My parents are native Dalmatian shifted!

[Adam Janossy]

Pre-Slavic Dalmatians were like North Italians and Iberians, and my parents closer to them than average Croatian! Eurogenes K13

Father:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 31.96
2 North_Atlantic 28.65
3 West_Med 15.45
4 East_Med 12.27
5 West_Asian 8.18
6 East_Asian 1.49
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 Siberian 0.59
9 Northeast_African 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

1 Hungarian 4.86
2 Croatian 5.1
3 Moldavian 5.11
4 Serbian 6.01
5 Austrian 8.82
6 East_German 9.54
7 Romanian 9.87
8 South_Polish 11.41
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.45
10 Bulgarian 12.25
11 Ukrainian 12.36
12 Polish 15.15
13 West_German 15.65
14 Southwest_Russian 16.24
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.53
16 South_Dutch 17.09
17 Russian_Smolensk 17.7
18 Estonian_Polish 18.18
19 French 18.57
20 Belorussian 18.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 56.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.5% North_Italian @ 2.19
2 66.2% Ukrainian + 33.8% Tuscan @ 2.54
3 57% Southwest_Russian + 43% North_Italian @ 2.59
4 69.1% Serbian + 30.9% Ukrainian @ 2.63
5 67.3% Serbian + 32.7% South_Polish @ 2.63
6 68.1% South_Polish + 31.9% Tuscan @ 2.65
7 83.1% Croatian + 16.9% North_Italian @ 2.7
8 71.5% South_Polish + 28.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
9 55.4% Croatian + 44.6% Serbian @ 2.72
10 53.9% Romanian + 46.1% South_Polish @ 2.76
11 73.6% Serbian + 26.4% Polish @ 2.78
12 84.7% Croatian + 15.3% Tuscan @ 2.8
13 80.5% Serbian + 19.5% Estonian @ 2.88
14 70.5% South_Polish + 29.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.94
15 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.04
16 63.9% Ukrainian + 36.1% North_Italian @ 3.06
17 86% Croatian + 14% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
18 81.6% Serbian + 18.4% Lithuanian @ 3.08
19 68.1% Serbian + 31.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.09
20 69.8% Croatian + 30.2% Romanian @ 3.1

Mother:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 31.44
2 North_Atlantic 28.6
3 West_Med 15.53
4 East_Med 9.87
5 West_Asian 9.7
6 Red_Sea 3.03
7 South_Asian 0.99
8 Siberian 0.53
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

1 Moldavian 4.63
2 Croatian 4.98
3 Hungarian 5.04
4 Serbian 6.38
5 Austrian 8.19
6 East_German 8.99
7 Romanian 10.25
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.97
9 South_Polish 11.46
10 Ukrainian 12.54
11 Bulgarian 12.85
12 Polish 14.94
13 West_German 15.35
14 Southwest_Russian 16.38
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.48
16 South_Dutch 16.61
17 Russian_Smolensk 17.46
18 North_German 18.08
19 French 18.16
20 Estonian_Polish 18.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 79.9% Moldavian + 20.1% South_Dutch @ 2.04
2 65.7% Moldavian + 34.3% Austrian @ 2.09
3 78.9% Moldavian + 21.1% West_German @ 2.2
4 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% French @ 2.21
5 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% Southwest_English @ 2.22
6 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Southeast_English @ 2.36
7 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% West_Scottish @ 2.4
8 85.4% Moldavian + 14.6% Irish @ 2.41
9 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% Orcadian @ 2.5
10 84.4% Moldavian + 15.6% North_Dutch @ 2.54
11 82.3% Moldavian + 17.7% North_German @ 2.58
12 84.4% Moldavian + 15.6% Danish @ 2.63
13 56.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.2% North_Italian @ 2.68
14 69.6% Moldavian + 30.4% East_German @ 2.72
15 69.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.8% Tuscan @ 2.73
16 83.7% Croatian + 16.3% North_Italian @ 2.73
17 85.4% Croatian + 14.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.78
18 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% Norwegian @ 2.8
19 66.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.1% North_Italian @ 2.83
20 91.1% Moldavian + 8.9% French_Basque @ 2.86

[nittionia]

Welcome back (:

[Adam Janossy]

Welcome back (:

Thank you!

[Ylla]

Wb feiichy��

[HungryLion]

Dalmatian should be most I2a1b slavic branch?
I think they are, however, closer to the Slavs than the paleo balkans .

[Pribislav]

Dalmatian should be most I2a1b slavic branch?
I think they are, however, closer to the Slavs than the paleo balkans .

Her father is similar as you on K13.
You are slightly more northern shifted (you have little more North_Atlantic & Baltic, and less West_Asian).

[HungryLion]

Her father is similar as you on K13.
You are slightly more northern shifted (you have little more North_Atlantic & Baltic, and less West_Asian).

Yep...I guess her father is I2a1b-PH908..maybe even Y56203 .

[Pribislav]

Yep...I guess her father is I2a1b-PH908..maybe even Y56203 .

Yep, he is I2-PH908. Not sure for sub-branch.

Her father is from Western Bosnia. You ancestors lived in Western Bosnia before migration on Banija right?

[CommonSense]

This is just normal genetic variation, I wouldn't say they are at all 'western' or close to Italians since both of them have over 30% Baltic. This man from Zadar, whose results I posted not too long ago, is a much better example. Never seen anyone from that area with such a NA/Baltic ratio:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281473-Croat-from-Zadar-gedmatch-results

[Bosniensis]

Yep, he is I2-PH908. Not sure for sub-branch.

Her father is from Western Bosnia. You ancestors lived in Western Bosnia before migration on Banija right?

FTDNA asks for $129 to tell you sub-branch of PH908...

I have decided to keep guessing...

[HungryLion]

Yep, he is I2-PH908. Not sure for sub-branch.

Her father is from Western Bosnia. You ancestors lived in Western Bosnia before migration on Banija right?

Yes they do...Herzegovina, Western Bosnia than Krajina.

[Pribislav]

Yes they do...Herzegovina, Western Bosnia than Krajina.

Jana claim the furthest paternal origin from Herzegovina. Make sense, PH908 has a peak in Herzegovina.

Banija/Kordun Serbs originated from Herzegovina, Central Bosnia and Raška. Serbs from all these region meet each other in northwestern Bosnia in 16th century, and in late 17th century they migrated to Kordun and Banija.
More northern ploting Kordun and Banija Serbs than other Serbs is probably related with Central Bosnia.

[HungryLion]

Jana claim the furthest paternal origin from Herzegovina. Make sense, PH908 has a peak in Herzegovina.

Banija/Kordun Serbs originated from Herzegovina, Central Bosnia and Raška. Serbs from all these region meet each other in northwestern Bosnia in 16th century, and in late 17th century they migrated to Kordun and Banija.
More northern ploting Kordun and Banija Serbs than other Serbs is probably related with Central Bosnia.

possible, we will soon see the results of the 15th century Serbian Duke...

the people of Central Bosnia did not change the way of life, while in contrast to them, the hercegovians had to go to the mountains if they did not want to change the fate.
this certainly did have a slight impact on genetics, as they had more contact with the paleo balkans in the mountains

[HungryLion]

Before that I believe they were pretty much the same..I also have strong indications to believe that most of the rulers came from Zahumlje.

[Dick]

possible, we will soon see the results of the 15th century Serbian Duke...

Who?

[Pribislav]

possible, we will soon see the results of the 15th century Serbian Duke...

the people of Central Bosnia did not change the way of life, while in contrast to them, the hercegovians had to go to the mountains if they did not want to change the fate.
this certainly did have a slight impact on genetics, as they had more contact with the paleo balkans in the mountains

I remdmber on Poreklo when they said that extra Slavic genetic among Banija and Kordun Serbs is related with Central Bosnia. They thought that part of Kordun/Banija Serb I2a and R1a came from Central Bosnia, and not all from Herzegovina.
I2a and R1a reach higher % among Kordun/Banija Serbs than Serbian average.

[HungryLion]

Who?

Duke Nikola Rašković hoppe he is proces

[HungryLion]

I remdmber on Poreklo when they said that extra Slavic genetic among Banija and Kordun Serbs is related with Central Bosnia. They thought that part of Kordun/Banija Serb I2a and R1a came from Central Bosnia, and not all from Herzegovina.
I2a and R1a reach higher % among Kordun/Banija Serbs than Serbian average.

Yeah, I agree...I know I read about that

[Adam Janossy]

Dalmatian should be most I2a1b slavic branch?
I think they are, however, closer to the Slavs than the paleo balkans .

Yes they are, it is just my parents are bit more southwestern than Croatian average on Eurogenes. Dalmatians essentialy are mix of northeast and southwest Europeans, but more Slavic.

[Adam Janossy]

Jana claim the furthest paternal origin from Herzegovina. Make sense, PH908 has a peak in Herzegovina.

I was researching, and Dalmatian Zagora could be original starting spot.
Zagora-Herzegovina-Hungary-Bosnian Frontier

Female lines from Bosanska Krajina are probably native and pre-Ottoman.

[Adam Janossy]

What is logical is that southeastern shifted individuals arrived to Dalmatia during and after Ottoman times. Ancient natives were western mediterranean shifted, and invading Slavic population mixed with them.