NATO daytime strike hits Libya's state broadcaster

[European blood]

The aim of Operation " UNIFIED PROTECTOR" is to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under attack or threat of attack. The mission consists of three elements: an arms embargo, a no-fly-zone and actions to protect civilians from attack or the threat of attack.


Cairo/Tripoli - NATO launched a rare daytime attack on Tripoli on Monday, hitting Libya's state broadcaster and damaging the section housing the radio stations, eyewitnesses said.

Activists said in online reports that broadcasts had been hit in the east of the country but remained unaffected in western cities.

NATO aircraft bombed Tripoli overnight in attacks on facilities used by Moamer Gaddafi. Residents said life had come to a near-standstill. They said the offices of the attorney general had been destroyed.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/africa/news/article_1643806.php/NATO-daytime-strike-hits-Libya-s-state-broadcaster


War on Libya is war on Africa

http://sfbayview.com/2011/war-on-libya-is-war-on-africa/


'US to impose imperialism on Libya'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/183265.html


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[Joe McCarthy]

It's time to simply kill Qadhafi. This has gone on long enough. Allowing tinhorn dictators to defy the West is abhorrent.

[The Lawspeaker]

I didn't know that the attorney general and the Libyan media was so dangerous for the people down there..

[Birka]

It's time to simply kill Qadhafi. This has gone on long enough. Allowing tinhorn dictators to defy the West is abhorrent.

How is he defying the West? By staying alive? In his own country, where we have absolutely no business telling anybody anything?

[Joe McCarthy]

How is he defying the West? By staying alive? In his own country, where we have absolutely no business telling anybody anything?

The none of our business crowd said the same thing about Somalia, pushed for us to cut and run, and the place wound up a pirate nest and threat to international commerce. The same thing could happen in Libya if stability is not restored.

[Birka]

The none of our business crowd said the same thing about Somalia, pushed for us to cut and run, and the place wound up a pirate nest and threat to international commerce. The same thing could happen in Libya if stability is not restored.

Who else should we murder to keep from turning into pirates? How long is your list?

[Aces High]

The aim of Operation " UNIFIED PROTECTOR" is to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under attack or threat of attack. The mission consists of three elements: an arms embargo, a no-fly-zone and actions to protect civilians from attack or the threat of attack.


Strange how the UN doesnt implement the same sanctions on Israel....who use helicopter gunships and white phos on civilians as a matter of course.

[European blood]

Strange how the UN doesnt implement the same sanctions on Israel....who use helicopter gunships and white phos on civilians as a matter of course.

The UN doesn't implement the same sanctions on Israel because of the Jewish lobby in the United States government.


US Vetoes Israel Settlement UN Resolution


UNITED NATIONS — The United States vetoed a U.N. resolution Friday that would have condemned "illegal" Israeli settlements and demanded an immediate halt to all settlement building, a move certain to anger Arab countries and Palestinian supporters around the world.

The 14 other Security Council members voted in favor of the resolution, reflecting the wide support for the Palestinian-backed draft which had over 100 co-sponsors.

U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said the United States agrees with the rest of the council and the wider world "about the folly and illegitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity." But she said the U.S. believes "it is unwise" for the U.N.'s most powerful body to attempt to resolve key issues between the Israelis and Palestinians.

The vote put President Barack Obama in a difficult position, both internationally and domestically.

The U.S. veto was strongly opposed by Arab nations and much of the rest of the world, especially at a time of growing street protests in the Mideast, fueled by hopes for democracy. An abstention would have angered the Israelis, the closest U.S. ally in the region, as well as Democratic and Republican supporters of Israel in the U.S. Congress.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/18/us-vetoes-israel-settlement_n_825391.html

[Svanhild]

It's time to simply kill Qadhafi. This has gone on long enough. Allowing tinhorn dictators to defy the West is abhorrent.
Joe McCarthy's agenda of spreading internationalism:

- Meddle into the sole business of foreign and fully sovereign countries ✔
- Wage war against these countries for rather concealed reasons and public pseudo-reasons ✔
- Claim that US laws shall imposed upon these countries ✔
- Bomb the shit out of these countries for freedom and a distorted definition of democracy of the plutocraty ✔
- Use the fact that a country defends itself against attacks as a prove for its viciousness ✔
- After zillion of casualities and a deposed native government, install a new Washington-controlled government of submissive puppets ✔
- Suck the country dry of its ressources and infrastructure and add it to the brotherhood of New World Order ✔
-Join a forum and brag about how strong you support national sovereignity as long as it doesn't interfere with US interests and the Hochfinanz ✔

It's always the same. I hope you like your new buddy, Civis Batavi.

[The Lawspeaker]

We may agree on certain things but Joe and I definitely don't agree here or when it comes to his brand of internationalism (mine and his brands are not related to each other) and I bet we understand that from each other. Let other people die for those desert dwellers.. preferably they themselves - not us.

[Aces High]

Countries that dont have a Rothschild controlled central bank yet....Libya,Syria,Iran and Cuba......well well well.

Axis of evil indeed......mmmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder.;)

[The Lawspeaker]

Countries that dont have a Rothschild controlled central bank yet....Libya,Syria,Iran and Cuba......well well well.

Axis of evil indeed......mmmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder.;)
Ah - that solves the riddle now, does it ?

[European blood]

Countries that dont have a Rothschild controlled central bank yet....Libya,Syria,Iran and Cuba......well well well.

Axis of evil indeed......mmmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder.;)

Islamic banking is interest free because Sharia law prohibits Usury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

[The Lawspeaker]

Islamic banking is interest free because Sharia law prohibits Usury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
And so did Christianity during the Middle Ages so that's why Jews became bankers (as they were kept out of any other profession).

[Joe McCarthy]

Who else should we murder to keep from turning into pirates? How long is your list?

Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the guy who ordered the Lockerbie bombing. It is revealing how often the isolationists and anti-American crowd takes up for Third World crackpots.

[Joe McCarthy]

Islamic banking is interest free because Sharia law prohibits Usury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Yes, let us hope Muslims continue to abhor interest as that will ensure their economies remain backward and non-threatening to us. Though in truth they get around this through various 'fees'.

[Aces High]

Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the guy who ordered the Lockerbie bombing.

What about the guy who ordered this..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[Birka]

Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the guy who ordered the Lockerbie bombing. It is revealing how often the isolationists and anti-American crowd takes up for Third World crackpots.

Where did I ask you to shed a tear? I just am interested how many more people do you want to murder on a global scale? Killing them for their own good, that will show them.

[Joe McCarthy]

Where did I ask you to shed a tear? I just am interested how many more people do you want to murder on a global scale? Killing them for their own good, that will show them.

Yours is a silly question completely unrelated to this topic.

[Joe McCarthy]

Let us grant him his wish.

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/explosions-tripoli-rebels-seize-libyan-town-005832913.html

[Aces High]

us

You talk a good fight.:rolleyes:

[Joe McCarthy]

You talk a good fight.:rolleyes:

An even sillier post. Congrats.

[Aces High]

An even sillier post. Congrats.

Join up,oil your rifle and go bustin caps in the middle east instead of talking about it bigtimer.

[Joe McCarthy]

Join up,oil your rifle and go bustin caps in the middle east instead of talking about it bigtimer.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you here to insult me?

Is there an ignore option on this forum?

[Aces High]

Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you here to insult me?


Why is asking you to practise what you preach an insult..?

[Birka]

Yours is a silly question completely unrelated to this topic.


Not silly at all. You want to kill a foreign leader before he turns into a pirate. (who would ever consider that silly?)

I just want to know how many more foreign leaders (or tin-horn dictators, as you put it) you want to murder, or is Gaddafi the only one.

[Joe McCarthy]

Not silly at all. You want to kill a foreign leader before he turns into a pirate. (who would ever consider that silly?)


That isn't what I said at all, but yours is a good illustration of why isolationists shouldn't be anywhere near the levels of foreign policy making. With the overthrow of the Barre regime in Somalia, the stage was set for anarchy, instability, Islamic fanatics finding a base, and piracy. When we went in we could have stayed long enough to ensure Somalia had a functioning state to restore stability, but no, we had those saying we must mind our own business (as if the safety of commerce isn't our business) and we ran. Similarly, if we don't settle this in Libya, there will be a stalemate, anarchy, Islamists everywhere in lawless areas, and possible piracy, especially given that North Africa has a long history of piracy, of which the US is very familiar in its history.

[Loddfafner]

That isn't what I said at all, but yours is a good illustration of why isolationists shouldn't be anywhere near the levels of foreign policy making. With the overthrow of the Barre regime in Somalia, the stage was set for anarchy, instability, Islamic fanatics finding a base, and piracy. When we went in we could have stayed long enough to ensure Somalia had a functioning state to restore stability, but no, we had those saying we must mind our own business (as if the safety of commerce isn't our business) and we ran. Similarly, if we don't settle this in Libya, there will be a stalemate, anarchy, Islamists everywhere in lawless areas, and possible piracy, especially given that North Africa has a long history of piracy, of which the US is very familiar in its history.

If my memory serves me right, America's hasty withdrawal from Somalia a) was forced by Republicans in Congress more interested in undermining the Clinton administration than in national security, and b) gave bin Laden the impression that America was a pushover.

As for Libya in particular, this is a job that needs to be finished otherwise the human trafficers that smuggle Africans to Europe will dominate the coastline.

[Joe McCarthy]

If my memory serves me right, America's hasty withdrawal from Somalia a) was forced by Republicans in Congress more interested in undermining the Clinton administration than in national security, and b) gave bin Laden the impression that America was a pushover.

As for Libya in particular, this is a job that needs to be finished otherwise the human trafficers that smuggle Africans to Europe will dominate the coastline.

Yes, the GOP accused Clinton of engaging in social work and nation-building, which played well with an instinctively isolationist American public. That isn't to say Clinton handled it well, especially as he didn't supply adequate armor, but it was made much worse by pulling out.

[European blood]

Not silly at all. You want to kill a foreign leader before he turns into a pirate. (who would ever consider that silly?)

I just want to know how many more foreign leaders (or tin-horn dictators, as you put it) you want to murder, or is Gaddafi the only one.

At least all the leaders of Islamic countries in the middle east.

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[Aces High]

if we don't settle this in Libya, there will be a stalemate, anarchy, Islamists everywhere in lawless areas, and possible piracy, especially given that North Africa has a long history of piracy, of which the US is very familiar in its history.

Just like Afghanistan.Try settling that first.

As for piracy,once again....:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[SwordoftheVistula]

It's time to simply kill Qadhafi. This has gone on long enough. Allowing tinhorn dictators to defy the West is abhorrent.

Since when have you turned into a supporter of the Obama regime? I hope Quadaffi hangs on and embarrasses his fellow African despot Obama. Obama is a direct threat to America, Quadaffi poses no threat whatsoever, so any American patriot should at the least not be on the Obama side.

[The Ripper]

It's time to simply kill Qadhafi. This has gone on long enough. Allowing tinhorn dictators to defy the West is abhorrent.

It is worrying how national sovereignty means nothing in the minds of these globocops. And they've managed to brainwash an entire generation into thinking that liberal goodies can always go and kill fascist/fundamentalist, anti-freedomfries baddies with impunity.

[Joe McCarthy]

Since when have you turned into a supporter of the Obama regime? I hope Quadaffi hangs on and embarrasses his fellow African despot Obama. Obama is a direct threat to America, Quadaffi poses no threat whatsoever, so any American patriot should at the least not be on the Obama side.

If Qadhafi hangs on the West will look like a feeble joke, it'll hurt US prestige, will embolden other international outlaws, will create Somaliazation in Libya, will unleash boat traffic across the Mediterreanean to Europe, will result in Libyan oil going to China, and will further assist in the transition to a Chinese century. In short, there is much more at stake than embarrassing our nigger president.

[SwordoftheVistula]

If Qadhafi hangs on the West will look like a feeble joke, it'll hurt US prestige, will embolden other international outlaws, will create Somaliazation in Libya, will unleash boat traffic across the Mediterreanean to Europe, will result in Libyan oil going to China, and will further assist in the transition to a Chinese century. In short, there is much more at stake than embarrassing our nigger president.

Not really. It's mostly a British and French operation anyways. And at the moment, Obama=US so far as 'foreign prestige' goes, so any setback to his administration is a benefit to us. All these other clowns pose far less threat to America than Obama and the progressive/socialist Democrats, so any victory by them over the Obama administration is a definite plus.

[Joe McCarthy]

It is worrying how national sovereignty means nothing in the minds of these globocops. And they've managed to brainwash an entire generation into thinking that liberal goodies can always go and kill fascist/fundamentalist, anti-freedomfries baddies with impunity.

You make this stuff sound new. The West colonized literally every Muslim country on the planet, and given adequate military power Muslims would have done the reverse. The deferential attitude to a crazy like Qadhafi though is especially disturbing, as it indicates that fascists are very prone to take a Third Worldist, anti-Western line on foreign policy, effectively making them co-belligerents.

[Aces High]

It is worrying how national sovereignty means nothing in the minds of these globocops. And they've managed to brainwash an entire generation into thinking that liberal goodies can always go and kill fascist/fundamentalist, anti-freedomfries baddies with impunity.

Funny how these talking heads also have such catchy phrases that they bleat on and on..."international outlaws"....wtf

The biggest international outlaw of the last decade was that fool Bush.....resposible for the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

[SwordoftheVistula]

effectively making them co-belligerents.

Well right now, you're 'effectively' being a co-belligerent of Barack Obama.

[Joe McCarthy]

Funny how these talking heads also have such catchy phrases that they bleat on and on..."international outlaws"....wtf

The biggest international outlaw of the last decade was that fool Bush.....resposible for the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

International outlaws is not mere rhetoric. It has specific meaning. Several regimes, including the Libyan regime especially until several years ago, are outside the norms of international law, sponsoring terrorism and so forth. The US and its allies make the rules. You can call this unfair, but someone has to make them, and it's better we make them than guys like Colonel Qadhafi. Once made, rules must be enforced, which is where we come in.

[poiuytrewq0987]

A Russian special envoy for Africa said in the rebel capital of Benghazi on Tuesday that Gaddafi could no longer represent Libya and that Russia was ready to help in any way possible.

In Beijing, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said an Egypt-based Chinese diplomat had visited Benghazi for talks with the rebel-led National Transitional Council.

The Libya contact group of Western and Arab countries agreed in May to provide millions of dollars in non-military aid to help the rebels keep services and the economy running.
It's over for Gaddafi.

[Joe McCarthy]

It's over for Gaddafi.

Yes, Sarkozy made a special appeal to Medvedev and he buckled. This has an additional benefit in that Russia left China hanging out to dry by siding with the West, thus straining relations between them. Left out to dry, the chinks are now forced to jump on the bandwagon, making them look impotent. Result: we win all around. The only unhappy people are likely to be Qadhafi, a few Third World nutzos, and 'pro-white' Third Worldists who never saw a shitskin dictator they couldn't root for against their own kind.

[Aces High]

sponsoring terrorism and so forth.

Why doesnt the US attack Saudi Arabia thern..?...and so forth.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Why doesnt the US attack Saudi Arabia thern..?...and so forth.

I would love to see America send a tactical nuke your way.

[Joe McCarthy]

Why doesnt the US attack Saudi Arabia thern..?...and so forth.

Because we're not crazy. Doing that would bring the full force of jihadists on our heads and as a practical matter propping up the House of Saud prevents worse from taking their place. I agree they're a problem though. Actually, the only difference between them and Israel is that while both want us to take out their regional enemies, Israel at least supports us at the UN while the KSA is barely better than Iran on that score.

[European blood]

Gaddafi Unplugged and Uncensored

Message from Colonel Mu’ummar Qaddafi - English pravda.ru (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/13-04-2011/117563-message_from_qaddafi-0/)

Translated by Professor Sam Hamod, Ph.D.

Recollections of My Life: Col. Mu'ummar Qaddafi, The Leader of the Revolution. April 5, 2011.


In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful...

For 40 years, or was it longer, I can't remember, I did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me, instead he killed that poor innocent child. Then I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union.

I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people's committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom" never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.

No, no matter what I did, it was never enough for some, but for others, they knew I was the son of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only true Arab and Muslim leader we've had since Salah-al-Deen, when he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I claimed Libya, for my people, it was his footsteps I tried to follow, to keep my people free from colonial domination - from thieves who would steal from us.

Now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military history, my little African son, Obama wants to kill me, to take away the freedom of our country, to take away our free housing, our free medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style thievery, called "capitalism," but all of us in the Third World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the world, and the people suffer. So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die by following His path, the path that has made our country rich with farmland, with food and health, and even allowed us to help our African and Arab brothers and sisters to work here with us, in the Libyan Jamahiriya.

I do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it.

Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stood up to betrayal, stood up to the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood with my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a beacon of light. When others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and in a tent. I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our national treasury foolishly, and like Salah-al-Deen, our great Muslim leader, who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself...

In the West, some have called me "mad", "crazy", but they know the truth yet continue to lie, they know that our land is independent and free, not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and has been clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last breath to keep us free, may Allah almighty help us to remain faithful and free.


c: Col. Mu'ummar Qaddafi, 2011/05/04

[poiuytrewq0987]

Sounds like Gaddafi's realizing his twilight is before him, now he's trying to portray himself as the o' benevolent dictator who loved his people.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't think that we (as the west in general) should have involved ourselves in this godforsaken mess but I can't say that I will mourn his demise. On the contrary even....but what will the Libyans get in return ?

[poiuytrewq0987]

I don't think that we (as the west in general) should have involved ourselves in this godforsaken mess but I can't say that I will mourn his demise. On the contrary even....but what will the Libyans get in return ?

A democratic government and a freer economy if the rebels win. The GDP of Libya grew by 10% last year, that figure could be sustained and perhaps see a bigger growth if the rebels win and bring the war to an end.

[The Lawspeaker]

A democratic government and a freer economy if the rebels win.
I doubt it.

[European blood]

A democratic government and a freer economy if the rebels win. The GDP of Libya grew by 10% last year, that figure could be sustained and perhaps see a bigger growth if the rebels win and bring the war to an end.

Why is the US so eager to help Libya get Democracy but not Saudi Arabia?

The U.S foreign policy is based on hypocrisy and greed.

Democracy and Freedom are a farce ...

[poiuytrewq0987]

Why is the US so eager to help Libya get Democracy but not Saudi Arabia?

The U.S foreign policy is based on hypocrisy and greed.

Democracy and Freedom are a farce ...

Um, because Saudis aren't revolting against their government?