A message for users lamenting over whether to take a Y dna test or not

[Ayetooey]

I hear this a lot, my response is simple. You only live once.

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[Ülev]

no, just no

[Ayetooey]

no, just no

This message isn't aimed at you; you obviously don't care beaker boy :D.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Just to let you know that I have ordered it, lol.

[Damião de Góis]

I'm actually considering it. I did 23andme some time ago and i'm on V2. On 23andme my Y-DNA appears without any specific clade (i'm just R1b-P312), which should come after R1b-P312:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/50lm3c.jpg

The thing is, i know of people on V2 that have seen their R1b clades appear after the various updates 23andme has done. But mine never has, so it could be a waste of money and the results could come back the same.

"Congratulations sir, you are R-P312! We thank you for your money."

I would expect R1b-DF27 as it's shown on this R1b tree:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/01/38/ca0138a2899115f646f79a4b94f29035.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I'm actually considering it. I did 23andme some time ago and i'm on V2. On 23andme my Y-DNA appears without any specific clade (i'm just R1b-P312), which should come after R1b-P312:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/50lm3c.jpg

The thing is, i know of people on V2 that have seen their R1b clades appear after the various updates 23andme has done. But mine never has, so it could be a waste of money and the results could come back the same.

"Congratulations sir, you are R-P312! We thank you for your money."

I would expect R1b-DF27 as it's shown on this R1b tree:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/01/38/ca0138a2899115f646f79a4b94f29035.jpg

I ordered from YSEQ and I contacted Thomas (CEO) directly. I explained my situation, which Y-DNA I was attributed and what I knew so far (which wasn't much). He advised me and guided me through what I should get so I placed an order. It is significantly cheaper than FTDNA but in the end it all depends on what your goal is: if you desire to climb further down the Haplotree to receive a more recent subclade or if you desire to find matches with whom you can communicate.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Btw, I thought you were R1b-DF27? That's what Morley predicted you? P312 for all that we know, you can even be L21 like myself :)

[Damião de Góis]

Btw, I thought you were R1b-DF27? That's what Morley predicted you? P312 for all that we know, you can even be L21 like myself :)

No and who is Morley? I doubt i'll be L21, if i was 23andme would have picked it up already. My expectations for DF27 is because when i did 23andme around 2010 or 2011 they didn't test for DF27 at the time. Only people on later chips could come up DF27. I think later 23andme corrected it, but i'm still not sure.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

No and who is Morley? I doubt i'll be L21, if i was 23andme would have picked it up already. My expectations for DF27 is because when i did 23andme around 2010 or 2011 they didn't test for DF27 at the time. Only people on later chips could come up DF27. I think later 23andme corrected it, but i'm still not sure.

Morley is a website where you can upload your raw data for free and it will predict your Y-DNA. Most of times accurately. Honestly if you got P312 you can be anything under the haplotree as you posted previously, you will only be sure when you test it.

[jingorex]

its important for a man to know who his fathers are.

[Morena]

Why is finding the subcaldes important for the average person? I can understand research purposes, but what does a hobbyist gain?


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[Damião de Góis]

Morley is a website where you can upload your raw data for free and it will predict your Y-DNA. Most of times accurately. Honestly if you got P312 you can be anything under the haplotree as you posted previously, you will only be sure when you test it.

I tried uploading to Morley but it can't read my file. Seems like it was made for FTDNA.



Why is finding the subcaldes important for the average person? I can understand research purposes, but what does a hobbyist gain?


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Because knowing you are R1b is too broad and not very useful. Different regions of Europe have different subclades.
Same goes for other haplogroups.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I tried uploading to Morley but it can't read my file. Seems like it was made for FTDNA.


Unzip your raw data first and try uploading it. It should read 23andMe raw data (it did mine) but I am not sure if it will with V2.

[Damião de Góis]

Unzip your raw data first and try uploading it. It should read 23andMe raw data (it did mine) but I am not sure if it will with V2.

I had to choose FTDNA format for it to work, so i'm not sure how accurate these results are:

Experimental tree

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2eyjthy.jpg


ISOGG tree

http://oi63.tinypic.com/24o0v88.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I had to choose FTDNA format for it to work, so i'm not sure how accurate these results are:

Experimental tree

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2eyjthy.jpg


ISOGG tree

http://oi63.tinypic.com/24o0v88.jpg


They seem accurate, they gave you what you already knew (P312). So basically it didn't help you that much, you will need to do a test to find out more.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Btw it gave you negative for L21 and U152 so there's a chance you're not one of these branches.

[MagnusDark]

Why is finding the subcaldes important for the average person? I can understand research purposes, but what does a hobbyist gain?


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It’s true YDNA is not as important as the value placed upon it. Nor does it indicate actual ancestry but only the ancestors of one direct ancestor at a far point in time. The reason discovering the particular clade is important to people is because it can help with deciphering ancestry of the most recent ancestor on the paternal line. This is why full genomes tests are becoming more popular. What they can gain aside from the research is a more grounded telling of their origins which is important if facts Trump oral histories.

[Morena]

It’s true YDNA is not as important as the value placed upon it. Nor does it indicate actual ancestry but only the ancestors of one direct ancestor at a far point in time. The reason discovering the particular clade is important to people is because it can help with deciphering ancestry of the most recent ancestor on the paternal line. This is why full genomes tests are becoming more popular. What they can gain aside from the research is a more grounded telling of their origins which is important if facts Trump oral histories.

Thanks. That is a good answer. I wondered since the clades that people are more detailed than just a general subclade (for example: R1b-L12), which I can understand wanting to know. Funny enough, women don't seem to be that interested in learning their exact M haplogroup.

[Borealis]

I fucking refuse to spend money on that shit.

[Bellbeaking]

Dark pigmented trolloid - im going to ban you again bobby

[Dorian]

Thanks. That is a good answer. I wondered since the clades that people are more detailed than just a general subclade (for example: R1b-L12), which I can understand wanting to know. Funny enough, women don't seem to be that interested in learning their exact M haplogroup.

It's patriarchy stronk,the surname of DNA..either your line was cucked or If it was original marker of your people it's the others who got cucked, even If the rest is 99,99% foreign.

[Dna8]

I hear this a lot, my response is simple. You only live once.

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Perfect response.

[Bellbeaking]

lamenting was a terrible choice of word bobby. That meant to regret something, not to ponder upon something.

you could also use the word 'meditating'

i.e. those meditating/pondering upon whether or not to get a..

[Dna8]

lamenting was a terrible choice of word bobby. That meant to regret something, not to ponder upon something.

you could also use the word 'meditating'

i.e. those meditating/pondering upon whether or not to get a..

I imagine a psyche/reader for whom determining whether or not to take a Y Dna test, is an intense and, at times, discomfiting experience, but one, ultimately, tantamount to ecstasy.

In this mode, for, me,


lamenting works.

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[Ayetooey]

lamenting was a terrible choice of word bobby. That meant to regret something, not to ponder upon something.

you could also use the word 'meditating'

i.e. those meditating/pondering upon whether or not to get a..

You only Bobby here is you. You Sicilian lardass.

[The Lawspeaker]

There is a good reason not to: do you really want private companies or the State to have access to your DNA ?

[Crimean]

There is a good reason not to: do you really want private companies or the State to have access to your DNA ?
This disease begins with installing Linux on a home PC and using only cash. Fear of sharing your DNA is just one of the symptoms;).
I am myself partially ill, if that).

[The Lawspeaker]

This disease begins with installing Linux on a home PC and using only cash. Fear of sharing your DNA is just one of the symptoms;).
I am myself partially ill, if that).

Funny. I do both ! I trust the State about as much as someone living under the commie regime would have: not at all.

[Bellbeaking]

You only Bobby here is you. You Sicilian lardass.

You will lament such slanderous insults

[Crimean]

Funny. I do both ! I trust the State about as much as someone living under the commie regime would have: not at all.
Same. A good state is a state that minimally intervenes in the affairs of the population.
Then why do we throw poops into each other because of the past (which cannot be changed anymore), if at present we have similar political views? The only difference is the way we came to these conclusions.

[Carpatz]

Let's crowdfund a test for Pribivlach

[The Lawspeaker]

Same. A good state is a state that minimally intervenes in the affairs of the population.
Then why do we throw poops into each other because of the past (which cannot be changed anymore), if at present we have similar political views? The only difference is the way we came to these conclusions.

I have a real ingrained hatred against any form of socialism. Having been raised at the end of the Cold War, I remember vividly what kind of threat the Soviets posed (ooh. we were raised with that here !) and what kind of smouldering crater the reds left in Eastern Europe and I have no wish to see that repeated here.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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Try this, it works for 23andme data and it predicted subclade accurately for me.

https://www.wegene.com/en/

[Ford]

Try this, it works for 23andme data and it predicted subclade accurately for me.

https://www.wegene.com/en/

It predicts correctly most of the time, but it was not correct for me.

[Crimean]

I have a real ingrained hatred against any form of socialism. Having been raised at the end of the Cold War, I remember vividly what kind of threat the Soviets posed (ooh. we were raised with that here !) and what kind of smouldering crater the reds left in Eastern Europe and I have no wish to see that repeated here.
One smart man said that after the 1st and 2nd World War (and the 0th, which began in 1850-60), this civilization could not be saved, because the moral foundations of society were irreversibly undermined.
All these * isms are the product of these wars. Saying that one * ism is better than the other - this is the choice of the smallest of two evils.

[The Lawspeaker]

One intelligent man said that after the 1st and 2nd World War (and the 0th, which began in 1850-60), this civilization could not be saved, because the moral foundations of society were irreversibly undermined.
All these * isms are the product of these wars. Saying that one * ism is better than the other - this is the choice of the smallest of two evils.
I guess that one -ism.. at least offered us democracy. Gotta hand the -ism that one.

[Crimean]

I guess that one -ism.. at least offered us democracy. Gotta hand the -ism that one.
Rather, on the contrary, all these * isms are created to gradually deprive a person of his rights and property. True democracy is self-government.

[The Lawspeaker]

Rather, on the contrary, all these * isms are created to gradually deprive a person of his rights and property. True democracy is self-government.

What we have now may be antiquated but it sure beats what we had before. I mean in the case of the Eastern Europe, first they had the Czar and then they had that lot. Nothing really changes.

[Crimean]

What we have now may be antiquated but it sure beats what we had before. I mean in the case of the Eastern Europe, first they had the Czar and then they had that lot. Nothing really changes.
It's hard to say how it really was.
In general, I am skeptical about official history (especially until the mid-19th century), since history is always written in the interests of the current ruling class. Too many inconsistencies in the official history.
Maybe 500 years ago it was the norm for some people to have the skills of Gandalf. Why not? There is no evidence or denial. All these fairy tales are not invented out of nothing?)))

[The Lawspeaker]

It's hard to say how it really was.
In general, I am skeptical about official history (especially until the mid-19th century), since history is always written in the interests of the current ruling class. Too many inconsistencies in the official history.
Maybe 500 years ago it was the norm for some people to have the skills of Gandalf. Why not? There is no evidence or denial. All these fairy tales are not invented out of nothing?)))
Maybe. But I like to base myself on what is found in archives.. as well as in the soil.

[Crimean]

Maybe. But I like to base myself on what is found in archives.. as well as in the soil.
I don’t know how it is in the Netherlands, but in Russia in many places it is forbidden to conduct archaeological excavations.
Recently in Moscow, builders were digging a foundation pit and found the walls of a bizarre building (by the way, why did it turn out to be underground? Just don’t need to talk about the "cultural layer").
The construction was immediately stopped, some serious people arrived, they talked and this pitcher was buried the same day. And silence).

[The Lawspeaker]

I don’t know how it is in the Netherlands, but in Russia in many places it is forbidden to conduct archaeological excavations.
Recently in Moscow, builders were digging a foundation pit and found the walls of a bizarre building (by the way, why did it turn out to be underground? Just don’t need to talk about the "cultural layer").
The construction was immediately stopped, some serious people arrived, they talked and this pitcher was buried the same day. And silence).
Not here. Digs actually tend to make into the papers too (particularly when interesting things are found) and whenever a building is constructed, there first needs to be an excavation of some sort.

[Damião de Góis]

Try this, it works for 23andme data and it predicted subclade accurately for me.

https://www.wegene.com/en/

Thanks but it doesn't accept my raw data, maybe because i'm on V2. It also gives me messages in chinese :icon_ask:

[GreentheViper]

You send me money via PayPal and then I do it, ok?

[Ratmir]

I think all companies need to follow the example of 23andme and provide at least some information on the customer’s haplogroup(s).