Classify Ukrainian singer

[ModernMaskil]

Nastya Kamenskih. Purportedly half Jewish. Certainly doesn't look typical Ukrainian.

http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Nastya-Kamenskih.jpg

https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/4700576/740full-nastja-kamenskih.jpg

http://ayresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/0dc396705fde2cf62a0f84b080cf0976.jpg

http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Nastya-Kamenskih-3.jpg

http://max-pix.com/data/media/1764/65896.jpg

[ModernMaskil]

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[Bakha]

I doubt she is full ukranian
Her father is Aleksey Josefovich Zhmur, he might be jewish
Anyways, she is mediterranean alpine

[ModernMaskil]

I doubt she is full ukranian
Her father is Aleksey Josefovich Zhmur, he might be jewish
Anyways, she is mediterranean alpine

Yeah, me too. As I said a few sites say her father is Jewish, don't know if it's true or not.

[Dominator]

Pontid
https://fakty.ua/11328-nastya-kamenskih-moi-roditeli-hoteli-chtoby-ya-snyalas-v-otkrovennoj-fotosessii
Mom says that I have Aryan blood in me, but wherever I go, they take me everywhere for their own: in Italy they consider it Italian, in Israel it is Jewish, in Spain they think I am Spanish. By the way, very convenient.

[leonj]

Pontic Mediterranean

[FinalFlash]

I doubt she is full ukranian
Her father is Aleksey Josefovich Zhmur, he might be jewish
Anyways, she is mediterranean alpine

Josefovich.....obviously a Jew.

[Lemgrant]

Yeah, me too. As I said a few sites say her father is Jewish, don't know if it's true or not.

Here is photo of her father:
https://i.imgur.com/Rqcue5j.png

His name and surname doesn't indicate that he is Jewish. Only his father's name which is Josef. If we assume that his father was Jewish then she is 1/4 Jewish or 1/8 if Josef's father or mother was Ukrainian or Russian.

[ModernMaskil]

Josefovich.....obviously a Jew.

Oh, I ignored that and only looked at Aleksey Zhmur haha. Yes, essentially any European with a variation of "son of [insert biblical name] is Jewish. Jakobson, Josefovich, Abramovich, etc. Confirmed.

[ModernMaskil]

Here is photo of her father:
https://i.imgur.com/Rqcue5j.png

His name and surname doesn't indicate that he is Jewish. Only his father's name which is Josef. If we assume that his father was Jewish then she is 1/4 Jewish or 1/8 if Josef's father or mother was Ukrainian or Russian.

He looks perfectly Ashkenazi. His middle name is Josefovich but that is more likely to just be a family name, the patronymic system was not common by the 20th century among Jews. Likely his mother was Jewish too.

EDIT: Also the how the hell did you get a hold of that haha

[FinalFlash]

Oh, I ignored that and only looked at Aleksey Zhmur haha. Yes, essentially any European with a variation of "son of [insert biblical name] is Jewish. Jakobson, Josefovich, Abramovich, etc. Confirmed.

No ethnic Ruski or Ukrainian has such names.

[Lemgrant]

Oh, I ignored that and only looked at Aleksey Zhmur haha. Yes, essentially any European with a variation of "son of [insert biblical name] is Jewish. Jakobson, Josefovich, Abramovich, etc. Confirmed.

I have 2 such surnames/names in my genealogy tree.

[Dominator]

No ethnic Ruski or Ukrainian has such names.

my ancestors had typical biblical names ... we are not Jews.

[ModernMaskil]

my ancestors had typical biblical names ... we are not Jews.

Depends on the name. Not all biblical names are Jewish but those above will be 99% of the time.

[ModernMaskil]

I have 2 such surnames/names in my genealogy tree.

Then it is very likely they were Jews. Unless the names were not those exactly but other biblical ones in which case it's depends. You'd to have to tell me the name.

[Lemgrant]

Then it is very likely they were Jews. Unless the names were not those exactly but other biblical ones in which case it's depends. You'd to have to tell me the name.

Mark(ovich) and Yakov(enko)

[FinalFlash]

my ancestors had typical biblical names ... we are not Jews.

What typical biblical names if you don't mind? Every Ukie or Ruski I've ever met or seen with such surnames always ended up being Jews(at least partially).

[ModernMaskil]

Mark(ovich) and Yakov(enko)

Markovich is likely not. That is biblical in the Christian sense. The name Marcus is Greco-Roman in origin and I believe Mark the Evangelist himself was a Greek rather than Judean.
Yakovenko on the other hand could very, very well be. I'm not sure what the suffix -Enko means but Yakov is mostly found among Jews. Usually Europeans are Jakub or Jakob, and even then the name is not particularly common.

[Dominator]

What typical biblical names if you don't mind? Every Ukie or Ruski I've ever met or seen with such surnames always ended up being Jews(at least partially).

The name Joseph as well as other biblical names are quite common among Eastern Europeans (for example, Stalin)

[Roy]

East Med.

[ModernMaskil]

The name Joseph as well as other biblical names are quite common among Eastern Europeans (for example, Stalin)

That is a first name. We're talking about surnames. Regardless, he was given the name "Ioseb" which is obviously not the Jewish spelling.

[Lemgrant]

Markovich is likely not. That is biblical in the Christian sense. The name Marcus is Greco-Roman in origin and I believe Mark the Evangelist himself was a Greek rather than Judean.
Yakovenko on the other hand could very, very well be. I'm not sure what the suffix -Enko means but Yakov is mostly found among Jews. Usually Europeans are Jakub or Jakob, and even then the name is not particularly common.

enko is Ukrainian version of son. It means son of Yakov

[FinalFlash]

The name Joseph as well as other biblical names are quite common among Eastern Europeans (for example, Stalin)

Stalin was not an ethnic Russian. He was Georgian(possibly even part Jewish like the majority of the leaders of the original Bolshevik uprising. Also, the name "Yakov" is the Hebrew version of the name Jacob or Hakob. I've yet to meet a Rus Ivan with such a name or surname that doesn't have a Jewish ancestor I guess.

[Voskos]

Looks like a mix of eveything .

[ModernMaskil]

Stalin was not an ethnic Russian. He was Georgian(possibly even part Jewish like the majority of the leaders of the original Bolshevik uprising. Also, the name "Yakov" is the Hebrew version of the name Jacob or Hakob. I've yet to meet a Rus Ivan with such a name or surname that doesn't have a Jewish ancestor I guess.

There's no reason to believe Stalin was part Jewish.

[Dominator]

Stalin was not an ethnic Russian. He was Georgian(possibly even part Jewish like the majority of the leaders of the original Bolshevik uprising. Also, the name "Yakov" is the Hebrew version of the name Jacob or Hakob. I've yet to meet a Rus Ivan with such a name or surname that doesn't have a Jewish ancestor I guess.

I talked about Eastern Europeans (USSR as a whole)
We are not talking about Russky in this thread, this singer and his family from ukr
the name of Joseph, present among ukrainian..Surname Zhmur - Ukrainian
I can assume that she may have Jewish roots .. but the argument is not enough

https://styler.rbc.ua/static/ckef/img/31878214_2029532417374249_5784785373880123392_n.jp g
https://styler.rbc.ua/rus/zhizn/tsel-sozdavat-problemy-rf-zhirinovskiy-prizval-1526580430.html

[FinalFlash]

I talked about Eastern Europeans (USSR as a whole)
We are not talking about Russky in this thread, this singer and his family from ukr
the name of Joseph, present among ukrainian..Surname Zhmur - Ukrainian
I can assume that she may have Jewish roots .. but the argument is not enough

https://styler.rbc.ua/static/ckef/img/31878214_2029532417374249_5784785373880123392_n.jp g
https://styler.rbc.ua/rus/zhizn/tsel-sozdavat-problemy-rf-zhirinovskiy-prizval-1526580430.html

I understand. But I'm talking about people from Ukraine and Russia(this singer is Ukrainian). It's a very logical assumption you gotta admit.

[simple user]

Dark Balto-Slav. Looks quite typical for Balto-Slavic girl.

[simple user]

Compare with another Dark Balto-Slavic girl, she is Russian.
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-pdb/1058492/79a5311c-72c7-4b05-b8a1-cfd0ab6730d0/s1200?webp=false
https://f10.pmo.ee/hDGkTlA4el4e3VVJuuwhwylf0Bo=/1200x630/smart/nginx/o/2012/09/29/1345794t1h245c.jpg

[Not a Cop]

Markovich is likely not. That is biblical in the Christian sense. The name Marcus is Greco-Roman in origin and I believe Mark the Evangelist himself was a Greek rather than Judean.
Yakovenko on the other hand could very, very well be. I'm not sure what the suffix -Enko means but Yakov is mostly found among Jews. Usually Europeans are Jakub or Jakob, and even then the name is not particularly common.

Well it's always tricky, popularity of names change with time, i know a guy Abran Iosifovich and he's Bearussian with no known Jewish ancestry, just a chirstian name.

[Pizdastratos]

His middle name is Josefovich
It's not a middle name, Josefovich is a patronym

but that is more likely to just be a family name, the patronymic system was not common by the 20th century among Jews.
You're saying her father lived in 19th century? :eek:

[Pizdastratos]

Stalin was not an ethnic Russian. He was Georgian(possibly even part Jewish like the majority of the leaders of the original Bolshevik uprising. Also, the name "Yakov" is the Hebrew version of the name Jacob or Hakob. I've yet to meet a Rus Ivan with such a name or surname that doesn't have a Jewish ancestor I guess.
Ivan is Russian version of just another Jewish name :D


There's no reason to believe Stalin was part Jewish.
His real second name was JEWgashvili :D

[Lemgrant]

Ivan is Russian version of just another Jewish name :D


Yes, it comes from Hebrew Yohannah which means 'God is gracious'. The Greek equivalent is Ioannis or Ioannes, shortened to Yannis.

[Cumansky]

Nastya Kamenskih. Purportedly half Jewish. Certainly doesn't look typical Ukrainian.

http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Nastya-Kamenskih.jpg

https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/4700576/740full-nastja-kamenskih.jpg

http://ayresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/0dc396705fde2cf62a0f84b080cf0976.jpg

http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Nastya-Kamenskih-3.jpg

http://max-pix.com/data/media/1764/65896.jpg

Ukrainka 10/10

Odessa wife tours..

[ModernMaskil]

It's not a middle name, Josefovich is a patronym

You're saying her father lived in 19th century? :eek:

No. It was abandoned around the 16th or 17th century when the Russian Empire changed laws in regards to surnames. If someone's middle name or surname was Josefovich in the 20th century it was because one of their ancestors a few centuries back was called Josef, not because their father was.

[Lemgrant]

His real second name was JEWgashvili :D
as for Stalin Jugha-shvili...it is possible. Jugha may come from Jughud which is a Persian term for Jew.

BUKHARA

vii. Bukharan Jews

“Bukharan Jews” is the common appellation for the Jews of Central Asia whose native language is the Jewish dialect of Tajik. It was first adopted by Russian travelers to Central Asia in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, then, apparently independently, by early 19th-century British and Indian travelers. Members of the group call themselves [Y]Isroʾel (refined style) or Yahūdī (official/neutral style); the latter term was also applied to them in official Persian (Tajik) and Chaghatay (Čaḡatāy, Uzbek) terminology before the Russian conquest of Central Asia. Despite a ban since the mid-1920s, a pejorative derivative ju[h]ud/jut (from johūd) is current and has become so common that Jews themselves use it. In the official and semiofficial Russian ethnographic nomenclature of the late 1920s and 1930s the term tuzemnye Evrei “indigenous Jews” (of Central Asia) was used. In the same period Uzbek and Tajik had the euphemistic mayda-millat (member of a national [ethnic] minority).
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/bukhara-vii

[Veles]

Stalin was not an ethnic Russian. He was Georgian(possibly even part Jewish like the majority of the leaders of the original Bolshevik uprising. Also, the name "Yakov" is the Hebrew version of the name Jacob or Hakob. I've yet to meet a Rus Ivan with such a name or surname that doesn't have a Jewish ancestor I guess.
Stalin was not a Jew. All great people today are called Jews, even Hitler. These are myths. This singer looks 100% Ukrainian, but I heard somewhere that she is a little Jewish.

[Pizdastratos]

If someone's middle name or surname was Josefovich in the 20th century it was because one of their ancestors a few centuries back was called Josef, not because their father was.
Don't talk nonsense.
Go check the biographies of some cultural and public figures of 20th century, such as Mandelstam, Pasternak, Marshak, Trotsky etc. They all had patronymic names based on names of their fathers

[ModernMaskil]

Don't talk nonsense.
Go check the biographies of some cultural and public figures of 20th century, such as Mandelstam, Pasternak, Marshak, Trotsky etc. They all had patronymic names based on names of their fathers

Perhaps a select few kept the tradition going but as far as I can tell it was in practice a middle name. Legally their surnames were Mandelstam, Pasternak, Marshak and Trotsky and these are the names their descendants hold today rather than a patronymic or matronymic one even as a middle name which most abandoned altogether.

[Bakha]

Here is photo of her father:
https://i.imgur.com/Rqcue5j.png

His name and surname doesn't indicate that he is Jewish. Only his father's name which is Josef. If we assume that his father was Jewish then she is 1/4 Jewish or 1/8 if Josef's father or mother was Ukrainian or Russian.

actually he looks russian jewish