Serbian - Dacian - Bulgarian connection (another evidence)

[Bosniensis]

In 100 A.D. I2a1b people of modern Serbia were mostly located in Dacia and Serbia as shown on this map, and by 300 A.D
they were fully stationed in Serbia, Bosnia. Origin of I2a1b was Initially Northern Italy then they migrated as presented on this map:

https://i.imgur.com/booQsK5.jpg

We know that modern Bulgarians, Serbians and Romanians plot close to Each other (through Gedmatch) that further confirms the theory presented by I2a1b
migration calculator

However there is an Important Historical Event that confirms 1. Migration Theory and 2. Autosomal Similarity even further

The important event is noted in 250 A.D. where Populace of Upper and Lower Moesia (Serbia) has elected themselves an Emperor
who was Dacian (at exact period when I2a1b was dominant in between Serbia and Romania)

The Narration Goes this way:

In the context of the military crisis in the Roman Empire in the Lower Danube Area where free Geto-Dacians continued to fight Roman Empire,
The General of Geto-Dacian origins named Regalianus was proclaimed Emperor by the legions of Moesia and Pannonia (Western Balkans)

This is what "Historia Augusta" says about this Commander:

"Regalianus, had a military post in Illiria and he was made Emperor. The authors of this act were inhabitants of Moesia" (Serbia)

About him Historical records state the following:

"Regalianus was always skilled in military business and thus spotted by Galienus even from some time before because he seemed
to be worthy of being a ruler. It is said that he is of Dacian origin, even being related to Decebal himself"

So...

1. We have I2a1b historical migration predictor that states that between 100 A.D. and 300 A.D. that haplogroup was located in between
Romania and Serbia

2. We have Autosomal connection between Romanians, Serbians and Bulgarians

3. We have a narration were in 250 A.D. citizens of Serbia have appointed Regalianus (Dacian) to be their Emperor
(they elected someone of their own Kin of course)


Everything fits in...

Modern Serbian people are noone else but Dacian, Thracian people of late Roman Empire, that were Romanized while
those who fought and resisted the empire spoke Balto-Slavic languages like in the times of Decebal.

Further Sources


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqLpjOVLRtY

[Cumansky]

"This is a list of ancient Dacian towns and fortresses from all the territories once inhabited by Dacians, Getae and Moesi. The large majority of them are located in the traditional territory of the Dacian Kingdom at the time of Burebista. This area includes the present-day countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as parts of mostly southern and eastern Ukraine, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary, as well as ancient Moesia (Eastern Serbia, Northern Bulgaria). However some isolated settlements are located in Dalmatia (modern Albania and Croatia) as is the case of Thermidava, or in Dardania (Kosovo) as is Quemedava."

[Ayetooey]

Tagged. I will comment on this tomorrow.

[Ayetooey]

"This is a list of ancient Dacian towns and fortresses from all the territories once inhabited by Dacians, Getae and Moesi. The large majority of them are located in the traditional territory of the Dacian Kingdom at the time of Burebista. This area includes the present-day countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as parts of mostly southern and eastern Ukraine, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary, as well as ancient Moesia (Eastern Serbia, Northern Bulgaria). However some isolated settlements are located in Dalmatia (modern Albania and Croatia) as is the case of Thermidava, or in Dardania (Kosovo) as is Quemedava."
It is often forgotten Dacia stretched as north as Southern Poland in ancient times, the boundaries being the Vistula and Oder rivers.

[Bosniensis]

It is often forgotten Dacia stretched as north as Southern Poland in ancient times, the boundaries being the Vistula and Oder rivers.

That is Correct even Herodotus draw such map:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROxtG05mfvnL_MGMQ6Nmd172EhR7TMU Y7m4OTW4pmkRcj3youf

[Insuperable]

Doctor Bosniensis has spoken.

[Ayetooey]

That is Correct even Herodotus draw such map:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROxtG05mfvnL_MGMQ6Nmd172EhR7TMU Y7m4OTW4pmkRcj3youf

Based off the migration map i2 was in southern Poland between 700BC-200BC, and always below the Vistula and Oder rivers. Both Dacian and Celtic cultures were present during those times. Slavic ethnogenesis was later on in 200AD, and our line was in Romania by 100AD. I need to find some more maps.

[North Sea]

That is Correct even Herodotus draw such map:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROxtG05mfvnL_MGMQ6Nmd172EhR7TMU Y7m4OTW4pmkRcj3youf

Thracians never held such lands.

[Cumansky]

Thracians never held such lands.

This still our lands now, or North Sea mens would have jurisdiction in this region now and they don't..

I would add Crimea in the map

[Cumansky]

I got recent match here MyHeritage, this person Albanian?

87.4% Greek
6.8% Iberian
5.8% Italian

[Dick]

Nice thread Gedza. Thracians dacians and illyrians were definitely Proto slavs

[Voskos]

If you say so Miralem.

[North Sea]

This still our lands now, or North Sea mens would have jurisdiction in this region now and they don't..

I would add Crimea in the map

I am just saying. That's a fantasy map. Thracians were never that widespread. Proto Thracians inhabited modern Ukraine before they were pushed out by the Proto / Balto Slavs and into modern Bulgaria/Romania during the Bronze Age. Proto Thracians probably formed possibly from Indo Iranian also. That Bronze Age found in Bulgaria had an R1a Indo Iranian marker for example.

[Cumansky]

I am just saying. That's a fantasy map. Thracians were never that widespread. Proto Thracians inhabited modern Ukraine before they were pushed out by the Proto / Balto Slavs and into modern Bulgaria/Romania during the Bronze Age. Proto Thracians probably formed possibly from Indo Iranian also. That Bronze Age found in Bulgaria had an R1a Indo Iranian marker for example.

How can they be pushed out by early Balto Slavic people? When they are elites in the region..

[MagnusDark]

How can they be pushed out by early Balto Slavic people? When they are elites in the region..

I think he means in the early Middle Ages. There were still some pockets of Thracians. Dacians probably endured the longest, yet they crumbled prior to the migration event. I know all details about it are hazy but there is truth in it. According to popular opinion the Proto-Thracians and Proto-Dacians have a common origin with Proto-Balto-Slavs. This is not the same as saying the Slavs are Thracians and Dacians. Context is everything and it’s quite dangerous. It only has political dogma attached to it. Nothing more.

Proto-Thracians were most definitely R1a. More specifically Z93. Did more varieties of R1a or I2a exist? Potentially. It’s not the same thing though. Proto Balto Slavs were the northernmost neighbors/cousins of Proto Thracians and Proto Dacians. The latter two represent an earlier split from the source populations that Proto Balto Slavs also descend. The difference is Proto Thracians and Proto Dacians brought clades that are most probably extinct now. The clades of I2a and R1a that arrived with the Slavic migration are the result of their distant related kin from further north migrating south. So even though the clades are distantly related they do not represent the same founders/cultures/migrations. This is why clades are important.

Personally I think I2a in the Balkans and R1a are descended from the Proto Slavs. Perhaps in some part the free Dacians fleeing north of the Danube brought some R1a and I2a din with them mixing with Germanics, Scythian and Sarmatians forming the Sklavenoi that later descended on the empire. Ultimately, regardless if R1a and I2a came in some part from Dacians, the survivors fleeing north later expanded out with the Slavic migration. So it was still spread at that time. Cultures are constantly evolving from combinations of old people’s.

The Illyrians are not related to Thracians or Dacians. Most scholars seem to think the Illyrians were Centum. Additionally their remains carried J2b, E-V13, R1b which prevail among Albanians, Greeks, Montenegrins and Bulgarians. If there is one I2a/R1a in the Balkans could be connected to it would only be with the surviving free Dacians fleeing north of the Danube. And to reiterate, it still wouldn’t change that the demographic boom these clades experienced is from the Slavic Migrations. Sklavenoi May have been the very title used by the Byzantines that collectively formed the Slavs of the Middle Ages. Then it would be Church Slavonic from the south spreading the the rest of the Slavic world. Some Slavs think the terms meaning comes from Sloveni or to understand. Others argue Slav/Sklavenoi has no relation to the meaning of Sloveni.

Imagine if all of Slavdom collapsed and the only surviving Slavic dialect to expand out again is Bulgarian. This is exactly what happened with Illyrians, with one mountain tribe becoming the Proto-Albanians and the rest falling to Romanization or extermination via Cesar. Proto-Slavs may well be an undocumented but related tribE to Dacians that differentiated themselves from mixing further north.