With my genetic results could I claim to be european in your opinion?

[Mortimer]

No matter my look (I dont discuss my look). Some say genetic results are more important then look because some look woggy but are 100% european and some look very european but are not 100% like alnortedelsur he has blue eyes and passes as russian or northamerican but he is not 100% european. So in your opinion is my euro enough to claim european or not enough.

I have alot of results and they are very different. But I post two extremes (least southasian and european with more middle eastern, and no middle eastern and more european and southasian mix.). Thanks.

https://i.postimg.cc/3NvyYvHK/23andme-ACupdated.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sX8KDqv5/Myheritage.jpg

[lonewolfcypriot]

it doesn't and shouldn't matter. your a good person and that's all that matters.

[Borealis]

What do other DNA companeis say

[Mortimer]

What do other DNA companeis say

something inbetween the two extremes thats why i posted the two extremes.

[Borealis]

something inbetween the two extremes thats why i posted the two extremes.

Well lets see so we have all the data to come to a conclusion

[Mortimer]

Well lets see so we have all the data to come to a conclusion

https://i.postimg.cc/bvpBK7tJ/DNALand.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/44jZr3Nx/Living-DNA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5xSBFPW/K15-PCAMortimer.png

https://i.postimg.cc/4y7L6Zr8/Ftdna.jpg

[Borealis]

https://i.postimg.cc/bvpBK7tJ/DNALand.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/44jZr3Nx/Living-DNA.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5xSBFPW/K15-PCAMortimer.png

https://i.postimg.cc/4y7L6Zr8/Ftdna.jpg

Interesting results. So the reason why your Middle Eastern is low in some calcs is because youre higher European than the average gypsy. I would still consider you to be racially mixed but culturally european.

[FinalFlash]

Post your G25 results if you have them.

[Mortimer]

Post your G25 results if you have them.

Im not sure if I have that. But I have this, look through it there is a link to my results. I dont know if that is the same or just similar.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?270516-LOM-Genetics-report&highlight=Mortimer+Genetics+report

[Vojnik]

Pred European. But not full, according to the very genetic results you have posted. I don't see how someone with such high South Asian could be only European. But, you have every right to be in Europe, as a big portion of your ancestry is European. Once you have Children with a full european, your children will then be much more European.

[Peterski]

When you posted your FaceApp Hollywood Filter, it looked like Bollywood Filter to be honest.

[FinalFlash]

Im not sure if I have that. But I have this, look through it there is a link to my results. I dont know if that is the same or just similar.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?270516-LOM-Genetics-report&highlight=Mortimer+Genetics+report

You seem to hover around 70% European with the rest being mostly South Asian components. I'd say you're a borderline case mainly because SA components are quite distant to Europe. If your SA was replaced with Middle eastern only then I would definitely consider you white.

[Mortimer]

When you posted your FaceApp Hollywood Filter, it looked like Bollywood Filter to be honest.

Bollywood is awesome. I watch the movies.

[Vojnik]

Indians are great people Mortimer. Very smart. They just created a ground misile that shot one of their satellites from space. Very cool.

[alnortedelsur]

Is not enough to consider you as racially European as a full European, or as somebody who is +85% Euro, but is enough to claim to be significantly Euro mixed.

[tipirneni]

European with some Indian ancestry

[tipirneni]

You should be proud of Indian ancestry we are a big bunch spread all over the world

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Is this a very common result for turkish people right? I know Mortime is not from Asia Minor.

[Mortimer]

Is this a very common result for turkish people right? I know Mortime is not from Asia Minor.

I dont think so they are much more westasian and much less southasian, they are only 2-5% southasian and they have slightly more east asian.

[Mortimer]

You should be proud of Indian ancestry we are a big bunch spread all over the world

I am. I even make indian friends in real life and I wear kurta (traditional indian clothes). https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282792-I’m-going-to-an-Indian-restaurant&p=5914608&viewfull=1#post5914608

https://i.postimg.cc/q706dLwQ/Kurta2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Jnzysz9k/Kurtablack4.jpg

When I see an indian I greet him with namaste and we bargain for a price. I meet them on markets.

[tipirneni]

I am. I even make indian friends in real life and I wear kurta (traditional indian clothes). https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282792-I’m-going-to-an-Indian-restaurant&p=5914608&viewfull=1#post5914608

https://i.postimg.cc/q706dLwQ/Kurta2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Jnzysz9k/Kurtablack4.jpg

When I see an indian I greet him with namaste and we bargain for a price. I meet them on markets.

Even though small your Indian ancestry shows up big. Indians were & are most dedicated work force in the world whether you are in UK or US or Japan or Gulf, people have high regard for the work

[Mortimer]

Even though small your Indian ancestry shows up big. Indians were & are most dedicated work force in the world whether you are in UK or US or Japan or Gulf, people have high regard for the work

I do have high regard for work. I used to work but now Im ill and disabled. Thats why I dont work anymore. My mum worked 30 years before she went to retirement. She always worked and she is a roma.

[Mortimer]

bump

[Theudelinde]

Yup

[itilvolga]

I wouldn’t count you as one of them but you are predominantly European so you have a right to live in any part of it i think.

[Vojnik]

I wouldn’t count you as one of them but you are predominantly European so you have a right to live in any part of it i think.


No no. Only Serbia and neighbouring Balkan countries. Where his European ancestors are from.

It wouldn't make sense to say he can be in Sweden or Spain for example.

[itilvolga]

No no. Only Serbia and neighbouring Balkan countries. Where his European ancestors are from.

It wouldn't make sense to say he can be in Sweden or Spain for example.

Ok you’re right.

[Mortimer]

No no. Only Serbia and neighbouring Balkan countries. Where his European ancestors are from.

It wouldn't make sense to say he can be in Sweden or Spain for example.

There are many serbs in austria and they still follow their traditions and speak their language most also marry other serbs. But no one minds them. They are not hated.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwX3dAX5xq4

[North Sea]

You do have a lot of Balkan and Euro ancestry and I don't think that should be disregarded. No matter what people say. DNA Land seems to read some of your Balkan as South/Central European.

[Ryuk]

I think you'il be more suited to the Near East than Europe.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

Your autosomal dna looks eastern euro. you are e-v13 right?

[Mortimer]

Your autosomal dna looks eastern euro. you are e-v13 right?

Yes I am

[karakartal]

You are mostly European.

[Matxe92]

To me. You have right of soil. You are european if you ask me.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

Yes I am

your y-dna is african but your autosomal is mostly euro.

[Vojnik]

People in Australia can claim Aboriginality for having 10% indigenous DNA. So i think you are safe with 70%.

[Nazarene]

Yes brother you are European :thumb001:

[Grace O'Malley]

Personally I think people should embrace all their ancestry. All of your ancestors, including the non-Europeans ones, are part of you. If I was mixed I'd claim it proudly. I know you are proud of all of yours.

[Bosniensis]

You are Predominantly European, but they will always call you Serbian Romani because you look like one, some Romani don't look Romani even if they are more non-european shifted than you.

[Matxe92]

Personally I think people should embrace all their ancestry. All of your ancestors, including the non-Europeans ones, are part of you. If I was mixed I'd claim it proudly. I know you are proud of all of yours.
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[Mortimer]

I do embrace all of my ancestry, but you can be proud and embrace all of your ancestry and still identify more with one. Sometimey you have to only one which you feel closest to for example that was the case on 23andMe survey. First you pick only one which you feel closest to and second you state all your ancestry. Thats why Im asking, only for fun and hypothethically if I could.


I am. I even make indian friends in real life and I wear kurta (traditional indian clothes). https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282792-I’m-going-to-an-Indian-restaurant&p=5914608&viewfull=1#post5914608

https://i.postimg.cc/q706dLwQ/Kurta2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Jnzysz9k/Kurtablack4.jpg

When I see an indian I greet him with namaste and we bargain for a price. I meet them on markets.


Personally I think people should embrace all their ancestry. All of your ancestors, including the non-Europeans ones, are part of you. If I was mixed I'd claim it proudly. I know you are proud of all of yours.

[Mortimer]

You are Predominantly European, but they will always call you Serbian Romani because you look like one, some Romani don't look Romani even if they are more non-european shifted than you.

Bro I might easy have a roma vibe. In some pictures it is more visible then in others, and People do say I look roma but do you really think I look strictly non-white? Not all say that. Some say I do look White.

I think in this picture I look more roma then in others. Thats why albanians posted it on many forums to make fun of me and chetniks.


https://i.postimg.cc/xdB4MFBK/chetnik3.jpg

[Mortimer]

On 23andme you have a primary ethnicity and secondary all your ancestry. I stated "other" and wrote down "Romani gypsy" but I ask curious if i could have stated european or balkan if I wanted. Nothing serious or self-hating I just ask curious and for fun.


https://i.postimg.cc/d3NHQHRk/23andmesettings.jpg

[Ylla]

You look mixed but genetically pred euro.identify how you want.

[Mortimer]

your y-dna is african but your autosomal is mostly euro.

It is ultimately african but nowadays not all E is african. Mine is serb

https://i.postimg.cc/HnhBk9Pn/23andme-EV13.jpg

[Richmondbread]

You can claim Euro heritage at least.

[rein]

You’re certainly a European citizen.

[RenaRyuguu]

NOPE. You are an admix with Roma therefore you are Siddi Roma now and you should be proud!

[farke1]

I don't think it's wrong to say that you're partly European or are of European descent, but I think one should be at least 90% European autosomally before they consider themselves unmixed.

[Leto]

I don't think it's wrong to say that you're partly European or are of European descent, but I think one should be at least 90% European autosomally before they consider themselves unmixed.
A somewhat related topic
What do you feel is the minimum percentage for pride in heritage? (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?232238-What-do-you-feel-is-the-minimum-percentage-for-Pride-in-heritage&highlight=pride)

[Ayetooey]

Mixed race.

[Leto]

The Gypsies seem to be only around 1/3 South Indian or at least the G25 reference

"sample": "Roma:Average",
"fit": 0.9677,
"Greek": 55,
"Chamar": 30,
"Armenian": 15

[farke1]

A somewhat related topic
What do you feel is the minimum percentage for pride in heritage? (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?232238-What-do-you-feel-is-the-minimum-percentage-for-Pride-in-heritage&highlight=pride)
Personally, I think it's hard to assign a percentage to that. I don't agree with the hypothetical scenario posed in that thread (that for example, having 5% Celtic ancestry should invalidate or supersede the 95% Slavic in terms of importance), but I don't think there's anything weird about identifying with a culture if 5% of your DNA can be traced back to it - it's still a part of who you are. I think that stricter guidelines only really serve a purpose when talking about one's own ethnic identity - for example, I don't identify as partially French even though about 3-5% (depending on which test you want to look at) of my autosomal DNA comes from France; but I still respect the culture and I love the country and the people. I think the cutoff line for cultural identification is much more blurred than the one for ethnic identification, but many people here may disagree with that and that's fine. I think it's hard (and to some degree, pointless) to assign an absolute number to those scenarios anyway IMO.

[Voskos]

Indo-European I would say.

[gıulıoımpa]

having seen some other gypsy results , it seems you are more european than average for sure.

[Leto]

Personally, I think it's hard to assign a percentage to that. I don't agree with the hypothetical scenario posed in that thread (that for example, having 5% Celtic ancestry should invalidate or supersede the 95% Slavic in terms of importance), but I don't think there's anything weird about identifying with a culture if 5% of your DNA can be traced back to it - it's still a part of who you are. I think that stricter guidelines only really serve a purpose when talking about one's own ethnic identity - for example, I don't identify as partially French even though about 3-5% (depending on which test you want to look at) of my autosomal DNA comes from France; but I still respect the culture and I love the country and the people. I think the cutoff line for cultural identification is much more blurred than the one for ethnic identification, but many people here may disagree with that and that's fine. I think it's hard (and to some degree, pointless) to assign an absolute number to those scenarios anyway IMO.
It's indeed subjective, however I personally think anything less than a quarter (one grandparent) shouldn't really matter, 'cause we normally don't get to see our great-grandparents and even if we do, that happens at a very early age (0-5). Would you personally exclude someone who is 7/8 English and 1/8 Indian, Ethiopian or Chinese from the English nation? I'm Russian/Belarusian and to me personally 75% Russian would be enough to consider a person a full Russian for all intents and purposes. I believe even in NS Germany they didn't care if someone was 1/8 non-German genealogically.

[Annihilus]

You should really take carbs out of diet so we can see how you really look like.

[El_Abominacion]

Definitely mixed based on those results