Subclade locator map generator

[Dick]

Cool website.

https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

Here's mine:


https://i.imgur.com/7BHZop6.png

https://i.imgur.com/V9fRJNO.png


https://i.imgur.com/Xmg3qkq.png

[Rædwald]

Cool website.

https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

Here's mine:


https://i.imgur.com/7BHZop6.png

https://i.imgur.com/V9fRJNO.png

This is cool, but I can't find my clade on here :confused:

[Dick]

This is cool, but I can't find my clade on here :confused:

it's there. select I2, click on "my ancestors path" and type in "L233"

[Rædwald]

it's there. select I2 and type in "L233"

https://i.postimg.cc/G3Sc55kJ/112.png

Neat.

[Kaspias]

There is no Q :(

[xripkan]

Very useful for me. My subclade has 2 discovered clades. For the first shows Anatolia on 1000BC. It fits perfectly with the Cimmerians! The other is at Western Ukraine at 1700 BC. It is not so clear. I think it has mostly to do with the ancestors of Sarmatians but at this place there were also this age the ancestors of Proto-Thracians!

[Cumansky]

Run some of most hated Haplogroups..

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9mypRXV/migration.png

D O G G E R L A N D :lol:

[CommonSense]

https://i.imgur.com/Hk3S0SS.png

[Bosniensis]

Does this calculator take in consideration ICE AGE for example?

Also according to this I was in Dacia in 3rd century A.D which might explain our Romanian and Bulgarian admixture.

[Dick]

I was in Dacia

xD

[HungryLion]

https://i.ibb.co/qn7cm5Z/20190322-195229.jpg

[Cumansky]

https://i.ibb.co/qn7cm5Z/20190322-195229.jpg

Pan European giant race, ancient mammoth hunters

[HungryLion]

Pan European giant race, ancient mammoth hunters

Yep, really badass dudes :cool:

[IncelSlayer]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/252132842266558464/558728348205842452/unknown.png


The earliest impressed ware sites, dating to 6400-6200 BC, are in Epirus and Corfu. Settlements then appear in Albania and Dalmatia on the eastern Adriatic coast dating to between 6100 and 5900 BC.[5]

Cool,altho the map is kind of wrong, it should be Bosphorus M92 not Albania

[HungryLion]

Does this calculator take in consideration ICE AGE for example?

Also according to this I was in Dacia in 3rd century A.D which might explain our Romanian and Bulgarian admixture.

Mister leave the car right now.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/37/2d/af/372daf07bf972a30a92de413ac2fad91--car-deals-classic-mini.jpg?b=t

[Ford]

I got just north of Zürich.

[Bosniensis]

xD

not funny, I did not want to say that :D

[Tschaikisten]

https://i.imgur.com/Hk3S0SS.png

Select Y128028, YSC33 is not more our last known subclade on YFull.

[Ayetooey]

Wtf?

https://i.imgur.com/uEu5fx2.jpg

[CommonSense]

Select Y128028, YSC33 is not more our last known subclade on YFull.

My bad, I thought our clade was called Y60799 (since that's what the G-L497 project on FTDNA gives us) and since I couldn't find it, I put the clade before that one. Anyway, here's the map:

https://i.imgur.com/vU0sanx.png

[Carpatz]

It says R1a came from Anatolia :picard2:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/558739120378347560/unknown.png

[Tschaikisten]

My bad, I thought our clade was called Y60799 (since that's what the G-L497 project on FTDNA gives us) and since I couldn't find it, I put the clade before that one. Anyway, here's the map:



Yes it is, but Y60799 is not on the YFull (we still have only one Serbian BigY) and + 2 confirmed results who are Y60799 (one also from Krajina and one from Herzegovina). Bulgarian guy which makes Y128028 with him on YFull is negative on Y60799, so it's probably characteristic Serbian clade, younger than 1200 years. It's also specific that even that our haplogroup is pre-Slavic, we don't have ''cousins'' among Albanians, Aromanians, Greeks. Only among Bulgarians, and just few of them from central and western Bulgaria.

[Luke35]

YSEQ is still processing, but I am Y6077+. My great-grandfather was born in Ungvar in 1874, at the time it was part of Hungary but is now in Ukraine. Ungvar is about a 3.5 hr car drive (261 km) from where Y6077 is placed on the map.
https://i.imgur.com/cMKs8Fo.png
This map shows the approximate location of my clade and the place of my great-grandfathers birth, Ungvar- now located near the Slovakia/Ukraine border.
https://i.imgur.com/qkH1vis.png

[Thambi]

https://i.imgur.com/dHDfmux.png

[Bosniensis]

It says R1a came from Anatolia :picard2:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/558739120378347560/unknown.png

epic fail

[Ayetooey]

Real version.

https://i.imgur.com/3QMyzP4.jpg

[visar]

Right now is a bit more western Poland
https://i.imgur.com/s1DYbkv.jpg

[dosas]

https://i.ibb.co/ydG6ZtP/migration-route.png

There must be something up with the map.

[Ayetooey]

Real version.

[img]..

I haven't tested SNP's yet so I'm just ph908, but I tried the clade of my closest y-67 match who's done big y. (ph330).

https://i.imgur.com/booQsK5.jpg

[Hulu]

Polska

http://i63.tinypic.com/al3wpd.jpg

[Hulu]

I doesn't find my maternal ydna E-S19928 :rolleyes:

[Ayetooey]

I doesn't find my maternal ydna E-S19928 :rolleyes:

Try E-Z25461.

[Hulu]

Try E-Z25461.

Why? I have one exact match in Germany which is FGC11447

Here it is anyway

http://i68.tinypic.com/j8zhhk.jpg

[Ayetooey]

Why? I have one exact match in Germany which is FGC11447

Here it is anyway

http://i68.tinypic.com/j8zhhk.jpg

On the Yfull page for E-Z25461, next to it is written S19928 alongside the YBP so I thought they were the same. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[Dick]

It says R1a came from Anatolia :picard2:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/558739120378347560/unknown.png
Kipchak hakan was right

[frankhammer]

No matter what subclade i typed in, it came up as could not be found. I guess it is idiot-proof.

[Ayetooey]

No matter what subclade i typed in, it came up as could not be found. I guess it is idiot-proof.

You need to remove the first letter and the - and just put the letters in after the -.

[Coastal Elite]

It's based on a MorleyDNA subclade result so who knows if this is accurate. Nevertheless, African pride, stay Vlach.

https://i.imgur.com/4sn805R.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Dbh5Xg6.jpg

[de Burgh II]

Wuz Doggerlander/Belgian n' shitz-nit?

https://i.postimg.cc/qvgZmfMY/Untitled.jpg

[Dick]

YSEQ is still processing, but I am Y6077+. My great-grandfather was born in Ungvar in 1874, at the time it was part of Hungary but is now in Ukraine. Ungvar is about a 3.5 hr car drive (261 km) from where Y6077 is placed on the map.

This map shows the approximate location of my clade and the place of my great-grandfathers birth, Ungvar- now located near the Slovakia/Ukraine border.


That's cool, man.

[Luke35]

That's cool, man.

Thanks, this site you discovered is really cool. I don't know the level of accuracy, but it sure clarifies the migration routes. Gives a great visual.
Any ideas how your patrilineage got from Germany to Serbia? Was there a known migration?

[Dick]

Thanks, this site you discovered is really cool. I don't know the level of accuracy, but it sure clarifies the migration routes. Gives a great visual.
Any ideas how your patrilineage got from Germany to Serbia? Was there a known migration?

maybe Saxons or Danube Swabians.

[Gallop]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lgVCD5VY_-Q/XJWeOdFQWsI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/VE_En2YUzFMfi0p8FtWwlhmBHN6pcJEpACLcBGAs/s1600/phylogeographer.com_mygrations_.png

[Dick]

My bad, I thought our clade was called Y60799 (since that's what the G-L497 project on FTDNA gives us) and since I couldn't find it, I put the clade before that one. Anyway, here's the map:

https://i.imgur.com/vU0sanx.png

750ad could coincide with Serb migrations

https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1498/62/1498624261094.png

[arkas]

https://i.imgur.com/Axbpmm0.jpg

Did I2 actually originate in Italy and my subclade started around the Ukraine/Romania border?

[oszkar07]

How accurate is FTDNA at finding specific subclade when doing Ydna test , they seem like such a rip off.
You do the Ydna test , you take an extra test to get your subclade , then they keep suggesting further snp pack tests to confirm subclade, is this because they are not accurate wth subclade prediction without doing lots extra tests ?

[Cumansky]

https://i.imgur.com/Axbpmm0.jpg

Did I2 actually originate in Italy and my subclade started around the Ukraine/Romania border?

Not originate but first sample founded there, the arrow just show chronological order, not any migration patterns..

[Cumansky]

maybe Saxons or Danube Swabians.

You have Saxon surname, or no? In my region Germanic Saxons are documented since middle ages

How you got Viking Haplogroup in Serbia, isn't this rare your people lived near some major rivers?

[dosas]

How accurate is FTDNA at finding specific subclade when doing Ydna test , they seem like such a rip off.
You do the Ydna test , you take an extra test to get your subclade , then they keep suggesting further snp pack tests to confirm subclade, is this because they are not accurate wth subclade prediction without doing lots extra tests ?

They're very accurate. It's very expensive business. If you don't care about final subclade, just feed your raw data in predictor like morley.

[Ayetooey]

..

Did I2 actually originate in Italy and my subclade started around the Ukraine/Romania border?

Seems like it, we wuz Dacians :D.

Yours doesn't seem to go as far south as mine, maybe because you're din-north. Mine is in south-west Ukraine Carpathian region(which was part of Dacia) before being in modern day Romania by 100AD, and finally Serbia by 300AD.

https://i.imgur.com/booQsK5.jpg[/img]

[Ayetooey]

How accurate is FTDNA at finding specific subclade when doing Ydna test , they seem like such a rip off.
You do the Ydna test , you take an extra test to get your subclade , then they keep suggesting further snp pack tests to confirm subclade, is this because they are not accurate wth subclade prediction without doing lots extra tests ?

Based on your str values a dna project can predict your clade with good accuracy. The I2a project on FTDNA would sort you out; you only need an SNP pack or big Y if you're really into Y dna research as a hobby.

[Cumansky]

Sunghir 6 Medieval Russian

[Cumansky]

Greece Chania

[Pubiczar]

https://i.postimg.cc/T1KHS815/y16729.png (https://postimages.org/)closest bofa atm to me (https://banks-nearme.com/bank-of-america-near-me)

Tyrolean Alps, 2000 BC

A truly mountaineering...

[arkas]

Seems like it, we wuz Dacians :D.

Yours doesn't seem to go as far south as mine, maybe because you're din-north. Mine is in south-west Ukraine Carpathian region(which was part of Dacia) before being in modern day Romania by 100AD, and finally Serbia by 300AD.

https://i.imgur.com/booQsK5.jpg[/img]

Mine eventually did go pretty far South if they ended up in the Pelopponese, Greece lmao

I don't know anything about the Dacians to be honest, who were they?

[Ayetooey]

Mine eventually did go pretty far South if they ended up in the Pelopponese, Greece lmao

I don't know anything about the Dacians to be honest, who were they?

The subclade I put in is from big Y, so it's the deepest possible clade for my possible line, that's why yours doesn't go further. If you have any matches who've done big Y try putting their clade through and you'll see your migration down to Greece.

Dacians were a thracian descended tribe and =Ancient people of modern day Romania + moldova/southern Ukraine/parts of Hungary.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.postimg.cc/mrpdvQsH/Opera-Instant-neo-2019-03-23-101125-phylogeographer-com.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2s99e06.jpg

[Ayetooey]

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2s99e06.jpg

Whats with the R1b being from Anatolia on this :bounce How many years back is the starting point from Turkey?

[Papastratosels26]

Nice one.

[lonewolfcypriot]

This calculator is telling me that G came from Jordan, I thought that it came from Georgia?

[Tschaikisten]

This calculator is telling me that G came from Jordan, I thought that it came from Georgia?

People are getting wrong when they think that haplogroups and their subclades by default originated in area where is highest frequency today.

You have to look where is bigest diversity of clades and where are founded clades with * (negative on all known downstream snps) and also older clades. That have to be combined with archeogenetics. Bigest variety of G is in southeastern Anatolia.

[Voskos]

...

[dududud]

Nothing for R-Z19/Z17?

[Dick]

Nothing for R-Z19/Z17?

select R1b, click on "my ancestors path" and type in "Z19"

[El_Abominacion]

So it looks like mine originated in Central China and spread to South China and Vietnam

https://i.gyazo.com/1e3f5b9ee161015121b33b8e62c9775a.png

[Voskos]

Lmfao, maternal family Y-DNA(not R1a or I2):

https://snag.gy/tVQmnS.jpg

[Thracian]

http://i.imgur.com/Yu6BeYa.jpg

[Voskos]

This calculator is telling me that G came from Jordan, I thought that it came from Georgia?

where's your map?

[dududud]

select R1b, click on "my ancestors path" and type in "Z19"

Thanks.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1291x937q90/921/9vGtsa.png

[Dick]

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2s99e06.jpg

Interesting. Germanic subclade 100%

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Interesting. Germanic subclade 100%

Yours too brother. :cheers:

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8S3dZfq7mok/XJjo5vZlqNI/AAAAAAAAAL4/oyJCM9kxw7IjJCjlLjHaa9WLQuZtsVsHQCLcBGAs/s1600/phylogeographer.com_ancient-dna-viewer__R1a%2B%25281%2529.png

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aC0p-BlA2DA/XJbYBuUGWDI/AAAAAAAAAKI/rWEDaLnHH9s5LEO-X9Ef93H_DdlMQUAGACLcBGAs/s1600/phylogeographer.com_mygrations_%2B%25281%2529.png

More precise.

[North Sea]

Why? I have one exact match in Germany which is FGC11447

Here it is anyway

http://i68.tinypic.com/j8zhhk.jpg

Urnfield / Hallstatt , thats where the Proto Ilyrians came from ... interesting . Also your German match possibly dates to Iron Age / Bronze Age ? Could mean your Ydna expanded from central Europe and intomthe West Balkans with Indo European migration.

[Hulu]

Urnfield / Hallstatt , thats where the Proto Ilyrians came from ... interesting . Also your German match possibly dates to Iron Age / Bronze Age ? Could mean your Ydna expanded from central Europe and intomthe West Balkans with Indo European migration.

That I don't know, Skerdilaid might answer how far back that match goes. That's my maternal's side ydna. This is my father's side but they follow the same pattern pretty much.

http://i63.tinypic.com/al3wpd.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Your maternal's side ancestors were wandering in Iberia. Perhaps that explains why you have so much compatibility with us ;)

[North Sea]

That I don't know, Skerdilaid might answer how far back that match goes. That's my maternal's side ydna. This is my father's side but they follow the same pattern pretty much.

http://i63.tinypic.com/al3wpd.jpg

It's possible I believe some EV13 came into Balkans with Indo Europeans.

Although I have read some other theories now on IE people. That they actually formed in modern Iran or Southern Caucasus where one branch migrated into Europe as farmers (Neolithic) and another branch migrated North into Caucasus and around the Steppes where they mixed with some EHG + CHG like population , eventually creating the Yamnaya. Some serious geneticists like Reich and some others are now claiming this supposedly.


This would mean that neolithic farmers from the near east were actually the first to speak an Indo European language.

[Vasconcelos]

It's no wonder there are so few of my haplogroup, I guess most drowned north of Corsica and only a few made it into continental Europe :lol:


https://i.postimg.cc/mLBn2p1H/pf4428.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's no wonder there are so few of my haplogroup, I guess most drowned north of Corsica and only a few made it into continental Europe :lol:

Descendant of Atlantis perhaps.

[paradox]

There is no Q :(Why?

[Kaspias]

Why?

I don't know they haven't added

[Ayetooey]

They've changed the migration routes. It's worth rerunning your clade. Still proto Serb.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/564407099002585089/unknown.png?width=400&height=261

[Ayetooey]

They've changed the migration routes. It's worth rerunning your clade. Still proto Serb.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/564407099002585089/unknown.png?width=400&height=261

The cultures my clade is associated. "La Tene" was present in Pannonia it's a celtic culture.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/564556980342226954/unknown.png?width=400&height=267

[Dušan]

The cultures my clade is associated. "La Tene" was present in Pannonia it's a celtic culture.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/564556980342226954/unknown.png?width=400&height=267

So I2-PH908 is Celtic, not Slavic?

[North Sea]

It doesn't say much for me. Can simebody run J2b2 L283 on this and subclade PH1751 ?

[Ayetooey]

So I2-PH908 is Celtic, not Slavic?

According to this. It has my clade enter Raska in 200AD, which would coincide with celtic settlements into the Balkans from La Tene. In all honestly though this is all a work in progress; unless they've found ancient remains in La Tene, but no i2a1b-din from there as far as I'm aware?

[Dick]

changed a bit. it will probably keep changing


https://i.imgur.com/iMNLtkd.png

[Oneeye]

That feel when you are a rare e1b

[Ayetooey]

This guy has some interesting services. You can pay to get on the map, and he can do a migration story for your Y dna. Honestly I wouldn't trust him with my money since last week my clade was Dacian now it's Celtic, but maybe it would interest others.

https://phylogeographer.com/get-on-the-map/

[North Sea]

So I2-PH908 is Celtic, not Slavic?

It says it is also Germano Slavic but there has never been found any I2a1b PH908 in ancient Balkans from what I know, so I wouldn't take it much serious and it would be a pure speculation. Its obviously work in progress. They dont know the origin or exact migration route of these clades anymore than we do or people on anthrogenica IMO. One would basically have to go by ancient samples etc. This is why I said earlier that this thing is nonsense. It can't give you anymore information than what you already know. Its migration path for J2b2 L283 is totally wrong.

[Dick]

This guy has some interesting services. You can pay to get on the map, and he can do a migration story for your Y dna. Honestly I wouldn't trust him with my money since last week my clade was Dacian now it's Celtic, but maybe it would interest others.

https://phylogeographer.com/get-on-the-map/

so it does change



Regularly updated migration route as new data from your haplogroup comes in to YFull or the algorithm is improved

[Ayetooey]

It says it is also Germano Slavic but there has never been found any I2a1b PH908 in ancient Balkans from what I know, so I wouldn't take it much serious and it would be a pure speculation. Its obviously work in progress. They dont know the origin or exact migration route of these clades anymore than we do or people on anthrogenica IMO. One would basically have to go by ancient samples etc.

Oldest sample is 900 AD from south east Poland and that's dinaric north not PH908 so we have no ancient samples at all, but it obviously isn't celtic so I don't know why the maker has put it as coming from La Tene.

[Ayetooey]

so it does change

It's a good idea just amateur. It say's he's a volunteer for the J-M241 and J2 Haplogroup Resarch Projects on FTDNA, he should get admins from other projects to help him out and make it more accurate.

[Ford]

According to this. It has my clade enter Raska in 200AD, which would coincide with celtic settlements into the Balkans from La Tene. In all honestly though this is all a work in progress; unless they've found ancient remains in La Tene, but no i2a1b-din from there as far as I'm aware?

I'm also La Tène. Celts unite.

[Ayetooey]

I'm also La Tène. Celts unite.

You're a real Hallstatt/La Tène nigga. No clue why this guy has put ph908 as La Tène, unless there's been a sample found recently I'm unaware of.

[Lucas]

Oldest sample is 900 AD from south east Poland and that's dinaric north not PH908 so we have no ancient samples at all, but it obviously isn't celtic so I don't know why the maker has put it as coming from La Tene.

What sample???

[Ayetooey]

What sample???

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214540-I2a-Din-in-900s-AD-Poland

Nothing older than this AFAIK.

[Dick]

It's a good idea just amateur. It say's he's a volunteer for the J-M241 and J2 Haplogroup Resarch Projects on FTDNA, he should get admins from other projects to help him out and make it more accurate.

Maybe has the time periods wrong. I'm surprised my clade is even there since I'm the only one on yfull with it.

[Ayetooey]

Maybe has the time periods wrong. I'm surprised my clade is even there since I'm the only one on yfull with it.

It's too late. I've changed my location. I hope Sinan is reading this, he's a celt.

[Dick]

It's too late. I've changed my location. I hope Sinan is reading this, he's a celt.

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/uVoBcZZg4EPWVTGuwCcJvUexJ7Q=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/GettyImages-575421217-5c2a469846e0fb00010c14f4.jpg

[Kriptc06]

https://i.imgur.com/Gk8C4ru.png
https://i.imgur.com/6zhQrO9.png

Possible roman to Iberia, my clade is found both in England and Iberia, it came from central europe as it shows. very cool

[dosas]

They seem to have fixed the map somewhat?

https://i.ibb.co/hVSGRqZ/Screenshot-2019-04-11-Mygrations-Mygrations.png

[paradox]

My dad's
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/e7523ce581886cab2536e97bd302e91e.jpg

[Dick]

Oldest sample is 900 AD from south east Poland and that's dinaric north not PH908 so we have no ancient samples at all, but it obviously isn't celtic so I don't know why the maker has put it as coming from La Tene.

Mine changed again. check yours



https://i.imgur.com/jAkDO8e.png

[Ford]

My clade is in Poland, from Unetice culture.

[xripkan]

One of the two subclades of my clade is now connected with Urnfield culture. It is found at Western Ukraine and Eastern Slovakia so it is the subtype named Gava Holigrady culture. This culture is connected with Thracians! The other clade is not connected with this culture but it directs to Anatolia form Crimea on 1100BC. It perfectly fits with the Cimmerians. Now I want more to take a Y-DNA test to find my clade. I think a Y-SEQ panel Z93 could be beneficial in my case.

[Ayetooey]

The map is the same, but they've changed the culture sections again. To Urnfield celtic.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/566191952849272843/unknown.png?width=356&height=300

[xripkan]

The chronologies of the mentioned cultures are wrong though.

[Ayetooey]

..

[Ayetooey]

I had my y-67 matches subclade wrong this whole time. Just put the right one in.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/567093382867058698/unknown.png?width=400&height=297

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/567093660592766996/unknown.png?width=400&height=251

[Dick]

I had my y-67 matches subclade wrong this whole time. Just put the right one in.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/567093382867058698/unknown.png?width=400&height=297

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/567093660592766996/unknown.png?width=400&height=251

https://media.tenor.com/images/7573b6637716304a62d7ed40ccaaa3b1/tenor.gif

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285999-Gallo-Scythians-(Basternae)-from-Ukraine-(Ancestors-of-Serbs-)&p=5958438&viewfull=1#post5958438

[Bosniensis]

I had my y-67 matches subclade wrong this whole time. Just put the right one in.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/567093382867058698/unknown.png?width=400&height=297

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491704559228551192/567093660592766996/unknown.png?width=400&height=251

https://sonofhel.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/10845772_810290012351414_6871346222734390045_o.jpg

[Bosniensis]

It's plausible to say that I2a1b are Central European Celts who were pushed down south.

[Dick]

It's plausible to say that I2a1b are Central European Celts who were pushed down south.

The Bastarnae (Peucini) were originally Celtic

[Ayetooey]

It's plausible to say that I2a1b are Central European Celts who were pushed down south.

It's possible, we know that I2 covered the whole of Europe at one point. Oldest sample of the predecessor clade of I2a1b-Dinaric was found in Luxembourg 6000 BC which was later on Celtic (from the iron age up until 100 AD with the roman conquest).

The oldest known I2a1b-L161.1 individuals are the 8,000 year-old Loschbour man from Mesolithic Luxembourg, and a 7,800 year-old man from Motala in southern Sweden. I2a1b-L161.1 was probably scattered over most of Europe during the late Glacial and immediate postglacial periods, and in all likelihood integrated Neolithic society like all other Mesolithic lineages.

[Bosniensis]

It's possible, we know that I2 covered the whole of Europe at one point. Oldest sample of the predecessor clade of I2a1b-Dinaric was found in Luxembourg 6000 BC which was later on Celtic (from the iron age up until 100 AD with the roman conquest).

The oldest known I2a1b-L161.1 individuals are the 8,000 year-old Loschbour man from Mesolithic Luxembourg, and a 7,800 year-old man from Motala in southern Sweden. I2a1b-L161.1 was probably scattered over most of Europe during the late Glacial and immediate postglacial periods, and in all likelihood integrated Neolithic society like all other Mesolithic lineages.

That's what I've been saying for years and have been ridiculed.

Those R1b are invaders (Germans) R1a (Huns) --> no offence to anyone who belong tho those groups.

The only part of European history that has been completely ignored in Schools are Germanic Invasions of Europe.

Even the title would sound silly to most of Europeans, but that's what Romans were saying: "Germanic Invasions of Europe"

Which is why most of Germans on this forum hates me, cause I repeated that numerous times.

[Dick]

That's what I've been saying for years and have been ridiculed.

Those R1b are invaders (Germans) R1a (Huns) --> no offence to anyone who belong tho those groups.

The only part of European history that has been completely ignored in Schools are Germanic Invasions of Europe.

Even the title would sound silly to most of Europeans, but that's what Romans were saying: "Germanic Invasions of Europe"

Which is why most of Germans on this forum hates me, cause I repeated that numerous times.

Lmao I always believed in you, Doctor.

[Ayetooey]

That's what I've been saying for years and have been ridiculed.

Those R1b are invaders (Germans) R1a (Huns) --> no offence to anyone who belong tho those groups.

The only part of European history that has been completely ignored in Schools are Germanic Invasions of Europe.

Even the title would sound silly to most of Europeans, but that's what Romans were saying: "Germanic Invasions of Europe"

Which is why most of Germans on this forum hates me, cause I repeated that numerous times.

They wiped us autochthonous people almost out of existence, twisted our history. Who knows what secrets lie uncovered.

[Bosniensis]

They wiped us autochthonous people almost out of existence, twisted our history. Who knows what secrets lie uncovered.

*I2 women = female children of I2 people.

https://i.imgur.com/KUkx8VL.png

[Dick]

*I2 women = female children of I2 people.

https://i.imgur.com/KUkx8VL.png

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/crying-clapping-gif-11.gif

[dosas]

Bosniesis' theories demonize R1bs, by focusing on the Western European subclades and w/o taking into account the eastern branch of Yamnaya (R-Z2103) which is equally 'native' in the Balkans and Anatolia.

[Bosniensis]

Bosniesis' theories demonize R1bs, by focusing on the Western European subclades and w/o taking into account the eastern branch of Yamnaya (R-Z2103) which is equally 'native' in the Balkans and Anatolia.

I don't ignore Balkan R1b, there was both R1a and R1b on Balkans, but I and J even E haplogroups were MAJOR.

I don't judge people by haplogroup, Romans had R1a and R1b haplogroups but they were not the MAJOR haplogroups as they are now in Western Europe.

I use haplogroups only to show how certain Germanic peoples (who carry R1b clades) caused Genocides to I2 Celts, Etruscans, Iberian Celts etc...

[dosas]

If we go by languages then Hellenic, Latin, Thracian, Armenian, Hittite and Phrygian languages are Indo-European creations and most likely 'eastern' Yamnaya, so your argument of Rs committing genocide on Is doesn't make sense, in the grand scheme of things.

[dosas]

It seems the latest update includes my final subclade, identifying it as Greco-Roman.

https://i.ibb.co/rQGH7pf/Y155609migration.png

[Dick]

It seems the latest update includes my final subclade, identifying it as Greco-Roman.

https://i.ibb.co/rQGH7pf/Y155609migration.png

Are you on yfull?

[dosas]

Are you on yfull?

Yes, mate.

[Dick]

Yes, mate.

Try this new one

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?286629-A-New-SNP-Tracker-developed-by-Robin-Spencer/page3

[Peterski]

*I2 women = female children of I2 people.

https://i.imgur.com/KUkx8VL.png

Where is I1 in all of that?

[Dick]

Where is I1 in all of that?

we were still in Wielbark

[drewcastle]

*I2 women = female children of I2 people.

https://i.imgur.com/KUkx8VL.png

Where you did this information come from? it does not seem truthful, in the latest and largest study by Olalde et al. It has been proven that the change from I2 to R1b was in Bell Beaker's time, around 2500 BC, with an estimated change of the paternal haplogroup close to 100% and 40% at the autosomal level.

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/iberia-admixture-y-dna.jpg

[Stefanos.tasidis]

Wtf?

https://i.imgur.com/uEu5fx2.jpg

you are Jay-Z

[Hulu]

I checked Rudel's clade :lol: This has to be the straightest line ever

https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

[Dick]

Update for subclades again. Mine moved from the sea to Munich now



https://i.imgur.com/FDuiuqT.jpg

[Ayetooey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/589584763887812608/unknown.png?width=400&height=277

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/589584847110930462/unknown.png?width=390&height=300

[Lemgrant]

https://i.imgur.com/AKSddH1.png
https://i.imgur.com/ITE7HT4.png

[Ayetooey]

https://i.imgur.com/AKSddH1.png

I always knew Indo-Europeans came from the sea..

[Dick]

I always knew Indo-Europeans came from the sea..

so close to being the real "Chosen people" :jewish:

[Impaler]

Why they do not have J2-M67? I couldn't found my subclade.

[Dick]

Why they do not have J2-M67? I couldn't found my subclade.

it's there. Click on migrations at top, migration by snp, enter M67

[xripkan]

This page connects 2-3 subclades of R-Z93 with the Late Bronze Age-early Iron Age Urnfield culture. Does it make sense? This culture has to do with Celts. Could anyone enlighten me?

[Dick]

This page connects 2-3 subclades of R-Z93 with the Late Bronze Age-early Iron Age Urnfield culture. Does it make sense? This culture has to do with Celts. Could anyone enlighten me?

My subclade is Urnfield culture too but this website should be updated soon again anyway.


https://i.imgur.com/FDuiuqT.jpg

[Dick]

New update to the site and it is bizarre


https://i.imgur.com/PICG6wi.png

[Rædwald]

New update to the site and it is bizarre


https://i.imgur.com/PICG6wi.png

I got Atlantic Bronze Age as well :lol:

[PaleoEuropean]

I am pretty sure thats wrong, although my clade is associated with Germanic peoples and Sardinians, both populations came from the Balkans.

https://i.imgur.com/1HNyIH8.jpg

[Dick]

I got Atlantic Bronze Age as well :lol:


I am pretty sure thats wrong, although my clade is associated with Germanic peoples and Sardinians, both populations came from the Balkans.


My homies

[PaleoEuropean]

Interesting article on the sight, the specific deep clade may or not be mine, but interesting stuff about I-L161

"S2639 is currently under sampled in Germany and France do to the oversampling of Western English speakers. By the English-speaking genetic companies. France even has a law against casual DNA testing since 1994. As I am paternally French via Quebec into NY, i, with many French Canadian males, are much of the data for French-origin y-DNA.

My paternal line is recorded back to Continvoir, France to at least 1649. Here, I match a man surnamed Croix, whose ancestors were from Luynes (20 minutes from Continvoir by car). Our paternal ancestor predates common surname use linking our diversion to 1000-1500 AD.

I closely match three males in Great Britain, we are connected in ancestor I-A8742. One from Wales, one from Scotland, one from northern Ireland. I was initially thought to be a fluke as the “isles” flag was briskly planted for subclade l161 and descended. I took three of my close British matches and traced them to surnames originating with the Norman Conquest of 1066. Wauke/Walkup, Redemand/Redmond & Collier we’re all slept into Britain during the conquest and subsequent land divisions. By the time of the crusades, these titles expanded into Scotland, Wales and even northern Ireland.

I tested a few more lines to Norman settlers and figure most if not all l161 (and most I2a in Britain) are the result of the Norman migration of 1066. This is also the best hypothesis on how Croix & I would be so closely related to these Brits.

Samples that were given arbitrary ages in Britain, prior to modern genome research, are causing research obstacles. There is no calibration with y-DNA distribution and known historical records. Modern I-2A carriers are most densely from historic Gothic settlements. The Gothic (Visigoth/Salian & Ripurian Frank/Ostrogoth/Burgundian/Alamani/Marcomani) migrations carried I2a into Europe proper from c. 200 AD onward. Prior to this, they were long inhabitants of the Black & Caspian Seas region. All Goths are recorded as migrating in from the Dalmatia/Pannonia provinces, which is were one of I-2a’s most dense branches exist today, the “Dinaric” branch. The other hotbed, Sardinia, was sacked by vandals, taken and settled by Visigoths and later even the Franks had a campaign there.

There is a chance that some Gothic-type mercenaries went in with the Anglo-saxon wave, but was the Goths we’re the reseason for the i2b Teutons to push westward, it’s rare at best.

All this to say, as more French test, the weight of I-2a subclades in Britain should shift back to mainland Europe. I can say, with the three documented British Norman males that match me, with what I know about Croix & My origin, my paternal line would match up with them around 200-1000 AD around the Loire River."

I-l161 is pretty rare but spread out all the way Romania and found in almost every European country.

[Norb]

Mine's not working

[Dick]

Mine's not working

https://i.imgur.com/sQeaFLm.png

[Snkves]

R-L664

https://i.imgur.com/8948uNJ.png

[Norb]

https://i.imgur.com/sQeaFLm.png

Thank you Dick, an important question - how accurate is that map in terms of where the red line leaves Germany/NL and arrives in England at that specific location?

[Dick]

Thank you Dick, an important question - how accurate is that map in terms of where the red line leaves Germany/NL and arrives in England at that specific location?

I don’t know. You can send him an email and ask. Afaik he is going by yfull samples only.

[Voskos]

Here's my map, looks accurate:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/monkeyisland/images/3/34/Monkey_island_map%28EMI%29.jpg

[Gwydion]

Doesn't seem all that accurate, but can't be blamed since the samples on Yfull for my subclade are limited. It seems decently accurate or at least in the ballpark regarding U152, L2, and Z49. Still interesting though:

https://iili.io/6IcdJ.png

In contrast here's my own rough sketch migration path of my subclade based on my knowledge of more samples, TMRCA with continental samples, historic migrations, etc.:

https://i.imgur.com/9sAN6QP.png

[Lemgrant]

New update to the site

https://i.imgur.com/5WXLmp5.png

[**JC**]

My father's fathers fathers ....etc
Took the scenic route.
A journey from 8000BC to 700BC

https://i.imgur.com/ceqohIy.jpg

[Dick]

My subclade for now belongs to Hallstatt Culture



https://i.imgur.com/jwQRqDd.jpg

[Bosniensis]

My subclade for now belongs to Hallstatt Culture



[img]https://i.imgur.com/jwQRqDd.jpg[/ig]

Been telling that...

I1 can't be Gothic except for the Goths who have Celtic ancestry.

[Dick]

Been telling that...

I1 can't be Gothic except for the Goths who have Celtic ancestry.

Well, that is my subclade only and not all I1 and I figured it would be more akin to Celts/Swabians than to Goths anyway.

[Dick]

Subclade changed

https://i.imgur.com/rY0hFjQ.png