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Jana

01-08-2022, 01:53 PM

He is mostly from Masovia (around Płock) based on his recent genealogy thread here:

https://slawomirambroziak.pl/forum/index.php?topic=5345.0

And I tested (autosomal + Y-DNA) my maternal grandpa's brother with this surname.

He turned out to be autosomally more eastern-shifted, and Y-DNA is R1a. Surprising?

Here his coordinates if you want to check (there is some southern admixture as well):

Wladyslaw_Meller_scaled,0.124067,0.125926,0.069767 ,0.059755,0.040007,0.023427,0.00893,0.009,0.007158 ,-0.024602,-0.003735,-0.006444,0.013082,0.017203,-0.012622,0.006099,-0.001434,-0.000633,0.004148,0.013006,-0.002496,-0.005564,0.008134,0.004699,-0.005149

^^^
Check him with your model, I'm curious (probably will be high amount of Greco-Roman).

Actually he scores significant Germanic for an ethnic Pole (like you)

Target: Wladyslaw_Meller_scaled
Distance: 1.6060% / 0.01606007

71.4 (Balto-)Slavic
23.8 Germanic
2.4 Graeco-Roman
1.2 Finnic_like
1.0 Balkan
0.2 Celtic

Many Germans have Slavic clades of R1a. Your own y-dna is some exotic type of R1b and your paternal line is ethnic Polish.

Leto

01-08-2022, 01:53 PM

That is not an Anglo-Irish proverb, it is a quote by the Irish nationalist MP Daniel O'Connell, referring to the Duke of Wellington (the British national hero) and his supposed Irishness, which was evidently taken for granted in Britain.

https://www.irishphilosophy.com/2018/08/06/oconnell-wellington/

I don't know about most Anglo-Irish re-emigrating to England after Independence, regardless, they were considered Irish in England, and the native Irish would never have been claimed as English just because they spoke it. This isn't Central Europe.
The Irish language still retains a symbolic status in Ireland, it's not completely lost. They still teach it and use on some occasions. It's also totally different from English, unlike for example some Italian, French and German minority dialects that still more closely resemble the standard idioms in their respective countries.

Peterski

01-08-2022, 01:55 PM

Your own y-dna is some exotic type of R1b and your patenral line is ethnic Polish.

My type of R1b has been found in ancient samples of Hallstatt culture Celts recently.

mariusz99

01-08-2022, 02:00 PM

It looks like results other Poles are without Balkan or not near to 10%

Target: Mariusz_scaled
Distance: 1.3707% / 0.01370662
66.8 (Balto-)Slavic
18.6 Germanic
9.8 Balkan
3.2 Turkic
1.6 Finnic_like

Target: Mariusz_scaled
Distance: 1.5114% / 0.01511363 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.0 (Balto-)Slavic
25.0 Germanic

Jana

01-08-2022, 02:02 PM

My type of R1b has been found in ancient samples of Hallstatt culture Celts recently.

It's very rare among Poles and non Slavic obviously. I just mentioned because you were implying real Germans can't carry Balto-Slavic R1a.

Peterski

01-08-2022, 02:03 PM

Actually he scores significant Germanic for an ethnic Pole

Well in North Europe PCA he plots around the middle of the Polish cluster:

https://i.imgur.com/dFI92XF.png

Your model lumps together Baltic & Slavic. Maybe he has some real Baltic?

It is possible that he has some ancestors from East Prussia, but I didn't research it yet.

Peterski

01-08-2022, 02:11 PM

It's very rare among Poles and non Slavic obviously.

Actually 4 new ethnic Poles from Belarus joined the L617 Tree on YFull recently:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L617/ - Grodno Oblast, pol (Polish)

But they are not from the same sub-branch as me (as you can see there).

Sebbo

01-08-2022, 02:15 PM

Well in North Europe PCA he plots around the middle of the Polish cluster:

https://i.imgur.com/dFI92XF.png

Your model lumps together Baltic & Slavic. Maybe he has some real Baltic?

It is possible that he has some ancestors from East Prussia, but I didn't research it yet.

Tomenable, how much Baltic blood to German / Polish speakers from East Prussia have on average? Thanks very much.

Jana

01-08-2022, 02:39 PM

https://i.imgur.com/E5vHpNq.png

rothaer

01-08-2022, 02:50 PM

Rothaer just cannot stand that Sven told me that his mother is a Sorb, just like he could not stand (before that) that Kramkowski identifies as Polish (as he wrote on Anthrogenica).

Rothaer wants to be the master & ruler of other peoples' identity...)

What ethnicity someone is or is not is indeed not just a matter of self identification, but of a number of things. I can stand whatever statements, why not? But if a German says he indentifies as a Chinese he will not be a Chinese for me. And if someone that I thoroughly interviewed in November 2018 about the various ethnic characteristics of his mother and the known ancestry and all this turns out to be ethnic German (btw. including the self identification) and this individual later, after being "informed" by Peterska, claims his mother would be Sorb, I can not see that this changes the ethnicity of the mother.

Everybody can apply the defining characteristics of ethnicity, not just me. But this doesn't mean it can be done by self identification alone.

rothaer

01-08-2022, 02:55 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization

In 1920, after the staged mutiny of Lucjan Żeligowski, Lithuanian cultural activities in Polish controlled territories were limited and the closure of Lithuanian newspapers and the arrest of their editors occurred. 33 Lithuanian and Belarusian cultural activists were formally expelled from Vilnius on 23 January 1922 and deported to Lithuania. In 1927, as tensions between Lithuania and Poland increased, 48 additional Lithuanian schools were closed and another 11 Lithuanian activists were deported. Following Piłsudski's death in 1935, the Lithuanian minority in Poland again became an object of Polonization policies with greater intensity. 266 Lithuanian schools were closed after 1936 and almost all Lithuanian organizations were banned. Further Polonization ensued as the government encouraged settlement of Polish army veterans in the disputed regions. About 400 Lithuanian reading rooms and libraries were closed in Poland between 1936 and 1938. Following the 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania, Lithuania re-established diplomatic relations with Poland and efforts to Polonize Lithuanians living in Poland decreased somewhat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization#Lithuanian_lands

Poland was Imperialistic power, don't pretend otherwise.

No that must all be a misunderstanding!

Therefore, when asked about what to dislike most about one's own country, Peterska answered: It's neighbors.

Leto

01-08-2022, 03:53 PM

Jana

01-08-2022, 04:03 PM

I see the names of the German pops are still in English. Did you decide to leave them in English? Smitty was right saying that people unfamiliar with Germany won't know where Lower Saxony, Franconia, etc. are either.

No, we can change them into German. This is not final version, just provisional. Austrian averages aren't final either. And maybe some German too.
Will ask rothaer what he thinks about it.

Leto

01-08-2022, 04:20 PM

No, we can change them into German. This is not final version, just provisional. Austrian averages aren't final either. And maybe some German too.
Will ask rothaer what he thinks about it.
Good.
I wonder why other Germans are not participating. I don't know too many of them. The OP never posts here, Kyp is mixed and apparently doesn't care much about German/European genetics (he identifies more with Turco-Muslim culture than whites). Teutone never cared about Gedmatch either. Armatus? I don't know if he's still around.

Sebbo

01-08-2022, 06:02 PM

https://i.imgur.com/E5vHpNq.png

Is the PCA using G25? Can you tell me more about the Central East Prussia samples? Which localities are considered part of this sample. Thanks

Jana

01-08-2022, 06:44 PM

Good.
I wonder why other Germans are not participating. I don't know too many of them. The OP never posts here, Kyp is mixed and apparently doesn't care much about German/European genetics (he identifies more with Turco-Muslim culture than whites). Teutone never cared about Gedmatch either. Armatus? I don't know if he's still around.

Would be nice to have Aynoora back, she was lovely and very interested in genetics :)

Is the PCA using G25? Can you tell me more about the Central East Prussia samples? Which localities are considered part of this sample. Thanks

Euroogenes K13 PCA. Central East Prussia is from Braunsberg, she plots like extreme NW German with Baltic (old Prussian) admixture.

Target: German_East_Prussia_Central
Distance: 3.0671% / 3.06710522 | R2P

68.7 German_Frisian
31.3 Latvian

Jana

01-08-2022, 07:30 PM

And apparently you are also using a sample of a Klaipeda Region Lithuanian as a German.

Because they are ethnic Lithuanians - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Lithuanians

Missed this. Stop trolling.

A Lithuanian census carried out in the region in 1925 found its total population was 141,000. Declared language was used to classify the inhabitants, and on this basis 43.5 percent were German, 27.6 percent were Lithuanian, and 25.2 percent were "Klaipėdan" (Memelländisch).

The inhabitants of the area were not given a choice on the ballot whether they wanted to be part of the Lithuanian state or part of Germany. Since the pro-German political parties had an overall majority of more than 80% in all elections to the local parliament (see election statistics below) in the interwar period, there can be little doubt that such a referendum would have been in favour of Germany. In fact, the area had been united since the monastic state of the 13th century, and even many Lithuanian-speakers, regarding themselves as East Prussians, declared themselves as "Memellanders/Klaipėdiškiai" in the official census (see below for demographic information) and did not want to belong to a Lithuanian national state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaip%C4%97da_Region

Leto

01-08-2022, 07:38 PM

Would be nice to have Aynoora back, she was lovely and very interested in genetics :)

Yeah and she's very Germanic, although doesn't look like Judith Rakers (https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/6579040/683full-judith-rakers.jpg).

Jana

01-08-2022, 08:43 PM

Yeah and she's very Germanic, although doesn't look like Judith Rakers (https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/6579040/683full-judith-rakers.jpg).

Many Germans don't look like that at all. I really have no idea why people think dark natives are a odd occurence there. I've been there recently and they aren't overly blond.

Leto

01-08-2022, 09:40 PM

Many Germans don't look like that at all. I really have no idea why people think dark natives are a odd occurence there. I've been there recently and they aren't overly blond.
I know. Germans are very diverse. Even politicians for example (obvious minorities are easy to exclude and Jews are pretty rare in modern Germany).

Jana

01-08-2022, 09:45 PM

I know. Germans are very diverse. Even politicians for example (obvious minorities are easy to exclude and Jews are pretty rare in modern Germany).

BTW I ran Aynora against new averages:

Distance to: aynora(German)

2.15522621 German_Westphalia
2.20873267 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.27533204 Dutch
3.67398966 English_Southeast
3.74225868 Dutch_Central
3.88423738 English_Midlands
4.00374824 English
4.26929737 English_North
4.39161701 German_Lower_Saxony_North
4.58531351 Dutch_North

Extremely tight fit to Westphalian average which has considerable sample size.

Peterski

01-08-2022, 09:57 PM

But if a German says he indentifies as a Chinese he will not be a Chinese for me.

If his autosomal DNA results are 100% Chinese but his Muttersprache since 4 generations is German, then he is German for you?

Because language determines? Millions of German-speaking (as Muttersprache) Turks in Germany must also be Germans then.

BTW how did you determine that your Memelland sample is a German, not a Prussian Lithuanian or a "Memellander" ???

BTW since you collect kits based on 4 grandparents / 8 great-grandparents, you should look at ethnicity of these grandparents.

Prussian Lithuanians 200 years ago or even 150 years ago were still not Germanized, evidence can be found in censuses. So even if a Memellander today is ethnic German, his great-grandparents - born before Germanization of the region - were ethnic Lithuanians.

rothaer

01-08-2022, 10:45 PM

If his autosomal DNA results are 100% Chinese but his Muttersprache since 4 generations is German, then he is German for you?

No. Because this is not the common way how the German people evolved.

Because language determines? Millions of German-speaking (as Muttersprache) Turks in Germany must also be Germans then.

No, not only language determines. But among the Germans and the neighboring people language determines if you evalute history and common views.

BTW how did you determine that your Memelland sample is a German, not a Prussian Lithuanian or a "Memellander" ???

Right now I can not say something about that kit. But if I did assess that kit I did it by experiencing this individual as an ethnic German. It's about the ethnicity of the testee.

BTW since you collect kits based on 4 grandparents / 8 great-grandparents, you should look at ethnicity of these grandparents.

Based on 4 gp. Yes, but non-German ethnicities among them are only relevant if they are outside the common devlopment of the German people in the region in question. Because these Germans are exactly what is intended to assess.

Prussian Lithuanians 200 years ago or even 150 years ago were still not Germanized, evidence can be found in censuses. So even if a Memellander today is ethnic German, his great-grandparents - born before Germanization of the region - were ethnic Lithuanians.

Yes. But that would not make the German testee unsuitable as a reference for the region were he is from.

After there will never be an end with discussions with you, I'll now also deal with other things than Peterska and I thank for your understanding. :thumb001: I've already told you essentially all these things over the years in emails so there is no visible to me sense to repeat all that. We could write forth and back for three years nonstop.

Peterski

01-08-2022, 11:01 PM

So far I've been polite while you and the Ustasholina keep attacking me verbally all the time (this includes e.g. twisting my nickname).

BTW it is funny that someone who is an Ustasholina is attacking me for having Germanic admixture, lol.

Yes. But that would not make the German testee unsuitable as a reference for the region were he is from.

And also it would not make his DNA unsuitable as a reference for Prussian Lithuanians, if all of his great-grandparents were Lithuanians.

Both names are applicable to the same DNA sample.

This applies to Beeskow sample as well, it can represent Niederlausitz Sorbs, since all of her ancestors 250 years ago were such people.

Because this is not the common way how the German people evolved.

But you are still evolving, the process has not stopped. Now you are evolving in different conditions.

rothaer

01-09-2022, 01:38 AM

(...) keep attacking me verbally all the time (this includes e.g. twisting my nickname).

OMG! Twisting your nickname? Any clue why?

Peterski

01-09-2022, 02:27 AM

(...)

See, "Das Stadtbuch der Stadt Beeskow in der Niederlausitz":

https://zs.thulb.uni-jena.de/receive/jportal_jparticle_00267050

There is also: "Ortsnamenbuch Der Niederlausitz : Studien Zur Toponymie Der Kreise Beeskow, Calau, Cottbus, Eisenhüttenstadt, Finsterwalde, Forst, Guben, Lübben, Luckau Und Spremberg".

But article below explains why some sources claim otherwise:

https://www.sorabicon.de/kulturlexikon/artikel/prov_ib2_m3d_r3b/

"Territorien, die im 15. und 16. Jh. von der zur böhmischen Krone gehörenden Niederlausitz an die brandenburgische Kurmark übergingen und bis zu ihrer festen Vereinigung mit Preußen Mitte des 18. Jh. eine besondere Verwaltungseinheit bildeten. Dies betraf 1462 die Herrschaften Teupitz und Bärwalde, 1490 Zossen, 1555 Beeskow und Storkow. Diese Gebiete befanden sich zunächst im Pfandbesitz der Hohenzollern, später erhielten sie den Status eines erblichen Lehens. Erst 1742 gingen sie im Ergebnis des Ersten Schlesischen Kriegs im Verband Preußens auf und gehörten fortan staatsrechtlich nicht mehr zur Niederlausitz.

Der Kurmärkisch-wendische-Distrikt umfasste im ausgehenden 16. Jh. eine Fläche von 2 174 km2 mit rund 17 700 Einwohnern, die in fünf Städten und 166 Dörfern lebten. Zwei Drittel der Bevölkerung in 132 Dörfern waren Sorben. Allein in den beiden Ämtern Beeskow und Storkow unterstanden dem Superintendenten Christoph Treuer 1610 noch 40 sorbische und lediglich fünf deutsche Kirchen. Die 29 deutschen Dörfer lagen in den Randgebieten, 19 allein im westlichen Teil des Amtes Zossen. Insgesamt betrug der Anteil der sorbischen Bevölkerung im Kurmärkisch-wendischen Distrikt im 16. Jh. 76 %. (...)"

^^^
So this entire area in the map below had 76% Sorbian population (and the German minority was mainly concentrated in western parts, near Zossen):

https://www.sorabicon.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SKL-Kurmaerkisch-wendischer_Distrikt_00_Karte-Iris-Brankackowa.jpg
Kurmärkisch-wendischer Disktrikt um 1600; Karte: Iris Brankatschk, Sorbisches Kulturarchiv am Sorbischen Institut

Sebbo

01-09-2022, 07:16 AM

Would be nice to have Aynoora back, she was lovely and very interested in genetics :)

Euroogenes K13 PCA. Central East Prussia is from Braunsberg, she plots like extreme NW German with Baltic (old Prussian) admixture.

Target: German_East_Prussia_Central
Distance: 3.0671% / 3.06710522 | R2P

68.7 German_Frisian
31.3 Latvian

Very interesting, thank you!

I didn't see this sample in Vahaduo K13 yet though :), how do you make the K13 PCA :) ? Have a good day . S

Sebbo

01-09-2022, 07:22 AM

Would be nice to have Aynoora back, she was lovely and very interested in genetics :)

Euroogenes K13 PCA. Central East Prussia is from Braunsberg, she plots like extreme NW German with Baltic (old Prussian) admixture.

Target: German_East_Prussia_Central
Distance: 3.0671% / 3.06710522 | R2P

68.7 German_Frisian
31.3 Latvian

P.S Is this "distance" measurement using K13 or G25 :) ?

Peterski

01-09-2022, 10:50 AM

P.S Is this "distance" measurement using K13 or G25 :) ?

K13 - this sample is not in G25.

rothaer

01-09-2022, 03:36 PM

See, "Das Stadtbuch der Stadt Beeskow in der Niederlausitz":

https://zs.thulb.uni-jena.de/receive/jportal_jparticle_00267050

There is also: "Ortsnamenbuch Der Niederlausitz : Studien Zur Toponymie Der Kreise Beeskow, Calau, Cottbus, Eisenhüttenstadt, Finsterwalde, Forst, Guben, Lübben, Luckau Und Spremberg".

But article below explains why some sources claim otherwise:

https://www.sorabicon.de/kulturlexikon/artikel/prov_ib2_m3d_r3b/

"Territorien, die im 15. und 16. Jh. von der zur böhmischen Krone gehörenden Niederlausitz an die brandenburgische Kurmark übergingen und bis zu ihrer festen Vereinigung mit Preußen Mitte des 18. Jh. eine besondere Verwaltungseinheit bildeten. Dies betraf 1462 die Herrschaften Teupitz und Bärwalde, 1490 Zossen, 1555 Beeskow und Storkow. Diese Gebiete befanden sich zunächst im Pfandbesitz der Hohenzollern, später erhielten sie den Status eines erblichen Lehens. Erst 1742 gingen sie im Ergebnis des Ersten Schlesischen Kriegs im Verband Preußens auf und gehörten fortan staatsrechtlich nicht mehr zur Niederlausitz.

Der Kurmärkisch-wendische-Distrikt umfasste im ausgehenden 16. Jh. eine Fläche von 2 174 km2 mit rund 17 700 Einwohnern, die in fünf Städten und 166 Dörfern lebten. Zwei Drittel der Bevölkerung in 132 Dörfern waren Sorben. Allein in den beiden Ämtern Beeskow und Storkow unterstanden dem Superintendenten Christoph Treuer 1610 noch 40 sorbische und lediglich fünf deutsche Kirchen. Die 29 deutschen Dörfer lagen in den Randgebieten, 19 allein im westlichen Teil des Amtes Zossen. Insgesamt betrug der Anteil der sorbischen Bevölkerung im Kurmärkisch-wendischen Distrikt im 16. Jh. 76 %. (...)"

^^^
So this entire area in the map below had 76% Sorbian population (and the German minority was mainly concentrated in western parts, near Zossen):

https://www.sorabicon.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SKL-Kurmaerkisch-wendischer_Distrikt_00_Karte-Iris-Brankackowa.jpg
Kurmärkisch-wendischer Disktrikt um 1600; Karte: Iris Brankatschk, Sorbisches Kulturarchiv am Sorbischen Institut

This is all known for long.

What exactly do you want to show?

Sebbo

01-09-2022, 04:09 PM

K13 - this sample is not in G25.

Is Vahaduo K13 any good for modeling ancestry (ancient and modern)?

Thanks

Leto

01-09-2022, 05:02 PM

This is all known for long.

What exactly do you want?
Piotr can only derail threads. He won't post any actual results because he doesn't want Lukasz M. to have his data.

Hey Piotr, will you do a Deutsche Juden average for Dodecad?

Peterski

01-09-2022, 07:03 PM

Polish guy with ancestry from County Międzychód (Birnbaum) & some ancestors from Counties Nowy Tomyśl (Neutomischel) & Szamotuły (Samter):

http://www.unsere-ahnen.de/polen/provinz_posen/kreise_provinz_posen_1905.png - see the map

<tbody>
Distance to:
Polish_Miedzychod

3.10618737
Polish_Greater_Poland

3.25975459
Polish_Kujavia

3.26615982
Upper_Silesia

3.43792088
Polish_Warmia-Masuria

3.48351834
German_East_Prussia_Masuria

4.04183127
Polish_Lesser_Poland

4.09121009
Polish

4.56957328
Sorb

5.36493243
Polish_Podlaskie

5.45072472
Polish_South

5.82289447
Polish_Mazovia

6.04451818
Polish_Silesia

6.59455078
Belarusian

6.67692294
Polish_Subcarpathia

6.99719229
Russian_Smolensk

7.11002813
German_West_Prussia

7.59551842
Ukrainian

7.96983061
Belarusian_Minsk

8.32821109
Russian_Southwest

8.63857627
German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)

8.70430928
Estonian

8.99636593
Finnish_Southwest

9.12524520
Czech

9.33117356
Ukrainian_Galicia

9.61714095
German_East_Prussia_Memelland

</tbody>

BTW his haplogroup is E1b-V13 interestingly.

http://www.unsere-ahnen.de/polen/provinz_posen/kreise_provinz_posen_1905.png

Peterski

01-09-2022, 08:28 PM

will you do a Deutsche Juden average for Dodecad?

You keep attacking me in reputation comments & in public posts, and then you molest me to send you data. Are you retarded?

Ashk_DE_DE_1,3.37,0,4.07,0,26.40,8.35,0.76,1.39,16 .86,0.42,38.36,0
Ashk_DE_DE_10,5.68,0.89,5.09,0.28,26.89,10.33,0,1. 24,13.26,0,36.34,0
Ashk_DE_DE_11,4.94,0.16,4.14,0,26.55,9.90,0,1.00,1 5.90,1.30,36.09,0
Ashk_DE_DE_2,5.84,0.38,5.59,0,25.52,12.22,0.61,0,1 4.37,0,35.46,0
Ashk_DE_DE_3,4.63,0,3.82,0.50,26.40,10.62,0.32,1.0 0,15.78,0,36.68,0.25
Ashk_DE_DE_4,4.26,0,3.83,0,25.60,11.74,0.93,0.54,1 5.85,0,37.25,0
Ashk_DE_DE_5,3.98,1.11,3.81,1.23,25.76,11.81,0.28, 0.84,15.31,0,35.86,0
Ashk_DE_DE_6,5.46,0.49,3.86,0.29,24.51,10.98,0.74, 1.19,15.40,0,37.08,0
Ashk_DE_DE_7,4.49,0.34,7.66,0.45,29.05,10.49,0,0,1 3.49,0,34.02,0
Ashk_DE_DE_8,4.87,0.23,4.87,1.19,24.81,13.32,0,0.6 5,14.85,0,35.05,0.15
Ashk_DE_DE_9,4.53,0.44,4.54,0,22.72,12.01,0.50,0.7 8,14.56,0.33,39.41,0.17
Ashk_AT_DE_1,5.13,1.38,4.37,0.41,25.07,13.02,1.42, 0.68,14.62,0,33.90,0

If you attack me one more time, you will never get anything else from me. Stop being a cunt.

Leto

01-09-2022, 08:35 PM

You keep attacking me in reputation comments & in public posts, and then you molest me to send you data. Are you retarded?

If you attack me one more time, you will never get anything else from me. Stop being a cunt.
Lol. Yes, I dislike you but those "attacks" are just trolling, don't pay too much attention to them. ;)

That isn't an average though.

Leto

01-09-2022, 09:20 PM

Purple Panther

01-10-2022, 12:55 AM

You keep attacking me in reputation comments & in public posts, and then you molest me to send you data. Are you retarded?
If you attack me one more time, you will never get anything else from me. Stop being a cunt.

He molested you? Maybe Chris Hansen should ask him to take a seat.

mariusz99

01-10-2022, 09:36 AM

Maybe I'm wrong but I think German Brandenburg could be more western. I have closer distance to Brandenburg than to Subcarpathia and Podlaskie.

rothaer

01-10-2022, 10:00 AM

Does Jewish admixture exist in ethnic Germans? I mean from at least the 1000s all the way to the 1930s they lived in many parts of modern Germany. I kinda doubt the Nazis found out everyone who was half or quarter Jewish, though the vast majority of unassimilated Jews did leave the Reich between 1933 and 1939.

It exists, but it's most common not to have. I now refer to 23andMe results, where Ashkenazi Jewish is most precisely determined. From 1000 AD to 1800 AD hardly any mixing happened. But after 1800 it happened by a number of conversions, but such early things were not relevant for the Thrid Reich (with very few exceptions). As for 1933-1945: Half Jews within the German Empire were finally persecuted, but not killed (in Poland the holocaust was extended to half Jews). Quarter Jews were not persecuted and even expressly considered part of the German people. But in some aspects they were discriminated. One of the chief purchasers for Hitler's planned art museum in Linz was Hildebrand Gurlitt, who was known to have 1/4 Jewish ancestry. So this did not hinder to be even privileged that way in the Third Reich.

Conclusion: Even if the nationalsocialist government found every half and quarter Jew, none of them was killed (however not along the rules) and hence permanently removed. But a notable number of half Jews will have left Germany after WWII for feeling offended and uncomfortable.

Jana

01-10-2022, 10:04 AM

Lucas

01-10-2022, 05:49 PM

Leto

01-10-2022, 07:49 PM

Jana

01-10-2022, 07:50 PM

Yes, I've seen 10% East Med in some Germans which looked rather un-Aryan to me if you know what I mean, haha

It has nothing to do with Jewish admixture. All SW Germans are pretty uniform genetically. Enough of that Aryan nonsense.

rothaer

01-11-2022, 10:15 AM

Roather could check but I saw in some Rhineland German kits traces of too many East-Med. But I can't estimate it is caused by Jewish admix or some old post-Roman remains later Germanized.

What exactly could I check? In the North Rhine average f. i. there are 8 samples with known pedigrees from ancestry researchers. And they score with an usual spread as one group. They are mostly from the left side of the Rhine river, i. e. from former Roman Empire. So whatever they score, they do represent that regional German population. Or do you have a point on a particular kit that is used? I'm open to whatever review.

Kyp

01-11-2022, 10:29 AM

Rhineland-Palatinate:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.12
2 Baltic 23.57
3 West_Med 14.3
4 East_Med 9.45
5 West_Asian 7.75
6 Siberian 1.09
7 Northeast_African 0.72
8 Sub-Saharan 0.47
9 Amerindian 0.28
10 Oceanian 0.14
11 Red_Sea 0.11

Brandenburg:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.3
2 Baltic 32.41
3 West_Med 12.88
4 West_Asian 6.09
5 East_Med 1.98
6 Amerindian 1.09
7 Oceanian 0.83
8 Northeast_African 0.73
9 South_Asian 0.69

Jana

01-11-2022, 10:33 AM

rothaer

01-11-2022, 10:37 AM

Yes, I've seen 10% East Med in some Germans which looked rather un-Aryan to me if you know what I mean, haha

I don't know exactly what you mean with Aryan, that is a linguistic term for Indoiranian speakers. If you refer to an usage of the term in the Third Reich you should know that it was - without changing the meant content - replaced in 1935 by the term "deutschen oder artverwandten Blutes". So this term as well as before "arisch" essentially compriesed of all Europeans, except Jews and Gypsies, so a full Sicilian was "arisch" f. i. Do you refer to such Aryans?

If you just want to express that someone looked Jewish-like it would be preferable to say that to make things clear.

By dealing with genetics and look you will likely have experienced that the very individual look is not very much related to ancestry genetics (regarding the average of a bigger group this is different, of course). This is because the genetics for the look are just a very tiny proportion of the genetic that is different among people and groups. Before DNA testing the look (with metrics etc.) was basically the only connecting point to genetics that was available. This is why it was used. But in relation to a DNA test this is like a bicycle compared to a Mercedes S-class.

10% East Med alone will not cause a Jewish-like look in a particular individual. If you refer to that a lot of West Germans do have such contributions, that will be true. But there is no indication that this is connected to Jews in particular. Trier in Rhineland-Palatinate was once the residence of Roman Ceasars with all what that implies.

Kyp

01-11-2022, 10:41 AM

Are their grandparents from there too? :)

Brandenburg result seems fully Brandenburg from her Gedcom data

Rhineland-Palatinate seems to be mostly Rhineland-Palatinate but also partly Hessen. Although all ancestry is roughly from Rhine-Main Metropolitan region.

Jana

01-11-2022, 10:58 AM

Brandenburg result seems fully Brandenburg from her Gedcom data

Rhineland-Palatinate seems to be mostly Rhineland-Palatinate but also partly Hessen. Although all ancestry is roughly from Rhine-Main Metropolitan region.

Thank you very much! :thumbsup:
very useful!!

Leto

01-12-2022, 07:18 PM

From Lower Saxony/Niedersachsen (no detailed genealogy)

North_Atlantic 41.74 Pct
Baltic 33.11 Pct
West_Med 12.33 Pct
West_Asian 4.39 Pct
East_Med 2.87 Pct
Red_Sea 2.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.6 Pct
East_Asian 0.6 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.4 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.95
2 North_Swedish 7.14
3 Swedish 7.27
4 Austrian 7.62
5 North_German 7.91
6 Norwegian 9.68
7 Danish 9.84
8 North_Dutch 9.92
9 Hungarian 10.83
10 West_German 11.29
11 South_Dutch 11.37
12 Orcadian 11.59
13 Southeast_English 12.08
14 Southwest_Finnish 12.3
15 Irish 12.44
16 South_Polish 13.23
17 West_Scottish 13.35
18 Southwest_English 13.59
19 Croatian 14.57
20 Polish 14.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.4% Southwest_English + 47.6% Polish @ 2.01
2 58.4% Southwest_English + 41.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.06
3 57.7% Southwest_English + 42.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.06
4 56.5% Orcadian + 43.5% Polish @ 2.28
5 52.9% West_Scottish + 47.1% Polish @ 2.29
6 58.1% Southwest_English + 41.9% Belorussian @ 2.32
7 54.7% Irish + 45.3% Polish @ 2.39
8 55.5% Southeast_English + 44.5% Polish @ 2.5
9 60.7% Irish + 39.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.55
10 61.8% Orcadian + 38.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.59
11 54.2% West_Scottish + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 2.61
12 60.7% Southeast_English + 39.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.62
13 58.9% West_Scottish + 41.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.64
14 62.3% Southwest_English + 37.7% Lithuanian @ 2.64
15 53.2% West_Scottish + 46.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.65
16 62.5% Orcadian + 37.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.66
17 56.1% Irish + 43.9% Ukrainian @ 2.67
18 58.2% West_Scottish + 41.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.71
19 60.6% North_Dutch + 39.4% Polish @ 2.72
20 55.1% Irish + 44.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.75

Like the son of an Englishman and a Polish Putzfrau (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Putzfrau) :D

Peterski

01-12-2022, 07:59 PM

From Lower Saxony/Niedersachsen (no detailed genealogy)

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Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.95

In all of Lower Saxony, only kits from Wendland & vicinity can score like this.

Leto

01-12-2022, 08:34 PM

In all of Lower Saxony, only kits from Wendland & vicinity can score like this.
He may have ancestry from further East. I do suspect there is an overrepresentation of people with roots in former Prussia among the German testers. Perhaps they are more interested in family history and genealogy (most Gedmatch accounts are made for genealogy purposes, not the calculators).

mariusz99

01-15-2022, 11:15 AM

Very interesting update. I tried to use all Polish averages (without Masuria and Silesia my 2 closest distances, no ancestry from areas) all German (without Prussia) + Hungary, Moldova, Romania.
It seems that I can have some ancestry from south Germany. I thought it could be Hungary or Moldova, but I never score Hungary/Moldova.

Target: mariusz
Distance: 3.7853% / 3.78534203
80.3 Polish
9.9 German_Bavarian_Swabia
8.9 Polish_Mazovia
0.9 Roma_Balkans

or

Target: mariusz
Distance: 3.8469% / 3.84689458
54.7 Polish
35.3 Polish_Mazovia
5.4 Austrian_Upper_Austria
3.6 German_South_Hesse
1.0 Roma_Balkans

J. Ketch

01-15-2022, 05:33 PM

Some East German kits

Farther Pomerania

Kit MT4409005

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.63
2 North_Atlantic 37.98
3 West_Med 9.68
4 East_Med 6.76
5 West_Asian 1.48
6 East_Asian 0.8
7 Northeast_African 0.38
8 Sub-Saharan 0.22
9 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 7.55
2 South_Polish 7.98
3 Polish 8.45
4 Ukrainian 10.22
5 North_Swedish 10.26
6 Belorussian 10.34
7 Estonian 11.02
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.07
9 Estonian_Polish 11.15
10 East_German 11.18
11 Russian_Smolensk 11.23
12 Finnish 11.31
13 Southwest_Russian 12.49
14 Hungarian 12.78
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.23
16 Austrian 13.31
17 Croatian 13.42
18 Lithuanian 14
19 East_Finnish 14.56
20 Swedish 14.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Belorussian + 31.8% Southeast_English @ 3.9
2 68.2% Belorussian + 31.8% Orcadian @ 4.22
3 70.5% Belorussian + 29.5% Southwest_English @ 4.22
4 65.3% Belorussian + 34.7% Danish @ 4.23
5 65.9% Belorussian + 34.1% North_Dutch @ 4.24
6 64.8% Belorussian + 35.2% Norwegian @ 4.31
7 70.1% Belorussian + 29.9% West_Scottish @ 4.35
8 60.7% Lithuanian + 39.3% Southeast_English @ 4.49
9 69.5% Belorussian + 30.5% Irish @ 4.51
10 60.4% Belorussian + 39.6% Swedish @ 4.51
11 66.8% Estonian_Polish + 33.2% Southeast_English @ 4.67
12 63.4% Belorussian + 36.6% North_German @ 4.7
13 63% Estonian_Polish + 37% Norwegian @ 4.71
14 63.6% Estonian_Polish + 36.4% Danish @ 4.71
15 64.2% Estonian_Polish + 35.8% North_Dutch @ 4.75
16 58.4% Estonian_Polish + 41.6% Swedish @ 4.86
17 66.7% Estonian_Polish + 33.3% Orcadian @ 4.89
18 68.7% Estonian_Polish + 31.3% West_Scottish @ 4.97
19 69.2% Estonian_Polish + 30.8% Southwest_English @ 5.02
20 50.3% North_Swedish + 49.7% Belorussian @ 5.05

West Prussia

Kit Z411422

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.82
2 Baltic 34.69
3 West_Med 10.52
4 West_Asian 6.85
5 East_Med 3.78
6 Northeast_African 1.29
7 South_Asian 1.13
8 Siberian 0.8
9 Red_Sea 0.08
10 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.98
2 North_Swedish 6.73
3 Austrian 7.76
4 Swedish 8.11
5 North_German 8.66
6 Hungarian 9.92
7 Norwegian 10.82
8 Danish 10.86
9 Southwest_Finnish 10.89
10 South_Polish 11.25
11 North_Dutch 11.29
12 West_German 12.48
13 South_Dutch 12.97
14 Orcadian 13.26
15 Polish 13.32
16 Croatian 13.51
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.66
18 Southeast_English 13.83
19 Irish 14.07
20 Ukrainian 14.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.9% North_German + 39.1% Polish @ 1.71
2 62% Danish + 38% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.77
3 53.9% West_Scottish + 46.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.78
4 57.1% Orcadian + 42.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.78
5 51% Norwegian + 49% South_Polish @ 1.79
6 50.9% Danish + 49.1% South_Polish @ 1.81
7 55.4% Irish + 44.6% Southwest_Russian @ 1.82
8 61.1% North_Dutch + 38.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.83
9 66.2% North_German + 33.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.87
10 61.8% Danish + 38.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.88
11 67.1% North_German + 32.9% Estonian_Polish @ 1.88
12 55.2% Danish + 44.8% Polish @ 1.88
13 60.9% North_Dutch + 39.1% Southwest_Russian @ 1.9
14 55.6% Irish + 44.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.91
15 53.7% West_Scottish + 46.3% Southwest_Russian @ 1.91
16 50.1% South_Polish + 49.9% North_Dutch @ 1.92
17 56.6% Danish + 43.4% Ukrainian @ 2
18 55.7% South_Polish + 44.3% Irish @ 2.03
19 60.8% Danish + 39.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.06
20 57.4% South_Polish + 42.6% West_Scottish @ 2.08

1/2 Mecklenburg, 1/2 Vorpommern

Kit H867995

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.39
2 Baltic 32.89
3 West_Med 11.32
4 East_Med 5.27
5 West_Asian 5.1
6 Amerindian 1.13
7 South_Asian 0.89
8 Red_Sea 0.54
9 Sub-Saharan 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.59
2 North_German 6.86
3 Swedish 6.9
4 Austrian 6.95
5 North_Swedish 7.26
6 Danish 8.94
7 Norwegian 9.16
8 North_Dutch 9.3
9 Hungarian 10.07
10 West_German 10.37
11 South_Dutch 10.74
12 Orcadian 11.18
13 Southeast_English 11.39
14 Irish 12.16
15 Southwest_Finnish 12.63
16 West_Scottish 13.03
17 South_Polish 13.19
18 Southwest_English 13.38
19 Croatian 14.49
20 Polish 15.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.4% Southeast_English + 37.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.48
2 62.5% Southeast_English + 37.5% Belorussian @ 1.52
3 63.1% Southeast_English + 36.9% Estonian_Polish @ 1.59
4 57.5% Southeast_English + 42.5% Polish @ 1.59
5 58.9% North_Dutch + 41.1% South_Polish @ 1.75
6 63.5% North_Dutch + 36.5% Ukrainian @ 1.77
7 63.7% Southeast_English + 36.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.8
8 64.4% Danish + 35.6% Ukrainian @ 1.8
9 63.3% Southeast_English + 36.7% Southwest_Russian @ 1.8
10 59.9% Danish + 40.1% South_Polish @ 1.84
11 50.3% West_Scottish + 49.7% South_Polish @ 1.94
12 54.2% Orcadian + 45.8% South_Polish @ 1.96
13 55.8% East_German + 44.2% Swedish @ 2.01
14 68.5% Swedish + 31.5% Croatian @ 2.01
15 66.7% Southeast_English + 33.3% Lithuanian @ 2.03
16 61.6% Norwegian + 38.4% Croatian @ 2.09
17 63.9% Danish + 36.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.11
18 63.6% Danish + 36.4% Polish @ 2.12
19 52.1% Irish + 47.9% South_Polish @ 2.13
20 63.9% Orcadian + 36.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.14

Smitty

01-16-2022, 12:25 AM

J. Ketch

01-20-2022, 01:40 AM

Rhineland-Palatinate

Kit T612405

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.68
2 Baltic 22.41
3 West_Med 14.56
4 East_Med 8.51
5 West_Asian 6.38
6 Red_Sea 2.31
7 Sub-Saharan 0.08
8 Amerindian 0.06
9 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 2.34
2 West_German 3.02
3 Southeast_English 6
4 French 7.17
5 North_German 7.3
6 Southwest_English 7.7
7 North_Dutch 7.99
8 Orcadian 8.03
9 Danish 8.18
10 Irish 8.9
11 West_Scottish 9.23
12 Austrian 9.96
13 Norwegian 10.45
14 Swedish 11.51
15 East_German 11.57
16 Hungarian 14.48
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.01
18 North_Swedish 16
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.18
20 Spanish_Galicia 16.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% North_Dutch + 23.7% Tuscan @ 1.39
2 72.4% North_Dutch + 27.6% North_Italian @ 1.56
3 50.5% French + 49.5% North_German @ 1.89
4 80.3% North_Dutch + 19.7% West_Sicilian @ 1.95
5 71.2% Norwegian + 28.8% Tuscan @ 2.02
6 66.7% Norwegian + 33.3% North_Italian @ 2.02
7 72.2% Danish + 27.8% North_Italian @ 2.1
8 90.8% Southeast_English + 9.2% Samaritan @ 2.12
9 71.5% North_German + 28.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.13
10 91% Southeast_English + 9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.15
11 76.1% West_Scottish + 23.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.17
12 85.9% Southeast_English + 14.1% Central_Greek @ 2.19
13 90.5% South_Dutch + 9.5% North_Dutch @ 2.19
14 89.9% Southeast_English + 10.1% Cyprian @ 2.2
15 86.2% Southeast_English + 13.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.21
16 76.2% Danish + 23.8% Tuscan @ 2.21
17 84.7% North_Dutch + 15.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.21
18 90.5% South_Dutch + 9.5% North_German @ 2.22
19 81.8% Orcadian + 18.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.22
20 83.7% Southeast_English + 16.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.23

With K13 updated

Distance to: Rhineland-Pfalz
2.47345912 Belgian
2.91936637 Flemish
3.50308436 German_North_Rhine
3.62147760 French_Normandy
3.64455759 German_North_Hesse
3.84607592 Dutch_South
4.27183801 French_Northeast
4.30400976 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
4.74903148 Afrikaner
5.12199180 German_Upper_Swabia
5.16463939 German_South_Hesse
5.29832049 Pennsylvania_Dutch
5.69946489 Austrian_Upper_Austria
5.71778803 English_Southeast
5.72493668 French_Alsace
5.72927570 German_Lower_Franconia
6.02690634 French_Brittany
6.03112759 German_North_Baden
6.29642756 German
6.30537073 German_Saarland
6.40780774 English_Midlands
6.40989079 German_Bavaria_proper
6.48539128 Swiss_German
6.57818364 English
6.77606080 German_Central_Hesse

Target: Rhineland-Pfalz
Distance: 1.4662% / 1.46620853 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.9 German_Westphalia
29.1 Swiss_Italian

Target: Rhineland-Pfalz
Distance: 1.3882% / 1.38815233 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.1 German_North_Hesse
28.4 Scottish
24.6 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
6.2 German_Westphalia
1.7 Saudi

Jana

01-20-2022, 03:59 PM

A rare find, 100% Swiss German from Basel and Bern.

North_Atlantic 42.24 Pct
Baltic 18.98 Pct
West_Med 17.74 Pct
West_Asian 10 Pct
East_Med 8.91 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.07 Pct
Northeast_African 0.32 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Swiss_German

4.58843110 German_North_Rhine
4.76180638 French_Northeast
4.83020703 German_Saarland
5.27759415 Pennsylvania_Dutch
5.46603147 Swiss_German
5.47801972 German_South_Hesse
5.68421499 French_Alsace
5.73661050 German_Baden-Württemberg
5.78925729 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
5.97876241 Swiss_French
6.17368610 French_Central
6.19029886 French_Canadian
6.83256906 Austrian_Tyrol
6.85280964 Belgian
6.90793023 German_Bavaria_proper
7.01342284 French_Normandy
7.28796954 German_Lower/Middle_Franconia
7.41865891 Flemish
7.44092736 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
7.64459286 German_North_Hesse
7.70031818 Italian_Aosta_Valley
7.97977913 Austrian_Lower_Austria
8.62421011 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
8.64440281 Afrikaner
8.92726722 Dutch_South

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.3414% / 1.34136242 | ADC: 0.25x RC

82.8 German_North_Rhine
11.0 Basque_France
6.2 Georgian_Imereti

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 2.9466% / 2.94664723 | R2P

66.9 German_North_Rhine
33.1 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Jana

01-20-2022, 04:07 PM

Rhineland-Palatinate

Yes, we know this sample :) It is from part of RP that is East of Rhine river, and people from there are more northern shifted than rest of state, so we made special average for them (we have few samples from the area)

Distance to: German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine

2.96074315 Belgian
3.14780876 Flemish
3.92365901 Dutch_South
4.14556389 German_North_Rhine
4.24515017 French_Normandy
4.77192833 Afrikaner
4.79977083 German_North_Hesse
5.02689765 English_Southeast
5.06324007 French_Northeast
5.69434808 English_Midlands
5.70213995 French_Brittany
5.84271341 English
6.10143426 German_Saarland
6.24948798 German_South_Hesse
6.27036682 German_Lower/Middle_Franconia
6.30633808 English_Southwest
6.35299929 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.51070657 Dutch
6.53052065 German_Baden-Württemberg
6.81725018 French_Alsace
6.82663900 English_North
6.89849984 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
6.97732040 German_Lower_Saxony_South
7.02597324 German_Westphalia
7.13803194 Welsh

and thanks so much for posting these kits, you help us immensely :thumbsup:

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:07 AM

This Hinterpommern result works better for my mom than the Lauenburg/Stolp one rothaer shared earlier, even though her ancestry is from those counties. 2/3 Slavic, looks like.

This result is within the typical range for Kashubians, who can also score "Southwest_Finnish" before Polish and with high distances.

In fact Piotraschke appears to be a Western Kashubian surname: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Piotraschke

Paweł Piotraschke (athlete) - https://statystyka.pzla.pl/personal.php?page=last&nr_zaw=15298&r=2

Kamil Piotraschke (businessman) - https://www.oferteo.pl/kamil-piotraschke/firma/2468297

The other surname, Krause, is also common among Kashubs, see the map: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Krause

https://i.imgur.com/0yigPhI.png

PS:

Where is the one that Rothaer shared earlier? I can't find it. Was his one more Germanic-shifted?

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:10 AM

This result is within the typical range for Kashubs, who can also score "Southwest_Finnish" before Polish and with high distances (over 7).

In fact Piotraschke appears to be a Western Kashubian surname: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Piotraschke

Paweł Piotraschke (athlete) - https://statystyka.pzla.pl/personal.php?page=last&nr_zaw=15298&r=2

Kamil Piotraschke (businessman) - https://www.oferteo.pl/kamil-piotraschke/firma/2468297

The other surname, Krause, is also common among Kashubs, see the map: http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Krause

[IMG]

PS:

Where is the one that Rothaer shared earleir? I can't find it. Was his one more Germanic-shifted?

So do we have Kashubian samples? That would be interesting. Rothaer was good enough to PM me that result at my request.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:18 AM

So do we have Kashubian samples? That would be interesting.

Yes. Here a couple of examples (and later probably I will post some more):

First example:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 44.89
2 North_Atlantic 36.64
3 West_Med 7.88
4 West_Asian 3.58
5 East_Med 2.08
6 Red_Sea 1.29
7 Siberian 1.15
8 Sub-Saharan 0.8
9 Amerindian 0.59
10 Oceanian 0.58
11 East_Asian 0.3
12 South_Asian 0.16
13 Northeast_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 4.97
2 Polish 6.41
3 Estonian 6.96
4 Finnish 7.44
5 South_Polish 7.94
6 Belorussian 7.96
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.54
8 Estonian_Polish 8.81
9 Ukrainian 9.59
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.2
11 North_Swedish 10.55
12 Lithuanian 10.57
13 Southwest_Russian 10.67
14 East_Finnish 10.88
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.12
16 Kargopol_Russian 12.49
17 East_German 13.62
18 La_Brana-1 14.37
19 Croatian 14.8
20 Hungarian 15.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.6% Lithuanian + 39.4% Swedish @ 1.53
2 64.9% Lithuanian + 35.1% Norwegian @ 1.65
3 50.1% North_Swedish + 49.9% Lithuanian @ 1.75
4 66.3% Lithuanian + 33.7% North_Dutch @ 1.77
5 70% Lithuanian + 30% West_Scottish @ 1.89
6 68.4% Lithuanian + 31.6% Orcadian @ 1.91
7 66.1% Lithuanian + 33.9% Danish @ 1.99
8 69.3% Lithuanian + 30.7% Irish @ 2.08
9 57.4% Belorussian + 42.6% North_Swedish @ 2.24
10 73.7% Estonian + 26.3% North_German @ 2.29
11 70.8% Lithuanian + 29.2% Southwest_English @ 2.29
12 69.4% Lithuanian + 30.6% Southeast_English @ 2.33
13 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% North_German @ 2.36
14 75.8% Estonian + 24.2% North_Dutch @ 2.42
15 67.8% Belorussian + 32.2% Swedish @ 2.44
16 75.6% Estonian + 24.4% Danish @ 2.54
17 54.8% Estonian_Polish + 45.2% North_Swedish @ 2.54
18 78.3% Estonian + 21.7% Southeast_English @ 2.56
19 79.5% Estonian + 20.5% Southwest_English @ 2.61
20 71.2% Estonian + 28.8% Swedish @ 2.63

Second example:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.08
2 North_Atlantic 35.54
3 West_Asian 7.17
4 East_Med 6.64
5 West_Med 5.82
6 Amerindian 1.09
7 Red_Sea 0.8
8 Oceanian 0.38
9 Northeast_African 0.28
10 Siberian 0.17
11 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.65
2 Polish 7.45
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.64
4 Ukrainian 9.18
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.31
6 Belorussian 9.33
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.51
8 Southwest_Russian 10.02
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.09
10 Estonian_Polish 10.24
11 Finnish 10.76
12 Estonian 10.91
13 North_Swedish 11.51
14 Hungarian 11.89
15 East_German 12.04
16 Croatian 12.24
17 Lithuanian 13.18
18 Austrian 13.63
19 Kargopol_Russian 13.78
20 East_Finnish 13.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.5% Norwegian @ 3.79
2 62.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.5% Swedish @ 3.82
3 66.3% Belorussian + 33.7% North_German @ 3.86
4 66.8% Southwest_Russian + 33.2% Norwegian @ 3.92
5 62.7% Southwest_Russian + 37.3% Swedish @ 3.97
6 67.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.8% Danish @ 4.05
7 53.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.2% North_Swedish @ 4.05
8 67.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.3% North_Dutch @ 4.08
9 67.5% Southwest_Russian + 32.5% Danish @ 4.19
10 69.4% Belorussian + 30.6% Danish @ 4.19
11 68% Southwest_Russian + 32% North_Dutch @ 4.2
12 69.9% Belorussian + 30.1% North_Dutch @ 4.23
13 64.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.5% North_German @ 4.24
14 64.7% Southwest_Russian + 35.3% North_German @ 4.27
15 69.1% Belorussian + 30.9% Norwegian @ 4.36
16 66.3% Russian_Smolensk + 33.7% North_German @ 4.4
17 72% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28% West_Scottish @ 4.45
18 54.2% Southwest_Russian + 45.8% North_Swedish @ 4.46
19 65.3% Belorussian + 34.7% Swedish @ 4.49
20 73.3% Belorussian + 26.7% Irish @ 4.51

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:33 AM

Yes. Here a couple of examples (and later I will post some more):

First example:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 44.89
2 North_Atlantic 36.64
3 West_Med 7.88
4 West_Asian 3.58
5 East_Med 2.08
6 Red_Sea 1.29
7 Siberian 1.15
8 Sub-Saharan 0.8
9 Amerindian 0.59
10 Oceanian 0.58
11 East_Asian 0.3
12 South_Asian 0.16
13 Northeast_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 4.97
2 Polish 6.41
3 Estonian 6.96
4 Finnish 7.44
5 South_Polish 7.94
6 Belorussian 7.96
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.54
8 Estonian_Polish 8.81
9 Ukrainian 9.59
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.2
11 North_Swedish 10.55
12 Lithuanian 10.57
13 Southwest_Russian 10.67
14 East_Finnish 10.88
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.12
16 Kargopol_Russian 12.49
17 East_German 13.62
18 La_Brana-1 14.37
19 Croatian 14.8
20 Hungarian 15.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.6% Lithuanian + 39.4% Swedish @ 1.53
2 64.9% Lithuanian + 35.1% Norwegian @ 1.65
3 50.1% North_Swedish + 49.9% Lithuanian @ 1.75
4 66.3% Lithuanian + 33.7% North_Dutch @ 1.77
5 70% Lithuanian + 30% West_Scottish @ 1.89
6 68.4% Lithuanian + 31.6% Orcadian @ 1.91
7 66.1% Lithuanian + 33.9% Danish @ 1.99
8 69.3% Lithuanian + 30.7% Irish @ 2.08
9 57.4% Belorussian + 42.6% North_Swedish @ 2.24
10 73.7% Estonian + 26.3% North_German @ 2.29
11 70.8% Lithuanian + 29.2% Southwest_English @ 2.29
12 69.4% Lithuanian + 30.6% Southeast_English @ 2.33
13 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% North_German @ 2.36
14 75.8% Estonian + 24.2% North_Dutch @ 2.42
15 67.8% Belorussian + 32.2% Swedish @ 2.44
16 75.6% Estonian + 24.4% Danish @ 2.54
17 54.8% Estonian_Polish + 45.2% North_Swedish @ 2.54
18 78.3% Estonian + 21.7% Southeast_English @ 2.56
19 79.5% Estonian + 20.5% Southwest_English @ 2.61
20 71.2% Estonian + 28.8% Swedish @ 2.63

Second example:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.08
2 North_Atlantic 35.54
3 West_Asian 7.17
4 East_Med 6.64
5 West_Med 5.82
6 Amerindian 1.09
7 Red_Sea 0.8
8 Oceanian 0.38
9 Northeast_African 0.28
10 Siberian 0.17
11 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.65
2 Polish 7.45
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.64
4 Ukrainian 9.18
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.31
6 Belorussian 9.33
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.51
8 Southwest_Russian 10.02
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.09
10 Estonian_Polish 10.24
11 Finnish 10.76
12 Estonian 10.91
13 North_Swedish 11.51
14 Hungarian 11.89
15 East_German 12.04
16 Croatian 12.24
17 Lithuanian 13.18
18 Austrian 13.63
19 Kargopol_Russian 13.78
20 East_Finnish 13.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.5% Norwegian @ 3.79
2 62.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.5% Swedish @ 3.82
3 66.3% Belorussian + 33.7% North_German @ 3.86
4 66.8% Southwest_Russian + 33.2% Norwegian @ 3.92
5 62.7% Southwest_Russian + 37.3% Swedish @ 3.97
6 67.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.8% Danish @ 4.05
7 53.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.2% North_Swedish @ 4.05
8 67.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.3% North_Dutch @ 4.08
9 67.5% Southwest_Russian + 32.5% Danish @ 4.19
10 69.4% Belorussian + 30.6% Danish @ 4.19
11 68% Southwest_Russian + 32% North_Dutch @ 4.2
12 69.9% Belorussian + 30.1% North_Dutch @ 4.23
13 64.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.5% North_German @ 4.24
14 64.7% Southwest_Russian + 35.3% North_German @ 4.27
15 69.1% Belorussian + 30.9% Norwegian @ 4.36
16 66.3% Russian_Smolensk + 33.7% North_German @ 4.4
17 72% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28% West_Scottish @ 4.45
18 54.2% Southwest_Russian + 45.8% North_Swedish @ 4.46
19 65.3% Belorussian + 34.7% Swedish @ 4.49
20 73.3% Belorussian + 26.7% Irish @ 4.51

Yeah, very similar. Thank you. So should Kashubs be considered an ethnic group unto themselves, especially since they seem to be genetically distinct from their neighbors? And does this 1/3 Germanic represent older Germanic admixture (late middle Ages) or more recent German admixture (17th-19th centuries)?

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:39 AM

Why doesn't the Lauenburg/Stolp kit that Rothaer shared earlier work for your mom? It is more Germanic?

BTW this kit shared by Creoda is also mostly from Lauenburg and Stolp + minor Rummelsburg & Schlawe.

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:47 AM

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:59 AM

Yeah, very similar. Thank you. So should Kashubs be considered an ethnic group unto themselves, especially since they seem to be genetically distinct from their neighbors?

I don't think that Kashubs vs. other Poles are more different from each other than Lower Saxony's Germans vs. Bavarian Germans - for example.

Mazovians would also have to be counted as a separate ethnic group in such case, for example (because they are quite different than other Poles).

And the capital of Poland is in Mazovia as you know. :) So our capital is in a territory of another ethnic group? Doesn't make sense.

Personally I lean towards counting all Lechitic Slavs as one ethnos, with internal differences still smaller than internal differences between Germans.

BTW, I added one of those Kashubians posted above (the other one did not reply to my email) to Global25, he is the Kashubian reference in G25.

As you can see, he plots close to sample Polish18 (so maybe this sample is from NW Poland as well) and to Polish Medieval samples from Bodzia:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#NorthEurope

https://i.imgur.com/UeqDWbe.png

And does this 1/3 Germanic represent older Germanic admixture (late middle Ages) or more recent German admixture (17th-19th centuries)?

It can even be from Pre-Medieval Iron Age, depending on views on the ethnic situation in in this region in antiquity (the presence of Goths etc.).

Maybe Y-DNA haplogroups could give some hints?

Kashubians have more of I1 than of R1b, so their Germanic input does seem to be mostly from East Germanic tribes of the Iron Age.

Because modern Germans don't have so much I1.

Unless there was some sort of a founder effect?

Peterski

01-21-2022, 04:18 AM

rothaer

01-21-2022, 11:42 AM

As expected, Creoda's kit from Lauenburg-Stolp-Rummelsburg-Schlawe is most similar (87) to Kashubs, then to Wielkopolska (86):

(I mean, as expected by me - and it turns out I was right - some others did not expect so very Slavic genetics in this region ;) )

Who thought something else? What you do celebrate as a kind of new finding is essentially banal.

And do you want to declare this average ethnic German from Eastern Farther Pomerania a non-German?

https://i.imgur.com/ETUaVxp.jpg

If you stick to that - sorry - oddball opinon, then you should be consequent and say that in your understanding it were not Germans that put down the Warsaw uprising by Erich v. d. Bach-Zelewski, but Poles themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_dem_Bach-Zelewski

Are you now adopting the name of a German (Piotraschke) as your nick name? He would likely also have gifted you a bullet in 1944.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 12:01 PM

average ethnic German from Eastern Farther Pomerania

Maybe not so average, people are telling me that the Lauenburg-Stolp kit that you & Stearsolina found is more western-shifted.

the name of a German (Piotraschke)

It exists among ethnic Poles/Kashubians living in this region today - http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Piotraschke

When you google-search Piotraschke, the first result is a Polish athlete from AML Słupsk:

https://statystyka.pzla.pl/personal.php?page=last&nr_zaw=15298&r=2 - Paweł

http://aml.slupsk.pl/

as your nick name?

Piotraschke (formerly Peterska) from Markgrafpieske. :)

Peterski

01-21-2022, 12:20 PM

Piotraschke surname in Poland today based on PESEL database - 87.5% of them live in Słupsk County:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%82upsk_County

https://i.imgur.com/Pzh9m33.png

rothaer

01-21-2022, 12:35 PM

Maybe not so average, people are telling me that the Lauenburg-Stolp kit that you & Stearsolina found is more western-shifted.

It exists among ethnic Poles/Kashubians living in this region today - http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Piotraschke

When you google-search Piotraschke, the first result is a Polish athlete from AML Słupsk:

https://statystyka.pzla.pl/personal.php?page=last&nr_zaw=15298&r=2 - Paweł

http://aml.slupsk.pl/

Piotraschke (formerly Peterska) from Markgrafpieske. :)

I did not yet get, what's behind Markgrafpieske.

Yes, Piotraschke will exist among Poles as well as Krause.

As for the genetic in Farther Pomerania: I thought about to making an own average for Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow area (we once talked about that). This is more Slavic and deviates from the Farther Pomerania average. BUT: Western Farther Pomerania deviates as well in the other direction and the middle of Farther Pomerania seems in between genetically. So based on the current available kits it looks like a continuum with a cline. From such a thing you could split off whatever part and have a different average. So if there would be split off Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow right now would make the impression of a different genetic for a particular area while it in fact just is part of a continuum.

But the more narrow ancestry for every kit is saved, so there can be made re-gropupings at any time. I'm willing to da a split off as soon as I see that there is anything else than a contiuunm. Or even if there is just a continuum, if such subdivisiona are suitable and made in an equal manner. I'm not sure if this is appreciated by the users and Leto already complained about all thies German averages are already being too fine grained. Would it be interesting to divide Farther Pomerania into west, central and east, the latter being basically Lauenburg-Bütow-Stolp? If so, it would be needed one or two more kits for Central Farther Pomerania.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 12:57 PM

Yes, Piotraschke will exist among Poles as well as Krause.

These Piotraschke who live in Powiat Słupsk today (see the map above) are obviously native there: autochthons of the Regained Lands.

It wasn't just Klucken but much more - as of 1950 census there were 9370 autochthons in Powiat Słupsk, or 11% of the inhabitants.

rothaer

01-21-2022, 01:20 PM

These Piotraschke who live in Powiat Słupsk today (see the map above) are obviously native there: autochthons of the Regained Lands.
It wasn't just Klucken but much more - as of 1950 census there were 9370 autochthons in Powiat Słupsk, or 11% of the inhabitants.

These with the Polish first names are very likely Poles, yes. But they are not the testtaker and do not have that pedigree. You don't know their pedigree. They may descend from such an autochtone just 1/4 or not even, but hail from nearby Kashubia, where lilkely were also some surnames like in Eastern Farther Pomerania.
I'm not sure why you do introduce speculations about some individuals that are not even tested.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 02:40 PM

I'm not sure why you do introduce speculations about some individuals that are not even tested.

Only as a response to "accusation" that my new nickname is from Germany. :p

hail from nearby Kashubia, where lilkely were also some surnames like in Eastern Farther Pomerania.

Today this surname does not exist east of Słupsk County, only there. So I don't think it existed among Kashubs from West Prussia.

BTW, Kashubia and Eastern Farther Pomerania are not mutually exclusive terms.

The region known as Kashubia wasn't limited just to north-western part of West Prussia, it also included eastern parts of Pommern.

Dr J. Mordawski, "Geography of Kashubia" (2018), published by Zrzeszenie Kaszubsko-Pomorskie, has a map with Kashubia borders.

This map is even on the cover of this book (also Mordawski's "Atlas of history of Pomorze & its inhabitants: Kashubs" has this map):

https://czec.pl/userdata/public/gfx/7033/geografia_kaszub.jpg

^^^
You might want to disagree with this, but this is what scholars (such as Dr Jan Mordawski) consider as Kashubia.

Kashubians themselves (and their Zrzeszenie Kaszubsko-Pomorskie) also agree with such borders of Kashubia.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 02:53 PM

BTW have you seen this thread, "Regions of Pomerania and Prussia according to German 1858 book"?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308816-Regions-of-Pomerania-amp-Prussia-according-to-German-1858-book

List of regions - https://i.imgur.com/WSqnSDd.png

^^^
Apart from regions listed in this 1858 book, I also marked here Kashubia, with a yellow checkerboard:

https://i.imgur.com/TI2wq7e.png

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:02 PM

I did not yet get, what's behind Markgrafpieske.

Yes, Piotraschke will exist among Poles as well as Krause.

As for the genetic in Farther Pomerania: I thought about to making an own average for Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow area (we once talked about that). This is more Slavic and deviates from the Farther Pomerania average. BUT: Western Farther Pomerania deviates as well in the other direction and the middle of Farther Pomerania seems in between genetically. So based on the current available kits it looks like a continuum with a cline. From such a thing you could split off whatever part and have a different average. So if there would be split off Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow right now would make the impression of a different genetic for a particular area while it in fact just is part of a continuum.

But the more narrow ancestry for every kit is saved, so there can be made re-gropupings at any time. I'm willing to da a split off as soon as I see that there is anything else than a contiuunm. Or even if there is just a continuum, if such subdivisiona are suitable and made in an equal manner. I'm not sure if this is appreciated by the users and Leto already complained about all thies German averages are already being too fine grained. Would it be interesting to divide Farther Pomerania into west, central and east, the latter being basically Lauenburg-Bütow-Stolp? If so, it would be needed one or two more kits for Central Farther Pomerania.

I for one like the detail. Bring it on.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:03 PM

I for one like the detail. Bring it on.

Me too:

https://i.imgur.com/TI2wq7e.png

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:04 PM

Only as a response to "accusation" that my new nickname is from Germany. :p

Today this surname does not exist east of Słupsk County, only there. So I don't think it existed among Kashubs from West Prussia.

There are 122 hits in Germany vs. 16 in Poland. For what it's worth.

http://geogen.stoepel.net/?q=piotraschke

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:13 PM

There are 122 hits in Germany vs. 16 in Poland. For what it's worth.

http://geogen.stoepel.net/?q=piotraschke

But in 1890 most lived in what is today Poland: https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Piotraschke

It is an obvious Kashub surname, because these areas were Kashub-speaking well into the 1800s:

https://i.imgur.com/9Jizv3k.png

Kashubian / Wendish, whatever you prefer.

According to Georg Hassel there were 65,000 Wenden und Kassuben in Provinz Pommern in 1817-1819.

That was 1/10 of all inhabitants of Pommern. And of course in eastern counties the % was much higher.

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Edit:

Comparison of 1890 distribution vs. 1996 distribution in Germany:

https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Piotraschke,1996:Piotraschke

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:22 PM

^^^ That area where Piotraschke family lived in 1890, was over 75% Kashubian just 90 years prior (about 1800):

https://i.imgur.com/Ef4gnWV.png - map

And was still strongly Kashub in 1892, according to Stefan Ramułt (who travelled there and visited many villages):

https://i.imgur.com/9W9rFj6.png - map

https://i.imgur.com/LUl31hi.png

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:30 PM

But in 1890 most lived in what is today Poland: [URRL]

It is an obvious Kashub surname, because these areas were Kashub-speaking well into the 1800s:

[IMG]

Kashubian / Wendish, whatever you prefer.

According to Georg Hassel there were 65,000 Wenden und Kassuben in Provinz Pommern in 1817-1819.

That was 1/10 of all inhabitants of Pommern. And of course in eastern counties the % was much higher.

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Edit:

Comparison of 1890 distribution vs. 1996 distribution in Germany:

[url]

I'm aware they were post-WWII refugees. But they also obviously considered themselves German, which is relevant to this discussion.

Leto

01-21-2022, 03:31 PM

German Brazilian from Santa Catarina. The old meme (if anyone still remembers it) "I'm Southern Brazilian, therefore Germanic" is sometimes true :)

North_Atlantic 41.79 Pct
Baltic 24.36 Pct
West_Med 15.39 Pct
West_Asian 4.99 Pct
East_Med 7.05 Pct
Red_Sea 2.57 Pct
South_Asian 1.72 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.51 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 3.61
2 West_German 3.77
3 Austrian 7
4 French 7.86
5 North_German 8.02
6 East_German 8.36
7 Southeast_English 8.47
8 Danish 9.56
9 North_Dutch 9.64
10 Orcadian 9.78
11 Southwest_English 10.08
12 Irish 10.99
13 Swedish 11.43
14 Hungarian 11.43
15 West_Scottish 11.49
16 Norwegian 11.54
17 North_Swedish 14.29
18 Serbian 15.48
19 Spanish_Cataluna 15.52
20 Spanish_Galicia 15.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% French + 27.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.65
2 64.9% French + 35.1% North_Swedish @ 1.81
3 76.7% French + 23.3% Finnish @ 1.88
4 86.9% South_Dutch + 13.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.93
5 90.2% South_Dutch + 9.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 1.98
6 91.2% South_Dutch + 8.8% Erzya @ 1.99
7 87.8% South_Dutch + 12.2% Ukrainian @ 2.07
8 89.7% South_Dutch + 10.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.07
9 85% South_Dutch + 15% Croatian @ 2.1
10 89.6% South_Dutch + 10.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.1
11 89.6% South_Dutch + 10.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.13
12 90.6% South_Dutch + 9.4% East_Finnish @ 2.15
13 89.8% South_Dutch + 10.2% Belorussian @ 2.16
14 92.8% South_Dutch + 7.2% Chuvash @ 2.17
15 86.7% South_Dutch + 13.3% South_Polish @ 2.17
16 73.6% South_Dutch + 26.4% East_German @ 2.17
17 88.4% South_Dutch + 11.6% Polish @ 2.2
18 86.2% South_Dutch + 13.8% Moldavian @ 2.21
19 69.9% South_Dutch + 30.1% Austrian @ 2.21
20 79.7% South_Dutch + 20.3% Hungarian @ 2.22

- - -

From Oberbayern, born in a town in the Southeastern corner of Bavaria. I guess Oberbayern should be indistinguishable from the adjacent parts of Austria.

North_Atlantic 34.18 Pct
Baltic 27.95 Pct
West_Med 15.37 Pct
West_Asian 11.08 Pct
East_Med 8.69 Pct
Red_Sea 0.5 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian 0.49 Pct
Siberian 0.21 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.23 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 4.99
2 Hungarian 5.94
3 East_German 6.91
4 Serbian 8.97
5 West_German 9.99
6 Croatian 10.01
7 Moldavian 10.2
8 South_Dutch 11.49
9 Romanian 12.37
10 North_German 13.32
11 French 13.78
12 South_Polish 14.21
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.86
14 Bulgarian 15.24
15 Danish 15.96
16 North_Dutch 16.11
17 Swedish 16.12
18 Ukrainian 16.14
19 Southeast_English 16.23
20 North_Swedish 16.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Austrian + 9.6% Balkar @ 2.19
2 92.2% Austrian + 7.8% Abhkasian @ 2.22
3 91% Austrian + 9% Ossetian @ 2.25
4 91.8% Austrian + 8.2% Georgian @ 2.29
5 90.9% Austrian + 9.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.3
6 90.2% Austrian + 9.8% Kabardin @ 2.32
7 90.7% Austrian + 9.3% Adygei @ 2.34
8 90.1% Austrian + 9.9% Kumyk @ 2.47
9 90.3% Austrian + 9.7% Chechen @ 2.49
10 89.2% East_German + 10.8% Abhkasian @ 2.67
11 88.7% East_German + 11.3% Georgian @ 2.7
12 90.7% Austrian + 9.3% Lezgin @ 2.72
13 88.6% East_German + 11.4% Armenian @ 2.84
14 90.6% Austrian + 9.4% Tabassaran @ 2.84
15 92.3% Austrian + 7.7% Armenian @ 2.88
16 87.7% East_German + 12.3% Ossetian @ 2.96
17 92.2% Austrian + 7.8% Kurdish @ 2.98
18 91% Austrian + 9% Turkish @ 2.99
19 50.6% West_German + 49.4% Moldavian @ 3.03
20 87.1% East_German + 12.9% Balkar @ 3.04

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:32 PM

But they also obviously considered themselves German, which is relevant to this discussion.

This is not obvious at all, the ones who stayed in Poland could not consider themselves Germans because they would have been expelled.

And the surname is not Germanic (Piotr is a Slavic name, while Peter is a German name).

If they were Peterschke, I would say that the surname is German. But not Piotraschke.

I used to be Peterski on this forum, but Piotraschke sounds even cooler, more Slavic.

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:35 PM

This has probably already been seen, but here's another Lauenburg-Stolp result that came up as a match of Creoda's above. One great-grandparent and one 2x great-grandparent from just across the border in West Prussia. Much the same genetically.

Kit ZL5459187

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 43.35
2 North_Atlantic 37.28
3 West_Med 10.37
4 West_Asian 4.18
5 Siberian 1.22
6 East_Med 1.07
7 Northeast_African 1.05
8 Oceanian 0.79
9 Amerindian 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 5.6
2 Polish 7.01
3 South_Polish 7.84
4 Estonian 8.73
5 Finnish 9.21
6 Ukrainian 9.59
7 North_Swedish 9.65
8 Belorussian 9.87
9 Russian_Smolensk 9.92
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.13
11 Estonian_Polish 10.3
12 Southwest_Russian 11.85
13 East_German 11.9
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.26
15 Lithuanian 12.33
16 East_Finnish 12.55
17 Kargopol_Russian 13.46
18 Croatian 14.06
19 Hungarian 14.18
20 Austrian 14.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% Lithuanian + 34.4% Southwest_English @ 2.01
2 63.1% Lithuanian + 36.9% Orcadian @ 2.09
3 65% Lithuanian + 35% West_Scottish @ 2.26
4 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% Irish @ 2.27
5 64.2% Lithuanian + 35.8% Southeast_English @ 2.44
6 61% Lithuanian + 39% North_Dutch @ 2.49
7 59.5% Lithuanian + 40.5% Norwegian @ 2.62
8 73.5% Estonian + 26.5% Southwest_English @ 2.63
9 54.6% Lithuanian + 45.4% Swedish @ 2.64
10 60.8% Lithuanian + 39.2% Danish @ 2.8
11 72.3% Estonian + 27.7% Southeast_English @ 2.82
12 59.1% Polish + 40.9% North_Swedish @ 2.97
13 72.4% Estonian + 27.6% Irish @ 2.98
14 71.9% Estonian + 28.1% South_Dutch @ 3.01
15 69.7% Estonian + 30.3% North_Dutch @ 3.04
16 67.3% Estonian + 32.7% North_German @ 3.04
17 71.7% Estonian + 28.3% Orcadian @ 3.08
18 58.5% Lithuanian + 41.5% North_German @ 3.12
19 73.3% Estonian + 26.7% West_Scottish @ 3.15
20 71.6% Estonian + 28.4% West_German @ 3.17

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:37 PM

I'm aware they were post-WWII refugees.

Some of them still live in Poland.

And these who are now in Germany - it is possible that they stayed in Poland even until the 1980s or 1990s and then emigrated.

There were big waves of emigration to Germany for economic reasons as you know, not necessarily connected to ethnicity at all.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:40 PM

This has probably already been seen, but here's another Lauenburg-Stolp result that came up as a match of Creoda's above. One great-grandparent and one 2x great-grandparent from just across the border in West Prussia. Much the same genetically.

Thanks! Interesting find.

What you can do now is try the feature "People who match one or both of two kits" - and use both kits.

This will most likely show us matches from the same region, at least among the top closest matches.

Jana

01-21-2022, 03:41 PM

Smitty

01-21-2022, 03:42 PM

Some of them still live in Poland.

And these who are now in Germany - it is possible that they stayed in Poland even until the 1980s or 1990s and then emigrated.

There were big waves of emigration to Germany for economic reasons as you know, not necessarily connected to ethnicity at all.

I very much doubt it. I've read a little bit about some of the most Slavic villages in the Stolp area, and town after town, the natives were expelled after World War II.

Jana

01-21-2022, 03:44 PM

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Can you just piss off? You are a plague that destroys every thread with your gibberish. Person is a German, not a Pole, not a Kashub, except in your feeble mind.
Stop butchering the thread with your delusional constructions.

We had enough of your s***.

Leto

01-21-2022, 03:47 PM

And the surname is not Germanic (Piotr is a Slavic name, while Peter is a German name).

I think Piotr was borrowed from Russian (Pyotr/Пётр). In Czech, Slovak and South Slavic it is Petr.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:49 PM

Kit ZL5459187

Where are these places: Philippsruh/Gro, Neuhof/Gro, Gro and Borrowila ???

Leto

01-21-2022, 03:49 PM

Why do you use outdated Oracles? It's annoying. And when you say Oberbayern, does it means 4/4 grandparents from there or what?
I want to know which samples can be used and which not, so it needs to be specified.
I'm just posting whatever I have or find interesting, you don't have to add it to anything. The thread is about German GEDmatch results. Also you are free to use whatever models you like.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:50 PM

I very much doubt it. I've read a little bit about some of the most Slavic villages in the Stolp area, and town after town, the natives were expelled after World War II.

As I told you the 1950 census showed that there were 9370 pre-war autochthons in Słupsk County, and that was 11% of the population.

Many of them later emigrated to Germany, but some as late as the 1980s or 1990s. And in 1950 there were still 9370.

If you PM me your email address I will send you something (Excel spreadsheet with numbers of autochthons per county in 1950 census).

I don't have a breakdown by towns or villages, though.

Jana

01-21-2022, 03:51 PM

I'm just posting whatever I have or find interesting, you don't have to add it to anything. The thread is about German GEDmatch results. Also you are free to use whatever models you like.

We are always collecting new samples, so you don't need to make it extra difficult. Just state where person is from to be clear, simple.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 03:53 PM

Can you just piss off?

Nope, I can't.

Smitty

01-21-2022, 04:01 PM

Where are these places: Philippsruh/Gro, Neuhof/Gro, Gro and Borrowila ???

This genealogy site covers the same family and lists Philippsruh and Neuhof as part of Gross Rakitt and Borrowila as being in Borreck in Kreis Karthaus, West Prussia (there is a Borrowilass near to Borreck).

https://www.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/2003-January/001383.html

Peterski

01-21-2022, 04:27 PM

This genealogy site covers the same family and lists Philippsruh and Neuhof as part of Gross Rakitt and Borrowila as being in Borreck in Kreis Karthaus, West Prussia (there is a Borrowilass near to Borreck).

https://www.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/2003-January/001383.html

Borreck is now known as Borek Kamienny. And Borrowilass is maybe Borkowo? I will check this.

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BTW, I mentioned Stefan Ramułt on previous page of this discussion. He published (in 1899) exact data on ethnicity viillage by village and town by town in Kashubia, as of 1892. I do not have his book so I can't check the data for all counties, but I found some of his data in the internet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Ramu%C5%82t

This covers mainly the coastal part of Kashubia (from Sopot / Zoppot to Białogóra / Wittenberg):

Division into counties is based on modern county borders, population numbers are for year 1892:

Legend:

Polish/Kashub - number of Kashubian&Polish-speakers in 1892
Catholic DE - number of Catholic German-speakers in 1892
Protestant DE - number of Protestant German-speakers in 1892
Jewish - number of Jews (mainly in Puck/Putzig, Sopot/Zoppot)
Others - other inhabitants / Total population / % Polish/Kashub

https://i.imgur.com/vS4s3jY.png

Note that Catholic DE could be German-speaking (Germanized) Kashubs/Poles, because they existed only in bigger towns.

Well, at least I suppose that Catholic German-speakers from Puck would have more Slavic DNA, than Protestant Germans.

Here is a map related to that table, also showing Inter-War Polish-German and Polish-Danzig borders (red lines):

Black lines are modern county & city borders.

Legend:

Blue dots = Protestant German majority settlement
Red dots = Polish/Kashubian majority settlement
Orange dots = Poles + Catholic Germans = majority

https://i.imgur.com/XWo7DdR.png

^^^
Gdynia did not exist as a city back then, but there was a number of villages in the area which later became the city.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 06:53 PM

And do you want to declare this average ethnic German from Eastern Farther Pomerania a non-German?

Was Georg Hassel some kind of a Polish nationalist etc. in your opinion?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Hassel

If not, then why don't you trust his numbers which tell us, that Pommern was not only German, but also 1/10 Slavic:

https://i.imgur.com/vydAc2o.png

So according to Hassel there were 65,000 Kashubians & Wends in the whole Provinz Pommern in year 1819. Zygmunt Szultka, a modern Polish author, wrote that roughly at that time (early 1800s) Kashubs were >55% of all inhabitants in Kreise Lauenburg & Butow and >25% in Kreis Stolp.

I think it is very likely that a random person from there has ~100% Kashubian/Wend ancestors as of the early 1800s.

In other words - it is possible that in the early 1800s all of such a person's ancestors were Slavic-speakers.

Peterski

01-21-2022, 07:12 PM

In fact I almost always use German sources from Pre-Bismarck times to support my opinions, and yet I still get criticized by German nationalists or their Axis minions. It just shows how much German nationalists have become brainwashed starting from the Bismarck era onwards.

You swallowed so much of anti-Polish bullshit from your books, textbooks, media, etc. that it is now hard to find a common ground for discussion.

German nationalists would need to burn all post-1871 books about Polish-German history, and go to the basics.

rothaer

01-21-2022, 07:13 PM

Borrowilass is Borowy Las.

rothaer

01-21-2022, 07:20 PM

To determine the ethnicity of a today testee there is referred to 1800 AD ethnic figures?(!) :picard1:

Peterski

01-21-2022, 07:29 PM

To determine the ethnicity of a today testee there is referred to 1800 AD ethnic figures?(!) :picard1:

So why the heck did you research your family tree back to the 1500s, if you don't care about your ethnicity even before 1850?! :)

I mean you told me about your ancestors from the 1500s and 1600s.

If anything before 1950 (or 1900?) does not matter, then what's the purpose of searching for ancestors as far back as possible?

Peterski

01-21-2022, 08:25 PM

Around 1800 doesn't seem like a distant past to me.

rothaer

01-21-2022, 08:46 PM

So why the heck did you research your family tree back to the 1500s, if you don't care about your ethnicity even before 1850?! :)
I mean you told me about your ancestors from the 1500s and 1600s.
If anything before 1950 (or 1900?) does not matter, then what's the purpose of searching for ancestors as far back as possible?

Do you think an ancestry researcher that is researching 500 years back in an English county f. i. does this to find out his own ethnicity?

98% of all people in Europe know their ethnicity without any research. They can just ask their family or even their neighbors.

I think you don't know what ethnicity is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

You seem to confuse the ethnicity of an individual with the ethnicity of it's ancestors. Albeit there is a connection, it's not the same. You can have 100 different ethnicities among your ancestors, but you can not have 100 different ethnicities yourself. Maybe that helps.

Peterski

01-22-2022, 08:13 AM

You seem to confuse the ethnicity of an individual with the ethnicity of it's ancestors. Albeit there is a connection, it's not the same. You can have 100 different ethnicities among your ancestors, but you can not have 100 different ethnicities yourself. Maybe that helps.

I know the difference.

But if I made a shocking discovery that 200 years ago all of my ancestors living at that time were Ukrainians, I would never use my DNA as a reference for ethnic Poles. While you have no problem with using Germans whose ancestors "recently converted from Slavs to Germans" as ethnic German references...

And if I had 100 different ethnicities among ancestors, I would be too mixed to be used as a reference.
(unless most of other Poles would also have 100 different ethnicities - in such case I would be typical)

Jana

01-22-2022, 09:37 AM

Nope, I can't.

It's a pity you don't. You reek of insecurity and uncurable inferiority complex.

Smitty

01-22-2022, 02:09 PM

I know the difference.

But if I made a shocking discovery that 200 years ago all of my ancestors living at that time were Ukrainians, I would never use my DNA as a reference for ethnic Poles. While you have no problem with using Germans whose ancestors "recently converted from Slavs to Germans" as ethnic German references...

And if I had 100 different ethnicities among ancestors, I would be too mixed to be used as a reference.
(unless most of other Poles would also have 100 different ethnicities - in such case I would be typical)

Except no one is using Hinterpommern samples as German references, only as Hinterpommern German references. There is a clear difference. Whether or not they were ethnic Slavs 200 years ago, they consider themselves Germans now and have done so for the last 200 years. They are literally ethnic Germans from Hinterpommern, just as Volga Germans would still be Volga Germans even if they had absorbed Russian blood and Anglo-Americans are Anglo-Americans, even with a sizable quantum of German ancestry. So it is fair, even proper, to use them as ethnic German references. Whether or not they are proper Germans is another discussion.

Leto

01-23-2022, 09:40 PM

This man lives in Norddeutschland. The two kits yield almost the same results.

Ancestry
North_Atlantic 39.23 Pct
Baltic 36.39 Pct
West_Med 11.04 Pct
West_Asian 4.61 Pct
East_Med 6.34 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.12 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.45 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.1 Pct

SNPs used in this evaluation: 171910.

MyHeritage
North_Atlantic 40.07 Pct
Baltic 36.16 Pct
West_Med 9.92 Pct
West_Asian 4.3 Pct
East_Med 6.26 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.04 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct

SNPs used in this evaluation: 77773.

Jana

01-23-2022, 10:08 PM

NW German entirely from lower Saxony. Mostly, but not fully from East Frisia (a quarter is from elsewhere in the state)

North_Atlantic 50.19 Pct
Baltic 28.38 Pct
West_Med 9.64 Pct
West_Asian 8.32 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.1 Pct
South_Asian 1.21 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.15 Pct
Amerindian 0.4 Pct
Oceanian 0.59 Pct
Northeast_African 1.01 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to:

3.34808901 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.57477272 Icelandic
3.73978609 Norwegian
4.17355963 Danish
4.29309911 Norwegian_Southcentral
4.39514505 Swedish_Götaland
5.25413171 Swedish_West-Svealand
5.26536798 German_Westphalia
5.44091904 Dutch_North
5.46298453 Scottish_Gàidhealtachd
5.47156285 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.96923781 German_Schleswig-Holstein
6.25932904 Swedish
6.34648722 German_Hamburg
6.47604818 Dutch_Central
6.48938364 Irish_Connacht
6.71920382 Scottish_Northeast
6.75288087 Orcadian
6.83556874 Scottish_Southwest
6.84703586 Dutch
6.93791756 Scottish
7.01330878 Irish
7.01828327 Irish_Munster
7.09064877 Scottish_East
7.23469419 Irish_Leinster

Distance: 2.5531% / 2.55313267

59.7 Norwegian
19.1 Irish_Ulster
12.1 German_Frisian
4.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
4.3 Dargin
0.2 Latvian

Peterski

01-24-2022, 12:59 AM

(...)

And maybe that's why geneticists do not use the category of "ethnicity", but the category of "population".

And these "Wenden und Kassuben" are not the same population as other Germans from Hinterpommern.

They are descended from 65,000 "Wenden und Kassuben" who lived in eastern Pommern in 1819 (according to Georg Hassel). Also they did not all magically start to consider themselves German 200 years ago, many of them preserved their Slavicness until the end of Hinterpommern's existence (1945).

Among these who preserved their Slavic language & identity until post-WW2 times, are Klucken villagers (see below).

Peterski

01-24-2022, 01:08 AM

98% of all people in Europe know their ethnicity without any research. They can just ask their family or even their neighbors.

And maybe that's why geneticists do not use the category of "ethnicity" but the category of "population".

"Wenden und Kassuben" from eastern parts of Pommern are clearly a distinct population of their own.

My goal when looking for kits from Stolp/Lauenburg/Butow etc. was to find such Slavic-descended people.

Of course, if people from Klucken ever decide to test (I told you about it), it will be interesting to compare.

If Klucken villagers turn out to be noticeably more Slavic-shifted, I will admit that these kits are Germans.

In such case I will discard these kits and I'll use Klucken villagers as a reference for Hinterpommern Slavs.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 01:19 AM

(...)

You don't know shit but post arrogant comments.

My goal when looking for kits from Stolp/Lauenburg/Butow etc. was to find such Slavic-descended people.

I even invested some money into this research, I sponsored two DNA test kits for Klucken Museum in 2019.

Klucken is where a Slavic group known as Slovincians lived (and in some of neighbouring villages as well).

Because of the pandemic, they have not tested yet (because they visit Klucken every Summer, but not in 2020 and 2021).

If Klucken villagers test and turn out to be noticeably more Slavic-shifted than these GEDmatch kits, I'll change my mind.

rothaer

01-24-2022, 02:09 AM

"Wenden und Kassuben" from eastern parts of Pommern are clearly a distinct population of their own.

Yes, they were due to their language when they existed.

My goal when looking for kits from Stolp/Lauenburg/Butow etc. was to find such Slavic-descended people.

I know your obsession. You seem not to really have understood that you find Slavic-descended people in roughly half of the German people emeregence area and that the late Germanisation of the Slavs in Eastern Hinterpommern is nothing special but just one later step of what happened continously since abt. 700 years in the frame of the German Ostsiedlung. Now, depending on the exact settlememt history these areas are not homogenous in the aspect of proportion of Slavic ancestry in the population. But the process of ethnic conversion in the Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow area is not isolated, but has happened in a number of places. If there would be visible a genetically distict population, I would gladly make them a region of their own. Now, the kits from Eastern Hinterpommern are more Slavic-like than these from Western Hinterpommern. The "problem" is, that Central Hinterpommern seems to be intermediate between these two parts, which means that Hinterpommern as for now looks like a section of a cline. In such a case you could always make three (or five or ten) parts with different averages and this is possible here too. Currently we have the province Pommern already split up in Vorpommern and Hinterpommern and the comparably high number of German regions have been criticized as too fine grained. In this context I'm not sure if it's meaningful to split Hinterpommern up in three regions. We have smaller regions, f. i. in Thuringia, but just because we don't know the genetic in Western Thuringia and we want to be careful. But in Hinterpommern it looks like a "normal" cline. More kits are appreciated and they can be re-grouped at any time if there seem to be a factual cause for that. As you know I've no problem with having genetically different regions with visible genetic borders separate, like Upper Silesia and Masuria, which both have very Slavic-like genetics. So I would gladly do the same for Lauenburg-Bütow-Stolp if it turns out to be anything else than a sole continuation of the cline.

In such case I will discard these kits and I'll use Klucken villagers as a reference for Hinterpommern Slavs.

Why don't you just use them for what they are, Leba-Kaschuben or Slowinzen? I don't understand why you in a MyTrueAncestry-manner want to project your imaginations to things that you don't know for sure and hence mix facts with educated guesses.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 03:02 AM

Yes, they were due to their language when they existed.

Not only language, also genetics (do you think there was no difference, really?). And they were not the same reproductive community (at least as long as they maintained their Slavic language they married with other Slavic-speakers from neighbouring villages, not with Germans).

You once said that Germans in West Prussia & Poles in West Prussia differed genetically (I think that was when we discussed my Ancestry.com results when I scored "Pomorze" genetic community, and you wondered what it means, as in your opinion there were two different communities).

Do you seriously think that Wends/Kashubs and Germans in Pommern were not two different communities, but one?

Why this difference compared to West Prussian situation?

I know your obsession.

Why an obsession and not a hobby?

Your search for kits from every small German sub-group is also an obsession, I don't see any difference between our obsessions.

The difference is maybe that I'm also interested in other ethnicities/populations than my own.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 03:07 AM

You seem not to really have understood that you find Slavic-descended people in roughly half of the German people emeregence area and that the late Germanisation of the Slavs in Eastern Hinterpommern is nothing special but just one later step of what happened continously since abt. 700 years in the frame of the German Ostsiedlung.

Maybe I should have been more precise - my goal was to find 100% Wendish-descended people, untouched by the Ostsiedlung.

I know that all East Germans have West Slavic ancestry, but this is usually around 25-65% admixture, not even close to 100%.

But in Eastern Hinterpommern as you know there was no any rural Ostsiedlung - just like in case of Latvia & Estonia (Livonia).

No German peasants settled there. At least not during the Middle Ages.

So these people should be "living fossils" of Early Medieval Pomeranians.

Now, the kits from Eastern Hinterpommern are more Slavic-like than these from Western Hinterpommern. The "problem" is, that Central Hinterpommern seems to be intermediate between these two parts, which means that Hinterpommern as for now looks like a section of a cline.

That's maybe because in Central Hinterpommern the number of German peasants was about half of that in West Hinterpommern.

But, as I wrote above, in Eastern Hinterpommern this number was actually zero, as far as I know.

BTW what do you count as Central Hinterpommern & how do these results look like (how many kits)?

In such a case you could always make three (or five or ten) parts with different averages and this is possible here too. Currently we have the province Pommern already split up in Vorpommern and Hinterpommern and the comparably high number of German regions have been criticized as too fine grained. In this context I'm not sure if it's meaningful to split Hinterpommern up in three regions. We have smaller regions, f. i. in Thuringia, but just because we don't know the genetic in Western Thuringia and we want to be careful. But in Hinterpommern it looks like a "normal" cline. More kits are appreciated and they can be re-grouped at any time if there seem to be a factual cause for that. As you know I've no problem with having genetically different regions with visible genetic borders separate, like Upper Silesia and Masuria, which both have very Slavic-like genetics. So I would gladly do the same for Lauenburg-Bütow-Stolp if it turns out to be anything else than a sole continuation of the cline.

BTW, Draheim Land had no impact on genetics in Pommern? It almost cut Pommern into two parts:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308816-Regions-of-Pomerania-amp-Prussia-according-to-German-1858-book&p=6370870&viewfull=1#post6370870

Why don't you just use them for what they are, Leba-Kaschuben or Slowinzen? I don't understand why you in a MyTrueAncestry-manner want to project your imaginations to things that you don't know for sure and hence mix facts with educated guesses.

OK, I agree, Leba-Kaschuben/Slowinzen designation is fine. But it is also well-known that they are a remnant of a larger population.

Smitty

01-24-2022, 04:26 AM

And maybe that's why geneticists do not use the category of "ethnicity", but the category of "population".

And these "Wenden und Kassuben" are not the same population as other Germans from Hinterpommern.

They are descended from 65,000 "Wenden und Kassuben" who lived in eastern Pommern in 1819 (according to Georg Hassel). Also they did not all magically start to consider themselves German 200 years ago, many of them preserved their Slavicness until the end of Hinterpommern's existence (1945).

Among these who preserved their Slavic language & identity until post-WW2 times, are Klucken villagers (see below).

11% of County Stolp, 8.5% of County Lauenburg (according to the data you sent me, and a grand total of about 13,000 people, a good number of whom weren't even native to these counties but to Danzig, Koeslin, and East Prussia) were natives who remained post-WWII. Clearly the vast majority of these areas had come to consider themselves German, either because they actually had German ancestry or because they had "converted."

Jana

01-24-2022, 08:48 AM

In such case I will discard these kits and I'll use Klucken villagers as a reference for Hinterpommern Slavs.

No, you don't get to decide. Sample with 38 North Atlantic is certainly not Polish but eastern German. And guess what, it's geneaology says the same.
Your fantasies and imaginations play no part.

And you won't get any kind of information about the samples. None.

rothaer

01-24-2022, 09:04 AM

Not only language, also genetics (do you think there was no difference, really?). And they were not the same reproductive community (at least as long as they maintained their Slavic language they married with other Slavic-speakers from neighbouring villages, not with Germans).

You once said that Germans in West Prussia & Poles in West Prussia differed genetically (I think that was when we discussed my Ancestry.com results when I scored "Pomorze" genetic community, and you wondered what it means, as in your opinion there were two different communities).

Do you seriously think that Wends/Kashubs and Germans in Pommern were not two different communities, but one?

Why this difference compared to West Prussian situation?

The main difference is that there is a division into Protestants and Catholics in West Prussia, while in Eastern Farther Pomerania basically both groups are Protestants (I know there are exceptions from this).

Nevertheless the Slavic speakers in Eastern Hinterpommern will have been a separate reproduction community. But due to the continous Germanisation within the frame of Ostsiedlung the nearby Germans will not long ago have been within the same reproduction community as the Protestant Kashubs, because they themselves descend from Slavic speaking Pomeranians. The German Pomeranians will have some old-German admixture, but I assume the same for the Slavic speaking Protestant Kashubs. Protestant Kashubs and nearby German Pomeranians will have been basically the same genetically.

Based on the current data I have, the population of Lauenburg-Bütow-Stolp looks like a part of the cline just. But I'm open to deviating finds. If they are just a part of the cline you could cut out an arbitrary area, that then would have a deviating average and would look like something of it's own. But without actually being it.

More data for farther insights is welcomed, of course.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 09:28 AM

No, you don't get to decide.

I wasn't talking about Vahaduo, you can label them as you want in Vahaduo.

I was talking about my own purposes.

38 North Atlantic is certainly not Polish but eastern German

Not true, 38 is low for Germans, but Kashubians can have 38 North Atlantic.

The German Pomeranians will have some old-German admixture, but I assume the same for the Slavic speaking Protestant Kashubs.

Based on what do you assume this ??? And what do you mean by old-German, something like from the 1200s ???

Or German from Altdeutschland?

Protestant Kashubs and nearby German Pomeranians will have been basically the same genetically.

I think this is debatable and I think you have no strong evidence that this is the case.

Jana

01-24-2022, 09:46 AM

I wasn't talking about Vahaduo, you can label them as you want in Vahaduo.

I was talking about my own purposes.

We labeled them what they are, ethnic Germans. Hopefully none will buy your fraudulent data.

Not true, 38 is low for Germans

False. It is normal score for Germans, not for for Poles.

but Kashubians can have 38 North Atlantic.
Guess what, they are mongrelized with German(ics). That's why only Kashubian member here looks like a stereotype of a German :laugh:

Peterski

01-24-2022, 10:01 AM

I use geographic labels not ethnic labels anyway. I will label them what they are, geographically.

Guess what, they are mongrelized with German(ics).

Most Poles have some Germanic admixture.

What distinguishes Kashubians first of all is that they have low amounts of South European DNA.

If you have low amount of Southern admixtures, your Baltic % and North Atlantic % both go up.

rothaer

01-24-2022, 10:37 AM

11% of County Stolp, 8.5% of County Lauenburg (according to the data you sent me, and a grand total of about 13,000 people, a good number of whom weren't even native to these counties but to Danzig, Koeslin, and East Prussia) were natives who remained post-WWII. Clearly the vast majority of these areas had come to consider themselves German, either because they actually had German ancestry or because they had "converted."

When Germans were expelled from Eastern Germany, there were some territories, where the contemporary "Tomenables" considered the population to be of basically full Slavic origin. Such areas were Upper Silesia, Masuria and easternmost part of Hinterpommern. People were then given the possibility to declare themselves Poles (I don't know the exact content of that declaration) and then they could keep their possessions and stay. All other were robbed everything and expelled. So you may consider how much such declarations reflected the real opinon of people or where motivated by something else.

The figures mentioned by Tomenable are from 1950 and he told me that most of these few "autochtons" in Pomerania later left for Western Germany. He will likely confirm this. Maybe they just wanted to have the possibility to at least sell their property instead of getting completely robbed. Even the ethnic Slavic Slovincians/Leba-Kashubs later essentially all left for Western Germany. This is why Tomenable has problems seeing these people from the village of Klucken for testing.

It's weird that Tomenable is so much advocating for all this "surpressed" by Germans indigenous Slavs being Poles, while these deeply rooted Slavs themselves in fact even left their homeland to escape from Polish rule. They survived abt. 800 years within the HRE/German Empire (since 1180 AD), but not Polish rule.

rothaer

01-24-2022, 11:07 AM

Maybe I should have been more precise - my goal was to find 100% Wendish-descended people, untouched by the Ostsiedlung.

That would be fine.

I know that all East Germans have West Slavic ancestry, but this is usually around 25-65% admixture, not even close to 100%.
But in Eastern Hinterpommern as you know there was no any rural Ostsiedlung - just like in case of Latvia & Estonia (Livonia).
No German peasants settled there. At least not during the Middle Ages.

I'm not sure. In this map there is some old-German settlement depicted in the 14th century (yellow):

https://i.imgur.com/xvsTCtT.jpg

That's maybe because in Central Hinterpommern the number of German peasants was about half of that in West Hinterpommern.

Yes, that sounds plausible.

BTW what do you count as Central Hinterpommern & how do these results look like (how many kits)?

Unfortunately just one. It's the middle one, so you can say Kolberg-Schievelbein. Flatow was in Pomerania after the dissolution of the Grenzmark.

Farther_Pomerania:Kr_Regenwalde,39.69,36.35,11.11, 7.11,1.93,0.33,2,0,0,0,0.07,1.35,0.07
Farther_Pomerania:Regenwalde_Wollin,39.38,35.58,9. 82,7.69,5.91,0,0,0,0,0,0.65,0,0.97
Farther_Pomerania:2/4_Kr. Kolberg-Körlin_1/4 Schievelbein_1/4_Flatow ,41.08,37.71,8.71,4.46,1.57,3.05,1.56,0.63,0,0.41, 0.1,0.72,0
Farther_Pomerania:Lauenburg_Stolp1,40.01,38.2,8.46 ,3.88,3.6,1.86,1.64,0,0.13,0.89,0.62,0.68,0
Farther_Pomerania Lauenburg_Stolp2,37.98,42.63,9.68,1.48,6.76,0,0,0. 8,0,0.07,0,0.38,0.22

BTW, Draheim Land had no impact on genetics in Pommern? It almost cut Pommern into two parts:

I don't know. Afaik it was sparsely populated and the area was involved in Ostsiedlung like neighboring regions, maybe just somewhat later, in the 14th century, see map above.

OK, I agree, Leba-Kaschuben/Slowinzen designation is fine. But it is also well-known that they are a remnant of a larger population.

Yes. The Kashub term was even once present in Western Mecklenburg and "migrated" in steps till today's Kashubia. My Pomeranian German ancestors that eventually settled in Central Poland were called Kashubs by other Germans as well as by Poles. This was actually not wrong, but will have been derived from an earlier meaning of Kashubs. Today's Kashubs were not called Kashubs before the 16th century. Till then a central part of Hinterpommern, the land around Belgard, was called Cassubia.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 11:09 AM

I do not consider Communist rule as Polish rule, even if many of those Communists who ruled were Polish: they still had to listen to orders from Moscow.

Probably there is a reason why those autochthons who emigrated from Communist Poland, emigrated to West Germany, not to Communist East Germany.

If Poland after WW2 was also divided into two parts - American-influenced democratic vs. Communist - maybe they would emigrate to "American Poland".

He will likely confirm this.

Yes the majority from Stolp county & further west probably emigrated. But those in Butow & Lauenburg counties mostly stayed & integrated with Kashubs.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 11:35 AM

The Kashub term (...) "migrated" in steps till today's Kashubia. (...) Today's Kashubs were not called Kashubs before the 16th century.

We actually don't know this. I think today the prevailing opinion is that all Pomeranians were called Kashubs.

It was not the term that "migrated", but the places where it was recorded (by migrating Germans, usually).

So the term "Kashubs" could apply to the whole Pomerania since the beginning - not just to various pieces.

rothaer

01-24-2022, 12:20 PM

I do not consider Communist rule as Polish rule (...)

Your acrobacy opens completely new perspectives: I don't consider nationalsocialist rule as German rule. :)

But seruiously, the communist rule in GDR didn't harm the Sorbs too much, so why should it then be the aspect of communism that made essentially all Slovincians leave their homeland? Also, I can guarantee that there were no orders from Moscow how to treat particularly Slovincians.

You want to hear my interpretation? The Slovincians did not just experience the well known unpleasant intolerant Polish-Catholic chauvinsim, but these indigenous Slavs also felt completely lost in an ocean of alienating Poles, while they had felt much more comfortable and close with their expelled German neighbors and blood relatives that all were of the same Slavic-Pomeranian stock (with maybe some old-German/Germanic influence). It is a complete overestimation of oneself, if you think that these indigenous Slavs would like to live among Poles.
Completely confused actually and ignorant towards all insights given by the various held post WWI plebiscites, especially regarding all Protestant indigenous Slavs in the German Empire. The Slavic Masurs in East Prussia said "dziekuje bardzo" to the proposal to join Poland and in the Allenstein area there was voted for the German Empire with 97.9% and in the Marienwerder area with 92.4% majority.
What part of this message "We don't want to be with you, stay away." is unclear to you?

rothaer

01-24-2022, 12:23 PM

We actually don't know this. I think today the prevailing opinion is that all Pomeranians were called Kashubs.

It was not the term that "migrated", but the places where it was recorded (by migrating Germans, usually).

So the term "Kashubs" could apply to the whole Pomerania since the beginning - not just to various pieces.

You mean without the German Kulturträgers it's unlikely that there was at all anything respective written up? Maybe.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 01:05 PM

I don't consider nationalsocialist rule as German rule. :)

That is a completely different situation:

1) Communist Poland was a satelite of the USSR, and orders came from Moscow.

2) Nazi Germany was not anyone's satelite state, and all orders were from Berlin.

Perhaps only Austrians can claim that it was occupation and add their old saying:

"Es gibt nur ein Kaiserstadt es gibt nur ein Wien es gibt nur ein Rauberloch das ist Berlin."

"surpressed" by Germans indigenous Slavs

Not all Germans suppressed Slavs. Austrians didn't. In the Austrian Empire all Slavs enjoyed cultural autonomy and there were no efforts to Germanize them. This is why for example in Poland the times of Austrian rule are remembered neutrally-to-positively, while both Russian and Prussian rule - negatively.

There was a huge contrast in the ways Austria vs. Prussia treated Slavs and in their policies towards their Slavic citizens.

Peterski

01-24-2022, 01:20 PM

Rothaer do you consider Communist East Germany as a fully independent country?

rothaer

01-24-2022, 01:27 PM

Rothaer do you consider Communist East Germany as a fully independent country?

No.

Roy

01-24-2022, 02:04 PM

Jana

01-24-2022, 03:10 PM

Not all Germans suppressed Slavs. Austrians didn't. In the Austrian Empire all Slavs enjoyed cultural autonomy and there were no efforts to Germanize them. This is why for example in Poland the times of Austrian rule are remembered neutrally-to-positively, while both Russian and Prussian rule - negatively.

Not exactly. Quite many other Slavs were very unsatisfied with Austrian rule. Neoabsolutist Era was the worst.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Austria/Neoabsolutist-era-1849-60

later random examples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celje_First_Grammar_School

It was the first high school built in the region, established in 1808 by the Austrian Empire. Initially, the language of instruction was only German, although the great majority of the pupils came from the Slovene Lands. In 1895, the first classes with Slovene as the language of instruction were established. German nationalists in Austria-Hungary fiercely opposed this move, which resulted in a government crisis and fall of the cabinet of prince Alfred III. zu Windisch-Grätz.

rothaer

01-24-2022, 03:13 PM

I think rothaer has some agenda, but you do have a little bit of one too. :coffee:

Oh, I even let Peterska's tantrum uncommented, because I got worried about my library.

Just this comment: If I do have an agenda, however, book burning is not part of it. :P

Roy

01-24-2022, 08:59 PM

No.

I suspect that you are old enough to remember DDR. What was the biggest cultural shock for people from East Germany after reunification?

Leto

01-24-2022, 09:17 PM

From NRW (Wesel district). Looks very Germanic to me

North_Atlantic 49.61 Pct
Baltic 27.11 Pct
West_Med 11.03 Pct
West_Asian 5.63 Pct
East_Med 0.94 Pct
Red_Sea 1.84 Pct
South_Asian 2.03 Pct
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian 0.86 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.68 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Sven
2.47933459 German_Lower_Saxony_North
2.77402235 Icelandic
3.10525361 Danish
3.21474727 Dutch_North
3.45437404 Norwegian_Southcentral
3.45729663 Swedish_Götaland
3.49634094 Norwegian
3.65998634 German_Westphalia
3.72096762 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.76167516 Dutch_Central
3.89345605 German_Lower_Saxony_South
4.16810509 Dutch
4.31821722 Scottish_G?idhealtachd
4.46161406 Orcadian
4.55175790 Swedish_West-Svealand
4.82950308 Scottish_Northeast
5.03736042 English_North
5.07114386 German_Hamburg
5.10270516 Swedish
5.19977884 Scottish

Target: Sven
Distance: 1.2511% / 1.25106890 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.8 Irish_Ulster
31.8 German_East_Prussia_Central
13.4 Icelandic
1.4 Arunthathiyar
0.5 Yakut
0.1 Aboriginal_Australian

Target: Sven
Distance: 2.0172% / 2.01719570 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.2 Icelandic
39.3 German_Lower_Saxony_North
9.4 Dutch_Central
1.1 Arunthathiyar

Don't know what Arun is, never seen it before.

Lucas

01-25-2022, 09:01 AM

I think should be helpful in this thread:)

https://i.redd.it/5gccxvlmbrd81.png

rothaer

01-25-2022, 09:38 AM

I suspect that you are old enough to remember DDR. What was the biggest cultural shock for people from East Germany after reunification?

I did not live in the DDR but was there as a visitor and three times even 2 weeks (visiting relatives). And a lot after the reunification, ofc.

As for your question I'd say: The insecurity of the own professional fate.

I think the biggest and lasting cultural shock will have been for DDR "elites". Not necessarly just political ones but also for these having higher level professions. Because most of them did not have a high intellectual level for pan German standards. (The population of the DDR had been devastated by abt. 1/4 of the population, regularly the most skilled ones, having emigrated to Western Germany.) The former DDR "elites" were later facing a more "normal" population structure, because a lot of intelligent and skilled people from Western Germany were coming (often coming back) and filling the gaps. This led to that you in the highest social layer sometimes have abt. 95% of the people coming from Western Germany (not necessarly in ancestry, but as for where they lived at the day of the fall of the Berlin wall). Of course this also has led to some social problems, but the inferiority of the former "elites" is so obvious and natural that the mentioned conditions today are fully accepted.

Lucas

01-25-2022, 10:24 AM

Confession maps, I am not accustomed to blue color for Catholics, in Polish maps is always the opposite for some reason:)

https://i.redd.it/o7nvqqrma3d81.jpg

Another map

https://i.redd.it/wiff0sp6hdr71.jpg

Lucas

01-25-2022, 10:26 AM

https://i.redd.it/wu1suz1ki9981.png

Lucas

01-25-2022, 10:27 AM

German election in 1907

https://i.redd.it/scscu8wrtn981.jpg

Lucas

01-25-2022, 10:30 AM

https://i.redd.it/57dkcdi4s9q71.png

Leto

01-25-2022, 11:56 AM

I did not live in the DDR but was there as a visitor and three times even 2 weeks (visiting relatives). And a lot after the reunification, ofc.
Ich dachte, dass du in Ostdeutschland geboren bist und auch dort wohnst. Da du in Westdeutschland aufgewachsen bist, musst du dir der Tatsache doch bewusst sein, dass ca. 40 Prozent aller Kinder in der BRD einen Migrationshintergrund haben. Also deine strikt exklusiven Rassenansichten sind nicht in der Wirklichkeit verwurzelt. Wenn dein Haus in Flammen steht, hast du nur das Wichtigste zu retten und alles andere, nämlich was nebensächlich ist, einfach brennen zu lassen, obwohl es dir ziemlich weh tun könnte. Die meisten AfD Anhänger, die ich gelesen/getroffen habe, sind meistens nur gegen den Islam, illegale Einwanderung und Asylmissbrauch und haben kein Problem mit Italienern, Polen, Serben, Russen usw. weil die leicht integrierbar bzw. assimilierbar sind.

rothaer

01-25-2022, 01:12 PM

Ich dachte, dass du in Ostdeutschland geboren bist und auch dort wohnst. Da du in Westdeutschland aufgewachsen bist, musst du dir der Tatsache doch bewusst sein, dass ca. 40 Prozent aller Kinder in der BRD einen Migrationshintergrund haben. Also deine strikt exklusiven Rassenansichten sind nicht in der Wirklichkeit verwurzelt. Wenn dein Haus in Flammen steht, hast du nur das Wichtigste zu retten und alles andere, nämlich was nebensächlich ist, einfach brennen zu lassen, obwohl es dir ziemlich weh tun könnte. Die meisten AfD Anhänger, die ich gelesen/getroffen habe, sind meistens nur gegen den Islam, illegale Einwanderung und Asylmissbrauch und haben kein Problem mit Italienern, Polen, Serben, Russen usw. weil die leicht integrierbar bzw. assimilierbar sind.

Ich bin in Skandinavien geboren und aufgewachsen und wohne in der vormaligen Zone. U. a. um meinen Kindern ein Aufwachsen in einer deutschen Umgebung zu ermöglichen, bin ich von Westdeutschland in den Osten gezogen. Aber das alles ist mehr anekdotisch und tut eigentlich nichts zur Sache.

Die genannte Tatsache ist mir bewußt und das Haus brennt. Ich habe keine "strikt exklusiven Rasseansichten". Im Gegenteil, ich stelle auf Volkszugehörigkeit ab und lehne eine Zusammengehörigkeit (oder Nicht-Zusammengehörigkeit) aufgrund einer typologischen Rasse ab. Das Leben vollzieht sich in Völkern als Naturtatsachen und nicht in ersonnenen typologischen Rassen. Ein Volk könnte theoretisch ewig leben. Die Volkszugehörigkeit hängt jedoch maßgeblich auch von der Abstammung ab. Ich bin entschieden gegen die Assimilation von den genannten zahlreichen Fremdvölkischen, weil sie das Erbgut meines Volkes nicht unerheblich verändern würde. Damit würde mein Volk, wie es ist, aufhören, zu bestehen. Es würde untergehen. Es wird mir gestattet sein, mit aller Kraft für den Erhalt meines Volkes einzutreten. Das halte ich für das natürlichste und begründetste Recht eines jeden Lebewesens.

Peterski

01-25-2022, 01:25 PM

I think should be helpful in this thread:)

https://i.redd.it/5gccxvlmbrd81.png

You posted a map showing 1921, what about 1910?

Czechoslovak 1921 census counted much less Germans than 1910 census diid.

In 1910 census the ethnic structure of Czechia was:

- 62.9% Czechs
- 34.6% Germans (= 3,487,208)
- 1.6% Poles
- 0.9% others

In 1921 census the ethnic structure of Czechia was:

- 67.3% Czechs
- 29.7% Germans (= 2,973,208)
- 0.7% Poles
- 2.3% others

So there were 514 thousand more Germans in 1910.

Mejgusu

01-25-2022, 01:43 PM

https://i.redd.it/57dkcdi4s9q71.png

Maybe interesting to know(maybe many of you already know it)this western light areas are the part where many Polish people migrated in the end of 19th century as miners. During this time the Polish people were a big minority there, nowadays they are assimilated.

Leto

01-25-2022, 01:47 PM

Ich bin in Skandinavien geboren und aufgewachsen und wohne in der vormaligen Zone. U. a. um meinen Kindern ein Aufwachsen in einer deutschen Umgebung zu ermöglichen, bin ich von Westdeutschland in den Osten gezogen. Aber das alles ist mehr anekdotisch und tut eigentlich nichts zur Sache.

Die genannte Tatsache ist mir bewußt und das Haus brennt. Ich habe keine "strikt exklusiven Rasseansichten". Im Gegenteil, ich stelle auf Volkszugehörigkeit ab und lehne eine Zusammengehörigkeit (oder Nicht-Zusammengehörigkeit) aufgrund einer typologischen Rasse ab. Das Leben vollzieht sich in Völkern als Naturtatsachen und nicht in ersonnenen typologischen Rassen. Ein Volk könnte theoretisch ewig leben. Die Volkszugehörigkeit hängt jedoch maßgeblich auch von der Abstammung ab. Ich bin entschieden gegen die Assimilation von den genannten zahlreichen Fremdvölkischen, weil sie das Erbgut meines Volkes nicht unerheblich verändern würde. Damit würde mein Volk, wie es ist, aufhören, zu bestehen. Es würde untergehen. Es wird mir gestattet sein, mit aller Kraft für den Erhalt meines Volkes einzutreten. Das halte ich für das natürlichste und begründetste Recht eines jeden Lebewesens.
Aber das keltische, slawische und natürlich germanische Blut ist den Deutschen grundsätzlich nicht fremd. Wenn du einen baltischblütigen Ostpreußen als Deutschen akzeptierst, warum kannst du auch einen halb Belgier, halb Polen, der deutsch spricht, nicht akzeptieren?
Lest du den Sezession-Blog? Es ist einer der wichtigsten neurechten Blogs in Deutschland. Deine ethnischen bzw. genetischen Kenntnisse würden dort sehr brauchbar sein.

Peterski

01-25-2022, 01:50 PM

Maybe interesting to know(maybe many of you already know it)this western light areas are the part where many Polish people migrated in end of 19th century as miners. During this time the Polish people were a big minority there, nowadays they are assimilated.

Yes, the so called Ruhrpolen!

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BTW for the "Polish Corridor" I put this data on Wikipedia (every possible census in period 1831-1931):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor#Historical_population

Schulzählung is a census of school kids. They were usually taking place one year after general censuses.

So for example you have the general population census of 1905, and the school children census of 1906.

Leto

01-25-2022, 01:52 PM

I guess those Polish Catholics assimilated after 2-3 generations, so by the time the Nazis invaded Poland they were already Germans.

Mejgusu

01-25-2022, 01:57 PM

Many of my friends and former classmates have partly ancestry from Poland, but I don’t think „Ruhrpolen“ but ethnic Germans, for example from Schlesien or Pommern. I even have Huguenot friends.

Mejgusu

01-25-2022, 01:59 PM

Tripple.

Mejgusu

01-25-2022, 02:04 PM

Double...

Peterski

01-25-2022, 02:07 PM

Yes there were huge numbers of Huguenot immigrants in Prussia. I'm surprised if e.g. Rothaer doesn't know this.

Berlin was once 1/3 French (Huguenot) city:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Huguenot_Refugees_in_Brandenburg_and_Berlin,_Germa ny

"By 1700 approximately 6,000 French Huguenots had settled in Berlin which was approximately one-third of the population at that time."

rothaer

01-25-2022, 02:28 PM

(...)

PM

rothaer

01-25-2022, 02:33 PM

Yes there were huge numbers of Huguenot immigrants in Prussia. I'm surprised if e.g. Rothaer doesn't know this. (...)

Why do you think that I might not know?

Smitty

01-26-2022, 05:01 AM

3/8 Stolp, 1/8 West Prussia, 1/2 West Hinterpommern

Kit HX4915903

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.73
2 Baltic 37.38
3 West_Med 9.36
4 East_Med 8.35
5 South_Asian 2.73
6 West_Asian 2.46
7 Siberian 0.7
8 Northeast_African 0.15
9 Oceanian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 7.75
2 North_Swedish 8.83
3 South_Polish 9.31
4 Austrian 9.51
5 Hungarian 9.51
6 Southwest_Finnish 9.7
7 Polish 11.46
8 Ukrainian 12.06
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.16
10 Swedish 12.23
11 Croatian 12.31
12 North_German 12.8
13 Belorussian 14.01
14 Finnish 14.29
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.43
16 Estonian_Polish 14.59
17 Danish 14.6
18 Norwegian 14.88
19 Southwest_Russian 14.94
20 Estonian 15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.3% Belorussian + 44.7% Southeast_English @ 3.81
2 54.3% Estonian_Polish + 45.7% Southeast_English @ 4.21
3 51.1% Belorussian + 48.9% Danish @ 4.38
4 53.5% Belorussian + 46.5% South_Dutch @ 4.47
5 50% Estonian_Polish + 50% Danish @ 4.49
6 52.3% Belorussian + 47.7% West_German @ 4.56
7 52.6% North_German + 47.4% Belorussian @ 4.58
8 53.7% Southwest_Russian + 46.3% Southeast_English @ 4.6
9 50.6% Danish + 49.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.69
10 58.7% Belorussian + 41.3% Southwest_English @ 4.7
11 55.5% Belorussian + 44.5% Orcadian @ 4.71
12 53.7% North_German + 46.3% Estonian_Polish @ 4.75
13 63.3% South_Polish + 36.7% Danish @ 4.76
14 50.4% Estonian + 49.6% West_German @ 4.76
15 54.6% Russian_Smolensk + 45.4% Southeast_English @ 4.78
16 52.4% Belorussian + 47.6% North_Dutch @ 4.8
17 50.7% Austrian + 49.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.83
18 54.8% West_German + 45.2% Lithuanian @ 4.89
19 51.3% Estonian_Polish + 48.7% North_Dutch @ 4.92
20 58.3% East_German + 41.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.93

And the West Hinterpommern mother:

Kit AF6731544

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.86
2 Baltic 31.55
3 West_Med 13.75
4 East_Med 7.3
5 South_Asian 2.12
6 West_Asian 1.32
7 Oceanian 0.69
8 Siberian 0.4
9 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 6.61
2 Austrian 7.58
3 North_German 8.41
4 Swedish 9
5 Danish 9.58
6 West_German 9.6
7 North_Swedish 9.66
8 South_Dutch 9.69
9 North_Dutch 10.03
10 Southeast_English 10.5
11 Norwegian 10.53
12 Hungarian 11.02
13 Orcadian 11.12
14 Irish 12.6
15 Southwest_English 12.7
16 West_Scottish 13.15
17 French 14.38
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.67
19 South_Polish 15.06
20 Croatian 15.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.9% Southeast_English + 32.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.76
2 67.6% Southeast_English + 32.4% Belorussian @ 3.86
3 63.8% Southeast_English + 36.2% Ukrainian @ 4.01
4 60% Southeast_English + 40% South_Polish @ 4.06
5 72.7% North_Swedish + 27.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.16
6 63.7% Southeast_English + 36.3% Polish @ 4.17
7 68.7% Southeast_English + 31.3% Southwest_Russian @ 4.22
8 68% Southeast_English + 32% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.23
9 84.9% North_Swedish + 15.1% Sardinian @ 4.36
10 70.7% North_Swedish + 29.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.42
11 50.5% French + 49.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.46
12 71.8% Southeast_English + 28.2% Lithuanian @ 4.46
13 63.8% Southeast_English + 36.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.49
14 70.6% South_Dutch + 29.4% Estonian @ 4.5
15 71.8% North_Swedish + 28.2% Portuguese @ 4.57
16 74.8% North_Swedish + 25.2% North_Italian @ 4.59
17 59.7% Southwest_Finnish + 40.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.59
18 62% South_Dutch + 38% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.62
19 71.5% North_Swedish + 28.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.65
20 75.2% North_Swedish + 24.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.67

Ajeje Brazorf

01-28-2022, 02:52 PM

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22512-De-Nederlandse-Praatbank&p=829458#post829458

Looks good. Maybe try adding these German samples and see where they plot?

German_Erlangen:GSM1658598,0.129758,0.133034,0.062 979,0.049096,0.038776,0.015897,0.00799,0.006231,0. 011453,-0.00492,-0.00406,0.001948,-0.001189,0.007707,0.00285,-0.005701,-0.0103,0.004434,0.001634,0.007379,-0.003119,0.001607,0.001356,0.00976,-0.000958
German_Erlangen:GSM1658599,0.135449,0.150298,0.051 288,0.033269,0.045547,0.00753,0.00141,-0.001846,0.007976,0.003098,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.000297,-0.005505,0.007193,0.003182,-0.000391,0.000887,0.005782,-0.000125,-0.004118,0.002597,-0.002588,0.008796,0.000718
German_Erlangen:GSM1658600,0.134311,0.133034,0.056 945,0.044251,0.048317,0.013387,0.008695,0.010615,0 .002454,-0.006743,-0.008282,-0.005245,-0.006095,0.000826,0.007872,0.007823,0.004303,-0.003674,0.004777,0.002501,0.003619,0.002473,0.002 342,0.007832,0.002754
German_Erlangen:GSM1658601,0.126344,0.13405,0.0599 62,0.038114,0.032006,0.015339,0.00705,0.006923,0.0 05727,-0.012392,-0.00341,-0.004496,-0.001338,0.002615,-0.001357,0.012861,0.020079,0.00114,0.002514,0.0056 28,-0.003494,-0.007666,-0.003944,0.00494,0.000359
German_Erlangen:GSM1658602,0.127482,0.137096,0.055 437,0.025194,0.038161,0.014502,0.008225,0.003923,0 .005113,0.002369,0.003735,0.007194,-0.003122,-0.007156,0.005157,0.012861,-0.00339,-0.000633,0.00176,0.000625,0.002246,0.006554,0.0062 86,-0.000843,0.002275
German_Erlangen:GSM1658603,0.134311,0.140143,0.052 797,0.034884,0.035391,0.010319,0.00188,-0.000692,0.004295,0.008201,-0.005359,0.014237,-0.007879,-0.001239,0.011265,-0.004641,-0.006519,-0.003294,0.004399,-0.007629,-0.004243,0.003957,-0.008011,0.006025,-0.004311
German_Erlangen:GSM1658604,0.130897,0.136081,0.058 454,0.036176,0.036314,0.009761,0.00282,0.006,-0.001636,0.000911,-0.005034,-0.003147,-0.001189,0.00055,-0.003393,-0.003713,-0.012517,-0.003801,0.005279,0.006128,-0.000499,-0.006183,0.003821,0,0.003832
German_Erlangen:GSM1658605,0.129758,0.137096,0.049 403,0.031008,0.043085,0.015618,0.002115,0.005307,0 .004704,0.006014,0.001461,0.004946,-0.003568,-0.005643,0.006379,0.001591,-0.000652,0.002787,0.004399,0.005378,0.003868,0.008 779,-0.003697,0.006989,-0.003712
German_Erlangen:GSM1658606,0.134311,0.136081,0.053 551,0.035853,0.040623,0.009203,0.00141,0.00923,0.0 11044,0.006925,0.00065,0.001349,-0.001338,0.005643,-0.000136,-0.009414,-0.014342,0.005321,-0.001006,-0.003627,-0.008984,-0.003957,0.00493,0.007471,-0.002515
German_Erlangen:GSM1658607,0.124067,0.136081,0.056 945,0.041667,0.029852,0.014223,0.012926,0.003231,0 .00225,0.002551,-0.000325,0.004646,-0.005203,-0.005505,0.019001,0.000928,-0.011865,0.005321,-0.001131,-0.007504,0.002745,0.001113,-0.002095,0.009278,-0.007065
German_Erlangen:GSM1658609,0.121791,0.13405,0.0554 37,0.034884,0.0397,0.022032,0.008225,0.008538,0.00 1841,-0.011663,-0.005521,0.005395,-0.000446,0.01445,0.004072,-0.005569,-0.00691,-0.000253,-0.000251,-0.007629,-0.00287,0.004822,0.009613,0.00482,0.007544
German_Erlangen:GSM1658610,0.12862,0.136081,0.0637 33,0.055233,0.044316,0.019243,0.00094,0.000923,0.0 06545,-0.003098,-0.006171,-0.004946,-0.002081,0.00234,0.000543,0.001989,0.005476,0.0079 81,0.005531,0.01038,0.004492,0.002968,-0.000123,0.006748,-0.007784
German_Erlangen:GSM1658611,0.124067,0.142174,0.052 797,0.034561,0.035083,0.004741,0.002585,0.002077,0 .008795,0.000729,0.00065,0.011989,-0.009514,-0.001789,0.006379,0.003182,-0.004824,0.004561,0.005908,0.003126,0.005366,0.000 371,-0.00419,0.012291,0.001796
German_Erlangen:GSM1658612,0.135449,0.132019,0.057 699,0.0323,0.044008,0.018128,0.00141,0.004384,0.00 0818,-0.00492,-0.00682,0.008093,-0.007582,-0.002477,0.002714,0.004243,0.002999,-0.002027,0.009427,0.001,-0.006364,0.000371,0.000123,0.011809,0.00491
German_Erlangen:GSM1658613,0.12862,0.14319,0.05242 ,0.031008,0.035083,-0.001116,0.000705,0.001846,0.005522,0.006378,-0.003248,0.00015,-0.006838,0.006881,0.001221,0.005171,-0.004955,0.001267,0.008799,0.00963,-0.002995,-0.009769,0.002465,0.008796,-0.001557
German_Erlangen:GSM1658614,0.126344,0.137096,0.054 305,0.03553,0.032621,0.013945,0.00846,0.002769,0.0 02454,-0.001093,-0.007632,-0.001049,-0.006987,0.00234,0.010043,0.001591,0.009388,-0.00228,0.000377,-0.001626,-0.003993,0.00643,0.002465,0.011447,0.001437
German_Erlangen:GSM1658615,0.12862,0.132019,0.0610 94,0.042313,0.0397,0.016455,0.003525,0.006231,0.00 9613,-0.007836,-0.001786,-0.002698,0.002379,0.015138,-0.0019,-0.006099,-0.012778,0.004941,0.001006,-0.003001,-0.00287,-0.002473,0.006902,0.001807,0.003952
German_Erlangen:GSM1658616,0.130897,0.140143,0.050 911,0.041667,0.030467,0.022032,0.00564,0.011076,0. 001432,-0.00328,0.001949,0.002997,-0.00773,-0.00055,0.004072,0.005569,-0.002477,0.000253,-0.00352,-0.002251,-0.00025,0.006677,0.002711,0.002048,-0.001557
German_Erlangen:GSM1658617,0.121791,0.144205,0.049 403,0.030039,0.044931,0.01004,0.00094,0.005077,0.0 11658,0.015126,-0.006333,0.005245,-0.00446,-0.003165,0.009772,0.017237,0.011995,0.002787,0.004 148,0.004377,-0.000873,0.004822,-0.000986,0.008555,-0.001557
German_Erlangen:GSM1658618,0.124067,0.131003,0.063 733,0.040375,0.0437,0.021196,0.010105,0.005769,0.0 00614,-0.004191,-0.00065,0.007943,-0.003568,-0.002752,0.005836,0.001724,-0.000652,0.006081,0.01081,-0.001501,0.000499,0.000618,-0.00037,0.008194,-0.005389
German_Erlangen:GSM1658620,0.127482,0.138112,0.062 602,0.035207,0.041854,0.012829,-0.000705,0.006923,0.010431,-0.002734,-0.007307,-0.001199,0.000297,0.001927,0.001629,-0.001989,-0.009648,0.004434,-0.00088,0.007253,-0.000749,0.005688,0.001356,0.014339,0.002634
German_Erlangen:GSM1658621,0.121791,0.128972,0.058 831,0.045866,0.043393,0.025379,0.00752,-0.001154,0.010431,-0.009476,-0.004547,-0.007044,-0.004311,0.004817,-0.00475,0.011535,-0.002868,-0.000633,0.004651,0.000125,0.002496,0.008656,0.009 49,0.005543,-0.002155
German_Erlangen:GSM1658622,0.137726,0.14319,0.0595 85,0.042959,0.0397,0.019243,0.005405,0.011999,0.00 8385,-0.000364,-0.008444,0.001199,0.001933,0.007019,0.000271,0.007 292,0.002477,0.003801,-0.003142,-0.009505,-0.004742,0.001978,0.000493,0.000602,0.008502
German_Erlangen:GSM1658623,0.126344,0.141159,0.063 733,0.043928,0.042777,0.009761,0.00329,0.003461,0. 003477,-0.002005,0.000162,-0.003447,0.005054,0.006193,0.00095,-0.007823,-0.003129,-0.0019,0.004525,0.000125,-0.002121,-0.000247,0.010599,-0.001446,0.00012
German_Erlangen:GSM1658625,0.124067,0.128972,0.051 666,0.031008,0.034776,0.011713,-0.00094,-0.000462,-0.002863,-0.005103,-0.008282,0.003897,-0.006095,-0.015001,0.011265,0.01432,0.024903,0.00266,-0.001006,0.003377,0.009109,0.004204,0.009367,0.013 134,-0.001557
German_Erlangen:GSM1658626,0.127482,0.142174,0.054 305,0.034561,0.039392,0.005299,0.00282,0.005077,0. 007772,0.006014,-0.000325,0.006894,-0.006244,-0.001101,-0.001764,0.001061,-0.001173,-0.000253,0.005279,-0.002751,-0.003743,0.001113,0.001232,0.009399,-0.005029
German_Erlangen:GSM1658627,0.130897,0.137096,0.059 208,0.032946,0.041854,0.009482,-0.001175,0.009,0.000409,0.002551,-0.00341,0.003897,-0.003717,0.003991,-0.000271,-0.013392,-0.01695,0.006081,0.007793,-0.008254,-0.002371,-0.001484,0.000246,0.005904,0
German_Erlangen:GSM1658628,0.126344,0.13405,0.0437 46,0.02907,0.037545,0.01506,0.003525,0.008307,-0.002863,0.002916,-0.002598,-0.000749,-0.007879,-0.002202,0.011943,0.002387,0.004172,-0.000507,0.000251,-0.001876,0.00287,0.003339,0.006286,0.011327,0.0015 57
German_Erlangen:GSM1658631,0.126344,0.140143,0.047 14,0.029393,0.036622,0.015618,-0.003995,0.003231,-0.005931,0.001093,-0.00682,0.001349,-0.005203,0.004542,-0.001221,0.003978,-0.011995,0.008868,0.006536,-0.008004,0.003868,-0.005812,-0.000863,0.000241,-0.000239
German_Erlangen:GSM1658632,0.12862,0.128972,0.0584 54,0.048127,0.035699,0.020638,0.008695,0.006461,0. 004909,-0.005285,0.002923,-0.003897,0.000149,0.005643,0.005429,-0.010077,-0.008996,0.004181,0.006536,-0.008254,-0.005989,0.002226,0.008874,0.004458,0.005987
German_Erlangen:GSM1658633,0.133173,0.139128,0.054 305,0.037791,0.030467,0.017012,0.000235,0.006692,0 .005727,0.000547,-0.000974,-0.002548,-0.001041,0.00289,0.008007,-0.006497,-0.018906,0.006714,0.002891,-0.003877,0.001497,0.003833,-0.003944,0.011809,-0.00012
German_Erlangen:GSM1658634,0.130897,0.13405,0.0576 99,0.042959,0.033545,0.021753,-0.004465,0.002538,0.001841,-0.006196,0.003573,-0.001649,0.001933,0.009083,-0.0057,0.001856,0.008345,-0.003801,0.003771,0.003752,0.002121,-0.005317,-0.006162,-0.006868,-0.000479
German_Erlangen:GSM1658635,0.120652,0.137096,0.047 894,0.033592,0.037545,0.009203,0.003055,0.005538,0 .014726,0.006743,-0.009256,0.005095,-0.005352,-0.007019,0.006107,0.017369,0.006389,0.00076,0.0011 31,0.003126,0.001747,-0.004946,0.000493,0.01458,0.001557
German_Erlangen:GSM1658636,0.120652,0.133034,0.053 928,0.035207,0.035699,0.01255,0.003995,0.004154,0. 001023,-0.001458,-0.000812,0.004646,-0.006987,0.010046,0.013572,0.003315,-0.000782,0.004307,0.003394,0.006503,-0.000125,-0.002844,0.0053,0.009158,-0.003952
German_Erlangen:GSM1658637,0.125205,0.139128,0.058 077,0.031977,0.054779,0.011435,0.004465,-0.002769,0.007772,0.015308,-0.011854,0.007943,-0.016947,-0.002615,0.011265,-0.005436,-0.022165,-0.00114,-0.005028,0.002376,0.007612,0.003833,0.004437,-0.000602,0
German_Erlangen:GSM1658638,0.130897,0.141159,0.053 174,0.034238,0.043393,0.012829,0.004935,0.003923,-0.002863,0.006196,0,-0.001349,-0.006541,-0.00234,-0.004072,0.019358,0.020731,0.00038,0.004651,0.0032 52,0,0.007666,0.00037,0.010724,-0.001557
German_Erlangen:GSM1658639,0.129758,0.135065,0.065 242,0.041667,0.040931,0.022032,0.011045,0.005769,0 .010022,-0.002734,-0.002598,0.007343,-0.013231,-0.004266,0.007872,0.006497,-0.001043,-0.00228,0.000126,0.002751,0.010482,0.000742,-0.00037,0.014098,0.000359
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German_Erlangen:GSM1658656,0.127482,0.137096,0.051 666,0.031977,0.038469,0.011713,0.00658,0.012461,0. 009204,0.008565,-0.00406,0.004196,-0.010109,-0.003165,0.011672,-0.00053,-0.002217,0.008868,0.005782,-0.003877,-0.001622,0.012984,0.001232,0.007109,0.000359
German_Erlangen:GSM1658657,0.130897,0.138112,0.050 911,0.046189,0.039084,0.019522,0.00047,0.006231,0. 007976,-0.005832,-0.003085,0.004346,-0.004162,0.008808,0.007329,-0.008088,-0.013299,0.000507,0.001383,-0.004252,-0.009733,-0.001978,0.003821,0.003012,0.000718
German_Erlangen:GSM1658658,0.135449,0.138112,0.058 077,0.031331,0.039392,0.016733,0.00611,0.011538,0. 001636,0.000911,-0.000325,-0.002248,-0.009514,0.00867,0.0095,0.004906,-0.00013,0.004181,0.005154,0.005378,-0.00262,0.005812,0.005423,-0.001687,0.000838
German_Erlangen:GSM1658659,0.121791,0.137096,0.060 339,0.044251,0.033237,0.015618,0.00376,0.010153,0. 000818,-0.003098,-0.00682,0.001349,-0.001933,0.015964,-0.000814,-0.010209,-0.016037,0.00038,0.008045,0.001251,-0.008485,0.005193,0.007888,-0.004699,0.004431
German_Erlangen:GSM1658660,0.126344,0.141159,0.064 488,0.041667,0.034468,0.023148,-0.00094,0.008769,0.004704,-0.000911,-0.011692,-0.001199,0.005352,0.00523,0.00285,0.007823,-0.00352,0.001394,0.011439,0.002876,-0.001497,0.008161,0.001356,-0.002289,-0.000239
German_Erlangen:GSM1658661,0.12862,0.135065,0.0603 39,0.053941,0.0437,0.026216,0.00094,0.003,-0.005931,-0.007654,-0.005846,0,0.001784,-0.001101,0.002172,0.014187,0.02021,0.003547,0.0015 08,0.006878,0.002371,0,0.004067,0.004217,-0.001078
German_Erlangen:GSM1658662,0.126344,0.13405,0.0494 03,0.028424,0.045855,0.011713,0.008225,0.005538,-0.001023,0.008018,0.000162,0.001349,-0.008474,-0.009496,0.00285,-0.004508,-0.015646,-0.003041,0.003771,-0.01038,-0.00574,0.003833,0.004683,0.009519,-0.001676
German_Erlangen:GSM1658663,0.12862,0.144205,0.0433 69,0.031977,0.028005,0.00502,0.00329,0.005769,0.00 859,0.001458,-0.002761,-0.002548,-0.002825,0.000275,0.000136,-0.006762,-0.012647,0.008235,0.004148,-0.009505,0.001248,0.001484,-0.001602,0.005904,0.002395
German_Erlangen:GSM1658665,0.132035,0.131003,0.057 322,0.041667,0.037853,0.013666,0.012691,0.001385,0 .002454,0.003098,-0.001461,-0.001649,-0.006838,-0.00523,0.006515,0.011403,0.011735,-0.00114,-0.005656,0.004377,0.011854,0.006925,-0.002095,0.011929,-0.002874
German_Erlangen:GSM1658666,0.122929,0.142174,0.059 208,0.024225,0.03416,0.005857,0.00658,0.005769,0.0 03272,0.009659,-0.007145,-0.001649,-0.012339,0.009358,0.007057,0.002254,-0.001304,0.011529,0.006159,-0.002751,0.00287,-0.003215,0.000246,0.005302,-0.000838
German_Erlangen:GSM1658667,0.129758,0.137096,0.042 238,0.033592,0.028928,0.024821,0.007285,0.013846,-0.004295,-0.000364,0,0.005395,-0.009812,-0.00523,0.003529,-0.011403,-0.025816,0.008235,0.003017,0.001126,0.000749,0.007 419,-0.002711,0.011206,-0.001437
German_Hamburg:GSM1031510,0.135449,0.141159,0.0626 02,0.051357,0.035391,0.025379,0.014571,0.008538,0. 001227,-0.013668,-0.008607,0.002248,-0.007433,0.004954,0.016015,0.009812,-0.010691,-0.001014,-0.002514,-0.004502,0.004243,0.000495,0.003697,0.006627,-0.001796
German_Hamburg:GSM1031511,0.130897,0.129988,0.0554 37,0.040698,0.032621,0.010598,0.000235,0.012461,0. 00409,-0.002916,-0.000162,-0.000749,-0.005946,-0.009083,0.007329,0.011535,0.015907,0.004434,0.007 29,0.016633,-0.004243,0.002597,0.002835,0.009399,-0.002155
German_Hamburg:GSM1031512,0.118376,0.132019,0.0561 91,0.053295,0.045547,0.0251,0.007285,0.008077,0.00 0205,-0.000364,-0.001461,0.000599,-0.008771,-0.017203,0.025244,0.014717,0.006389,0.003421,0.006 662,-0.002001,0.001248,0.007419,-0.0053,0.017352,-0.001916
German_Hamburg:GSM1031513,0.129758,0.135065,0.0554 37,0.049419,0.041854,0.01757,-0.002585,0.007154,0.0045,0.001458,-0.003897,0.003597,-0.002379,-0.004266,0.018729,-0.004641,-0.017863,0.007981,0.004022,-0.001,0.001747,0.001607,0.002095,0.009158,0.002994
German_Hamburg:GSM1031515,0.121791,0.140143,0.0701 44,0.044897,0.048009,0.013108,0.010105,0.014076,0. 004295,0.002734,-0.011692,-0.004646,0,-0.012524,0.006107,0.006762,-0.001565,-0.000507,0.010182,0.003877,0.005116,0.009398,0.001 725,-0.000843,0.000838
German_Hamburg:GSM1031516,0.122929,0.127957,0.0607 16,0.057494,0.040315,0.014781,0.011281,0.007846,-0.004295,-0.010934,-0.00341,-0.003897,0.006987,-0.001101,0.003936,0.017104,0.0103,0.003041,0,0.011 506,0.001996,0.003833,0.000739,-0.004579,0.007424
German_Hamburg:GSM1031517,0.132035,0.135065,0.0592 08,0.041344,0.046162,0.016455,0.007755,0.002538,0. 012067,-0.00656,-0.002111,0.004946,-0.001933,-0.002752,0.007193,0.023866,0.023469,0.004434,0.004 022,-0.003252,-0.004991,0.005812,-0.000986,0.010965,-0.00479
German_Hamburg:GSM1031521,0.134311,0.142174,0.0584 54,0.044251,0.041546,0.01757,0.0094,0.006,0,0.0061 96,-0.00341,-0.002847,-0.013082,-0.000688,0.005972,-0.00716,-0.021644,-0.00038,0.002011,-0.005002,0.002371,0.001237,0.001356,0.014701,0.010 538
German_Hamburg:GSM1031523,0.138864,0.136081,0.0686 36,0.04845,0.035699,0.022311,0.007755,0.008307,0.0 00614,-0.009112,-0.004384,0.002248,0.002825,0.016377,-0.000407,0.001061,0.001173,0.002914,0.003268,0.004 877,0.004367,-0.001113,0.001725,0.00735,0.002036
German_Hamburg:GSM1031524,0.121791,0.132019,0.0648 65,0.060724,0.044008,0.018128,0.015276,0.011769,-0.003886,-0.002916,-0.001949,0.003147,0.005649,0.007432,0.019001,0.001 326,-0.010952,0.004054,0.009804,0.003627,0.006489,0.006 801,0.010353,0.013857,-0.000239
German_Hamburg:GSM1031525,0.121791,0.13405,0.06561 9,0.044897,0.0397,0.018407,0.015981,0.009,0.008795 ,0.001276,0.000974,-0.001948,-0.006987,-0.012248,0.011129,0.001326,0.000522,0.008488,0.008 547,-0.003502,0.001622,-0.005564,0,0.005061,-0.011496
German_Hamburg:GSM1031526,0.122929,0.138112,0.0633 56,0.040375,0.045547,0.020638,0.00188,0.011999,0.0 00614,0.000182,-0.008607,0.003897,-0.002527,0.001376,0.016558,-0.013126,-0.018775,0.003041,0.011564,-0.002751,0.00287,0.005935,0.006162,0.006627,-0.005868
German_Hamburg:GSM1031527,0.12862,0.136081,0.07768 7,0.055233,0.040007,0.028168,0.011751,0.011769,0.0 0409,-0.005649,0.002598,-0.002098,0.004608,0.022295,0.0019,-0.007823,-0.018645,0.004181,-0.002765,-0.007754,0.002745,0.000989,0.01023,-0.000723,-0.012574
German_Hamburg:GSM1031529,0.125205,0.128972,0.0626 02,0.042313,0.042162,0.026495,0.00141,0.008077,0.0 07772,-0.001458,-0.005196,0.00015,-0.001189,-0.000826,0.016015,0.000133,-0.029336,-0.002914,0.011061,-0.000875,0.005241,-0.000495,-0.001849,0.004458,0.001916
German_Hamburg:GSM1031548,0.137726,0.131003,0.0573 22,0.046189,0.029544,0.025937,0.00846,0.006,0.0087 95,0.004009,-0.00682,-0.00045,-0.009068,-0.008395,0.014929,0.007558,-0.001304,0.002534,-0.004022,0.009129,0.009358,0.000495,0.00456,0.0127 73,0.001078

https://i.imgur.com/d8zcnJB.png

We know where these Germans came from for a change, Hamburg, and Erlangen.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSE42056

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSE67929

https://i.imgur.com/rBMo04i.png

Averages

German_Erlangen,0.128460016,0.137429656,0.05583737 5,0.037256031,0.0386225,0.014898797,0.004050109,0. 005293063,0.004240688,0.000361641,-0.003194484,0.001697656,-0.004253047,0.001462234,0.0048775,0.001700859,-0.002454828,0.001866688,0.003065859,0.000449375,-5.06719E-05,0.001464516,0.001606109,0.007013266,-0.000190922
German_Hamburg,0.1281648,0.1346592,0.062551733,0.0 480624,0.0405408,0.020043,0.008037333,0.0089074,0. 003258867,-0.0025148,-0.0038756,0.0002798,-0.0026164,-0.001110133,0.01131,0.004163333,-0.004867667,0.002913867,0.0046088,0.001267333,0.00 26786,0.002629733,0.002489467,0.007478867,-0.000934

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/jcgY3xL.png

rothaer

01-28-2022, 08:28 PM

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22512-De-Nederlandse-Praatbank&p=829458#post829458

https://i.imgur.com/rBMo04i.png

Averages

German_Erlangen,0.128460016,0.137429656,0.05583737 5,0.037256031,0.0386225,0.014898797,0.004050109,0. 005293063,0.004240688,0.000361641,-0.003194484,0.001697656,-0.004253047,0.001462234,0.0048775,0.001700859,-0.002454828,0.001866688,0.003065859,0.000449375,-5.06719E-05,0.001464516,0.001606109,0.007013266,-0.000190922
German_Hamburg,0.1281648,0.1346592,0.062551733,0.0 480624,0.0405408,0.020043,0.008037333,0.0089074,0. 003258867,-0.0025148,-0.0038756,0.0002798,-0.0026164,-0.001110133,0.01131,0.004163333,-0.004867667,0.002913867,0.0046088,0.001267333,0.00 26786,0.002629733,0.002489467,0.007478867,-0.000934

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/jcgY3xL.png

Thanks for that evaluation. Nice.

Do you happen to know from where are so many G25 coords for these people from Hamburg and Erlangen? And what exactly it does it mean to be from Hamburg and Erlangen, to reside there when tested? I can't find that "altvred" post. However, both groups plot meaningful on the North Europe PCA as for today German inhabitants of these two cities. Though it even seems a little bit "better" than just to be a German inhabitant, because then you would likely have more vice versa outliers.

Ajeje Brazorf

01-28-2022, 10:05 PM

Thanks for that evaluation. Nice.

Do you happen to know from where are so many G25 coords for these people from Hamburg and Erlangen? And what exactly it does it mean to be from Hamburg and Erlangen, to reside there when tested? I can't find that "altvred" post. However, both groups plot meaningful on the North Europe PCA as for today German inhabitants of these two cities. Though it even seems a little bit "better" than just to be a German inhabitant, because then you would likely have more vice versa outliers.

Unfortunately, I don't know about any of those.

Smitty

01-28-2022, 10:16 PM

6/8 Unterfranken, 1/8 Oberfranken, 1/8 Sachsen-Anhalt

Kit FZ8079164

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.06
2 Baltic 28.52
3 West_Med 11.61
4 West_Asian 10.82
5 East_Med 9.73
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.85
8 Sub-Saharan 0.27
9 South_Asian 0.05
10 East_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 4.91
2 Hungarian 5.96
3 East_German 6.74
4 West_German 8.97
5 South_Dutch 10.59
6 North_German 10.73
7 Serbian 11.15
8 Croatian 11.61
9 Moldavian 12.44
10 Danish 13.46
11 Swedish 13.59
12 North_Dutch 13.78
13 South_Polish 14.09
14 French 14.28
15 North_Swedish 14.39
16 Southeast_English 14.51
17 Romanian 14.61
18 Norwegian 14.8
19 Orcadian 15.22
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.6% Swedish + 43.4% Bulgarian @ 3.09
2 51.9% Swedish + 48.1% Romanian @ 3.12
3 91.6% Austrian + 8.4% Tabassaran @ 3.26
4 91.9% Austrian + 8.1% Lezgin @ 3.3
5 92.2% Austrian + 7.8% Chechen @ 3.48
6 51.1% North_German + 48.9% Serbian @ 3.48
7 50.3% Romanian + 49.7% Norwegian @ 3.53
8 54.5% Norwegian + 45.5% Bulgarian @ 3.53
9 58.3% North_German + 41.7% Romanian @ 3.58
10 57.6% Serbian + 42.4% Norwegian @ 3.59
11 63% North_German + 37% Bulgarian @ 3.59
12 93.1% Austrian + 6.9% North_Ossetian @ 3.59
13 92.5% Austrian + 7.5% Kumyk @ 3.64
14 93.1% Austrian + 6.9% Adygei @ 3.65
15 93.4% Austrian + 6.6% Ossetian @ 3.67
16 55.4% Serbian + 44.6% Swedish @ 3.68
17 93% Austrian + 7% Balkar @ 3.68
18 92.8% Austrian + 7.2% Kabardin @ 3.69
19 94.4% Austrian + 5.6% Abhkasian @ 3.72
20 94.2% Austrian + 5.8% Georgian @ 3.75

Leto

01-29-2022, 09:11 AM

Born and living in a town in Southern Niedersachsen, no further details. Testing the averages

North_Atlantic 40.83 Pct
Baltic 30.65 Pct
West_Med 12.61 Pct
West_Asian 10.55 Pct
East_Med 2.32 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.95 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.65 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distanceto: HJH
4.38009132 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.47388407 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.93512076 German_Saxony
6.99881419 German
7.04133510 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.30555268 German_North_Moravia
7.42518013 German_Thuringia_East
7.77648378 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.78324482 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.81851009 German_North_Bohemia
8.34534002 German_County_Glatz
9.39874460 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
9.54697334 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
9.67102890 German_West_Bohemia
9.78265813 German_Thuringia_Central
9.88495827 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.91565429 Austrian
10.12773914 Austrian_Styria
10.15341322 German_Farther_Pomerania
10.25520843 German_Lower_Saxony_South

Target: HJH
Distance: 2.0718% / 2.07178961 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.9 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.3 Dargin
5.0 Irish_Ulster
2.2 Austrian_Lower_Austria
0.6 Kalash

Lucas

01-29-2022, 09:50 AM

3/8 Stolp, 1/8 West Prussia, 1/2 West Hinterpommern

Kit HX4915903

thanks:)

Lucas

01-29-2022, 09:50 AM

rothaer

01-29-2022, 02:13 PM

Just for fun:

https://i.imgur.com/6SFpCpq.jpg

Teutonski

01-29-2022, 03:25 PM

Aber das keltische, slawische und natürlich germanische Blut ist den Deutschen grundsätzlich nicht fremd. Wenn du einen baltischblütigen Ostpreußen als Deutschen akzeptierst, warum kannst du auch einen halb Belgier, halb Polen, der deutsch spricht, nicht akzeptieren?
Lest du den Sezession-Blog? Es ist einer der wichtigsten neurechten Blogs in Deutschland. Deine ethnischen bzw. genetischen Kenntnisse würden dort sehr brauchbar sein.

Das IfS wird jetzt schon vom Verfassungsschutz beobachtet, das Umfeld um Kubitschek und Lehnert konnte zuvor immer sehr gut in die Machtzentrale der AfD einwirken. Diese Themen sind leider im Kontext des Overton-Fensters und der BRD Repressionen total verbrannt. Thor von Waldstein äußert sich in milder Form zu diesen Themen ist aber in der Öffentlichkeit auch eine verbrannte Persönlichkeit.

Die BRD garantierte uns nie wirkliche Meinungsfreiheit, seit 2015 und NetzDG, neuer Verfassungsschutz Präsident, Verfassungsrichter die überhaupt nicht mal versuchen den Schein von Neutralität zu bewahren, der geisteskranke Staatsfunk etc... Sind die Stellschrauben sogar noch mal enger angezogen, der Wind wird rauer.

Hier läuft so vieles falsch, das man als geistig gesunder in der Mehrheitsgeselleschaft keinen Platz hat und auch gar nicht dazugehören will.

Leto

01-29-2022, 03:42 PM

Das IfS wird jetzt schon vom Verfassungsschutz beobachtet, das Umfeld um Kubitschek und Lehnert konnte zuvor immer sehr gut in die Machtzentrale der AfD einwirken. Diese Themen sind leider im Kontext des Overton-Fensters und der BRD Repressionen total verbrannt. Thor von Waldstein äußert sich in milder Form zu diesen Themen ist aber in der Öffentlichkeit auch eine verbrannte Persönlichkeit.

Die BRD garantierte uns nie wirkliche Meinungsfreiheit, seit 2015 und NetzDG, neuer Verfassungsschutz Präsident, Verfassungsrichter die überhaupt nicht mal versuchen den Schein von Neutralität zu bewahren, der geisteskranke Staatsfunk etc... Sind die Stellschrauben sogar noch mal enger angezogen, der Wind wird rauer.

Hier läuft so vieles falsch, das man als geistig gesunder in der Mehrheitsgeselleschaft keinen Platz hat und auch gar nicht dazugehören will.
What's your nickname on that blog in case you comment on there? Would love to know that's you. I'm not a commenter myself, only a reader because I'm not German and I cannot write with ease, it takes me quite an effort.

rothaer

01-29-2022, 06:36 PM

Das IfS wird jetzt schon vom Verfassungsschutz beobachtet, das Umfeld um Kubitschek und Lehnert konnte zuvor immer sehr gut in die Machtzentrale der AfD einwirken. Diese Themen sind leider im Kontext des Overton-Fensters und der BRD Repressionen total verbrannt. Thor von Waldstein äußert sich in milder Form zu diesen Themen ist aber in der Öffentlichkeit auch eine verbrannte Persönlichkeit.

Die BRD garantierte uns nie wirkliche Meinungsfreiheit, seit 2015 und NetzDG, neuer Verfassungsschutz Präsident, Verfassungsrichter die überhaupt nicht mal versuchen den Schein von Neutralität zu bewahren, der geisteskranke Staatsfunk etc... Sind die Stellschrauben sogar noch mal enger angezogen, der Wind wird rauer.

Hier läuft so vieles falsch, das man als geistig gesunder in der Mehrheitsgeselleschaft keinen Platz hat und auch gar nicht dazugehören will.

Ich kann hier jedes Wort unterschreiben. / I can sign (agree to) every word.

Lucas

01-29-2022, 07:01 PM

Patients from Hamburg hospital...

German_Hamburg_GSM1031510,42.04,32.4,11.76,9.87,1. 62,0.35,0.78,0.47,0,0.49,0,0.24,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031511,36.18,28.02,14.55,9.52,6 .2,2.36,0.79,0,0.32,1.2,0.87,0,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031512,51.98,24.67,9.99,5.44,2. 13,0,1.36,1.64,0,0.97,0.41,0.17,1.24
German_Hamburg_GSM1031513,44.91,27.55,11.34,6.12,5 .62,0,2.94,0,0,0.71,0.45,0.37,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031514,30.36,50.87,10.47,2.16,2 .26,0,0.8,0,0.26,0.93,0,1.31,0.57
German_Hamburg_GSM1031515,43.7,29.39,16.04,4.62,3. 04,0.53,0,0.53,0.38,0,0.34,0.25,1.17
German_Hamburg_GSM1031516,36.16,34.62,9.66,8.15,3. 94,2.96,1.42,0.28,0.66,0.04,1.11,0,0.99
German_Hamburg_GSM1031517,40.21,31.67,13.54,2.83,8 .05,1.49,0.31,0.2,0,1,0,0.7,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031519,34.04,30.32,15.14,6.86,1 0.06,0,0.58,0,2.94,0.06,0,0,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031521,42.33,27.64,15.65,8.27,3 .75,0,0.52,0.04,0.37,0.12,0.66,0,0.66
German_Hamburg_GSM1031523,33.68,36.01,13.47,7.05,7 .62,0,0.23,0,1.66,0,0.06,0,0.22
German_Hamburg_GSM1031524,47.2,31.45,6.44,6.18,1.5 8,2.62,1.57,0.44,0,0.6,1.33,0,0.59
German_Hamburg_GSM1031525,44.41,25.62,13.76,5.07,5 .53,0.39,1.17,0.17,1.72,0,0,1.29,0.89
German_Hamburg_GSM1031526,50.16,24.06,10.37,6.7,2. 88,2.84,0,1.55,0,0,0.32,0,1.13
German_Hamburg_GSM1031527,35.67,38.38,11.54,5.93,6 .19,0,0.29,0,1.05,0,0,0,0.95
German_Hamburg_GSM1031529,47.18,25.89,11.63,4.53,4 .41,1.78,1.02,0.99,0.16,1,0,0.06,1.35
German_Hamburg_GSM1031548,45.7,23.35,13.99,10.18,1 .31,0.94,3.08,0,1.05,0.38,0,0,0

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031548
6.53733891 German_Westphalia
6.61678925 German_Lower_Saxony_South
6.78863757 English_Southeast

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031529
2.65032074 Dutch
3.03385893 Dutch_Central
3.49053005 German_Westphalia

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031527
2.23040355 German_West_Prussia
3.36104151 German_Lower_Silesia
4.05394869 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031526
3.62786439 Dutch_Central
3.72967827 German_Westphalia
4.04965431 Dutch

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031525
3.51203645 Dutch_South
4.09641307 German
4.30453249 Flemish

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031524
5.01127728 Swedish
5.19542106 Swedish_East-Svealand
5.27549998 German_Mecklenburg_West

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031523
2.19631510 German_Lower_Silesia
3.65488714 Slovene
3.69772903 Croat_Northwest

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031521
4.16796113 German
5.17963319 German_North_Moravia
6.01400865 German_Brandenburg_Northwest

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031519
3.25805156 Austrian_Styria
4.46516517 Austrian_Carinthia
4.47062635 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031517
3.72253946 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
3.78531373 German_Thuringia_Central
3.87807942 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031516
5.27344290 German_Thuringia_East
5.66335590 German_West_Prussia
6.07558228 German_Lower_Silesia

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031515
5.06542200 German
5.85900802 German_Hither_Pomerania
5.91766001 German_Brandenburg_Northwest

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031514
3.58768728 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
5.05376098 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
5.21047023 Belarusian

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031513
4.52275359 German
4.96546070 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.39695284 German_Westphalia

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031512
3.27784991 Scottish_G?idhealtachd
3.32591341 Icelandic
3.43332201 Dutch_North

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031511
4.26409428 Austrian
4.56254315 German_County_Glatz
5.21339621 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Hamburg_GSM1031510
3.69399513 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
5.05327369 German_Hither_Pomerania
5.80157737 German_Mecklenburg_West

Lucas

01-29-2022, 07:18 PM

Erlangen patients

German_Erlangen_GSM1658598,39.85,24,13.69,13.83,5. 96,0,2.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658599,39.59,23.84,17.64,5.35, 10.62,0,0,0,0.42,0.77,0,0.95,0.82
German_Erlangen_GSM1658600,42.42,26,13.16,7.76,6.3 4,0.88,1.61,1.27,0,0.52,0,0.02,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658601,37.52,39.78,10.91,5.87, 2.42,0.23,0.61,0,0,0.74,0.01,1.6,0.31
German_Erlangen_GSM1658602,36.7,26.59,13.74,5.55,1 1.18,3.8,1.61,0,0,0,0.82,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658603,40.74,24.05,15.73,5.9,1 0.57,0,0,1.52,0,0,0.97,0,0.53
German_Erlangen_GSM1658604,39.59,29.99,13.31,9.88, 2.16,0.49,1.35,0,0,2.07,0.3,0,0.85
German_Erlangen_GSM1658605,37.34,32.65,12.66,7.37, 5.58,1.77,0.89,0,0,0.82,0,0,0.93
German_Erlangen_GSM1658606,31.8,34.92,13.88,8.96,6 .46,0,0.37,0,0,1.54,0.58,0.98,0.51
German_Erlangen_GSM1658607,41.26,27.89,14.97,6.25, 7.15,0.18,0.96,0,1.19,0.15,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658609,40.66,29.47,10.41,7.06, 8.78,0,1.89,0,0,0.26,0.66,0.82,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658610,44.78,22.32,17.8,6.05,5 .38,1.1,1.07,0,0.98,0,0,0,0.5
German_Erlangen_GSM1658611,42.94,31.79,11.3,3.39,9 .27,0,0,0,0,0.46,0.52,0.22,0.1
German_Erlangen_GSM1658612,36.71,31.92,14.35,4.08, 8.82,0,1.97,0,0,0.67,0.54,0.29,0.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658613,36.86,29.23,14.19,6.52, 8.34,1.35,0.4,0,0,1.59,0.68,0,0.84
German_Erlangen_GSM1658614,36.13,29.6,21.53,6.18,4 .32,0.71,0.34,0,0,0.36,0,0.83,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658615,41.52,25.36,13.73,6.66, 9.68,1.04,0,0,0,2.02,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658616,34.27,29.08,16.7,8.4,8. 45,0.35,1.3,0,0.95,0,0.09,0.42,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658617,42.77,23.52,13.5,6.35,7 .8,2.89,0.02,0.46,0.27,0.48,0.3,0,1.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658618,38.93,29.05,14.99,3.61, 9.27,0.75,1.68,0.54,0.89,0.26,0.05,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658619,37.14,25.23,13.69,8.7,1 0.02,1.78,0.15,0.74,0.12,1.47,0,0,0.95
German_Erlangen_GSM1658620,37.61,30.75,12.78,6.3,8 .62,1.83,0.79,0,0,0.34,0.86,0.12,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658621,34.66,32.16,16.64,3.83, 10.73,0,0,0,0.1,0.76,0,0.28,0.84
German_Erlangen_GSM1658622,41.7,22.58,15.79,3.58,1 2.71,0,2.52,0,0.96,0,0,0.17,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658623,43.49,26.94,11.09,6.61, 5.67,2.43,0,0,0.62,2.24,0,0.91,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658625,40.78,31.14,13.05,0.65, 8.57,2.17,0.98,0,1.22,0.66,0.79,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658626,42.34,24.68,17.14,8.41, 4.88,1.18,0,0.23,0,0.54,0.46,0,0.14
German_Erlangen_GSM1658627,38.49,26.49,17.94,7.89, 6.02,0,2.01,0,0,1,0,0.15,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658628,42.18,29.67,14,7.91,3.4 4,0,1.25,0,0.44,0,0,0,1.11
German_Erlangen_GSM1658630,35.84,28.1,17.12,4.82,1 1.88,0,0.1,0.14,0,1.39,0.08,0,0.53
German_Erlangen_GSM1658631,48.21,19.07,20.38,4.12, 5.3,0,0,1.1,0,0.56,0.34,0.18,0.76
German_Erlangen_GSM1658632,48.21,19.07,20.38,4.12, 5.3,0,0,1.1,0,0.56,0.34,0.18,0.76
German_Erlangen_GSM1658633,39.89,26.12,16.38,5.7,7 .99,0,1.9,0.22,0,0.05,0.58,1.17,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658634,31.24,33.08,15.92,8.79, 7.55,0,0.89,0,0,2.18,0.36,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658635,40.52,28.08,13.02,4.25, 11.01,0,1.01,0,1.36,0.75,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658636,40.28,30.26,12.83,7.16, 3.7,1.54,2.36,0,1.25,0.13,0.11,0,0.37
German_Erlangen_GSM1658637,38.19,24.78,13.28,9.1,1 2.19,0.34,0.46,0.41,0,0.89,0,0,0.36
German_Erlangen_GSM1658638,32.34,29.41,13.3,7.67,1 2.56,1.62,1.09,0,0.24,1.23,0.52,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658639,41.09,22.16,13.92,10.63 ,5.95,1.81,2.75,1.15,0,0.15,0,0,0.39
German_Erlangen_GSM1658640,39.14,28.18,15.11,5.04, 10.65,0,0,0,0.51,0.78,0.59,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658641,36.27,27.78,17.02,4.98, 9.92,1.37,0.17,0,0,0,1.56,0.76,0.17
German_Erlangen_GSM1658642,38.96,24.35,15.64,10.3, 6.51,0.3,0,0.23,0.98,1.74,0.53,0,0.47
German_Erlangen_GSM1658643,34.65,34.33,13.66,5.38, 7.88,0.83,0,0,0,1.68,1.03,0,0.56
German_Erlangen_GSM1658644,35.48,33.72,12.92,6.62, 9.87,0,0.58,0,0.67,0,0,0.14,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658645,36.89,33.28,14.11,3.86, 6.27,0.14,1.27,1.22,0,1.37,0.23,1.37,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658646,38.76,31.6,11.59,2.42,9 .32,3.06,0.86,0,0.91,0.31,0.19,0.97,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658647,31.43,44.05,9.15,6.55,5 .98,0,0.85,0,0.55,1.03,0.05,0,0.37
German_Erlangen_GSM1658648,37.75,32.28,12.41,5.27, 8.34,0,0,1.52,0.37,1.07,0,0,1
German_Erlangen_GSM1658649,38.76,23.53,18.49,4.08, 10.99,1.45,1.59,0,0,0,0.08,0.42,0.61
German_Erlangen_GSM1658650,39.57,24.95,14.25,11.75 ,3.73,1.67,2.65,0,0.9,0,0,0,0.52
German_Erlangen_GSM1658651,33.46,37.54,13.19,3.73, 6.4,2.4,1.14,0.5,0.01,0.62,0.2,0.83,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658652,38.3,27.95,15.11,8.97,5 .92,1.21,0.49,0,0.6,0.75,0,0.06,0.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658653,36.53,24.98,17.75,6.72, 10.84,0.49,0.54,0,0.08,1.3,0.78,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658654,43.37,26.5,12.22,4,11,0 ,0,2.35,0,0.44,0.11,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658655,41.37,24.11,13.8,6.62,9 .77,1.2,0,0,0,1.37,1.21,0.54,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658656,38.16,33.3,14.44,5.34,6 .11,0,0.81,0,0,0.65,0.65,0,0.54
German_Erlangen_GSM1658657,35.85,32.08,14.06,8.11, 5.5,1.2,0,1.22,0,0,0,1.99,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658658,43.43,25.78,11.99,7.98, 7.05,0,1.24,0,0.96,0,0,1.06,0.52
German_Erlangen_GSM1658659,39.88,24.69,19.13,2.36, 8.66,1.38,2.32,0,0.19,0.45,0.94,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658660,42.51,23.77,14.24,6.62, 9.9,0.39,1.03,0.53,0,0.85,0,0.16,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658661,35.33,30.61,11.93,7.77, 10.94,0,0,0,0.83,1.35,1.07,0,0.16
German_Erlangen_GSM1658662,40.66,22.8,18.98,7.86,5 .65,1.29,0,0,0.67,1.27,0.82,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658663,39.23,24.2,15.63,7.28,8 .75,2.53,1.48,0,0.89,0,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658664,35.02,31.69,13.95,5.89, 8.28,2.87,0.28,0,1.79,0.2,0,0.04,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658665,41.49,31.57,13.02,4.08, 6.63,0.25,0.14,0.9,0,0.51,1.42,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658666,39.77,26.46,15.19,4.64, 10.93,2.57,0,0,0,0.16,0.29,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658667,37.73,32.59,13.74,1.33, 9.43,0,1.62,0,1.24,0.99,0.62,0.52,0.19

Those are in large part Bavarians.

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658667
4.27724210 German_Thuringia_Central
5.16692365 German_North_Bohemia
6.49043142 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658666
3.20454365 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
3.71792953 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
3.81550783 German_Bavaria_Proper

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658665
2.75709993 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
3.52288234 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
3.98981203 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658664
3.18505887 Austrian_Styria
4.30525261 German_County_Glatz
4.52747170 Austrian_Carinthia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658663
2.75359765 German_Bavaria_Proper
3.14758638 French_Alsace
3.19231891 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658662
4.50144421 German_South_Hesse
4.71242772 Austrian_Lower_Austria
4.89223875 French_Alsace

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658661
4.65592096 Austrian_Styria
4.75323048 German_County_Glatz
5.25937259 Austrian_Carinthia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658660
2.21205787 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
2.85383952 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.10041933 German_Bavaria_Proper

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658659
5.28478949 German_South_Hesse
5.67670679 French_Alsace
6.09388218 Swiss_German

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658658
3.82319238 German_North_Moravia
4.04352569 German
4.59664008 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658657
2.99569691 German_County_Glatz
4.24299423 Austrian_Styria
4.50690581 German_Saxony

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658656
2.34625233 German_North_Bohemia
3.69614664 German_Saxony
3.79867082 German_Thuringia_East

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658655
2.35934313 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
2.63152047 German_Bavaria_Proper
3.21961178 German_Baden-Württemberg

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658654
5.57673740 German_North_Hesse
5.90514183 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.94852923 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658653
3.04558697 German_Bavarian_Swabia
3.78374153 Austrian
3.90943410 Austrian_Lower_Austria

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658652
4.08707720 Austrian
4.19963094 German_North_Moravia
4.34748203 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658651
3.72447312 Czech
4.34644682 Slovak
4.43594409 German_Lower_Silesia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658650
6.79305528 German_North_Moravia
7.11635265 Austrian_Lower_Austria
7.61753897 German

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658649
3.95835825 Swiss_German
4.11100961 French_Alsace
4.61703368 German_Baden-Württemberg

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658648
2.67858171 German_North_Bohemia
3.08408820 German_Thuringia_East
3.58814715 German_Saxony

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658647
2.08247449 Polish_Greater_Poland
2.25106641 Upper_Silesia
2.75461431 Polish_Lesser_Poland

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658646
4.53057392 German_Thuringia_Central
4.79574812 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
5.37531394 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658645
3.58178726 German_North_Bohemia
4.73182840 German_Thuringia_East
4.94861597 German_Saxony

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658644
3.70444328 Austrian_Carinthia
3.76163528 Austrian_Styria
4.21569686 German_Thuringia_East

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658643
3.38600059 German_Lower_Silesia
3.77332744 Slovene
4.14926500 Croat_Northwest

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658642
4.36886427 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.03276266 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.40824371 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658641
3.24610536 Austrian
3.99879982 German_West_Bohemia
4.20578173 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658640
2.89174688 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
2.96986532 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
3.07535364 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658639
5.45798498 German_North_Rhine
6.06265618 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
6.64247695 German_North_Moravia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658638
4.36806593 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.55008791 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.61650301 Hungarian

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658637
3.20494930 Austrian_Burgenland
4.13751133 German_Bavaria_Proper
4.61570146 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658636
3.55450418 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
4.48212003 German_Saxony
4.56402235 German

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658635
3.63469393 German_Thuringia_Central
3.74388835 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
4.35364215 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658634
4.07422385 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.14200435 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.17210978 Croat_Northwest

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658633
3.06422910 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
3.33700464 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
3.73847563 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658632
5.03868038 French_Brittany
5.75711733 French_Normandy
6.98256400 German_Saarland

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658631
5.03868038 French_Brittany
5.75711733 French_Normandy
6.98256400 German_Saarland

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658630
3.96132554 German_Bavarian_Swabia
4.59782557 Austrian
4.69416659 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658628
3.59949997 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
4.18459078 German
4.93364723 German_Hither_Pomerania

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658627
3.46825244 Austrian_Lower_Austria
4.68963751 Austrian
4.93837018 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658626
4.91640112 German_North_Rhine
4.95019192 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.36298424 Flemish

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658625
5.13755779 German_Thuringia_Central
5.34161024 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
6.19732200 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658623
4.06393898 German
4.60283608 German_North_Moravia
6.19030694 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658622
4.45996637 German_Baden-Württemberg
4.62295360 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
4.77141488 German_North_Hesse

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658621
4.65210705 Austrian_Carinthia
4.82515285 Austrian_Styria
5.11943356 Slovene

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658620
2.31246622 German_Saxony
2.65275329 German_North_Bohemia
2.94079921 German_Thuringia_East

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658619
3.86208493 Austrian
3.93310310 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
4.00655713 German_West_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658618
2.28092087 German_Thuringia_Central
3.87329317 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
4.10096330 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658617
3.97348713 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
4.16027643 German_North_Hesse
4.35481343 German_North_Rhine

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658616
3.44238290 Austrian_Styria
3.74762592 Austrian
3.91885187 German_County_Glatz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658615
2.36480443 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
3.21292701 German_Bavaria_Proper
3.21462284 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658614
7.52126153 Austrian_Lower_Austria
7.96070349 Austrian
8.13043049 German_County_Glatz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658613
3.27719392 Austrian
3.34637117 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
3.41937129 German_Saxony

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658612
2.93637532 German_Thuringia_Central
2.98512981 German_North_Bohemia
4.66158771 German_Saxony

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658611
3.39929404 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
4.73553587 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
5.61584366 German_Thuringia_Central

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658610
2.48535712 French_Normandy
3.27934445 Belgian
3.29168650 Flemish

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658609
3.80036840 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
4.27331253 German_North_Moravia
4.52307418 German_Saxony

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658607
2.29638847 German
2.89110705 German_North_Moravia
3.54853491 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658606
3.76212706 Croat_Northwest
3.79446966 German_Lower_Silesia
4.45176370 Slovak

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658605
2.50467563 German_Thuringia_East
3.26870005 German_Saxony
3.60530165 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658604
5.06457303 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.49479792 German_Saxony
6.78786417 German

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658603
2.49096367 German_Bavaria_Proper
2.65629441 German_Baden-Württemberg
2.97575201 French_Alsace

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658602
4.12038833 Austrian_Burgenland
4.13476722 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
4.52310734 Austrian

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658601
3.23519706 German_West_Prussia
3.81578301 German_Farther_Pomerania
6.05962870 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658600
2.80725845 German_North_Moravia
3.02413624 German
3.92119880 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658599
3.09289508 French_Alsace
3.20112480 Swiss_German
3.39849967 German_Bavaria_Proper

Distance to: German_Erlangen_GSM1658598
7.84070788 German_North_Moravia
8.01825417 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
8.09626303 Austrian_Lower_Austria

Lucas

01-29-2022, 07:21 PM

There were few duplicates^^

Leto

01-29-2022, 07:38 PM

Looks like immigrants were excluded from that dataset.

Patients from Hamburg hospital...

German_Hamburg_GSM1031514,30.36,50.87,10.47,2.16,2 .26,0,0.8,0,0.26,0.93,0,1.31,0.57

Is this one an actual East Prussian? Or some Belorussian? Bialoniemec :D

rothaer

01-29-2022, 08:40 PM

Looks like immigrants were excluded from that dataset.

German_Hamburg_GSM1031514,30.36,50.87,10.47,2.16,2 .26,0,0.8,0,0.26,0.93,0,1.31,0.57

Is this one an actual East Prussian? Or some Belorussian? Bialoniemec :D

In the paper it's just said that it's about cancer patients of the Universitätsklinikum Hamburg-Eppendorf.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universit%C3%A4tsklinikum_Hamburg-Eppendorf

This hospital has a very high reputation for cancer treatment and it's likely that resident people from all over Schleswig-Holstein, Hamburg and Niedersachsen will go there. There is no statement about these individuals being Germans (though this is likely for most of them and they do plot well).

Cancer patients will be somewhat older in average and do maybe not show much immigration history (except partly being Eastern Germans from after WWII, making up to abt 30%+ of the population). My Eastern German grandmother was treated there for 16 years. So it would be a fantastic thing if she would show up there, but as she died already in 1995 this is unlikely. But who knows what they did use, maybe old tissue samples. I actually wrote to that hospital some years ago and asked for tissue samples of my grandmother, but they denied to still posess such.

Ajeje Brazorf

01-30-2022, 02:48 PM

Patients from Hamburg hospital

German_Hamburg_GSM1031510,42.04,32.4,11.76,9.87,1. 62,0.35,0.78,0.47,0,0.49,0,0.24,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031511,36.18,28.02,14.55,9.52,6 .2,2.36,0.79,0,0.32,1.2,0.87,0,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031512,51.98,24.67,9.99,5.44,2. 13,0,1.36,1.64,0,0.97,0.41,0.17,1.24
German_Hamburg_GSM1031513,44.91,27.55,11.34,6.12,5 .62,0,2.94,0,0,0.71,0.45,0.37,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031514,30.36,50.87,10.47,2.16,2 .26,0,0.8,0,0.26,0.93,0,1.31,0.57
German_Hamburg_GSM1031515,43.7,29.39,16.04,4.62,3. 04,0.53,0,0.53,0.38,0,0.34,0.25,1.17
German_Hamburg_GSM1031516,36.16,34.62,9.66,8.15,3. 94,2.96,1.42,0.28,0.66,0.04,1.11,0,0.99
German_Hamburg_GSM1031517,40.21,31.67,13.54,2.83,8 .05,1.49,0.31,0.2,0,1,0,0.7,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031519,34.04,30.32,15.14,6.86,1 0.06,0,0.58,0,2.94,0.06,0,0,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031521,42.33,27.64,15.65,8.27,3 .75,0,0.52,0.04,0.37,0.12,0.66,0,0.66
German_Hamburg_GSM1031523,33.68,36.01,13.47,7.05,7 .62,0,0.23,0,1.66,0,0.06,0,0.22
German_Hamburg_GSM1031524,47.2,31.45,6.44,6.18,1.5 8,2.62,1.57,0.44,0,0.6,1.33,0,0.59
German_Hamburg_GSM1031525,44.41,25.62,13.76,5.07,5 .53,0.39,1.17,0.17,1.72,0,0,1.29,0.89
German_Hamburg_GSM1031526,50.16,24.06,10.37,6.7,2. 88,2.84,0,1.55,0,0,0.32,0,1.13
German_Hamburg_GSM1031527,35.67,38.38,11.54,5.93,6 .19,0,0.29,0,1.05,0,0,0,0.95
German_Hamburg_GSM1031529,47.18,25.89,11.63,4.53,4 .41,1.78,1.02,0.99,0.16,1,0,0.06,1.35
German_Hamburg_GSM1031548,45.7,23.35,13.99,10.18,1 .31,0.94,3.08,0,1.05,0.38,0,0,0

Erlangen patients

German_Erlangen_GSM1658598,39.85,24,13.69,13.83,5. 96,0,2.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658599,39.59,23.84,17.64,5.35, 10.62,0,0,0,0.42,0.77,0,0.95,0.82
German_Erlangen_GSM1658600,42.42,26,13.16,7.76,6.3 4,0.88,1.61,1.27,0,0.52,0,0.02,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658601,37.52,39.78,10.91,5.87, 2.42,0.23,0.61,0,0,0.74,0.01,1.6,0.31
German_Erlangen_GSM1658602,36.7,26.59,13.74,5.55,1 1.18,3.8,1.61,0,0,0,0.82,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658603,40.74,24.05,15.73,5.9,1 0.57,0,0,1.52,0,0,0.97,0,0.53
German_Erlangen_GSM1658604,39.59,29.99,13.31,9.88, 2.16,0.49,1.35,0,0,2.07,0.3,0,0.85
German_Erlangen_GSM1658605,37.34,32.65,12.66,7.37, 5.58,1.77,0.89,0,0,0.82,0,0,0.93
German_Erlangen_GSM1658606,31.8,34.92,13.88,8.96,6 .46,0,0.37,0,0,1.54,0.58,0.98,0.51
German_Erlangen_GSM1658607,41.26,27.89,14.97,6.25, 7.15,0.18,0.96,0,1.19,0.15,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658609,40.66,29.47,10.41,7.06, 8.78,0,1.89,0,0,0.26,0.66,0.82,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658610,44.78,22.32,17.8,6.05,5 .38,1.1,1.07,0,0.98,0,0,0,0.5
German_Erlangen_GSM1658611,42.94,31.79,11.3,3.39,9 .27,0,0,0,0,0.46,0.52,0.22,0.1
German_Erlangen_GSM1658612,36.71,31.92,14.35,4.08, 8.82,0,1.97,0,0,0.67,0.54,0.29,0.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658613,36.86,29.23,14.19,6.52, 8.34,1.35,0.4,0,0,1.59,0.68,0,0.84
German_Erlangen_GSM1658614,36.13,29.6,21.53,6.18,4 .32,0.71,0.34,0,0,0.36,0,0.83,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658615,41.52,25.36,13.73,6.66, 9.68,1.04,0,0,0,2.02,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658616,34.27,29.08,16.7,8.4,8. 45,0.35,1.3,0,0.95,0,0.09,0.42,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658617,42.77,23.52,13.5,6.35,7 .8,2.89,0.02,0.46,0.27,0.48,0.3,0,1.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658618,38.93,29.05,14.99,3.61, 9.27,0.75,1.68,0.54,0.89,0.26,0.05,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658619,37.14,25.23,13.69,8.7,1 0.02,1.78,0.15,0.74,0.12,1.47,0,0,0.95
German_Erlangen_GSM1658620,37.61,30.75,12.78,6.3,8 .62,1.83,0.79,0,0,0.34,0.86,0.12,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658621,34.66,32.16,16.64,3.83, 10.73,0,0,0,0.1,0.76,0,0.28,0.84
German_Erlangen_GSM1658622,41.7,22.58,15.79,3.58,1 2.71,0,2.52,0,0.96,0,0,0.17,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658623,43.49,26.94,11.09,6.61, 5.67,2.43,0,0,0.62,2.24,0,0.91,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658625,40.78,31.14,13.05,0.65, 8.57,2.17,0.98,0,1.22,0.66,0.79,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658626,42.34,24.68,17.14,8.41, 4.88,1.18,0,0.23,0,0.54,0.46,0,0.14
German_Erlangen_GSM1658627,38.49,26.49,17.94,7.89, 6.02,0,2.01,0,0,1,0,0.15,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658628,42.18,29.67,14,7.91,3.4 4,0,1.25,0,0.44,0,0,0,1.11
German_Erlangen_GSM1658630,35.84,28.1,17.12,4.82,1 1.88,0,0.1,0.14,0,1.39,0.08,0,0.53
German_Erlangen_GSM1658631,48.21,19.07,20.38,4.12, 5.3,0,0,1.1,0,0.56,0.34,0.18,0.76
German_Erlangen_GSM1658632,48.21,19.07,20.38,4.12, 5.3,0,0,1.1,0,0.56,0.34,0.18,0.76
German_Erlangen_GSM1658633,39.89,26.12,16.38,5.7,7 .99,0,1.9,0.22,0,0.05,0.58,1.17,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658634,31.24,33.08,15.92,8.79, 7.55,0,0.89,0,0,2.18,0.36,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658635,40.52,28.08,13.02,4.25, 11.01,0,1.01,0,1.36,0.75,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658636,40.28,30.26,12.83,7.16, 3.7,1.54,2.36,0,1.25,0.13,0.11,0,0.37
German_Erlangen_GSM1658637,38.19,24.78,13.28,9.1,1 2.19,0.34,0.46,0.41,0,0.89,0,0,0.36
German_Erlangen_GSM1658638,32.34,29.41,13.3,7.67,1 2.56,1.62,1.09,0,0.24,1.23,0.52,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658639,41.09,22.16,13.92,10.63 ,5.95,1.81,2.75,1.15,0,0.15,0,0,0.39
German_Erlangen_GSM1658640,39.14,28.18,15.11,5.04, 10.65,0,0,0,0.51,0.78,0.59,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658641,36.27,27.78,17.02,4.98, 9.92,1.37,0.17,0,0,0,1.56,0.76,0.17
German_Erlangen_GSM1658642,38.96,24.35,15.64,10.3, 6.51,0.3,0,0.23,0.98,1.74,0.53,0,0.47
German_Erlangen_GSM1658643,34.65,34.33,13.66,5.38, 7.88,0.83,0,0,0,1.68,1.03,0,0.56
German_Erlangen_GSM1658644,35.48,33.72,12.92,6.62, 9.87,0,0.58,0,0.67,0,0,0.14,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658645,36.89,33.28,14.11,3.86, 6.27,0.14,1.27,1.22,0,1.37,0.23,1.37,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658646,38.76,31.6,11.59,2.42,9 .32,3.06,0.86,0,0.91,0.31,0.19,0.97,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658647,31.43,44.05,9.15,6.55,5 .98,0,0.85,0,0.55,1.03,0.05,0,0.37
German_Erlangen_GSM1658648,37.75,32.28,12.41,5.27, 8.34,0,0,1.52,0.37,1.07,0,0,1
German_Erlangen_GSM1658649,38.76,23.53,18.49,4.08, 10.99,1.45,1.59,0,0,0,0.08,0.42,0.61
German_Erlangen_GSM1658650,39.57,24.95,14.25,11.75 ,3.73,1.67,2.65,0,0.9,0,0,0,0.52
German_Erlangen_GSM1658651,33.46,37.54,13.19,3.73, 6.4,2.4,1.14,0.5,0.01,0.62,0.2,0.83,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658652,38.3,27.95,15.11,8.97,5 .92,1.21,0.49,0,0.6,0.75,0,0.06,0.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658653,36.53,24.98,17.75,6.72, 10.84,0.49,0.54,0,0.08,1.3,0.78,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658654,43.37,26.5,12.22,4,11,0 ,0,2.35,0,0.44,0.11,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658655,41.37,24.11,13.8,6.62,9 .77,1.2,0,0,0,1.37,1.21,0.54,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658656,38.16,33.3,14.44,5.34,6 .11,0,0.81,0,0,0.65,0.65,0,0.54
German_Erlangen_GSM1658657,35.85,32.08,14.06,8.11, 5.5,1.2,0,1.22,0,0,0,1.99,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658658,43.43,25.78,11.99,7.98, 7.05,0,1.24,0,0.96,0,0,1.06,0.52
German_Erlangen_GSM1658659,39.88,24.69,19.13,2.36, 8.66,1.38,2.32,0,0.19,0.45,0.94,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658660,42.51,23.77,14.24,6.62, 9.9,0.39,1.03,0.53,0,0.85,0,0.16,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658661,35.33,30.61,11.93,7.77, 10.94,0,0,0,0.83,1.35,1.07,0,0.16
German_Erlangen_GSM1658662,40.66,22.8,18.98,7.86,5 .65,1.29,0,0,0.67,1.27,0.82,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658663,39.23,24.2,15.63,7.28,8 .75,2.53,1.48,0,0.89,0,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658664,35.02,31.69,13.95,5.89, 8.28,2.87,0.28,0,1.79,0.2,0,0.04,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658665,41.49,31.57,13.02,4.08, 6.63,0.25,0.14,0.9,0,0.51,1.42,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658666,39.77,26.46,15.19,4.64, 10.93,2.57,0,0,0,0.16,0.29,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658667,37.73,32.59,13.74,1.33, 9.43,0,1.62,0,1.24,0.99,0.62,0.52,0.19

Averages

German_Hamburg_patient,41.52411765,30.70058824,12. 31411765,6.44,4.481764706,0.956470588,0.991764706, 0.371176471,0.621764706,0.441176471,0.326470588,0. 258235294,0.574117647
German_Erlangen_patient,39.45604844,28.84824221,14 .1319308,6.314470588,7.229785467,0.871252595,0.869 550173,0.282719723,0.404138408,0.640484429,0.33184 083,0.268214533,0.352519031

https://i.imgur.com/tta038l.png

Leto

01-30-2022, 04:59 PM

Mein Name ist Gerhard Drogi (Jahrgang 1952). Seit Anfang Juni 2005 beschäftige ich mich mit der Vergangenheit unserer Familien - als Hobby, sofern dies meine Zeit als Verkaufsleiter eines großen niederländischen Unternehmens für Haushaltswaren aus Kunststoff zuläßt.

Ich bin also blutiger Anfänger in Sachen Genealogie und für jeden Hinweis dankbar. Die bisherigen 'Forschungsergebnisse' beruhen im Wesentlichen auf Befragungen unserer Verwandschaft und den vorliegenden Daten unser leider bereits verstorbenen Eltern und Großeltern. Die Daten der Lautner Linie aus Engelsberg / Sudetenland habe ich überwiegend der Häuserchronik des Ortes entnommen, die in jahrerlanger Kleinarbeit von Rudolf Quaiser erstellt wurde. Hierfür vielen Dank.

Wesentliche Familiennamen und Orte über die ich gerne mehr wissen möchte:

Namen: Baranowski, Constabel, Drogi, Geissler, Kunkel, Lautner, Schindler, Scholze Orte: Alteichen bzw. Golkowitz (Golkowice), Engelsberg, Kratzau, Neundorf

https://privat.genealogy.net/drogi.g/Vorstellung.htm

North_Atlantic 38.66 Pct
Baltic 31.07 Pct
West_Med 16.01 Pct
West_Asian 6.08 Pct
East_Med 4.45 Pct
Red_Sea 1.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.78 Pct
Oceanian 0.41 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T-Y6671 (very rare haplogroup)
H1ap1

Distance to: Gerhard
4.03538102 German_North_Bohemia
4.17716411 German_Saxony
5.15659772 German_County_Glatz
5.69710453 German
5.77557789 German_Thuringia_East
6.14310996 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.32550393 German_Thuringia_Central
6.42772899 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
6.43536324 Austrian_Styria
6.45517622 German_North_Moravia
6.47349983 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
6.53388093 Austrian
6.64730020 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
6.89755029 German_West_Bohemia
7.22114084 German_Hither_Pomerania
7.41122797 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
7.88832523 Austrian_Lower_Austria
8.11592262 German_Lower_Silesia
8.36167447 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.13695792 Slovene

Target: Gerhard
Distance: 1.5536% / 1.55360379 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.0 German_County_Glatz
22.6 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
17.6 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
12.7 Basque_France
7.5 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
2.0 German_Saxony

Target: Gerhard
Distance: 2.8282% / 2.82822680 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.2 German_County_Glatz
31.0 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
20.1 German_North_Bohemia
5.7 Basque_France

Leto

01-30-2022, 05:23 PM

No information on this account, not even their names (only the initials) but they seem to be Southwestern Germans having no Eastern European influence whatsoever

North_Atlantic 46.75 Pct
Baltic 21.21 Pct
West_Med 16.02 Pct
West_Asian 4.39 Pct
East_Med 7.81 Pct
Red_Sea 1.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.62 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Father
North_Atlantic 46.5 Pct
Baltic 20.16 Pct
West_Med 16.9 Pct
West_Asian 5.62 Pct
East_Med 7.49 Pct
Red_Sea 1.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.17 Pct

Mother
North_Atlantic 46.76 Pct
Baltic 20.76 Pct
West_Med 16.22 Pct
West_Asian 2.87 Pct
East_Med 9.92 Pct
Red_Sea 0.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.43 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Husband
North_Atlantic 41.01 Pct
Baltic 22.54 Pct
West_Med 16.91 Pct
West_Asian 9.67 Pct
East_Med 8.19 Pct
Red_Sea 0.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Amerindian 0.65 Pct
Oceanian 0.11 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Leto

01-30-2022, 05:32 PM

From around Cologne / Bonn (NRW), he has half a dozen relatives on his account

North_Atlantic 42.2 Pct
Baltic 24.91 Pct
West_Med 15.22 Pct
West_Asian 7.1 Pct
East_Med 7.43 Pct
Red_Sea 0.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.32 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.63 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: DA
2.04274325 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
3.62135334 German_North_Rhine
3.76548802 German_North_Moravia
3.97232929 German
4.16757723 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
4.18418451 German_Bavaria_Proper
4.24429028 French_Alsace
4.37424279 German_Baden-Württemberg
4.39508817 Flemish
4.55285625 Belgian
4.60202130 German_South_Hesse
4.98912818 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
5.05628322 Dutch_South
5.35153249 French_Northeast
5.45527268 Swiss_German
5.48206166 German_West_Bohemia
5.49284990 French_Normandy
5.53524164 German_North_Hesse
5.87896037 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.89298736 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine

Target: DA
Distance: 1.4394% / 1.43936135 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.0 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
19.5 Dutch_South
10.5 German

Ajeje Brazorf

02-02-2022, 03:49 PM

I tried to do an ancient Germanic proxy using samples from Germany and Szolad/Collegno. Some may have mixed ancestry though.

Samples used

Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:BIM33.SG,37.65,32.21,15.8 5,10.25,0,1.06,0.67,0,0.23,0,0.04,0,2.05
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR355c.SG,53.81,21.94,11 .01,1.12,7.44,0,2.99,0,0,1.35,0.34,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR220c.SG,38.43,26.03,19 .36,8.86,2,0.7,0,0,2.34,0,0,2.27,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap3a, 59.57,23.99,8.81,3.09,0,3.35,0,0,0,0.61,0.59,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Langobardian:NIEcap 6,46.37,17.37,10.48,17.08,3.23,2.58,1.44,0.07,0,0, 1.37,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c ,47.23,33.64,11.78,3.59,0,0,0,0,0,0.78,2.99,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:AED106.SG,46.79,23.39,8.4 9,15.35,0,0,0,0,1.27,1.54,2.3,0,0.87
Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG:AED249.SG,57.4,27.17,9 .14,4.43,0,0,0.61,1.25,0,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG:AED1135b.SG,21.65,39.8 6,12.4,15.64,0,9.1,0.46,0,0,0,0.9,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh1.SG,49.59,30.88,12.14 ,3,0,0.62,1.01,0.36,0,0.91,1.27,0.23,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh3a.SG,39.16,33.05,4.97 ,11.1,7.9,0,0,2.58,1.23,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh10.SG,50.47,28.86,8.83 ,1.45,2.02,5.99,0,1.51,0,0.88,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:NW255a.SG,48.03,26.92,10, 7.9,0,6.72,0,0,0,0.43,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR316b.SG,44.67,35.47,9. 01,0,0,0,9.65,0,1.21,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR480.SG,52.46,17.64,16. 36,3.91,0,4.24,5.39,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR486.SG,36,33.66,7.48,9 .66,3.22,1.44,6.84,0,0,0.08,0,0,1.62
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ2.SG,53.51,34.74,1.13,6.25, 0.85,0,0.01,0,0.52,0,0.88,2.1,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ3.SG,41.29,23.99,17.96,1.24 ,11.03,0,2.4,0,0,1.56,0.53,0,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ4.SG,47.19,29.56,9.12,6.92, 1.9,1.66,0.98,0.12,1.41,0,0.85,0.29,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ5.SG,41.19,26.06,11.63,4.28 ,11.27,2.18,0,0,0.16,2.65,0.58,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ7,48.42,28.5,11.02,3.98,1.66,1 .8,0,0,1.3,1.66,1.09,0.57,0
Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6:SZ8,47.08 ,21.46,13.12,1.93,9.36,0,4.36,0,0,0.29,0.61,1.78,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ9,49.77,31.73,11.18,2.73,0,0.7 6,3.32,0,0,0,0.51,0,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ11.SG,47.5,24.84,13.96,11.8 8,0,0,0,1.32,0.15,0.35,0,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ12,47.69,28.42,8.15,10.05,0,0, 2.29,0.07,0,0.57,2.54,0,0.22
Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22 :SZ13,51.49,25.93,7.02,6.07,0,3.37,2.83,0,0,2.03,1 .15,0,0.11
Hungary_Langobard:SZ14,38.5,24.78,18.99,13.02,0,0. 31,0,0,0,0,2.15,0,2.26
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ15.SG,54.32,23.5,8.97,7.79, 0,1.3,0.18,3.34,0.27,0.33,0,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ16,43.6,31.17,9.64,11.16,0,0,1 .59,0,0.86,0,1.31,0,0.67
Hungary_Langobard_o2:SZ18,34.54,21.21,17.42,12.31, 9.24,0.11,0,0,0.23,2.64,0.54,0,1.76
Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_brother.SZ22:SZ22,47.06 ,26.02,8.49,7.52,5.13,0,3.62,0,0,0,2.14,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ23,38.31,18.96,19.38,13.29,6.2 6,1.24,0,0,0.62,0.72,0.59,0.31,0.32
Hungary_Langobard:SZ24,46.15,22.23,13.17,0,13.69,0 ,2.75,0.34,0,1.33,0,0,0.34
Hungary_Langobard:SZ30,54.11,20.94,9.51,7.66,0,0,1 .1,0,2.78,1.49,1.92,0,0.49
Hungary_Langobard:SZ38,48.3,20.72,9.2,7.07,11.96,0 ,0,0,0,0.65,0.73,1.36,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ42,39.1,26.07,8.9,10.14,11.97, 1.04,0,0,0,1.14,1.64,0,0
Hungary_Langobard_o2.SG:SZ45.SG,33.93,21.99,17.54, 10.07,8.91,3.18,0.92,1.33,0.57,0,0,0,1.58
Hungary_Langobard:SZ25,39.05,29.52,4.04,11.97,8.7, 2.06,0,1.39,0,0,0.93,2.35,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL47,34.92, 18.32,23.77,4.64,11.66,3.17,0,0,2.67,0,0.08,0.36,0 .41
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL63,34.83, 21.34,15.99,12.93,13.83,0,0,0.85,0,0,0.24,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87:CL83,50.1,26.14,13.02,3.44,2.96,1.46,0, 0.78,0,1.19,0,0.91,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL84,48.13, 29.98,9.67,0.35,8.92,0.99,0,0,0.69,0.72,0,0.55,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL83 _mother.CL84_daughter.CL102:CL87,47.66,22.35,15.19 ,3.97,7.54,2.35,0,0.43,0,0.05,0,0,0.45
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93:CL 92,41.65,34.01,9.7,8.96,2.82,0,0,0.31,1.39,0,1.16, 0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL93,47.63, 26.5,11.94,8.46,1.27,1.51,0,0.08,0.76,0,1.4,0,0.45
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL102,42.07 ,21.56,17.2,6.77,10.02,0.5,0.64,0,1.11,0.12,0,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151:CL145,51.18,29.18,6,6.17,0.75,0,5.33, 0,0,0,0.41,0.97,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL146,53.52 ,25.08,9.05,7.91,1.86,0,0,0,0,0.8,0.17,0,1.59
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146:CL151,49.44,28.07,8.45,7.9,0,1.79,1 .93,0,0,1.21,1.2,0,0

Average

Germanic_proxy,45.35734694,26.46836735,11.54346939 ,7.250204082,4.06877551,1.35877551,1.292040816,0.3 29183673,0.444285714,0.573061224,0.717346939,0.286 734694,0.31

Distances

Distance to: Germanic_proxy
3.73452665 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.78577487 German_Westphalia
4.58127573 Dutch
4.93969279 German
5.08480003 Dutch_Central
5.20903900 German_Lower_Saxony_North
5.26793279 Dutch_South
5.49881968 English_Southeast
5.62530757 Dutch_North
5.81698810 English_Midlands
5.87018752 German_Schleswig-Holstein
5.98786269 English
6.00948260 German_North_Moravia
6.16256884 Flemish
6.28598178 English_North
6.38528103 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.49087955 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.63605793 Icelandic
6.65504010 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
6.66059318 Danish
6.81513783 English_Southwest
6.90955472 Belgian
6.94483581 Welsh
7.01391005 Swedish
7.06187938 Swedish_Götaland
7.10767389 Orcadian
7.11136698 Scottish
7.11385179 Scottish_Northeast
7.14092814 Scottish_East
7.14880121 Norwegian
7.17723467 Scottish_G?idhealtachd
7.17830302 Norwegian_Southcentral
7.37568534 Scottish_North-Highlands
7.45116629 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
7.52151889 Swedish_West-Svealand
7.52465821 Scottish_Southwest
7.60005381 German_Hamburg
7.63080181 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.63248398 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.74268183 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.74301104 Irish_Leinster
7.91480617 German_North_Rhine
8.21807748 French_Normandy
8.28676912 French_Brittany
8.47878177 Irish
8.50663592 Irish_Connacht
8.62602514 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
8.64461136 German_Saxony
8.92984000 Irish_Munster
9.06194327 German_North_Hesse
9.11548299 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
9.38381105 Irish_Ulster
9.47328691 Swedish_East-Svealand
9.57246303 French_Northeast
9.58489360 German_Bavaria_Proper
9.71882213 German_South_Hesse
9.78562219 German_Baden-Württemberg
9.80336914 French_Alsace
9.88153687 German_North_Bohemia

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/rzB6eBQ.png

Lucas

02-02-2022, 04:23 PM

Ajeje Brazorf

02-02-2022, 05:14 PM

Nice. Maybe Poprad Germanic Prince could be added but one sample can't change the average in any bigger way.

Also surprised that Dutch North is so low in distances. Not to mention Scandos. Very interesting.

I remade the average adding Poprad and excluding samples with less than 70% Germanic_Celtic ancestry in this table shared by Riverman on Anthrogenica.

https://i.ibb.co/BK0BDrF/Germanics.jpg

Germanic_NEW,47.21225,27.04175,10.47575,6.98725,3. 11875,1.076,1.32075,0.35375,0.4465,0.54,0.81475,0. 37625,0.23475

Distances

Distance to: Germanic_NEW
2.50853192 German_Westphalia
2.55451705 German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.98811184 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.82543231 Dutch
3.85260008 Dutch_North
3.93023948 Dutch_Central
4.32769366 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.46948234 Icelandic
4.49256635 Danish
4.89791919 Swedish_Götaland
4.90479636 Norwegian
4.94772345 Norwegian_Southcentral
5.43662003 Swedish
5.55120954 English_North
5.56085177 Swedish_West-Svealand
5.57446073 English_Southeast
5.60332467 English_Midlands
5.67229780 German_Hamburg
5.69887510 Scottish_G?idhealtachd
5.70376169 English
5.86918072 Orcadian
6.02492260 Scottish_Northeast
6.07982338 Scottish
6.17798166 Scottish_East
6.28108091 Welsh
6.36892592 Scottish_Southwest
6.45677453 Scottish_North-Highlands
6.53471594 English_Southwest
6.62582013 Dutch_South
6.70757910 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.75791184 Irish_Leinster
7.01822929 German
7.03027790 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.08819669 Irish_Connacht
7.09786217 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.23798676 Irish
7.55760560 Irish_Munster
7.71304268 Flemish
8.01980096 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
8.08260431 Irish_Ulster
8.25594225 German_North_Moravia
8.26829108 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
8.27206579 Swedish_East-Svealand
8.54733832 Belgian
8.80568324 French_Brittany
8.92013214 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
9.49376281 German_Frisian
9.72418621 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.72503765 French_Normandy
9.92102678 German_North_Rhine

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/ubsvch7.png

Lucas

02-02-2022, 06:52 PM

I remade the average adding Poprad and excluding samples with less than 70% Germanic_Celtic ancestry in this table shared by Riverman on Anthrogenica.

https://i.ibb.co/BK0BDrF/Germanics.jpg

Germanic_NEW,47.21225,27.04175,10.47575,6.98725,3. 11875,1.076,1.32075,0.35375,0.4465,0.54,0.81475,0. 37625,0.23475

Distances

Distance to: Germanic_NEW
2.50853192 German_Westphalia
2.55451705 German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.98811184 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.82543231 Dutch
3.85260008 Dutch_North
3.93023948 Dutch_Central
4.32769366 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.46948234 Icelandic
4.49256635 Danish
4.89791919 Swedish_Götaland
4.90479636 Norwegian
4.94772345 Norwegian_Southcentral
5.43662003 Swedish
5.55120954 English_North
5.56085177 Swedish_West-Svealand
5.57446073 English_Southeast
5.60332467 English_Midlands
5.67229780 German_Hamburg
5.69887510 Scottish_G?idhealtachd
5.70376169 English
5.86918072 Orcadian
6.02492260 Scottish_Northeast
6.07982338 Scottish
6.17798166 Scottish_East
6.28108091 Welsh
6.36892592 Scottish_Southwest
6.45677453 Scottish_North-Highlands
6.53471594 English_Southwest
6.62582013 Dutch_South
6.70757910 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.75791184 Irish_Leinster
7.01822929 German
7.03027790 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.08819669 Irish_Connacht
7.09786217 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.23798676 Irish
7.55760560 Irish_Munster
7.71304268 Flemish
8.01980096 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
8.08260431 Irish_Ulster
8.25594225 German_North_Moravia
8.26829108 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
8.27206579 Swedish_East-Svealand
8.54733832 Belgian
8.80568324 French_Brittany
8.92013214 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
9.49376281 German_Frisian
9.72418621 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.72503765 French_Normandy
9.92102678 German_North_Rhine

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/ubsvch7.png

Yes probably more close to original. Good work.

Leto

02-03-2022, 03:30 PM

Since I refuse to participate in the taxonomy bullshit, I'm gonna post this in this thread

Hi, do you think Franziska Brandmann from the FDP youth wing is fully German? She looks so Eastern, not even proper Slavic Russian but rather Uralic/Finno-Ugric. I can't find any information on her other than the birthplace which is Münster, NRW.

https://img.welt.de/img/politik/deutschland/mobile235010058/8231357907-ci16x9-w1200/Franziska-Brandmann-Portrait.jpg
https://www.julis.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Franziska-1400x750.jpg
https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/90a4732e-2f48-40b3-b13a-a204a9b0e531_w1200_r1_fpx67.34_fpy47.jpg
https://rp-online.de/imgs/32/1/1/8/2/6/5/8/6/3/tok_64667b4b6fb5825c63e358ea767ccb3c/w1900_h2848_x1198_y1796_Kandidatur_Brandmann_II_-660bed113ba3093b.jpg

Would love to see her autosomal. Keep her name in mind, perhaps she would appear on Gedmatch one day in case you also frequently browse through match lists.
The most Mongoloid-looking (potential) ethnic German I've ever seen in my life. Mind-blowing if true.

PaulieVanZant

02-03-2022, 04:08 PM

Since I refuse to participate in the taxonomy bullshit, I'm gonna post this in this thread

The most Mongoloid-looking (potential) ethnic German I've ever seen in my life. Mind-blowing if true.

Well there is also Armin Laschet:

https://i.ibb.co/1TDgrnh/video-thumb-5.jpg (https://ibb.co/1TDgrnh)

https://i.ibb.co/JHz5pSH/landtagswahl-sachsen-anhalt-wahlergebnis-armin-laschet-cdu-bundestagswahl-bild.jpg (https://ibb.co/JHz5pSH)

Catnip

02-05-2022, 05:41 PM

Just for fun:

https://i.imgur.com/6SFpCpq.jpg

I've read something in the older post,and now I can't find it. It was about Rheinland Westphalia and some genetic differences within the region.
You wrote something about tribal division of Franks and Saxons.
What is that difference between Germanic tribes? Were Franks more Celtic? I'm kind of new to genetics, so if it was already explained somewhere before, link would be great.

PaulieVanZant

02-09-2022, 08:54 PM

From Rhineland - Palatinate:

1 North_Atlantic 44.05
2 Baltic 25.49
3 West_Med 14.2
4 East_Med 9.33
5 West_Asian 4.08
6 Red_Sea 1.19
7 Northeast_African 0.88
8 Oceanian 0.51
9 Siberian 0.26

1 West_German 3.99
2 South_Dutch 4.32
3 North_German 7.11
4 Southeast_English 7.2
5 Austrian 7.76
6 Danish 8.34
7 North_Dutch 8.43
8 French 8.96
9 Orcadian 9
10 East_German 9.02
11 Southwest_English 9.52
12 Irish 10.35
13 Norwegian 10.37
14 Swedish 10.48
15 West_Scottish 10.76
16 Hungarian 12.06
17 North_Swedish 13.76
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.36
19 Serbian 16.53
20 Portuguese 17.38

Jana

02-15-2022, 11:05 PM

Entirely from NE of Schleswig-Holstein, close to Danish border. Interesting minor Slavic input.

North_Atlantic 48.87 Pct
Baltic 29.88 Pct
West_Med 12.47 Pct
West_Asian 3.59 Pct
East_Med 2.68 Pct
Red_Sea 0.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.45 Pct
Amerindian 0.55 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.95 Pct

3.39823484 Swedish
3.58308526 Swedish_West-Svealand
3.66050543 Swedish_Götaland
3.68808894 Danish
3.87081387 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.06505843 Norwegian_Southcentral
4.38653622 German_Lower_Saxony_North
4.41343404 Norwegian
4.50808163 Dutch_North
5.22789633 German_Hamburg
5.26342094 Dutch_Central
5.28924380 Dutch
5.53053343 Icelandic
5.59506926 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.61098031 German_Westphalia
6.30041268 Orcadian
6.37194437 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.44557988 Swedish_East-Svealand
6.70489374 English_North
6.80060291 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.08590855 Scottish_Northeast
7.08827200 English_Midlands
7.16487962 English
7.30363608 English_Southeast
7.34272429 Scottish_G?idhealtachd

Distance: 1.1022% / 1.10215601

47.5 Norwegian
29.6 German_East_Prussia_Central
9.7 Basque_France
7.7 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.8 Latvian
1.2 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
0.5 Yoruban

Distance: 1.9678% / 1.96780180 | R2P

89.8 German_Schleswig-Holstein
10.2 German_East_Prussia_Memelland

Jana

02-15-2022, 11:10 PM

German fully from Rhenish Hesse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhenish_Hesse quite northern shifted for his area.

North_Atlantic 48.74 Pct
Baltic 21.6 Pct
West_Med 12.44 Pct
West_Asian 6.57 Pct
East_Med 7.44 Pct
Red_Sea 1.05 Pct
South_Asian 1.38 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.78 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

3.27403421 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
3.90878498 English_Southeast
4.34956320 English_Midlands
4.44571704 English
4.67531817 Flemish
4.88823076 English_Southwest
4.92427660 Belgian
4.99982000 Dutch_South
5.20371982 English_North
5.32971857 French_Brittany
5.36000000 Dutch
5.52135853 Welsh
5.74926082 Scottish_East
5.77519697 Dutch_Central
5.77586357 Scottish
5.82994854 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.92341118 German_Westphalia
5.94619206 French_Normandy
6.02520539 Scottish_North-Highlands
6.19921769 Scottish_Southwest
6.37314679 Scottish_Northeast
6.44190189 Irish_Leinster
6.59566524 German_North_Rhine
6.67059967 Orcadian
7.05509036 German_North_Hesse

Distance: 1.0335% / 1.03350283

45.6 Scottish_Southwest
34.1 German_Frisian
8.3 Lebanese_Druze
6.3 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
4.5 Spanish_Valencia
1.2 Basque_France

Distance: 1.9949% / 1.99485849 | R2P

80.5 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
19.5 German_Frisian

Roy

02-16-2022, 02:40 PM

What's the highest % of Baltic component that any full German can score?

Jana

02-16-2022, 02:50 PM

What's the highest % of Baltic component that any full German can score?

German sample from Memelland in East Prussia scores 52% Baltic and is genetically Lithuanian like, I guess that is maximum value.

Jana

02-20-2022, 12:24 PM

two full Swiss-Germans :)

#1
North_Atlantic 43.25 Pct
Baltic 21.4 Pct
West_Med 17.5 Pct
West_Asian 7.08 Pct
East_Med 8.44 Pct
Red_Sea 1.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.63 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

1.82559579 French_Northeast
2.18849263 German_North_Rhine
2.38220486 German_South_Hesse
2.41960741 German_Saarland
3.39989706 French_Alsace
3.49635525 Dutch_Limburg
3.51688783 French_Hauts_de_France
3.51748490 French_Normandy
3.81687045 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.85615093 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
3.85646211 Swiss_German
4.29863932 Flemish
4.64040946 German_North_Hesse
4.84131181 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.10639795 German_Bavaria_Proper
5.11712810 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.26359193 French_Central
6.49452077 Swiss_French
6.69262280 French_Brittany
6.93620213 Dutch_North-Brabant
6.94606183 Austrian_Lower_Austria
7.37395416 Austrian_Tyrol
7.41008772 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
7.62775196 Dutch_South-Holland
7.73833315 German_North_Moravia

Distance: 1.1577% / 1.15769256 | R2P
61.7 Swiss_French
38.3 Welsh

#2
North_Atlantic 39.93 Pct
Baltic 22.2 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 7.26 Pct
East_Med 10.62 Pct
Red_Sea 0.5 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

2.09289273 Swiss_German
2.48197502 French_Alsace
2.72990842 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.37923068 German_South_Hesse
3.38775737 Swiss_French
3.45418587 German_Bavaria_Proper
4.05007407 Austrian_Tyrol
4.31490440 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
4.74293158 German_Saarland
4.74824178 German_North_Rhine
4.75102094 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
4.78191384 French_Northeast
4.85156418 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.80444657 Dutch_Limburg
5.98072738 French_Central
5.98116209 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
6.06070128 German_North_Hesse
6.22610633 German_West_Bohemia
6.30182513 French_Hauts_de_France
6.55241940 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
6.83755073 German_Bavarian_Swabia
6.98189802 Austrian_Burgenland
7.18648732 French_Normandy
7.58366666 Flemish
7.80208306 German_North_Moravia

Distance: 1.4262% / 1.42624233 | R2P
59.7 German_Saarland
40.3 German_Bavarian_Swabia

Roy

02-28-2022, 12:08 PM

German sample from Memelland in East Prussia scores 52% Baltic and is genetically Lithuanian like, I guess that is maximum value.

Interesting, it is though crucial to note that Memelland is where Klaipėda region is which is well ... Lithuanian.

Roy

03-01-2022, 06:48 PM

rothaer

03-01-2022, 07:20 PM

(...) I guess that this Anglo-Saxon migration involved a lot of people who were a lot like this man. (...)

From logics and if the British Isles were not empty land, the mixing result is similar to that guy, not the emigrating individuals.

And yes, there can well have emerged a resembling mixing result of Germanic and Celto-Romanic after 1,500 years in England and in Rhein Hesse, which is today a part of Rhineland-Palatinate.

Jana

03-05-2022, 11:39 AM

Two Germans fully from Masuria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masuria

#1
North_Atlantic 31.74 Pct
Baltic 46.77 Pct
West_Med 11.29 Pct
West_Asian 3.53 Pct
East_Med 1.42 Pct
Red_Sea 1.84 Pct
South_Asian 0.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.58 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.68 Pct

3.07730401 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
3.76753235 Polish_Kujavia
3.96068176 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
6.08317351 Polish_Mazovia
6.12379784 Polish_Greater_Poland
6.21092586 Russian_Smolensk
6.33639487 Polish_Lesser_Poland
6.57611587 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
6.74094207 Estonian
6.84929923 Upper_Silesia
7.07572611 Belarusian_Minsk
7.30593594 Polish_Silesia
7.31696658 Ukrainian_Northwest
7.35227856 Polish_Podlaskie
7.87062259 Polish_South
8.03937187 Ukrainian_North
8.22459725 Polish_Subcarpathia
8.26797436 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
8.52699244 Russian_Southwest
8.78556771 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
8.78769594 Russian_Pskov
8.90509405 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
8.97609603 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
9.00733590 Russian_Ryazan
9.26522531 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 1.9629% / 1.96290502 | R2P

85.9 Russian_Pskov
14.1 Basque_France

Distance: 2.0259% / 2.02585422 | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.4 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
41.0 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
6.5 Sámi_Finland
4.4 Basque_France
2.7 Finnish_East

#2
North_Atlantic 29.67 Pct
Baltic 48.02 Pct
West_Med 11.08 Pct
West_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_Med 2.23 Pct
Red_Sea 1.18 Pct
South_Asian 1.48 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.29 Pct

3.44384959 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
3.71288298 Russian_Smolensk
3.83173590 Polish_Kujavia
3.96939542 Polish_Mazovia
4.36772252 Belarusian_Minsk
4.82201203 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
4.92094503 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
5.36373937 Ukrainian_Northwest
5.80005172 Polish_Greater_Poland
6.05612087 Ukrainian_North
6.21772466 Polish_Podlaskie
6.25088794 Polish_Lesser_Poland
6.43390239 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
6.47779283 Polish_Silesia
6.50405258 Russian_Southwest
6.68579090 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
6.92605949 Russian_Pskov
6.95202129 Russian_Ryazan
7.25523259 Estonian
7.31271495 Upper_Silesia
7.51663489 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
7.75519181 Polish_South
7.77767960 Polish_Subcarpathia
8.18447310 Ukrainian_South
8.55555375 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 1.3014% / 1.30143264 | R2P

57.7 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
42.3 Polish_Silesia

Distance: 0.7998% / 0.79976452 | ADC: 0.25x RC

46.0 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
31.9 Polish_Kujavia
13.6 Polish_Mazovia
6.6 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
1.9 Sardinian

Roy

03-05-2022, 09:51 PM

From logics and if the British Isles were not empty land, the mixing result is similar to that guy, not the emigrating individuals.

And yes, there can well have emerged a resembling mixing result of Germanic and Celto-Romanic after 1,500 years in England and in Rhein Hesse, which is today a part of Rhineland-Palatinate.

My scenario is though still possible imho. Not like it matters a lot anyway.

Jana

03-05-2022, 09:54 PM

Half east German half north German. Haplogroup R1b L23.

North_Atlantic 45.73 Pct
Baltic 31.26 Pct
West_Med 14.81 Pct
West_Asian 2.04 Pct
East_Med 3.99 Pct
Red_Sea 0.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.86 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.48 Pct

5.59729176 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.31317670 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.01535459 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.15065032 German_Schleswig-Holstein
7.33340985 Dutch_South-Holland
7.46181613 German_Mecklenburg_West
7.51163098 Swedish_West-Svealand
7.54666151 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.69199584 German_East_Prussia_Central
7.84694845 Swedish_East-Svealand
8.07216204 Swedish_Götaland
8.13328347 Danish
8.26863955 German_Lower_Saxony_North
8.53516256 Norwegian_Southcentral
8.68021313 Dutch_Overijssel
8.71547474 German_Lower_Saxony_South
8.73047536 Dutch_North-Brabant
8.74239670 Dutch_Friesland
8.81656396 German_Westphalia
8.87013529 English_Northeast
8.91951792 Dutch_Gelderland
8.92499860 German_Hamburg
8.94073263 English_East-Midlands
9.05177883 German_Saxony
9.09557585 German_North_Bohemia

Distance: 1.5964% / 1.59636032 | ADC: 0.25x RC

62.6 German_East_Prussia_Central
21.7 German_North_Bohemia
14.7 Basque_France
1.0 German_Hither_Pomerania

Jana

03-05-2022, 09:59 PM

Eastern German from various regions. R1a M458 (L1029)

North_Atlantic 37.36 Pct
Baltic 35.35 Pct
West_Med 11.43 Pct
West_Asian 5.21 Pct
East_Med 5.73 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.04 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African 0.56 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.22 Pct

4.02779096 German_Thuringia_East
4.40841241 German_West_Prussia
4.67864297 German_Farther_Pomerania
4.86349668 German_Lower_Silesia
5.57017953 German_North_Bohemia
5.63108338 German_Saxony
5.89230855 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
6.11442557 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
6.38780870 Czech
7.10089431 German_County_Glatz
7.24511560 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
7.34145762 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.37272677 Austrian_Styria
7.58092343 German_Thuringia_Central
7.62533934 Slovene
7.65309088 Croat_Northwest
7.67170125 Slovak
7.83342677 German_Hither_Pomerania
8.12123759 Austrian_Carinthia
8.84972881 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.92076790 Hungarian_North
8.94344453 Croat_GorskiKotar
9.13073381 German_Mecklenburg_West
9.66016045 German_North_Moravia
9.75374800 Upper_Silesia

Distance: 1.4571% / 1.45706382 | ADC: 0.25x RC

47.1 German_Saxony
18.5 Czech
18.2 Polish_Kujavia
16.2 German_East_Prussia_Central

J. Ketch

03-05-2022, 10:49 PM

My scenario is though still possible imho. Not like it matters a lot anyway.
There probably would have been some amongst the Anglo-Saxon invaders who resembled that German, Celtic mixed Franks etc (there were even Wends among the invaders), but on average the Anglo-Saxons were very Germanic and more northern than that, more like Danes and Frisians. They still can't distinguish Anglo-Saxon from Danish Viking blood in England (but can from Norwegians/Swedes).

Many English are pulled towards Central West Germans rather than Northwest Germans because of later Norman French influence.
https://i.postimg.cc/Cxdy4tGb/SaxonPCA.png

rothaer

03-05-2022, 11:01 PM

There probably would have been some amongst the Anglo-Saxon invaders who resembled that German, Celtic mixed Franks etc (there were even Wends among the invaders), (...)

The Anglo-Saxon migration to the British Isles was at abt. 450 AD. From where shall Wends (!) have come at that time?

J. Ketch

03-05-2022, 11:09 PM

The Anglo-Saxon migration to the British Isles was at abt. 450 AD. From where shall Wends (!) have come at that time?
From the East, same as everyone else ;)

Further reading here:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Race/Chapter_6

rothaer

03-05-2022, 11:10 PM

Interesting, it is though crucial to note that Memelland is where Klaipėda region is which is well ... Lithuanian.

It may be noted that the border between Memelland and Lithuania, that you here do - say - not emphasise very much :) actually was especially old and long lasting:

"In 1422, the Treaty of Melnosee established the border with Lithuania. This remained largely unchanged until 1920, even after Lithuania had fallen to Poland in the 16th century and with it to Russia after the third partition of the country in 1795. After the Pyrenean border, it was the oldest in Europe."

(Quote translated from German Wikipedia article Memelland)

rothaer

03-05-2022, 11:44 PM

From the East, same as everyone else ;)

Further reading here:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Race/Chapter_6

Okay, this is real nonsense (from 1906) that is confusing times and identities.

The linkage is obviously an information by Bede and place names that Rugians were among the settlers. This is well possible btw.

The authors refer to the (non-Slavic, non-Germanic) IE Vistula-Veneds from abt. 100 AD, state that they were Slavic Wends and conclude that the Rugians (them being Germanics is proven by their various names in later Rugilant in Lower Austria) that lived in nearby Pomerania must in fact have been Slavic Wends. The authors see themselves confirmed by the fact, that in the 9th century there were Slavs, the tribe of Rujans, on the island of today Rügen.

Obviously the Slavic expansion from abt. 550 AD on, that brought them to all over Eastern Germania magna and also later Eastern Germany, was not known to these authors.

Also, they stick to an old erronous tale about Vandals being Wends, i. e. Slavs, as a fact. Not only that all known Vandal personal names from the migration period are clearly Germanic (like Geiserich, Gelimer, Godigisel, Gunderich, Gunthamund, Hilderich, Hunerich and Thrasamund), but in later times we have the DNA sequenced from the Eastern Germanic - assumingly Vandal - chieftain DA119 (abt. 430 AD) from Deutschendorf-Matzdorf (Poprad-Matejovce in Slovakian) in Eastern Slovakia. This DNA is close to today Dutch DNA and has no proportion of Slavic-like DNA.

Also, some irrational German nationalists that can not stand the idea that Eastern Germans do have a notable proportion of non-Germanic ancestry claim that all Slavs are just an invention and they in fact are all Eastern Germanics that by some evil actions just got that Slavic language imposed by - I don't know. However, various DNA finds, including the mentioned DA119, do confirm that Eastern Germanics did not have the well known Slavic-like DNA and the latter first spread with the Slavic expansion over Eastern Germany. So also that general equalizing of Eastern Germanics and Slavs should now be discarded by everyone that is accepting scientific DNA results.

J. Ketch

03-05-2022, 11:55 PM

Okay, this is real nonsense (from 1906) that is confusing times and identities.

The linkage is obviously an information by Bede and place names that Rugians were among the settlers. This is well possible btw.

The authors refer to the (non-Slavic, non-Germanic) IE Vistula-Veneds from abt. 100 AD, state that they were Slavic Wends and conclude that the Rugians (them being Germanics is proven by their various names in Later Rugilant in Lower Austria) that lived in nearby Pomerania must in fact have been Slavic Wends. The authors see themselves confirmed by the fact, that in the 9th century there were Slavs, the tribe of Rujans, on the island of today Rügen.

Obviously the Slavic expansion from abt. 550 AD on, that brought them to all over Eastern Germania magna and also later Eastern Germany, was not known to these authors.

Also they stick to an old erronous tale about Vandals being Wends, i. e. Slavs, as a fact. Not only that all known Vandal personal names from the migration period are clearly Germanic (like Geiserich, Hunerich etc.), but in later times we have the DNA sequenced from the assumingly Vandal chieftain DA119 (abt. 430 AD) from Deutschendorf-Matzdorf (Poprad-Matejovce in Slovakian) in Eastern Slovakia. This DNA is close to today Dutch DNA and has no proportion of Slavic-like DNA.

Also some irrational German nationalists that can not stand the idea that Eastern Germans do have a notable proportion of non-Germanic ancestry claim that all Slavs are just an invention and they in fact are all Eastern Germanics that by some evil actions just got that Slavic language imposed by - I don't know. However, various DNA finds, including the mentioned DA119, do confirm that Eastern Germanics did not have the well known Slavic-like DNA and the latter first spread with the Slavic expansion over Eastern Germany. So also that general equalizing of Eastern Germanics and Slavs should now be discarded by everyone that is accepting scientific DNA results.
Point taken. I mentioned them only as an illustration that the Anglo-Saxon invasions were more heterogenous than is often thought (more than simply Angles, Saxons and Jutes).

Roy

03-06-2022, 07:06 PM

There probably would have been some amongst the Anglo-Saxon invaders who resembled that German, Celtic mixed Franks etc (there were even Wends among the invaders), but on average the Anglo-Saxons were very Germanic and more northern than that, more like Danes and Frisians. They still can't distinguish Anglo-Saxon from Danish Viking blood in England (but can from Norwegians/Swedes).

Many English are pulled towards Central West Germans rather than Northwest Germans because of later Norman French influence.
https://i.postimg.cc/Cxdy4tGb/SaxonPCA.png

Your explanation/reasoning makes perfect sense to me.

Peterski

03-06-2022, 07:27 PM

Rothaer & Creoda,

The Anglo-Saxon migration did not start and end in 450 AD. It lasted for about 100-150 years - each year new boats were coming.

Quote:

"(...) One of the arguments against an Anglo-Saxon ‘folk migration’ has been the presumed lack of sea transport capacity. However, assuming up to 200,000 migrants and a migration period of about 100 years, the seemingly large number of migrants breaks down into no more than 2000 per year. Depending on assumptions about additional cargo, this translates into 100 to 200 boat loads of the Nydam type, the large rowing boat found in the Jutish bog deposit of Nydam and dating to around ad 400. If each boat made no more than two return trips per season, the entire migration would not have required more than 50 to 100 boats in operation at any one time in the triangle between southern Norway, the western Baltic and the mouth of the Rhine. (...) The immigration itself was not a single ‘invasion’, but rather a series of intrusions and immigrations over a considerable period, differing from region to region, and changing over time even within regions. The total immigrant population may have numbered somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 over about a century. (...)"

So ethnically Slavic migrants could arrive even as late as in 550 AD or 600 AD, and that was still part of the Anglo-Saxon migration.

The Anglo-Saxon migration to the British Isles was at abt. 450 AD.

No - it was from 450 AD to 600 AD. It was a process which lasted for approximately 150 years. See the quotation above.

Peterski

03-06-2022, 08:26 PM

Aremorica is not just today's Brittany. It is today's Brittany + Normandy as far east as the Seine River (the mouth of the Seine).

This was the easternmost Armorican tribe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexovii ("Lexovii were part of the civitates Aremoricae")

And what is your evidence that Saxons lived there ???

What you do quote is a speculation

No it is not a speculation, it is a scientific theory by Dr Heinrich Härke:

https://www.reading.ac.uk/archaeology/staff/heinrich-harke

Peterski

03-06-2022, 08:33 PM

Ethnic map of ancient Western Europe, you see Lexovii (Armorican tribe) living near the mouth of the Seine River:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexovii

To the east of Lexovii lived the Belgae, also Celtic peoples. Where do you see Saxons in this area? Any evidence?:

https://i.redd.it/y3akpsjso6gz.jpg

Even to the east of the Belgae there were Frisii (Frisians) not Saxons; and yes they also participated in migration:

https://i.redd.it/y3akpsjso6gz.jpg

Peterski

03-06-2022, 08:38 PM

The German Wikipedia article has notable more content than the English one.

The English wikipedia is more objective and based on internationally accepted sources.

Also your German wikipedia article does not cite any source to support this information.

What book is this?:

Stefanie Dick: 2015, S. 29–30

Peterski

03-06-2022, 08:40 PM

We simply don't know how exactly that migration took place.

We know because there is the "Anglo-Saxon Chronicle" (which describes the events year by year) and there is archeology.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/ang05.asp

Migration starts in 449 AD:

A.D. 449. This year Marcian and Valentinian assumed the empire, and reigned seven winters. In their days Hengest and Horsa, invited by Wurtgern, king of the Britons to his assistance, landed in Britain in a place that is called Ipwinesfleet; first of all to support the Britons, but they afterwards fought against them. The king directed them to fight against the Picts; and they did so; and obtained the victory wheresoever they came. They then sent to the Angles, and desired them to send more assistance. They described the worthlessness of the Britons, and the richness of the land. They then sent them greater support. Then came the men from three powers of Germany; the Old Saxons, the Angles, and the Jutes. From the Jutes are descended the men of Kent, the Wightwarians (that is, the tribe that now dwelleth in the Isle of Wight), and that kindred in Wessex that men yet call the kindred of the Jutes. From the Old Saxons came the people of Essex and Sussex and Wessex. From Anglia, which has ever since remained waste between the Jutes and the Saxons, came the East Angles, the Middle Angles, the Mercians, and all of those north of the Humber. Their leaders were two brothers, Hengest and Horsa; who were the sons of Wihtgils; Wihtgils was the son of Witta, Witta of Wecta, Wecta of Woden. From this Woden arose all our royal kindred, and that of the Southumbrians also.

((A.D. 449. And in their days Vortigern invited the Angles thither, and they came to Britain in three ceols, at the place called Wippidsfleet.))

=====

And ca. 50 years later the chronicle mentions that more people are still coming (with more boats):

A.D. 495. This year came two leaders into Britain, Cerdic and Cynric his son, with five ships, at a place that is called Cerdic's-ore. And they fought with the Welsh the same day. Then he died, and his son Cynric succeeded to the government, and held it six and twenty winters. Then he died; and Ceawlin, his son, succeeded, who reigned seventeen years. Then he died; and Ceol succeeded to the government, and reigned five years. When he died, Ceolwulf, his brother, succeeded, and reigned seventeen years. Their kin goeth to Cerdic. Then succeeded Cynebils, Ceolwulf's brother's son, to the kingdom; and reigned one and thirty winters. And he first of West-Saxon kings received baptism. Then succeeded Cenwall, who was the son of Cynegils, and reigned one and thirty winters. Then held Sexburga, his queen, the government one year after him. Then succeeded Escwine to the kingdom, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and held it two years. Then succeeded Centwine, the son of Cynegils, to the kingdom of the West-Saxons, and reigned nine years. Then succeeded Ceadwall to the government, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and held it three years. Then succeeded Ina to the kingdom of the West-Saxons, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and reigned thirty-seven winters. Then succeeded Ethelheard, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and reigned sixteen years. Then succeeded Cuthred, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and reigned sixteen winters. Then succeeded Sigebriht, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and reigned one year. Then succeeded Cynwulf, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and reigned one and thirty winters. Then succeeded Brihtric, whose kin goeth to Cerdic, and reigned sixteen years. Then succeeded Egbert to the kingdom, and held it seven and thirty winters, and seven months. Then succeeded Ethelwulf, his son, and reigned eighteen years and a half. Ethelwulf was the son of Egbert, Egbert of Ealmund, Ealmund of Eafa, Eafa of Eoppa, Eoppa of Ingild, Ingild of Cenred (Ina of Cenred, Cuthburga of Cenred, and Cwenburga of Cenred), Cenred of Ceolwald, Ceolwald of Cuthwulf, Cuthwulf of Cuthwine, Cuthwine of Celm, Celm of Cynric, Cynric of Creoda, Creoda of Cerdic. Then succeeded Ethelbald, the son of Ethelwulf, to the kingdom, and held it five years. Then succeeded Ethelbert, his brother, and reigned five years. Then succeeded Ethelred, his brother, to the kingdom, and held it five years. Then succeeded Alfred, their brother, to the government. And then had elapsed of his age three and twenty winters, and three hundred and ninety-six winters from the time when his kindred first gained the land of Wessex from the Welsh. And he held the kingdom a year and a half less than thirty winters. Then succeeded Edward, the son of Alfred, and reigned twenty-four winters. When he died, then succeeded Athelstan, his son, and reigned fourteen years and seven weeks and three days. Then succeeded Edmund, his brother, and reigned six years and a half, wanting two nights. Then succeeded Edred, his brother, and reigned nine years and six weeks. Then succeeded Edwy, the son of Edmund, and reigned three years and thirty-six weeks, wanting two days. When he died, then succeeded Edgar, his brother, and reigned sixteen years and eight weeks and two nights. When he died, then succeeded Edward, the son of Edgar (...)

Peterski

03-06-2022, 08:47 PM

Rothaer, when excavating Anglo-Saxon burials, archeologists are able to tell if someone buried in a grave was an immigrant or British-born.

They check this using strontium etc. isotopes levels from teeth etc. (it is not based on DNA).

And there are graves from as late as 550-600 AD which still show non-local isotope values. Which means they came to Britain as immigrants.

Based on such evidence Dr Heinrich Härke wrote that the migration was a prolonged process.

Peterski

03-06-2022, 08:57 PM

Anglo-Saxon Chronicle continued - 6th century and new immigrants are still being mentioned:

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/ang06.asp

A.D. 501. This year Porta and his two sons, Beda and Mela, came into Britain, with two ships, at a place called Portsmouth.

A.D. 514. This year came the West-Saxons into Britain, with three ships, at the place that is called Cerdic's-ore.

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Obviously only a fraction of immigrants were mentioned in the chronicle, especially some of the important ones by name.

Peterski

03-06-2022, 09:16 PM

This map basically indicates that there were Saxons present already in Roman Britain ca. 380 AD:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsenk%C3%BCste#/media/Datei:Litus_Saxonicum.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Litus_Saxonicum.png

^^^
So I'm not sure why do you even write that some invasion across the Channel was necessary, if they were in Britain?

However, I suppose those were only Saxon mercenaries serving in the Roman Army.

And Dr Heinrich Harke is writing about a migration of entire families, not just males.

And those families came not from that "Saxon Shore" (where only mercenaries were present), but from further east.

No Slav was close to the North Sea at abt. 600 AD.

We don't know actually. A lot of the area was depopulated and there could be some Slavs expanding that far to the north-west already at that time.

Peterski

03-06-2022, 09:28 PM

a process that never stopped

Whaaat? Saxon boats are still rowing to Britain in the current year 2022 ??? :confused:

Maybe Sadistiq Khan - the mayor of London - is indeed Saxon. The name fits.

Peterski

03-06-2022, 09:44 PM

(...)

Anyway those Saxons were not numerous enough, as they were just scattered mercenaries in Roman service.

Dr Heinrich Harke is right that most of the ca. 200,000 migrants came across the North Sea, not the Channel.

And large areas of for example Jutland were depopulated as the result.

Still one or another Saxon emigrate to England, yes, for sure.

And Vikings are still invading German coast. You are a good example (from Sweden to Germany). ;)

But is Sadistiq Khan Anglo-Saxon?

Kyp

03-08-2022, 11:27 AM

Nearly 100% from Lower Franconia (my uncle), there is some distant French and Italian down the line but nothing significant:

North_Atlantic 43,49%
Baltic 26,63%
West_Med 14,00%
West_Asian 3,61%
East_Med 6,43%
Red_Sea 1,93%
South_Asian 2,06%
East_Asian 0,32%
Amerindian 0,07%
Oceanian 0,14%
Northeast_African 0,78%
Sub-Saharan 0,53%

Distance to: Low_Franconian
3.53342610 German
4.72619297 Dutch_South
5.69803475 Belgian
6.23794037 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
6.86105677 Dutch
7.09239734 German_Southwest
7.18642470 English_Southeast
7.26539744 German_Southeast
7.27669568 French_Alsace
7.31318672 French_North
7.46062330 English_Midlands
7.46079084 German_Northwest
7.56540812 Dutch_Central
8.11645243 French_Brittany
8.46307864 English_Southwest
8.46831152 Swiss_German
8.50620362 English_North
8.54352972 Austrian
8.58533634 Dutch_North
8.93658772 Swedish
8.95681724 Austrian_Lower_Austria
9.16577329 Austrian_Burgenland
9.48192491 Welsh
9.70430832 Danish
9.99281242 Swedish_Götaland

Target: Low_Franconian
Distance: 1.2728% / 1.27275704 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.4 Swedish
32.7 German
13.9 Portuguese
3.1 Algerian
0.9 Ho

1 53,52% French + 46,48% North_Swedish @ 2,314
2 50,39% North_Swedish + 49,61% French @ 2,529
3 80,08% South_Dutch + 19,92% Southwest_Finnish @ 2,786
4 84,77% South_Dutch + 15,23% Estonian @ 2,812
5 60,55% North_Swedish + 39,45% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2,816
6 71,48% Southeast_English + 28,52% Croatian @ 2,821
7 51,95% Southeast_English + 48,05% East_German @ 2,876
8 50,39% East_German + 49,61% Southeast_English @ 2,895
9 86,33% South_Dutch + 13,67% Lithuanian @ 2,923
10 63,67% North_Swedish + 36,33% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2,945

1 33% East_German + 33% Swedish + 33% French @ 2,513
2 33% Danish + 33% East_German + 33% French @ 2,770
3 33% West_German + 33% Southeast_English + 33% East_German @ 2,996
4 33% North_Dutch + 33% East_German + 33% French @ 2,997
5 33% Southeast_English + 33% Southeast_English + 33% Croatian @ 3,095
6 33% French + 33% West_Scottish + 33% South_Polish @ 3,118
7 33% North_Swedish + 33% North_Swedish + 33% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3,118
8 33% Southeast_English + 33% Southeast_English + 33% Hungarian @ 3,144
9 33% Icelandic + 33% Southwest_English + 33% Serbian @ 3,166
10 33% North_Swedish + 33% North_Swedish + 33% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3,198

Peterski

03-12-2022, 01:24 AM

(...)

Have you heard about Verband der Deutschen Slawischer Abstammung ???

Lech Wielkopolski posted about it on Historum (I do not know who this guy is):

https://historum.com/threads/verband-der-deutschen-slawischer-abstammung.136697/

https://i.imgur.com/2C4K8GD.png

J. Ketch

03-19-2022, 06:55 AM

If people find Dutch/Flemish kits please post them here too, no need for another thread.

J. Ketch

03-19-2022, 07:31 AM

Austrian/German from Gottschee

Kit A573201

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.53
2 Baltic 30.9
3 West_Med 18.49
4 East_Med 9.86
5 West_Asian 5.48
6 Red_Sea 1
7 East_Asian 0.74
8 Siberian 0.56
9 South_Asian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.68
2 Austrian 5.92
3 East_German 6.48
4 Croatian 7.86
5 Serbian 8.7
6 Moldavian 9.07
7 South_Polish 12.5
8 West_German 12.52
9 Romanian 12.63
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.03
11 South_Dutch 13.43
12 Ukrainian 13.87
13 French 14.91
14 Bulgarian 15.27
15 North_German 15.89
16 Polish 15.9
17 North_Swedish 17.29
18 Swedish 17.81
19 Southeast_English 18.05
20 Danish 18.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Ukrainian + 38.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.61
2 62.9% Ukrainian + 37.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.64
3 53.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.79
4 58.9% Ukrainian + 41.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.84
5 62.2% Ukrainian + 37.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.93
6 65.4% South_Polish + 34.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.96
7 61.5% Ukrainian + 38.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.97
8 62.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.99
9 73.3% Croatian + 26.7% Southwest_French @ 2.01
10 61% Ukrainian + 39% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.05
11 54% Southwest_Russian + 46% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.09
12 55.2% Russian_Smolensk + 44.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.1
13 81.3% Croatian + 18.7% French_Basque @ 2.1
14 58.9% Ukrainian + 41.1% Portuguese @ 2.13
15 55.9% Southwest_Russian + 44.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.14
16 55.2% Southwest_Russian + 44.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.16
17 56.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.17
18 54.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 45.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.18
19 60.1% Ukrainian + 39.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.19
20 55.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.22

Distance to: Gottschee
4.64823622 Austrian_Styria
5.03568267 Austrian_Carinthia
5.05748950 Croat_GorskiKotar
5.25474072 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.37120098 Slovene
5.84084754 German_Bavarian_Swabia
5.89279221 Hungarian_Alföld
6.06417348 Croat_Central
6.28331919 German_County_Glatz
6.64380915 Croat_Northwest
7.10502639 Croat_Lika
7.20442919 Croat_Kvarner
7.31970628 Hungarian_North
7.41268507 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.41761417 Croat_Istria
7.43374737 Csángó-Ceangău
7.68590918 German_West_Bohemia
7.84775764 German_North_Bohemia
8.05276350 German_Thuringia_Central
8.26214258 Croat_Dalmatia

Target: Gottschee
Distance: 0.9188% / 0.91879332 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.7 Slovene
7.0 Sardinian
5.3 Basque_France

Target: Gottschee
Distance: 1.2211% / 1.22105599 | R2P
69.3 Lemko_Poland
30.7 French_South

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Fully German American from Pittsburgh

Kit WJ5201057

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.3
2 Baltic 21.2
3 West_Med 15.93
4 East_Med 9.11
5 West_Asian 8.65
6 Oceanian 0.89
7 Red_Sea 0.74
8 Sub-Saharan 0.55
9 East_Asian 0.31
10 Siberian 0.29
11 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 2.67
2 South_Dutch 3.91
3 French 6.19
4 Southeast_English 9.19
5 Austrian 9.19
6 North_German 9.77
7 Southwest_English 10.64
8 Orcadian 11.09
9 North_Dutch 11.11
10 Danish 11.21
11 East_German 11.3
12 Irish 11.87
13 West_Scottish 12.36
14 Hungarian 13.19
15 Spanish_Cataluna 13.44
16 Norwegian 13.44
17 Swedish 14.01
18 Portuguese 14.59
19 Spanish_Galicia 14.77
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.8% West_German + 3.2% Abhkasian @ 1.92
2 96.7% West_German + 3.3% Georgian @ 1.93
3 96.6% West_German + 3.4% Armenian @ 1.97
4 93.8% West_German + 6.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.99
5 96.5% West_German + 3.5% Ossetian @ 2
6 94.4% South_Dutch + 5.6% Abhkasian @ 2.01
7 93.9% South_Dutch + 6.1% Armenian @ 2.04
8 94.1% South_Dutch + 5.9% Georgian @ 2.04
9 73.8% Orcadian + 26.2% Central_Greek @ 2.04
10 95.1% West_German + 4.9% South_Italian @ 2.05
11 96.4% West_German + 3.6% Balkar @ 2.05
12 94.7% West_German + 5.3% Central_Greek @ 2.06
13 91.2% West_German + 8.8% North_Italian @ 2.06
14 96.2% West_German + 3.8% Turkish @ 2.07
15 93% West_German + 7% Tuscan @ 2.07
16 96.6% West_German + 3.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.08
17 96.9% West_German + 3.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.08
18 96.6% West_German + 3.4% Adygei @ 2.08
19 94.5% West_German + 5.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.1
20 96.6% West_German + 3.4% Cyprian @ 2.1

Distance to: Pittsburgh
2.16686409 Swiss_German_North
2.19834028 German_North_Rhine
3.27140643 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.50074278 French_Northeast
3.50424029 French_Alsace
3.74156384 German_South_Hesse
3.88325894 Swiss_German
4.10908749 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
4.33013857 German_Bavaria_Proper
4.38788104 German_Saarland
4.94283320 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.01351174 Dutch_Limburg
5.12435362 German_North_Hesse
5.15463869 French_Hauts_de_France
5.34889708 Flemish
5.43593598 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.51718225 French_Normandy
6.25605307 Swiss_French
6.44399721 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
6.61697816 Austrian_Tyrol

Target: Pittsburgh
Distance: 1.2505% / 1.25051648 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
97.1 German_North_Rhine
2.9 Greek_Pontus

Target: Pittsburgh
Distance: 1.0451% / 1.04505770 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.9 German_North_Rhine
37.9 Swiss_German_North
18.9 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
3.0 German_Bavaria_Proper
2.3 Turkish_Meskheti

J. Ketch

03-21-2022, 07:41 PM

If people find Dutch/Flemish kits please post them here too, no need for another thread.
4 Dutch from South Holland:

Kit GS8697977

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.96
2 Baltic 22.44
3 West_Med 14.58
4 East_Med 6.46
5 West_Asian 3.45
6 Siberian 1.36
7 Oceanian 0.83
8 Red_Sea 0.8
9 Amerindian 0.6
10 Sub-Saharan 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.19
12 Northeast_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.84
2 Southwest_English 4.69
3 South_Dutch 4.87
4 Orcadian 4.99
5 North_Dutch 6.22
6 West_German 6.25
7 West_Scottish 6.34
8 Irish 6.48
9 Danish 6.58
10 North_German 7.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.9% Southeast_English + 4.1% Tunisian @ 1.91
2 95.9% Southeast_English + 4.1% Algerian @ 1.93
3 95.9% Southeast_English + 4.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.95
4 96% Southeast_English + 4% Moroccan @ 1.96
5 89.7% Southeast_English + 10.3% Portuguese @ 1.97
6 82% Southeast_English + 18% French @ 2.01
7 90.4% Southeast_English + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.02
8 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.03
9 93.5% Southeast_English + 6.5% Tuscan @ 2.04
10 92.3% Southeast_English + 7.7% North_Italian @ 2.05

Distance to: SthHolland2
3.34664011 French_Brittany
3.64295210 English_Southeast
3.83294926 English_Midlands
4.01772324 English_Southwest
4.06318840 Dutch_South
4.64190694 English_North
4.80655802 Dutch
4.88651205 Belgian
5.24692291 Dutch_Central
5.26359193 Welsh
6.16129045 Scottish
6.16910853 French_North
6.62235608 German_Northwest
6.82527655 Dutch_North
7.50181978 Irish
8.53257874 German_Southwest
8.68352463 Icelandic
9.20618271 Danish
9.37681716 German
9.64804643 Norwegian

Target: SthHolland2
Distance: 2.1640% / 2.16401652 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.2 Dutch_North
22.8 Spanish_Central_&_South

Distance to: SthHolland2
3.12755496 English_East
3.34664011 French_Brittany
3.89938457 English_East-Midlands
3.93270899 English_Southeast
3.95609656 English_West-Midlands
4.04144776 Cornish
4.10067068 Dutch_North-Brabant
4.28175198 English_West-Country
4.54975824 English_Lancashire
4.58221562 Dutch_Gelderland
4.58598953 Flemish
4.70097862 Dutch_South-Holland
4.70900202 French_Normandy
4.82039417 English_Northeast
5.11914055 English_Yorkshire
5.23828216 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.72807123 Scottish_Orkney
5.87561912 Scottish_East
5.95099992 Scottish_North-Highlands
5.99437236 Welsh_South

Target: SthHolland2
Distance: 1.8253% / 1.82525119 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
79.3 Scottish_Orkney
20.7 Swiss_Italian

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Kit CJ2859730

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.09
2 Baltic 26.79
3 West_Med 10.26
4 West_Asian 5.64
5 East_Med 3.59
6 Red_Sea 1.3
7 Sub-Saharan 1.25
8 Oceanian 1
9 South_Asian 0.83
10 Amerindian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.16
2 Danish 2.37
3 North_German 2.83
4 Norwegian 3.64
5 Orcadian 4.32
6 Swedish 4.68
7 Irish 4.94
8 Southeast_English 5.38
9 West_Scottish 5.58
10 Southwest_English 6.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% Mandenka @ 1.43
2 98.7% North_Dutch + 1.3% Yoruban @ 1.43
3 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 1.45
4 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 1.45
5 98.5% North_Dutch + 1.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.48
6 98.5% North_Dutch + 1.5% Luhya @ 1.5
7 98.5% North_Dutch + 1.5% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.51
8 98.5% North_Dutch + 1.5% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.57
9 98.5% North_Dutch + 1.5% San @ 1.63
10 64.3% North_Dutch + 35.7% North_German @ 1.77

Distance to: SthHolland3
2.24122734 Dutch_North
2.56392278 German_Northwest
2.69037172 Dutch_Central
2.99324239 Dutch
3.35703738 Danish
3.53181257 Icelandic
3.75283893 Norwegian_Southcentral
3.86189073 Swedish_Götaland
3.87859511 Norwegian
4.60688615 English_North
4.92546445 English_Midlands
4.94105252 Swedish_West-Svealand
5.12358273 Swedish
5.16939068 English_Southeast
5.33715280 Scottish
5.67740258 Welsh
5.84971794 English_Southwest
6.38664231 Irish
6.98817573 Dutch_South
8.47724012 German

Target: SthHolland3
Distance: 1.8295% / 1.82952435 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
91.9 Dutch_North
8.1 Austrian_Burgenland

Distance to: SthHolland3
1.97187728 Dutch_Friesland
2.43942616 German_Westphalia
2.56392278 German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.68294614 German_Schleswig-Holstein
2.71372438 Dutch_North-Holland
2.74344674 Dutch_Overijssel
2.82503097 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.35703738 Danish
3.44534469 Dutch_Gelderland
3.53181257 Icelandic
3.75283893 Norwegian_Southcentral
3.86189073 Swedish_Götaland
3.86727294 Scottish_Shetland
4.13106524 English_Northeast
4.18497312 German_Hamburg
4.52474309 Dutch_South-Holland
4.68961619 Scottish_Orkney
4.77356261 English_Yorkshire
4.85829188 English_Lancashire
4.89686634 English_East-Midlands

Target: SthHolland3
Distance: 1.4461% / 1.44611550 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.6 Dutch_North-Holland
22.4 German_Mecklenburg_West

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Kit CP2734447

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.64
2 Baltic 25.47
3 West_Med 14.13
4 East_Med 7.5
5 West_Asian 4.04
6 Amerindian 0.47
7 Red_Sea 0.47
8 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.96
2 South_Dutch 4.8
3 West_German 5.56
4 North_Dutch 5.59
5 North_German 5.63
6 Danish 5.72
7 Orcadian 5.82
8 Southwest_English 6.51
9 Irish 7.23
10 West_Scottish 7.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.2% Southeast_English + 18.8% Hungarian @ 1.97
2 74.9% Southeast_English + 25.1% Austrian @ 2.03
3 85.8% Southeast_English + 14.2% Croatian @ 2.09
4 85.7% Southeast_English + 14.3% Serbian @ 2.17
5 76.7% Southeast_English + 23.3% East_German @ 2.22
6 87.2% Southeast_English + 12.8% Moldavian @ 2.27
7 86.9% Southeast_English + 13.1% South_Polish @ 2.37
8 88.3% Southeast_English + 11.7% Ukrainian @ 2.4
9 88.1% Southeast_English + 11.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.44
10 89.9% Southeast_English + 10.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.46

Distance to: SthHolland4
3.81594025 Dutch_South
4.42280454 English_Southeast
4.52584799 Dutch
4.57733547 English_Midlands
4.78695101 Belgian
5.03832313 Dutch_Central
5.28669084 French_Brittany
5.51089829 English_Southwest
5.54009025 English_North
5.72439516 German_Northwest
6.38984350 Dutch_North
6.60396093 Welsh
6.68655367 German
6.77766922 French_North
7.30227362 Scottish
8.03156274 German_Southwest
8.11780143 Danish
8.41235401 Icelandic
8.64071756 Swedish_Götaland
8.70073560 French_Alsace

Target: SthHolland4
Distance: 2.5488% / 2.54878562 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.1 Danish
25.9 Italian_North_Alpine

Distance to: SthHolland4
3.65158870 Dutch_South-Holland
3.82291773 English_East
4.23431222 Flemish
4.35173529 Dutch_Gelderland
4.36400046 English_East-Midlands
4.39149177 Dutch_North-Brabant
4.66275670 English_Southeast
4.89567156 English_West-Midlands
5.16922625 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.25544480 English_Northeast
5.28669084 French_Brittany
5.34288312 Dutch_Limburg
5.42918042 French_Normandy
5.64567091 English_Lancashire
5.72439516 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.75897560 German_Schleswig-Holstein
5.82485193 English_West-Country
5.85807135 Cornish
5.90603082 German_Westphalia
6.13746690 German_North_Hesse

Target: SthHolland4
Distance: 1.4615% / 1.46146357 | R2P
79.0 German_Schleswig-Holstein
21.0 Swiss_Italian

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Kit T790795

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.81
2 Baltic 23.61
3 West_Med 14.01
4 West_Asian 4.96
5 East_Med 3.42
6 Red_Sea 2.63
7 Amerindian 1.09
8 Siberian 0.84
9 Northeast_African 0.32
10 East_Asian 0.24
11 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.56
2 Orcadian 3.66
3 Southwest_English 4.02
4 Irish 4.48
5 North_Dutch 4.53
6 West_Scottish 4.83
7 Danish 5.28
8 South_Dutch 5.72
9 North_German 5.8
10 Norwegian 6.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.87
2 76.9% Norwegian + 23.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.9
3 74.9% Norwegian + 25.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.91
4 75.1% Norwegian + 24.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.95
5 77.3% Norwegian + 22.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.04
6 75.5% Norwegian + 24.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.04
7 94.3% Orcadian + 5.7% Moroccan @ 2.04
8 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.07
9 83% North_Dutch + 17% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11
10 82.8% North_Dutch + 17.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.12

Distance to: SthHolland5
2.70706483 English_Midlands
2.74623378 English_Southeast
2.88890983 English_Southwest
3.00769014 English_North
3.15646955 Dutch
3.49646965 Welsh
3.52571978 Dutch_Central
4.10745663 Dutch_South
4.28940555 Scottish
4.60459553 French_Brittany
4.84253033 German_Northwest
5.05374119 Dutch_North
5.46604061 Irish
6.12546325 Belgian
6.20866330 Icelandic
7.16852147 Danish
7.46460314 Norwegian
7.74366838 Norwegian_Southcentral
7.76493400 Swedish_Götaland
7.88932190 French_North

Target: SthHolland5
Distance: 1.9026% / 1.90263278 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
79.1 Icelandic
20.9 Portuguese

Distance to: SthHolland5
2.48050398 English_East-Midlands
2.75635629 English_Northeast
2.76645983 English_Southeast
2.77382408 English_East
2.89148751 English_West-Country
2.91979451 English_West-Midlands
2.94703241 Dutch_North-Brabant
3.13863027 English_Lancashire
3.29525416 Dutch_South-Holland
3.30030302 Cornish
3.39395050 English_Yorkshire
3.66008197 Dutch_Gelderland
3.82232913 Welsh_South
3.98595033 Scottish_Northeast
3.99858725 Scottish_North-Highlands
4.04471260 Scottish_Orkney
4.07796518 Scottish_East
4.36574163 Dutch_North-Holland
4.37126984 British_Ulster
4.45317864 Welsh_North

Target: SthHolland5
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224827 | R2P
78.5 Icelandic
21.5 Spanish_Galicia

J. Ketch

03-21-2022, 07:47 PM

Gelderland

Kit EP9093028

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.45
2 Baltic 23.95
3 West_Med 12.32
4 West_Asian 3.61
5 East_Med 3.29
6 Red_Sea 2.16
7 South_Asian 1.88
8 Northeast_African 0.81
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.83
2 West_Scottish 3.2
3 Southeast_English 3.38
4 Irish 3.42
5 Southwest_English 3.66
6 North_Dutch 3.79
7 Danish 4.1
8 Norwegian 5.72
9 North_German 6.15
10 Swedish 8.03
11 South_Dutch 8.13
12 West_German 9.45
13 French 13.15
14 North_Swedish 13.92
15 Austrian 14.61
16 East_German 14.86
17 Hungarian 19.23
18 Spanish_Cataluna 20.18
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.09
20 Southwest_French 21.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.4% Southwest_English + 45.6% Danish @ 2.29
2 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.42
3 51.5% Southwest_English + 48.5% North_Dutch @ 2.47
4 98.2% Orcadian + 1.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.47
5 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.47
6 98.2% Orcadian + 1.8% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.48
7 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Saudi @ 2.48
8 96.3% West_Scottish + 3.7% Moroccan @ 2.5
9 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.5
10 96.2% West_Scottish + 3.8% Algerian @ 2.5

Distance to: Gelderland1
3.05830018 English_North
3.13756275 Dutch_Central
3.48793635 Dutch
3.58572168 Scottish
3.71616738 Welsh
3.72475503 English_Southwest
3.82828944 English_Midlands
3.84136694 Dutch_North
4.20452138 English_Southeast
4.43021444 Irish
5.10913887 German_Northwest
5.12810881 Icelandic
5.94889065 Danish
6.37455881 Norwegian_Southcentral
6.38010188 Norwegian
6.54609807 Swedish_Götaland
6.61849681 French_Brittany
6.86562452 Dutch_South
7.91305251 Swedish_West-Svealand
8.27414648 Swedish

Target: Gelderland1
Distance: 2.5250% / 2.52495917 | R2P
91.1 Dutch_North
8.9 Basque_France

Distance to: Gelderland1
2.69325082 English_Lancashire
2.82989399 English_Yorkshire
2.99464522 Dutch_North-Holland
3.01142823 Scottish_Orkney
3.22107125 Dutch_Overijssel
3.37444810 English_Northeast
3.40338067 Scottish_Northeast
3.63763660 Scottish_East
3.65261550 English_West-Midlands
3.68948506 Scottish_Southwest
3.71049862 Welsh_North
3.74678529 Cornish
3.75522303 Scottish_North-Highlands
3.83336667 English_West-Country
3.89378993 Dutch_Gelderland
3.98645206 Irish_Leinster
4.05088879 English_Southeast
4.09762126 English_East-Midlands
4.24143844 British_Ulster
4.27002342 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd

Leto

03-31-2022, 03:31 PM

From Paderborn, Eastern NRW

North_Atlantic 45.44 Pct
Baltic 27.05 Pct
West_Med 14.91 Pct
West_Asian 3.54 Pct
East_Med 3.36 Pct
Red_Sea 1.8 Pct
South_Asian 1.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Amerindian 0.47 Pct
Oceanian 0.55 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dutch (suspiciously Eastern)

North_Atlantic 45.84 Pct
Baltic 31.1 Pct
West_Med 9.83 Pct
West_Asian 5.29 Pct
East_Med 1.66 Pct
Red_Sea 1.24 Pct
South_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Siberian 1.83 Pct
Amerindian 0.94 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Someone from Western Germany

North_Atlantic 47.1 Pct
Baltic 20.15 Pct
West_Med 16.5 Pct
West_Asian 8.94 Pct
East_Med 4.69 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Amerindian 0.17 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.99 Pct

A full Volga German

North_Atlantic 44.76 Pct
Baltic 22.3 Pct
West_Med 15.76 Pct
West_Asian 8.23 Pct
East_Med 5.22 Pct
Red_Sea 1.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.54 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Amerindian 0.13 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1 Pct

Another full Volga German

North_Atlantic 39.17 Pct
Baltic 22.74 Pct
West_Med 16.87 Pct
West_Asian 7.39 Pct
East_Med 8.54 Pct
Red_Sea 2.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.4 Pct
Oceanian 0.26 Pct
Northeast_African 1.06 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.83 Pct

A woman from Berlin

North_Atlantic 36.22 Pct
Baltic 36.09 Pct
West_Med 12.8 Pct
West_Asian 7.22 Pct
East_Med 5.55 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.08 Pct
Oceanian 1.38 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.15 Pct

Her mother (strikingly similar results)

North_Atlantic 36.73 Pct
Baltic 36.16 Pct
West_Med 10.92 Pct
West_Asian 5.04 Pct
East_Med 7.77 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_Asian 0.11 Pct
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.86 Pct
Northeast_African 0.65 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Someone on their account

North_Atlantic 40.63 Pct
Baltic 32.97 Pct
West_Med 9.45 Pct
West_Asian 3.84 Pct
East_Med 9.11 Pct
Red_Sea 0.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.5 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.85 Pct
Amerindian 1.02 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

From Hamburg

North_Atlantic 39.9 Pct
Baltic 35.65 Pct
West_Med 7.75 Pct
West_Asian 8.08 Pct
East_Med 3.52 Pct
Red_Sea 1.05 Pct
South_Asian 1.65 Pct
East_Asian 0.1 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.61 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.5 Pct

J. Ketch

03-31-2022, 11:25 PM

Schleswig-Holstein

Kit SD9240548

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.87
2 Baltic 29.88
3 West_Med 12.47
4 West_Asian 3.59
5 East_Med 2.68
6 Sub-Saharan 0.95
7 Amerindian 0.55
8 Siberian 0.45
9 Red_Sea 0.32
10 Oceanian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 3.77
2 Norwegian 3.95
3 North_Dutch 4.31
4 Danish 4.54
5 North_German 4.99

Distance to: SH4
3.22656164 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.58308526 Swedish_West-Svealand
3.66050543 Swedish_Götaland
3.68808894 Danish
4.06505843 Norwegian_Southcentral
4.38653622 German_Lower_Saxony_North
4.90303987 Dutch_Friesland
5.16339036 Dutch_Overijssel
5.22789633 German_Hamburg
5.53053343 Icelandic
5.59506926 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.59935711 Dutch_South-Holland
5.61098031 German_Westphalia
5.90520956 Scottish_Shetland
5.96716013 Dutch_North-Holland
6.24418129 English_Northeast
6.30041268 Scottish_Orkney
6.37194437 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.44557988 Swedish_East-Svealand
6.48030092 Dutch_Gelderland

Target: SH4
Distance: 1.6712% / 1.67121852 | R2P
91.4 German_Schleswig-Holstein
8.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland

Overijssel

Kit DS1479890

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.12
2 Baltic 22.95
3 West_Med 10.68
4 West_Asian 5.44
5 East_Med 4.39
6 Red_Sea 2
7 Oceanian 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 3.4
2 Irish 3.9
3 Orcadian 4.04
4 North_Dutch 4.33
5 Southeast_English 4.47

Distance to: Overijssel2
4.05156760 Scottish
4.37563710 English_North
4.51575021 Irish
4.67032119 Dutch_Central
4.73042281 Welsh
5.01546608 Dutch_North
5.13807357 Dutch
5.19043351 English_Southwest
5.26009506 English_Midlands
5.47298821 English_Southeast
5.59107324 Icelandic
6.03874987 German_Northwest
6.96091230 Norwegian
7.03422348 Danish
7.28873103 Norwegian_Southcentral
7.65418840 Swedish_Götaland
8.43208752 French_Brittany
8.63296009 Dutch_South
9.24391692 Swedish_West-Svealand
9.92556799 Belgian

Target: Overijssel2
Distance: 3.8226% / 3.82263705 | R2P
52.7 Irish
47.3 Dutch_Central

Roy

04-01-2022, 03:41 PM

Leto

04-01-2022, 06:27 PM

Leto

04-05-2022, 05:25 PM

Sebbo

04-06-2022, 05:16 PM

Has anyone seen that the Vahaduo website now no longer has ANY reference samples? I checked the site today and saw this message:

"Hello Vahaduo lovers! Do you like Gedmatch and G25 calculators? Add your sheet and enjoy the power of admixture, components and ethnic estimation. We don't want to restrict you giving predefined calculators. It's boring! Be creative and look for them on Internet or create your unique set of references. No more automated click&play results. Go beyound your laziness and discover the biggest genetic adventure in your life. Be smart! Be curious! Be the Vahaduo!

Below is the frame with original Vahaduo website included. Remember it's the only legit version, so don't complain as there is no other."

What is going on there!?

J. Ketch

04-06-2022, 10:14 PM

Leto

04-06-2022, 10:35 PM

It's been closed and redirected to the original Vahaduo site without references, and now the original vahaduo will embed the shitty G25 modern averages that are never updated :rolleyes: Ignorance prevails once again for the sake of gatekeeping, just as on Anthrogenica.
I think certain people were really bent on fucking with L. Macuga. They just couldn't let go of him until his work was canceled. Pathetic sons of bitches.

Roy

04-08-2022, 05:19 PM

Roy

04-08-2022, 05:24 PM

Some kind of Western German, note the high East Med (not a low SNP kit)

North_Atlantic 42.17 Pct
Baltic 25.93 Pct
West_Med 15.11 Pct
West_Asian 4.39 Pct
East_Med 11.83 Pct
Red_Sea 0.1 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.16 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Must be a remnant of those Roman soldiers. :coffee:

Jokes aside the higher amount of this component seem to overlap with lands where Roman army / colonists have been I think.

Leto

04-08-2022, 05:37 PM

Must be a remnant of those Roman soldiers. :coffee:

Jokes aside the higher amount of this component seem to overlap with lands where Roman army / colonists have been I think.
Well, Austrians for example have legit southerly ancestry

Austrian, half of his family are from Upper Austria, half from Salzburg

North_Atlantic 39.12 Pct
Baltic 26.74 Pct
West_Med 11.84 Pct
West_Asian 5.9 Pct
East_Med 9.63 Pct
Red_Sea 2.9 Pct
South_Asian 1.74 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian 0.61 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Mother

North_Atlantic 38.13 Pct
Baltic 26.04 Pct
West_Med 12.89 Pct
West_Asian 9.46 Pct
East_Med 6.96 Pct
Red_Sea 2.88 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.26 Pct
Amerindian 0.46 Pct
Oceanian 1.13 Pct
Northeast_African 0.74 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.05 Pct

Wife (?), unspecified Austrian

North_Atlantic 37.75 Pct
Baltic 27.44 Pct
West_Med 17.17 Pct
West_Asian 4.8 Pct
East_Med 9.02 Pct
Red_Sea 0.54 Pct
South_Asian 1.21 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.23 Pct
Amerindian 1.14 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct

J. Ketch

04-09-2022, 02:30 AM

User decordoba, an Austrian born in Upper Austria

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.16
2 Baltic 20.77
3 West_Med 18.64
4 East_Med 10.94
5 West_Asian 6.1
6 Oceanian 0.65
7 South_Asian 0.61
8 Northeast_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.27
2 West_German 4.61
3 South_Dutch 5.08
4 Southeast_English 10.13
5 Austrian 10.29
6 Spanish_Cataluna 10.69
7 Southwest_English 11.64
8 North_German 12.03
9 Portuguese 12.09
10 East_German 12.25
11 Spanish_Galicia 12.3
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.33
13 Orcadian 12.57
14 North_Dutch 12.99
15 Danish 13.02
16 Spanish_Valencia 13.32
17 Southwest_French 13.43
18 Spanish_Cantabria 13.45
19 Irish 13.59
20 Spanish_Murcia 13.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.5% West_German + 9.5% Sardinian @ 1.87
2 76% West_German + 24% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.02
3 50.6% Norwegian + 49.4% North_Italian @ 2.11
4 54.9% North_Dutch + 45.1% North_Italian @ 2.11
5 54.8% Danish + 45.2% North_Italian @ 2.14
6 72% West_German + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.15
7 79.1% West_German + 20.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.27
8 61.2% Southeast_English + 38.8% North_Italian @ 2.36
9 77.6% South_Dutch + 22.4% North_Italian @ 2.37
10 80% West_German + 20% North_Italian @ 2.48
11 78.3% West_German + 21.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.49
12 55.8% Orcadian + 44.2% North_Italian @ 2.52
13 77.5% West_German + 22.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.55
14 75.5% West_German + 24.5% Portuguese @ 2.55
15 77.7% West_German + 22.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.55
16 77.5% West_German + 22.5% Southwest_French @ 2.57
17 80.4% West_German + 19.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.61
18 76% West_German + 24% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.61
19 78.3% West_German + 21.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.62
20 68% Southeast_English + 32% Tuscan @ 2.68

Distance to: decordoba(Austrian)
2.85650136 German_Saarland
2.88655504 Swiss_German_North
3.23935179 German_South_Hesse
3.32585327 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
3.54223094 Swiss_German
3.58712977 French_Northeast
3.79760451 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.82881183 French_Alsace
4.00241177 French_Central
4.10466807 French_Hauts_de_France
4.41654843 Walloon
4.49731031 German_North_Rhine
5.10416497 Swiss_French
5.24388215 German_North_Hesse
5.33402287 German_Bavaria_Proper
5.36419612 Dutch_Limburg
5.75385088 French_Normandy
6.16425989 Austrian_Tyrol
6.44710012 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
7.00480549 Flemish
7.23831472 Italian_Aosta_Valley
7.50428378 Austrian_Lower_Austria
7.57726864 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
7.61663311 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
7.83561740 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz

Target: decordoba(Austrian)
Distance: 128.7541% / 1.28754113 | R3P
43.6 Cornish
31.8 Italian_Lombardy
24.6 German_West_Bohemia

Ajeje Brazorf

04-21-2022, 02:13 PM

I don't know if I had already posted this, it's the Global25 coordinates of some German-speaking communities in northeastern Italy.

1 = Lessinia
2 = Sappada (Ploden)
3 = Sauris (Zahre)
4 = Timau (Tischelbong)

https://i.imgur.com/hyP1Znx.png

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/dKIhUEk.png

Individuals

Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372307,0.12862,0.14115 9,0.04186,0.013566,0.032929,0.008646,0.00188,0.005 769,-0.002454,0.013668,-0.008931,0.007044,-0.022448,0.004404,0.009093,-0.011668,-0.019166,-0.002154,0.013198,-0.001501,0.001622,0.00643,-0.002218,0.006266,0.002874
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372308,0.12862,0.14522 1,0.052043,0.017442,0.0437,0.016455,0.00517,0.006, 0.008795,0.01549,-0.01088,-0.00015,-0.001487,0.000688,0.000407,0.012198,0.011735,0.003 421,0.006034,-0.007003,-0.003619,-0.001978,0.009737,0.00964,-0.004191
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372311,0.122929,0.1462 36,0.033941,0.015504,0.037545,0.002231,0.01081,0.0 03461,0.003272,0.012392,-0.009094,0.001349,-0.010258,-0.010046,0.001086,0.013922,0.026338,0.003927,0.010 81,-0.004252,-0.009608,0.006059,0.004067,-0.001205,-0.003832
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372314,0.127482,0.1482 67,0.046009,0.013566,0.037238,0.004462,0.016216,0. 001846,0.003477,0.023691,-0.010718,0.005545,-0.002527,0.006468,0.005429,0.00053,-0.002868,0.008995,0.005531,-0.000125,-0.006863,-0.00779,0.017131,0.012773,0.000359
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372316,0.130897,0.1431 9,0.039598,-0.000969,0.033852,0.003904,0.00987,0.008307,0.0032 72,0.014943,0.000487,-0.004496,-0.010258,-0.000413,-0.004479,0.001856,0.007432,-0.00152,0.000628,-0.010255,0.006239,0,-0.014173,0.007109,-0.002874
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372318,0.134311,0.1462 36,0.045632,0.014858,0.034776,0.008088,-0.003055,0.000923,0.005318,0.016583,-0.001786,0.002698,-0.007433,0.004129,-0.000271,0.010475,0.017732,0.000507,0.010307,0.001 876,0.004991,0.002473,0.005793,0.003253,0.009101
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372321,0.130897,0.1370 96,0.043746,0.016796,0.035391,0.00502,0.0094,0.008 538,0.011044,0.019499,-0.001461,0.002847,-0.007879,-0.00867,0.009093,0.002784,-0.000652,0.001267,0.006788,0.002251,-0.013227,0.001237,-0.003451,0.008314,0.000239
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372324,0.122929,0.1462 36,0.034695,-0.00323,0.038161,0.003904,0.00047,-0.001846,0.00859,0.025695,-0.006171,0.013038,-0.001784,-0.00234,-0.008143,0.001591,-0.006258,0.003927,0.011941,-0.001876,-0.000499,0.00272,0.001972,0.008435,-0.006466
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372327,0.130897,0.1411 59,0.038089,0.01615,0.037238,-0.002789,-0.003525,0.009,0.005522,0.019135,-0.008931,-0.004346,-0.002527,-0.01156,0.004343,0.012198,0.00326,0.005194,0.00993 ,0.000125,-0.00287,0,0.003697,0.015303,0.006466
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372330,0.125205,0.1442 05,0.029038,-0.005168,0.03416,0.003068,-0.00094,-0.003461,0,0.01713,-0.00406,0.01109,-0.009514,0.009221,-0.001086,-0.008486,-0.004694,0.010008,0.004902,-0.007754,0.006239,0.011747,-0.008134,0.001687,-0.008023
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372332,0.134311,0.1381 12,0.047517,0.015504,0.033237,0.004183,0.003995,-0.002308,0.001227,0.015308,-0.007795,0.005545,-0.015461,-0.011285,0.010722,0.006895,-0.004563,0.000633,0.007542,-0.001376,0.006988,0.003586,0.002711,0.004458,-0.000239
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372334,0.122929,0.1442 05,0.037335,0.005814,0.033852,0.007251,0.00047,0.0 07154,-0.002045,0.011845,-0.00406,0.004346,-0.007136,-0.001101,-0.005293,0.000928,0.006519,-0.005574,-0.006662,-5e-04,-0.01148,0.001855,0.001725,0.011929,0.001916
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372336,0.130897,0.1381 12,0.038843,0.006783,0.03139,-0.001116,0.00376,0.011769,0.010022,0.01877,-0.015265,0.00045,-0.005649,-0.009358,0.007329,-0.010872,-0.003129,0.009122,0.014832,-0.014382,-0.001747,-0.008037,0.004683,-0.000964,0.001796
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372339,0.127482,0.1391 28,0.034318,0.002907,0.032314,0.007251,0.00282,-0.009923,0.020861,0.017677,-0.008119,0.020382,-0.019029,0.005092,0.009772,-0.000133,-0.005215,0.004561,0.011941,-0.006628,0.006489,0.013725,-0.002095,0.013978,0.002874
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372340,0.12862,0.13811 2,0.032432,0.018088,0.03139,0.01255,0.002585,-0.003461,0.002659,0.011845,-0.006496,0.010341,-0.016353,0.001239,-0.002986,0.007955,0.0236,0.003927,0.001131,0.00287 6,-0.001497,0.004822,0.000739,0.01205,-0.002994
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Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372352,0.130897,0.1310 03,0.029038,0.014858,0.030159,0.003626,0.00094,0.0 12461,0.008385,0.008565,-0.004709,0.014387,-0.011298,-0.003991,0.0019,0.011138,0.004563,-0.001394,0.004022,-0.002626,-0.012478,0.005935,0.006039,0.01928,0.002515
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Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14372371,0.134311,0.1472 52,0.036958,0.008721,0.040623,0.005578,-0.001645,0.006231,0.011044,0.011299,-0.007307,0.01169,-0.008771,-0.002752,0.007057,0.020154,0.014473,0.006208,0.004 525,0.006128,0.006613,0.004575,0.001849,0.002289,0 .001557
Italian_Friuli_Sappada:GRC14386282,0.12862,0.14420 5,0.046386,0.008398,0.033852,0.00251,0.009165,0.00 5538,0.012885,0.024784,-0.001137,0.005845,-0.003568,-0.004954,-0.000679,0.007292,0.015776,0.001774,0.01081,-0.002001,0.001622,0.005317,0.000863,0.015544,0.001 317
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Italian_Friuli_Sauris:GRC14415973,0.126344,0.14319 ,0.032432,0.000323,0.027697,0.010319,-0.000705,0.006,0.005113,0.014761,-0.008607,0.01094,-0.006541,0.002615,0.003664,-0.019225,-0.022817,0.003801,0.000126,-0.003627,0.000873,0.01051,-0.002711,0.009399,0.000958
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Italian_Friuli_Sauris:GRC14415975,0.129758,0.14217 4,0.04714,-0.002261,0.046162,-0.003904,0.015276,0.005769,0.012885,0.019135,-0.001299,0.002847,-0.010704,0.010735,-0.005157,-0.015115,-0.01356,0.003547,0.005782,0.000375,-0.005241,-0.002349,-0.005423,-0.00241,-0.005508
Italian_Friuli_Sauris:GRC14415976,0.133173,0.14014 3,0.04714,0.002907,0.030775,-0.000279,0.007285,0.00923,0.004295,0.019681,-0.00406,0.012289,-0.008325,0.002615,-0.0038,0.007955,0.01356,-0.0019,0.010307,0.005503,-0.008485,0.011871,0.000493,0.009037,-0.00946
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Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386296,0.134311,0.148267 ,0.044877,0.005814,0.037238,0.009761,0.005875,0.01 1538,0.003068,0.009476,-0.001461,0.003447,-0.010704,0.002477,-0.001086,-0.018563,-0.005737,0.003041,0.008045,-0.00963,-0.023708,0.006554,0.01405,0.007471,-0.011017
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Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386298,0.124067,0.139128 ,0.036958,0.012597,0.02739,-0.008367,0.010575,0.002308,0.001432,0.023873,-0.004222,0.003297,-0.012487,0.004129,-0.004207,-0.010607,-0.017993,0.003167,0.002765,-0.003752,-0.014474,-0.001607,-0.008381,0.011929,0.00012
Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386299,0.126344,0.137096 ,0.040352,0.000969,0.03139,0.001673,0.022326,0.009 923,-0.000614,0.004191,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.008771,-0.009221,0.001357,0.002254,0.006258,0.005068,-0.005531,-0.003627,-0.004118,0.004204,0.003944,0.003133,0.006826
Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386300,0.126344,0.145221 ,0.044877,0.00323,0.038161,0.00753,0.011751,0.0156 92,0.00634,0.007107,-0.005034,0.004196,-0.003717,-0.002064,-0.007872,-0.008221,0.007953,0.002787,0.007165,-0.003126,-0.017968,0.004328,0.006655,0.002169,-0.007784
Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386301,0.120652,0.144205 ,0.037335,0.003553,0.028621,0.001952,0.003055,0.01 1999,-0.007772,0.007107,-0.003897,0.007194,-0.014123,0.011285,-0.005157,-0.009281,-0.016037,0.001267,0.00088,-0.011255,-0.009608,0.002226,-0.001849,0.004217,0.002395
Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386302,0.129758,0.148267 ,0.038089,0.016473,0.036314,-0.007251,0.000235,0.004154,0.007158,0.027153,-0.000162,0.001349,-0.012487,0.00289,-0.00855,-0.01538,-0.013821,0,0.003394,-0.005127,-0.003244,0.000989,0.010969,0.001205,0.00012
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Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386308,0.121791,0.139128 ,0.034695,0.012274,0.033852,0.010877,0.013396,0.00 3461,0.007158,0.00893,-0.012504,0.005395,-0.014123,0.004404,-0.010315,0.003315,0.003912,-0.009628,-0.002263,-0.000625,-0.001248,-0.005935,0.002095,-0.001205,0.003353
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Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386312,0.126344,0.140143 ,0.047894,0.010659,0.035083,-0.00753,-0.00094,-0.009692,0.011658,0.023144,0.00065,-0.006444,0.000743,-0.001101,-0.001221,-0.002121,0.001434,0.000633,0.005028,-0.007128,0.003494,0.006306,0.002218,-0.005784,-0.006466
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Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386317,0.119514,0.146236 ,0.041106,0.018088,0.035083,0.007251,0.00235,0.003 923,0.0045,0.012757,-0.012991,0.002248,-0.007136,0.004954,-0.003257,-0.004906,-0.014473,-0.00152,0.000503,-0.005378,0.000998,-0.000495,0.001356,-0.011929,0.002036
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Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386324,0.132035,0.14319, 0.040352,0.008398,0.030467,0.006136,-0.001175,0.005307,0.007363,0.017677,-0.004709,0.007643,-0.012042,0.00055,0.001493,-0.012198,-0.011865,0.001267,0.013827,-0.016383,-0.01123,0.005441,0.010723,0.013255,-0.013053
Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386325,0.121791,0.135065 ,0.034695,-0.001615,0.030467,0.004741,0.00846,0.008769,0.0087 95,0.015308,0.00341,0.01169,0.001635,0.009496,-0.000814,-0.016706,-0.011995,0.0019,0.007416,-0.011005,-0.002121,0.005441,0.002958,0.002892,-0.001078
Italian_Friuli_Timau:GRC14386327,0.120652,0.149283 ,0.033941,0.008398,0.024004,0,0.011516,0.008307,0. 013703,0.010752,-0.013316,0.005245,-0.009217,-0.009358,0.002986,0.000265,-0.001565,-0.002407,0.002011,-0.002751,-0.001996,-0.004081,0.00456,-0.000843,0.000958
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372306,0.134 311,0.149283,0.038466,0.00323,0.028928,0.006693,-0.00893,-0.003692,0.001636,0.024055,-0.002598,-0.002548,-0.002676,-0.015276,0.00095,0.007027,0.017732,0.00152,0.00025 1,0.004752,-0.001747,0.01014,0.003081,0.001205,0.006227
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372310,0.118 376,0.146236,0.043369,0.005168,0.03139,0.007251,-0.002115,0.002308,-0.001841,0.02606,0.001299,0.00045,-0.010406,-0.003578,-0.004343,0.005171,-0.003129,-0.014316,0.001508,0.002376,0.004243,0.002968,0.002 342,-0.001325,-0.005868
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372313,0.119 514,0.140143,0.033564,-0.002907,0.031698,-0.003347,-0.000705,0.003923,0.000614,0.018588,-0.007307,0.007943,-0.006541,-0.011836,-0.005429,-0.000133,0.000391,0.006334,0.006411,-0.011255,0.009483,-0.000618,0.00493,0.001084,-0.000479
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372315,0.127 482,0.144205,0.043746,0.010013,0.040931,-0.00502,0.005875,0.01523,0.020452,0.025878,0,0.000 15,-0.015907,-0.001927,0.011265,-0.001326,-0.004824,-0.004814,-0.001885,0.005253,0.001373,0.007666,0,0.000241,0.0 0491
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372317,0.127 482,0.139128,0.036958,0.004199,0.040007,-0.00502,0.00517,0.002308,0.008181,0.016401,-0.012829,0.005845,0.011001,0.011698,-0.003122,-0.012198,-0.016298,-0.003547,0.002137,-0.007253,-0.00262,0.013725,0.000246,0.006386,0.005149
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372320,0.124 067,0.148267,0.037712,-0.003553,0.037545,0.001116,0.001175,-0.001154,0.01084,0.024966,-0.007795,0.003147,-0.004608,-0.006606,0.0019,0.015911,0.024773,0.003927,-0.013952,-0.004252,0.001497,0.007048,0.008874,0.005181,-0.010777
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372323,0.126 344,0.147252,0.032055,0.001615,0.032314,-0.008925,0.00188,0.001846,0.011862,0.029522,-0.000325,0.006444,-0.009068,0.003578,0.008415,-0.01432,-0.014473,0,-0.004148,0.004377,-0.003993,-0.001855,0.007888,0.003735,-0.00491
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372326,0.126 344,0.146236,0.037335,0.007429,0.033545,-0.002231,-0.00846,0.004846,0.005318,0.012757,0.00341,-0.001649,-0.013677,-0.007569,0.009908,0.011668,0.002086,0.004814,0.003 268,0.003001,0.002745,0.009521,-0.005669,0.008314,-0.003473
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372329,0.129 758,0.138112,0.030547,-0.002907,0.034468,0.007809,-0.00188,0.001385,-0.002659,0.015855,-0.001624,0.002548,-0.00996,-0.001651,0.007193,-0.010872,-0.012126,-0.001267,0.004022,0.004752,0.004742,-0.006925,-0.001602,0.003133,0.012813
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372331,0.124 067,0.144205,0.041483,0.010336,0.025543,0.006972,-0.000705,0.001154,0.016566,0.016948,-0.00341,0.010641,-0.010555,-0.003165,0.008143,0.001326,-0.005737,0.007095,0.004525,-0.002501,0.009733,0.001978,-0.005916,0.000964,0.009221
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372333,0.129 758,0.136081,0.0445,0.011951,0.040315,0.005299,0.0 0752,-0.000231,0.005727,0.017677,-0.004222,0.006294,-0.011298,-0.007156,0.002714,0.004243,-0.005476,0.000887,0.006034,0.002876,0.000998,-0.003091,-0.00037,0.006748,0.005987
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372335,0.141 141,0.152329,0.041106,0.011305,0.045239,-0.000837,-0.002115,0.002077,0.001227,0.021322,-0.003573,0.005995,-0.01665,0.000413,0.001357,-0.013922,-0.017341,-0.003421,0.004902,-0.009379,-0.004742,0.006059,0.00493,0.008796,-0.004311
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372338,0.122 929,0.142174,0.049403,0.011628,0.033237,0.01004,0. 001645,0.004846,0.01718,0.026789,0.001461,0.005395 ,-0.006838,0.001376,0.003122,-0.005701,-0.008475,-0.00152,0.002891,-0.002501,-0.004617,-0.005935,-0.002588,-0.006145,0.002754
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372341,0.130 897,0.149283,0.029793,-0.003876,0.026159,-0.000279,-0.001645,-0.004615,0.022089,0.016766,0.000812,0.006594,-0.013528,-0.00289,0.003122,0.007027,0.017602,-0.002787,0.004525,0.007879,-0.009109,-0.000247,0.006039,0.00976,-0.008622
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372343,0.125 205,0.142174,0.038466,0.006137,0.040623,0.00251,-0.003995,0.003923,-0.002863,0.018224,-0.001137,0.009741,-0.013677,0.004542,-0.005836,-0.009679,-0.011474,-0.002407,0.002388,0.004752,-0.005116,-0.000618,-0.006779,-0.000241,0.000479
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372345,0.128 62,0.131003,0.030924,0.010013,0.033545,0.005299,0. 00047,-0.002538,0.011453,0.008018,-0.003085,0.001798,-0.005946,-0.011973,0.002307,0.014983,0.011213,0.00152,0.0149 58,-0.000625,0.003494,0.002226,-0.002342,0.009399,-0.000359
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372346,0.117 238,0.135065,0.038466,0.006137,0.029852,0.007809,0 .011516,0.007154,0.01084,0.014761,-0.010718,-0.00015,-0.008622,-0.000826,0.01045,0.012463,0.019688,-0.003674,-0.001131,-0.00025,-0.000998,-0.009769,0.00493,-0.00482,-0.000599
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372349,0.134 311,0.139128,0.042238,0.013243,0.040931,-0.001116,0.005875,0.005077,0.007772,0.018041,0.003 248,0.005095,0.005798,-0.001376,0.002307,-0.010475,-0.020992,0.000253,0.002137,-0.006253,0.012353,0.003339,0.001356,0.003494,0.008 981
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372350,0.120 652,0.15436,0.028284,-0.001292,0.029236,0.005299,0.00611,0.001846,0.0079 76,0.015672,0.00341,0.005395,-0.019475,-0.007294,0.004479,-0.010077,-0.011995,-0.004054,-0.001257,-0.005503,-0.002371,0.011252,-0.005916,0.008917,-0.013053
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372353,0.121 791,0.148267,0.04186,0.00969,0.038161,-0.011435,0.00282,0.009923,0.011044,0.018224,-0.008931,0.003747,-0.005798,-0.00055,0.004479,-0.008353,-0.017341,-0.002154,-0.002891,-0.008879,-0.000374,0.007419,0.005793,-0.001084,0.003473
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372354,0.128 62,0.157407,0.045632,0.007106,0.028005,0.001394,0. 008225,-0.002538,-0.00225,0.014397,-0.005034,0.002548,-0.002676,-0.006331,0.000814,0.003978,0.017471,-0.004561,-0.00088,0.003377,-0.001123,0.00371,-0.006779,0.019159,-0.002874
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372357,0.126 344,0.150298,0.036204,0.001938,0.039392,0.000279,0 .00094,-0.000231,0.014112,0.016766,-0.006496,-0.004496,-0.00892,0.004266,-0.008279,-0.013392,-0.01682,0.002027,0.011816,0.003752,0.006114,0.0018 55,-0.001356,0.006266,0.005389
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372362,0.132 035,0.140143,0.037335,0.002584,0.040007,-0.00251,-0.000235,0.007846,0.005727,0.026971,0.005196,-0.004646,-0.008622,-0.016652,0.000407,0.012861,0.013169,0,-0.003897,-0.005503,0.008235,0.001855,-0.004314,0.013255,0.001796
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372368,0.128 62,0.157407,0.042992,-0.010013,0.037238,-0.001673,-0.001645,0.009923,0.01268,0.028429,0.004547,0.0095 91,-0.01115,-0.003303,0.008686,-0.00358,-0.017602,0,0.005154,-0.008879,-0.010606,0.000989,-0.004807,0.003976,0.003473
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372370,0.120 652,0.153345,0.04714,0.001938,0.041546,-0.001673,-0.003055,0.006923,0.011658,0.014397,-0.008607,0.003297,-0.005798,0.004679,-0.000543,0.007558,0.00339,-0.0019,0.005656,-0.003377,-0.01123,-0.000371,-0.004683,0.004579,-0.005987
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386250,0.133 173,0.141159,0.040352,-0.004522,0.035083,0.001116,0.00423,0.003923,0.0087 95,0.014214,-0.006658,0.002698,-0.012042,0.004266,0.003664,-0.013922,-0.017602,0.005194,0.004274,-0.011506,-0.008984,0.008037,-0.000123,0.007471,-0.010298
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386251,0.118 376,0.149283,0.027153,-0.000323,0.041854,0.004183,0.002115,0.011076,0.011 044,0.019499,-0.010068,0.010341,-0.011744,-0.003578,0.002714,-0.016176,-0.015125,0.003041,-0.00264,-0.011506,-0.013601,0.002473,-0.001725,0.013857,0.001557
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386252,0.129 758,0.146236,0.039975,0.014858,0.037545,0.006136,-0.000235,0.006692,0.01268,0.018041,0.008282,0.0017 98,-0.0055,-0.00234,0.003257,-0.006762,-0.005215,0.002027,0.00729,-0.006378,-0.001622,0.002226,0.001725,-0.006868,0.000958
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386260,0.125 205,0.148267,0.042238,0.001938,0.046778,0.000837,0 .00611,0.003692,0.005113,0.014761,0.00406,0.009591 ,-0.010258,-0.014175,0.008007,0.007292,-0.00339,-0.002407,0.003268,-0.004877,-0.001747,-0.000618,-0.005669,-0.001928,-0.000599
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386271,0.122 929,0.146236,0.040352,0.004199,0.032929,-0.004462,-0.00141,-0.000923,0.003886,0.020593,0.001137,3e-04,-0.010704,0.003165,-0.001629,-0.005834,-0.013951,0.003167,-0.011061,0.006378,0.00287,-0.002473,0.000739,0.005181,-0.00467
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386293,0.125 205,0.145221,0.045632,0.004199,0.044316,-0.008367,0.004935,0.013384,0.020657,0.028611,-0.005359,0.009292,-0.013974,-0.000688,0.007736,0.01538,0.012778,-0.004307,0.009553,0.012131,0.001497,0.006677,0.001 602,0.008796,0.003353
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386304,0.128 62,0.148267,0.042992,0.002584,0.047701,0.001952,0. 00376,0.001385,0.011862,0.015308,-0.000812,-0.000599,-0.009812,0.001789,-0.010179,-0.009149,-0.017732,-0.00076,0.004902,-0.004502,-0.007487,0,-0.002835,0.005302,0.011017
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386315,0.122 929,0.14319,0.034318,0.002907,0.035391,0.015618,0. 00611,0.007615,0.009408,0.013485,0.005034,0.004946 ,-0.008771,0.000688,-0.00095,0.007558,0.005215,0.006461,-0.001131,0.002001,0.003369,0.00371,-0.004314,0.007471,0.000718
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386326,0.134 311,0.147252,0.040729,0.013566,0.026159,0.002231,0 .00799,-0.000231,0.009613,0.016037,0.008769,0.007793,-0.00773,-0.013212,0.008958,0.004508,0.00691,0.004561,0.0094 27,-0.004377,0.004492,0.000371,-0.011339,0.001687,0.003592
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386337,0.135 449,0.138112,0.031678,-0.005168,0.037545,-0.006136,0.001175,0.007846,0.014726,0.023691,-0.003573,0.009891,-0.01888,-0.00234,0.005565,-0.001856,0.004433,-0.002154,0.007542,-0.006003,-0.009358,0.003091,-0.007641,0.008073,-0.005029
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14386338,0.130 897,0.145221,0.038466,0.007429,0.044008,-0.001116,0.001645,0.003461,0.006749,0.021868,-0.008607,0.004646,-0.006838,0.001651,0.004207,0.002519,0.003781,0.001 9,0.002263,0.003001,0.00287,0.009274,0.000616,0.00 5904,0.000479

Averages

Italian_Friuli_Sappada,0.128138615,0.142017885,0.0 39931308,0.010969577,0.036835115,0.006382308,0.004 510269,0.004508692,0.005286077,0.015980615,-0.004890385,0.005775615,-0.009051269,-0.001984846,0.002463808,0.002784423,0.002527577,0. 001588462,0.007493538,-0.0015055,-0.002111654,0.002382692,0.002000423,0.007290077,0. 000534269
Italian_Friuli_Sauris,0.127895727,0.144389909,0.03 7849091,0.002995091,0.035027364,0.002484636,0.0043 58273,0.006901909,0.009203636,0.016682909,-0.004310636,0.008474182,-0.010676455,0.001926727,-0.002097545,-0.003206273,-0.002927636,6.90909E-05,0.007553364,-0.001875818,-0.004117727,0.005339545,-0.000997182,0.003110909,-0.004474182
Italian_Friuli_Timau,0.125561031,0.144173469,0.037 488094,0.007661156,0.033275313,0.001908625,0.00579 4344,0.005494969,0.006314656,0.014123313,-0.003942938,0.005643375,-0.0091985,-0.00099775,-0.001972156,-0.003352031,-0.002868438,0.001076875,0.002777156,-0.003005313,-0.003602938,0.003497063,0.003370031,0.003336219,-0.001309688
Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia,0.127039167,0.145 277083,0.038707306,0.004243861,0.036365667,0.00099 1556,0.001671139,0.00376275,0.008885389,0.01926644 4,-0.002002861,0.004162944,-0.008940278,-0.002893917,0.002661556,-0.000729278,-0.002680167,-0.000147833,0.00239525,-0.001525028,-0.000592694,0.002641361,-0.000879889,0.004608972,0.000289389

Distances

Distance to: Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia
0.01293922 Italian_Northeast
0.01350348 French_Provence
0.01473487 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01665742 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.01786186 Italian_Veneto
0.01860917 Austria_IA
0.01951419 Slovenia_IA
0.02035501 Swiss_French
0.02038197 French_Auvergne
0.02047278 Croatia_IA
0.02076931 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02417990 Italian_Bergamo
0.02420755 Spanish_Penedes
0.02443885 Spanish_Girona
0.02460590 French_Occitanie
0.02499009 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02546866 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02560462 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02573131 Spanish_Baleares
0.02585048 Swiss_German
0.02639106 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02641035 Hungary_IA
0.02648612 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02689396 French_Alsace
0.02744628 Spanish_Lleida
0.02771901 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02903327 Italian_Lombardy
0.02908445 Spanish_Menorca
0.02990168 BelgianC
0.03019628 Italian_Emilia-Liguria
0.03022465 French_Nord
0.03136289 Spanish_Valencia
0.03171766 French_Paris
0.03180248 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03183757 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03207053 Spanish_Alacant
0.03291414 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03305148 Spanish_Castello
0.03313423 Romanian
0.03397751 BelgianB
0.03404921 Spanish_Galicia
0.03410413 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03430744 Spanish_Aragon
0.03575311 Spanish_Murcia
0.03616093 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03647315 Portuguese
0.03669948 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03680421 Montenegrin
0.03718877 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03745240 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03782713 Spanish_Burgos
0.03784207 Bulgarian
0.03905365 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.03911042 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03938227 Serbian
0.03944621 Macedonian
0.03944956 Spanish_Biscay
0.03974460 French_Bigorre
0.03974623 France_South_IA
0.03979333 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04011439 Spanish_Navarra
0.04036343 BelgianA
0.04078452 Czechia_IA
0.04098717 Italian_Tuscany
0.04130730 French_South
0.04133297 France_North_IA
0.04249215 French_Corsica
0.04283765 Austrian
0.04284184 French_Chalosse
0.04372482 Gagauz
0.04433737 French_Bearn
0.04504390 Italy_Center_IA
0.04520815 Spanish_Asturias
0.04565823 Greek_Thessaly
0.04599966 Moldovan
0.04629260 Albanian
0.04662180 Spanish_Soria
0.04697641 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04712709 German_Erlangen
0.04774691 Basque_Navarre_Center
0.04807489 Greek_Macedonia
0.04813583 German
0.04815345 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04815611 Basque_Araba
0.04887018 Bosnian
0.04951382 Afrikaner
0.04998986 Rumelia_East

Distance to: Italian_Friuli_Timau
0.01342515 Italian_Northeast
0.01954794 French_Provence
0.01966720 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02199971 Italian_Veneto
0.02384120 Austria_IA
0.02425848 Croatia_IA
0.02451399 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02518367 Slovenia_IA
0.02522289 Hungary_IA
0.02605912 Romanian
0.02625842 Swiss_French
0.02685987 Swiss_German
0.02719525 French_Auvergne
0.02748686 French_Alsace
0.02866176 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02983074 Italian_Bergamo
0.03002617 Montenegrin
0.03076732 French_Occitanie
0.03106679 Bulgarian
0.03169285 Serbian
0.03175465 French_Nord
0.03218670 Macedonian
0.03241382 Spanish_Baleares
0.03253206 BelgianC
0.03267528 Spanish_Girona
0.03290382 Spanish_Penedes
0.03311162 Italian_Emilia-Liguria
0.03339724 Italian_Lombardy
0.03363175 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03384421 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03386332 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03391906 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03461950 French_Paris
0.03485328 Spanish_Menorca
0.03499884 BelgianB
0.03503189 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03600984 Spanish_Lleida
0.03603062 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03727677 Gagauz
0.03847076 Moldovan
0.03872376 Austrian
0.03878520 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03976015 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03984928 BelgianA
0.03993971 Spanish_Valencia
0.04012349 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04017489 Spanish_Alacant
0.04101273 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.04147614 Spanish_Galicia
0.04178723 Czechia_IA
0.04183235 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04189926 France_North_IA
0.04202633 Spanish_Castello
0.04209424 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04232974 Bosnian
0.04254742 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.04271872 Spanish_Aragon
0.04312666 Spanish_Andalucia
0.04331592 Portuguese
0.04331729 Spanish_Murcia
0.04340866 Albanian
0.04366705 Italian_Tuscany
0.04376412 German_Erlangen
0.04402441 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04410328 Spanish_Extremadura
0.04413260 Greek_Thessaly
0.04460785 Greek_Macedonia
0.04483150 Croatian
0.04605739 France_South_IA
0.04623597 German
0.04637356 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04649433 Spanish_Burgos
0.04700578 Rumelia_East
0.04706773 Spanish_Biscay
0.04719262 Slovenian
0.04724365 Hungarian
0.04768506 French_Corsica
0.04771379 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.04775264 French_Bigorre
0.04792948 Afrikaner
0.04890701 French_South
0.04949021 Spanish_Navarra

Distance to: Italian_Friuli_Sauris
0.01430351 Italian_Northeast
0.01645351 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02004601 Italian_Veneto
0.02008935 Austria_IA
0.02130973 Croatia_IA
0.02179528 French_Provence
0.02358804 Slovenia_IA
0.02512301 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02654101 Italian_Bergamo
0.02733017 Hungary_IA
0.02741614 French_Auvergne
0.02746438 Swiss_French
0.02810255 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02973655 Swiss_German
0.03031922 Romanian
0.03060570 Italian_Lombardy
0.03115708 Spanish_Baleares
0.03140683 French_Alsace
0.03158865 Italian_Emilia-Liguria
0.03167832 Spanish_Girona
0.03186426 French_Occitanie
0.03222815 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03253445 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03256125 Spanish_Menorca
0.03274246 Spanish_Penedes
0.03304156 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03331011 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03365504 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03383743 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03396540 Montenegrin
0.03457736 Spanish_Lleida
0.03479409 Bulgarian
0.03535241 Macedonian
0.03535873 BelgianC
0.03539688 French_Nord
0.03612455 Serbian
0.03702955 French_Paris
0.03851315 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03865200 Spanish_Valencia
0.03920421 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03923935 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03924926 BelgianB
0.03970318 Spanish_Alacant
0.04033227 Spanish_Castello
0.04037764 Gagauz
0.04078737 Spanish_Aragon
0.04096296 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04152827 Spanish_Galicia
0.04203622 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.04207835 Italian_Tuscany
0.04228342 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04245711 Spanish_Murcia
0.04269051 Spanish_Andalucia
0.04289291 Albanian
0.04329292 Moldovan
0.04332628 Portuguese
0.04350697 Greek_Thessaly
0.04387424 Austrian
0.04387661 BelgianA
0.04425844 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04447984 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04449183 Greek_Macedonia
0.04450996 French_Corsica
0.04464418 Spanish_Burgos
0.04480976 Spanish_Extremadura
0.04508928 Czechia_IA
0.04514619 France_North_IA
0.04535913 France_South_IA
0.04570861 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04586741 French_Bigorre
0.04607333 Spanish_Biscay
0.04607818 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.04673422 French_South
0.04691312 Bosnian
0.04776209 Spanish_Navarra
0.04784037 Italy_Center_IA
0.04821200 Rumelia_East
0.04867607 French_Chalosse
0.04869994 German_Erlangen
0.04990098 Croatian

Distance to: Italian_Friuli_Sappada
0.01596487 Italian_Northeast
0.01758722 French_Provence
0.01978644 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02053757 Swiss_French
0.02104799 French_Alsace
0.02106675 Swiss_German
0.02276842 French_Auvergne
0.02348396 Hungary_IA
0.02416208 Austria_IA
0.02450317 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02482693 French_Nord
0.02542714 Slovenia_IA
0.02611564 French_Occitanie
0.02627724 French_Paris
0.02628371 Italian_Veneto
0.02632705 BelgianC
0.02722816 Croatia_IA
0.02753169 BelgianB
0.02952809 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02973946 Romanian
0.02990478 Montenegrin
0.03103848 Spanish_Girona
0.03118676 Spanish_Penedes
0.03329764 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03349845 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03353696 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03369292 Spanish_Baleares
0.03387490 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03403562 Austrian
0.03420535 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03424709 Serbian
0.03435216 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03438958 Italian_Bergamo
0.03473068 BelgianA
0.03496808 Czechia_IA
0.03555788 Spanish_Lleida
0.03633378 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03664432 Bulgarian
0.03700934 Macedonian
0.03729033 France_North_IA
0.03806328 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03849222 German_Erlangen
0.03914287 Spanish_Menorca
0.03923361 Italian_Emilia-Liguria
0.03925872 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03971032 German
0.04014403 Moldovan
0.04021833 Italian_Lombardy
0.04030766 Spanish_Castello
0.04038813 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04069213 Spanish_Valencia
0.04098008 Spanish_Alacant
0.04133981 France_South_IA
0.04160443 Bosnian
0.04214252 Afrikaner
0.04264804 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04301363 Spanish_Aragon
0.04315478 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.04338153 Spanish_Galicia
0.04370631 Croatian
0.04400649 French_Brittany
0.04420663 Gagauz
0.04453737 Spanish_Murcia
0.04485807 Hungarian
0.04530266 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.04553238 Slovenian
0.04562595 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.04568566 Portuguese
0.04570003 Spanish_Biscay
0.04572301 Spanish_Burgos
0.04613062 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04622900 French_Bigorre
0.04644676 Spanish_Andalucia
0.04664176 Spanish_Extremadura
0.04668991 French_South
0.04832960 French_Chalosse
0.04837525 Spanish_Navarra
0.04871518 Spanish_Soria
0.04888474 Welsh
0.04892798 Dutch
0.04911611 Italian_Tuscany

J. Ketch

04-21-2022, 06:01 PM

A woman I chatted to some years ago

Mother side: Grandma from Cologne/Bonn (I know she had some Dutch family); Grandpa from Pommern/ nowadays Poland (at the eastern ocean).
Father side: Grandma from southern Germany (I do not know more about it); Grandpa from western side of todays Czech Republic.
Kit TB7147104

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.33
2 Baltic 28.38
3 West_Med 13.24
4 East_Med 6.17
5 West_Asian 3.24
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Siberian 0.77
8 Sub-Saharan 0.59
9 Amerindian 0.47

Distance to: andrea
4.69964892 Dutch_South-Holland
6.01863772 Dutch_Gelderland
6.07396699 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.08565526 German_Schleswig-Holstein
6.18643678 Dutch_North-Brabant
6.24905593 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
6.35115737 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
6.47585516 German_North_Moravia
6.61973564 German_Lower_Saxony_South
6.62800875 English_East
6.63629415 Dutch_Limburg
6.66643083 Flemish
6.68337490 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
6.74857763 English_East-Midlands
6.79686693 German_Westphalia
7.01744255 Dutch_Friesland
7.13236286 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.25825048 English_Southeast
7.26185238 English_Northeast
7.30722245 Dutch_Overijssel

Target: andrea
Distance: 100.0552% / 1.00055246 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.8 German_East_Prussia_Central
35.0 Dutch_Limburg
19.4 German_North_Hesse
7.8 German_Schleswig-Holstein

K36

Distance to: andrea
7.41725016 German_Saxony
7.78111175 German_Thuringia_East
8.50491623 German_East
8.76299036 German
9.50576667 German_Hither_Pomerania
10.30062134 Austrian_Carinthia
10.31558045 Czech_Moravia
10.38735770 German_Thuringia_Central
10.43860144 German_North_Bohemia
10.65942775 German_Farther_Pomerania
10.69412456 Czech
10.72725501 German_County_Glatz
10.87141665 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
10.88876026 German_West_Prussia
10.98634607 Austrian_Styria
11.11223200 German_Mecklenburg_West
11.15031838 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
11.41366725 German_Lower_Saxony_South
11.48051393 Slovenian
11.59359737 Hungarian

Target: andrea
Distance: 451.6436% / 4.51643628 | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.6 Polish_North
28.2 German_Lower_Saxony_South
11.0 Austrian_LowerAustria
9.6 Cornish
7.6 Moldova_Centre
5.2 Sardinian
3.8 Austrian_Styria

Target: andrea
Distance: 493.1128% / 4.93112763 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.6 German_Lower_Saxony_South
39.0 Polish_Wielkopolska
8.4 Sardinian

Her Southern German father

Kit JF8754222

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.91
2 Baltic 23.06
3 West_Med 14.73
4 East_Med 9.76
5 Red_Sea 3.23
6 West_Asian 3.15
7 Amerindian 0.99
8 Siberian 0.55
9 East_Asian 0.43
10 South_Asian 0.2

Distance to: anton
2.40877562 German_North_Hesse
3.70573879 Dutch_Limburg
4.35963301 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
4.65392308 Walloon
4.84154934 French_Hauts_de_France
4.95103020 German_South_Hesse
5.05486894 French_Normandy
5.15806165 French_Northeast
5.23474928 Flemish
5.34252749 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.36279778 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.38547120 German_Baden-Württemberg
5.43493330 French_Alsace
5.77261639 German_North_Rhine
5.98605880 German_Saarland
6.00434010 Swiss_German
6.01764904 German_Bavaria_Proper
6.85628908 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
7.04597048 Dutch_North-Brabant
7.14734216 Swiss_German_North

Target: anton
Distance: 168.0800% / 1.68080014 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.4 German_North_Hesse
14.0 German_East_Prussia_Central
11.2 Spanish_Galicia
4.4 Dutch_Gelderland

k36

Distance to: anton
8.54422027 Austrian_LowerAustria
9.16225955 German_North_Rhine
11.32950573 German_Baden-Württemberg
11.41580921 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
11.88440154 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
11.90472175 German_South
11.90588090 German_Saarland
11.95372745 Belgian
12.17126945 German
12.28183211 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
12.32849950 Flemish
12.44479811 Swiss_German_North
12.53255361 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
13.63796172 German_Hesse_South
13.74996727 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
13.78988035 German_Saxony
13.88477223 Belgian-2
14.00148921 Austrian_Tyrol
14.00949321 French_East
14.10084040 German_Thuringia_East

Target: anton
Distance: 734.0847% / 7.34084735 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.4 Austrian_LowerAustria
28.0 German_North_Rhine
25.4 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
3.6 Greek_Thrace
3.6 Italian_North

Notable difference again between K13 and K36.

J. Ketch

05-12-2022, 09:40 AM

Zeeland

Kit XL4553292

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.85
2 Baltic 24
3 West_Med 17.56
4 West_Asian 10.2
5 Red_Sea 1.91
6 Oceanian 1.3
7 East_Med 0.49
8 Amerindian 0.46
9 Sub-Saharan 0.23

Distance to: Zeeland1
8.10320924 Dutch_North-Brabant
8.81119742 English_East-Midlands
8.88767124 French_Brittany
8.89903366 German_North_Rhine
8.99841097 English_Southeast
9.02817811 Welsh_South
9.07160405 French_Normandy
9.17051253 English_West-Country
9.24355992 Flemish
9.25028108 English_East
9.28178862 Dutch_Limburg
9.35985577 English_Northeast
9.44200191 English_West-Midlands
9.44522101 German_Westphalia
9.60953693 British_Ulster
9.64199150 Dutch_South-Holland
9.66955532 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
9.72060183 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.72644334 French_Northeast
9.74373132 German_Lower_Saxony_South

K36

Distance to: Zeeland1
5.65573161 Dutch_South
7.16521458 French_Normandy
7.66919161 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
7.84240397 Afrikaner
7.86628883 Belgian-2
8.19374151 Guernsey
8.27044739 Belgian
8.45495121 Flemish
8.52044600 English_Southeast
8.78353573 English_East
8.97260274 Dutch
8.99723291 German
9.01656254 English
9.02514266 German_North_Rhine
9.13801948 English_Lancashire
9.16806959 Dutch_Central
9.29865582 French_Brittany
9.35887814 English_West-Midlands
9.39083596 English_East-Midlands
9.52593827 English_Yorkshire

South Holland

Kit TA9293421

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.29
2 Baltic 26.71
3 West_Med 13.1
4 East_Med 8.7
5 West_Asian 4.13
6 Amerindian 0.55
7 Northeast_African 0.28
8 Oceanian 0.08
9 Siberian 0.08
10 Sub-Saharan 0.05
11 East_Asian 0.04

Distance to: SthHolland6
5.10332245 Flemish
5.21711606 Dutch_South-Holland
5.58442477 English_East
5.60511374 Dutch_Gelderland
5.77351713 Dutch_Limburg
5.84436481 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
6.01968438 German_North_Hesse
6.11525960 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
6.38202946 English_East-Midlands
6.40241361 Dutch_North-Brabant
6.59396694 German_Lower_Saxony_South
6.62894411 English_Southeast
6.63107834 German_North_Moravia
6.78370843 German_Schleswig-Holstein
6.80046322 French_Normandy
6.87148456 English_West-Midlands
6.91217043 German_Westphalia
7.08026836 English_Northeast
7.24833774 French_Brittany
7.27112784 German_North_Rhine

K36

Distance to: SthHolland6
5.57503363 German
5.78850585 Flemish
6.03129339 Dutch_Central
6.04669331 Belgian
6.38134782 English_East-Midlands
6.62419052 Afrikaner
6.63535982 English_West-Midlands
6.64055721 Dutch
6.79071425 German_Northwest
6.82572340 English_East
6.86085272 English_Northeast
6.95876426 German_Lower_Saxony_South
6.97838090 English_Southeast
6.98946350 English
7.13098170 Dutch_South
7.34219994 English_Yorkshire
7.47303820 Belgian-2
7.70677624 English_Lancashire
7.81920073 German_Westphalia
7.82872914 German_South

Kit H483638

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.91
2 Baltic 22.94
3 West_Med 11.92
4 West_Asian 6.96
5 East_Med 5.31
6 Red_Sea 1.24
7 South_Asian 0.97
8 Amerindian 0.37
9 Siberian 0.23
10 Northeast_African 0.16

Distance to: SouthHolland7
2.55407518 English_Southeast
2.63482447 English_West-Midlands
2.91324561 English_East
2.94971185 English_Northeast
3.04428974 English_East-Midlands
3.04980327 Dutch_Gelderland
3.17568890 English_Lancashire
3.25127667 English_Yorkshire
3.30337706 Scottish_East
3.60234646 German_Westphalia
3.64296582 English_West-Country
3.64318542 Scottish_North-Highlands
3.64980821 Welsh_South
3.67760792 Scottish_Southwest
3.68551218 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.69614664 British_Ulster
3.77440061 Cornish
3.77710206 Dutch_North-Holland
3.89803797 Scottish_Northeast
3.93978426 Dutch_North-Brabant

K36

Distance to: SouthHolland7
5.77665128 English_East
6.35372332 English_Southeast
6.50618168 English
6.56842447 Guernsey
6.66470554 English_Southwest
6.67279552 English_East-Midlands
6.68435487 English_Lancashire
6.79772021 English_West-Midlands
7.24063533 French_Brittany
7.45052347 British_Ulster
7.56076054 English_Yorkshire
7.60158536 Dutch_South
7.78232613 Scottish_Southwest
7.79499198 Welsh
7.84285025 Afrikaner
8.00434257 Scottish_Orkney
8.22547871 French_Normandy
8.23523527 Scottish
8.30684657 Scottish_East
8.33577231 Dutch_Central

North Holland

Kit XY3535077

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.17
2 Baltic 25.33
3 West_Med 14.51
4 West_Asian 6.6
5 East_Med 1.9
6 Amerindian 0.58
7 Oceanian 0.57
8 South_Asian 0.36
9 Red_Sea 0.33
10 East_Asian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.32

Distance to: NorthHolland2
2.69968517 English_Northeast
2.76763437 Welsh_South
3.11255522 English_East-Midlands
3.13017571 Scottish_Shetland
3.14604514 Scottish_Northeast
3.30924463 English_West-Country
3.36648184 English_West-Midlands
3.37078626 English_Southeast
3.37619608 English_Yorkshire
3.51562228 British_Ulster
3.56730991 Scottish_North-Highlands
3.58027932 Scottish_East
3.58484309 English_Lancashire
3.63161121 German_Westphalia
3.66728783 Dutch_South-Holland
3.67816530 Scottish_Orkney
3.82187127 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
3.84590692 Welsh_North
3.92244822 Cornish
3.92255019 Irish_Leinster

K36

Distance to: NorthHolland
5.14789277 English_Southwest
5.19102109 Cornish
5.22478708 Welsh
5.71254759 Scottish_Orkney
5.87664870 Scottish
5.90432045 English_Northeast
6.01866264 Irish_Leinster
6.09733548 English_Lancashire
6.31096665 English
6.40071871 British_Ulster
6.43533993 Scottish_East
6.46296372 English_West-Midlands
6.62904971 Scottish_Southwest
6.64048191 English_Yorkshire
6.71927824 English_Southeast
6.87549998 Irish
7.01215373 English_East-Midlands
7.01773468 Irish_Munster
7.24169870 English_East
7.34364351 Irish_Connacht

West Flanders

Kit QP2841464

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.15
2 Baltic 19.78
3 West_Med 11.68
4 East_Med 7.93
5 West_Asian 6.14
6 South_Asian 0.87
7 Northeast_African 0.65
8 Amerindian 0.38
9 Oceanian 0.33
10 Siberian 0.08

Distance to: WestFlanders1
6.15167457 Cornish
6.19557100 English_West-Midlands
6.35112588 English_Lancashire
6.36679668 English_Southeast
6.45665548 English_East
6.51277974 Scottish_East
6.59966666 English_Yorkshire
6.66423289 Scottish_Southwest
6.67203117 English_West-Country
6.74022255 Scottish_North-Highlands
6.74187659 Dutch_Gelderland
6.82203049 English_East-Midlands
6.94347896 Irish_Leinster
6.96255700 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
6.98206989 British_Ulster
7.04022727 English_Northeast
7.16242277 Welsh_North
7.17639882 Welsh_South
7.22579407 Scottish_Northeast
7.28137350 French_Brittany

K36

Distance to: WestFlanders1
11.14564938 Flemish
11.91399177 Belgian
12.03189511 English_East-Midlands
12.21094181 English_West-Midlands
12.31154743 German_Westphalia
12.47943108 Dutch_Central
12.60518147 Belgian-2
12.65505433 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
12.67086422 English_Yorkshire
12.73508932 English_Southeast
12.76854338 English
12.77980829 German_Northwest
12.89422351 English_Northeast
12.91176595 German_North_Rhine
13.08346284 English_East
13.13549771 German_Lower_Saxony_South
13.13938735 Dutch
13.16758900 Scottish
13.44877318 Cornish
13.59805501 English_Lancashire

Mostly Thuringia (Erfurt), with some Bavaria

Kit H561438

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.93
2 Baltic 28.8
3 West_Med 16.24
4 West_Asian 7.57
5 East_Med 6.33
6 Amerindian 1.83
7 Sub-Saharan 0.28

Distance to: Erfurt1
4.11489976 German_West_Bohemia
4.44158755 German_Saxony
4.70447659 German_North_Bohemia
4.73509240 German_North_Moravia
4.75229418 German_County_Glatz
4.90669950 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
5.17841675 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
5.51178510 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.69646382 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.81071424 German_Thuringia_Central
6.38624303 Austrian_Styria
6.60197698 German_Thuringia_East
6.81840157 German_Bavaria_Proper
7.04650977 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.29750642 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.56674302 French_Alsace
7.77151851 German_Bavarian_Swabia
7.85750597 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
8.06101731 Dutch_Limburg
8.06864921 Austrian_Burgenland

K36

Distance to: Erfurt1
6.74041542 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
7.51316178 Austrian_Burgenland
7.77697885 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
8.00562927 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
8.46570139 German_Thuringia_East
8.60724114 German
8.92146849 German_County_Glatz
9.77440535 German_North_Bohemia
9.99547398 German_Baden-Württemberg
10.35085504 German_Saxony
10.40292267 German_South
10.42689791 German_East
10.66093805 Slovenian
10.72650456 Austrian_Tyrol
10.74216924 Austrian_Carinthia
11.01338731 Hungarian
11.20970562 Afrikaner
11.24986667 Belgian
11.25420810 German_Hesse_South
11.26364950 Swiss_German_North

Flemish Brabant

Kit DP5037532

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.07
2 West_Med 20.11
3 Baltic 19.12
4 East_Med 9.45
5 West_Asian 7.48
6 Amerindian 1.13
7 Oceanian 0.65

Distance to: FlemishBrabant1
3.30122704 Swiss_German_North
3.45748463 French_Central
3.58916425 German_Saarland
4.39577069 French_Northeast
4.67847197 German_South_Hesse
5.09949998 Swiss_German
5.12419750 Swiss_French
5.20451727 French_Hauts_de_France
5.22472966 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
5.54159724 French_Alsace
5.59085861 German_North_Rhine
5.95082347 German_Baden-Württemberg
5.95802820 Italian_Aosta_Valley
6.09020525 Walloon
6.56043444 French_Normandy
6.66853807 Austrian_Tyrol
6.93320272 Dutch_Limburg
7.28604831 German_Bavaria_Proper
7.43502522 German_North_Hesse
8.00348049 Flemish

K36

Distance to: FlemishBrabant1
10.27391843 Austrian_Tyrol
10.80583639 Swiss_German_North
10.88742394 German_Baden-Württemberg
11.30722336 German_South
11.60577873 German_Saarland
11.78594502 German_North_Rhine
11.80936916 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
12.52306272 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
12.60848524 German_Hesse_South
12.81241195 Flemish
12.86217711 Austrian_LowerAustria
12.93848523 Belgian
12.93985317 Italian_Veneto
13.19709059 French_Central
13.22081692 Belgian-2
13.96436178 Italian_North
14.23611956 German_Bavaria_proper
14.29426458 French_Northeast
14.39334916 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
14.63581908 Italian_Aosta

Half Zeeland, half Flemish

Kit PT2343285

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.86
2 Baltic 21.68
3 West_Med 14.24
4 West_Asian 8.85
5 East_Med 3.93
6 Amerindian 1.47
7 Red_Sea 1.06
8 South_Asian 0.83
9 Siberian 0.82
10 Northeast_African 0.18
11 Sub-Saharan 0.08

Distance to: ZeelandFlanders
3.99088963 Dutch_North-Brabant
4.42085964 English_Southeast
4.65095689 English_East-Midlands
4.66637975 English_East
4.90863525 French_Brittany
4.90976578 English_West-Midlands
4.94401659 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.06672478 English_West-Country
5.10325386 Welsh_South
5.32213303 English_Northeast
5.33719027 Flemish
5.51320234 British_Ulster
5.59052770 Cornish
5.70539219 Scottish_North-Highlands
5.72494541 Scottish_East
5.82146030 German_Westphalia
5.94563706 French_Normandy
5.95467044 English_Yorkshire
5.98539890 Dutch_South-Holland
6.00439006 German_Lower_Saxony_South

K36

Distance to: ZeelandFlanders
9.57652338 Guernsey
10.37582768 French_Brittany
10.69507363 English_Southeast
10.87038638 English_East
10.90894129 English_West-Midlands
11.00346764 English_Southwest
11.09680134 English
11.11232199 British_Ulster
11.13120838 English_Lancashire
11.18472619 Afrikaner
11.23279573 Welsh
11.23483422 Dutch_South
11.38336945 French_Normandy
11.45937171 French_Hauts-de-France
11.66635761 Scottish
11.77548300 Scottish_Southwest
11.79286649 Scottish_East
11.79315479 Scottish_Orkney
11.88486012 Belgian-2
11.96651578 English_Yorkshire

J. Ketch

05-12-2022, 09:51 AM

Both parents from the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia)

Kit WB8117727

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.57
2 Baltic 20.89
3 West_Med 13.09
4 East_Med 5.2
5 East_Asian 4.68
6 West_Asian 4.23
7 South_Asian 2.74
8 Northeast_African 1.54
9 Oceanian 0.89
10 Siberian 0.48
11 Red_Sea 0.35
12 Amerindian 0.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.7% Southeast_English + 8.3% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 2.03
2 92.6% Southeast_English + 7.4% Malay @ 2.33
3 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Cambodian @ 2.39
4 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Lahu @ 2.73
5 93.6% Southeast_English + 6.4% Vietnamese @ 2.83
6 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Yizu @ 2.85
7 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Naxi @ 2.91
8 93.4% Southeast_English + 6.6% Miaozu @ 2.91
9 93.4% Southeast_English + 6.6% Tujia @ 2.93
10 93.8% Southeast_English + 6.2% Dai @ 2.96

Distance to: DutchEastIndies
6.01538860 Dutch_South
6.32074363 Belgian
6.80562268 English_Southeast
6.94429982 French_Brittany
7.10705284 English_Midlands
7.15125164 French_North
7.49909995 English_Southwest
7.58216328 Dutch
7.96085423 English_North
8.00139363 Dutch_Central
8.25275106 Welsh
8.53479349 German_Northwest
8.77632041 German_Southwest
8.88450336 Scottish
9.32044527 Dutch_North
9.63635823 French_Alsace
9.66218402 German
9.85519153 Irish
10.51626360 Swiss_German
10.84051198 Icelandic

Target: DutchEastIndies
Distance: 219.9434% / 2.19943381 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.2 English_Southeast
20.2 Belgian
4.0 Malay
2.6 Bamar

J. Ketch

05-16-2022, 03:59 AM

North Brabantines

Kit HJ1565071

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.42
2 Baltic 19.64
3 West_Med 14.82
4 West_Asian 7.59
5 East_Med 7.01
6 Red_Sea 1.04
7 South_Asian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 4.9
2 South_Dutch 5.17
3 Southwest_English 5.43
4 West_German 6.3
5 Orcadian 6.9
6 West_Scottish 7.19
7 Irish 7.19
8 North_Dutch 7.9
9 Danish 8.24
10 French 8.55

Kit H004950

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.48
2 Baltic 25.17
3 West_Med 14.28
4 East_Med 5.74
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Amerindian 1.32
7 Oceanian 0.8
8 Northeast_African 0.74
9 South_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 4.23
2 South_Dutch 4.46
3 West_German 4.9
4 North_German 4.98
5 North_Dutch 5.38
6 Orcadian 5.57
7 Danish 5.58
8 Southwest_English 6.4
9 Irish 6.74
10 West_Scottish 7.36

Kit BE1133138

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.12
2 Baltic 26.85
3 West_Med 13.38
4 West_Asian 6.53
5 East_Med 5.85
6 Red_Sea 3.18
7 Oceanian 0.98
8 Northeast_African 0.66
9 Amerindian 0.26
10 East_Asian 0.13
11 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 5.39
2 South_Dutch 5.82
3 Austrian 5.95
4 North_German 6.03
5 East_German 6.98
6 North_Dutch 8.24
7 Danish 8.36
8 Southeast_English 8.77
9 Swedish 9.12
10 Orcadian 9.44

Kit M004105

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.5
2 Baltic 21.87
3 West_Med 14.62
4 West_Asian 7.43
5 East_Med 6.7
6 Red_Sea 1.87
7 Amerindian 0.63
8 Siberian 0.59
9 Northeast_African 0.39
10 East_Asian 0.31
11 Oceanian 0.09
12 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 2.23
2 West_German 3.06
3 Southeast_English 5.82
4 North_German 6.95
5 Southwest_English 7.11
6 Orcadian 7.39
7 French 7.55
8 North_Dutch 7.6
9 Danish 7.87
10 Irish 8.1

Kit YH6404411

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.17
2 Baltic 24.15
3 West_Med 15.58
4 East_Med 3.53
5 South_Asian 2.44
6 West_Asian 2.41
7 Sub-Saharan 0.64
8 Amerindian 0.06
9 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.32
2 Southwest_English 3.59
3 Orcadian 4.09
4 West_Scottish 5.05
5 Irish 5.25
6 North_Dutch 5.9
7 Danish 6.04
8 Norwegian 7.56
9 South_Dutch 7.77
10 North_German 7.86

K13 average

Distance to: Netherlands_North-Brabant(n=8)
1.32329135 Dutch_South
2.67028088 English_Southeast
2.74468577 Flemish
2.97238961 English_Midlands
3.58942892 Dutch
3.65661045 French_Brittany
3.96787097 English_Southwest
4.24625718 English_North
4.39840880 German_Northwest
4.61549564 Dutch_Central
4.98413483 Welsh
5.80120677 Dutch_North
5.85627014 Scottish
5.90754602 French_North
5.98792118 Walloon
6.11307615 German
7.30870029 Irish
7.35560331 German_Southwest
7.51851049 Icelandic
7.85409447 Danish

Distance to: Netherlands_North-Brabant(n=8)
1.61786897 Dutch_North-Brabant
2.14539041 English_East
2.55458411 English_East-Midlands
2.74468577 Flemish
2.77362579 Dutch_South-Holland
2.91183791 English_Southeast
3.38391785 English_West-Midlands
3.65661045 French_Brittany
3.81184994 English_Northeast
4.07002457 Dutch_Gelderland
4.08761544 Dutch_Limburg
4.09409331 English_Southwest
4.18368259 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
4.39840880 German_Lower_Saxony_South
4.46164768 German_Westphalia
4.47091713 French_Normandy
4.62347272 Cornish
4.70739843 English_Lancashire
4.93929145 English_Yorkshire
5.20345078 Welsh_South

K36 average

Distance to: Netherlands_North-Brabant(n=8)
2.57186703 Dutch_South
3.81202046 English_West-Midlands
3.84836329 English_East
3.85270035 English_Lancashire
3.89002571 English
4.02797716 English_Southeast
4.34980459 English_Northeast
4.37240209 English_East-Midlands
4.37657400 Dutch
4.63159800 Dutch_Central
4.80891880 British_Ulster
4.91886166 English_Yorkshire
4.93542298 Afrikaner
5.09920582 Scottish
5.35234528 Scottish_Orkney
5.37810376 Scottish_Southwest
5.39557226 English_Southwest
5.48386725 Welsh
5.56069240 Guernsey
5.56598599 French_Brittany

More South Hollanders

Kit M441936

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.11
2 Baltic 22.44
3 West_Med 12.43
4 West_Asian 6.28
5 East_Med 3.22
6 South_Asian 1.98
7 Amerindian 0.88
8 Red_Sea 0.87
9 Sub-Saharan 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.49
2 West_Scottish 2.63
3 Orcadian 2.7
4 Southeast_English 3.08
5 Southwest_English 3.18
6 North_Dutch 4.07
7 Danish 4.39
8 North_German 6.03
9 Norwegian 6.32
10 South_Dutch 7.49

Kit M471727

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.32
2 Baltic 24.36
3 West_Med 12.62
4 West_Asian 5.33
5 East_Med 4.39
6 South_Asian 1.68
7 Red_Sea 1.07
8 Siberian 0.73
9 Amerindian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.59
2 Orcadian 2.69
3 North_Dutch 3.08
4 Danish 3.15
5 Irish 3.88
6 West_Scottish 4.24
7 North_German 4.25
8 Southwest_English 4.29
9 Norwegian 5.47
10 South_Dutch 5.98

Kit GM3850846

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.97
2 Baltic 20.77
3 West_Med 14.71
4 West_Asian 5.08
5 East_Med 3.82
6 Oceanian 1.31
7 Red_Sea 0.95
8 Northeast_African 0.58
9 Siberian 0.53
10 South_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 2
2 Southeast_English 3.36
3 West_Scottish 4.2
4 Orcadian 4.39
5 Irish 4.69
6 North_Dutch 6.37
7 Danish 7.04
8 South_Dutch 7.56
9 North_German 8.59
10 Norwegian 8.66
K13 average

Distance to: Netherlands_South-Holland(n=10)
1.33746028 Dutch
1.86263255 Dutch_Central
1.95619529 English_Midlands
2.08398656 English_Southeast
2.30610060 English_North
2.86813528 English_Southwest
3.39973528 Dutch_North
3.43883701 German_Northwest
3.63119815 Welsh
3.96705180 Dutch_South
4.01346484 Scottish
4.96405077 French_Brittany
5.15818767 Flemish
5.43928304 Icelandic
5.52887873 Irish
5.89369154 Danish
6.38507635 Norwegian
6.48162788 Norwegian_Southcentral
6.54810660 Swedish_Götaland
7.71062254 Swedish_West-Svealand

Distance to: Netherlands_South-Holland(n=10)
1.15498918 Dutch_South-Holland
1.73565550 Dutch_Gelderland
2.03108345 English_East
2.05662345 English_East-Midlands
2.08353066 English_West-Midlands
2.12692266 English_Northeast
2.14764988 English_Southeast
2.44773365 English_Lancashire
2.84892962 English_Yorkshire
2.86405307 Dutch_North-Holland
3.16865902 English_Southwest
3.18654986 Dutch_North-Brabant
3.22992260 Dutch_Overijssel
3.32660488 Cornish
3.40722761 Scottish_Orkney
3.41761613 German_Westphalia
3.43883701 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.60459429 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.80090779 Scottish_Northeast
3.80923877 Scottish_East

K36 average

Distance to: Netherlands_South-Holland(n=10)
2.54570226 Dutch_Central
2.61618042 Dutch_South
2.66662708 Dutch
3.84486671 English_East
3.95116439 English_Southeast
4.08849606 English_East-Midlands
4.14945780 English
4.15990385 English_West-Midlands
4.31295722 English_Lancashire
4.70706915 English_Yorkshire
5.14917469 German_Northwest
5.33489456 German_Westphalia
5.38265734 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.48648339 Afrikaner
5.59305820 English_Northeast
6.23610455 Flemish
6.30428426 British_Ulster
6.40509172 German
6.54814478 Guernsey
6.59838617 French_Normandy

Limburg

Kit T489799

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.32
2 Baltic 21.9
3 West_Med 12.82
4 West_Asian 6
5 East_Med 5.58
6 South_Asian 1.14
7 Red_Sea 0.97
8 Siberian 0.73
9 East_Asian 0.56
10 Amerindian 0.46
11 Sub-Saharan 0.29
12 Oceanian 0.21
13 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.72
2 Orcadian 4.09
3 Southwest_English 4.21
4 Irish 4.91
5 West_Scottish 4.96
6 North_Dutch 5
7 South_Dutch 5.17
8 Danish 5.18
9 North_German 5.94
10 West_German 6.31

Antwerp

Kit A316378

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.31
2 Baltic 25.44
3 West_Med 14.91
4 West_Asian 6.65
5 East_Med 5.65
6 Red_Sea 1.92
7 Oceanian 1.09
8 Northeast_African 0.59
9 South_Asian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.94
2 South_Dutch 3.99
3 North_German 6.01
4 Austrian 7.12
5 Southeast_English 7.19
6 North_Dutch 7.63
7 Danish 7.81
8 East_German 8.19
9 Orcadian 8.27
10 Southwest_English 8.69

Updated Flemish average (21 individuals)

K13

Distance to: Flemish
2.09780838 Dutch_South
3.24124976 French_Brittany
3.40451171 Walloon
3.40584791 French_North
4.43487317 English_Southeast
4.84022727 English_Midlands
5.19513234 German_Southwest
5.52442757 English_Southwest
5.83421803 Dutch
6.21948551 English_North
6.26822144 French_Alsace
6.75988166 German
6.76547855 Welsh
6.77017725 Dutch_Central
6.83128831 German_Northwest
7.15896641 Welsh_South
7.23872917 Swiss_German
7.76891241 Scottish
8.01730628 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
8.07502322 Welsh_North

Distance to: Flemish
2.16700254 Dutch_Limburg
2.24561796 French_Normandy
3.10515700 Dutch_North-Brabant
3.15456812 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
3.24124976 French_Brittany
3.40451171 Walloon
3.69101612 English_East
3.88177794 German_North_Rhine
4.07569626 French_Hauts-de-France
4.33258583 French_Northeast
4.49498610 German_North_Hesse
4.56028508 English_East-Midlands
4.75593314 English_Southeast
4.92236732 Dutch_South-Holland
4.92474365 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
5.17698754 English_West-Midlands
5.19513234 German_South_Hesse
5.22912038 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.27859830 German_Saarland
5.67572903 English_Southwest

K36

Distance to: Flemish
3.89796101 Belgian
4.36221274 Afrikaner
4.64293011 German_South
4.87007187 German_North_Rhine
4.93024340 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
5.28868604 Dutch_South
5.34420247 French_Normandy
5.49470654 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
6.06051153 English_East-Midlands
6.17130456 German_Hesse_South
6.20748741 German_Baden-Württemberg
6.30802663 Guernsey
6.45749952 English_Southeast
6.48489784 French_Hauts-de-France
6.53781309 English_East
6.64021084 English_West-Midlands
6.82741532 English
6.94443662 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
7.01173302 German_Saarland
7.20534524 Dutch_Central

Kasra2099

05-18-2022, 01:33 AM

Nice results👍

Leto

05-20-2022, 09:07 PM

GEDmatch results of a Braunschweig-born professor of chemistry and bioinformatics
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietmar_Schomburg

R-M467
H11a2

North_Atlantic 42.15 Pct
Baltic 30.73 Pct
West_Med 12.42 Pct
West_Asian 3.52 Pct
East_Med 9.23 Pct
Red_Sea 0.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.33 Pct
Northeast_African 0.35 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: DS
3.20558887 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
4.22363587 German_Thuringia_Central
5.07604176 German_Saxony
5.11234780 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
5.19297603 German_North_Bohemia
5.75742998 German_North_Moravia
6.26731202 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
6.30239637 German_Thuringia_East
6.48753227 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.76701559 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
6.89944925 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
7.09737275 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.47900394 German_West_Bohemia
7.83874990 Austrian_Burgenland
8.37720717 German_Mecklenburg_West
8.46966351 German_County_Glatz
8.60962833 German_Bavaria_Proper
9.14937156 German_North_Hesse
9.22494444 German_Farther_Pomerania
9.25877962 Dutch_Limburg

Target: DS
Distance: 149.1898% / 1.49189829
31.0 German_East_Prussia_Central
22.0 Austrian_Burgenland
15.2 German_Hamburg
13.6 German_Thuringia_Central
11.8 Swiss_Italian
4.8 Latvian
1.6 Greek_Lefkada

Target: DS
Distance: 178.6452% / 1.78645184 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.2 German_Thuringia_Central
24.0 German_East_Prussia_Central
17.6 German_North_Hesse
3.6 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
1.6 German_Hamburg

Target: DS
Distance: 234.0747% / 2.34074653 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.8 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
17.6 German_Thuringia_Central
15.6 German_North_Hesse

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.16 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 4.7 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.85 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.37 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.63 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.93 Pct
Fennoscandian 10.91 Pct
French 2.34 Pct
Iberian 9.48 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 7.84 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 12.94 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 20.59 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.95 Pct
West_Med 0.3 Pct

Creoda's Pastebin account doesn't seem to have the less detailed K13 spreadsheet.

Russki

05-20-2022, 10:02 PM

Leto

06-12-2022, 02:10 PM

A Russian-speaking woman originally from Kaliningrad (formerly Königsberg) who now lives in Lower Saxony, Germany. Might she be an actual East Prussian?

North_Atlantic 27.98 Pct
Baltic 52.37 Pct
West_Med 9.89 Pct
West_Asian 1.99 Pct
East_Med 2.03 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.84 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.52 Pct
Amerindian 0.8 Pct
Oceanian 1.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Oxana
3.94934172 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
4.19738014 Russian_Pskov
5.10038234 Belarusian
5.41342775 Lithuanian_Žemaitija
6.16683063 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
6.48043208 Russian_Smolensk
6.48716425 Estonian
7.04502661 Russian
7.79994872 Russian_Kostroma
7.90707278 Latvian
8.12214257 Polish_Mazovia
8.17909530 Russian_Kargopol
8.50656217 Russian_Southwest
8.57969114 Russian_Ryazan
8.63061991 Ukrainian_Northwest
8.73238226 Russian_North
8.77318072 Polish
8.83178351 Polish_Podlaskie
8.94218653 Polish_Kujavia
9.12607802 Ukrainian_North

Distance to: Oxana
2.54312694 14.40% French_South + 85.60% Latvian
2.55839611 86.60% Latvian + 13.40% Spanish_North
2.56500202 86.80% Latvian + 13.20% Spanish_Central_&_South
2.62379427 86.20% Latvian + 13.80% Portuguese
2.76452742 12.00% French_Aquitaine + 88.00% Latvian
2.84632547 93.60% Lithuanian_Žemaitija + 6.40% Sardinian
2.89022978 15.80% French_Central + 84.20% Latvian
2.93138157 14.80% Italian_Aosta_Valley + 85.20% Latvian
2.99751639 83.20% Latvian + 16.80% Swiss_French
3.00235943 11.20% Basque_France + 88.80% Latvian
3.06801665 14.60% Italian_North_Alpine + 85.40% Latvian
3.08063636 18.80% Austrian_Lower_Austria + 81.20% Latvian
3.10222161 17.00% Austrian_Tyrol + 83.00% Latvian
3.10650420 17.20% German_Southwest + 82.80% Latvian
3.11417261 56.40% Latvian + 43.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria
3.15246870 74.00% Latvian + 26.00% Slovene
3.15316012 82.80% Latvian + 17.20% Swiss_German
3.16939650 20.20% Austrian + 79.80% Latvian
3.17149454 59.40% Latvian + 40.60% Polish_Lesser_Poland
3.18197953 23.40% Austrian_Styria + 76.60% Latvian

Target: Oxana
Distance: 1.1420% / 1.14200834 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.0 Latvian
20.1 Estonian
10.4 Finnish_East
6.6 Sardinian
0.9 Papuan

Target: Oxana
Distance: 1.4517% / 1.45172217 | R4P
70.4 Latvian
21.0 Finnish_East
5.9 Sardinian
2.7 Basque_France

Her son, apparently with a German father

North_Atlantic 35.46 Pct
Baltic 37.82 Pct
West_Med 13.64 Pct
West_Asian 8.43 Pct
East_Med 1.66 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 1.16 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Robert
7.37370328 German_Northeast
8.02805705 Sorb
8.29463079 Slovak
8.57316161 Polish_South
8.59196136 Czech
8.99010567 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
9.07105837 Polish_Lesser_Poland
9.45485590 Polish_Silesia
9.49864727 Slovene
9.52313499 Polish_Greater_Poland
9.52483071 Austrian_Styria
9.86060850 German_Southeast
10.10812050 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.26692262 Polish_Kujavia
10.51656313 Polish
10.53358439 Hungarian_North
10.63791333 Austrian_Carinthia
10.80263857 Polish_Subcarpathia
10.93357672 Croat_Northern
11.15968190 Lemko_Poland

Distance to: Robert
3.88887126 27.80% Irish + 72.20% Polish_Silesia
4.11972373 71.60% Polish_Silesia + 28.40% Scottish
4.14108437 71.20% Polish_Silesia + 28.80% Welsh
4.14553371 44.20% French_Brittany + 55.80% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.20670106 56.20% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl + 43.80% Welsh
4.23155728 30.60% Icelandic + 69.40% Polish_Silesia
4.26423945 34.00% Irish + 66.00% Polish_Mazovia
4.26829500 44.00% English_Southwest + 56.00% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.33417557 64.80% Polish_Mazovia + 35.20% Welsh
4.34822153 45.40% English_Southeast + 54.60% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.35369972 45.20% English_Midlands + 54.80% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.42059516 29.00% English_North + 71.00% Polish_Silesia
4.42548465 46.80% Dutch_South + 53.20% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.42584837 28.80% English_Southwest + 71.20% Polish_Silesia
4.44328656 58.40% Russian_Ryazan + 41.60% Welsh
4.44598305 65.00% Polish_Mazovia + 35.00% Scottish
4.45563530 32.00% German_Northwest + 68.00% Polish_Silesia
4.46561970 68.80% Polish + 31.20% Welsh
4.46730786 56.60% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl + 43.40% Scottish
4.47702590 31.20% Norwegian + 68.80% Polish_Silesia

Target: Robert
Distance: 1.3833% / 1.38329920
34.0 Lithuanian_Žemaitija
21.2 Basque_France
19.6 Latvian
9.9 Dargin
8.1 Irish
6.8 Norwegian
0.4 Papuan

Target: Robert
Distance: 1.4524% / 1.45244460 | R4P
56.4 Lithuanian_Žemaitija
20.8 Basque_France
13.3 Irish
9.5 Dargin

Sebbo

03-24-2023, 05:29 PM

It is done. Big thanks to rothaer! :D K13 New Year gift.

German_Saxony,37.14,34.35,13.58,5.86,5.61,0.87,1.0 8,0.06,0.25,0.58,0.30,0.14,0.17
German_Upper_Swabia,41.54,22.90,15.28,6.77,10.64,0 .68,0.72,0.27,0.41,0.34,0.39,0.00,0.05
German_Saxony-Anhalt_south,41.19,31.63,11.12,5.16,7.34,1.02,0.62 ,0.25,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.20,0.12
German_West_Mecklenburg,45.13,33.44,9.22,6.21,3.28 ,0.16,0.49,0.62,0.34,0.34,0.33,0.43,0.00
German_North_Hesse,43.69,22.35,14.83,4.48,10.49,1. 78,0,0.69,0,0.86,0.22,0,0.6
German_Central_Hesse,41.92,26.21,14.96,8.9,5.73,0. 87,0,0.9,0,0,0.45,0.05,0
German_South_Hesse,41.78,21.94,17.52,5.66,8.80,1.5 0,0.66,0.33,0.41,0.56,0.46,0.11,0.27
German_Lower_Franconia,41.02,24.79,15.76,6.57,8.84 ,0.72,0.67,0.15,0.00,0.82,0.04,0.53,0.08
German_North_Bohemia,38.27,31.61,13.93,5.63,7.42,0 .38,0.90,0.53,0.10,0.41,0.50,0.00,0.31
German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony,39.15,31.43,12.59,6.21 ,7.42,1.47,0.00,0.03,0.15,0.02,0.00,1.12,0.39
German_Saarland,43.97,19.91,19.32,7.13,6.82,0.88,1 .54,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,0.26,0.00
German_Bavaria_proper,40.02,23.94,15.40,7.03,10.46 ,1.26,0.35,0.29,0.25,0.58,0.36,0.04,0.00
German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37 ,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46
German_North_Rhine,43.32,22.19,15.70,7.63,8.21,0.7 1,0.91,0.15,0.26,0.14,0.38,0.26,0.15
German_North_Baden,41.05,22.09,17.19,6.37,10.17,0. 35,0.68,0.38,0.58,0.17,0.53,0.28,0.16
German_East_Prussia_Memelland,29.91,52.02,10.63,3. 88,0,0,1.83,0,0.81,0.58,0,0,0.34
German_East_Prussia_Masuria,33.26,44.37,9.00,4.57, 3.12,0.15,2.31,0.47,0.75,0.74,0.61,0.00,0.68
German_Hither_Pomerania,44.4,31.31,9.62,7.56,4.12, 0.7,0.43,0.31,0.88,0.2,0,0.48,0
German_Farther_Pomerania,39.85,37.28,9.79,5.50,2.7 7,1.10,1.82,0.00,0.07,0.45,0.35,1.02,0.04
Upper_Silesia,33.01,43.21,9.27,6.4,5.21,0.26,0.67, 0,1.04,0.31,0.58,0,0.06
German_County_Glatz,35.77,31.04,14.63,8.13,7.64,0. 3,0,1.02,0,0.72,0,0.72,0
Austrian_Upper_Austria,41.93,23.93,16.96,8.73,6.52 ,1.43,0,0.22,0,0,0.16,0.1,0
German_Lower_Saxony_north,50.86,28.10,10.10,5.94,2 .03,0.00,1.50,0.78,0.00,0.18,0.48,0.03,0.00
German_Lower_Saxony_south,48.89,25.02,11.37,6.26,4 .56,0.58,1.97,0.00,0.24,0.31,0.05,0.16,0.58
German_Westphalia,49.31,25.15,11.25,7.18,3.97,0.69 ,0.72,0.18,0.07,0.79,0.10,0.10,0.50
German_West_Prussia,35.60,39.30,11.20,6.60,4.18,0. 25,0.89,0.00,0.68,0.34,0.47,0.00,0.48
German_Rhineland-Palatinate,42.42,21.25,16.46,7.21,8.90,1.51,0.02,0 .20,1.11,0.20,0.23,0.33,0.16
Austrian_Lower_Austria,35.32,24.04,19.78,9.1,9.12, 0.4,1.02,0,0,0.32,0.89,0,0
German_Hamburg,50.83,28.92,8.41,3.93,4.04,1.33,1.3 2,0,0.62,0.15,0,0.45,0
German_Frisian,55.45,25.92,9.33,2.93,1.79,1.02,2.2 2,0,0.33,0,1,0,0
German_Schleswig-Holstein,49.59,28.21,13.33,5.42,0,1.79,0,1.19,0,0, 0,0,0.47
German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow),26.92,44.46,14 .49,5.95,6.25,0,0,0.72,0,0.17,0.74,0,0.3
Austrian_Carinthia,34.35,34.42,13.15,3.82,10.84,1. 04,1.43,0,0.39,0,0.11,0.1,0

Great work! Please can you confirm how many kits / samples there are for each regional average ? :D

setay

04-04-2023, 07:58 AM

My Dutch results (Half Limburg/Half Zeeland):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.86
2 Baltic 24.25
3 West_Med 13.63
4 East_Med 9.6
5 West_Asian 6.69
6 Northeast_African 1.26
7 South_Asian 1.23
8 Red_Sea 0.47
9 Amerindian 0.02

NdvBal

10-20-2023, 03:46 PM

Germans from Westphalia with a gedcom family tree

Person #1

Eurogenes K13:

Kit LW8795703

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.92
2 Baltic 28.2
3 West_Med 10.06
4 West_Asian 5.82
5 East_Med 5.23
6 Amerindian 1.36
7 South_Asian 0.92
8 Sub-Saharan 0.68
9 Northeast_African 0.59
10 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 2.27
2 Danish 3.75
3 North_Dutch 4.28
4 Swedish 4.76
5 Norwegian 4.96
6 Orcadian 6.3
7 Southeast_English 6.67
8 Irish 7.18
9 West_Scottish 7.95
10 West_German 8.11
11 South_Dutch 8.18
12 Southwest_English 8.83
13 North_Swedish 9.59
14 East_German 10.1
15 Austrian 10.14
16 Hungarian 14.04
17 French 14.33
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.11
19 South_Polish 18.83
20 Croatian 19.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% Danish + 19% Hungarian @ 1.84
2 85.7% Danish + 14.3% Croatian @ 1.94
3 85.6% Norwegian + 14.4% Bulgarian @ 2.01
4 84.2% Norwegian + 15.8% Romanian @ 2.04
5 99.2% North_German + 0.8% Karitiana @ 2.05
6 99.2% North_German + 0.8% Pima @ 2.06
7 99.1% North_German + 0.9% Mayan @ 2.06
8 87.2% Danish + 12.8% Moldavian @ 2.07
9 94.9% North_German + 5.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.08
10 81.9% Norwegian + 18.1% Serbian @ 2.08
11 96.5% North_German + 3.5% Estonian @ 2.1
12 99.1% North_German + 0.9% North_Amerindian @ 2.1
13 91.7% North_German + 8.3% North_Swedish @ 2.1
14 85.8% Danish + 14.2% South_Polish @ 2.11
15 88.9% Danish + 11.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.11
16 96.7% North_German + 3.3% Belorussian @ 2.11
17 96.4% North_German + 3.6% Finnish @ 2.11
18 96.8% North_German + 3.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.12
19 97.2% North_German + 2.8% Lithuanian @ 2.12
20 87.5% Danish + 12.5% Ukrainian @ 2.13

Vahaduo distances (Upated spreadsheet):

LW8795703,46.92,28.2,10.06,5.82,5.23,0,0.92,0,0,1. 36,0.22,0.59,0.68

Distance to: LW8795703
3.96775755 German_Lower_Saxony_South
4.25309299 German_Westphalia
4.43682319 German_Lower_Saxony_North
4.51995575 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.96329528 Dutch_Gelderland
5.01390068 Dutch_Friesland
5.07831665 Danish
5.12529999 Dutch_South-Holland
5.27494076 German_Hamburg
5.36661905 Swedish_Götaland
5.47479680 Norwegian_Southcentral
5.51264909 Dutch_Overijssel
5.59009839 Swedish_West-Svealand
5.60270470 Dutch_North-Holland
5.77881259 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.01701753 Icelandic
6.12967373 German_Mecklenburg_West
6.19512712 Scottish_Shetland
6.35051966 English_Northeast
6.46047212 English_East-Midlands
6.48760356 English_East
6.52029907 English_Southeast
6.64069273 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.71526619 English_West-Midlands
6.73873875 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 12.01 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.14 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.15 Pct
Fennoscandian 11.35 Pct
French 7.2 Pct
Iberian 11.61 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.69 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.19 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.05 Pct
North_Sea 20.19 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.68 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.44 Pct
West_Med 0.27 Pct

Person #2

Eurogenes K13:

Kit ER2382289

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.58
2 Baltic 25.97
3 West_Med 10.81
4 West_Asian 5.21
5 East_Med 3.18
6 Amerindian 2.1
7 Northeast_African 1.56
8 Red_Sea 0.36
9 South_Asian 0.16
10 Sub-Saharan 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.66
2 Danish 3.01
3 Orcadian 3.5
4 Norwegian 3.64
5 Irish 3.89
6 West_Scottish 4.48
7 North_German 4.59
8 Southeast_English 4.87
9 Swedish 5.93
10 Southwest_English 6.06
11 South_Dutch 8.99
12 West_German 9.65
13 North_Swedish 12.02
14 Austrian 13.75
15 East_German 13.78
16 French 14.7
17 Hungarian 17.97
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.04
19 Spanish_Cataluna 21.95
20 South_Polish 22.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% Karitiana @ 1.99
2 98.4% North_Dutch + 1.6% Mayan @ 2.02
3 98.5% North_Dutch + 1.5% Pima @ 2.03
4 98.4% North_Dutch + 1.6% North_Amerindian @ 2.13
5 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 2.33
6 98.7% North_Dutch + 1.3% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2.34
7 98.7% North_Dutch + 1.3% Hadza @ 2.4
8 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 2.4
9 98.8% North_Dutch + 1.2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.41
10 98.6% Danish + 1.4% Karitiana @ 2.42
11 98.7% North_Dutch + 1.3% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 2.43
12 98.8% North_Dutch + 1.2% Sudanese @ 2.44
13 98.7% North_Dutch + 1.3% Somali @ 2.44
14 98.7% North_Dutch + 1.3% East_Greenlander @ 2.44
15 98.4% Danish + 1.6% Mayan @ 2.44
16 98.8% North_Dutch + 1.2% Maasai @ 2.45
17 98.6% North_Dutch + 1.4% West_Greenlander @ 2.46
18 98.5% Danish + 1.5% Pima @ 2.47
19 90.1% Norwegian + 9.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.47
20 98.8% North_Dutch + 1.2% Sandawe @ 2.47

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

ER2382289,50.58,25.97,10.81,5.21,3.18,0.36,0.16,0, 0,2.1,0,1.56,0.08

Distance to: ER2382289
2.54562370 Dutch_Overijssel
2.57213919 Dutch_Friesland
2.86026223 German_Schleswig-Holstein
2.93782232 Dutch_North-Holland
3.09761198 Icelandic
3.14186250 Scottish_Shetland
3.46752073 German_Westphalia
3.57837952 Scottish_Orkney
3.57885457 Dutch_Gelderland
3.72639236 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.78782259 Danish
3.89115664 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.93189522 English_Yorkshire
3.93563210 Dutch_South-Holland
3.95140481 English_Northeast
3.95881295 English_Lancashire
3.97026447 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
4.09310396 Scottish_Northeast
4.21695388 Norwegian_Southcentral
4.36839788 Scottish_East
4.37682533 Scottish_Southwest
4.42482768 Swedish_Götaland
4.58016375 English_West-Midlands
4.62209909 Scottish_North-Highlands
4.75124194 Welsh_South

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 0.35 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.94 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.74 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.67 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.77 Pct
Fennoscandian 12.19 Pct
French 10.04 Pct
Iberian 9.85 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 5.48 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.54 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.24 Pct
North_Sea 20.65 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.41 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.0 Pct

Person #3

Eurogenes K13:

Kit ST1552161

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.55
2 Baltic 23.21
3 West_Med 13.92
4 East_Med 5.59
5 West_Asian 5.22
6 South_Asian 2.17
7 Oceanian 0.7
8 Siberian 0.4
9 Sub-Saharan 0.14
10 Red_Sea 0.08
11 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.27
2 Orcadian 4.23
3 Southwest_English 4.4
4 South_Dutch 4.67
5 Danish 4.96
6 North_Dutch 5.02
7 Irish 5.41
8 North_German 5.6
9 West_Scottish 5.63
10 West_German 5.81
11 Norwegian 7.51
12 Swedish 9.09
13 French 10.11
14 Austrian 12
15 East_German 12.69
16 North_Swedish 14.48
17 Hungarian 16.67
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.3
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.63
20 Southwest_French 18.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.6% Danish + 19.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.15
2 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Pathan @ 1.15
3 78.2% Danish + 21.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.17
4 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Afghan_Tadjik @ 1.19
5 96.5% Southeast_English + 3.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.2
6 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Burusho @ 1.21
7 82.2% Danish + 17.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.22
8 96.2% Southeast_English + 3.8% Tadjik @ 1.24
9 97.2% Southeast_English + 2.8% Sindhi @ 1.24
10 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 1.25
11 81.5% Danish + 18.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.26
12 97% Southeast_English + 3% Kalash @ 1.26
13 97.2% Southeast_English + 2.8% Makrani @ 1.27
14 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Turkmen @ 1.29
15 97.4% Southeast_English + 2.6% Gujarati @ 1.29
16 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Iranian @ 1.31
17 97.4% Southeast_English + 2.6% Kshatriya @ 1.32
18 97.3% Southeast_English + 2.7% Brahui @ 1.33
19 97.3% Southeast_English + 2.7% Balochi @ 1.34
20 97.4% Southeast_English + 2.6% Bangladeshi @ 1.34

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

to: ST1552161
1.73706649 English_East
2.17680959 English_Southeast
2.21628067 English_East-Midlands
2.37613131 English_West-Midlands
2.42676740 Dutch_North-Brabant
2.98979932 Dutch_South-Holland
3.08129843 English_Southwest
3.38276514 English_Northeast
3.42410572 French_Brittany
3.43738273 Cornish
3.65254706 English_Lancashire
3.68570210 Flemish
3.92077798 English_Yorkshire
3.97365071 Dutch_Gelderland
4.48118288 Scottish_East
4.51175132 German_Lower_Saxony_South
4.52066367 Welsh_South
4.71620610 German_Westphalia
4.71772191 Scottish_North-Highlands
4.74937891 Scottish_Northeast
4.80092699 Scottish_Orkney
4.80916833 French_Normandy
4.81969916 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
4.86163553 Dutch_Limburg
4.92669260 Dutch_North-Holland

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.18 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.96 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.22 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 2.28 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.16 Pct
Fennoscandian 12.21 Pct
French 10.37 Pct
Iberian 5.47 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.1 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 16.78 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 20.06 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.58 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.73 Pct
West_Med 2.89 Pct

NdvBal

10-23-2023, 01:44 AM

Schleswig Holstein:

Kit GV4808340

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.4
2 Baltic 29.15
3 West_Med 8.43
4 West_Asian 5.91
5 East_Med 3.39
6 Siberian 1.22
7 Amerindian 0.42
8 Red_Sea 0.05
9 Sub-Saharan 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 2.29
2 Danish 3.71
3 North_Dutch 3.83
4 Swedish 3.91
5 North_German 4.94
6 Orcadian 5.9
7 Irish 6.37
8 West_Scottish 6.77
9 Southeast_English 7.71
10 Southwest_English 8.95
11 North_Swedish 9.61
12 South_Dutch 11.43
13 West_German 11.93
14 East_German 14.03
15 Austrian 14.31
16 French 17.59
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.84
18 Hungarian 18.14
19 South_Polish 21.6
20 Croatian 23.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.1% Norwegian + 0.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.22
2 97.8% Norwegian + 2.2% Finnish @ 2.23
3 94.8% Norwegian + 5.2% North_Swedish @ 2.23
4 99.3% Norwegian + 0.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.24
5 97.4% Norwegian + 2.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.24
6 98.3% Norwegian + 1.7% East_Finnish @ 2.24
7 99.3% Norwegian + 0.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.24
8 99% Norwegian + 1% Mari @ 2.25
9 98.9% Norwegian + 1.1% Chuvash @ 2.25
10 98.4% Norwegian + 1.6% Belorussian @ 2.25
11 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.25
12 98.5% Norwegian + 1.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.25
13 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Assyrian @ 2.25
14 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Palestinian @ 2.25
15 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.25
16 99.2% Norwegian + 0.8% Lezgin @ 2.26
17 99.5% Norwegian + 0.5% Selkup @ 2.26
18 98.6% Norwegian + 1.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.26
19 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Iranian @ 2.26
20 99.4% Norwegian + 0.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.26

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

GV4808340,51.4,29.15,8.43,5.91,3.39,0.05,0,0,1.22, 0.42,0,0,0

Distance to: GV4808340
2.69011152 Norwegian_Southcentral
2.89264585 Danish
2.90022413 Swedish_Götaland
2.95589242 German_Hamburg
3.64138710 Dutch_Friesland
3.71597901 Swedish_West-Svealand
3.82251226 Icelandic
3.94331079 German_Lower_Saxony_North
4.45035954 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.78041839 Dutch_Overijssel
5.50488874 Dutch_North-Holland
5.51392782 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.56211291 Scottish_Shetland
5.56827621 German_Westphalia
6.25411864 Dutch_Gelderland
6.58993171 Scottish_Orkney
6.62632628 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
6.85008029 German_Frisian
7.04567953 Dutch_South-Holland
7.28962962 Scottish_Northeast
7.30162996 English_Northeast
7.35836938 English_Yorkshire
7.44890596 Scottish_Southwest
7.48224565 English_Lancashire
7.58388423 Swedish_East-Svealand

NdvBal

10-23-2023, 02:31 PM

Two Germans with unspecified ancestry, their results remind me of some Frisians, i left the kit numbers visible in case anyone wants to contact them

Person #1:

Eurogenes K13:

Kit ZE1837054

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.12
2 Baltic 25.35
3 West_Med 8.86
4 East_Med 3.68
5 West_Asian 3.45
6 Amerindian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 1.17
8 South_Asian 1.04
9 Northeast_African 0.82

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 4.63
2 North_Dutch 4.72
3 Danish 4.79
4 Orcadian 4.96
5 Norwegian 4.97
6 Irish 5.03
7 Southeast_English 6.33
8 Southwest_English 7.02
9 North_German 7.32
10 Swedish 7.72
11 South_Dutch 11.54
12 West_German 12.4
13 North_Swedish 13.54
14 French 16.72
15 Austrian 16.93
16 East_German 16.98
17 Hungarian 21.06
18 Southwest_Finnish 21.83
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.72
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 24.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.4% West_Scottish + 44.6% Norwegian @ 3.93
2 53.4% West_Scottish + 46.6% Danish @ 4.07
3 76.5% West_Scottish + 23.5% Swedish @ 4.18
4 93.1% West_Scottish + 6.9% La_Brana-1 @ 4.18
5 86.6% West_Scottish + 13.4% North_Swedish @ 4.18
6 52.6% West_Scottish + 47.4% North_Dutch @ 4.21
7 92.6% West_Scottish + 7.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.31
8 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Finnish @ 4.33
9 51.1% Norwegian + 48.9% Irish @ 4.36
10 95.1% West_Scottish + 4.9% Estonian @ 4.38
11 50.3% Orcadian + 49.7% Norwegian @ 4.4
12 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% East_Finnish @ 4.4
13 66.4% Norwegian + 33.6% Southeast_English @ 4.41
14 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Belorussian @ 4.42
15 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Lithuanian @ 4.43
16 70.9% Norwegian + 29.1% Southwest_English @ 4.44
17 56.6% Danish + 43.4% Irish @ 4.44
18 82.2% West_Scottish + 17.8% North_German @ 4.46
19 96.2% West_Scottish + 3.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.47
20 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.5

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

ZE1837054,54.12,25.35,8.86,3.45,3.68,1.17,1.04,0,0 ,1.51,0,0.82,0

Distance to: ZE1837054
3.41079170 German_Frisian
4.20515160 Dutch_Overijssel
4.58013100 Dutch_Friesland
4.89296434 Dutch_North-Holland
5.15813920 German_Hamburg
5.17110240 Icelandic
5.48030109 Scottish_Orkney
5.54892782 German_Schleswig-Holstein
5.62545998 Norwegian_Southcentral
5.67479515 Danish
5.80056032 Dutch_Gelderland
5.97298083 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
6.00623842 Scottish_Southwest
6.00635497 Irish_Munster
6.01021630 English_Lancashire
6.02961027 Irish_Connacht
6.03336556 English_Yorkshire
6.04269807 Swedish_Götaland
6.07432301 Scottish_Shetland
6.19846755 Scottish_Northeast
6.35344001 Scottish_East
6.53029861 Irish_Leinster
6.58273499 Welsh_North
6.58883146 Scottish_North-Highlands
6.67928140 German_Lower_Saxony_North

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 0.16 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.92 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 13.5 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.4 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.87 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.83 Pct
Fennoscandian 14 Pct
French 8.54 Pct
Iberian 11.84 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 4.35 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 13.16 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 24.07 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.14 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.23 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Person #2

Eurogenes K13:

Kit H506002

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.45
2 Baltic 25.95
3 West_Med 10.82
4 East_Med 4.12
5 Red_Sea 2.77
6 West_Asian 1.36
7 Siberian 0.72
8 Amerindian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.63
10 Northeast_African 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 4.81
2 Orcadian 4.87
3 Danish 5.29
4 West_Scottish 5.42
5 Norwegian 5.54
6 Southeast_English 5.68
7 Irish 5.81
8 Southwest_English 6.48
9 North_German 7.26
10 Swedish 7.5
11 South_Dutch 10.21
12 West_German 11.32
13 North_Swedish 12.66
14 French 15.16
15 Austrian 15.46
16 East_German 15.49
17 Hungarian 19.72
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.71
19 Spanish_Cataluna 22.12
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.6% Norwegian + 48.4% Southeast_English @ 4.45
2 79.6% West_Scottish + 20.4% North_Swedish @ 4.49
3 87.4% West_Scottish + 12.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.57
4 59.5% Norwegian + 40.5% Southwest_English @ 4.59
5 90.1% West_Scottish + 9.9% La_Brana-1 @ 4.6
6 89% Norwegian + 11% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.61
7 66.5% Orcadian + 33.5% Norwegian @ 4.62
8 53.3% North_Dutch + 46.7% Orcadian @ 4.62
9 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% North_Swedish @ 4.62
10 94.6% Orcadian + 5.4% La_Brana-1 @ 4.64
11 68.7% North_Dutch + 31.3% West_Scottish @ 4.64
12 88.2% Norwegian + 11.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.65
13 72.8% North_Dutch + 27.2% Southeast_English @ 4.66
14 90.4% West_Scottish + 9.6% Finnish @ 4.66
15 72.4% Southwest_English + 27.6% North_Swedish @ 4.68
16 81.4% Orcadian + 18.6% Swedish @ 4.68
17 80.3% North_Dutch + 19.7% Southwest_English @ 4.69
18 89.1% Norwegian + 10.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.69
19 91.5% West_Scottish + 8.5% Belorussian @ 4.71
20 64.8% Southeast_English + 35.2% Swedish @ 4.71

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

H506002,52.45,25.95,10.82,1.36,4.12,2.77,0,0,0.72, 0.64,0.63,0.41,0.13

Distance to: H506002
3.92200204 Dutch_Overijssel
4.72859387 German_Schleswig-Holstein
5.05389948 Dutch_North-Holland
5.13505599 Dutch_Friesland
5.29049147 German_Frisian
5.32411495 German_Hamburg
5.48309219 Scottish_Orkney
5.49049178 Dutch_Gelderland
5.76712233 English_Lancashire
5.91705163 Danish
5.95068063 Norwegian_Southcentral
6.01284458 English_Yorkshire
6.11424566 Swedish_Götaland
6.19374685 Icelandic
6.39777305 Dutch_South-Holland
6.47915890 English_Northeast
6.51419987 Scottish_Northeast
6.77480627 English_West-Midlands
6.77676914 Scottish_Shetland
6.86388374 Scottish_Southwest
6.88624716 Scottish_East
6.89283686 Welsh_North
6.95584646 Cornish
7.02439321 Scottish_North-Highlands
7.03079654 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.1 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 11.15 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.14 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.22 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 7.16 Pct
Fennoscandian 12.29 Pct
French 10.45 Pct
Iberian 16.65 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 4.65 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.6 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 19.72 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.86 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

NdvBal

11-02-2023, 03:58 PM

German American (?) with ancesttry from Northern Germany (the kit has a gedcom)

Eurogenes K13:

Kit CP3221848

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.69
2 Baltic 24.81
3 West_Med 11.45
4 West_Asian 3.85
5 East_Med 2.71
6 Northeast_African 1.4
7 South_Asian 0.92
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.23
10 Red_Sea 0.22
11 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.83
2 Orcadian 3.12
3 Irish 3.28
4 North_Dutch 3.97
5 Danish 4.32
6 Southeast_English 4.61
7 Southwest_English 4.71
8 Norwegian 4.91
9 North_German 7.05
10 Swedish 7.8
11 South_Dutch 10.3
12 West_German 11.41
13 North_Swedish 13.99
14 French 15.45
15 Austrian 16.33
16 East_German 16.37
17 Hungarian 20.81
18 Spanish_Cataluna 22.16
19 Southwest_Finnish 22.23
20 Southwest_French 23.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.6% West_Scottish + 23.4% Norwegian @ 2.52
2 73.7% West_Scottish + 26.3% Danish @ 2.54
3 86.7% West_Scottish + 13.3% Swedish @ 2.59
4 92.4% West_Scottish + 7.6% North_Swedish @ 2.6
5 73.6% West_Scottish + 26.4% North_Dutch @ 2.62
6 96.3% West_Scottish + 3.7% La_Brana-1 @ 2.62
7 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.63
8 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% Finnish @ 2.66
9 96.8% West_Scottish + 3.2% Estonian @ 2.66
10 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Lithuanian @ 2.68
11 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Belorussian @ 2.68
12 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% East_Finnish @ 2.7
13 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.71
14 99.2% West_Scottish + 0.8% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 2.73
15 99.2% West_Scottish + 0.8% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2.73
16 67% West_Scottish + 33% Orcadian @ 2.73
17 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Polish @ 2.74
18 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.74
19 98% West_Scottish + 2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.75
20 99.2% West_Scottish + 0.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 2.76

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

CP3221848,53.69,24.81,11.45,3.85,2.71,0.22,0.92,0, 0.05,0.66,0.23,1.4,0

Distance to: CP3221848
3.37872757 Scottish_Orkney
3.65105464 Dutch_Overijssel
3.96516078 Scottish_Northeast
3.98529798 Scottish_Southwest
3.98921045 German_Frisian
4.00746803 Irish_Munster
4.02233763 English_Lancashire
4.02494720 English_Yorkshire
4.07844333 Welsh_North
4.12173507 Irish_Connacht
4.17487724 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
4.19079945 Dutch_North-Holland
4.29856953 Dutch_Friesland
4.32424560 Scottish_East
4.35893336 Irish_Leinster
4.46097523 Scottish_Shetland
4.48261085 Scottish_North-Highlands
4.55653377 Icelandic
4.70792948 Irish_Ulster
4.75906503 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.87508974 British_Ulster
5.05236578 English_Northeast
5.14696998 Welsh_South
5.24552190 Cornish
5.35770473 Dutch_Gelderland

NdvBal

11-02-2023, 04:02 PM

Northern German with ancestry from Westphalia and Lower Saxony

Kit A455893

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.18
2 Baltic 27.25
3 West_Med 11.13
4 West_Asian 8.13
5 East_Med 3.16
6 Siberian 1.31
7 Amerindian 0.63
8 Northeast_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 2.65
2 North_Dutch 3.3
3 Danish 3.47
4 Norwegian 4.08
5 Orcadian 4.97
6 Swedish 5.05
7 Irish 5.48
8 Southeast_English 6.25
9 West_Scottish 6.4
10 Southwest_English 7.51
11 South_Dutch 8.15
12 West_German 8.57
13 North_Swedish 10.65
14 Austrian 11.37
15 East_German 11.47
16 French 14.48
17 Hungarian 15.6
18 Southwest_Finnish 18.34
19 South_Polish 20.3
20 Croatian 20.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Norwegian + 5.7% Abhkasian @ 1.6
2 94.1% Norwegian + 5.9% Georgian @ 1.62
3 93.2% Norwegian + 6.8% Balkar @ 1.62
4 93.5% Norwegian + 6.5% Ossetian @ 1.69
5 93.4% Norwegian + 6.6% Adygei @ 1.7
6 93.1% Norwegian + 6.9% Kabardin @ 1.71
7 94.2% Norwegian + 5.8% Armenian @ 1.72
8 93.5% Norwegian + 6.5% North_Ossetian @ 1.73
9 93.1% Norwegian + 6.9% Kumyk @ 1.78
10 93.3% Norwegian + 6.7% Turkish @ 1.78
11 94.3% Norwegian + 5.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.89
12 94.1% Norwegian + 5.9% Kurdish @ 1.94
13 93.7% Norwegian + 6.3% Azeri @ 1.96
14 93.2% Norwegian + 6.8% Chechen @ 1.99
15 94.4% Norwegian + 5.6% Assyrian @ 1.99
16 92.3% North_Dutch + 7.7% Tatar @ 2.07
17 92% Norwegian + 8% Central_Greek @ 2.09
18 93.4% Norwegian + 6.6% Lezgin @ 2.09
19 95.2% North_Dutch + 4.8% Kabardin @ 2.1
20 94.3% Norwegian + 5.7% Iranian @ 2.11

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

A455893,48.18,27.25,11.13,8.13,3.16,0,0,0,1.31,0.6 3,0,0.23,0

Distance to: A455893
2.79996429 German_Westphalia
2.81650493 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.45467799 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.98592524 Scottish_Shetland
4.19896416 Icelandic
4.23020094 Dutch_Friesland
4.50975609 Dutch_South-Holland
4.57232982 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.68441032 Danish
4.84469813 Dutch_North-Holland
4.94444132 English_Northeast
5.02677829 Dutch_Gelderland
5.17000000 Dutch_Overijssel
5.17704549 Swedish_Götaland
5.21515100 Norwegian_Southcentral
5.31314408 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
5.54444767 English_Southeast
5.59804430 English_East-Midlands
5.62451776 Welsh_South
5.66620684 Scottish_Orkney
5.69171327 English_West-Midlands
5.73377711 Scottish_Northeast
5.80858847 English_Yorkshire
5.88166643 Scottish_East
5.91329012 British_Ulster

NdvBal

11-02-2023, 04:08 PM

A German from Westphalia:

Kit AH3515451

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.71
2 Baltic 26.89
3 West_Med 9.49
4 East_Med 6.41
5 West_Asian 3.27
6 South_Asian 1.57
7 Red_Sea 1.01
8 Oceanian 0.55
9 East_Asian 0.49
10 Amerindian 0.39
11 Northeast_African 0.15
12 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 3.45
2 North_Dutch 4.05
3 North_German 4.53
4 Norwegian 5.14
5 Orcadian 5.51
6 Southeast_English 5.55
7 Swedish 6.2
8 Irish 6.65
9 West_Scottish 6.79
10 Southwest_English 7.76
11 South_Dutch 8.75
12 West_German 9.19
13 North_Swedish 11.11
14 Austrian 12.69
15 East_German 12.84
16 French 14.35
17 Hungarian 16.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.02
19 South_Polish 21.55
20 Spanish_Cataluna 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Danish + 2.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.94
2 97.7% Danish + 2.3% Saudi @ 3.09
3 97.7% Danish + 2.3% Egyptian @ 3.17
4 97% Danish + 3% Ashkenazi @ 3.19
5 97.9% Danish + 2.1% Palestinian @ 3.21
6 97.4% Danish + 2.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.21
7 97.6% Danish + 2.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.22
8 97.6% Danish + 2.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.22
9 97.7% Danish + 2.3% Tunisian @ 3.22
10 98% Danish + 2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.23
11 98% Danish + 2% Bedouin @ 3.24
12 97.7% Danish + 2.3% Algerian @ 3.24
13 97.6% Danish + 2.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.24
14 98.1% Danish + 1.9% Samaritan @ 3.25
15 97.6% Danish + 2.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.25
16 98.2% Danish + 1.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.26
17 98.1% Danish + 1.9% Jordanian @ 3.27
18 98% Danish + 2% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.28
19 98% Danish + 2% Moroccan @ 3.29
20 97.5% Danish + 2.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.31

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

AH3515451,49.71,26.89,9.49,3.27,6.41,1.01,1.57,0.4 9,0.07,0.39,0.55,0.15,0

Distance to: AH3515451
3.70834195 German_Hamburg
3.85861374 Dutch_Gelderland
3.98984962 Dutch_Overijssel
4.10143877 German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.36884424 Dutch_Friesland
4.59885855 Dutch_North-Holland
5.07741076 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.18982659 Danish
5.29519594 Dutch_South-Holland
5.32263093 German_Westphalia
5.41015711 Norwegian_Southcentral
5.48975409 German_Lower_Saxony_North
5.49188492 Swedish_Götaland
6.09083738 Icelandic
6.16061685 Swedish_West-Svealand
6.16380564 English_Lancashire
6.24643098 English_Northeast
6.24861585 English_East
6.25067196 Scottish_Orkney
6.29003975 English_West-Midlands
6.38924878 English_Southeast
6.38942094 English_Yorkshire
6.40067965 English_East-Midlands
6.54661745 Scottish_Shetland
7.07935025 Scottish_Northeast

NdvBal

11-02-2023, 04:16 PM

This person's ancestry is from Saarland and Mossele, Lorraine, France:

Eurogenes K13

Kit DV8461121

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.4
2 Baltic 24.06
3 West_Med 15.84
4 West_Asian 9.29
5 East_Med 8.53
6 South_Asian 1.14
7 Red_Sea 1.13
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Amerindian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.33
2 South_Dutch 5.74
3 Austrian 5.92
4 East_German 8.2
5 French 8.45
6 North_German 9.8
7 Hungarian 9.87
8 Southeast_English 11.1
9 Danish 11.95
10 North_Dutch 12.03
11 Orcadian 12.56
12 Southwest_English 12.71
13 Serbian 12.73
14 Irish 13.33
15 Swedish 13.74
16 Norwegian 13.95
17 West_Scottish 14.07
18 Croatian 15.16
19 Spanish_Cataluna 15.51
20 Romanian 15.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% Irish + 41.8% Bulgarian @ 1.59
2 53.9% Irish + 46.1% Romanian @ 1.67
3 56.9% West_Scottish + 43.1% Bulgarian @ 1.9
4 52.6% West_Scottish + 47.4% Romanian @ 1.92
5 55.2% Southwest_English + 44.8% Romanian @ 1.92
6 59.5% Southwest_English + 40.5% Bulgarian @ 2.16
7 80.6% West_German + 19.4% Moldavian @ 2.2
8 59.8% Orcadian + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 2.21
9 55.5% Orcadian + 44.5% Romanian @ 2.25
10 50% Southwest_English + 50% Serbian @ 2.26
11 77.7% West_German + 22.3% Serbian @ 2.45
12 75% South_Dutch + 25% Moldavian @ 2.51
13 70.8% South_Dutch + 29.2% Serbian @ 2.55
14 58.7% Southeast_English + 41.3% Romanian @ 2.56
15 81.5% West_German + 18.5% Romanian @ 2.57
16 81.1% West_German + 18.9% Croatian @ 2.58
17 51.2% Serbian + 48.8% Irish @ 2.6
18 84.3% West_German + 15.7% Bulgarian @ 2.66
19 75.1% South_Dutch + 24.9% Romanian @ 2.66
20 52.6% Serbian + 47.4% West_Scottish @ 2.68

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

DV8461121,39.4,24.06,15.84,9.29,8.53,1.13,1.14,0,0 ,0.23,0.39,0,0

Distance to: DV8461121
3.21519828 German_Bavaria_Proper
3.31912263 Austrian_Lower_Austria
3.70902952 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
3.80642877 French_Alsace
3.97528615 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.99061399 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
4.27415489 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
4.40069313 Swiss_German
4.41054418 German_West_Bohemia
4.79523722 Swiss_German_North
4.83695152 German_North_Rhine
4.89889784 German_North_Moravia
5.20327781 German_South_Hesse
5.95251207 Austrian_Tyrol
6.13802900 Swiss_French
6.30984944 Austrian_Burgenland
6.36034590 French_Northeast
7.05367989 Dutch_Limburg
7.15578787 German_Saarland
7.22949514 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
7.23256524 German_North_Hesse
7.29747902 German_Bavarian_Swabia
7.60532708 Walloon
7.79223973 French_Hauts-de-France
7.98318859 Flemish

NdvBal

11-02-2023, 04:31 PM

A German from Lower Saxony:

Eurogenes K13:

Kit CL5980367

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.62
2 Baltic 29.18
3 West_Med 15.74
4 West_Asian 6.07
5 East_Med 1.26
6 Northeast_African 1.01
7 Red_Sea 0.94
8 Oceanian 0.54
9 Amerindian 0.42
10 East_Asian 0.14
11 Sub-Saharan 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 6.4
2 Swedish 7.2
3 North_Dutch 7.29
4 Danish 7.64
5 Norwegian 7.94
6 Orcadian 8.04
7 South_Dutch 8.28
8 East_German 8.39
9 Southeast_English 8.44
10 Irish 8.71
11 West_German 8.85
12 Austrian 9.02
13 Southwest_English 9.17
14 West_Scottish 9.7
15 North_Swedish 10.78
16 Hungarian 13.7
17 French 13.71
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.08
19 South_Polish 17.75
20 Croatian 17.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.1% Southwest_English + 30.9% Polish @ 2.86
2 69.6% Southwest_English + 30.4% Ukrainian @ 2.91
3 68.9% Southwest_English + 31.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.93
4 72.8% Southwest_English + 27.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.12
5 67% Southwest_English + 33% South_Polish @ 3.22
6 73.9% Southwest_English + 26.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.27
7 73.5% Southwest_English + 26.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.3
8 73.8% Southwest_English + 26.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.38
9 75.9% Southwest_English + 24.1% Lithuanian @ 3.45
10 77.9% Southwest_English + 22.1% Erzya @ 3.48
11 88.5% Swedish + 11.5% Sardinian @ 3.5
12 75.5% Southwest_English + 24.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.52
13 51.1% East_German + 48.9% Irish @ 3.56
14 73.6% Southwest_English + 26.4% Belorussian @ 3.64
15 70.8% Irish + 29.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.71
16 52.7% East_German + 47.3% Southwest_English @ 3.72
17 71.6% Irish + 28.4% Ukrainian @ 3.75
18 54.4% East_German + 45.6% West_Scottish @ 3.76
19 51.4% Orcadian + 48.6% East_German @ 3.85
20 69.1% Irish + 30.9% Croatian @ 3.87

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

CL5980367,44.62,29.18,15.74,6.07,1.26,0.94,0,0.14, 0,0.42,0.54,1.01,0.08

Distance to: CL5980367
5.96650652 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.19125795 German_Hither_Pomerania
7.27763011 Dutch_South-Holland
7.51306861 German_Westphalia
7.55062911 German_Lower_Saxony_North
7.62581799 German_Lower_Saxony_South
7.63112049 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.70244117 German_Schleswig-Holstein
7.70619232 Dutch_North-Brabant
7.81678323 English_East-Midlands
7.91088491 English_Northeast
8.16124378 German_Mecklenburg_West
8.17576296 German_North_Moravia
8.29095290 English_Southeast
8.29984337 Scottish_Shetland
8.36254746 English_East
8.42959667 Danish
8.55436731 Swedish_West-Svealand
8.59236871 English_West-Midlands
8.60490558 Swedish_Götaland
8.78285830 English_Southwest
8.79100108 German_Saxony
8.83552489 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
8.86183954 Welsh_South
8.90033707 Flemish

NdvBal

11-04-2023, 07:52 PM

A German from Lower Saxony:

Eurogenes K13:

Kit H819297

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.72
2 Baltic 28.33
3 West_Med 10.15
4 West_Asian 5.59
5 East_Med 4.72
6 Amerindian 0.72
7 Red_Sea 0.49
8 Siberian 0.45
9 Sub-Saharan 0.41
10 Oceanian 0.22
11 Northeast_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 2.58
2 Danish 2.79
3 North_Dutch 2.9
4 Norwegian 3.4
5 Swedish 4.02
6 Orcadian 5.24
7 Southeast_English 6.1
8 Irish 6.14
9 West_Scottish 6.79
10 Southwest_English 7.97
11 South_Dutch 8.68
12 West_German 9.01
13 North_Swedish 9.6
14 East_German 11.38
15 Austrian 11.43
16 French 14.87
17 Hungarian 15.51
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.51
19 South_Polish 19.93
20 Croatian 20.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% Norwegian + 6.7% Ashkenazi @ 1.4
2 90.3% Norwegian + 9.7% Bulgarian @ 1.49
3 87.8% Norwegian + 12.2% Serbian @ 1.52
4 89.4% Norwegian + 10.6% Romanian @ 1.53
5 92% Norwegian + 8% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.54
6 95.2% Norwegian + 4.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.55
7 95.4% Norwegian + 4.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.59
8 95.4% Norwegian + 4.6% Samaritan @ 1.6
9 94.3% Norwegian + 5.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.6
10 94.1% Norwegian + 5.9% Italian_Jewish @ 1.61
11 91.5% North_Dutch + 8.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.61
12 94.9% Norwegian + 5.1% Cyprian @ 1.62
13 91.3% North_Dutch + 8.7% Belorussian @ 1.63
14 94.6% Norwegian + 5.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.63
15 93.3% Norwegian + 6.7% East_Sicilian @ 1.65
16 94.6% Norwegian + 5.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.66
17 93.2% Norwegian + 6.8% Central_Greek @ 1.67
18 95.3% Norwegian + 4.7% Palestinian @ 1.67
19 91.7% North_Dutch + 8.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.68
20 91.6% North_Dutch + 8.4% Estonian_Polish @ 1.69

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

H819297,48.72,28.33,10.15,5.59,4.72,0.49,0,0,0.45, 0.72,0.22,0.2,0.41

Distance to: H819297
2.96222889 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.40681670 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.44281861 Dutch_Friesland
3.45220220 Danish
3.49626944 German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.63312538 German_Westphalia
3.75853695 German_Hamburg
3.77978835 Swedish_Götaland
3.84772660 Norwegian_Southcentral
4.00021249 Dutch_Overijssel
4.25965961 Dutch_Gelderland
4.36715010 Swedish_West-Svealand
4.49309470 Dutch_North-Holland
4.49738813 Icelandic
4.62325643 Dutch_South-Holland
5.06148200 Scottish_Shetland
5.59212840 English_Northeast
5.93284923 Scottish_Orkney
6.05655843 English_East-Midlands
6.12608358 English_Southeast
6.15314554 English_West-Midlands
6.18215982 English_Lancashire
6.20951689 English_Yorkshire
6.27713310 English_East
6.45830473 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd

NdvBal

11-04-2023, 07:59 PM

According to the kit's Gedcom this person's family migrated from BW to Saint Petersburg back in the 1770's, it seems that they didn't mix with the locals

Eurogenes K13:

Kit WR5494797

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.73
2 Baltic 25.48
3 West_Med 15.39
4 East_Med 9.46
5 West_Asian 7.23
6 Amerindian 0.74
7 Siberian 0.49
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Northeast_African 0.18
10 East_Asian 0.09
11 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.8
2 South_Dutch 5.22
3 Austrian 5.42
4 East_German 7.4
5 North_German 8.8
6 French 8.89
7 Hungarian 9.51
8 Southeast_English 9.92
9 Danish 10.77
10 North_Dutch 10.88
11 Orcadian 11.47
12 Southwest_English 11.99
13 Swedish 12.4
14 Irish 12.57
15 Norwegian 12.64
16 West_Scottish 13.23
17 Serbian 13.42
18 North_Swedish 15.03
19 Croatian 15.16
20 Spanish_Cataluna 15.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.7% Southeast_English + 42.3% Serbian @ 1.68
2 81.7% West_German + 18.3% Croatian @ 1.77
3 73.6% West_German + 26.4% Hungarian @ 1.8
4 63.1% Orcadian + 36.9% Bulgarian @ 1.81
5 60.4% West_German + 39.6% Austrian @ 1.81
6 59.3% Orcadian + 40.7% Romanian @ 1.94
7 86.1% West_German + 13.9% Ukrainian @ 1.98
8 62.9% Southeast_English + 37.1% Romanian @ 2.01
9 83.3% West_German + 16.7% Moldavian @ 2.03
10 66% South_Dutch + 34% Hungarian @ 2.07
11 84.7% West_German + 15.3% South_Polish @ 2.07
12 85.8% West_German + 14.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.11
13 88.5% West_German + 11.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.13
14 66.7% Southeast_English + 33.3% Bulgarian @ 2.14
15 54% Orcadian + 46% Serbian @ 2.15
16 69.3% West_German + 30.7% East_German @ 2.15
17 88.7% West_German + 11.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.17
18 52.9% Southwest_English + 47.1% Serbian @ 2.18
19 50.4% West_Scottish + 49.6% Serbian @ 2.31
20 89.2% West_German + 10.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.31

Vahaduo distances (Updated spreadsheet):

WR5494797,40.73,25.48,15.39,7.23,9.46,0,0,0.09,0.4 9,0.74,0.2,0.18,0

Distance to: WR5494797
2.21445253 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
2.40713523 German_Bavaria_Proper
2.49262913 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
2.71224999 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
3.32693553 German_West_Bohemia
3.54072027 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.65358728 French_Alsace
3.84920771 German_North_Moravia
4.56546821 Swiss_German
4.77245220 German_North_Rhine
4.89886722 German_South_Hesse
5.01715059 Austrian_Burgenland
5.04296292 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.54087538 Swiss_German_North
5.62771712 German_North_Hesse
5.82882492 Dutch_Limburg
6.27904451 French_Northeast
6.35399874 German_Thuringia_Central
6.52947165 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
6.73317162 German_Saxony
6.74184693 Flemish
6.97124092 Walloon
7.12021769 German_Saarland
7.31603718 Austrian_Tyrol
7.32065571 French_Hauts-de-France