Al Andalus kit

[FilhoV]

From a late period 1400’s I believe

Someone gave me a list of kits from samples of that era

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit AQ3736072

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.57
2 West_Med 22.61
3 East_Med 17.57
4 Baltic 12.6
5 Red_Sea 8.16
6 Northeast_African 6.08
7 Siberian 1.99
8 East_Asian 0.4
9 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 10.7
2 North_Italian 10.89
3 Spanish_Galicia 11.37
4 Spanish_Extremadura 11.5
5 Spanish_Murcia 12.24
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.32
7 Tuscan 12.86
8 Spanish_Andalucia 13.66
9 Spanish_Valencia 13.87
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.07
11 Spanish_Cataluna 14.08
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.51
13 French 16.2
14 Spanish_Aragon 16.76
15 Southwest_French 17.18
16 West_Sicilian 17.52
17 Greek_Thessaly 18
18 Romanian 18.27
19 Serbian 18.84
20 Italian_Abruzzo 19.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Portuguese + 13.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 5.48
2 86.6% Portuguese + 13.4% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 5.67
3 85.3% Spanish_Galicia + 14.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 5.69
4 63.7% French + 36.3% Moroccan @ 5.79
5 79% Spanish_Galicia + 21% Egyptian @ 5.83
6 85.8% Spanish_Galicia + 14.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 5.93
7 69.5% Southwest_French + 30.5% Egyptian @ 6.01
8 77.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 22.6% Egyptian @ 6.14
9 83.4% Spanish_Galicia + 16.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.16
10 80.7% Portuguese + 19.3% Egyptian @ 6.17
11 82.2% Spanish_Valencia + 17.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.18
12 85.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 14.4% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.34
13 82.6% Spanish_Valencia + 17.4% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.34
14 75.6% Portuguese + 24.4% Moroccan @ 6.47
15 84.9% Portuguese + 15.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.48
16 86% Spanish_Extremadura + 14% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.49
17 82.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.52
18 84.7% Spanish_Murcia + 15.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.54
19 82.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 17.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.55
20 63.5% French + 36.5% Algerian @ 6.56


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moroccan +50% Southeast_English @ 6.702939


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian +25% French_Basque +25% North_Swedish @ 6.365677


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.378140
2 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.395324
3 Moroccan + Serbian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.405129
4 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Moroccan + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.418974
5 Hungarian + Moroccan + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.470739
6 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Moroccan + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.489616
7 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.509048
8 Moroccan + Serbian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.524005
9 French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Moroccan + North_Swedish @ 5.539454
10 Hungarian + Moroccan + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.552178
11 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Moroccan + North_Swedish @ 5.565594
12 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.589209
13 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.605330
14 Moroccan + Portuguese + Serbian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.615096
15 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.624007
16 Austrian + Moroccan + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.647149
17 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Moroccan + North_Swedish @ 5.652889
18 French_Basque + Moroccan + Southwest_Finnish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.654861
19 Moroccan + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.655671
20 Hungarian + Moroccan + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.656034

[FilhoV]

I have a list of 10-15 kit s I’ll post later

Cheers

[Voskos]

Very interesring.

[FilhoV]

This is one from an earlier period

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit FR8890500

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.35
2 West_Med 22.35
3 North_Atlantic 16.43
4 Red_Sea 11.61
5 Baltic 6.66
6 West_Asian 5.65
7 Northeast_African 2.3
8 Amerindian 1.53
9 South_Asian 0.85
10 Oceanian 0.68
11 Siberian 0.57
12 East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 8.89
2 Algerian_Jewish 9.03
3 East_Sicilian 9.29
4 West_Sicilian 9.33
5 Italian_Jewish 9.6
6 Sephardic_Jewish 9.96
7 South_Italian 10.45
8 Central_Greek 11.5
9 Libyan_Jewish 11.81
10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.98
11 Italian_Abruzzo 12.51
12 Tuscan 13.93
13 Greek_Thessaly 13.99
14 Tunisian 17.45
15 Algerian 17.94
16 Cyprian 18.75
17 Moroccan 19.38
18 North_Italian 19.66
19 Mozabite_Berber 19.85
20 Syrian 21.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Tuscan + 28.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.3
2 62.9% North_Italian + 37.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.35
3 80.8% West_Sicilian + 19.2% Saudi @ 5.62
4 81.1% West_Sicilian + 18.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.64
5 72% Libyan_Jewish + 28% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.74
6 75.8% Libyan_Jewish + 24.2% Southwest_French @ 5.78
7 73.4% Ashkenazi + 26.6% Moroccan @ 5.85
8 55.2% Samaritan + 44.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.88
9 71.3% Tuscan + 28.7% Saudi @ 5.9
10 63.6% Tuscan + 36.4% Egyptian @ 6.05
11 64.8% Libyan_Jewish + 35.2% North_Italian @ 6.06
12 71.5% Libyan_Jewish + 28.5% Portuguese @ 6.06
13 75% Libyan_Jewish + 25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.08
14 72% Tunisian_Jewish + 28% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.09
15 80% Algerian_Jewish + 20% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.12
16 54.2% Samaritan + 45.8% Portuguese @ 6.13
17 63.4% Tuscan + 36.6% Bedouin @ 6.15
18 71.3% Libyan_Jewish + 28.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.16
19 60.1% Samaritan + 39.9% Southwest_French @ 6.22
20 75.9% Tunisian_Jewish + 24.1% Sout

[xripkan]

Very interesting! The first seems more Iberian. The samples belong only to Muslims or to Christians as well? Do you know their haplogroups?

[FilhoV]

Very interesting! The first seems more Iberian. The samples belong only to Muslims or to Christians as well? Do you know their haplogroups?

First 1 is EB1 and H and they were Muslims if I am correct

[xripkan]

First 1 is EB1 and H and they were Muslims if I am correct

It could be either Iberian or African neolithic.

[FilhoV]

Sample I10892 from Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia (vauge dated: VIII-XII century AD)

kit HZ6463887

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.75
2 West_Med 19.55
3 North_Sea 19.25
4 East_Med 16.45
5 Red_Sea 2.78
6 West_Asian 2.73
7 Baltic 2.67
8 South_Asian 1.82
9 Eastern_Euro 0.7
10 Northeast_African 0.56
11 Siberian 0.39
12 Southeast_Asian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Murcia 5.96
2 Spanish_Valencia 6.8
3 Spanish_Andalucia 7.38
4 Spanish_Extremadura 7.53
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.56
6 Spanish_Aragon 8.21
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.27
8 Spanish_Cataluna 8.33
9 Portuguese 9.08
10 North_Italian 10.27
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.29
12 Spanish_Galicia 11.21
13 Southwest_French 11.64
14 Tuscan 14.4
15 French 14.92
16 French_Basque 17.17
17 West_Sicilian 18.92
18 South_Dutch 19.13
19 Italian_Abruzzo 20.23
20 West_German 21.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87% Spanish_Aragon + 13% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.01
2 87.2% Spanish_Aragon + 12.8% Palestinian @ 5.45
3 94.8% Spanish_Murcia + 5.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.47
4 92.9% Spanish_Valencia + 7.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.51
5 89.6% Spanish_Aragon + 10.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.51

[Sp_loa]

Al andalus was indeed a melting pot!
Second kit is like Jews, first Iberian-Berber mix and last one closer to modern Iberians.

[FilhoV]

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit AQ3736072

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 31.48
2 Caucasian 20.93
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 15.09
4 North_African 13.36
5 Near_East 7.37
6 African_Pygmy 3.61
7 South_Central_Asian 3.3
8 Australoid 1.71
9 South_East_Asian 1.66
10 Subsaharian 0.8
11 East_Siberian 0.57
12 Khoisan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portugese ( ) 10.59
2 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 13.93
3 French ( ) 14.54
4 English ( ) 14.57
5 North_European ( ) 14.61
6 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 14.91
7 Belgian ( ) 15.05
8 Welsh ( ) 15.33
9 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 15.44
10 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 15.48
11 CEU ( ) 15.49
12 South_German ( ) 15.54
13 Irish ( ) 16.13
14 British ( ) 16.16
15 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) 16.19
16 Norwegian_East ( ) 16.26
17 Frisian ( ) 16.37
18 Spaniard ( ) 16.39
19 German-Volga ( ) 16.48
20 Dutch ( ) 16.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.5% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 25.5% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 4.77
2 76.7% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 23.3% Lebanese ( ) @ 4.81
3 75.7% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 24.3% Palestinian ( ) @ 4.89
4 77.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 22.6% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 4.91
5 77% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 23% Syrian ( ) @ 5.02
6 77.5% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 22.5% Samaritian ( ) @ 5.03
7 78% Portugese ( ) + 22% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 5.22
8 80% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 20% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 5.23
9 80% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 20% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 5.25
10 74.6% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 25.4% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 5.3
11 80.3% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 19.7% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 5.3
12 81.7% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 18.3% Druze ( ) @ 5.32
13 74.8% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 25.2% Moroccan ( ) @ 5.36
14 67.3% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 32.7% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 5.38
15 77% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 23% Saharawi ( ) @ 5.38
16 72.1% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 27.9% Morocco_South ( ) @ 5.38
17 80.3% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 19.7% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 5.4
18 70.5% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 29.5% Tunisian ( ) @ 5.42
19 79.5% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) + 20.5% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 5.43
20 75.8%

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Great thread man, muslims non euro admixture is obvious.

[FilhoV]

I wonder if this guy took a 23andMe what his results would look like He is essentially Iberian

[FilhoV]

Great thread man, muslims non euro admixture is obvious.

Thanks

[FilhoV]

I know family tree DNA does autosomal transfere be interesting to see what this guy is on that platform

[Pine]

This is one from an earlier period

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit FR8890500

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.35
2 West_Med 22.35
3 North_Atlantic 16.43
4 Red_Sea 11.61
5 Baltic 6.66
6 West_Asian 5.65
7 Northeast_African 2.3
8 Amerindian 1.53
9 South_Asian 0.85
10 Oceanian 0.68
11 Siberian 0.57
12 East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 8.89
2 Algerian_Jewish 9.03
3 East_Sicilian 9.29
4 West_Sicilian 9.33
5 Italian_Jewish 9.6
6 Sephardic_Jewish 9.96
7 South_Italian 10.45
8 Central_Greek 11.5
9 Libyan_Jewish 11.81
10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.98
11 Italian_Abruzzo 12.51
12 Tuscan 13.93
13 Greek_Thessaly 13.99
14 Tunisian 17.45
15 Algerian 17.94
16 Cyprian 18.75
17 Moroccan 19.38
18 North_Italian 19.66
19 Mozabite_Berber 19.85
20 Syrian 21.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Tuscan + 28.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.3
2 62.9% North_Italian + 37.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.35
3 80.8% West_Sicilian + 19.2% Saudi @ 5.62
4 81.1% West_Sicilian + 18.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.64
5 72% Libyan_Jewish + 28% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.74
6 75.8% Libyan_Jewish + 24.2% Southwest_French @ 5.78
7 73.4% Ashkenazi + 26.6% Moroccan @ 5.85
8 55.2% Samaritan + 44.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.88
9 71.3% Tuscan + 28.7% Saudi @ 5.9
10 63.6% Tuscan + 36.4% Egyptian @ 6.05
11 64.8% Libyan_Jewish + 35.2% North_Italian @ 6.06
12 71.5% Libyan_Jewish + 28.5% Portuguese @ 6.06
13 75% Libyan_Jewish + 25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.08
14 72% Tunisian_Jewish + 28% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.09
15 80% Algerian_Jewish + 20% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.12
16 54.2% Samaritan + 45.8% Portuguese @ 6.13
17 63.4% Tuscan + 36.6% Bedouin @ 6.15
18 71.3% Libyan_Jewish + 28.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.16
19 60.1% Samaritan + 39.9% Southwest_French @ 6.22
20 75.9% Tunisian_Jewish + 24.1% Sout

What period?

[Ibericus]

No, FR8890500 is from 1500-1600 CE, he seems to have escaped Jewish expulsion of 1492.

[Pine]

No, FR8890500 is from 1500-1600 CE, he seems to have escaped Jewish expulsion of 1492.

Unfortunately, kit can't be found on gedmatch anymore.

[Ibericus]

Unfortunately, kit can't be found on gedmatch anymore.

are you using gedmatch genesis ?

[FilhoV]

Bump