View Full Version : Continental likeness of British regions
J. Ketch
03-21-2019, 10:54 AM
According to POBI. I combined French, German, Belgian and Scandinavian components together. The French and German likeness is primarily from the Northern and Western parts of those countries, otherwise something like the Belgian component would be much higher.
Cornwall
French - 57.4%
German - 19.3%
Scandinavian - 14.1%
Belgian - 6.7%
Spanish/South French - 2.5%
Devon
French - 48.5%
German - 22.8%
Scandinavian - 17.7%
Belgian - 8.4%
Spanish/South French - 2.6%
Central/South England
French - 42.6%
German - 26.6%
Scandinavian - 20.3%
Belgian - 9.5%
Spanish/South French - 1.2%
Welsh Borders
French - 43.8%
German - 27.9%
Scandinavian - 17.6%
Belgian - 8.5%
Spanish/South French - 2.2%
West Yorkshire
German - 33.1%
French - 30.2%
Scandinavian - 22.5%
Belgian - 11.6%
Spanish/South French - 2.1%
Northumbria
French - 41.3%
German - 24.7%
Scandinavian - 22.8%
Belgian - 9.1%
Spanish/South French - 2.2%
Cumbria
French - 39.2%
German - 24%
Scandinavian - 22.9%
Belgian - 11.3%
Spanish/South French - 2.6%
South Wales
French - 45.95%
German - 26.8%
Scandinavian - 13.7%
Belgian - 8.5%
Spanish/South French - 5.15%
North Wales
French - 41.5%
German - 32%
Scandinavian - 13%
Spanish/South French - 7.1%
Belgian - 6%
Northeast Scotland
French - 42.25%
Scandinavian - 23.15%
German - 20.05%
Belgian - 10.8%
Spanish/South French - 3.7%
Southwest Scotland
French - 39.8%
German - 23.7%
Scandinavian - 23.1%
Belgian - 9.4%
Spanish/South French - 4%
Northwest Scotland
French - 54.5%
Scandinavian - 24.3%
German - 12.8%
Belgian - 5.8%
Spanish/South French - 2.9%
Orkney
French - 39.29%
Scandinavian - 33.23%
German - 15.86%
Belgian - 8.73%
Spanish/South French - 2.9%
https://i.postimg.cc/8krkkcLG/zJGrwGn.png
Bellbeaking
03-25-2019, 05:02 PM
bumpoi, not really sure what exactly this means in isolation but its fun to compare regions
Tooting Carmen
03-25-2019, 05:48 PM
Interesting how only West Yorkshire scores German before French.
J. Ketch
03-25-2019, 08:56 PM
bumpoi, not really sure what exactly this means in isolation but its fun to compare regions
Make of it what you will.
The graph alone without the numbers was confusing, and people had been erroneously using it as evidence of actual ancestral admixture rather than just likeness to modern continental populations.
What I get from it as that Cornwall is clearly the most Southern/French shifted part of Britain (least Germanic + Bell Beaker), and that West Yorkshire is more Germanic-like than Central and Southern England. Despite this, people always claim with confidence that SE England/East Anglia is the most Germanic part of the country; well if they are then they're obviously mixed with some Southern elements to a much greater degree than people in Yorkshire and the North West. I also think the Viking influence in Yorkshire and Lancashire may be underrated.
Bellbeaking
03-28-2019, 02:45 PM
Some sillies believed this showed Britons to be genetically closest to North France. Which is obviously not what this means.
celticdragongod
03-28-2019, 07:50 PM
According to POBI. I combined French, German, Belgian and Scandinavian components together. The French and German likeness is primarily from the Northern and Western parts of those countries, otherwise something like the Belgian component would be much higher.
Did Bretons form part of the French sample?
J. Ketch
03-29-2019, 10:29 AM
Did Bretons form part of the French sample?
Probably, as you can see on the map.
J. Ketch
03-29-2019, 11:03 AM
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Davystayn
09-14-2020, 08:50 PM
Interesting how only West Yorkshire scores German before French.
Yorkshire gets highest Scandanavian for eng more or less too, Northumbria gets slightly more but less German. All of Scotland's regions have higher levels of Scandanavian than England
I guess high levels of French in North west Scotland is due to greater isolation/preservation of native types (if French is proxy for celts/picts etc).
Wales unsurprisingly gets highest levels of south french/Spanish (North Wales 7.1%) but quite high German at up to 34%
Interesting take with this regional breakdown, thanks for doing it, makes it a lot clearer!
J. Ketch
09-15-2020, 03:12 AM
Yorkshire gets highest Scandanavian for eng more or less too, Northumbria gets slightly more but less German. All of Scotland's regions have higher levels of Scandanavian than England
I guess high levels of French in North west Scotland is due to greater isolation/preservation of native types (if French is proxy for celts/picts etc).
Wales unsurprisingly gets highest levels of south french/Spanish (North Wales 7.1%) but quite high German at up to 34%
Interesting take with this regional breakdown, thanks for doing it, makes it a lot clearer!
Since you bumped the thread, I'll post the original numbers I got from another forum:
Cornwall:
GER3: 7.6%
GER6: 11.7%
BEL7: 0.4%
BEL11: 6.3%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 24.5%
FRA17: 32.9%
DEN18: 9.2%
SFS31: 2.5%
Scandinavian Total: 4.9%
Devon:
GER3 (Saxon): 11.1%
GER6: 11.7%
BEL7: 1.2%
BEL11: 7.2%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 16.5%
FRA17: 32%
DEN18: 11.1%
SFS31: 2.6%
Scandinavian Total: 6.6%
Central/South England:
GER3: 10.4%
GER6: 16.2%
BEL7: 0.5%
BEL11: 9%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 9%
FRA17: 33.6%
DEN18: 11.3%
SFS31: 1.2%
Scandinavian Total: 9%
Welsh Borders:
GER3: 9.1%
GER6: 18.8%
BEL7: 0.7%
BEL11: 7.8%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 18.4%
FRA17: 25.4%
DEN18: 10.1%
SFS31: 2.2%
Scandinavian Total: 7.5%
West Yorkshire:
GER3: 8.3%
GER6: 24.8%
BEL7: 0.7%
BEL11: 10.9%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 12.2%
FRA17: 18%
DEN18: 11.8%
SFS31: 2.1%
Scandinavian Total: 10.7%
Northumbria:
GER3: 4.2%
GER6: 20.5%
BEL7: 1%
BEL11: 8.1%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 16.6%
FRA17: 24.7%
DEN18: 10.4%
SFS31: 2.2%
Scandinavian Total: 12.4%
Cumbria:
GER3: 2.9%
GER6: 21.1%
BEL7: 0%
BEL11: 11.3%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 16.8%
FRA17: 22.4%
DEN18: 10.5%
SFS31: 2.6%
Scandinavian Total: 12.4%
South Wales (Combined N & S Pembrokeshire):
GER3: 0%
GER6: 26.8%
BEL7: 0%
BEL11: 8.5%
FRA12: 8.25%
FRA14: 37.7%
FRA17: 0%
DEN18: 5.7%
SFS31: 5.15%
Scandinavian Total: 8%
North Wales:
GER3: 0%
GER6: 32.4%
BEL7: 0.5%
BEL11: 5.5%
FRA12: 3.2%
FRA14: 38.3%
FRA17: 0%
DEN18: 3.6%
SFS31: 7.1%
Scandinavian Total: 9.4%
Northeast Scotland (Combined NE Scotland 1 & 2):
GER3: 2.2%
GER6: 17.85%
BEL7: 0.5%
BEL11: 10.3%
FRA12: 0%
FRA14: 21.35%
FRA17: 20.9%
DEN18: 7.05%
SFS31: 3.7%
Scandinavian Total: 16.1%
Southwest Scotland:
GER3: 1.6%
GER6: 22.1%
BEL7: 0.1%
BEL11: 9.3%
FRA12: 6%
FRA14: 25.3%
FRA17: 8.5%
DEN18: 7.6%
SFS31: 4%
Scandinavian Total: 15.5%
Northwest Scotland:
GER3: 0%
GER6: 12.8%
BEL7: 0%
BEL11: 5.8%
FRA12: 5%
FRA14: 32.1%
FRA17: 17.4%
DEN18: 2.8%
SFS31: 2.9%
Scandinavian Total: 21.5%
Orkney (Combined Westray, Orkney1 & Orkney2):
GER3: 1.06%
GER6: 14.8%
BEL7: 0.3%
BEL11: 8.43%
FRA12: 0.26%
FRA14: 22.43%
FRA17: 16.6%
DEN18: 6.4%
SFS31: 2.9%
Scandinavian Total: 26.83%
The high French that Insular Celts get is obviously mostly a proxy for Bretons, so correlates with native pre-Germanic ancestry. Part of the Scandinavian total in my OP includes DEN18, which probably represents some Anglo-Saxon ancestry, so 'Scandinavian' is a bit high in most places and partly Anglo-Saxon. Belgian might be seen as mostly Celtic ancestry, German as mostly Germanic. Who knows what the Spanish/South French represents, maybe even some indigenous Neolithic remnant. 23andme showed some similar small SW Euro/Neolithic affinity for Wales.
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