.
Seems like some neolithics held out for a while in East Anglia/Kent before mixing with the beakers.

[Bellbeaking]

Yup, even to this day SE English are indeed the most southern shifted of all the isles populations.
Seems like some neolithics held out for a while in East Anglia/Kent before mixing with the beakers.


its pretty minor though, it goes up to like 13% Neolithic

I don't think neolithics mixing back in caused this:

1) Hinxton Iron Age Celtic Briton - 38% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

2) Hinxton Early Anglo-Saxon - 41.5% North Sea / 28.5% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

3) Modern Englishman from Kent - 35.5% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 11.5% Mediterranean

[Peterski]

Do you still think the later iron age resurgence was from a migration?

Modern South-Eastern English also have some Italian Neolithic admixture - not only British Neolithic admixture.

British Neolithic was closely related to Iberian Neolithic. Italian Neolithic ancestry had to arrive to Britain later.

[Grace O'Malley]

I2462 Bronze Age England (dated to 2128-1891 calBCE) with 35% of Neolithic British ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/PiF4IW2.png

^^^
Uploaded to GEDmatch Genesis:

Kit number - JA6824664

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.41
2 North_Sea 28.27
3 West_Med 21.28
4 Baltic 9.08
5 Eastern_Euro 6.66
6 Red_Sea 1.37
7 Amerindian 1.07
8 West_Asian 0.79
9 East_Med 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 9.72
2 Spanish_Cantabria 10.2
3 Southwest_French 10.53
4 Spanish_Cataluna 10.74
5 South_Dutch 11.34
6 Spanish_Galicia 11.52
7 Southwest_English 11.61
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.69
9 Portuguese 12.3
10 Spanish_Aragon 13.05
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.31
12 Spanish_Extremadura 13.35
13 Southeast_English 13.47
14 Spanish_Murcia 13.48
15 Spanish_Valencia 13.71
16 West_German 14.84
17 Irish 15.05
18 Spanish_Andalucia 15.48
19 West_Scottish 15.64
20 North_German 16.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Southwest_French + 32.2% West_Norwegian @ 5.31
2 53.2% Southwest_French + 46.8% Southwest_English @ 5.33
3 63.1% Southwest_French + 36.9% Orcadian @ 5.47
4 54.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 45.7% Southwest_English @ 5.51
5 69% Spanish_Cantabria + 31% West_Norwegian @ 5.53
6 67% Southwest_French + 33% Norwegian @ 5.68
7 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Norwegian @ 5.73
8 64.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.5% Orcadian @ 5.79
9 63.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 36.5% West_Scottish @ 5.89
10 62.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.5% Irish @ 5.92
11 62.4% Southwest_French + 37.6% West_Scottish @ 5.94
12 64.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.1% North_Dutch @ 5.94
13 53.4% French_Basque + 46.6% Norwegian @ 5.94
14 63.8% Southwest_French + 36.2% North_Dutch @ 5.95
15 58.2% Southwest_French + 41.8% Southeast_English @ 6
16 70% Spanish_Cantabria + 30% Swedish @ 6.03
17 59.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 40.6% Southeast_English @ 6.03
18 61.5% Southwest_French + 38.5% Irish @ 6.05
19 69.1% Southwest_French + 30.9% Swedish @ 6.12
20 54.8% French_Basque + 45.2% West_Norwegian @ 6.17

^^^
See also my thread "Resurgence of Neolithic Britons", some Bronze Age samples had really high % of Neolithic British:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282366-Resurgence-of-Neolithic-Britons

I've never seen any British get these results today as they now mostly plot with South Dutch and Belgians and the Irish plot with Scots, North Dutch etc.

[Bellbeaking]

I've never seen any British get these results today as they now mostly plot with South Dutch and Belgians and the Irish plot with Scots, North Dutch etc.

sure, check the olade paper, it has these samples in it that peterski is referring to, they did take these later samples into account but it just averaged quite low,

[Imperator Biff]

Modern South-Eastern English also have some Italian Neolithic admixture - not only British Neolithic admixture.

I can only wonder how they got this.....:rolleyes:

[J. Ketch]

South East England is going to have the least original DNA in the British Isles, both Neolithic and Bell Beaker, so this is likely pretty irrelevant.

[Imperator Biff]

its pretty minor though, it goes up to like 13% Neolithic

I don't think neolithics mixing back in caused this:

1) Hinxton Iron Age Celtic Briton - 38% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

2) Hinxton Early Anglo-Saxon - 41.5% North Sea / 28.5% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

3) Modern Englishman from Kent - 35.5% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 11.5% Mediterranean

Interestingly the Hinxton samples cluster closer to Irish on eurogenes calculators.

What do you think caused the resurgence of EEF ancestry?

[J. Ketch]

Yup, even to this day SE English are indeed the most southern shifted of all the isles populations.
Seems like some neolithics held out for a while in East Anglia/Kent before mixing with the beakers.
Cornwall and Devon have more EEF...

[Imperator Biff]

Cornwall and Devon have more EEF...

Any kit numbers for those regions?

[J. Ketch]

Any kit numbers for those regions?
No, but check the average EEF for Cornwall vs England overall in G25 (I believe the English average mostly comes from the SE as per Davidski's samples for his Gedmatch calculators).

Also my latest thread
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282922-Continental-likeness-of-British-regions

[Bellbeaking]

Interestingly the Hinxton samples cluster closer to Irish on eurogenes calculators.

What do you think caused the resurgence of EEF ancestry?

Possibilities:

Halstatt celts
Belgae
Romans



Cornwall and Devon have more EEF...


https://i.imgur.com/4v1uhtw.png

Looks like south wales may also be a region of elevated EEF. Would be consistent with the Romans comments on 'Silures'.

There aren't really any Wales kits though.

[J. Ketch]

If there was any Neolithic refuge in Britain it's Cornwall, as they have the most likeness to Bretons and West French, but it's probably just because they have the most original Gallic or Armorican like blood.

[J. Ketch]

Possibilities:

Halstatt celts
Belgae
Romans





https://i.imgur.com/4v1uhtw.png

Looks like south wales may also be a region of elevated EEF. Would be consistent with the Romans comments on 'Silures'.

There aren't really any Wales kits though.
Wales is a bit of a mystery altogether.