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Kaspias
03-18-2019, 04:47 PM
mt-DNA: H

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.5
2 West_Med 19.85
3 Baltic 17.03
4 North_Atlantic 16.07
5 West_Asian 14.89
6 Red_Sea 4.58
7 Siberian 1.56
8 East_Asian 1.5
9 Amerindian 1.36
10 Sub-Saharan 1.13
11 South_Asian 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.76
2 Bulgarian 9.22
3 Central_Greek 9.45
4 East_Sicilian 10.78
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.81
6 Romanian 11.39
7 West_Sicilian 12.35
8 Ashkenazi 13.65
9 Tuscan 13.67
10 South_Italian 13.72
11 Serbian 15.65
12 North_Italian 17.1
13 Algerian_Jewish 19.29
14 Sephardic_Jewish 19.5
15 Italian_Jewish 19.95
16 Moldavian 20.16
17 Turkish 22.03
18 Tunisian_Jewish 22.82
19 Libyan_Jewish 23.14
20 Croatian 23.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Nogay @ 3.39
2 87.3% Greek_Thessaly + 12.7% Kabardin @ 3.74
3 81.1% Central_Greek + 18.9% Erzya @ 3.78
4 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Balkar @ 3.86
5 73.9% South_Italian + 26.1% Erzya @ 3.96
6 81% Central_Greek + 19% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.96
7 77.3% Central_Greek + 22.7% Tatar @ 3.97
8 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% North_Ossetian @ 3.98
9 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.11
10 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Ossetian @ 4.12
11 91.3% Greek_Thessaly + 8.7% Hazara @ 4.13
12 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Chechen @ 4.13
13 87.2% Greek_Thessaly + 12.8% Kumyk @ 4.14
14 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Adygei @ 4.17
15 90.3% Greek_Thessaly + 9.7% Uzbeki @ 4.17
16 82% Central_Greek + 18% Chuvash @ 4.17
17 70% Central_Greek + 30% Moldavian @ 4.18
18 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.21
19 90.8% Greek_Thessaly + 9.2% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.24
20 91.3% Greek_Thessaly + 8.7% Uygur @ 4.29




Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.93
2 West_Med 15.88
3 West_Asian 14.32
4 North_Sea 12.35
5 Baltic 11.77
6 Atlantic 9.41
7 Eastern_Euro 6.92
8 Red_Sea 4.34
9 Southeast_Asian 1.28
10 Siberian 1.26
11 Amerindian 1.16
12 Sub-Saharan 1.05
13 South_Asian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.89
2 Greek 7.59
3 Bulgarian 8.85
4 Ashkenazi 8.94
5 Central_Greek 9.17
6 East_Sicilian 10.23
7 Romanian 10.47
8 Italian_Abruzzo 10.48
9 Tuscan 12.36
10 South_Italian 12.78
11 West_Sicilian 12.85
12 Serbian 14.14
13 North_Italian 16.52
14 Italian_Jewish 16.86
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.7
16 Moldavian 17.96
17 Algerian_Jewish 18.16
18 Turkish 20.65
19 Croatian 20.79
20 Hungarian 20.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.4% Greek_Thessaly + 12.6% Nogay @ 2.86
2 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Kabardin @ 3.39
3 90.2% Greek_Thessaly + 9.8% Balkar @ 3.4
4 90.8% Greek_Thessaly + 9.2% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.5
5 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% Kumyk @ 3.55
6 90.9% Greek_Thessaly + 9.1% Chechen @ 3.57
7 90.4% Greek_Thessaly + 9.6% Lezgin @ 3.59
8 91.4% Greek_Thessaly + 8.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.59
9 92.6% Greek_Thessaly + 7.4% Hazara @ 3.62
10 91.6% Greek_Thessaly + 8.4% Uzbeki @ 3.62
11 91% Greek_Thessaly + 9% Adygei @ 3.64
12 90.8% Greek_Thessaly + 9.2% Tabassaran @ 3.65
13 91.5% Greek_Thessaly + 8.5% Ossetian @ 3.67
14 92% Greek_Thessaly + 8% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.68
15 92.5% Greek_Thessaly + 7.5% Uygur @ 3.7
16 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Turkmen @ 3.72
17 90.9% Greek_Thessaly + 9.1% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.76
18 90.5% Greek_Thessaly + 9.5% Tadjik @ 3.78
19 90.1% Greek_Thessaly + 9.9% Tatar @ 3.79
20 91% Greek_Thessaly + 9% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.82



PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 32.85
2 NE_European 31.13
3 Caucasian 20.69
4 SW_Asian 7.92
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.22
6 Beringian 1.28
7 Siberian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.78
9 Wht_Nile_River 0.58
10 Omo_River 0.55
11 E_Asian 0.4
12 W_African 0.32
13 S_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.15
2 Greek_Central 5.2
3 Albanian 6.13
4 Tuscan 7.09
5 Montenegrin 8.68
6 Italian 9.38
7 Bulgarian 9.43
8 Romanian 10.3
9 Macedonian 10.8
10 Ashkenazy_Jew 12.08
11 Bosnian 12.45
12 Sicilian 13.72
13 Brazilian 15.43
14 Sephardic_Jew 15.97
15 Serbian 16.8
16 Portuguese 17.11
17 Spaniard 17.92
18 French 20.14
19 Croatian 21.94
20 South_German 22.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Macedonian + 27.1% Palestinian @ 2.12
2 75% Bulgarian + 25% Lebanese @ 2.23
3 74.5% Macedonian + 25.5% Samaritian @ 2.23
4 75.4% Macedonian + 24.6% Druze @ 2.27
5 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Lebanese @ 2.35
6 72.3% Macedonian + 27.7% Lebanese @ 2.41
7 95.3% Greek_Thessaly + 4.7% Koryak @ 2.43
8 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Palestinian @ 2.46
9 53.5% Hungarian + 46.5% Cypriot @ 2.46
10 56.4% Bosnian + 43.6% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.47
11 69.2% Bosnian + 30.8% Cypriot @ 2.5
12 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Druze @ 2.52
13 74% Romanian + 26% Palestinian @ 2.57
14 65% Serbian + 35% Samaritian @ 2.58
15 76.9% Bulgarian + 23.1% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.62
16 50.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 49.2% Bosnian @ 2.71
17 76.9% Bulgarian + 23.1% Syrian @ 2.71
18 55.4% Cypriot + 44.6% Polish @ 2.71
19 75.2% Romanian + 24.8% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.72
20 55.7% Croatian + 44.3% Cypriot @ 2.75



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.57
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 19.7
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.39
4 Near_East 7.78
5 South_Central_Asian 7.22
6 North_African 3.51
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.99
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.41
9 Arctic 1.25
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.1
11 Amerindian 0.63
12 East_Siberian 0.39
13 Archaic_African 0.38
14 South_Indian 0.28
15 Khoisan 0.25
16 Melano_Polynesian 0.07
17 East_African 0.05
18 South_East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian ( ) 4.83
2 Macedonian ( ) 5.5
3 Montenegrian ( ) 6.56
4 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.79
5 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 7.36
6 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 7.51
7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 7.52
8 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.68
9 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.93
10 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 8.1
11 Serb_BH ( ) 8.33
12 Croat ( ) 8.61
13 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.63
14 Bosnian ( ) 8.64
15 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 8.8
16 Romanian ( ) 8.93
17 Croat_BH ( ) 9.02
18 Gagauz ( ) 9.06
19 Ashkenazi ( ) 9.29
20 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 9.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.1% Cretan ( ) + 33.9% German ( ) @ 2.45
2 55.3% Cretan ( ) + 44.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 2.52
3 67% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 33% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.54
4 72.9% Cretan ( ) + 27.1% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.56
5 59.8% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 40.2% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 2.62
6 70.9% Cretan ( ) + 29.1% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2.62
7 82.7% Bulgarian ( ) + 17.3% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 2.68
8 69.6% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 30.4% Italian_North ( ) @ 2.7
9 59.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 40.4% German ( ) @ 2.75
10 67.2% Montenegrian ( ) + 32.8% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 2.75
11 58.2% Cretan ( ) + 41.8% Czech ( ) @ 2.76
12 77.4% Montenegrian ( ) + 22.6% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.79
13 57.8% Cretan ( ) + 42.2% Hungarian ( ) @ 2.8
14 72.5% Montenegrian ( ) + 27.5% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 2.83
15 57% Cretan ( ) + 43% Slovenian ( ) @ 2.83
16 80% Bulgarian ( ) + 20% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 2.85
17 51.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 48.2% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.87
18 86.3% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 13.7% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 2.87
19 57.4% Cypriot ( ) + 42.6% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2.88
20 51.2% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 48.8% Czech ( ) @ 2.9



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.85
2 Neolithic 23.94
3 Steppe 14.54
4 NorthEastEuropean 14.02
5 NearEast 3.92
6 NorthAfrican 3.05
7 Siberian 1.38
8 Indian 0.98
9 Arctic 0.83
10 Amerindian 0.68
11 Oceanic 0.4
12 Ancestor 0.36
13 SouthEastAsian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Greece) 3.24
2 Greek (Peloponnes) 3.59
3 Albanian (Albania) 3.78
4 Greek (Thessaloniki) 3.93
5 Greek (Macedonia) 4.13
6 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 4.35
7 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.24
8 Kosovar (Kosovo) 5.4
9 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.83
10 Italian (SouthItaly) 6.83
11 Greek (Athens) 7.05
12 Romanian (Romania) 7.15
13 Sicilian (Sicily) 7.19
14 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.39
15 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.66
16 Macedonian (Macedonia) 7.77
17 Jew (Ashkenazim) 7.81
18 Maltese (Malta) 7.94
19 Romanian (Gorj) 8.22
20 Jew (Ashkenazi) 8.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87% Albanian (Albania) + 13% Ava (Dagestan_Khunzakh) @ 1.94
2 86.9% Albanian (Albania) + 13.1% Dargin (Urkarah) @ 2.01
3 81.1% Greek (Athens) + 18.9% Finn (EastFinland) @ 2.02
4 51.4% Romanian (Gorj) + 48.6% Greek (Greece) @ 2.06
5 89.7% Greek (Greece) + 10.3% Ava (Dagestan_Khunzakh) @ 2.07
6 86.8% Albanian (Albania) + 13.2% Avar (Dagestan) @ 2.07
7 87.5% Albanian (Albania) + 12.5% Lak (Dagestan) @ 2.08
8 69.1% Greek (Macedonia) + 30.9% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.09
9 77.6% Greek (Athens) + 22.4% Cossack (Kuban) @ 2.12
10 87.5% Albanian (Albania) + 12.5% Tabasaran (Dagestan) @ 2.12
11 90.1% Greek (Greece) + 9.9% Nogai (Dagestan) @ 2.12
12 89.5% Greek (Greece) + 10.5% Avar (Dagestan) @ 2.13
13 89.8% Greek (Greece) + 10.2% Dargin (Urkarah) @ 2.14
14 71.9% Greek (Greece) + 28.1% Irish (Ireland) @ 2.15
15 80.9% Greek (Athens) + 19.1% Russian (NorthRussia) @ 2.15
16 67.3% Romanian (Apuseni) + 32.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.16
17 73.2% Greek (Macedonia) + 26.8% Romanian (Apuseni) @ 2.17
18 85.6% Albanian (Albania) + 14.4% Kumyk (Stalskoe) @ 2.17
19 86.3% Greek (Macedonia) + 13.7% Spanish (Canarias) @ 2.18
20 90.2% Greek (Greece) + 9.8% Tabasaran (Dagestan) @ 2.18



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.37
2 Atlantic_Med 24.4
3 North_European 24.37
4 Southwest_Asian 10.03
5 Gedrosia 7.01
6 East_Asian 1.84
7 Siberian 1.71
8 Northwest_African 1.09
9 East_African 1.06
10 Sub_Saharan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.57
2 Greek (Dodecad) 10.44
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.13
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.04
5 Romanians (Behar) 12.32
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.86
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.41
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.82
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.07
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.16
11 Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.29
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.43
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.23
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.83
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 20.55
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.03
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.27
18 Hungarians (Behar) 25.79
19 Turks (Behar) 26.21
20 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.33
2 75% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.44
3 59.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 40.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.54
4 59.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 40.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.64
5 52.8% German (Dodecad) + 47.2% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.74
6 78.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.83
7 79% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.9
8 52% Cypriots (Behar) + 48% German (Dodecad) @ 4.07
9 54.8% Druze (HGDP) + 45.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 4.16
10 74.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.16
11 75% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25% Russian (HGDP) @ 4.3
12 55.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 44.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 4.33
13 50.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 49.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.36
14 75% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25% Russian_B (Behar) @ 4.42
15 51.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 48.5% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.45
16 73.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 4.51
17 78.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.69
18 78.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 4.73
19 77.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 4.76
20 79% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 4.77



Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian 0.61 Pct
Arabian 0.10 Pct
Armenian 3.89 Pct
Basque 1.26 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.88 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.68 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.71 Pct
East_Central_Euro 8.46 Pct
East_Med 9.54 Pct
Eastern_Euro 5.53 Pct
Fennoscandian 1.21 Pct
French -
Iberian 5.83 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.88 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 14.39 Pct
North_African 0.34 Pct
North_Atlantic 0.07 Pct
North_Caucasian 5.79 Pct
North_Sea 4.60 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.97 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.11 Pct
West_Med 5.10 Pct


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Ryuk
03-18-2019, 04:52 PM
%3,5 ENA input

Normal results for a Greece/Semi-Greece Turk

lonewolfcypriot
03-18-2019, 04:55 PM
convert. bulgars have similar results

Kaspias
03-18-2019, 04:56 PM
%3,5 ENA input

Normal results for a Greece/Semi-Greece Turk

Yeah expected. Western Thrace average is 6%.

Also Ioannina migrators are very rare in Turkey(since most of them killed), we didn't have any data about them till now. I still don't have pure Turkish speaker Ioannina result but i have a few mixed one, i'm going to post them nowadays.

Kaspias
03-18-2019, 04:56 PM
convert. bulgars have similar results

16 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Turkmen @ 3.72

Ryuk
03-18-2019, 04:57 PM
convert. bulgars have similar results

Bulgars have %0-1 ENA. She has clear Turkic ancestry.

lonewolfcypriot
03-18-2019, 05:00 PM
Bulgars have %0-1 ENA. She has clear Turkic ancestry.

She probably does. but it's very low. In my book, anything lower than 5% is a convert.

Kaspias
03-18-2019, 05:02 PM
She probably does. but it's very low

Yeah true. I suspect Ioanninan side is convert.

Ryuk
03-18-2019, 05:03 PM
She probably does. but it's very low. In my book, anything lower than 5% is a convert.

Then you should update your book.

lonewolfcypriot
03-18-2019, 05:04 PM
Then you should update your book.

that's just my opinion, if you think otherwise than that's perfectly fine.

Bosniensis
03-18-2019, 05:06 PM
@OP

I don't See Turkic Admixture as in your previous posts or it's very weak.

Kaspias
03-18-2019, 05:08 PM
@OP

I don't See Turkic Admixture as in your previous posts or it's very weak.

Because she don't have much. But still not convert it is clear lol.

Saying 90% Greek 10% Turk would be clear actually.

lonewolfcypriot
03-18-2019, 05:09 PM
low in my opinion, I suspect that she does have Turkic ancestry but it got diluted over time. Maybe one side of her family is Greek.

Bosniensis
03-18-2019, 05:10 PM
mtDNA H is typical european mtDNA, my mother got H28...

Leto
03-18-2019, 05:12 PM
Theoretically one can have a full Yakut ancestor that lived 5-6 generations ago and be only 1-2% mongoloid.

Kaspias
03-18-2019, 05:17 PM
low in my opinion, I suspect that she does have Turkic ancestry but it got diluted over time. Maybe one side of her family is Greek.

Yes. But Xanthi was Bulgarian and Turk settlement so only option is..


mtDNA H is typical european mtDNA, my mother got H28...

Yes. I also got H2a2a. Doesn't mean much


Theoretically one can have a full Yakut ancestor that lived 5-6 generations ago and be only 1-2% mongoloid.

Yes. But she don't have Yakut ancestry but Turkmen(25-30% EE) ancestry. So she had Turk ancestry from at least one side that lived ~3 generation ago.

Kaspias
03-18-2019, 09:32 PM
Bump