Hungarian Gedmatch from Vojvodina

[Kaspias]

y-DNA: N-PH1896


Eurogenes K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.54
2 North_Atlantic 24.47
3 West_Med 18.62
4 East_Med 11.85
5 West_Asian 5.62
6 East_Asian 3.44
7 Siberian 2.02
8 Amerindian 1.26
9 Red_Sea 1.03
10 Northeast_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.38
2 Croatian 7.65
3 Serbian 7.79
4 Hungarian 9.64
5 Romanian 10.32
6 Bulgarian 11.93
7 Austrian 12.92
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.1
9 East_German 13.35
10 Ukrainian 13.92
11 South_Polish 14.1
12 Polish 17.26
13 Southwest_Russian 17.84
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.37
15 West_German 19.09
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.42
17 Estonian_Polish 19.62
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.83
19 South_Dutch 20.21
20 Belorussian 20.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87% Croatian + 13% Sardinian @ 4.56
2 90.4% Moldavian + 9.6% Sardinian @ 4.62
3 69.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.1% Sardinian @ 4.74
4 70.6% Southwest_Russian + 29.4% Sardinian @ 4.82
5 52% North_Italian + 48% Erzya @ 4.87
6 67.1% Ukrainian + 32.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.9
7 63.7% Ukrainian + 36.3% Tuscan @ 4.99
8 87.3% Moldavian + 12.7% Southwest_French @ 5.25
9 87.2% Moldavian + 12.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.25
10 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% Sardinian @ 5.28
11 87.5% Moldavian + 12.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.29
12 88% Moldavian + 12% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.31
13 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Sardinian @ 5.32
14 85.3% Moldavian + 14.7% North_Italian @ 5.32
15 86.5% Moldavian + 13.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.33
16 89% Moldavian + 11% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.33
17 87.8% Moldavian + 12.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.33
18 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.34
19 88.2% Moldavian + 11.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.35
20 86.7% Moldavian + 13.3% Portuguese @ 5.35



Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.71
2 North_Sea 16.91
3 West_Med 15.43
4 Atlantic 13.84
5 Eastern_Euro 12.89
6 East_Med 7.52
7 West_Asian 5.26
8 Southeast_Asian 3.08
9 Siberian 1.16
10 Amerindian 1.12
11 Red_Sea 0.85
12 Northeast_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.55
2 Croatian 7.4
3 Hungarian 9.42
4 Serbian 9.68
5 Romanian 10.69
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.45
7 Austrian 11.5
8 Ukrainian 11.98
9 Bulgarian 12.15
10 South_Polish 12.45
11 East_German 13.21
12 Polish 14.91
13 Russian_Smolensk 15.55
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.92
15 Southwest_Russian 16.29
16 Estonian_Polish 17.28
17 Belorussian 17.52
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.6
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.62
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.6% Sardinian @ 4.38
2 77.7% Ukrainian + 22.3% Sardinian @ 4.77
3 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Sardinian @ 4.79
4 88.1% Croatian + 11.9% Sardinian @ 5.32
5 77.4% South_Polish + 22.6% Sardinian @ 5.49
6 71.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.1% Sardinian @ 5.59
7 71.5% Southwest_Russian + 28.5% Sardinian @ 5.72
8 87.8% Moldavian + 12.2% Southwest_French @ 5.75
9 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% She @ 5.8
10 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Tujia @ 5.81
11 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Miaozu @ 5.81
12 88.6% Moldavian + 11.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.82
13 88.6% Moldavian + 11.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.83
14 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Lahu @ 5.83
15 97.1% Moldavian + 2.9% Dai @ 5.84
16 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Yizu @ 5.84
17 97% Moldavian + 3% Vietnamese @ 5.84
18 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Naxi @ 5.85
19 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Japanese @ 5.85
20 96.3% Moldavian + 3.7% Tu @ 5.88



PuntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 42.13
2 SW_Europe 32.55
3 West_Asia 10.39
4 SW_Asia 6.45
5 NE_Asia 2.31
6 Siberia 2.06
7 SE_Asia 1.89
8 Americas 1.3
9 South_Africa 0.57
10 East_Africa 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.94
2 Slovene 6.39
3 Hungarian 6.54
4 Bosnian 6.57
5 Moldavian 6.69
6 Slovak 7.59
7 German_South 7.78
8 Belgian 7.99
9 Serbian 8.03
10 English 8.19
11 French 8.8
12 Scottish 9.49
13 Utahn_European 9.5
14 Orcadian 9.62
15 Irish 9.8
16 Montenegrin 10.45
17 German_North 10.51
18 Romanian 11.34
19 Ukrainian 12.11
20 Macedonian 12.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94% Croatian + 6% Oroqen @ 3.41
2 94.2% Croatian + 5.8% Daur @ 3.55
3 93.3% Hungarian + 6.7% Oroqen @ 3.58
4 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Xibo @ 3.59
5 71.3% French + 28.7% Tatar @ 3.6
6 94.3% Croatian + 5.7% Lahu @ 3.62
7 87.2% Belgian + 12.8% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.63
8 94% Croatian + 6% Burmese @ 3.71
9 94.5% Croatian + 5.5% Naxi @ 3.71
10 93.5% Hungarian + 6.5% Daur @ 3.72
11 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Vietnamese @ 3.72
12 93.4% Croatian + 6.6% Mongolian @ 3.73
13 94.5% Croatian + 5.5% Dai @ 3.73
14 94.6% Croatian + 5.4% Miaozu @ 3.75
15 94.7% Croatian + 5.3% Han_South_China @ 3.76
16 93.7% Hungarian + 6.3% Xibo @ 3.79
17 93.8% Croatian + 6.2% Thai @ 3.81
18 93.8% Croatian + 6.2% Tuvinian @ 3.81
19 93% Croatian + 7% Altaian @ 3.84
20 94.9% Croatian + 5.1% She @ 3.84



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.33
2 Caucasian 28.28
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.9
4 Ancestral_Altaic 3.4
5 Tungus-Altaic 3.22
6 Near_East 2.99
7 North_African 2.69
8 Paleo_Siberian 1.57
9 South_Central_Asian 1.32
10 South_East_Asian 1.11
11 Amerindian 0.63
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.37
13 East_Siberian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian ( ) 4.07
2 Slovenian ( ) 4.39
3 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 4.92
4 Austrian ( ) 5.57
5 Czech ( ) 6.1
6 Slovak ( ) 7.12
7 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.31
8 Kashub ( ) 8.61
9 German ( ) 8.68
10 German_East ( ) 8.79
11 Croat ( ) 9.22
12 Serb_BH ( ) 9.46
13 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.5
14 Sorb ( ) 9.57
15 Bosnian ( ) 9.6
16 Croat_BH ( ) 10.39
17 Montenegrian ( ) 10.43
18 German-Volga ( ) 10.44
19 Italian_North ( ) 11.27
20 South_German ( ) 11.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Belarusian-East ( ) + 37% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 3.6
2 58.9% Russian-North-West ( ) + 41.1% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.64
3 97.9% Hungarian ( ) + 2.1% Ulchi ( ) @ 3.72
4 58.7% Russian-West ( ) + 41.3% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.73
5 50.5% Estonian ( ) + 49.5% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.74
6 61.6% Russian_South ( ) + 38.4% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 3.75
7 52.9% Kuban_cossack ( ) + 47.1% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 3.75
8 53.4% Balt ( ) + 46.6% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.75
9 97.6% Hungarian ( ) + 2.4% Tubalar ( ) @ 3.75
10 82.3% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 17.7% Sardinian ( ) @ 3.77
11 98% Hungarian ( ) + 2% Daur ( ) @ 3.79
12 55.2% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 44.8% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.79
13 98% Hungarian ( ) + 2% Hezhen ( ) @ 3.79
14 96.7% Slovenian ( ) + 3.3% Tubalar ( ) @ 3.8
15 68.5% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 31.5% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 3.8
16 97.8% Hungarian ( ) + 2.2% Mongolian ( ) @ 3.81
17 97.9% Hungarian ( ) + 2.1% Mongol_Khalkha ( ) @ 3.81
18 97.8% Hungarian ( ) + 2.2% Kalmyk ( ) @ 3.82
19 50.7% Latvian ( ) + 49.3% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.82
20 98.2% Hungarian ( ) + 1.8% Japanese ( ) @ 3.82



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 26.54
2 Caucasian 24.24
3 NorthEastEuropean 23.42
4 Steppe 19.45
5 Siberian 4.14
6 Amerindian 0.82
7 NearEast 0.62
8 NorthAfrican 0.56
9 Arctic 0.21
10 SouthEastAsian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croat (Croatia) 4.91
2 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.93
3 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.25
4 Austrian (Austria) 5.26
5 Slovenian (Slovenia) 5.31
6 German (SouthGermany) 5.53
7 Moldavian (Molodva) 5.56
8 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.75
9 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.8
10 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.89
11 Serbian (Serbia) 5.96
12 Welsh (Wales) 5.96
13 French (NorthwestFrance) 6.14
14 French (EastFrance) 6.17
15 German (Germany) 6.4
16 Hungarian (Hungary) 6.55
17 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 6.58
18 German (Germany) 6.89
19 Dutch (Netherlands) 6.91
20 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 7.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 49.5% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 2.71
2 52.7% Italian (Tuscany) + 47.3% Finn (EastFinland) @ 2.72
3 57.2% Italian (Bergamo) + 42.8% Russian (Pinega) @ 2.88
4 68.8% Romanian (Apuseni) + 31.2% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 3.1
5 54.1% Italian (Bergamo) + 45.9% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) @ 3.1
6 62.2% Romanian (Apuseni) + 37.8% Irish (Connacht) @ 3.1
7 70.4% Romanian (Apuseni) + 29.6% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 3.13
8 62.3% Romanian (Apuseni) + 37.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 3.16
9 65.6% Romanian (Apuseni) + 34.4% Swede (Sweden) @ 3.16
10 55.2% Kosovar (Kosovo) + 44.8% Finn (Kuusamo) @ 3.18
11 71.8% Romanian (Apuseni) + 28.2% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 3.2
12 53.4% Romanian (Apuseni) + 46.6% German (Germany) @ 3.2
13 70% Romanian (Apuseni) + 30% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 3.21
14 75.8% Romanian (Apuseni) + 24.2% Finn (Kuusamo) @ 3.23
15 55.9% Romanian (Apuseni) + 44.1% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 3.23
16 52.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 47.5% Karelian (Karelia) @ 3.27
17 61.5% Swede (Sweden) + 38.5% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 3.28
18 61.6% Swede (Sweden) + 38.4% Albanian (Albania) @ 3.31
19 84.2% Welsh (Wales) + 15.8% Turk (Balikesir) @ 3.32
20 53.3% Italian (Tuscany) + 46.7% Vepsa (Russia) @ 3.33



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.77
2 Atlantic_Med 27.15
3 Caucasus 17.99
4 Southwest_Asian 4.14
5 Gedrosia 3.08
6 East_Asian 2.87
7 Siberian 2.23
8 Northwest_African 0.56
9 Southeast_Asian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 7.19
2 Romanians (Behar) 11.63
3 German (Dodecad) 12.34
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.49
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.51
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.24
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.39
8 French (Dodecad) 19.49
9 French (HGDP) 19.8
10 Kent (1000Genomes) 20.72
11 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 20.75
12 English (Dodecad) 20.95
13 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.69
14 Polish (Dodecad) 21.74
15 British_Isles (Dodecad) 21.87
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 21.9
17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.06
18 O_Italian (Dodecad) 22.21
19 Norwegian (Dodecad) 22.54
20 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 23.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 41.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.11
2 57.5% Tuscan (HGDP) + 42.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.11
3 51.6% North_Italian (HGDP) + 48.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.11
4 54.5% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.5% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.24
5 55% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 45% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.38
6 55.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 44.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.39
7 52% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 48% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.47
8 59.3% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 40.7% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.51
9 58.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 41.8% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.55
10 86.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.66
11 61.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.7
12 52.8% North_Italian (HGDP) + 47.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.72
13 84.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.73
14 86.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.73
15 84.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.73
16 62.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.73
17 62.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 37.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.76
18 52% North_Italian (HGDP) + 48% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.76
19 84.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.77
20 84.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.78



Eurogenes K36


Population
Amerindian 0.89 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.44 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.61 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian 0.40 Pct
East_Balkan 3.56 Pct
East_Central_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_Central_Euro 15.21 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 9.77 Pct
Fennoscandian 6.80 Pct
French -
Iberian 2.50 Pct
Indo-Chinese 0.05 Pct
Italian 18.80 Pct
Malayan 0.21 Pct
Near_Eastern 3.39 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.60 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.03 Pct
North_Sea 7.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese 1.18 Pct
Volga-Ural 1.77 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.25 Pct
West_Med 5.71 Pct


Similarity map:

https://i.ibb.co/XsL4QXf/Ads-z.png

[Voskos]

Lol, that siberian is high.

[Leto]

Yeah, some legit Tungus-Altaic roots. Could be a Balkan Türük :);)

[Kaspias]

Yeah, some legit Tungus-Altaic roots. Could be a Balkan Türük :);)

:amour101::amour101:

[CommonSense]

That which stands out here is the insanely high East Asian DNA, unlike any Hungarian sample I've seen so far. Either he's not fully Hungarian, or he's a Cuman remnant straight out of Stears' nightmares! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xXA0BOX.png

[Kaspias]

That which stands out here is the insanely high East Asian DNA, unlike any Hungarian sample I've seen so far. Either he's not fully Hungarian, or he's a Cuman remnant straight out of Stears' nightmares! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xXA0BOX.png

He said he is full blood Hungarian, all of known ancestors are from Vojvodina

[Thracian]

Pannonian Turk.lol.

He has almost double East Asian DNA than me.

[Leto]

Lol, that siberian is high.
His largest component is actually East Asian, not even Siberian

6 East_Asian 3.44
7 Siberian 2.02

6 East_Asian 2.87
7 Siberian 2.23

5 NE_Asia 2.31
6 Siberia 2.06
7 SE_Asia 1.89

For us (Russians, East Slavs), for example, it's usually Siberian.

[Kaspias]

His largest component is actually East Asian, not even Siberian

6 East_Asian 3.44
7 Siberian 2.02

6 East_Asian 2.87
7 Siberian 2.23

5 NE_Asia 2.31
6 Siberia 2.06
7 SE_Asia 1.89

For us (Russians, East Slavs), for example, it's usually Siberian.

He has two times more East Asian than me.. That's weird actually

[Luke35]

I think the only Hungarian TA member who scores EA on K13 is Dunai. I think it's like 1.5% more or less.

[CommonSense]

He said he is full blood Hungarian, all of known ancestors are from Vojvodina

https://i.imgur.com/gDfzvVx.png[

[Vožd]

https://i.imgur.com/gDfzvVx.png[

But he claim same for eastern Hungary and almost whole Alfold region.

[Kaspias]

https://i.imgur.com/gDfzvVx.png[

Lol :D

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

What a shame.. purest hungarians live outside hungary.

[Kaspias]

bump

[Leto]

A Russian guy (his current sockpuppet is called Veles) posted some Hungarians (K15)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257521-3-Hungarian-Gedmatch-results

[Kaspias]

A Russian guy (his current sockpuppet is called Veles) posted some Hungarians (K15)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257521-3-Hungarian-Gedmatch-results

The one that i posted is not very typical Hungarian. But seems typical for Vojvodina. He has more Baltic than usual, expectedly.

[IncelSlayer]

I ran this sample through the specialized language for statistical computing called R to remove the medieval slav&german admixture from it and it plots somewhere in the middle of China .No wonder,he is paternally descended from proto-magyar speakers(N) we got a good proxy for the conqueror magyar's genotype.

[Leto]

The one that i posted is not very typical Hungarian. But seems typical for Vojvodina. He has more Baltic than usual, expectedly.
So basically Hungarians live in the Northern part of Vojvodina. They must be the most Balkanic Hungarians
https://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache-vignettes/L400xH415/2-128-17a3c.jpg

[HungryLion]

I've seen this topic and logged in , although I'm doing something else ...
whatever..
This Hungarian man has a genetics or at least a partial proto-Hungarian genetics. It's hard to talk about a clean hungarian when they are now over 90% Slovenian. In this example, traces of old genetics are seen.
I bellive that is the casse bc he could not get these asia high% from anyboody neer him...He's weird for serbian average tho

[Carpatz]

So basically Hungarians live in the Northern part of Vojvodina. They must be the most Balkanic Hungarians

Szekelys and other Transylvanian Hungarians are the most Balkanic from what I've seen.

[HungryLion]

So basically Hungarians live in the Northern part of Vojvodina. They must be the most Balkanic Hungarians
https://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache-vignettes/L400xH415/2-128-17a3c.jpg

They are minority and I think Serbian Vojvodina isn't on Balkan. Serb's and Hungarians live well togheter.

[Pribislav]

He said he is full blood Hungarian, all of known ancestors are from Vojvodina

Part of Vojvodinian Hungarians are Szekelys arrived to Vojvodina from Transylvania in 19th century.
For example Hungarians in village Skorenovac in southern Banat are Szekelys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skorenovac

Some Hungarians in Vojvodina are settlers from southern Hungary, some from northern Hungary and Slovakia in 18th century.

Hungarians in Bačka and northern Banat are numerous and organized, they keep Hungarian identity well. Hungarian from southern Banat and Syrmia live in enclaves among Serbian majority.
I know Hungarians guy from Syrmia (his family live in Syrmia long time) who speak only Serbian. His only connection with Hungarian identity is Catholic religion.
My friend from elementary school is full Hungarian. Her parents are from Subotica, but they came to place near Belgade. She also don't speak Hungarian.

[HungryLion]

Of course I think Vojvodina is only geographically not whole in the Balkans, but obviously everything else is the case and same as other balkan regions( more or less)... The same case with Zagreb, etc.

[Leto]

Of course I think Vojvodina is only geographically not whole in the Balkans, but obviously everything else is the case and same as other balkan regions( more or less)... The same case with Zagreb, etc.
Croatia is more like a South-Central European country. For example the member Nato identifies as Central European and doesn't like Balkanism. And I can understand that, the Balkans are not very sophisticated and seen as more swarthy and uncivilized.

[Kaspias]

Part of Vojvodinian Hungarians are Szekelys arrived to Vojvodina from Transylvania in 19th century.
For example Hungarians in village Skorenovac in southern Banat are Szekelys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skorenovac

Some Hungarians in Vojvodina are settlers from southern Hungary, some from northern Hungary and Slovakia in 18th century.

Hungarians in Bačka and northern Banat are numerous and organized, they keep Hungarian identity well. Hungarian from southern Banat and Syrmia live in enclaves among Serbian majority.
I know Hungarians guy from Syrmia (his family live in Syrmia long time) who speak only Serbian. His only connection with Hungarian identity is Catholic religion.
My friend from elementary school is full Hungarian. Her parents are from Subotica, but they came to place near Belgade. She also don't speak Hungarian.

I think he can speak Hungarian because his e-mail written as Hungarian and name-surname is in Hungarian form. I'm not sure though, i haven't asked.

[Blondie]

Szekelys and other Transylvanian Hungarians are the most Balkanic from what I've seen.

This is bullshit because székelys are closer to hungarians and transylvanian saxons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kelys#Genetics

And hungarians are not balkanite population unlike romanians:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Balkans.png

Székelys:

https://www.dehir.hu/upload/images/wp_cikkek/2013/szekelylanyok0606.jpg

https://www.maszol.ro/uploads/files/userfiles/images/image(36)(1).jpg

http://erdelyben.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ezerszekelyl%C3%A1ny4.jpg

https://www.dehir.hu/upload/images/wp_cikkek/2012/szekelyleanyok.jpg

https://www.maszol.ro/uploads/files/userfiles/images/kulfold/2017/J%C3%BAlius/01/DSC_9766.jpg

http://szabadsag.ro/image/journal/article?img_id=3508881&t=1501086757313

https://hirado.cms.mtv.hu/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2015/07/D_MTI20150704019-1024x681.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AU_K0LJqbX4/ThILRxYhY3I/AAAAAAAAA4A/j3xBOTBtuNE/s1600/DSC_3375.JPG

https://media.szekelyhon.ro/pictures/csik/aktualis/2017/07_junius/04/b_ezer-szekely-leany-talalkozo-csoportkep-gn_-12.jpg

I have been in Székelyland and they were 1000 times more whiter than romanians.

[Luke35]

I think the only Hungarian TA member who scores EA on K13 is Dunai. I think it's like 1.5% more or less.

I took a look at Dunai's K13. He gets 1.24 EA and 2.7 Siberian. So the op Hungarian has more..

[Kaspias]

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It is not about phenotype. I have seen one Szekely result so i can't generalize it like all Szekely's are like that but he was genetically somewhere between Hungarian and Balkans. He was around 4% EE afaik.

[Pribislav]

They are minority and I think Serbian Vojvodina isn't on Balkan. Serb's and Hungarians live well togheter.

Interesting, native Vojvodinian Serbs very rare mixed with Hungarians. Krajina and Herzegovinian Serbs and Montenegrin colonist more often has marriages with Hungarians.
Native Vojvodinian Serbs are pretty conservative, and many Serbs don't know this and imagine them as ultra-liberal.

[Kaspias]

I took a look at Dunai's K13. He gets 1.24 EA and 2.7 Siberian. So the op Hungarian has more..

I have 1.18 EA lol

[HungryLion]

Croatia is more like a South-Central European country. For example the member Nato identifies as Central European and doesn't like Balkanism. And I can understand that, the Balkans are not very sophisticated and seen as more swarthy and uncivilized.

I litteraly can't coment this man..I will try to think that you just don't know situation in this part of Europe.
It's wrong on so many levels and I just dob't have time now but I'll pm you about this topic :thumb001:

[Blondie]

It is not about phenotype. I have seen one Szekely result so i can't generalize it like all Szekely's are like that but he was genetically somewhere between Hungarian and Balkans. He was around 4% EE afaik.

Okay no problem, southern hungarians have minor balkanite ancestry, but székelys are one of the most lighter and whitest hungarian ethnic group, they have 17% I1 north european Y haplogroup (they have more than germans from Germany (16%):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kelys#Genetics
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Székelys are very close to transylvanian saxons and secondly to the hungarians. So this "székelys are most balkanite" bulshit was very funny to hear from a full balkanite romanian guy :D

[HungryLion]

Interesting, native Vojvodinian Serbs very rare mixed with Hungarians. Krajina and Herzegovinian Serbs and Montenegrin colonist more often has marriages with Hungarians.
Native Vojvodinian Serbs are pretty conservative, and many Serbs don't know this and imagine them as ultra-liberal.

I was trying to say that they don't hate eachoters there in Suboticy etc.. ))) They live normaly togheter

[Mingle]

Croatia is more like a South-Central European country. For example the member Nato identifies as Central European and doesn't like Balkanism. And I can understand that, the Balkans are not very sophisticated and seen as more swarthy and uncivilized.

Speaking of him, he used to post here all day every day, then he suddenly disappeared like 5 days ago. Forum feels a bit different.

[Carpatz]

This is bullshit because székelys are closer to hungarians and transylvanian saxons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kelys#Genetics

And hungarians are not balkanite population unlike romanians:

I have been in Székelyland and they were 1000 times more whiter than romanians.

See for yourself. Some are indeed mixed with Saxons, but not all. This mixing with Saxons does not negate their Balkanic admixture.

https://youtu.be/DVD2TFRr3sU

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9k6h9x/hungarianszekelycsangok_dna_results/

[Leto]

I litteraly can't coment this man..I will try to think that you just don't know situation in this part of Europe.
It's wrong on so many levels and I just dob't have time now but I'll pm you about this topic :thumb001:
I may not know much but I'm certain that this whole "Eastern Europe" bullshit is quite annoying. I mean for fuck's sake, Croatia is so far away from Russia, Belarus or Lithuania, why should they all be lumped together? A lot of people still say the Czech Republic is "Eastern Europe" while Austria is somehow magically a "Western European" country. That just doesn't make sense.
I remember the Croatian football/soccer team, looked pretty white to me.

[Pribislav]

I was trying to say that they don't hate eachoters there in Suboticy etc.. ))) They live normaly togheter

Yes, I know.

Zoltán Dani is Serbian hero, he is Szekely from Skorenovac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoltán_Dani

[Leto]

Speaking of him, he used to post here all day every day, then he suddenly disappeared like 5 days ago. Forum feels a bit different.
Yeah, that's true. A Feiichy/Jana sockpuppet is here while Nato is gone...

[Kaspias]

Okay no problem, southern hungarians have minor balkanite ancestry, but székelys are one of the most lighter and whitest hungarian ethnic group, they have 17% I1 north european Y haplogroup (they have more than germans from Germany (16%):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kelys#Genetics
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Székelys are very close to transylvanian saxons and secondly to the hungarians. So this "székelys are most balkanite" bulshit was very funny to hear from a full balkanite romanian guy :D

Haplogroup and phenotype have nothing to do with autosomal...

[HungryLion]

Yeah, that's true. A Feiichy/Jana sockpuppet is here while Nato is gone...

If I am good understand they are the same person or?

[Ford]

Speaking of him, he used to post here all day every day, then he suddenly disappeared like 5 days ago. Forum feels a bit different.

Didn't he say that he'd go to Lithuania and Kaliningrad for a few days? Might explain his absence.

[Leto]

If I am good understand they are the same person or?
No, lol. Nato is a not a sockpuppet, he's a legit user.

[Mingle]

Yeah, that's true. A Feiichy/Jana sockpuppet is here while Nato is gone...

Lmao, I was thinking the same thing. Jana used to post here frequently every day but then suddenly decided to leave. Immediately she got replaced by Nato. He did the same. Then when he leaves, Jana returns at the exact same time xD I think it's a coincidence as they sound nothing similar, but I just find it weird.

[Blondie]

Haplogroup and phenotype have nothing to do with autosomal...

I posted autosomal map too :D

[IncelSlayer]

Lmao, I was thinking the same thing. Jana used to post here frequently every day but then suddenly decided to leave. Immediately she got replaced by Nato. He did the same. Then when he leaves, Jana returns at the exact same time xD I think it's a coincidence as they sound nothing similar, but I just find it weird.

Lets just ban them both so we're sure

[Aspirin]

Didn't he say that he'd go to Lithuania and Kaliningrad for a few days? Might explain his absence.

Yes, this is the reason, soon he will return.

[Bosniensis]

Magyar :)

[Ford]

Magyar :)

Nice avatar ;)

[Pribislav]

If this guy is from Banat, there is high posibility that he is Szekely.

[HungryLion]

I may not know much but I'm certain that this whole "Eastern Europe" bullshit is quite annoying. I mean for fuck's sake, Croatia is so far away from Russia, Belarus or Lithuania, why should they all be lumped together? A lot of people still say the Czech Republic is "Eastern Europe" while Austria is somehow magically a "Western European" country. That just doesn't make sense.
I remember the Croatian football/soccer team, looked pretty white to me.

They football team is most of so caled south croats..In so many way conected whit Serb's.
Anyway it's not just that like I said...I don't feel like balkan guy tho, but I don't feel disgrace for these who are.
Long story short, for such shott time I saw here that some agenda mostly anti-serbian is highly present.
Like Croatia is land of blonde Vikings and Serbia is shithole. Well thats simpli is not truth..But extremly good propaganda I must say..Btw about "central euro" if u go in Dalmatia or Dubrovnik you will probably saw more balkan looking people than in any place in Serbia.
About 45-50% Serb and Croats shere the same origins.
Guy you mentioned is mixed whit slovenians, and his paternal side have serbian roots..But he seem's very passionate suporting ultra Nazi and anti Serbian propaganda. Croatia is way more complicated than it looks. Some of converted Serbs( now Croats) braging whit their serbian roots and they in period of 41 to 45 killed about 700 000 Serbs. It's something like modern Ukrainian histeria against Russians. Btw south Dalmatia was very important place for firts serbian state and genneraly the best examples of serbian's you can find from south Dalmatia to western Serbia. That was hert of Serbian state..Sory for typos I am in problem whit time :)

[Bosniensis]

Nice avatar ;)

my look alike

[Kaspias]

I posted autosomal map too :D

I saw only this about autosomal. Did i miss something? Sorry i'm sleepy

An autosomal analysis,[17] studying non-European admixture in Europeans, found 4.4% of admixture of non-European and non-Middle Eastern origin among Hungarians, which was the strongest among sampled populations. It was found at 3.6% in Belarusians, 2.5% in Romanians, 2.3% in Bulgarians and Lithuanians, 1.9% in Poles and 0% in Greeks. The authors stated "This signal might correspond to a small genetic legacy from invasions of peoples from the Asian steppes (e.g., the Huns, Magyars, and Bulgars) during the first millennium CE." Among 100 Hungarian men (90 of them from the Great Hungarian Plain), the following haplogroups and frequencies are obtained:[18]

[Blondie]

See for yourself. Some are indeed mixed with Saxons, but not all. This mixing with Saxons does not negate their Balkanic admixture.

https://youtu.be/DVD2TFRr3sU

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9k6h9x/hungarianszekelycsangok_dna_results/

If these peoples are balkanites than you are a mental case or simple troll:

http://erdelyben.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ezerszekelyl%C3%A1ny4.jpg

https://media.szekelyhon.ro/pictures/csik/aktualis/2017/07_junius/04/b_ezer-szekely-leany-talalkozo-csoportkep-gn_-12.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AU_K0LJqbX4/ThILRxYhY3I/AAAAAAAAA4A/j3xBOTBtuNE/s1600/DSC_3375.JPG

https://hirado.cms.mtv.hu/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2015/07/D_MTI20150704019-1024x681.jpg

http://szabadsag.ro/image/journal/article?img_id=3508881&t=1501086757313

https://www.maszol.ro/uploads/files/userfiles/images/kulfold/2017/J%C3%BAlius/01/DSC_9766.jpg

https://felvidek.ma/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/42445.JPG

https://bukovina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Somberek2.jpg

http://regi.itthon.ma/kepek/2013/10/630/2183_11382951711.jpg

https://media.szekelyhon.ro/pictures/csik/aktualis/2015/06_julius/b_1000szekelyleany-32.jpg

https://media.szekelyhon.ro/pictures/csik/aktualis/2013/06_julius/b_ezer-szekely-leany-napja-2013-vn-102.jpg

https://mork.nyugat.hu/Scopes/nyugat2015/var//improxy/NyugatWXGAPicture/64/87/648776_csiksomlyoi_bucsu_2018..jpg

https://alfahir.hu/sites/default/files/styles/szeles/public/indexfoto/76zrutjuziu_0.jpg?itok=abdlPREY

http://multikult.transindex.ro/images/__leo/cikkek/cikkek_43249.jpg

http://multikult.transindex.ro/images/__leo/cikkek/cikkek_43250.jpg

http://www.transindex.ro/images/__leo/galeriak/galeria_2216.jpg

Majority of them have pale skin and light hair....

[Blondie]

I saw only this about autosomal. Did i miss something? Sorry i'm sleepy

An autosomal analysis,[17] studying non-European admixture in Europeans, found 4.4% of admixture of non-European and non-Middle Eastern origin among Hungarians, which was the strongest among sampled populations. It was found at 3.6% in Belarusians, 2.5% in Romanians, 2.3% in Bulgarians and Lithuanians, 1.9% in Poles and 0% in Greeks. The authors stated "This signal might correspond to a small genetic legacy from invasions of peoples from the Asian steppes (e.g., the Huns, Magyars, and Bulgars) during the first millennium CE." Among 100 Hungarian men (90 of them from the Great Hungarian Plain), the following haplogroups and frequencies are obtained:[18]

Balkans admixture:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Balkans.png

[HungryLion]

my look alike

Must be distand relative of yours

[Kaspias]

Balkans admixture:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Balkans.png

There is no such a thing Balkans admixture lol

Wtf Eupedia is crazy

[lonewolfcypriot]

It's a 10 out of 10 from me.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/46706626544_c3c1525bdf_o.png (https://flic.kr/p/2eaiEQy)virgin (https://flic.kr/p/2eaiEQy) by Levent Yildiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/160785594@N06/), on Flickr

[Blondie]

There is no such a thing Balkans admixture lol

Wtf Eupedia is crazy

There is such thing, but look the autosmal genetic maps, where are hungarians and romanians:

https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/image5.png

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/05/sobpc.jpg

Or look my early pics about székelys.

[Mingle]

Didn't he say that he'd go to Lithuania and Kaliningrad for a few days? Might explain his absence.

I forgot, that makes sense then. Weird timing still xD

[HungryLion]

Boli njih patka što ja vozim i pišem.
Pola reprezentacija Hr iz Bosne ili Dalmacije jbt..Idem svojim putem :picard2::eek:

[Kaspias]

There is such thing, but look the autosmal genetic maps, where are hungarians and romanians:

https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/image5.png

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/05/sobpc.jpg

Yeah i know. It is already clear i'm not defending anyone i just state Szekely's are a bit different than typical Hungarians and shifted towards Balkans - as i said i saw only one result so don't take it very serious -

[HungryLion]

Hoppe he didn't fail from BMX :rolleyes:

[Pribislav]

Here are photos of Hungarians from Kanjiža in northern Serbia https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/hungarians-from-kanji-a-serbia-t87935.html

[Dick]

See for yourself. Some are indeed mixed with Saxons, but not all. This mixing with Saxons does not negate their Balkanic admixture.

https://youtu.be/DVD2TFRr3sU

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9k6h9x/hungarianszekelycsangok_dna_results/

This guy told me he is half Saxon/Hungarian but he has a good chunk of Balkan(Romania)


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?263505-Half-Saxon-Hungarian(Szekely-)-result-From-Transylvania-Romania

[Blondie]

Yeah i know. It is already clear i'm not defending anyone i just state Szekely's are a bit different than typical Hungarians and shifted towards Balkans - as i said i saw only one result so don't take it very serious -

You are right, székelys are little bit different than hungarians but not because they are more southern shifted, it's nonsense. Székelys have more asian genetic circa 5%, and more germanic genetic than most of other hungarians :)

[Leto]

They football team is most of so caled south croats..In so many way conected whit Serb's.
Anyway it's not just that like I said...I don't feel like balkan guy tho, but I don't feel disgrace for these who are.
Long story short, for such shott time I saw here that some agenda mostly anti-serbian is highly present.
Like Croatia is land of blonde Vikings and Serbia is shithole. Well thats simpli is not truth..But extremly good propaganda I must say..Btw about "central euro" if u go in Dalmatia or Dubrovnik you will probably saw more balkan looking people than in any place in Serbia.
About 45-50% Serb and Croats shere the same origins.
Guy you mentioned is mixed whit slovenians, and his paternal side have serbian roots..But he seem's very passionate suporting ultra Nazi and anti Serbian propaganda. Croatia is way more complicated than it looks. Some of converted Serbs( now Croats) braging whit their serbian roots and they in period of 41 to 45 killed about 700 000 Serbs. It's something like modern Ukrainian histeria against Russians. Btw south Dalmatia was very important place for firts serbian state and genneraly the best examples of serbian's you can find from south Dalmatia to western Serbia. That was hert of Serbian state..Sory for typos I am in problem whit time :)
Well, I didn't say Serbia was a shithole. But Croatia does have more Balto-Slavic and Germanic blood on average and the Romani presence is also much smaller there than in the Balkans.

[HungryLion]

Well, I didn't say Serbia was a shithole. But Croatia does have more Balto-Slavic and Germanic blood on average and the Romani presence is also much smaller there than in the Balkans.

in the whole text you just came to the conclusion.
Of course they have a few percent more when they are more west of the map..
Croatians from Zagorje absolutely rise the average to others..it can sometimes be a difficult task to find Croats who do not have a Hungarian, Czech or German blod.
Between Serbia and Dalmatia lives a very similar people.
of course, having less gypsies who quite accidentally ended up in a "working" camp. Lol..

[Luke35]

Speaking of him, he used to post here all day every day, then he suddenly disappeared like 5 days ago. Forum feels a bit different.

He had been saying he was going to be leaving for a trip to the Baltic region I believe. It is strange not to have his daily posts.

[Dick]

He had been saying he was going to be leaving for a trip to the Baltic region I believe. It is strange not to have his daily posts.

You'll survive.

[HungryLion]

I am nationalist or better say patriot, but I am not saw so far that no one normal takes a difference of 2% for something serious...A lot of Croats are southern than me, and than some others Serb's. Also I find very wird
admiration for some Nordic people, it would make sense for those who look good in the Nordic countries, but what makes somebody to want to look like a "ugly"shit judst to can call himself a Nordic lol, and amoung Nordic ppl are plenty ugly fuckers. And even more funny than that is ppl who act like that ploting like two, two light years from, for example, danish ppl..

[HungryLion]

that I would not have been misunderstood, there are many beautiful people in the Nordic countries, but that does not mean that everyone is super-cool and handsome and that's should be some kind of ideal.

[Leto]

I am nationalist or better say patriot, but I am not saw so far that no one normal takes a difference of 2% for something serious...A lot of Croats are southern than me, and than some others Serb's. Also I find very wird
admiration for some Nordic people, it would make sense for those who look good in the Nordic countries, but what makes somebody to want to look like a "ugly"shit judst to can call himself a Nordic lol, and amoung Nordic ppl are plenty ugly fuckers. And even more funny than that is ppl who act like that ploting like two, two light years from, for example, danish ppl..
I think the Northwestern Europeans are the benchmark of whiteness. Or let's say the area north of the Balkans and west of the former Soviet Union. That's my opinion and I am not ashamed of liking and admiring white/European people. Why is it cool and hip to admire Native Americans or the Japanese or Latinos or whatever group but as soon as someone says I love white people they are frowned upon. I for one do admit that my people (Russians, East Slavs) are not the whitest, especially in this day & age almost everyone who speaks Russian and lives in Russia can identify as 'Russian'. We have some Asiatic influence, even many pure East Slavs like me (my grandparents were ethnic Russians and Belarusians, I have no known East or West Asian roots).

[Leto]

that I would not have been misunderstood, there are many beautiful people in the Nordic countries, but that does not mean that everyone is super-cool and handsome and that's should be some kind of ideal.
There are both beautiful and ugly people everywhere (and also those who are neither), probably in varying quantities but still.

[Cumansky]

You are right, székelys are little bit different than hungarians but not because they are more southern shifted, it's nonsense. Székelys have more asian genetic circa 5%, and more germanic genetic than most of other hungarians :)

You still lieing? I went grocery store, cook dinner, make some phone calls in this time..

Non Szekler Hungarian from Budapest (Kelenyi)

39.9% North and West Europe (You were saying Szeklers more Northwest, good joke)
31.9% Ashkenazi Jewish (I founded George Soros cousin)
27.1% East European
1.1% Balkan

Szekler Hungarian from Szeged (Barna)

63.0% Balkan
17.2% East European
6.9% Baltic
6.5% North and West Europe (You said Szekler have more Northwest??)
2.7% Finnish
1.8% Ashkenazi Jewish
1.1% Central Asian
0.8% Eskimo/Inuit

[Mingle]

I think the Northwestern Europeans are the benchmark of whiteness. Or let's say the area north of the Balkans and west of the former Soviet Union. That's my opinion and I am not ashamed of liking and admiring white/European people. Why is it cool and hip to admire Native Americans or the Japanese or Latinos or whatever group but as soon as someone says I love white people they are frowned upon. I for one do admit that my people (Russians, East Slavs) are not the whitest, especially in this day & age almost everyone who speaks Russian and lives in Russia can identify as 'Russian'. We have some Asiatic influence, even many pure East Slavs like me (my grandparents were ethnic Russians and Belarusians, I have no known East or West Asian roots).

Greeks, Albanians, and Slavic Macedonians don't care much about whiteness if it connects them with northern parts of Eastern Europe. They'd much rather be like an Italian than like a North Slav (or any kind of Slav in general) even though Italians are darker.

[HungryLion]

I think the Northwestern Europeans are the benchmark of whiteness. Or let's say the area north of the Balkans and west of the former Soviet Union. That's my opinion and I am not ashamed of liking and admiring white/European people. Why is it cool and hip to admire Native Americans or the Japanese or Latinos or whatever group but as soon as someone says I love white people they are frowned upon. I for one do admit that my people (Russians, East Slavs) are not the whitest, especially in this day & age almost everyone who speaks Russian and lives in Russia can identify as 'Russian'. We have some Asiatic influence, even many pure East Slavs like me (my grandparents were ethnic Russians and Belarusians, I have no known East or West Asian roots).

I think I saw some little german dude who admire them to much back in the days...
Btw I am 100% European on Ftdna and my Heritage.
Even if I am not white as they Danish or other scands I will never change my appearance for any of them.
I don't admire them, and don't think they are somehow better than me. Some people here acting like they would love to their woman get pregnant whit some Nordic guy.
Or att least to be occupied by them, well I will rip heart anyone who should do that to me or anyone close to me (
occupy etc). Btw I can pass almost in any of country in western and north euro, and still I don't care to much.
the way you worship these people seems humiliating, in my point of view. Of course I prefer white people, but I def. don't cheek their Dna .

[Blondie]

You still lieing? I went grocery store, cook dinner, make some phone calls in this time..

Non Szekler Hungarian from Budapest (Kelenyi)

39.9% North and West Europe (You were saying Szeklers more Northwest, good joke)
31.9% Ashkenazi Jewish (I founded George Soros cousin)
27.1% East European
1.1% Balkan

Szekler Hungarian from Szeged (Barna)

63.0% Balkan
17.2% East European
6.9% Baltic
6.5% North and West Europe (You said Szekler have more Northwest??)
2.7% Finnish
1.8% Ashkenazi Jewish
1.1% Central Asian
0.8% Eskimo/Inuit

You cherry piced this hungarian jewish guy to prove that hungarians are balkanites and jews, bravo you troll. And Szeged is near in Serbian border...

[HungryLion]

Greeks, Albanians, and Slavic Macedonians don't care much about whiteness if it connects them with northern parts of Eastern Europe. They'd much rather be like an Italian than like a North Slav (or any kind of Slav in general) even though Italians are darker.

They want to be what political agenda say in that moment.
Not worthy to be mentioned.

[Leto]

Greeks, Albanians, and Slavic Macedonians don't care much about whiteness if it connects them with northern parts of Eastern Europe. They'd much rather be like an Italian than like a North Slav (or any kind of Slav in general) even though Italians are darker.
Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I stated mine. I consider them white as well but different from Central and Northern Europe.
Slavs are constantly mocked and misrepresented on forums like this, especially Russians are presented as nearly half Asian, although Russia still has many millions of white-looking people. However my personal ideal would be Poland and maybe Czechs/Slovaks, they have little "foreign" blood which is to my taste. Peterski's results are awesome to me.

[Blondie]

blah blah

Results of hungarian forum members non of them jewish and they have 20-30% balkanite admixture on average:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278411-DNA-results-of-Hungarian-forum-members

[Leto]

I think I saw some little german dude who admire them to much back in the days...
Btw I am 100% European on Ftdna and my Heritage.
Even if I am not white as they Danish or other scands I will never change my appearance for any of them.
I don't admire them, and don't think they are somehow better than me. Some people here acting like they would love to their woman get pregnant whit some Nordic guy.
Or att least to be occupied by them, well I will rip heart anyone who should do that to me or anyone close to me (
occupy etc). Btw I can pass almost in any of country in western and north euro, and still I don't care to much.
the way you worship these people seems humiliating, in my point of view. Of course I prefer white people, but I def. don't cheek their Dna .
Do you have blue or brown eyes?

I don't worship any human being as a Christian but in my opinion they are the most productive and attractive part of humanity. I mean no offense but Serbs are migrating to Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and not the other way around. Unfortunately the West has been on the path of self-destruction in the last few decades.

[HungryLion]

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I stated mine. I consider them white as well but different from Central and Northern Europe.
Slavs are constantly mocked and misrepresented on forums like this, especially Russians are presented as nearly half Asian, although Russia still has many millions of white-looking people. However my personal ideal would be Poland and maybe Czechs/Slovaks, they have little "foreign" blood which is to my taste. Peterski's results are awesome to me.

I was been in Russia many times, have good friend there.
They are really proud people, and russian woman are beyond beutifull..Few of my ex was russian, probably know some if you folow social media even a little..That's why I find your opinion strange.

[Leto]

I was been in Russia many times, have good friend there.
They are really proud people, and russian woman are beyond beutifull..Few of my ex was russian, probably know some if you folow social media even a little..That's why I find your opinion strange.
I don't wanna continue this conversation, since it's off-topic. But long story short, I am no fan of modern Russia (I do like a lot of pre-1917 stuff though).

[HungryLion]

Do you have blue or brown eyes?

I don't worship any human being as a Christian but in my opinion they are the most productive and attractive part of humanity. I mean no offense but Serbs are migrating to Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and not the other way around. Unfortunately the West has been on the path of self-destruction in the last few decades.

Blue/green very light..
Seriosly? The ruined our country's and now is strange when ppl from my country go there for work? They Bombing my people more than once and demolish my country against any law, separate part od teritory where is probably the most natural elements etc..And they still can't match me in many other things.

[HungryLion]

I don't wanna continue this conversation, since it's off-topic. But long story short, I am no fan of modern Russia (I do like a lot of pre-1917 stuff though).

I can agree whit that...Not fan of soviet tho..

[Cumansky]

You cherry piced this hungarian jewish guy to prove that hungarians are balkanites and jews, bravo you troll. And Szeged is near in Serbian border...

Are you dumb? I have other ones..

How are Hungarian close ethnic, they can be anything under the sun, that why your government pick your name for you lmao

[Cumansky]

You still lieing? I went grocery store, cook dinner, make some phone calls in this time..

Non Szekler Hungarian from Budapest (Kelenyi)

39.9% North and West Europe (You were saying Szeklers more Northwest, good joke)
31.9% Ashkenazi Jewish (I founded George Soros cousin)
27.1% East European
1.1% Balkan

Szekler Hungarian from Szeged (Barna)

63.0% Balkan
17.2% East European
6.9% Baltic
6.5% North and West Europe (You said Szekler have more Northwest??)
2.7% Finnish
1.8% Ashkenazi Jewish
1.1% Central Asian
0.8% Eskimo/Inuit

Bump

[Pribislav]

Blue/green very light..
Seriosly? The ruined our country's and now is strange when ppl from my country go there for work? They Bombing my people more than once and demolish my country against any law, separate part od teritory where is probably the most natural elements etc..And they still can't match me in many other things.

Bro, you and me are Krajina Serbs. Most pround and free part of Serbian nation for centuries. Our ancestors are defending Europe from Ottomans in Military Frontier and as Uskoks.
For our defense of Christian Europe Vatican got "reward" to us as Croatian ustashian genecide in WW2 when 1 000 0000 Serbs west of Drina died. It would better that our ancestors converted to Islam and joined to Ottomans as ancestors of Bosniaks, than they fight for Jesuit Europe.

I have meet many westerners on varios places. My aunt (father's sister) is married for Englishman, and my brother and sister from aunt are half English half Serbs.
I feel only superiority towards the westerners. They are very week people, they are helpless towards the Muslim imigrant who destroy their countries, and our ancestors endured Ottomans and preserved own pureness in every sense.

[Dick]

Bro, you and me are Krajina Serbs. Most pround and free part of Serbian nation for centuries. Our ancestors are defending Europe from Ottomans in Military Frontier and as Uskoks.
For our defense of Christian Europe Vatican got "reward" to us as Croatian ustashian genecide in WW2 when 1 000 0000 Serbs west of Drina died. It would better that our ancestors converted to Islam and joined to Ottomans as ancestors of Bosniaks, than they fight for Jesuit Europe.

I have meet many westerners on varios places. My aunt (father's sister) is married for Englishman, and my brother and sister from aunt are half English half Serbs.
I feel only superiority towards the westerners. They are very week people, they are hrlpless towards the Muslim imigrant who destroy their countries and our ancestors endured Ottomans and preserved own pureness in every sense.

Western European countries won't exists in 50-100 years

[Slavic Italian]

Western European countries won't exists in 50-100 years

Why do you say that?

[Dick]

Why do you say that?

Look what's happening there. It will only get worse before it gets better but then again it's probably all planned out.

[Leto]

I think I saw some little german dude who admire them to much back in the days...
Btw I am 100% European on Ftdna and my Heritage.
Even if I am not white as they Danish or other scands I will never change my appearance for any of them.
I don't admire them, and don't think they are somehow better than me. Some people here acting like they would love to their woman get pregnant whit some Nordic guy.
Or att least to be occupied by them, well I will rip heart anyone who should do that to me or anyone close to me (
occupy etc). Btw I can pass almost in any of country in western and north euro, and still I don't care to much.
Your genetic make-up is actually pretty good (again to MY taste). You score a lot of Northern Europe, not much wog (although I don't like the near absense of Caucasus in groups like Finns either - after all the PIEs had a lot of Caucasus HG blood) and most importantly virtually no South and East Asian (which is racially non-European, non-West Eurasian).

Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07

Eurogenes K13
Baltic 33.25
North_Atlantic 28.71
West_Med 15.85
East_Med 12.81
West_Asian 6.84
Red_Sea 1.71
Siberian 0.67
Oceanian 0.15

[Pribislav]

Western European countries won't exists in 50-100 years

You are probably right. I'm sorry about that, regardless of many evils which westerners made to my people.

[Slavic Italian]

Look what's happening there. It will only get worse before it gets better but then again it's probably all planned out.

The elections in a few years are historical. Whoever replaces Macron and Merkel can reverse the situation.

[HungryLion]

https://media.tenor.com/images/1a6bc1badf674380d821abb8c6206bc0/tenor.gif

[Dick]

The elections in a few years are historical. Whoever replaces Macron and Merkel can reverse the situation.

We'll see. That's what they said about Sweden last year and their people voted for more Satanism disguised as "tolerance" and "lovey dovey socialism" and economic migrants

[Blondie]

Are you dumb? I have other ones..

How are Hungarian close ethnic, they can be anything under the sun, that why your government pick your name for you lmao

You other one is from Szeged near the serbian border. Yes south hungarians have more balkanite admixture :D

Dunai:

23andMe 50% confidence:
1. Eastern European 50.1%
2. Broadly European 14.5%
3. Greek & Balkan 13%
4. French & German 11%
5. Broadly Northwestern European 6.1%
6. Italian 3.2%
7. Broadly Southern European 1.7%
8. British & Irish 0.4%

Oszkar07:

West Eurasian 100%
Northwest European 40%
North Slavic 34%
Balkan 21%
Sardinian 3.4%
Ambiguous 1.8%

magicalM

Europe 100%
East Europe 55,2% - Balkan 52% - Baltic 2,2%
North and West Europe 44,8% - 30,7% - Scandinavian 14,1%

Mr. G.

23andMe
European
99.1%
Eastern European
28.2%
Hungary, Poland
French & German
19.4%
Germany
British & Irish
8.2%
Balkan
5.3%
Scandinavian
3.5%
Italian
2.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
14.2%
Broadly Southern European
7.6%
Broadly European
10.0%
Western Asian & North African
0.6%
North African & Arabian
0.3%
Broadly Western Asian & North African
0.3%
East Asian & Native American
0.1%
Native American
0.1%
Unassigned
0.2%

Egyvalaki

Europe 95.7%

North and West Europe: 44.8%
Balkan: 27.5%
East European: 15.5%
Iberian: 7.9%

Asia: 4.3%
West Asian: 4.3%

Why are you trolling? What is your brainless hate against us?

[Leto]

You are probably right. I'm sorry about that, regardless of many evils which westerners made to my people.
Unlike many people I have learned to separate the elites from common folk. It's like some saying "the Russians" meaning the Bolsheviks for example (everyone fucking knows they were mostly... um not exactly Russian by blood and even if some of them were, the general Russian population was treated very brutally).

[Cumansky]

Why do you say that?

Cause Islam is in power over there now, something Vlad Impaler not allow at any cost even in brutal middle age

[Dick]

Cause Islam is in power over there now, something Vlad Impaler not allow at any cost even in brutal middle age

Vlad must've been I2

[Cumansky]

You other one is from Szeged near the serbian border. Yes south hungarians have more balkanite admixture :D

Dunai:

23andMe 50% confidence:
1. Eastern European 50.1%





2. Broadly European 14.5%
3. Greek & Balkan 13%
4. French & German 11%
5. Broadly Northwestern European 6.1%
6. Italian 3.2%
7. Broadly Southern European 1.7%
8. British & Irish 0.4%

Oszkar07:

West Eurasian 100%
Northwest European 40%
North Slavic 34%
Balkan 21%
Sardinian 3.4%
Ambiguous 1.8%

magicalM

Europe 100%
East Europe 55,2% - Balkan 52% - Baltic 2,2%
North and West Europe 44,8% - 30,7% - Scandinavian 14,1%

Mr. G.

23andMe
European
99.1%
Eastern European
28.2%
Hungary, Poland
French & German
19.4%
Germany
British & Irish
8.2%
Balkan
5.3%
Scandinavian
3.5%
Italian
2.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
14.2%
Broadly Southern European
7.6%
Broadly European
10.0%
Western Asian & North African
0.6%
North African & Arabian
0.3%
Broadly Western Asian & North African
0.3%
East Asian & Native American
0.1%
Native American
0.1%
Unassigned
0.2%

Egyvalaki

Europe 95.7%

North and West Europe: 44.8%
Balkan: 27.5%
East European: 15.5%
Iberian: 7.9%

Asia: 4.3%
West Asian: 4.3%

Why are you trolling? What is your brainless hate against us?

Those are half Hungarians, I not troll..

[HungryLion]

Your genetic make-up is actually pretty good (again to MY taste). You score a lot of Northern Europe, not much wog (although I don't like the near absense of Caucasus in groups like Finns either - after all the PIEs had a lot of Caucasus HG blood) and most importantly virtually no South and East Asian (which is racially non-European, non-West Eurasian).

Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07

Eurogenes K13
Baltic 33.25
North_Atlantic 28.71
West_Med 15.85
East_Med 12.81
West_Asian 6.84
Red_Sea 1.71
Siberian 0.67
Oceanian 0.15

There is a bag when it comes to K12 dodecad very often the North Atlantic put under the category of atlantic Med, that happend to me, and it's also very comnon whit Irish result's and other western country's...That's what told me some expert's watchin all my results..So I will probably get little more % Nort Eu and less Med and Caucasus...On K12b dodecad Irish very often ends up more southern than Slovenians, which is not real picture, that's why I prefer more K13, much more balanced and have very good and stabil components.

[Dick]

You are probably right. I'm sorry about that, regardless of many evils which westerners made to my people.

All of us here will be dead by then. Europeans aren't having babies anymore because of selfishness and YOLO culture thanks to Satanism(liberalism)

[Cumansky]

Vlad must've been I2

I mean, there is Turkish with my haplogroup..

[Blondie]

Those are half Hungarians, I not troll..

You are an neonazi ukraninian banderist. I have seen your many russophobic, anti polish posts too.

[Leto]

There is a bag when it comes to K12 dodecad very often the North Atlantic put under the category of atlantic Med, that happend to me, and it's also very comnon whit Irish result's and other western country's...That's what told me some expert's watchin all my results..So I will probably get little more % Nort Eu and less Med and Caucasus...On K12b dodecad Irish very often ends up more southern than Slovenians, which is not real picture, that's why I prefer more K13, much more balanced and have very good and stabil components.
In my case K13 is not very good. 2% Amerindian, 2.4% Red Sea, for fuck's sake, what the hell is that supposed to mean?.. :picard1:

[HungryLion]

I mean, there is Turkish with my haplogroup..

Of course, you should not forget most important balkan I2a turk, gedža.

[Cumansky]

You are an neonazi ukraninian banderist. I have seen your many russophobic, anti polish posts too.

Suck my nuts

I just posted Polish War Medals..

[Slavic Italian]

All of us here will be dead by then. Europeans aren't having babies anymore because of selfishness and YOLO culture thanks to Satanism(liberalism)

I don't think the French or German people are happy with their circumstances.

[Leto]

All of us here will be dead by then. Europeans aren't having babies anymore because of selfishness and YOLO culture thanks to Satanism(liberalism)
Birth rates are falling in many third world and even Muslim countries as well (In a few Indian states, in Iran, Turkey, much of Latin American it's either 2.1 or lower). But they don't have much migration from outside, that's the big difference. Although your point is still perfectly valid.
Blacks will be the only source of human growth in a few decades.

[Cumansky]

Of course, you should not forget most important balkan I2a turk, gedža.

Many Balkaners have some Turkic genetic not necessarily from Ottoman Turks either, as common as Cevapis down there..

[HungryLion]

In my case K13 is not very good. 2% Amerindian, 2.4% Red Sea, for fuck's sake, what the hell is that supposed to mean?.. :picard1:

I think it could be some echo..I simply don't bellive in fucking read sea, everyboody get some of that component.
But to be honest Idk, for most thing which I don't understand I simply find conection and contact of some expert . That's how I learn more about my result's in fist place...This topic is pretty much apstract for many people and it's normal that we don't know to much about it..

[HungryLion]

Many Balkaners have some Turkic genetic not necessarily from Ottoman Turks either, as common as Cevapis down there..

Of course, we are all very close to the average turk's on all the maps, it would be very unfair to claim a difereent.

[Vožd]

And Szeged is near in Serbian border...

So? We still have no impresion about average Voivodinian genetic (lack of samples).

[Luke35]

You other one is from Szeged near the serbian border. Yes south hungarians have more balkanite admixture :D

Dunai:

23andMe 50% confidence:
1. Eastern European 50.1%
2. Broadly European 14.5%
3. Greek & Balkan 13%
4. French & German 11%
5. Broadly Northwestern European 6.1%
6. Italian 3.2%
7. Broadly Southern European 1.7%
8. British & Irish 0.4%

Oszkar07:

West Eurasian 100%
Northwest European 40%
North Slavic 34%
Balkan 21%
Sardinian 3.4%
Ambiguous 1.8%

magicalM

Europe 100%
East Europe 55,2% - Balkan 52% - Baltic 2,2%
North and West Europe 44,8% - 30,7% - Scandinavian 14,1%

Mr. G.

23andMe
European
99.1%
Eastern European
28.2%
Hungary, Poland
French & German
19.4%
Germany
British & Irish
8.2%
Balkan
5.3%
Scandinavian
3.5%
Italian
2.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
14.2%
Broadly Southern European
7.6%
Broadly European
10.0%
Western Asian & North African
0.6%
North African & Arabian
0.3%
Broadly Western Asian & North African
0.3%
East Asian & Native American
0.1%
Native American
0.1%
Unassigned
0.2%

Egyvalaki

Europe 95.7%

North and West Europe: 44.8%
Balkan: 27.5%
East European: 15.5%
Iberian: 7.9%

Asia: 4.3%
West Asian: 4.3%

Why are you trolling? What is your brainless hate against us?

For the sake of accuracy here, one must consider that the above tests are from different commercial company's. For example I get somewhere around 30% Balkan on MyHeritage so it really can vary greatly between companies. On 23andMe I get 7.6% South Euro and 5.3% Balkan. I consider both those figures to pretty much represent Balkan for me as my mother's side has nothing southern. So 7.6+5.3 = 12.9%. Now double that number to get a ballpark figure of what my dad might score on 23andMe.. about 25%. This is just my honest guess. But remember when comparing results we should be comparing with the same test too.

[Aspirin]

I think the Northwestern Europeans are the benchmark of whiteness. Or let's say the area north of the Balkans and west of the former Soviet Union. That's my opinion and I am not ashamed of liking and admiring white/European people. Why is it cool and hip to admire Native Americans or the Japanese or Latinos or whatever group but as soon as someone says I love white people they are frowned upon. I for one do admit that my people (Russians, East Slavs) are not the whitest, especially in this day & age almost everyone who speaks Russian and lives in Russia can identify as 'Russian'. We have some Asiatic influence, even many pure East Slavs like me (my grandparents were ethnic Russians and Belarusians, I have no known East or West Asian roots).

But Asian component in Russians is not from steppe nomads, but is mostly from finno-ugric people. Is not so bad for you in comparison with Ukrainians, Moldavians, Romanians and Balkanites.

[Pribislav]

So? We still have no impresion about average Voivodinian genetic (lack of samples).

Here is full Vojvodinian Serb (half Syrmian, half Banater), he is I2-PH908. He ploting more northern and western than this Vojvodinian Magyar.

K12b Dodecad
1 North European 41.81
2 Atlantic_Med 26.29
3 Caucasus 18.63
4 Gedrosia 6.3
5 West_Asian 6.29
6 Southeast_Asian 0.49
7 South_Asian 0.15

Eugogenes K15
https://i.postimg.cc/dtYpqW7S/Screenshoot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-6.png

Eurogenes K13
https://i.postimg.cc/9XTsH3f7/Screenshot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-1.png

K36 map
https://i.postimg.cc/kX6bMdZ7/evropa.png

[HungryLion]

But Asian component in Russians is not from steppe nomads, but is mostly from finno-ugric people. Is not so bad for you in comparison with Ukrainians, Moldavians, Romanians and Balkanites.

Is there any ethnic grup which score 0 asian components?

[Aspirin]

Are they any ethnic grup which score 0 asian components?

Maybe some Western Europeans, I don't know.

[HungryLion]

Maybe some Western Europeans, I don't know.

I think everybody have some % of Asia.
Big part of that is from ancient times

[Seya]

Is there any ethnic grup which score 0 asian components?

in this area - greeks

[Aspirin]

I think everybody have some % of Asia.
Big part of that is from ancient times

Most of Asian (Mongoloid) component is recent, from Middle Ages, due to migration of steppe nomads into Europe, in my area a big part is from them, other can be from Slavs.

[HungryLion]

in this area - greeks

Really ? On K12b and K13? I mean I don't have anything outside Europe on Ftdna and my heritage.Btw surprised with the Greek do not have any west asian on K12b dodecad

[Pribislav]

There is a bag when it comes to K12 dodecad very often the North Atlantic put under the category of atlantic Med, that happend to me, and it's also very comnon whit Irish result's and other western country's...That's what told me some expert's watchin all my results..So I will probably get little more % Nort Eu and less Med and Caucasus...On K12b dodecad Irish very often ends up more southern than Slovenians, which is not real picture, that's why I prefer more K13, much more balanced and have very good and stabil components.

I agree.

Slovenians and Czechs have more North_European on K12b than Irish people, because North_European on K12b is based on Lithuanians. In reality Irish people are more northern genetically/looking and lighter pigmented on average than both Czechs and Slovenians.

Definitely part of your northern genetic on K12b is hidden under the Atlantic_Med.
You have more North_Atlantic + Baltic on K13 and more North_Sea + Baltic on K15 than many people who got more North_European on K12b than you.
K12b is pretty bullshit calculator where Czechs are more northern than Dutch, and Dutch are quite lightern and more northern looking than Czechs.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Is there any ethnic grup which score 0 asian components?
Southern and Western Europeans score the lowest.

[HungryLion]

I agree.

Slovenians and Czechs have more North_European on K12b than Irish people, because North_European on K12b is based on Lithuanians. In reality Irish people are more northern genetically/looking and lighter pigmented on average than both Czechs and Slovenians.

Definitely part of your northern genetic on K12b is hidden under the Atlantic_Med.
You have more North_Atlantic + Baltic on K13 and more North_Sea + Baltic on K15 than many people who got more North_European on K12b than you.
K12b is pretty bullshit calculator where Czechs are more northern than Dutch, and Dutch are quite lightern and more northern looking than Czechs.

Yep..but it's quite normal for this calculator like u said)))

[HungryLion]

Southern and Western Europeans score the lowest.

Western europeans have some small %

[Kaspias]

For the people who trying to compare typical Hungarians and Szekelys with company results:


1. There is no such a thing named as Balkan admixture. More ENF less WHG carrier = Balkan shift.
2. Company results are not stable most of time, even comparing the results from different companies is madness.
3. Only accurate way to compare them is Gedmatch or D.I.Y. Other ways won't give you the true result.
4. Haplogroups are not important while checking if they Balkan shifted or not.
5. Even if they shifted to the Balkans, result still will be different than this sample. Probably less Baltic more NA.

[Turul Karom]

I think the only Hungarian TA member who scores EA on K13 is Dunai. I think it's like 1.5% more or less.

Just to clarify, are we talking about the Eurogenes K13, yes? I score some East Asian, Amerindian and Siberian as well, but I believe that exclusively using % of EA as a benchmark for old Hungarian DNA is not accurate. Turkic peoples are not stereotypes of Sinics, though obviously plenty of Turkic peoples have an East Asian influenced look and naturally have EA admixture. I am actually going to transfer to GEDmatch another test from another company I've had done, since it has been years and I figured it would be interesting once I have the raw data.

Population

North_Atlantic 38.97
Baltic 26.29
West_Med 12.73
West_Asian 8.19
East_Med 9.39
Red_Sea 1.45
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.66
Siberian 1.10
Amerindian 0.54
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.68
Sub-Saharan -

[Kamal900]

HUN-garian. He/she has pretty high east asian admixture. Most likely from Turkic peoples or something.

[waam]

Well since Hungarians speak a Uralic language I thought it was a given they would have some East Eurasian components. Although I'm familiar with Hungarian results honesty.

[Mingle]

Really ? On K12b and K13? I mean I don't have anything outside Europe on Ftdna and my heritage.Btw surprised with the Greek do not have any west asian on K12b dodecadBy Asian, did you mean East Asian or West Asian? Unless you specify, most people will assume you mean "East Asian" when you say Asian.

As others stated, Western Euros and Southern Euros get no East Asian or get it at noise levels.

There aren't any groups in Europe that don't get some West Asian. All Europeans get West Asian to varying degrees. Greeks (especially Greek Islanders) get a lot of West Asian. Greek Islanders get the most West Asian in all of Europe if I'm not mistaken.

[Mingle]

Well since Hungarians speak a Uralic language I thought it was a given they would have some East Eurasian components. Although I'm familiar with Hungarian results honesty.They get less East Eurasian than Romanians, Moldovans and East Slavs do. Their East Eurasian is in the same range as their neighbors (at an insignificant amount). The Finns, who are also Uralic-speakers, do get a decent chunk of East Eurasian (5-10%) though.

[waam]

They get less East Eurasian than Romanians, Moldovans and East Slavs do. Their East Eurasian is in the same range as their neighbors (at an insignificant amount). The Finns, who are also Uralic-speakers, do get a decent chunk of East Eurasian (5-10%) though.

Yeah for Finns it is known. It's funny honesty how colonizers can embed something as significant as a language but leave barely any genetic footmarks.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Thanks for mentioning me guys, I feel important :rolleyes:
some of us are busy with having an actual life for a change

Anyway, interesting results, East Asian trough the roof. Serbz shitposting as usual lmao

[Adam Janossy]

So basically Hungarians live in the Northern part of Vojvodina. They must be the most Balkanic Hungarians
https://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache-vignettes/L400xH415/2-128-17a3c.jpg

Not at all.

[Turul Karom]

They get less East Eurasian than Romanians, Moldovans and East Slavs do. Their East Eurasian is in the same range as their neighbors (at an insignificant amount). The Finns, who are also Uralic-speakers, do get a decent chunk of East Eurasian (5-10%) though.

Are you saying that East Eurasian admixture is what exclusively represents Old Hungarian ancestry, despite genetic analysis on pre-settlement conqueror graves? That would mean the arriving Hungarians and any other Turkic components would only be from EA. What are you implying?


Yeah for Finns it is known. It's funny honesty how colonizers can embed something as significant as a language but leave barely any genetic footmarks.

Most Hungarians today show traces of the conquering Magyars. Fun fact, Árpád dynasty has same Y DNA as Osman dynasty, and it isn't "N" (though N is obviously present in graves) but rather R1a-Z93. Mingle has interesting opinions and interests in Hungary, of which I am not 100% clear.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-016-1267-z

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

https://i.imgur.com/sP5V9BM.png

https://i.imgur.com/CGboKHC.png

[Adam Janossy]

Thanks for mentioning me guys, I feel important :rolleyes:
some of us are busy with having an actual life for a change

Anyway, interesting results, East Asian trough the roof. Serbz shitposting as usual lmao

I won't even comment Serbian propaganda in this thread.

[Mingle]

Are you saying that East Eurasian admixture is what exclusively represents Old Hungarian ancestry, despite genetic analysis on pre-settlement conqueror graves? That would mean the arriving Hungarians and any other Turkic components would only be from EA. What are you implying?



Most Hungarians today show traces of the conquering Magyars. Fun fact, Árpád dynasty has same Y DNA as Osman dynasty, and it isn't "N" (though N is obviously present in graves) but rather R1a-Z93. Mingle has interesting opinions and interests in Hungary, of which I am not 100% clear.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-016-1267-z

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

https://i.imgur.com/sP5V9BM.png

https://i.imgur.com/CGboKHC.pngI didn't make a comment on how much Old Hungarian ancestry they had. I only mentioned their East Eurasian ancestry since that's what the only thing the other user asked about.

[Leto]

I feel only superiority towards the westerners. They are very week people, they are helpless towards the Muslim imigrant who destroy their countries, and our ancestors endured Ottomans and preserved own pureness in every sense.
What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

[Aspirin]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

This is called gypsisation, and will not solve anything.

[Ford]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

Joining EU and sending them off to the west is another viable option :rolleyes:

[HungryLion]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

Of course there are not many, at least not in comparison with other Balkan countries...

[Leto]

Thanks for mentioning me guys, I feel important :rolleyes:
some of us are busy with having an actual life for a change

Anyway, interesting results, East Asian trough the roof. Serbz shitposting as usual lmao
I mentioned your racial background and that triggered HungryLion a bit. Though he's probably just as white as you. The most Nordic Serb (genetically) I've seen.

[HungryLion]

I mentioned your racial background and that triggered HungryLion a bit. Though he's probably just as white as you. The most Nordic Serb (genetically) I've seen.

not really, but the very idea that the Serbs are a lower race is the constant here extending...
Btw there is nothing unusal to Serb be similar to Slovenian/Czech/Croat/MonteSerb... We lived in same country, well our parents..
But he is more north than me which is really normal and I am totally fine whit that.

[Leto]

not really, but the very idea that the Serbs are a lower race is the constant here extending...
Btw there is nothing unusal to Serb be similar to Slovenian/Czech/Croat/MonteSerb... We lived in same country, well our parents..
But he is more norht than me which is really nornal and I am totaly fine wiht that.
Well, here is Nato's 'white blood' percentage:

31.67% Baltic
30.76% North_Atlantic
13.45% West_Med

44.91% North_European
28.14% Atlantic_Med

Quite similar to you and he's a Central European xD

[HungryLion]

some of you see the Serbs as some sub-humans..Which is funny, cuz most of these folks have some serbian in their genealogy.
these song was joking about propaganda, anti serbian propaganda .
https://youtu.be/RP2u4wJcnS0


Must go..

[Moje ime]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

Are you kidding me?

[HungryLion]

Well, here is Nato's 'white blood' percentage:

31.67% Baltic
30.76% North_Atlantic
13.45% West_Med

44.91% North_European
28.14% Atlantic_Med

Quite similar to you and he's a Central European xD

He is all of that ( Slovenian/Czech/Croat/MonteSerb) ...Do I need to be proud or something Lol.

[HungryLion]

Are you kidding me?

Nah, he looks like to have some really bad history whit Serbs...Lol..I heard better from Ukrainian Banderas when is about to Serbs.

[Moje ime]

Nah, he looks like to have some really bad history whit Serbs...Lol..I heard better from Ukrainian Banderas when is about to Serbs.

He sound like he never got out of his village, I'm watching him for long time, and he talk with Serbs like he's scared or smth.

[Leto]

Nah, he looks like to have some really bad history whit Serbs...Lol..I heard better from Ukrainian Banderas when is about to Serbs.
Lol, that isn't true. I like the Serbs, they are the least Russophobic Slavs, the others tend to blame us for the ills of their societies. I was talking about solving the Gypsy question suggesting full-on cultural assimilation as a possible solution.

The Serbs are the Russians of the Balkans, so they say!

[Leto]

He sound like he never got out of his village, I'm watching him for long time, and he talk with Serbs like he's scared or smth.
LMAO, don't become too paranoid :lol:

[HungryLion]

He sound like he never got out of his village, I'm watching him for long time, and he talk with Serbs like he's scared or smth.

To be honest, many should be.
But this is not a topic, I would not know what his problem with the Serbs..To be honest I do not even care...He is wrong, for me that is enough.

[Moje ime]

Lol, that isn't true. I like the Serbs, they are the least Russophobic Slavs, the others tend to blame us for the ills of their societies. I was talking about solving the Gypsy question suggesting full-on cultural assimilation as a possible solution.

The Serbs are the Russians of the Balkans, so they say!

Gipsies should and will stay Gipsies, majority of them wants that. They can and should be integrated as normal citizens of Serbia and that's all.

[Ford]

Lol, that isn't true. I like the Serbs, they are the least Russophobic Slavs, the others tend to blame us for the ills of their societies. I was talking about solving the Gypsy question suggesting full-on cultural assimilation as a possible solution.

The Serbs are the Russians of the Balkans, so they say!

This will only lead to an increase in stealing of copper wires :D

[Moje ime]

LMAO, don't become too paranoid :lol:

Baltic admixture speaks :lol:

[Leto]

Gipsies should and will stay Gipsies, majority of them wants that. They can and should be integrated as normal citizens of Serbia and that's all.
Well, you can't integrate Gypsy lifestyle into society, they never fit in, only when they abandon it.

[Cumansky]

I love Serbia, best womans tied with Latinas

[Moje ime]

Well, you can't integrate Gypsy lifestyle into society, they never fit in, only when they abandon it.

Majority are already integrated, go to school and have jobs. They just have their specific customs that rest dislike.

[Cumansky]

Baltic admixture speaks :lol:

He not even Russian, he half Ukr..

[Leto]

Majority are already integrated, go to school and have jobs. They just have their specific customs that rest dislike.
Well, good for them if that's the case.

[Leto]

He not even Russian, he half Ukr..
Why do you repeat this nonsense about me? I have no known ancestry from Ukraine. Only Belarus and Russia.

[Moje ime]

Well, good for them if that's the case.

Do you recommend the same to other nations who have Gipsy minority, like Hungarians, Romanians and Russians? To assimilate them?

[Leto]

Do you recommend the same to other nations who have Gipsy minority, like Hungarians, Romanians and Russians? To assimilate them?
Maybe. If they can't be sent back which they can't. I've seen a mixed Gypsy-Russian couple in Russia, the woman was Gypsy and looked strongly Indian-influenced, the man was a normal Russian. Their kid was light-skinned and racially assimilated.

[Cumansky]

Why do you repeat this nonsense about me? I have no known ancestry from Ukraine. Only Belarus and Russia.

You said your father Ruthenian or something slick like that, anyways 2% Red Sea, etc, etc not from arctic..

The Belarusian guy said your not a local already..

[Moje ime]

Maybe. If they can't be sent back which they can't. I've seen a mixed Gypsy-Russian couple in Russia, the woman was Gypsy and looked strongly Indian-influenced, the man was a normal Russian. Their kid was light-skinned and racially assimilated.

I'm very against that and never heard about that idea except of you and few other trolls here.

[Leto]

You said your father Ruthenian or something slick like that, anyways 2% Red Sea, etc, etc not from arctic..

The Belarusian guy said your not a local already..
Yes, Ruthenian which means Russian essentially. Those fake nations didn't exist 100+ years ago, all were considered Russian. And why should I care about a guy who knows nothing about me? He's a dipshit and very Russophobic anyway, I don't give a damn about that idiot who thinks Belarus is Lithuania.

[Leto]

I'm very against that and never heard about that idea except of you and few other trolls here.
An opinion is not trolling. My suggestion didn't sound like trolling and wasn't intended to be so. You may disagree with me of course, that's fine. Let's leave it at that.

[Pribislav]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

The best solution for Gypsies from whole Europe would be their return in India.
Idnia officially recognized Gypsies for their people in diaspora recently. I heard from leader of Gypsy organization in Serbia who visited India.

Gypsies will never be integrated in Serbian society, except tiny minority. Because they don't want to be integrated. Europeans who want to integrated Gypsies are idiots. Gypsies just want to be Gypsies and live like their ancestors for 1000 years, they don't want to be Europeans.
My neighbor worked with Gypsies and he visited their settlements few times. Among them there is totally different rules and organization than in outside world paralel from state system.

[Cumansky]

Yes, Ruthenian which means Russian essentially. Those fake nations didn't exist 100+ years ago, all were considered Russian. And why should I care about a guy who knows nothing about me? He's a dipshit and very Russophobic anyway, I don't give a damn about that idiot who thinks Belarus is Lithuania.

Just admit your father from Ukraine and you have no idea how he landed Belarus..

I am Rusky in that case, send cigarette vodka..

[Dušan]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

Interbreed? No.
They have all rights as an ethnic minority in Serbia, like all other citizens of country.
Why should we interbreed with them?

[Leto]

Just admit your father from Ukraine and you have no idea how he landed Belarus..

I am Rusky in that case, send cigarette vodka..
Lol, please stop. Leave me and my father alone.

[Leto]

The best solution for Gypsies from whole Europe will be their return in India.
Idnia officially recognized Gypsies for their people in diaspora recently. I heard from leader of Gypsy organization in Serbia who visited India.

Gypsies will never be integrated in Serbian society, except tiny minority. Because they don't want to be integrated. Europeans who want to integrated Gypsies are idiots. Gypsies just want to be Gypsies and live like their ancestors for 1000 years, they don't want to be Europeans.
My neighbor worked with Gypsies and he visited their settlements few times. Among them there is totally different rules and organization than in outside world paralel from state system.


Interbreed? No.
They have all rights as an ethnic minority in Serbia, like all other citizens of country.
Why should we interbreed with them?
I understand. Their high birth rates are a problem. And also high crime rates.

[Moje ime]

The best solution for Gypsies from whole Europe will be their return in India.
Idnia officially recognized Gypsies for their people in diaspora recently. I heard from leader of Gypsy organization in Serbia who visited India.

Gypsies will never be integrated in Serbian society, except tiny minority. Because they don't want to be integrated. Europeans who want to integrated Gypsies are idiots. Gypsies just want to be Gypsies and live like their ancestors for 1000 years, they don't want to be Europeans.
My neighbor worked with Gypsies and he visited their settlements few times. Among them there is totally different rules and organization than in outside world.

And that is not realistic scenario.

Also I won't overreact and say no Gipsy is integrated when it is not true. There are ones who are hardworking. But they will always have connection with their own group and "rules" and that's fine as long as they don't break laws.

[Pribislav]

I understand. Their high birth rates are a problem. And also high crime rates.

Yes, they have high birth rate. On the other hand their lenght of life is very short, half of Gypsies dier before 50.

[Cumansky]

Lol, please stop. Leave me and my father alone.

Ruthenian is fake nationality..

Anyways, I prove my point, rest my case you have no counter move

[Leto]

And that is not realistic scenario.

Also I won't overreact and say no Gipsy is integrated when it is not true. There are ones who are hardworking. But they will always have connection with their own group and "rules" and that's fine as long as they don't break laws.
You sound like a civic nationalist. They say you can be anything as long as you are a citizen, have a job, pay taxes, etc. I disagree. Homogenous societies are much better, the best way to avoid ethnic conflicts and identity politics is creating a (relatively) homogenous society. Look at Japan, they don't need identity politics and all that minority bullshit.

[Moje ime]

Problem is our poor social security system. Why some Gipsy children are on streets? Because Government don't have enough money and power to put their parents in jail for children mistreatment and children in social service. Government just leave them live that way.

[Ford]

The best solution for Gypsies from whole Europe would be their return in India.
Idnia officially recognized Gypsies for their people in diaspora recently. I heard from leader of Gypsy organization in Serbia who visited India.

Gypsies will never be integrated in Serbian society, except tiny minority. Because they don't want to be integrated. Europeans who want to integrated Gypsies are idiots. Gypsies just want to be Gypsies and live like their ancestors for 1000 years, they don't want to be Europeans.
My neighbor worked with Gypsies and he visited their settlements few times. Among them there is totally different rules and organization than in outside world paralel from state system.

Yes, if they managed to evade assimilation for a thousand years, I don't see why they would be assimilated anytime soon.

[Moje ime]

You sound like a civic nationalist. They say you can be anything as long as you are a citizen, have a job, pay taxes, etc. I disagree. Homogenous societies are much better, the best way to avoid ethnic conflicts and identity politics is creating a (relatively) homogenous society. Look at Japan, they don't need identity politics and all that minority bullshit.

Japan is pure society after they killed some minorities they had and now they don't let anyone in especially very different nations.

Biggest problem here are non homogenous religions we have, let alone poor Gypsies.

[Ford]

Problem is our poor social security system. Why some Gipsy children are on streets? Because Government don't have enough money and power to put their parents in jail for children mistreatment and children in social service. Government just leave them live that way.

It's the way they are. You can buy them a house, feed them and give them a job and most of them will just quit, sell the house and keep on living in stables after having been fattened on the food given to them. I pity them but they will never change.

[Moje ime]

It's the way they are. You can buy them a house, feed them and give them a job and most of them will just quit, sell the house and keep on living in stables after having been fattened on the food given to them. I pity them but they will never change.

Yes that is true, there were many attempts to help them but they refused. I guess maybe just pure force could do something but "we can't do that". And that applies only on one minor part of Gipsies, like I said, many of them are more or less integrated.

[Leto]

Japan is pure society after they killed some minorities they had and now they don't let anyone in especially very different nations.
And that's a great thing! Look at America, Canada, etc. They are rapidly desintegrating because now everyone can come over and say I'm American or Canadian - whatever race or religion. That basically means no one is. Russia is in a dire position as well, hardcore civic nationalist + pro-immigration... I know what I'm talking about.

[Moje ime]

One thing - many Gipsies came to Serbia from Kosovo, after war, they have "Muslim" names so obviously those are "Albanian" Gipsies, but they didn't escape to Albania but to Serbia. :rolleyes: They are usually in that worst category, not capable for integration.

[Leto]

One thing - many Gipsies came to Serbia from Kosovo, after war, they have "Muslim" names so obviously those are "Albanian" Gipsies, but they didn't escape to Albania but to Serbia. :rolleyes: They are usually in that worst category, not capable for integration.
I've read about 30% of Gypsies in Bulgaria are Muslims. What a nighmare!

[Moje ime]

And that's a great thing! Look at America, Canada, etc. They are rapidly desintegrating because now everyone can come over and say I'm American or Canadian - whatever race or religion. That basically means no one is. Russia is in a dire position as well, hardcore civic nationalist + pro-immigration... I know what I'm talking about.

America is artificial nation. Of course everybody can be American. It's like everybody could be Soviet or Yugoslavian. But Russian or Serbian - those are old nations and you can't imply the same logic on them.

[Pribislav]

Yes, if they managed to evade assimilation for a thousand years, I don't see why they would be assimilated anytime soon.

Friend of my grandfather from Drvar told him this story.
When he was young Gipsy caravan from somewhere passed through his area. He saw beautiful Gypsy girl and ask her to marry for him. She said she want to marry for him, but if he went with her and accept Gypsy life style. And she went, he never saw her again.

[Leto]

America is artificial nation. Of course everybody can be American. It's like everybody could be Soviet or Yugoslavian. But Russian or Serbian - those are old nations and you can't imply the same logic on them.
Um, not exactly true. America was like 90% white and 98% Christian (largely Protestant) in the 1950-60s. They were in the process of nation building but then the floodgates were opened to Latin America, Asia and Africa.
Russia is officially a multiethnic and multireligious country, they welcome everyone who can speak some Russian and support the regime.

[Moje ime]

Um, not exactly true. America was like 90% white and 98% Christian (largely Protestant) in the 1950-60s. They were in the process of nation building but then the floodgates were opened to Latin America, Asia and Africa.
Russia is officially a multiethnic and multireligious country, they welcome everyone who can speak some Russian and support the regime.

I think you don't distinguish a person who lives in Russia and ethnic Russian person. That is not the same. Chinese can live in Russia too and know Russian language but he is Chinese.

[Pribislav]

I think you don't distinguish a person who lives in Russia and ethnic Russian person. That is not the same. Chinese can live in Russia too and know Russian language but he is Chinese.

From what I heard citizens of Russia are Rosyani, not Russians. Difference like between Serbs and Serbians. Serbian can be Magyar or Bulgarian born in Serbia, but not Serb.

[Leto]

I think you don't distinguish a person who lives in Russia and ethnic Russian person. That is not the same. Chinese can live in Russia too and know Russian language but he is Chinese.
Lol. As if I didn't know that :rolleyes::picard1:
Okay, we're talking about different things. Let's discontinue.

[Moje ime]

From what I heard citizens of Russia are Rosyani, not Russians. Difference like between Serbs and Serbians. Serbian can be Magyar or Bulgarian born in Serbia, but not Serb.

Ako je tako sta onda njemu nije jasno, ne razumem.

[Leto]

From what I heard citizens of Russia are Rosyani, not Russians. Difference like between Serbs and Serbians. Serbian can be Magyar or Bulgarian born in Serbia, but not Serb.
Yes, true. But no legal document makes that distinction. To the government an Uzbek who just received a Russian passport and an ethnic Russian or Tatar are the same - rossiyanie.

[Pribislav]

Ako je tako sta onda njemu nije jasno, ne razumem.

Nisam baš siguran. Valjda se boji procesa rusifikacije nekih manjina koje bi uprljale rusku krv/genetiku.

[Moje ime]

Nisam baš siguran. Valjda se boji procesa rusifikacije nekih manjina koje bi uprljale rusku krv/genetiku.

Ne bih rekla, upravo je to sto nama predlaze sa Ciganima.

[Pribislav]

Ne bih rekla, upravo je to sto nama predlaze sa Ciganima.

To što predlaže nama ne želi u svojoj zemlji. Vidiš da ima fetiš na nordijsku rasu i genetiku.

[Moje ime]

To što predlaže nama ne želi u svojoj zemlji. Vidiš da ima fetiš na nordijsku rasu i genetiku.

Znaci mnogo je pametan.

[Leto]

Don't get me wrong, I was just thinking about the Gypsy question. People kind of focus on foreign migrants and Muslims but remain largely oblivious to the Gypsy issue which is also very complicated. If I could, I would send them "back" to India but India being a huge and poor nation with a lot of social inequality and things of that nature will never accept a few million poor and criminal foreigners that won't be a benefit to society.

[Moje ime]

Don't get me wrong, I was just thinking about the Gypsy question. People kind of focus on foreign migrants and Muslims but remain largely oblivious to the Gypsy issue which is also very complicated. If I could, I would send them "back" to India but India being a huge and poor nation with a lot of social inequality and things of that nature will never accept a few million poor and criminal foreigners that won't be a benefit to society.

Don't think anymore ;)

[Mingle]

What about the Cigani? Are there many Mortimers in Serbia? I am no fan of the Roma but probably it would be better to interbreed with them and thus make them disappear. That's the only legal way to solve the Romani question.

Indians should have assimilated the low caste tribal population when their numbers were small instead of creating the BS caste system allowing their population to grow. It's because of the caste system that there are hundreds of millions Gypsy-type people in India/South Asia, and as a consequence many of them ended up in Europe, West Asia, etc. during the Middle Ages. The Indian government tried to secretly sterilize them not too long ago, but there was a big uproar over it and it got scrapped midway.


India’s history of sterilization includes the “Emergency period” which began on June 25th, 1975, with the Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi.

Indira Gandhi declared a State of Emergency, and began rounding up Dalits (those considered “untouchables”) and Muslims by the millions.

According to the Population Research Institute, a non-profit which documents, exposes, and ends coercive population control programs, the conditions and consequences during the two-year emergency period were similar to what the women faced earlier this week.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-deadly-cost-of-population-control-indias-targeted-women-82514

Many/most Dalits in India/South Asia live exactly like Gypsies in Eastern Europe.

No other Indo-European society had such a rigid caste system AFAIK.

[Mingle]

Yes, true. But no legal document makes that distinction. To the government an Uzbek who just received a Russian passport and an ethnic Russian or Tatar are the same - rossiyanie.

On another forum, some ethnic Russians said that everyone that calls themselves Russian and natively speaks Russian should be called Russkiy (ethnic Russian) rather than Rossiyanin (Russian citizen). They said that the distinction between Rossiyanin and Russkiy is some invention by Putin in the 90's and that they don't accept the distinction because it hurts Russia's unity or something like that.

[Leto]

Don't think anymore ;)
In some decades we all will have to start thinking how to turn incoming Black Africans into Russians, Serbians, Croatians, Hungarians, etc. etc. since about 25% of the planet's population will be in Africa and that will cause immense disasters such as draught, famine, pollution, wars, etc... I guess that's another topic, I don't wanna go into that.

[Leto]

On another forum, some ethnic Russians said that everyone that calls themselves Russian and natively speaks Russian should be called Russkiy (ethnic Russian). rather than Rossiyanin (Russian citizen). They said that the distinction between Rossiyanin and Russkiy is some invention by Putin in the 90's and that they don't accept the distinction because it hurts Russia's unity or something like that.
That's BS, believe me, but many do buy into that. I won't go into that either.

[Mingle]

I think you don't distinguish a person who lives in Russia and ethnic Russian person. That is not the same. Chinese can live in Russia too and know Russian language but he is Chinese.

A bit of a nitpick but he would technically be "Han" rather than "Chinese". China is an artificial nation like the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, etc. (even though its much older) and the main ethnicity/nation there is Han.

[Leto]

A bit of a nitpick but he would technically be "Han" rather than "Chinese". China is an artificial nation like the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, etc. (even though its much older) and the main ethnicity/nation there is Han.
Yeah but the Han are 91% and the rest of minorities are mostly Asian too (= racially close), they are fine. Plus they recognize only native ethnic groups and there's no mass migation from abroad to the People's Republic. I don't worry about them in this regard, they're fine, I bet Europe will go extinct long before the Chinese.